Actually thats a good question. Those voting LnGrrr, is that reliant on him being Scum WITH shockwave? Because personaly I could see him being scum without shockwave being scum too.
Care to explain why you feel this way? Or is this another barn like your vote on Karn?
Because if you really think LnG can be scum without Shock, why do you say it's a good question?
Then he votes me for pushing shockwave because " should know these are new player tells not scum tells." I largely disagree with that statement.
Nice misrep. I asked why they were scumtells and not new player tells, and then said that you continuing to push without even expressing an interest in Shockwave's experience was scummy.
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And, how do you feel about the other multiple players voting shockwave then? Are we all scum?
Wouldn't that be convenient? But no, I don't feel that to be likely. LnGrrrR extrapolated on what you said, and although I don't agree with him, either, he's not pushing like you are. Generic might well be scum, but I'm feeling a lot of frustration toward him right now, and I'm not sure how much that's clouding my judgement. Seppel feels town, but I'm trying to figure out how he's arrived at his current stance on Shockwave.
I don't think it'll be "Pre-game cops can't exist, can it?".
The somewhat experienced would go "Ha, RVS"
The inexperienced will go "He's obviously lying, I know I'm town!"
So, yeah, I don't think it's a matter of experience here.
That reaction seems wrong for a town regardless of experience.
How experienced are you? Thinking back to my first few games, if I were town and someone came in the way Seppel did, I would've WTFLIP spittaked. I'm generally a more cautious poster, so I might've gotten to "I know you're lying, therefore you're scum," but Seppel's statement is pretty direct and weighted with what sounds like authority. I might've just posted the first response that came into my head. Shockwave seems to be more prone to posting whatever he feels at the moment (something else that tends to come from a town mindset rather than a scum mindset). I'm still not seeing his response as more scum than new.
So not only are we suggesting he has done his homework for the game, but then abandoned such intelligent thoguht to forget the most basic thing about being a mafia player (lie and say you are town)?
He cant be both a sly scum player who researches AND a stupid n00b.
I'd be surprised if a guy can go through a game without knowing what the cop and the doc are at the end of it.
That's about as basic as it can get - what, I can't even assume that a guy going into a mafia game knows what cop and doc are?
1. We're not arguing that Shockwave knows/doesn't know what a cop and doc are.
2. That last line sounds really defensive. Were you feeling attacked when you wrote this post?
Shock is clearly newb; the question is whether he's newb scum or newb town. I see both in his posts, but more town than scum in there, so I'd rather wait and see. If he is town, this is currently an easy wagon for scum to be on, so I don't think we'd get as much info as another lynch.
I don't know Karn's meta, but unless he is particularly known for being an experienced analyst, I don't see his jump on Shock as a scum tell.
Rancid Raptor has the worst vote of the game so far, and his posts haven't been very good, but I think he'll be easier to determine after a flip or two.
Not much on anyone else, though Generic and Seppel are leaning town.
I like this guy. Town mindset. I think Karn's more experienced than you think, though, so I do see his jump on Shock as a scum tell.
Screw this, I'm not about to let toms game stall like this just because a few people who signed up can't be bothered to post.
When I get a chance later I will look at the 4 worst offenders for posting and grade their meager contribution to the game.
I encourage the other 3 or 4 active players in this to do the same and if we find a mutual suspect we apply pressure with votes up to L4/L3. This game needs life, and we can always lynch sir karn day 2.
This is pretty much equivalent to policy lynching, and is a Bad Thing. As has been mentioned, why would we pursue players whom we know nothing about rather than a player who's acting scummy?
My apologies for not posting more frequently; I'll try to keep up from here on out.
Right now I feel good about fadeblue, Seppel, and storyteller. Leaning town on Shockwave and LnGrrrR. Null on Raptor and low-contributors PSR, sXe, and Rodemy. I want to reread Marvel because I don't remember Generic giving off anger vibes like he is in this game; it's possible that he's friendlier when he's scum. Still not happy with Karn pushing Shockwave on what I see as questionable reasoning, so vote on Karn stands.
@Cantrip: I don't know Karn's meta, so that's possible. The key is whether Karn has previously demonstrated that he normally discerns between scum behavior and newb behavior - if he has, then I agree that it's a scum tell.
Sorry about the wording. *shrug* As far as "campaigning" to remove votes, I don't think I did any such thing. I just said that I don't see why others are keeping their votes on Shockwave right now; it doesn't make sense to me.
Again Generic, the point of moving my vote onto Raptor was to look at other suspects. Shockwave has a big target already: if he is scum, I feel he will out himself before too long.
Re: the raptor wagon, that is why I asked what others thought of the unvote. Raptor explained his reasoning, but I wasn't convinced. And before the last few posts, Raptor hasn't posted much to go off of.
Actually thats a good question. Those voting LnGrrr, is that reliant on him being Scum WITH shockwave? Because personaly I could see him being scum without shockwave being scum too.
Care to explain why you feel this way? Or is this another barn like your vote on Karn?
Because if you really think LnG can be scum without Shock, why do you say it's a good question?
The only thing I barned this game was your question because I liked it. everything else has been my own view, regardles of how much you may not think it is.
I think its a good question because I'm not seeing the scum in shockwave at the moment. I really read him as new.
I didn't Like how LnGrrr voted Shockwave,t hen begian to give tips and advice, like he really didn't want to vote shockwave. They COULD be scum together, but I personaly don't see it at the moment.
@Cantrip: I don't know Karn's meta, so that's possible. The key is whether Karn has previously demonstrated that he normally discerns between scum behavior and newb behavior - if he has, then I agree that it's a scum tell.
...true. I guess this is the part where some research on Karn would be beneficial.
Seriously stepping outside the game box for a second: your posts in the two games I'm in have felt very...angry. Emotional. Something. I just feel a lot of hostility from you toward pretty much everyone. Like you're not having any fun. If I'm completely misreading you on this, my apologies, and please let me know. I'm just having a really hard time reading you through what I see as anger.
