@Iso 362 - "I am not suggesting Cyan+Vi turbobussing": I don't really know what else I can infer from a Cyan vote and continued accusations against me, beyond saying we're scum separately.
@Tammy 370 - "I already told you why Cyan is Town": Then we're at an impasse in re: Cyan being Town, as my response was due to me flatly disagreeing with your 316.
@Tammy 372 - "Short version of Cyouni in first game": Cyouni said things that looked really scummy and also happened to look reasonably similar to things he has posted thus far. I led a wagon on him. It kind of died because we eventually became convinced that this is actually Cyouni-Town. I turned around and disbelieved it and then rebelieved it and then disbelieved it again Day 2. He was Town.
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I don't have an inclination to unvote llamarble. Nacho 394's "This mirrors my reads list" made me die a little inside, not least of which because it suggests he doesn't have reads in the first place.
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I find his easy sheep of the Tammy coast opinion offered by DGB and echoed by me to be scummish.
Overall I currently have him as annoyingly null and not really advancing much, but slightly lean town as that is a lot of the similar weak play I decided to exploit last game.
Why, what's your take and issue with him and where would you like to see this conversation go?
My take on him is I think he's currently the best lynch, for reasons I actually described somewhat.
Well out of the people I've payed attention to anyway.
I'd like to see this conversation go:
"Llama, you are a genius and I worship at your altar, you just perfectly explained to me all the things I never understood about Iso's scumgame but now I get it and here's my vote"
I'll settle for MTGS people letting me know whether the things I mentioned are relevant indicators for Iso scum though.
I'm reluctant to make any blanket statements about Iso's scum game, because he appears to be genuinely trying to change his playstyle. If last game hadn't happened, I would be comfortable calling Iso scum here. He certainly doesn't feel like the 'town Iso' that I am used to, but that might not mean anything.
Also, was llama scum in #YOLOville and/or White Flag?
It's hard to see where your "Vi is bussing Thor and Thor is bussing Vi because bussing worked good last game!" was coming from, and you haven't done anything that strikes me as townish yet.
I don't have an inclination to unvote llamarble. Nacho 394's "This mirrors my reads list" made me die a little inside, not least of which because it suggests he doesn't have reads in the first place.
There's a bit of shifting around because I get stronger townreads than 'marble does, but "I agree with Llamarble's reads so far" certainly doesn't mean that I'm lacking in them. In fact, I feel like the picture is coming together much quicker than it did last game.
I don't have an inclination to unvote llamarble. Nacho 394's "This mirrors my reads list" made me die a little inside, not least of which because it suggests he doesn't have reads in the first place.
There's a bit of shifting around because I get stronger townreads than 'marble does, but "I agree with Llamarble's reads so far" certainly doesn't mean that I'm lacking in them. In fact, I feel like the picture is coming together much quicker than it did last game.
You do realize that llamarble's reads post agreewithable in the same way a horoscope is, right?
Also, was llama scum in #YOLOville and/or White Flag?
It's hard to see where your "Vi is bussing Thor and Thor is bussing Vi because bussing worked good last game!" was coming from, and you haven't done anything that strikes me as townish yet.
Why is it difficult to see where that comes from?
I'd like you to walk me through each of my posts and tell me how none of them seem like something a townie would say.
Busy day ahead but I'll be trying to do my reread sometime between running errands and having dinner.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
As I go back through, it occurs to me that people disagreed with my as-of-page-6 scumreads on Tammy / Nacho. Having just reached page 6 on this pass, those people are wrong and weird.
As I go back through, it occurs to me that people disagreed with my as-of-page-6 scumreads on Tammy / Nacho. Having just reached page 6 on this pass, those people are wrong and weird.
No, I think Nacho's been kind of weird. That's one reason why I want to look back.
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Going to try and sludge through this today, just extreme exhaustion from RL, and some apathy regarding this game that I can't quite explain have taken their toll.
I really don't want to replace out, especially after DYH has apparently had to request replacement, so I'll try to get invested.
It's just not good that I'm defaulting to a lazy 'Just lynch someone and I'll sort it out with flips' mindset, because that doesn't.. make today's lynch very useful.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
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My take on him is I think he's currently the best lynch, for reasons I actually described somewhat.
Well out of the people I've payed attention to anyway.
I'd like to see this conversation go:
"Llama, you are a genius and I worship at your altar, you just perfectly explained to me all the things I never understood about Iso's scumgame but now I get it and here's my vote"
I'll settle for MTGS people letting me know whether the things I mentioned are relevant indicators for Iso scum though.
