Didn't make the reread this weekend, too many parties
BV - I thought ria was making more sense than KK when they were arguing towards the end of the last Day, but it was getting pretty nitpicky and wordy and I didn't follow it that closely. My biggest reservation is that he does seem to be coming to wagons pretty late. I'd have to check back to MM6 for his voting pattern as town, but I think he feels the same as he did then - cautious, but tearing into people once he has a good suspect.
tl;dr - Gut says town.
And I'm not saying they can't be scum, but the way ria wrote that reread was not townie. He gave everyone town points exclusively except for the scumspects he pulled from it and the moment someone got scum points for anything, scum points were all they got for the rest of his posts, no matter the contortions he had to do to make them fit.
What a load of rubbish. My points on kaburi don't align with what you're claiming. Instead of making **** up, why don't you point out those contortions or quote some posts. . . oh, because every time you do, it doesn't match what you're selling.
And you say only negative about him for the remainder of your reread.
I also quoted one contortion and presented an important fact you ignored that just so happens to make your reads look weaker, but rather than address what I talked about, you accuse me of not quoting anything and making things up.
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He gave everyone town points exclusively except for the scumspects he pulled from it
This is in direct contradiction to what you've just pointed out.
As for ignoring your example, this?
"He also ignored points that could make these players not scum, such as how I was the first to call BV scum by a wide margin, yet I'm 100% scum in his opinion. "
I never stated you were 100% scum, what is your deal with putting words in people mouths? Townies don't need to misrepresent the thread. I am confident you are scum, I've put a lot of effort to show why I think that. There is no need to overstate it like I am face-humping or claiming to be infallible. I'm not Iso.
& yes, when I did that re-read, I didn't look at you very hard – the whole point was so I could get a better look at other players. & you were super-lazy in your 'push' on BV. You kept tossing him out there, so you could point & say 'look, I pushed on BV!'. . . but you never actually push on BV. I'm happy as to discuss that, & I'm pretty sure I've brought it up already.
BV: That seems to be your only post so far today. Do you have any of your own content? Reads, analysis, etc?
EWP: Same questions to kaburi, actually, now that I look back over the day.
Sorry, I just noticed this was directed at me too. I've honestly not looked at the game in any kind of depth toDay, and I kind of tuned out of most of the post Void-fession discussion between KK and ria.
I don't think anything I can say at this point will count as "my own content", because as others have been pointing out repeatedly I'm incapable of having original thoughts the things I'm mulling over right now have been mentioned by others, but I'll give it a shot:
KK looks bad. Barning Void so hard yesterday, and staying on the bad Teia case so long and so aggressively was a huge red flag. My reservation here is the post-Void-fession stuff with him and ria (and later between ria and BV) made ria look Void-esque to me. A lot of the same issues I had with Void's posts (minus the condescension) I see in ria's posts. And, as with Void, I don't have enough self-confidence to know if that's a legit scum read or just me seeing scum in that particular posting style.
This poses a problem to me because I don't see KK and ria both being scum, so either ria's trying to use his voodoo debate skills to make KK dig a deeper hole and wind up as today's mislynch, or KK's actual scum and I'm being blinded by my emotions because of ria's posting style. I also don't know how much of my "read" on ria is OMGUS.
I've got to head up to the lab, and I'm going to be tied up for the rest of the day (and probably tonight too) with work, but I'll try to have more useful contributions Wednesday or so.
kaburi, can you elaborate on what specifically you see in ria's posts that reminds you of Void? Void really tipped me (and you, I think) off with his elaborate but baseless case on Teia. I don't think pushing KK is baseless, but if there are specific points of ria's that you think are stretching or something like that, let us know.
He gave everyone town points exclusively except for the scumspects he pulled from it
This is in direct contradiction to what you've just pointed out.
Read that more carefully, it's saying everyone you didn't call out as scum as the result of your reread got entirely town points. There are plenty of sketchy moments for everyone, because no one's a perfect townie. I could understand if you're just crossing people off the list of probable suspects such as Wheat and Teia, but then why did you bring these people up when they did something townie? This part of your reread is buddying.
It does not have to do with anyone you gave scum points.
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As for ignoring your example, this?
"He also ignored points that could make these players not scum, such as how I was the first to call BV scum by a wide margin, yet I'm 100% scum in his opinion. "
I never stated you were 100% scum, what is your deal with putting words in people mouths? Townies don't need to misrepresent the thread. I am confident you are scum, I've put a lot of effort to show why I think that. There is no need to overstate it like I am face-humping or claiming to be infallible. I'm not Iso.
& yes, when I did that re-read, I didn't look at you very hard – the whole point was so I could get a better look at other players. & you were super-lazy in your 'push' on BV. You kept tossing him out there, so you could point & say 'look, I pushed on BV!'. . . but you never actually push on BV. I'm happy as to discuss that, & I'm pretty sure I've brought it up already.
Hello Mr. Strawman. That wasn't a point about proving I'm town, it was about how you ignored something that goes against BV being scum with me, if only a little bit. A town-minded reread would at least mention something like this and what reasonings could be pulled from it, but you just flat out ignore it.
You also still haven't answered where I quoted you assigning scum points to BV with a giant logic reach. Despite you falsely saying I quoted nothing, and getting called on it.
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kaburi, can you elaborate on what specifically you see in ria's posts that reminds you of Void? Void really tipped me (and you, I think) off with his elaborate but baseless case on Teia. I don't think pushing KK is baseless, but if there are specific points of ria's that you think are stretching or something like that, let us know.
I haven't read ria's stuff in depth to look for that sort of thing yet. I can't think of a less offensive way of saying this, so apologies to ria :hi::
There's an air of smugness and self-satisfaction, with just that added dash of superiority, that I get from ria's posts that puts me on tilt.
I think it's just a stylistic thing, which is what I thought my problem was with Void was ...until I took a closer look and realized that while Void was being smug and superior and kind of an ass, he was trying to trip Teia up in minutae because his case on her was so bad. I don't have time today to dig out the specific post # (I only have a brief break before I have to start more stuff in the lab) but I'm talking in particular about the post where Void told Teia "maybe you should actually read the definitions of the terminology in our forum". (Emphasis mine, heavily paraphrased.)
That post was really where he started down the road of "this is what calling someone scum is", which prompted my post that ria's taking such issue with where I said "hey, somethings off about you, but I'm not making a formal accusation because it could just be that you've really pissed me off by pushing my biggest rage button*".