@Generic, the whole point of playing as scum is to look towny, correct? Shockwave made himself look scummy early; if he IS scum, then he will be much more self-conscious about his posts now (since there has already been suspicion on him). I think that town will be able to determine if he is actual scum, or just a new person flailing a bit. (Also, occasionally I say something that gets misinterpreted as scummy, when I have no clue how anyone could pick that mindset up. That could be the case here. Again, time should tell.)
Re: not returning to the Raptor argument, Raptor explained it, but it wasn't enough to sway me one way or the other. I am going to wait for more info/posts, and if Raptor says something that contradicts or changes my opinion, I will note it then.
EBWODP: @Generic, I can /barn Cantrip's statements. Not sure if you are being emotional for scumhunting, or real life, or we are misreading, so I try not to bring it up.
And Raptor answered my question post 44; that's why I asked what others thoughts of his answer.
Posts 4 through 15:
Rancid Raptor opens RVS with vote on LnGrrrR for name impossibility. Doesn't even try to spell it right.
Sir Karn votes Raptor for spelling stupidity.
Shockwave votes Phoenix Sun Rise.
Seppel claims Big Bird and pre-game cop. Votes Shockwave
Shockwave calls bluff on pre-game cop, unvotes, votes Seppel.
Storyteller Fos's Shockwave for jumping on RVS vote.
Shockwave explains reason and asks for RVS definition, claims vanilla. Next post mentions reading RVS definition. Bangs head on wall, and changes reason for vote to OGMUS.
Sir Karn notes Seppels action looking for a reaction and how Shockwave reacts. Breaks down wording of Shockwave's reasoning including usage of "believes" and how he later is defeatist. Karn votes Shockwave.
Shockwave mentions third game total.
Generic claims Snuffleupagus as Seppel's imaginary friend as big bird. Confirms claim, claims unlynchable and bulletproof, and votes Karn for idiocy.
Seppel unvotes, votes Karn and says Shockwave is town.
Posts 16 through 30:
Seppel claims Generic as town.
sXe finds it amusing that the person with the Miley Cyrus avatar (Karn) does the first scummy thing.
fadeblue asks why sXe thinks that.
LnGrrrR points out Shockwave not claiming town on pre-game cop bluff. Votes Shockwave.
Seppel notes LnGrrrR's observation.
Shockwave admits bad play on no town claim. Asks about basic roles is two abilities normal and sense behind Big Bird/Snuffleupagus mason connection.
LnGrrrR points out no cop for Seppel and unlikeliness of Snuffleupagus in game based on no characters in pre-game posts are usually in game.
Shockwave unvotes, votes Generic based on early game misplay with pre-game post asks for possibility of characters in game from pre-game posts.
Seppel finds shockwave amusing.
LnGrrrR tells Shockwave Generic was joking and he is not lynchproof/bulletproof.
Rancid Raptor unvotes, votes Karn. Then posts about sXe's possible scumminess based on Karn first scum action post without vote.
Generic claims joke with Snuffleupagus saying he never reads opening posts and it would be in his style to use an opening post character in RVS. Then asks about Shockwave's Mafia history on MTGS to help with understanding trigger happy voting and voting but asking for an example that would negate his reasoning.
Shockwave says first game here. Hasn't seen a day 2 yet. Then unvotes next post.
Post 31 through 45:
Mod Tom's Votecount: Sir Karn (3): Generic, Seppel, Rancid Raptor
Shockwave (2): Sir Karn, LnGrrrR
Seppel does inb4 storyteller replace.
Storyteller notes other inactive players (cantripmancer, Phoenix Sun Rise, and Rodemy) and low contributors (Sir Karn, sXe, and fadeblue). Then questions Karn wagon based on no one being bothered by ISO jumping on Void's first post on Deitriptychos game.
Sir Karn asks about seriousness of Generic vote on him, Seppel usual except odd jump on Karn, with possibility of fishing for reaction, and Raptor barn vote. Claims Shockwave and Raptor as bottom two.
Karn restates original arguement for Shockwave vote.
Shockwave restates mentioning of poor play on his part, asks about normal Seppel play.
Generic mentions RVS play strategy and agrees with Karn's assessment of Shockwave. Unvotes, votes Shockwave.
Seppel asks about Rancid Raptor reply, mentions goofiness is usual in town play. Unvotes votes Shockwave.
cantripmancer bemoans missing RVS period, with nice visual aid. States Seppel being Seppel, asks about storyteller Fos when he isn't voting Shockwave, mentions unusual early claim and player seppuku vs. Seppel and loving Seppel, asks about Karn's scum tells on Shockwave not being new player nulls, asks about Shockwave's history in mafia based on frustration, tries to explain to fadeblue why sXe thought Karn's play was scummy (I think...) with /barn, asks Seppel to explain feeling on not noticing "no town claim shockwave,", Bert and Earnie as possible mason pair, never noticing opening post character in game, explaination for Rancid Raptor's Karn vote, mentioning suspiciousness of not reading thread on Generic, Seppel's storyteller smear, and why Karn is pushing so hard to lynch a low expirience player. Votes Karn.
Generic mentions not caring about RVS unless flagged relevant to cantripmancer and mentions Shockwave vote.
LnGrrrR mentions being fine with taking a vote off of Shockwave who claimed and running up won't get much more, unvotes votes Rancid Raptor, asks about unexplained vote.
Seppel mentions to cantrip about a faked pre-game death in Disagea Mafia by Laharl.
Storyteller mentions validity to Seppel's replacement concerns stating a December game and mentions other site with different style of Fos usage. Agree's with Karn's no town claim position.
Rancid Raptor states possibility of new player confusion in RVS Shockwave/Seppel matter. Thinks Shockwave as new town frustrated.
Shockwave notes not sure if should link to ongoing ones.
Posts 46 through 60:
Generic warns Shockwave about mentioning ongoing games. Accepts no history for now. Expresses wish for higher player activity.
Sir Karn gets angry at cantrip for mentioning possibility of Karn being wrong with a new player. Lashes out with "are we all scum?" in regards to Shockwave wagon. Points Seppel to posts 26 & 27.
Karn feels there is a smear on Seppel coming from cantrip's "Seppel not reading game thread," post.
Seppel expresses feeling of scum cantrip based on love post.
Generic states possible disservice to Shockwave and mentions a drive to mislynch in Smalltown mafia by Sir Karn. Unvotes, votes Sir Karn.