You sound like you're trying to recreate your town arrogance here.
I'm reluctant to make any blanket statements about Iso's scum game, because he appears to be genuinely trying to change his playstyle. If last game hadn't happened, I would be comfortable calling Iso scum here. He certainly doesn't feel like the 'town Iso' that I am used to, but that might not mean anything.
I find the lack of you even trying highly suspect.
As I go back through, it occurs to me that people disagreed with my as-of-page-6 scumreads on Tammy / Nacho. Having just reached page 6 on this pass, those people are wrong and weird.
I can think of who's wrong and weird, and it's not "those people".
Yeah, I haven't played with scum Tammy before but I feel like this is what it should look like
Are you high or just scum? Right now I cant tell tell the difference. I'm pretty obviously town here.
You'll have to reapply to the fan club, your membership is suspended.
You could, oh I don't know, go read a scum game of mine. If you do that, I expect you to be returning here with declarations of me being queen town though.
I don't have an inclination to unvote llamarble. Nacho 394's "This mirrors my reads list" made me die a little inside, not least of which because it suggests he doesn't have reads in the first place.
There's a bit of shifting around because I get stronger townreads than 'marble does, but "I agree with Llamarble's reads so far" certainly doesn't mean that I'm lacking in them. In fact, I feel like the picture is coming together much quicker than it did last game.
You do realize that llamarble's reads post agreewithable in the same way a horoscope is, right?
I'm a fish and my mom is water!
I find early game Llamarble to be someone who needs to be given a little bit of room to do his Llamarble thing, and if I'm generally okay with the direction that he's going, I'm happy with him on Day 1. His general direction is Vi/Nacho/Tammy/Kami wagons bad Cyan/Iso wagons good and I enjoy that direction quite a bit.
Also, was llama scum in #YOLOville and/or White Flag?
It's hard to see where your "Vi is bussing Thor and Thor is bussing Vi because bussing worked good last game!" was coming from, and you haven't done anything that strikes me as townish yet.
Why is it difficult to see where that comes from?
I'd like you to walk me through each of my posts and tell me how none of them seem like something a townie would say.
Busy day ahead but I'll be trying to do my reread sometime between running errands and having dinner.
It's difficult to see where that comes from because the major "talking point" of early game was the Thor/Vi interaction and you waltz in thread and said that it was a gigantic busfest because DYH-Thor last round. It's not very often that the game gets started because the scum are pulling off a 1v1 from the get go, so usually people find one end or the other scummy instead of jumping to least expected situation first.
I'm probably not going to do what you asked me to do, but I will post something more than vague reasons later!
I'm reluctant to make any blanket statements about Iso's scum game, because he appears to be genuinely trying to change his playstyle. If last game hadn't happened, I would be comfortable calling Iso scum here. He certainly doesn't feel like the 'town Iso' that I am used to, but that might not mean anything.
I find the lack of you even trying highly suspect.
Cool story. I spent what, a week? More? Telling you that I think that Vi is scum. He got to 4 votes and somehow not only did not get lynched, he didn't even get forced to claim. So either A)he is scum and one/more of his buddies didn't want to push him or B)every scum in the game is already voting for him. And it's pretty clearly not the latter.
I also explained why Iso is likely scum in my estimation, but why I feel that is only the case if Vi is scum. I am fully convinced that neither of them is town.
Don't believe me? Good for you. Lynch me and realize afterwards that I was right.
Also, was llama scum in #YOLOville and/or White Flag?
It's hard to see where your "Vi is bussing Thor and Thor is bussing Vi because bussing worked good last game!" was coming from, and you haven't done anything that strikes me as townish yet.
Why is it difficult to see where that comes from?
I'd like you to walk me through each of my posts and tell me how none of them seem like something a townie would say.
Busy day ahead but I'll be trying to do my reread sometime between running errands and having dinner.
It's difficult to see where that comes from because the major "talking point" of early game was the Thor/Vi interaction and you waltz in thread and said that it was a gigantic busfest because DYH-Thor last round. It's not very often that the game gets started because the scum are pulling off a 1v1 from the get go, so usually people find one end or the other scummy instead of jumping to least expected situation first.
I've seen it happen before, though I can't, for the life of me, remember what game it was in. Maybe that's the alcohol speaking, though.
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I'm probably not going to do what you asked me to do, but I will post something more than vague reasons later!
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Okay so here's part of my problem. I feel like I had a gut scum read on Cyan early game that I started talking myself out of, and that's exactly what I did in yoloville where I gut scum read ces early game and talked myself out of it and waffled for days. :/
I don't even know if that makes sense. I had some wine while unpacking cuz less boring that way, but sometimes my early gut reads are right and I talk myself out of them for stupid reasons. I feel like that with Cyan.