I'm seeing the same thing with the end-of-yesteDay back and forth between ria and KK. It's a lot of focusing on minutae, trying rhetorical tricks to trip him up, etc. My eyes glazed over on those walls of text, so I haven't done any sort of deep analysis of them to see if there's something I'm missing.
I did reread the point where KK turns on Void (posts 591-595). I don't see that exchange as being bussing a scumbuddy. KK could have easily just sat back and let Void's claim implode on its own; instead, he chose to explicitly start dismantling Void's claim: "You're claiming the wrong words and sticking to them."
At that point, only Jay had caught that Void was using the wrong terminology. KK started probing there, Wheat and Teia picked up the thread, and by the time I got home from dinner the whole claim had collapsed in on itself. KK's reaction doesn't read as him needing to distance/bus Void because of the timing--he could had sat back, let the rest of us realize what Jay's saying, and then gone "oh, if Void's scum then his case is probably bad, so I should back off". Could it actually be a scum move to score town points by immediately turning on his buddy at the first sign of a slipup? Sure, of course, but there lies the way of WIFOM.
Looking back over the KK/ria exchanges with the assumption of town!KK makes it look like KK got caught up in a bad case, waited too long to back off, and now scum!ria's taking advantage of KK's misstep to push a mislynch wagon by keeping KK talking and getting him to just dig a deeper hole himself.
I don't know if if believe that. In my mind right now, there's a binary: either KK's scum, or ria is. I don't think they're both scum, and I think at least one of them is. I just don't know which is which any more.
I do think ria's stretching/misrepresenting my posts in his PBP analysis to give me scum points, but I'm 65% sure that's just me OMGUSing and not an actual scum read.
*My biggest rage button being people who act like/say they are my superior and/or belittle anyone. I do not tolerate being talked down to (or seeing others talked down to) very well at all.
Excellent, run and hide after failing to come up with any decent responses re: your scummy reread.
Everyone: make sure you understand the exchange ria and I just had.
*Snip* I just said I'm time poor, I'll respond to your garbage, as I have repeatedly, when I have more than a minute to sit down. Just because I don't constantly say "gee, I have IRL responsibilities, V/LA 48 hours" doesn't mean I'm not going to respond to you. Get a grip – this kind of smug post ignoring that I have a real life makes it miserable to participate in this game.
@kaburi – repeatedly people have said Jay was the first person to point it out, when *I* was.
& I can't have an exchange with KK without you saying I'm just letting him hang himself, & I can't excuse myself from bobmarding the thread with more of the same, I can't point out posts that give me a town read on someone. . . I guess I'll eat worms?
Just a heads up Megs – if the site moves over to the new build, I will need to be replaced.
Excellent, run and hide after failing to come up with any decent responses re: your scummy reread.
Everyone: make sure you understand the exchange ria and I just had.
**** you guy. I just said I'm time poor, I'll respond to your garbage, as I have repeatedly, when I have more than a minute to sit down. Just because I don't constantly say "gee, I have IRL responsibilities, V/LA 48 hours" doesn't mean I'm not going to respond to you. Get a grip – this kind of smug post ignoring that I have a real life makes it miserable to participate in this game.
@kaburi – repeatedly people have said Jay was the first person to point it out, when *I* was.
& I can't have an exchange with KK without you saying I'm just letting him hang himself, & I can't excuse myself from bobmarding the thread with more of the same, I can't point out posts that give me a town read on someone. . . I guess I'll eat worms?
Just a heads up Megs – if the site moves over to the new build, I will need to be replaced.
First off, let me apologize for offending you. Not my intention at all. This is just a game, after all.
Second of all, yowza.
Third of all, what the hell just happened? That seems like a disproportionately angry respone to my post. I just threw out a hypothetical "if KK's town here's my read". Hypothetical being the operative word. It must have struck a nerve...so maybe it's not as hypothetical as I thought.
I did reread the point where KK turns on Void (posts 591-595). I don't see that exchange as being bussing a scumbuddy. KK could have easily just sat back and let Void's claim implode on its own; instead, he chose to explicitly start dismantling Void's claim: "You're claiming the wrong words and sticking to them."
The thing is how sudden it was compared to how stalwartly he declared me scum. It seems artificial to have someone so ingrained and strident in his reads suddenly go after the guy he was barning.
Looking back over the KK/ria exchanges with the assumption of town!KK makes it look like KK got caught up in a bad case, waited too long to back off, and now scum!ria's taking advantage of KK's misstep to push a mislynch wagon by keeping KK talking and getting him to just dig a deeper hole himself.
I'm getting the feeling that ria and KK aren't on the same team here. I still think KK is the better lynch for today, but if he flips town, that's +scum for ria in my eyes. What's getting me here is that KK's case on me was just so bad and so vehement that it overpowers ria's sometimes-questionable analysis in my mind. At the same time, I can't say for certain that I'm overcoming the obvious OMGUS in such a position since I was the person Void and KK went after.
That explosion of ria's seems to be in line with his behaviour in MM6, where he was town. I think it's a fairly null tell all around, since that seems to be more a facet of his personality rather than anything else.
So you're just hopping on the wagon, then? No real case of your own? Your content lately's been very light. You said "He's been throwing up red flags for me" while agreeing with what GM wrote, but there isn't much in the ways of original content coming from you. Feels like you're active lurking here.
I apologize for losing my cool earlier. KK put me on tilt repeating his 'never responded to my post!' cry when I'm doing the best I can.
I'm Tyranitar.
My ability is Sand Stream, which does nothing.
My move is Pursuit, which is single shot but lets me track a player over consecutive nights as long as they don't die. N1 I chose Teia. I'll claim her targets if she wants me to.
You'll notice I actually V/LA'ed. Nice try though.
I'll be posting more content tonight (real life tonight, not game Tonight).
Being V/LA is not an excuse to put someone to claim range without giving your reasoning. You had enough time to post, so you had enough time to explain why as well.
You also get overly defensive here, saying nice try to Teia as if she's throwing mud at you.
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You'll notice I actually V/LA'ed. Nice try though.
I'll be posting more content tonight (real life tonight, not game Tonight).
Being V/LA is one thing. Being V/LA, generally short on content even before that, and then voting someone to claim range is trying to have your cake and eat it too. Plus there's the fact that you said you "don't even need to do a reread." Would you mind explaining what you meant with that?
My move is Pursuit, which is single shot but lets me track a player over consecutive nights as long as they don't die. N1 I chose Teia. I'll claim her targets if she wants me to.