Seppel mentions strong feelings of town Generic.
Generic claims new Seppel as favorite person.
Rancid Raptor says mafia boils down to anger, stress, and arguements while this game dares to bring in love and the number 3.
Generic counts to 12 and sings. (Why am I noting this?!)
Karn offers a counter arguement to Generic's Smalltown play mentioning OGMUS blow up scum yelling and other things. And claims Generic's vote is based on being sour from that game.
Generic defends his vote drop off of Shockwave noting lack of OGMUS vote, getting aggressive, instead holding hands up and saying he played poorly. Agrees with LnGrrrR's total n00b status belief about Shockwave. Questions Karn's knee jerk response. Then posts about Karn's mock surprise about pettiness. Restates his belief in Karn's epic mess up.
Storyteller states possible first time town mafia player scenerio. Believes town will claim town rather that go after lie. Votes Shockwave.
Sir Karn agrees with Storyteller's assessment and says he will not talk about previous game anymore. Tells Generic to get over it or replace out.
Seppel feels this could end faster than TMNT mafia. Expresses feeling of Storyteller as town and possible Karn bussing.
Will get posts 61 through 120 next. But will probably address some things I am thinking first.
@Generic, I have no problem with you playing; I would just like you to take a moment before you post to reread it before calling other people liars, dishonest etc etc. calling someone's argument a lie is fine; calling someone else a liar is a bit more harsh.
Guys, now is the time to say. If you feel i am ruining this game i will V/LA or if its making the game unfun i will do what i never normally do and replace out.
Your choice, but after seeing lngrrrrs comment added to cantrip i get the feeling im not a welcome addition to this game.
No, I absolutely do NOT want to encourage you to leave/replace out unless you're not having fun. I'll barn LnGrrrR's post (about maybe being a little less harsh with some of your responses), but primarily I don't want anyone to be playing if they're not enjoying themselves. Makes for a crappy game experience for everyone.
Also, as I said, I'm having a hard time reading you, and I don't remember these vibes from Marvel (where you were scum). Would you say that you are generally more careful with your emotions when playing as scum?
Will get posts 61 through 120 next. But will probably address some things I am thinking first.
Um...this is ok, I guess, and you obviously put a lot of time into it, but just summarizing the posts doesn't really do much, at least for me. Right now it's just a jumble of...summary...that doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know about the posters or your thoughts on their posts. What are you hoping to achieve by doing this?
Generally when someone asks for a summary of the game so far, they're asking for highlights. Something like:
• Seppel faked a pre-game cop on Shockwave, who freaked.
• Karn jumped all over Shockwave, the discussion of which led to a wagon on Karn.
• More discussion generated a wagon on Shockwave.
• Karn and Generic got into a personal spat about a previous game.
• The game stalled because of lots of lurking.
Usually players aren't asking for a full listing of everything...if they wanted that, they could just read the thread. (Actually, when *I* ask this kind of "summary" question, I'm looking for something else in addition to the summary, but I won't go into that at this time.)
I don't think it'll be "Pre-game cops can't exist, can it?".
The somewhat experienced would go "Ha, RVS"
The inexperienced will go "He's obviously lying, I know I'm town!"
So, yeah, I don't think it's a matter of experience here.
That reaction seems wrong for a town regardless of experience.
How experienced are you? Thinking back to my first few games, if I were town and someone came in the way Seppel did, I would've WTFLIP spittaked. I'm generally a more cautious poster, so I might've gotten to "I know you're lying, therefore you're scum," but Seppel's statement is pretty direct and weighted with what sounds like authority. I might've just posted the first response that came into my head. Shockwave seems to be more prone to posting whatever he feels at the moment (something else that tends to come from a town mindset rather than a scum mindset). I'm still not seeing his response as more scum than new.
Oh, hey look. Game history in sig.
Sure, maybe I can give him the benefit of the doubt for the first time around... but the fact that he can so fall for such a similar post shortly after... that just seems like he's going out of his way to show that he's a noob. I don't like that.
Also, IDK how many of you are aware, but the argument I made here is a restatement of Karn's argument in the first place - IDK why some of you seem to think this argument came from me.
I'd be surprised if a guy can go through a game without knowing what the cop and the doc are at the end of it.
That's about as basic as it can get - what, I can't even assume that a guy going into a mafia game knows what cop and doc are?
1. We're not arguing that Shockwave knows/doesn't know what a cop and doc are.
2. That last line sounds really defensive. Were you feeling attacked when you wrote this post?
So not only are we suggesting he has done his homework for the game, but then abandoned such intelligent thoguht to forget the most basic thing about being a mafia player (lie and say you are town)?
He cant be both a sly scum player who researches AND a stupid n00b.
1. This above post suggests that a player can't be intelligent enough to research a game and then be stupid enough not to claim town. However, the only research one would need for my given scenario was 1) how a general mafia game works, and 2) what cop and doc are. I don't believe either of these points require the "intelligence to research" Generic claimed to have require.
2. I don't see it as defensive. That's just my attitude when someone challenges common sense.
And why are you trying to make Seppel's joke/poke sound like he's "smearing" someone?
Why single storyteller out like that with less than 40 posts ITT and barely a day gone by? Scratch that. Not your question to answer.
@Seppel: Why single storyteller out like that with less than 40 posts ITT and barely a day gone by?
I have already answered this question for you in #43
Ah, I guess I didn't realize that was a response to Seppel's post. Why do you say his concern is "valid"?
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Oh, hey look. Game history in sig.
Oh, hey, true. My question was less "I'm interested in your experience" and more designed to make you think back to your early games.
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Sure, maybe I can give him the benefit of the doubt for the first time around... but the fact that he can so fall for such a similar post shortly after... that just seems like he's going out of his way to show that he's a noob. I don't like that.
I read it the opposite. It feels painfully obvious that he's completely unfamiliar with mafia. That's why I wanted to know if I could see his other games, as different sites have vastly different metas. But if they're in-progress, it doesn't matter, especially if his alignment is unknown in those, too.
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Also, IDK how many of you are aware, but the argument I made here is a restatement of Karn's argument in the first place - IDK why some of you seem to think this argument came from me.