I'm reluctant to make any blanket statements about Iso's scum game, because he appears to be genuinely trying to change his playstyle. If last game hadn't happened, I would be comfortable calling Iso scum here. He certainly doesn't feel like the 'town Iso' that I am used to, but that might not mean anything.
I find the lack of you even trying highly suspect.
Cool story. I spent what, a week? More? Telling you that I think that Vi is scum. He got to 4 votes and somehow not only did not get lynched, he didn't even get forced to claim. So either A)he is scum and one/more of his buddies didn't want to push him or B)every scum in the game is already voting for him. And it's pretty clearly not the latter.
I also explained why Iso is likely scum in my estimation, but why I feel that is only the case if Vi is scum. I am fully convinced that neither of them is town.
Don't believe me? Good for you. Lynch me and realize afterwards that I was right.
It takes 7 votes to lynch. So the most he was ever at was L-3.
[Vi] got to 4 votes and somehow not only did not get lynched, he didn't even get forced to claim. So either A)he is scum and one/more of his buddies didn't want to push him or B)every scum in the game is already voting for him.
Other than that I think Nacho is being naive. There's bad early-game llamarble and there's this game.
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It takes 7 votes to lynch. So the most he was ever at was L-3.
Shhhh. Cyan exists on a plane beyond even the mathematics that hold the known universe together.
That doesn't change the point I was trying to make, which is that town wagons don't get that far and stall, in my estimation.
They kind of do, actually. Especially when one or two scum are doing their own thing and/or think that the Town wagon in question is too stupid to have on their hands and/or aren't posting to start with.
For instance, I would nail llamarble to the wall if he ever voted me in this game, and I think he's cognizant of that.
For instance, I would nail llamarble to the wall if he ever voted me in this game, and I think he's cognizant of that.
It would be a good idea to do so anyway since his description of "meh" doesn't actually say whether it's a good wagon or not (contrast "I hereby declare that Cyouni is not for lynching!" in the previous game).
I am relatively sure that Iso is one of his partners. I have no idea who the other is.
And why would I need to find OTHER scum, when I feel that I have already found one? I could be wrong about him, meaning that I would be looking for non-existent partners. I don't see the sense in that.
And in the first game, town wagons on day one had zero trouble reaching a point where people had to claim. It happened three times before we finally lynched that other guy(I can't remember his name now) correctly as scum.
So forgive my skepticism if I can't get a single wagon to that point in this game, especially considering that a forceful person like Thor, whom seems extremely likely to be town, is also involved. Vi's wagon should have reached a legitimate resolution by now. I mean, you know Thor better than me. He seems like a player that should garner respect. If you think he is town, why aren't you listening to what he has to say?
I really just don't get how anyone sees his behavior as town. The 'olive branch' that he offered me reeks of scum motivation in my mind, and his reaction to my voting him for it is laughably bad. I am honestly mystified that anyone could disagree. His overall play this game is just so radically different than last game that I don't see what conclusion one could come to other than 'he is scum'.
Oh right, on ms they claim at L-1 for whatever nonsense illogical reason.
We actually do that for the same illogical reason you chose L-2. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and both are mildly arbitrary on why we chose one over the other.
This is how bored I am with this game right now.
Could some people vote Vi or give me a super exciting counter wagon that I can at least pretend to get excited by?
It is radically harder to get a scum to L-1 than it is L-2, while it is no more difficult to get a townie to that point. It is literally just a flat disadvantage. And there MUST be times where someone gets accidentally lynched the way you do things. We never have that happen.
Regardless, this part of the conversation is completely unimportant right now.
I would say that since Vi said "I'm sure there's a reason for that and it doesn't hold water," that he was accepting there was a reason. Vi is also smart and has been playing this awhile; I'm going to be the had a pretty good idea for the reason for the vote. He then basically said I'm town, get your vote off of me. That's not stonewalling or even suggesting he wouldn't want to work together. He didn't start beating cyan upside the head with a cane declaring blasphemy! He's not even calling him scum now, and has explained his position, and is actively trying to read him going so far as to say he's torn. I'd say in the realm of who is being cooperative, he's sticking with his original intentions, and he just seems baffled about the turn of events. Actually I think my Vi read has just gotten stronger.
I'll hold my comment until I make sure on things, but I feel like your analysis of Vi is incorrect.