I'm getting the feeling that ria and KK aren't on the same team here. I still think KK is the better lynch for today, but if he flips town, that's +scum for ria in my eyes. What's getting me here is that KK's case on me was just so bad and so vehement that it overpowers ria's sometimes-questionable analysis in my mind. At the same time, I can't say for certain that I'm overcoming the obvious OMGUS in such a position since I was the person Void and KK went after.
That explosion of ria's seems to be in line with his behaviour in MM6, where he was town. I think it's a fairly null tell all around, since that seems to be more a facet of his personality rather than anything else.
I agree that they're likely not on the same team, but like I said I'm not solid on who is who right now.
I do find in interesting that KK claimed VT and ria didn't. So far, have we actually seen a true VT? Everyone's had something, right? EWP: Wait, Arcadic was true vanilla.
I'll be interested to see if ria's claim checks out.
Where? All I've found is you calling Jay's suspicion of Void's claim 'setup speculation' (536), which is obviously pointing out his incorrect terminology. Jay on the other hand picked up on his incorrect terminology but didn't realize the significance of it, or at least didn't mention it (586).
The more I look at it, that 'Eh, setup speculation' comment seems like a subtle attempt at trying to cover your scumbuddies false claim.
Jay doesn't differentiate between abilities & moves in the post you link, & I don't think he's making any difference there. Immediately after that I post this;
Eh, setup speculation. I can't say I've seen a game like this. Maybe Islander Mafia, I'd have to dig it up. There are a lot of games in this sub I haven't read, though.
Void, do you have an ability in addition to your moves?
You read the Eh line, you didn't see the question directed at Void?
Single shot, 1pp. I was going to track Iso, but then Wheat threatened to kill him. I thought of tracking Wheat, but felt that if he was legit, he might draw the NK, or if there was a 'real' vig, he might still end up dead. So I went with Teia, based on basically the same reason I early-wagoned her in MM6 – she's tough to get a read on, & a formidable player.
First off, let me apologize for offending you. Not my intention at all. This is just a game, after all.
No, my bad. Long days & early mornings means I let my irritation at KK get out. I only skimmed your post & the line I paraphrased jumped out at me like a fish slap to the face. I can't stand the presumption he's thrown around that if someone doesn't respond immediately they're avoiding the conversation, & aside from the glazed eyes that our kind of back & forth causes, it also means I don't have time to do anything else while I'm here, meaning my main scum candidate is succeeding at preventing me from otherwise engaging with the game.
At least there is the payoff of BV's blatent target of opportunity vote.
He gave everyone town points exclusively except for the scumspects he pulled from it
This is in direct contradiction to what you've just pointed out.
Read that more carefully, it's saying everyone you didn't call out as scum as the result of your reread got entirely town points. There are plenty of sketchy moments for everyone, because no one's a perfect townie. I could understand if you're just crossing people off the list of probable suspects such as Wheat and Teia, but then why did you bring these people up when they did something townie? This part of your reread is buddying.
It does not have to do with anyone you gave scum points.
I don't follow your logic here. If I saw posts that interacted with things I already had in my notes, I followed up on it. If I saw things that were questionable behaviors, I noted it. If I saw a strong town behavior, I noted it. If Teia or G_M or Jay posted "plenty of sketchy moments", I didn't see them, & this just seems like you're blanketing my re-read as suspect without analyzing the content, ending with you characterizing my scumspects as easy targets;
I do find in interesting that KK claimed VT and ria didn't. So far, have we actually seen a true VT? Everyone's had something, right? EWP: Wait, Arcadic was true vanilla.
In light of your EWP, is KK claiming VT and ria not claiming VT still interesting? If so, why?
Hopping on to the wagon? You'll notice I've been questioning him since the endofYesterday. If I'd just voted ria with no prior involvement then sure, but you're misrepresenting the situation here.
Questioning him and being on his wagon are two different things. You voted for ria without providing any explanation only a scant few posts after kaburi did, and you still did it after providing relatively little content today. This is why it seems like you leapt right on his wagon, irrespective of previous days' content.
As for 'don't even need to do a reread' - ria's massive explosion and the way he appears to have tried to dodge KK's questioning in 747 is not at all indicative of a town mindset, and that's only from two recent posts. That was what I meant. You'll also notice I said that I was going to do a reread, but you missed that bit out and once again misrepresented the situation.
No, I didn't misrepresent anything. Your vote was not contingent upon the reread you mentioned you'd do. You contributed little content today, went V/LA, then hopped back to vote ria without providing much in the ways of reasoning. Further rereads are separate from this sequence of events.
I don't follow your logic here. If I saw posts that interacted with things I already had in my notes, I followed up on it. If I saw things that were questionable behaviors, I noted it. If I saw a strong town behavior, I noted it. If Teia or G_M or Jay posted "plenty of sketchy moments", I didn't see them, & this just seems like you're blanketing my re-read as suspect without analyzing the content, ending with you characterizing my scumspects as easy targets;
That's what you say. I say I think you're lying. There are plenty of questionable moves done by everyone if you're looking BECAUSE NO ONE IS PERFECT (if you continue to plead ignorance of this fact, I'll be happy to find examples, except for Teia, because I already had examples of her acting scummy when I cased her), but you ignore any of that when it comes to the people you want to say are town.
And when are you going to respond to the fact that you ignore anything that gets in the way of your scum reads and your terrible stretch in calling something scummy I quoted?
I was only mentioning myself as one of your scumspects as of your reread, at which time I was the popular wagon. Why are you ignoring everything else in my posts to zero in on this one phrase and add meaning to it that wasn't in the original post? I wouldn't mind this over-reaction if you were actually responding to any of my main points, but that you chose focus on this rather than my actual arguments is more scumminess added to your record.
Need GM and Wheat to weigh in on ria now.
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posting style - fits the town ria I have played with twice, but I don't recall ever playing with him as scum
claim - was somewhat risky but I don't think it's that hard to guess that Teia is vanilla/doesn't have a targeting ability and say that she hasn't targeted anyone. Pretty much a wash.
only finding scummy points against certain people - is this the main argument against him? I haven't had time to verify it independently, but I don't feel this is conclusive evidence of scum. I guess town should be more open-minded, but if you have some suspects when you go into a reread, you are probably more likely to notice things that they did wrong than right.
I'm not going to lynch a dude just because he showed confirmation bias. If there is more to this case, let me know before I start to look back (hopefully Sunday).
Mostly just avoiding prods until I can get back to this game (which is essentially after I read two entire games)
But because that might not be for a few more days:
I approve of the pressure on ria because I think the gamestate is one of two ways. One way is that KK was scum with Void, in which case either Ria or BV is scum with them (and I think it's ria).