Yes, but after I pushed back on Karn based on Shock being new, you approached the argument from the "look, I'm thinking like a new player" angle. That portion, I believe, is yours.
I'd be surprised if a guy can go through a game without knowing what the cop and the doc are at the end of it.
That's about as basic as it can get - what, I can't even assume that a guy going into a mafia game knows what cop and doc are?
1. We're not arguing that Shockwave knows/doesn't know what a cop and doc are.
2. That last line sounds really defensive. Were you feeling attacked when you wrote this post?
So not only are we suggesting he has done his homework for the game, but then abandoned such intelligent thoguht to forget the most basic thing about being a mafia player (lie and say you are town)?
He cant be both a sly scum player who researches AND a stupid n00b.
1. This above post suggests that a player can't be intelligent enough to research a game and then be stupid enough not to claim town. However, the only research one would need for my given scenario was 1) how a general mafia game works, and 2) what cop and doc are. I don't believe either of these points require the "intelligence to research" Generic claimed to have require.
Ok, fair enough.
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2. I don't see it as defensive. That's just my attitude when someone challenges common sense.
Specifically, it was the ownership in "what, I can't even assume that a guy going into a mafia game knows what cop and doc are?" That sounded like you were offended that you (personally) would be questioned on that.
Oh, hey, true. My question was less "I'm interested in your experience" and more designed to make you think back to your early games.
Hmmm. I guess you have a point.
There WAS one instance where I went OMGWTF, but that was in response to a guy screenshotting his role pm, so IDK if I really want to use that as a reference.
Also, IDK how many of you are aware, but the argument I made here is a restatement of Karn's argument in the first place - IDK why some of you seem to think this argument came from me.
Yes, but after I pushed back on Karn based on Shock being new, you approached the argument from the "look, I'm thinking like a new player" angle. That portion, I believe, is yours.
It isn't. I was just rephrasing Karn's argument from his first non-RVS post.
2. I don't see it as defensive. That's just my attitude when someone challenges common sense.
Specifically, it was the ownership in "what, I can't even assume that a guy going into a mafia game knows what cop and doc are?" That sounded like you were offended that you (personally) would be questioned on that.
Interesting analysis. I've never thought about it like that.
I dare say you're reading far too into it.
Also, IDK how many of you are aware, but the argument I made here is a restatement of Karn's argument in the first place - IDK why some of you seem to think this argument came from me.
Yes, but after I pushed back on Karn based on Shock being new, you approached the argument from the "look, I'm thinking like a new player" angle. That portion, I believe, is yours.
It isn't. I was just rephrasing Karn's argument from his first non-RVS post.
...On second thought, I might have added something to it, without realizing.
Nevermind then ><
Actually thats a good question. Those voting LnGrrr, is that reliant on him being Scum WITH shockwave? Because personaly I could see him being scum without shockwave being scum too.
Actually thats a good question. Those voting LnGrrr, is that reliant on him being Scum WITH shockwave? Because personaly I could see him being scum without shockwave being scum too.
Care to explain why you feel this way? Or is this another barn like your vote on Karn?
Because if you really think LnG can be scum without Shock, why do you say it's a good question?
Unvote, vote FadeBlue.
Caught you.
First question: This question is ok.
Second question: Leading and incinuating as hell.
Third question: Pointless. "Actually that's a good question." was a leading statement to show his interest in an answer.
@Cantrip: I don't know Karn's meta, so that's possible. The key is whether Karn has previously demonstrated that he normally discerns between scum behavior and newb behavior - if he has, then I agree that it's a scum tell.
No attempt to actually research this. No request for anyone to research this. Fadeblue doesn't actually care about the answer; he's just leaving his options open.
@Cantrip: I don't know Karn's meta, so that's possible. The key is whether Karn has previously demonstrated that he normally discerns between scum behavior and newb behavior - if he has, then I agree that it's a scum tell.
...true. I guess this is the part where some research on Karn would be beneficial.
Still reading the thread. Had to get some family health issues under control. If I don't post by tonight/early tomorrow, I will request a replacement because it's not fair to you guys.
A few posts up Seppel brings up how fadeblue has been acting this game. So far he(?) has been asking questions, but also trying not to get into any big wagons early.
Could be an easy misinterpretation by me, but could it be that fade is trying to lurk to a scum victory by not drawing heat?
Summary: you've constantly thrown out names as scum without backing it up, lied about your ability, pretended to ask for input regarding your "daykill," tried to discredit the people disagreeing with you, and tried to force a claim. And despite all that, you are blaming everyone else for your problems.
Is this really Iso's town game? If he really believed he had a 1-shot daykill, would he use it in this way, trying to unilaterally force a claim and then actually shoot despite heavy resistance, especially so early in the game before some players have actually checked in to the game (and he himself is V/LA)?
I still need to go over Iso's latest posts more closely (particularly the dumps) to see what else he's trying to pull.
How do you still need to go over posts after a tremendous PBPA that suggests Iso is scum but you don't drop a vote???
Then he goes on to review Megs, which turns out to just be an attack on Iso. This goes on forever. So long, in fact, that Fadeblue says this:
I've been waiting for Seppel to vote me, and I think this is actually indicative of him being town. It was clear in Amistarian that he thinks he's now an expert on my meta, despite having never played with me as town, and apparently unfamiliar with the way I hunt scum. However, knowing Seppel, this lines up exactly with how I would expect a town Seppel to react.
Rodemy looks worse to me than Shock on this wagon, since it's clear Shock's a newb. Rodemy apparently has experience, though, so his votes on Seppel and me are both terrible.
Generic's latest posts almost 100% confirm him as town, I think.
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting on sXe. I've learned to trust my gut, especially in RVS.
(Note: the one misgiving I have about Seppel is that he is trying to compare sXe here to Iso in Amistaria, which he should know is a clear misrep)
So Shockwave and LnGrrrR are buddies (good job Storyteller and Generic). Third scum tbd likely through poe.
@Generic: I've been scum before, but you have yet to play against a scum Seppel. Last time I was scum was... dear god, it was before you started playing mafia on MTGS.