As to your second comment. No I think you can and should question whatever you want. I never said that you shouldn't. My problem was that the 'explain' type questions look like busywork alone. There were none of your own thoughts there, and those type questions are super easy to fake as scum. I know you say asking the questions shows your thoughts but they actually don't, especially when 'explain' doesn't demonstrate why you're asking. I feel like we're talking in circles here about this.
And I feel like I don't know what any of your reads are.
The people I'm least enthused by are llamarble, Vi, and dC, all for completely different reasons.
I'm not sure why Thor went to such a degree to avoid answering a certain question, but considering how I have a town read on him aside from that, I'm guessing he's just being irritating.
I'm not sure what to think of the most recent DYH post (the one before the replacement notice), but since he's replaced out, I'm going to hold off till the replacement.
For some reason, I'm drawing a complete blank on Kami and Voxx. The latter makes sense, but not the former.
This is how bored I am with this game right now.
Could some people vote Vi or give me a super exciting counter wagon that I can at least pretend to get excited by?
I'm considering llamarble, but I'm wary given I was wrong about him before.
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@Iso 362 - "I am not suggesting Cyan+Vi turbobussing": I don't really know what else I can infer from a Cyan vote and continued accusations against me, beyond saying we're scum separately.
@Tammy 370 - "I already told you why Cyan is Town": Then we're at an impasse in re: Cyan being Town, as my response was due to me flatly disagreeing with your 316.
@Tammy 372 - "Short version of Cyouni in first game": Cyouni said things that looked really scummy and also happened to look reasonably similar to things he has posted thus far. I led a wagon on him. It kind of died because we eventually became convinced that this is actually Cyouni-Town. I turned around and disbelieved it and then rebelieved it and then disbelieved it again Day 2. He was Town.
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I don't have an inclination to unvote llamarble. Nacho 394's "This mirrors my reads list" made me die a little inside, not least of which because it suggests he doesn't have reads in the first place.
I do need to reread the game this weekend though and hash out some of my reads now that I'm feeling a bit more settled.
Apologies for inconvenience.
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Then we can move onto the next kitten.
I find his combined Vi/Thor push townish.
I find his easy sheep of the Tammy coast opinion offered by DGB and echoed by me to be scummish.
Overall I currently have him as annoyingly null and not really advancing much, but slightly lean town as that is a lot of the similar weak play I decided to exploit last game.
Why, what's your take and issue with him and where would you like to see this conversation go?
Well out of the people I've payed attention to anyway.
I'd like to see this conversation go:
"Llama, you are a genius and I worship at your altar, you just perfectly explained to me all the things I never understood about Iso's scumgame but now I get it and here's my vote"
I'll settle for MTGS people letting me know whether the things I mentioned are relevant indicators for Iso scum though.
YES
It's hard to see where your "Vi is bussing Thor and Thor is bussing Vi because bussing worked good last game!" was coming from, and you haven't done anything that strikes me as townish yet.
There's a bit of shifting around because I get stronger townreads than 'marble does, but "I agree with Llamarble's reads so far" certainly doesn't mean that I'm lacking in them. In fact, I feel like the picture is coming together much quicker than it did last game.
Why is it difficult to see where that comes from?
I'd like you to walk me through each of my posts and tell me how none of them seem like something a townie would say.
Busy day ahead but I'll be trying to do my reread sometime between running errands and having dinner.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Let's put someone at L-1 and force a claim, I think we need some new stuff to debate.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The word is already overused, but that's an unusual fail level.
Okay, just mail be 12 easy payments of $49.95 every month and I'll make sure you get your subscription.
No, I think Nacho's been kind of weird. That's one reason why I want to look back.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Going to try and sludge through this today, just extreme exhaustion from RL, and some apathy regarding this game that I can't quite explain have taken their toll.
I really don't want to replace out, especially after DYH has apparently had to request replacement, so I'll try to get invested.
It's just not good that I'm defaulting to a lazy 'Just lynch someone and I'll sort it out with flips' mindset, because that doesn't.. make today's lynch very useful.
Regarding?
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I originally thought that was scummy, and then I decided he had to be joking, so it became null.
You sound like you're trying to recreate your town arrogance here.
I find the lack of you even trying highly suspect.
I'd prefer Cham or marble.
I can think of who's wrong and weird, and it's not "those people".
That ones you darlin.
Are you high or just scum? Right now I cant tell tell the difference. I'm pretty obviously town here.
You'll have to reapply to the fan club, your membership is suspended.
You could, oh I don't know, go read a scum game of mine. If you do that, I expect you to be returning here with declarations of me being queen town though.
Sorry for the spam. This should read cyan though...stupid autocorrect.