But if KK was town (and the more I think about KK's readiness to agree with Void, I sort of doubt he would've been Void's scumbuddy), then things are odd but I think parse-able. This is what I've been wanting to look back at, but I think Ria is scum with either Gerrard's Mom, Teia, or BV. I'm not sure which.
Ria could easily have the same info from being rolecop, but tracker is risky to claim.
That was what my thoughts were as I thought about this game during my absence. I need to look back because the game might have changed and certainly to figure out who ria's scumbuddy would be, but that's my current thinking.
I do find in interesting that KK claimed VT and ria didn't. So far, have we actually seen a true VT? Everyone's had something, right? EWP: Wait, Arcadic was true vanilla.
In light of your EWP, is KK claiming VT and ria not claiming VT still interesting? If so, why?
Only mildly. I meant to grab that whole line in the strikethrough. I could have just deleted that whole paragraph, but since the biggest criticism I get is that I don't contribute original thoughts, I wanted to make it clear I was actually thinking things.
I mean, I do think it's interesting that ria claimed something, especially since it is confirmed as accurate by the target but could be faked (it's not a far jump to assume you don't have a targeted move, or if you have one you haven't used it yet given the number of 1pp moves we've seen in flips...but that's a whole lot of assumption there, when the most logical conclusion is that ria's telling the truth). EWP: Or, as Wheat pointed out while I'm writing this, he could be rolecop...
Speaking of thinking things, I don't like BV's vote on ria. When I made my vote, I did not realize we were at 4 to lynch (because I fail at reading), so I didn't factor in that it only took one more vote to force ria into a claim. I was already suspicious of BV because of the active lurking reminding me of his scum game in MM7, and his jumping on that non-wagon without providing reasons strikes me as questionable. Not throwing a vote on him (yet), but I'll throw a formal FoS: BV.
You know what, let's step back a second. Let's assume BV is scum. It doesn't make sense to me that BV would be bussing scumbuddy!ria at this point in the game. There's (I assume) only two scum in the game right now, so why would BV decide to sacrifice ria when there's not a stong push against ria right now. He's not scoring any town points doing that. So let's assume ria is town. Right now, the scum would just need one more townie to vote ria, and then BV's buddy could hammer the mislynch*. The question is, who would the other scum be?
Logically, wheat's claim checked out, and Teia's town because of Void's case (coupled with +town behavior), so that leaves GM or KK as the remaining scum, and of those two, KK reads WAY scummier than GM. (In fact, I don't get a scum read off GM period.)
So...I'm going with a KK/BV scumteam right now.
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I'm willing to lynch KK toDay, and go after BV tomorrow, but I'm not voting yet because KK's already at L-2 and I don't want to risk the Day ending before everyone is ready.
*or, his buddy could vote and then they convince one more townie to hammer, whatever.
I'm not going to lynch a dude just because he showed confirmation bias. If there is more to this case, let me know before I start to look back (hopefully Sunday).
There's also everything I was on him about yesterDay. He active lurked all of day 1, /barned his way onto the Void wagon, and hopped on my wagon with Wheat the instant Void claimed but he'd declined to comment on me at any prior point.
And his reread is not only confirmation bias, it also includes buddying and ridiculous leaps of logic to portray the message he wanted. Plus he still hasn't responded to either of the specific points I brought up, while continuing to claim I'm not bringing up anything specific.
@kaburi: So you change your whole read on the game based on how suddenly sure you are that BV is scum, yet you vote for me because I'm likely scum if BV is? That makes no sense and is building a chain lynch.
The fact that this reaction to BV is delayed until now that Wheat has shown more interest in the ria wagon than expected makes me as well. It looks like you decided to vote ria early so you would look townie in case he messed up and got lynched, but he had to claim sooner than expected and now a possible fourth player shows interest in voting him and you find a reason to flip to believing ria is town.
V/LA until Monday
Barring any new revelations, I'll probably vote ria when I get back. His claim doesn't sway me.
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Not exactly much new, although I do find one thing interesting. Under the assumption that kaburi and GM are both town, then this means we'd have both an all-town mislynch wagon and that two scum were piled up on Wheat for a fair part of the day. It's certainly possible, but I must question how likely it is. I went back and had a look at BV's vote for Wheat, and it was that post where he went after Iso until the last second, then swerved onto Wheat.
Finally, here's a bit of analysis that might yield something. I decided to go through Void's posts and see how he interacted with people day 1, and what his reads were like. One thing I found interesting was that he largely left BV alone for most of the game, even after BV started to case him. He didn't seem to do this for most other players. This is just speculation, but it's possible Void was simply ignoring his buddy even after said buddy decided to bus him. The basic thing here is that it's anomalous, and as such I find it suspicious.
My theory at the moment is still a Void/KK/BV scum team, but that creates a seriously unlikely vote count at the end of day 1, and that's not something I can just ignore.
RE: My vote for Wheat_Grinder - I was responding to Iso, would you have rathered I just ignored him and then voted for Wheat_Grinder with nothing else?
It's peculiar to spend a post actively going after someone, only to spin a 180 at the last second. You accused him of handwaving, pointing suspicion everywhere, and distancing... then went "okay all that stuff above falls apart, /barn your read, vote Wheat." Can you describe to me your motivation for what appears to be strong waffling?
I'm not going to lynch a dude just because he showed confirmation bias. If there is more to this case, let me know before I start to look back (hopefully Sunday).
There's also everything I was on him about yesterDay. He active lurked all of day 1, /barned his way onto the Void wagon, and hopped on my wagon with Wheat the instant Void claimed but he'd declined to comment on me at any prior point.
And his reread is not only confirmation bias, it also includes buddying and ridiculous leaps of logic to portray the message he wanted. Plus he still hasn't responded to either of the specific points I brought up, while continuing to claim I'm not bringing up anything specific.
I will respond to this tomorrow when I'm not just passing by.
Teia, is that unlikely vote count the all-town wagon on Hans? Dude seriously ruined Day 1 reads with his play, I think he had his own agenda & put himself in a place he had no skill to get out of.
Teia, is that unlikely vote count the all-town wagon on Hans? Dude seriously ruined Day 1 reads with his play, I think he had his own agenda & put himself in a place he had no skill to get out of.
And the associated double scum on Wheat. Given hans' play, it's definitely possible that the scum just sat back and decided to let us hang him all by ourselves, but it's still something I have to take note of and account for in my reads.