Let's say Sepple is telling the truth. Very odd that he jumps on this moment to state how he has been scum only once this year..Making it adamant that we have never played scum sepple before. Classic misdirection.
Generic asking the question is just too... planned.
On top of that they BOTH claimed stupid claims in RVS....
Shockwave is also scum..
Pregame plan for scum: Bus shock from the bat so they can get mega town points and then mislynch the rest til they are dead.
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Wait... Go from how can he be scummy (me) to oh he must be the one their trying to bus in the SAME POST?!? And you don't even give a reason why other than Seppel referencing me as a scum buddy of LnGrrrR?!
What the *sound bite removed*?!
I am upgrading you to the Finger package deal, aka Fos!
How has Seppel made admant that we've never played against him as scum before?
He only made it known that Generic has never played him as scum - it doesn't apply for the rest of us.
We seem divided on Shockwave's reactions.
Have you seen my argument with regards to the noobtell vs scumtell, and if yes, what is your opinion with regards to it?
Your reasoning for Shock being scum seems really skewed.
You marked Seppel out for jumping onto Shockwave, yet you somehow managed to miss that Sir Karn was the first of the lot to do so.
And I do not believe for a second that Seppel and Shockwave are scum together.
Shockwave's first few posts do not seem planned to me.
There are much better responses he could have given while still looking scummy, rather than the rubbish we got.
Yes, it's a bit of a WIFOM, but I don't believe his responses were planned.
How has Seppel made admant that we've never played against him as scum before?
He only made it known that Generic has never played him as scum - it doesn't apply for the rest of us.
I made the extra comment because the last time I could remember being scum was Eeveeloution.
Hey Rodemy, have you read your own signature lately?
Something about LnGrrrR's mannerisms make me think he's town, despite his actual play.
I'm still not a fan of Shockwave, Cantrip, or Raptor.
Rodemy seems town (though needs to read the game).
Seppel is leaning town.
I don't have a solid read on Generic.
Fadeblue is leaning town.
I think storyteller is town.
I don't think that I have reads on the rest/can't remember much from them off the top of my head.
Revisiting this since I now have some time:
LnGrrrR's positions, while I don't agree with some or all of them, I don't see cooking with any malicious intent. More likely than not, town.
Shockwave - I have gone over on more than one occasion. Scum.
Cantrip's initial post was scummy as I detailed earlier. His followups haven't changed my mind. Scum
Raptor has opportunistically hopped on at least one wagon and didn't even provide reasons of his own. And what do you know, he leaves it once everyone else does. He has shown in other games though that this is something he does as town, so only leaning scum rather than a hard read.
Rodemy is, per usual, acting pretty radical and being obvitown.
Seppel's rvs show and following reaction baiting feels townie.
Generic has looked null to me. (Aside: My yelling at him does not automatically mean that I think he's scum. Yelling at eachother is just kind of something that always happens.) Me null reading Generic at this point in the game probably means he's town, but I want to be careful since I've been duped before (Clan).
Fadeblue is looking good throughout. Even now with pressure on him he is still calm and collected.
Storyteller - Everything he says is just town.
Sxe - no read
Phoenix - no read
I think that's everyone.
So scum are Shockwave and Cantrip - then either Raptor or one of the lurkers.
Not only did I not jump on a wagon (unless we now consider two votes a wagon), but I gave my reasons. In fact LnGrrr has been pointing it out to everyone because he wanted people to comment on it. So try reading a bit more karn.
How has Seppel made admant that we've never played against him as scum before?
He only made it known that Generic has never played him as scum - it doesn't apply for the rest of us.
We seem divided on Shockwave's reactions.
Have you seen my argument with regards to the noobtell vs scumtell, and if yes, what is your opinion with regards to it?
Your reasoning for Shock being scum seems really skewed.
You marked Seppel out for jumping onto Shockwave, yet you somehow managed to miss that Sir Karn was the first of the lot to do so.
And I do not believe for a second that Seppel and Shockwave are scum together.
Shockwave's first few posts do not seem planned to me.
There are much better responses he could have given while still looking scummy, rather than the rubbish we got.
Yes, it's a bit of a WIFOM, but I don't believe his responses were planned.
This entire post was addressed to you, Rodemy.
Would you care to respond?
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Care to explain why you feel this way? Or is this another barn like your vote on Karn?
Because if you really think LnG can be scum without Shock, why do you say it's a good question?
Nice misrep. I asked why they were scumtells and not new player tells, and then said that you continuing to push without even expressing an interest in Shockwave's experience was scummy.
Wouldn't that be convenient? But no, I don't feel that to be likely. LnGrrrR extrapolated on what you said, and although I don't agree with him, either, he's not pushing like you are. Generic might well be scum, but I'm feeling a lot of frustration toward him right now, and I'm not sure how much that's clouding my judgement. Seppel feels town, but I'm trying to figure out how he's arrived at his current stance on Shockwave.
I must be missing something. How does Disgaea have anything to do with the price of tea in China?
I see not reading the thread as a scumtell. Scum don't care enough to pay attention to the details/are too eager to skim.
Why single storyteller out like that with less than 40 posts ITT and barely a day gone by? Scratch that. Not your question to answer.
@Seppel: Why single storyteller out like that with less than 40 posts ITT and barely a day gone by?
How experienced are you? Thinking back to my first few games, if I were town and someone came in the way Seppel did, I would've WTFLIP spittaked. I'm generally a more cautious poster, so I might've gotten to "I know you're lying, therefore you're scum," but Seppel's statement is pretty direct and weighted with what sounds like authority. I might've just posted the first response that came into my head. Shockwave seems to be more prone to posting whatever he feels at the moment (something else that tends to come from a town mindset rather than a scum mindset). I'm still not seeing his response as more scum than new.
/barn
1. We're not arguing that Shockwave knows/doesn't know what a cop and doc are.
2. That last line sounds really defensive. Were you feeling attacked when you wrote this post?
I like this guy. Town mindset. I think Karn's more experienced than you think, though, so I do see his jump on Shock as a scum tell.
This is pretty much equivalent to policy lynching, and is a Bad Thing. As has been mentioned, why would we pursue players whom we know nothing about rather than a player who's acting scummy?
My apologies for not posting more frequently; I'll try to keep up from here on out.