I hope to get the game reread tonight, might not be completed before tomorrow though.
I'm a fish and my mom is water!
I find early game Llamarble to be someone who needs to be given a little bit of room to do his Llamarble thing, and if I'm generally okay with the direction that he's going, I'm happy with him on Day 1. His general direction is Vi/Nacho/Tammy/Kami wagons bad Cyan/Iso wagons good and I enjoy that direction quite a bit.
It's difficult to see where that comes from because the major "talking point" of early game was the Thor/Vi interaction and you waltz in thread and said that it was a gigantic busfest because DYH-Thor last round. It's not very often that the game gets started because the scum are pulling off a 1v1 from the get go, so usually people find one end or the other scummy instead of jumping to least expected situation first.
I'm probably not going to do what you asked me to do, but I will post something more than vague reasons later!
What do you think of Cyan?
Cool story. I spent what, a week? More? Telling you that I think that Vi is scum. He got to 4 votes and somehow not only did not get lynched, he didn't even get forced to claim. So either A)he is scum and one/more of his buddies didn't want to push him or B)every scum in the game is already voting for him. And it's pretty clearly not the latter.
I also explained why Iso is likely scum in my estimation, but why I feel that is only the case if Vi is scum. I am fully convinced that neither of them is town.
Don't believe me? Good for you. Lynch me and realize afterwards that I was right.
Townish null.
I think you've asked me this before.
I'm fine with a Cyan claim, as well!
I've seen it happen before, though I can't, for the life of me, remember what game it was in. Maybe that's the alcohol speaking, though.
That would be appreciated.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I don't even know if that makes sense. I had some wine while unpacking cuz less boring that way, but sometimes my early gut reads are right and I talk myself out of them for stupid reasons. I feel like that with Cyan.
It takes 7 votes to lynch. So the most he was ever at was L-3.
Oh right, on ms they claim at L-1 for whatever nonsense illogical reason.
That doesn't change the point I was trying to make, which is that town wagons don't get that far and stall, in my estimation.
Other than that I think Nacho is being naive. There's bad early-game llamarble and there's this game.
Shhhh. Cyan exists on a plane beyond even the mathematics that hold the known universe together.
For instance, I would nail llamarble to the wall if he ever voted me in this game, and I think he's cognizant of that.
I've seen town wagons not get into claim range and stall a lot.
But, here's my problem. You're convinced Vi is scum right? Why aren't you trying to find his partners right now?
And why would I need to find OTHER scum, when I feel that I have already found one? I could be wrong about him, meaning that I would be looking for non-existent partners. I don't see the sense in that.
And in the first game, town wagons on day one had zero trouble reaching a point where people had to claim. It happened three times before we finally lynched that other guy(I can't remember his name now) correctly as scum.
So forgive my skepticism if I can't get a single wagon to that point in this game, especially considering that a forceful person like Thor, whom seems extremely likely to be town, is also involved. Vi's wagon should have reached a legitimate resolution by now. I mean, you know Thor better than me. He seems like a player that should garner respect. If you think he is town, why aren't you listening to what he has to say?
I really just don't get how anyone sees his behavior as town. The 'olive branch' that he offered me reeks of scum motivation in my mind, and his reaction to my voting him for it is laughably bad. I am honestly mystified that anyone could disagree. His overall play this game is just so radically different than last game that I don't see what conclusion one could come to other than 'he is scum'.
We actually do that for the same illogical reason you chose L-2. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and both are mildly arbitrary on why we chose one over the other.
This is how bored I am with this game right now.
Could some people vote Vi or give me a super exciting counter wagon that I can at least pretend to get excited by?
Regardless, this part of the conversation is completely unimportant right now.
On a slightly different note, I'd like to know how your autocorrect turns Cyan into Cham, given Cyan's an actual word.
I'll hold my comment until I make sure on things, but I feel like your analysis of Vi is incorrect.
The people I'm least enthused by are llamarble, Vi, and dC, all for completely different reasons.
I'm not sure why Thor went to such a degree to avoid answering a certain question, but considering how I have a town read on him aside from that, I'm guessing he's just being irritating.
I'm not sure what to think of the most recent DYH post (the one before the replacement notice), but since he's replaced out, I'm going to hold off till the replacement.
For some reason, I'm drawing a complete blank on Kami and Voxx. The latter makes sense, but not the former.
Everyone else is varying shades of town.
Wow, that's perhaps the biggest twist of a sentence I've ever seen.
I'm considering llamarble, but I'm wary given I was wrong about him before.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This wagon has my vote.
And my sword.
And my axe.