You don't have anything else to say about the activity since you last posted? We're rapidly approaching deadline, so it would be prudent to put out some content so we can determine the best lynch. Nothing about the vote count analysis, or the BV stuff?
You don't have anything else to say about the activity since you last posted? We're rapidly approaching deadline, so it would be prudent to put out some content so we can determine the best lynch. Nothing about the vote count analysis, or the BV stuff?
I've spent all Day waiting for rian to respond to my points against him, and if you still think I'm more likely scum than him at this point, there's no helping you except to get the truth shoved in your face when someone flips. Therefore, nothing more to talk about there at the moment.
Your vote count analysis isn't all that helpful, except for the wagon analysis. Far more valuable than who voted is why they voted. You should analyse the wagons of confirmed townies for scum tells that are more obvious in hindsight, rather than just look at a chart with relatively little information.
Also: lol at ria saying it isn't weird to have a 100% town lynch on the first Day. Defensive much?
As for BV: meh. Like I said, he always does things that look scummy, but the fact that he's actually trying to catch scum rather than ride the wagons tells me he's town.
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I don't see him specifically saying it's not weird to have an all-town mislynch.
Anyway, so far we've got two people at L-2, with a rapidly approaching deadline. For those of you who haven't voted: Which do you think is the better lynch, and why? Alternatively, if you think another player is the best lynch candidate, who would that be and why?
Right now, rian, but I also haven't reread the game since Void was revealed. Mostly for stuff already said, but his reread rubbed me the wrong way as well. He only brought up points against 3 people in his entire reread and only against me, kaburi, and BV, the three players it would be easiest to get lynched. He also ignored points that could make these players not scum, such as how I was the first to call BV scum by a wide margin, yet I'm 100% scum in his opinion.
I don't follow why you would get town points on an unproven BV, even if you had taken a serious pass at him at some point – but you didn't. I wasn't trying to PBPA the game, it was after midnight & I didn't bother with weak tells unless it was something consistent (like BV's 'I don't like naked votes' & then repeatedly naked voting).
He also does stuff like this a few times: "BV calls KK's push on him OMGUS. This reads like some of the weakest scumbuddy distancing ever. +s" <-Blatantly choosing to interpret something as the scummiest possible motive when there other possible reasons, but he doesn't bring up anything that could get in the way of his future cases.
What is the town motivation in BV trying to present his early Day 1 push on you as something more than it was, & colour your vote as a result of that push, rather than the reasons you gave (& BV ignored, which you prodded him about & he ignored)? This is BV being hella scummy, & the context of my comment is speculation based on you flipping scum.
Iso suddenly declared Void town after one of his large quote-wall posts. I didn't really see why, but Iso's supposedly better than me at reading Void, so I kept it in mind. Then Void started pushing on the people I thought were scum, so I cemented him as town in my mind.
I don't follow your logic here. If I saw posts that interacted with things I already had in my notes, I followed up on it. If I saw things that were questionable behaviors, I noted it. If I saw a strong town behavior, I noted it. If Teia or G_M or Jay posted "plenty of sketchy moments", I didn't see them, & this just seems like you're blanketing my re-read as suspect without analyzing the content, ending with you characterizing my scumspects as easy targets;
That's what you say. I say I think you're lying. There are plenty of questionable moves done by everyone if you're looking BECAUSE NO ONE IS PERFECT (if you continue to plead ignorance of this fact, I'll be happy to find examples, except for Teia, because I already had examples of her acting scummy when I cased her), but you ignore any of that when it comes to the people you want to say are town.
Ok. I still disagree with your case on Teia, & I had another reason to bide my time with her anyway. As for everyone else, Moms nailed Void, Wheat I discussed why I wasn't looking at him, & I would be amused to see what you would pull up on Jay. You say I ignore things, bring them up – you should be doing this anyway.
I was only mentioning myself as one of your scumspects as of your reread, at which time I was the popular wagon. Why are you ignoring everything else in my posts to zero in on this one phrase and add meaning to it that wasn't in the original post? I wouldn't mind this over-reaction if you were actually responding to any of my main points, but that you chose focus on this rather than my actual arguments is more scumminess added to your record.
That line is tacked on to the end of a paragraph trying to support the idea that my reads were all easy targets, rather than specifically addressing kaburi's questioning why he was an easy target. There is no reason to include yourself on that list. I was on you well before my re-read, well before you were an "easy target". To toss your name in there is misleading & puts false weight to your statement that my reads were only easy targets. Your wagon is almost certainly a result of me pushing on you.
I'm not going to lynch a dude just because he showed confirmation bias. If there is more to this case, let me know before I start to look back (hopefully Sunday).
There's also everything I was on him about yesterDay. He active lurked all of day 1,
I'm a slow starter, & you know this. In MM6 (where I was town, & you were scum), you tried to use this same thing as a reason I was suspect, despite also acknowledging that I was equally low-content in CCMVI (where I was town). You know better, yet you keep pressing this as something valid. Why do Void & BV get the meta handwave, but this stays on your list against me?
The post where I vote Void makes it clear I've read the case against Void, & I add something that hadn't been mentioned. Also at that moment you & Void had a counterwagon on Moms going, why wouldn't I have joined that? This is also the first post of mine that you said you couldn't ken, & now you're trying to reduced it to a bandwagon vote.
and hopped on my wagon with Wheat the instant Void claimed but he'd declined to comment on me at any prior point.
I don't know why the timing is significant. Your defense of a terrible push on Teia put me over the edge, & why are you sweeping this post under the rug? I sure seem to have a comment or two on you there, poking at your meta defense of Void. I had been interacting with you constantly while Void stalled, & I would be amazed if anyone took this "declined to comment" line seriously.
Anyway, so far we've got two people at L-2, with a rapidly approaching deadline. For those of you who haven't voted: Which do you think is the better lynch, and why? Alternatively, if you think another player is the best lynch candidate, who would that be and why?
KK & BV are still my go-to picks. KK's comment just now about how BV is always scummy is just more 'Void is bad at arguing', & he sees BV hunting scum & not just wagoning, when BV has just been griefed for yet again naked voting. I'm ready to be vindicated by KK's flip.
ria's last post, especially the part where he reminded me he's always a slow starter to the game, which I completely forgot, made me think I might not be thinking clearly about him and I can't afford to cause a chain lynch between he and me unless I'm absolutely certain he's scum.
I've got to take the time to do a reread of the thread, but schoolwork will make that difficult.