Right now I feel good about fadeblue, Seppel, and storyteller. Leaning town on Shockwave and LnGrrrR. Null on Raptor and low-contributors PSR, sXe, and Rodemy. I want to reread Marvel because I don't remember Generic giving off anger vibes like he is in this game; it's possible that he's friendlier when he's scum. Still not happy with Karn pushing Shockwave on what I see as questionable reasoning, so vote on Karn stands.
Again Generic, the point of moving my vote onto Raptor was to look at other suspects. Shockwave has a big target already: if he is scum, I feel he will out himself before too long.
Re: the raptor wagon, that is why I asked what others thought of the unvote. Raptor explained his reasoning, but I wasn't convinced. And before the last few posts, Raptor hasn't posted much to go off of.
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The only thing I barned this game was your question because I liked it. everything else has been my own view, regardles of how much you may not think it is.
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I didn't Like how LnGrrr voted Shockwave,t hen begian to give tips and advice, like he really didn't want to vote shockwave. They COULD be scum together, but I personaly don't see it at the moment.
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...true. I guess this is the part where some research on Karn would be beneficial.
Seriously stepping outside the game box for a second: your posts in the two games I'm in have felt very...angry. Emotional. Something. I just feel a lot of hostility from you toward pretty much everyone. Like you're not having any fun. If I'm completely misreading you on this, my apologies, and please let me know. I'm just having a really hard time reading you through what I see as anger.
Re: not returning to the Raptor argument, Raptor explained it, but it wasn't enough to sway me one way or the other. I am going to wait for more info/posts, and if Raptor says something that contradicts or changes my opinion, I will note it then.
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And Raptor answered my question post 44; that's why I asked what others thoughts of his answer.
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Posts 4 through 15:
Rancid Raptor opens RVS with vote on LnGrrrR for name impossibility. Doesn't even try to spell it right.
Sir Karn votes Raptor for spelling stupidity.
Shockwave votes Phoenix Sun Rise.
Seppel claims Big Bird and pre-game cop. Votes Shockwave
Shockwave calls bluff on pre-game cop, unvotes, votes Seppel.
Storyteller Fos's Shockwave for jumping on RVS vote.
Shockwave explains reason and asks for RVS definition, claims vanilla. Next post mentions reading RVS definition. Bangs head on wall, and changes reason for vote to OGMUS.
Sir Karn notes Seppels action looking for a reaction and how Shockwave reacts. Breaks down wording of Shockwave's reasoning including usage of "believes" and how he later is defeatist. Karn votes Shockwave.
Shockwave mentions third game total.
Generic claims Snuffleupagus as Seppel's imaginary friend as big bird. Confirms claim, claims unlynchable and bulletproof, and votes Karn for idiocy.
Seppel unvotes, votes Karn and says Shockwave is town.
Posts 16 through 30:
Seppel claims Generic as town.
sXe finds it amusing that the person with the Miley Cyrus avatar (Karn) does the first scummy thing.
fadeblue asks why sXe thinks that.
LnGrrrR points out Shockwave not claiming town on pre-game cop bluff. Votes Shockwave.
Seppel notes LnGrrrR's observation.
Shockwave admits bad play on no town claim. Asks about basic roles is two abilities normal and sense behind Big Bird/Snuffleupagus mason connection.
LnGrrrR points out no cop for Seppel and unlikeliness of Snuffleupagus in game based on no characters in pre-game posts are usually in game.
Shockwave unvotes, votes Generic based on early game misplay with pre-game post asks for possibility of characters in game from pre-game posts.
Seppel finds shockwave amusing.
LnGrrrR tells Shockwave Generic was joking and he is not lynchproof/bulletproof.
Rancid Raptor unvotes, votes Karn. Then posts about sXe's possible scumminess based on Karn first scum action post without vote.
Generic claims joke with Snuffleupagus saying he never reads opening posts and it would be in his style to use an opening post character in RVS. Then asks about Shockwave's Mafia history on MTGS to help with understanding trigger happy voting and voting but asking for an example that would negate his reasoning.
Shockwave says first game here. Hasn't seen a day 2 yet. Then unvotes next post.
Post 31 through 45:
Mod Tom's Votecount: Sir Karn (3): Generic, Seppel, Rancid Raptor
Shockwave (2): Sir Karn, LnGrrrR
Seppel does inb4 storyteller replace.
Storyteller notes other inactive players (cantripmancer, Phoenix Sun Rise, and Rodemy) and low contributors (Sir Karn, sXe, and fadeblue). Then questions Karn wagon based on no one being bothered by ISO jumping on Void's first post on Deitriptychos game.
Sir Karn asks about seriousness of Generic vote on him, Seppel usual except odd jump on Karn, with possibility of fishing for reaction, and Raptor barn vote. Claims Shockwave and Raptor as bottom two.
Karn restates original arguement for Shockwave vote.
Shockwave restates mentioning of poor play on his part, asks about normal Seppel play.
Generic mentions RVS play strategy and agrees with Karn's assessment of Shockwave. Unvotes, votes Shockwave.
Seppel asks about Rancid Raptor reply, mentions goofiness is usual in town play. Unvotes votes Shockwave.
cantripmancer bemoans missing RVS period, with nice visual aid. States Seppel being Seppel, asks about storyteller Fos when he isn't voting Shockwave, mentions unusual early claim and player seppuku vs. Seppel and loving Seppel, asks about Karn's scum tells on Shockwave not being new player nulls, asks about Shockwave's history in mafia based on frustration, tries to explain to fadeblue why sXe thought Karn's play was scummy (I think...) with /barn, asks Seppel to explain feeling on not noticing "no town claim shockwave,", Bert and Earnie as possible mason pair, never noticing opening post character in game, explaination for Rancid Raptor's Karn vote, mentioning suspiciousness of not reading thread on Generic, Seppel's storyteller smear, and why Karn is pushing so hard to lynch a low expirience player. Votes Karn.
Generic mentions not caring about RVS unless flagged relevant to cantripmancer and mentions Shockwave vote.
LnGrrrR mentions being fine with taking a vote off of Shockwave who claimed and running up won't get much more, unvotes votes Rancid Raptor, asks about unexplained vote.
