Thor's vote against Iso came before you made that point.
Thor's vote against Iso inspired absolutely no one to go along with it. My vote against Iso(and his nonsense explanations to try and placate me) resulted in more people voting. Thor is not responsible for Iso's wagon. I am, and I say that regardless of Iso's alignment.
And I've ignored the Iso wagon? Have you even been reading the thread? You really need to go back and re-read my posts.
No thanks, how about you summarize it, so that I don't have to read through 14 walls of you and Thor's pointless bickering to try to find 2 lines of you talking about Iso. In the posts of yours that I did read, even the ones where you addressed Iso, you did so with as little effort as possible, and with even less direct involvement in his wagon.
No, I don't like Thor's attitude one bit. I'm not terribly surprised you do, but I suspect you'd find it super-annoying if you were either leading a charge against him (me) or being hounded by him (Iso). But no, that's not the case I had against him. Again, that's been covered multiple times in my posts, but as a reminder - it all stemmed from his reaction during RVS.
His attitude is what it is. He's not going to change it for this game/series. So what can you really do about that?
No, what is "nothing" is effectively what you've contributed to this game. You've sat on the sidelines, sniping at people and letting Thor lead the charge. This is not town Cyan.
This is pretty far from reality. I said what I needed to say about Iso. I voiced my skepticism toward his 'defense'. I had been assuming that he is going to get around to claiming/being forced to do so at some point, because that is how things go. There was no 'letting Thor lead the charge'. He isn't leading any charge, other than to argue with you. And I'm not particularly inclined to read that entire cluster of an argument, because I have a town read on Thor, and because your entire case on him, from what I DID read, is what I already stated.
He does when he's trying to get a rise out of you. Apparently it worked.
Nice try, but no dice. When you A)act like scum and B)particularly don't act like your town-self, you are only ever going to get one reaction out of me, and you know it.
And you cannot deny that this happen, because your response acknowledges exactly that it did. Thanks for making it easy, scum.
Thor's vote against Iso came before you made that point.
Thor's vote against Iso inspired absolutely no one to go along with it. My vote against Iso(and his nonsense explanations to try and placate me) resulted in more people voting. Thor is not responsible for Iso's wagon. I am, and I say that regardless of Iso's alignment.
Well, considering Vi voted Iso for ... "I'm not quite sure meta" but quoted llamarble in the process, and Kami clearly sheeped Thor - I still disagree with you. Also consider that Thor has been a much larger presence in this game than you.
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And I've ignored the Iso wagon? Have you even been reading the thread? You really need to go back and re-read my posts.
No thanks, how about you summarize it, so that I don't have to read through 14 walls of you and Thor's pointless bickering to try to find 2 lines of you talking about Iso. In the posts of yours that I did read, even the ones where you addressed Iso, you did so with as little effort as possible, and with even less direct involvement in his wagon.
I am absolutely convinced you have not read this thread. If anything, I've said more about the Iso wagon than anyone not named Thor. Additionally, I linked a post for you already.
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No, I don't like Thor's attitude one bit. I'm not terribly surprised you do, but I suspect you'd find it super-annoying if you were either leading a charge against him (me) or being hounded by him (Iso). But no, that's not the case I had against him. Again, that's been covered multiple times in my posts, but as a reminder - it all stemmed from his reaction during RVS.
His attitude is what it is. He's not going to change it for this game/series. So what can you really do about that?
This line of discussion is going in a big circle.
"You have a problem with his attitude."
"Yes, but that's not why I'm voting him, here's why."
"You have a problem with his attitude, he's not going to change it."
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No, what is "nothing" is effectively what you've contributed to this game. You've sat on the sidelines, sniping at people and letting Thor lead the charge. This is not town Cyan.
This is pretty far from reality. I said what I needed to say about Iso. I voiced my skepticism toward his 'defense'. I had been assuming that he is going to get around to claiming/being forced to do so at some point, because that is how things go. There was no 'letting Thor lead the charge'. He isn't leading any charge, other than to argue with you. And I'm not particularly inclined to read that entire cluster of an argument, because I have a town read on Thor, and because your entire case on him, from what I DID read, is what I already stated.
No, it's not pretty far from reality - it is reality. You are a non-factor. A complete non-entity this game, and it is completely out of character for you.
It feels like there are three people playing this game - you are not one of them.