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BV - I thought ria was making more sense than KK when they were arguing towards the end of the last Day, but it was getting pretty nitpicky and wordy and I didn't follow it that closely. My biggest reservation is that he does seem to be coming to wagons pretty late. I'd have to check back to MM6 for his voting pattern as town, but I think he feels the same as he did then - cautious, but tearing into people once he has a good suspect.
tl;dr - Gut says town.
Do you have a case on ria, BV?
Here is your first negative thing on kaburi:And you say only negative about him for the remainder of your reread.
I also quoted one contortion and presented an important fact you ignored that just so happens to make your reads look weaker, but rather than address what I talked about, you accuse me of not quoting anything and making things up.
As for ignoring your example, this?
"He also ignored points that could make these players not scum, such as how I was the first to call BV scum by a wide margin, yet I'm 100% scum in his opinion. "
I never stated you were 100% scum, what is your deal with putting words in people mouths? Townies don't need to misrepresent the thread. I am confident you are scum, I've put a lot of effort to show why I think that. There is no need to overstate it like I am face-humping or claiming to be infallible. I'm not Iso.
& yes, when I did that re-read, I didn't look at you very hard – the whole point was so I could get a better look at other players. & you were super-lazy in your 'push' on BV. You kept tossing him out there, so you could point & say 'look, I pushed on BV!'. . . but you never actually push on BV. I'm happy as to discuss that, & I'm pretty sure I've brought it up already.
Sorry, I just noticed this was directed at me too. I've honestly not looked at the game in any kind of depth toDay, and I kind of tuned out of most of the post Void-fession discussion between KK and ria.
I don't think anything I can say at this point will count as "my own content", because
as others have been pointing out repeatedly I'm incapable of having original thoughtsthe things I'm mulling over right now have been mentioned by others, but I'll give it a shot:KK looks bad. Barning Void so hard yesterday, and staying on the bad Teia case so long and so aggressively was a huge red flag. My reservation here is the post-Void-fession stuff with him and ria (and later between ria and BV) made ria look Void-esque to me. A lot of the same issues I had with Void's posts (minus the condescension) I see in ria's posts. And, as with Void, I don't have enough self-confidence to know if that's a legit scum read or just me seeing scum in that particular posting style.
This poses a problem to me because I don't see KK and ria both being scum, so either ria's trying to use his voodoo debate skills to make KK dig a deeper hole and wind up as today's mislynch, or KK's actual scum and I'm being blinded by my emotions because of ria's posting style. I also don't know how much of my "read" on ria is OMGUS.
I've got to head up to the lab, and I'm going to be tied up for the rest of the day (and probably tonight too) with work, but I'll try to have more useful contributions Wednesday or so.
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It does not have to do with anyone you gave scum points.
Hello Mr. Strawman. That wasn't a point about proving I'm town, it was about how you ignored something that goes against BV being scum with me, if only a little bit. A town-minded reread would at least mention something like this and what reasonings could be pulled from it, but you just flat out ignore it.
You also still haven't answered where I quoted you assigning scum points to BV with a giant logic reach. Despite you falsely saying I quoted nothing, and getting called on it.
Everyone: make sure you understand the exchange ria and I just had.
I haven't read ria's stuff in depth to look for that sort of thing yet. I can't think of a less offensive way of saying this, so apologies to ria :hi::
There's an air of smugness and self-satisfaction, with just that added dash of superiority, that I get from ria's posts that puts me on tilt.
I think it's just a stylistic thing, which is what I thought my problem was with Void was ...until I took a closer look and realized that while Void was being smug and superior and kind of an ass, he was trying to trip Teia up in minutae because his case on her was so bad. I don't have time today to dig out the specific post # (I only have a brief break before I have to start more stuff in the lab) but I'm talking in particular about the post where Void told Teia "maybe you should actually read the definitions of the terminology in our forum". (Emphasis mine, heavily paraphrased.)
That post was really where he started down the road of "this is what calling someone scum is", which prompted my post that ria's taking such issue with where I said "hey, somethings off about you, but I'm not making a formal accusation because it could just be that you've really pissed me off by pushing my biggest rage button*".
I'm seeing the same thing with the end-of-yesteDay back and forth between ria and KK. It's a lot of focusing on minutae, trying rhetorical tricks to trip him up, etc. My eyes glazed over on those walls of text, so I haven't done any sort of deep analysis of them to see if there's something I'm missing.
I did reread the point where KK turns on Void (posts 591-595). I don't see that exchange as being bussing a scumbuddy. KK could have easily just sat back and let Void's claim implode on its own; instead, he chose to explicitly start dismantling Void's claim: "You're claiming the wrong words and sticking to them."
At that point, only Jay had caught that Void was using the wrong terminology. KK started probing there, Wheat and Teia picked up the thread, and by the time I got home from dinner the whole claim had collapsed in on itself. KK's reaction doesn't read as him needing to distance/bus Void because of the timing--he could had sat back, let the rest of us realize what Jay's saying, and then gone "oh, if Void's scum then his case is probably bad, so I should back off". Could it actually be a scum move to score town points by immediately turning on his buddy at the first sign of a slipup? Sure, of course, but there lies the way of WIFOM.
Looking back over the KK/ria exchanges with the assumption of town!KK makes it look like KK got caught up in a bad case, waited too long to back off, and now scum!ria's taking advantage of KK's misstep to push a mislynch wagon by keeping KK talking and getting him to just dig a deeper hole himself.
I don't know if if believe that. In my mind right now, there's a binary: either KK's scum, or ria is. I don't think they're both scum, and I think at least one of them is. I just don't know which is which any more.
I do think ria's stretching/misrepresenting my posts in his PBP analysis to give me scum points, but I'm 65% sure that's just me OMGUSing and not an actual scum read.
*My biggest rage button being people who act like/say they are my superior and/or belittle anyone. I do not tolerate being talked down to (or seeing others talked down to) very well at all.
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*Snip* I just said I'm time poor, I'll respond to your garbage, as I have repeatedly, when I have more than a minute to sit down. Just because I don't constantly say "gee, I have IRL responsibilities, V/LA 48 hours" doesn't mean I'm not going to respond to you. Get a grip – this kind of smug post ignoring that I have a real life makes it miserable to participate in this game.
@kaburi – repeatedly people have said Jay was the first person to point it out, when *I* was.
& I can't have an exchange with KK without you saying I'm just letting him hang himself, & I can't excuse myself from bobmarding the thread with more of the same, I can't point out posts that give me a town read on someone. . . I guess I'll eat worms?