Seppel mentions to cantrip about a faked pre-game death in Disagea Mafia by Laharl.
Storyteller mentions validity to Seppel's replacement concerns stating a December game and mentions other site with different style of Fos usage. Agree's with Karn's no town claim position.
Rancid Raptor states possibility of new player confusion in RVS Shockwave/Seppel matter. Thinks Shockwave as new town frustrated.
Shockwave notes not sure if should link to ongoing ones.
Posts 46 through 60:
Generic warns Shockwave about mentioning ongoing games. Accepts no history for now. Expresses wish for higher player activity.
Sir Karn gets angry at cantrip for mentioning possibility of Karn being wrong with a new player. Lashes out with "are we all scum?" in regards to Shockwave wagon. Points Seppel to posts 26 & 27.
Karn feels there is a smear on Seppel coming from cantrip's "Seppel not reading game thread," post.
Seppel expresses feeling of scum cantrip based on love post.
Generic states possible disservice to Shockwave and mentions a drive to mislynch in Smalltown mafia by Sir Karn. Unvotes, votes Sir Karn.
Seppel mentions strong feelings of town Generic.
Generic claims new Seppel as favorite person.
Rancid Raptor says mafia boils down to anger, stress, and arguements while this game dares to bring in love and the number 3.
Generic counts to 12 and sings. (Why am I noting this?!)
Karn offers a counter arguement to Generic's Smalltown play mentioning OGMUS blow up scum yelling and other things. And claims Generic's vote is based on being sour from that game.
Generic defends his vote drop off of Shockwave noting lack of OGMUS vote, getting aggressive, instead holding hands up and saying he played poorly. Agrees with LnGrrrR's total n00b status belief about Shockwave. Questions Karn's knee jerk response. Then posts about Karn's mock surprise about pettiness. Restates his belief in Karn's epic mess up.
Storyteller states possible first time town mafia player scenerio. Believes town will claim town rather that go after lie. Votes Shockwave.
Sir Karn agrees with Storyteller's assessment and says he will not talk about previous game anymore. Tells Generic to get over it or replace out.
Seppel feels this could end faster than TMNT mafia. Expresses feeling of Storyteller as town and possible Karn bussing.
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No, I absolutely do NOT want to encourage you to leave/replace out unless you're not having fun. I'll barn LnGrrrR's post (about maybe being a little less harsh with some of your responses), but primarily I don't want anyone to be playing if they're not enjoying themselves. Makes for a crappy game experience for everyone.
Also, as I said, I'm having a hard time reading you, and I don't remember these vibes from Marvel (where you were scum). Would you say that you are generally more careful with your emotions when playing as scum?
Um...this is ok, I guess, and you obviously put a lot of time into it, but just summarizing the posts doesn't really do much, at least for me. Right now it's just a jumble of...summary...that doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know about the posters or your thoughts on their posts. What are you hoping to achieve by doing this?
Generally when someone asks for a summary of the game so far, they're asking for highlights. Something like:
• Seppel faked a pre-game cop on Shockwave, who freaked.
• Karn jumped all over Shockwave, the discussion of which led to a wagon on Karn.
• More discussion generated a wagon on Shockwave.
• Karn and Generic got into a personal spat about a previous game.
• The game stalled because of lots of lurking.
Usually players aren't asking for a full listing of everything...if they wanted that, they could just read the thread.
Vote Seppel
That gambit was crazy even for you.
Content will come to tomorrow. If not, then I will replace out.
I have already answered this question for you in #43
Oh, hey look. Game history in sig.
Sure, maybe I can give him the benefit of the doubt for the first time around... but the fact that he can so fall for such a similar post shortly after... that just seems like he's going out of his way to show that he's a noob. I don't like that.
Also, IDK how many of you are aware, but the argument I made here is a restatement of Karn's argument in the first place - IDK why some of you seem to think this argument came from me.
1. This above post suggests that a player can't be intelligent enough to research a game and then be stupid enough not to claim town. However, the only research one would need for my given scenario was 1) how a general mafia game works, and 2) what cop and doc are. I don't believe either of these points require the "intelligence to research" Generic claimed to have require.
2. I don't see it as defensive. That's just my attitude when someone challenges common sense.
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Scum Victory
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Scum Victory
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Scum Victory
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Town Victory
Have you read the thread/had you read it when you made this post?
Ah, I guess I didn't realize that was a response to Seppel's post. Why do you say his concern is "valid"?
Oh, hey, true. My question was less "I'm interested in your experience" and more designed to make you think back to your early games.
Yes, but after I pushed back on Karn based on Shock being new, you approached the argument from the "look, I'm thinking like a new player" angle. That portion, I believe, is yours.
Ok, fair enough.
Specifically, it was the ownership in "what, I can't even assume that a guy going into a mafia game knows what cop and doc are?" That sounded like you were offended that you (personally) would be questioned on that.
I thought that was answered in the same post.
Hmmm. I guess you have a point.
There WAS one instance where I went OMGWTF, but that was in response to a guy screenshotting his role pm, so IDK if I really want to use that as a reference.
It isn't. I was just rephrasing Karn's argument from his first non-RVS post.
Interesting analysis. I've never thought about it like that.
I dare say you're reading far too into it.
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Mini: Drury Lane Mafia
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Basic 80: Sesame Street Mafia
Town Mason, NK N1
Scum Victory
Basic 68: Mr. Potato Head Mafia
Replacing Marblez D2
Town Vanilla, Lynched Last Day (D6)
Scum Victory
Mini: Eeveelution Mafia
Town Umbreon, Modkilled D1
Scum Victory
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Town Necromancer, NK N1
Town Victory
...On second thought, I might have added something to it, without realizing.
Nevermind then ><
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Town Doctor, NK N1
Mini: Drury Lane Mafia
Replaced out D1
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Basic 80: Sesame Street Mafia
Town Mason, NK N1
Scum Victory
Basic 68: Mr. Potato Head Mafia
Replacing Marblez D2
Town Vanilla, Lynched Last Day (D6)
Scum Victory
Mini: Eeveelution Mafia
Town Umbreon, Modkilled D1
Scum Victory
Mini: Deitriptychos Mafia
Town Necromancer, NK N1
Town Victory
Does not read town Sepple and i will keep my vote on him.