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Yowza.
First off, let me apologize for offending you. Not my intention at all. This is just a game, after all.
Second of all, yowza.
Third of all, what the hell just happened? That seems like a disproportionately angry respone to my post. I just threw out a hypothetical "if KK's town here's my read". Hypothetical being the operative word. It must have struck a nerve...so maybe it's not as hypothetical as I thought.
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Especially since from what I'm skimming, it's getting to be a good time for it.
KoolKoal (2): Wheat_Grinder, Teia Rabishu
rianalnn (1): kaburi
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch!
Don't forget: The deadline is in about a week!
Well hopefully that doesn't happen anytime soon! Thanks for the advance notice though.
The thing is how sudden it was compared to how stalwartly he declared me scum. It seems artificial to have someone so ingrained and strident in his reads suddenly go after the guy he was barning.
I'm getting the feeling that ria and KK aren't on the same team here. I still think KK is the better lynch for today, but if he flips town, that's +scum for ria in my eyes. What's getting me here is that KK's case on me was just so bad and so vehement that it overpowers ria's sometimes-questionable analysis in my mind. At the same time, I can't say for certain that I'm overcoming the obvious OMGUS in such a position since I was the person Void and KK went after.
That explosion of ria's seems to be in line with his behaviour in MM6, where he was town. I think it's a fairly null tell all around, since that seems to be more a facet of his personality rather than anything else.
So you're just hopping on the wagon, then? No real case of your own? Your content lately's been very light. You said "He's been throwing up red flags for me" while agreeing with what GM wrote, but there isn't much in the ways of original content coming from you. Feels like you're active lurking here.
I'm Tyranitar.
My ability is Sand Stream, which does nothing.
My move is Pursuit, which is single shot but lets me track a player over consecutive nights as long as they don't die. N1 I chose Teia. I'll claim her targets if she wants me to.
Why did you choose Teia?
You also get overly defensive here, saying nice try to Teia as if she's throwing mud at you.
Being V/LA is one thing. Being V/LA, generally short on content even before that, and then voting someone to claim range is trying to have your cake and eat it too. Plus there's the fact that you said you "don't even need to do a reread." Would you mind explaining what you meant with that?
Sure, why not.
I agree that they're likely not on the same team, but like I said I'm not solid on who is who right now.
I do find in interesting that KK claimed VT and ria didn't.
So far, have we actually seen a true VT? Everyone's had something, right?EWP: Wait, Arcadic was true vanilla.I'll be interested to see if ria's claim checks out.
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Single shot, 1pp. I was going to track Iso, but then Wheat threatened to kill him. I thought of tracking Wheat, but felt that if he was legit, he might draw the NK, or if there was a 'real' vig, he might still end up dead. So I went with Teia, based on basically the same reason I early-wagoned her in MM6 – she's tough to get a read on, & a formidable player.
At least there is the payoff of BV's blatent target of opportunity vote.
In light of your EWP, is KK claiming VT and ria not claiming VT still interesting? If so, why?
Questioning him and being on his wagon are two different things. You voted for ria without providing any explanation only a scant few posts after kaburi did, and you still did it after providing relatively little content today. This is why it seems like you leapt right on his wagon, irrespective of previous days' content.
No, I didn't misrepresent anything. Your vote was not contingent upon the reread you mentioned you'd do. You contributed little content today, went V/LA, then hopped back to vote ria without providing much in the ways of reasoning. Further rereads are separate from this sequence of events.
This is accurate.
And when are you going to respond to the fact that you ignore anything that gets in the way of your scum reads and your terrible stretch in calling something scummy I quoted?I was only mentioning myself as one of your scumspects as of your reread, at which time I was the popular wagon. Why are you ignoring everything else in my posts to zero in on this one phrase and add meaning to it that wasn't in the original post? I wouldn't mind this over-reaction if you were actually responding to any of my main points, but that you chose focus on this rather than my actual arguments is more scumminess added to your record.
Need GM and Wheat to weigh in on ria now.
claim - was somewhat risky but I don't think it's that hard to guess that Teia is vanilla/doesn't have a targeting ability and say that she hasn't targeted anyone. Pretty much a wash.
only finding scummy points against certain people - is this the main argument against him? I haven't had time to verify it independently, but I don't feel this is conclusive evidence of scum. I guess town should be more open-minded, but if you have some suspects when you go into a reread, you are probably more likely to notice things that they did wrong than right.
I'm not going to lynch a dude just because he showed confirmation bias. If there is more to this case, let me know before I start to look back (hopefully Sunday).
But because that might not be for a few more days:
I approve of the pressure on ria because I think the gamestate is one of two ways. One way is that KK was scum with Void, in which case either Ria or BV is scum with them (and I think it's ria).
But if KK was town (and the more I think about KK's readiness to agree with Void, I sort of doubt he would've been Void's scumbuddy), then things are odd but I think parse-able. This is what I've been wanting to look back at, but I think Ria is scum with either Gerrard's Mom, Teia, or BV. I'm not sure which.
Ria could easily have the same info from being rolecop, but tracker is risky to claim.
That was what my thoughts were as I thought about this game during my absence. I need to look back because the game might have changed and certainly to figure out who ria's scumbuddy would be, but that's my current thinking.
Only mildly. I meant to grab that whole line in the strikethrough. I could have just deleted that whole paragraph, but since the biggest criticism I get is that I don't contribute original thoughts, I wanted to make it clear I was actually thinking things.
I mean, I do think it's interesting that ria claimed something, especially since it is confirmed as accurate by the target but could be faked (it's not a far jump to assume you don't have a targeted move, or if you have one you haven't used it yet given the number of 1pp moves we've seen in flips...but that's a whole lot of assumption there, when the most logical conclusion is that ria's telling the truth). EWP: Or, as Wheat pointed out while I'm writing this, he could be rolecop...
Speaking of thinking things, I don't like BV's vote on ria. When I made my vote, I did not realize we were at 4 to lynch (because I fail at reading), so I didn't factor in that it only took one more vote to force ria into a claim. I was already suspicious of BV because of the active lurking reminding me of his scum game in MM7, and his jumping on that non-wagon without providing reasons strikes me as questionable. Not throwing a vote on him (yet), but I'll throw a formal FoS: BV.
You know what, let's step back a second. Let's assume BV is scum. It doesn't make sense to me that BV would be bussing scumbuddy!ria at this point in the game. There's (I assume) only two scum in the game right now, so why would BV decide to sacrifice ria when there's not a stong push against ria right now. He's not scoring any town points doing that. So let's assume ria is town. Right now, the scum would just need one more townie to vote ria, and then BV's buddy could hammer the mislynch*. The question is, who would the other scum be?
Logically, wheat's claim checked out, and Teia's town because of Void's case (coupled with +town behavior), so that leaves GM or KK as the remaining scum, and of those two, KK reads WAY scummier than GM. (In fact, I don't get a scum read off GM period.)
So...I'm going with a KK/BV scumteam right now.
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I'm willing to lynch KK toDay, and go after BV tomorrow, but I'm not voting yet because KK's already at L-2 and I don't want to risk the Day ending before everyone is ready.
*or, his buddy could vote and then they convince one more townie to hammer, whatever.
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And his reread is not only confirmation bias, it also includes buddying and ridiculous leaps of logic to portray the message he wanted. Plus he still hasn't responded to either of the specific points I brought up, while continuing to claim I'm not bringing up anything specific.
@kaburi: So you change your whole read on the game based on how suddenly sure you are that BV is scum, yet you vote for me because I'm likely scum if BV is? That makes no sense and is building a chain lynch.
The fact that this reaction to BV is delayed until now that Wheat has shown more interest in the ria wagon than expected makes me
V/LA until Monday
Barring any new revelations, I'll probably vote ria when I get back. His claim doesn't sway me.
Activity has been pretty good so far, let's keep it up. Don't forget there's a deadline upcoming.
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KoolKoal (2): Wheat_Grinder, Teia Rabishu
rianalnn (1): BlackVise
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch!
Deadline is September 5th, 11:59 EST
I can't catch up by then.
I support the lynch of KK (so I can tell which gamestate it is) or the lynch of ria (Because I think he's scum either way).
Not exactly much new, although I do find one thing interesting. Under the assumption that kaburi and GM are both town, then this means we'd have both an all-town mislynch wagon and that two scum were piled up on Wheat for a fair part of the day. It's certainly possible, but I must question how likely it is. I went back and had a look at BV's vote for Wheat, and it was that post where he went after Iso until the last second, then swerved onto Wheat.
Finally, here's a bit of analysis that might yield something. I decided to go through Void's posts and see how he interacted with people day 1, and what his reads were like. One thing I found interesting was that he largely left BV alone for most of the game, even after BV started to case him. He didn't seem to do this for most other players. This is just speculation, but it's possible Void was simply ignoring his buddy even after said buddy decided to bus him. The basic thing here is that it's anomalous, and as such I find it suspicious.
My theory at the moment is still a Void/KK/BV scum team, but that creates a seriously unlikely vote count at the end of day 1, and that's not something I can just ignore.
It's peculiar to spend a post actively going after someone, only to spin a 180 at the last second. You accused him of handwaving, pointing suspicion everywhere, and distancing... then went "okay all that stuff above falls apart, /barn your read, vote Wheat." Can you describe to me your motivation for what appears to be strong waffling?
I will respond to this tomorrow when I'm not just passing by.
Teia, is that unlikely vote count the all-town wagon on Hans? Dude seriously ruined Day 1 reads with his play, I think he had his own agenda & put himself in a place he had no skill to get out of.
And the associated double scum on Wheat. Given hans' play, it's definitely possible that the scum just sat back and decided to let us hang him all by ourselves, but it's still something I have to take note of and account for in my reads.
vote rianalnn
You don't have anything else to say about the activity since you last posted? We're rapidly approaching deadline, so it would be prudent to put out some content so we can determine the best lynch. Nothing about the vote count analysis, or the BV stuff?
Your vote count analysis isn't all that helpful, except for the wagon analysis. Far more valuable than who voted is why they voted. You should analyse the wagons of confirmed townies for scum tells that are more obvious in hindsight, rather than just look at a chart with relatively little information.
Also: lol at ria saying it isn't weird to have a 100% town lynch on the first Day. Defensive much?
As for BV: meh. Like I said, he always does things that look scummy, but the fact that he's actually trying to catch scum rather than ride the wagons tells me he's town.
Anyway, so far we've got two people at L-2, with a rapidly approaching deadline. For those of you who haven't voted: Which do you think is the better lynch, and why? Alternatively, if you think another player is the best lynch candidate, who would that be and why?
What is the town motivation in BV trying to present his early Day 1 push on you as something more than it was, & colour your vote as a result of that push, rather than the reasons you gave (& BV ignored, which you prodded him about & he ignored)? This is BV being hella scummy, & the context of my comment is speculation based on you flipping scum.
This is just a gut call. You've already said you don't believe me, but I followed up on my notes & those are the things that stuck out to me.
Can you see the problem here yet?
That line is tacked on to the end of a paragraph trying to support the idea that my reads were all easy targets, rather than specifically addressing kaburi's questioning why he was an easy target. There is no reason to include yourself on that list. I was on you well before my re-read, well before you were an "easy target". To toss your name in there is misleading & puts false weight to your statement that my reads were only easy targets. Your wagon is almost certainly a result of me pushing on you.
The post where I vote Void makes it clear I've read the case against Void, & I add something that hadn't been mentioned. Also at that moment you & Void had a counterwagon on Moms going, why wouldn't I have joined that? This is also the first post of mine that you said you couldn't ken, & now you're trying to reduced it to a bandwagon vote.
I don't know why the timing is significant. Your defense of a terrible push on Teia put me over the edge, & why are you sweeping this post under the rug? I sure seem to have a comment or two on you there, poking at your meta defense of Void. I had been interacting with you constantly while Void stalled, & I would be amazed if anyone took this "declined to comment" line seriously.
He's in bulldog mode.
KK & BV are still my go-to picks. KK's comment just now about how BV is always scummy is just more 'Void is bad at arguing', & he sees BV hunting scum & not just wagoning, when BV has just been griefed for yet again naked voting. I'm ready to be vindicated by KK's flip.
Vote: KoolKoal
I downloaded Fate Core rules and barbecued instead of doing this but I will decide which one of these guys is scummier by deadline.
I've got to take the time to do a reread of the thread, but schoolwork will make that difficult.
KoolKoal (3): Wheat_Grinder, Teia Rabishu, rianalnn
rianalnn (1): BlackVise
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch!
Deadline is September 5th, 11:59 EST. This is less than two days from now.
Due to the holiday weekend, I won't be handing out official prods yet. But if you haven't posted in a while, now would be the time to do so. I'll send a PM reminder to kaburi and Wheat, who fit that description.
ria, why should I lynch KK?
I want concise reasoning.