Something about LnGrrrR's mannerisms make me think he's town, despite his actual play.
I'm still not a fan of Shockwave, Cantrip, or Raptor.
Rodemy seems town (though needs to read the game).
Seppel is leaning town.
I don't have a solid read on Generic.
Fadeblue is leaning town.
I think storyteller is town.
I don't think that I have reads on the rest/can't remember much from them off the top of my head.
Sure enough to lynch him. He's either scum or a troll.
Not enough people have expressed desire for his lynch. There's still two more scum.
Details plz.
Unvote, vote FadeBlue.
Caught you.
First question: This question is ok.
Second question: Leading and incinuating as hell.
Third question: Pointless. "Actually that's a good question." was a leading statement to show his interest in an answer.
Cantrip likes fadeblue as town. This alone makes him hostile to me.
What makes him town to you?
No attempt to actually research this. No request for anyone to research this. Fadeblue doesn't actually care about the answer; he's just leaving his options open.
♫ It's the circle... the circlejerk of inaction.
I'm sorry you missed RVS.
Now vote Fadeblue.
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Did he feel that things might fall apart and fingers getting pointed at voters based on a flip?
Vote:fadeblue
Oh. And if think I am scum, lynch me already.
I am sick and tired of Shock=Scum and Shock=Deadman.
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Could be an easy misinterpretation by me, but could it be that fade is trying to lurk to a scum victory by not drawing heat?
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Just look at Amistaria III.
He has no interest in scumhunting.
Fadeblue is scum and there's really little that could get me to change my vote.
Unvote
Vote Fadeblue
And who cares if they're busing? Is that going to stop you from voting someone who's obviously scum?
Rodemy looks worse to me than Shock on this wagon, since it's clear Shock's a newb. Rodemy apparently has experience, though, so his votes on Seppel and me are both terrible.
Generic's latest posts almost 100% confirm him as town, I think.
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting on sXe. I've learned to trust my gut, especially in RVS.
(Note: the one misgiving I have about Seppel is that he is trying to compare sXe here to Iso in Amistaria, which he should know is a clear misrep)
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@rod
Anything specific to get you to change your vote in the reread? Or is it based off seppel's arguement?
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Both sep and generic making crazy false claims like that, jokingly or not, throws off the game.
Sepple is off in this game. Straight out the gate he goes after Shockwave....
Shockwaves reaction was solid. I don't see how it could be scummy at all.
this however
Let's say Sepple is telling the truth. Very odd that he jumps on this moment to state how he has been scum only once this year..Making it adamant that we have never played scum sepple before. Classic misdirection.
Generic asking the question is just too... planned.
On top of that they BOTH claimed stupid claims in RVS....
Shockwave is also scum..
Pregame plan for scum: Bus shock from the bat so they can get mega town points and then mislynch the rest til they are dead.
unvote Vote Serppeloni
Okay so, i posted all that while reading...
Lynch me for that stupid mistake if you want but **** **** **** lemme catch that before it goes too far
I stated that shokewaves reaction couldn't be seen as townie.... and then in the same freaking post claimed he was scum.. STUPID STUPID STUPID
Okay so his reaction wasnt scummy at all.. yet generic and sepple are just pounding him hard...
There is no way that that was coincidence.... shockwave had to be in on it.
i stated that shockwaves reaction COULD be seen as townie,, but then called him scum.
Also, Karn and I jumped on Shockwave moreso than Generic and Seppel.
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It's like Xandir coming out to his parents!
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He only made it known that Generic has never played him as scum - it doesn't apply for the rest of us.
We seem divided on Shockwave's reactions.
Have you seen my argument with regards to the noobtell vs scumtell, and if yes, what is your opinion with regards to it?
Your reasoning for Shock being scum seems really skewed.
You marked Seppel out for jumping onto Shockwave, yet you somehow managed to miss that Sir Karn was the first of the lot to do so.
And I do not believe for a second that Seppel and Shockwave are scum together.
Shockwave's first few posts do not seem planned to me.
There are much better responses he could have given while still looking scummy, rather than the rubbish we got.
Yes, it's a bit of a WIFOM, but I don't believe his responses were planned.
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Scum Victory
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Scum Victory
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Town Necromancer, NK N1
Town Victory
I made the extra comment because the last time I could remember being scum was Eeveeloution.
Revisiting this since I now have some time:
LnGrrrR's positions, while I don't agree with some or all of them, I don't see cooking with any malicious intent. More likely than not, town.
Shockwave - I have gone over on more than one occasion. Scum.
Cantrip's initial post was scummy as I detailed earlier. His followups haven't changed my mind. Scum
Raptor has opportunistically hopped on at least one wagon and didn't even provide reasons of his own. And what do you know, he leaves it once everyone else does. He has shown in other games though that this is something he does as town, so only leaning scum rather than a hard read.
Rodemy is, per usual, acting pretty radical and being obvitown.
Seppel's rvs show and following reaction baiting feels townie.
Generic has looked null to me. (Aside: My yelling at him does not automatically mean that I think he's scum. Yelling at eachother is just kind of something that always happens.) Me null reading Generic at this point in the game probably means he's town, but I want to be careful since I've been duped before (Clan).
Fadeblue is looking good throughout. Even now with pressure on him he is still calm and collected.
Storyteller - Everything he says is just town.
Sxe - no read
Phoenix - no read
I think that's everyone.
So scum are Shockwave and Cantrip - then either Raptor or one of the lurkers.
Seriously, something is not right here.
Not only did I not jump on a wagon (unless we now consider two votes a wagon), but I gave my reasons. In fact LnGrrr has been pointing it out to everyone because he wanted people to comment on it. So try reading a bit more karn.
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This entire post was addressed to you, Rodemy.
Would you care to respond?
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Scum Victory
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Replacing Marblez D2
Town Vanilla, Lynched Last Day (D6)
Scum Victory
Mini: Eeveelution Mafia
Town Umbreon, Modkilled D1
Scum Victory
Mini: Deitriptychos Mafia
Town Necromancer, NK N1
Town Victory