Also, when you dismiss my entire debate with Thor as a "cluster of an argument" and then proceed to claim you have a "town read" on him, you're going to have to excuse my skepticism.
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He does when he's trying to get a rise out of you. Apparently it worked.
Nice try, but no dice. When you A)act like scum and B)particularly don't act like your town-self, you are only ever going to get one reaction out of me, and you know it.
And you cannot deny that this happen, because your response acknowledges exactly that it did. Thanks for making it easy, scum.
Deny what happened? That I poked the bear? Absolutely. I wanted to get a read on you. You responded by voting me. This does not bode well for your alignment.
Inadequate. You fail to explain why that would make her (?) scum. One would assume that Vi would post like Vi as scum as well.
MY experiences with Vi are with Vi-town, not Vi-scum. When Vi is not feeling like Vi, he's feeling different from my town baseline of her and that's a problem.
The only things that have stuck out to me are ISO's "madscum" reaction to his wagon while also feigning casualness behind his "claim" and also Vi's snarky interaction with him (which is pretty par for the course regardless of what Vi is).
Remind me why you think Vi's scum again, given this?
On a slightly more relevant note, I'm still reading, but I'm going to Unvote Vierni.
What a scummy post. First, you effectively ignored the entire Iso wagon because 'Thor was leading it'. But Thor was never leading it. I made the most relevant point against Iso, and Iso himself acknowledged my behavior against him as town. And you never addressed any other points that anyone else brought up against him, from what I could tell.
Furthermore, you spent a TON of time trying to get a wagon on Thor based essentially on 'I don't like his attitude', despite multiple people(from both MS and MTGS) stating that we think he is overwhelmingly town.
And then when that didn't work out, you moved onto me, based on effectively nothing. I've been 'sniping' at Nacho because his behavior is scummy, but in a way that could just be his playstyle. And from what I've gotten from what other MS people have said regarding him, he acts this way regardless of alignment. So I haven't made a move against him because of that, but this doesn't change the fact that his behavior IS inherently scummy.
Lastly, town DYH doesn't say things like 'convince me that I'm wrong'.
Unvote, Vote DYH
I'm relatively sure that the majority of this has been going on for a while now. What changed?
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The only things that have stuck out to me are ISO's "madscum" reaction to his wagon while also feigning casualness behind his "claim" and also Vi's snarky interaction with him (which is pretty par for the course regardless of what Vi is).
Remind me why you think Vi's scum again, given this?
I meant you general impressions of those games you were "OH SO EXCITED TY FOR LINKS" to read. Read fake as **** to me and OH LOOK you didn't read a single page DID YOU?
I explained why I thgouht Vi was scum last night too. So this is more empty posting "you're ignoring me u is scum let me post about post"
When someone makes a point against you that even you admit is correct, you are definitely going to try to placate them. Not sure why you're arguing this point.
Why would my alignment matter?
Because it's easy to claim responsibility for someone's alignment if they ultimately flip scum. It means more to do so when you're not sure what their alignment is ultimately going to be.
Did you suddenly become DRey?
Bad vibes from your phrasing in this whole post. It reads forced.
A)Please don't insult me.
B)Sometimes, when you have a person on their backfoot, it's best to keep them there.
When someone makes a point against you that even you admit is correct, you are definitely going to try to placate them. Not sure why you're arguing this point.
Because I was agreeing with you. I put way too much thought into the post and it showed. That doesn't make me scum.
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Why would my alignment matter?
Because it's easy to claim responsibility for someone's alignment if they ultimately flip scum. It means more to do so when you're not sure what their alignment is ultimately going to be.
But my point is, why make this statement at all? Anyone can see that you're wanting responsibility for the push on me.
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Did you suddenly become DRey?
Bad vibes from your phrasing in this whole post. It reads forced.
A)Please don't insult me.
B)Sometimes, when you have a person on their backfoot, it's best to keep them there.
A. It's just something I'd expect him to say.
B. Saying, "Thanks for making it easy, scum," is supposed to keep a player as experienced as DYH on his back foot? Please, Cyan, tell me the real reason why you felt the need to force that last line.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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DYH and I have a lengthy history with each other. I can't even remember the last time I thought he was scum. But I bet I was right about it. He is absolutely on his backfoot right now, if you don't realize that, this is your problem.
Sometimes, the best thing to do to a person is to tilt them, you know? Though you have largely ruined this effort now anyway. So thanks for that.
Again, when have you known such tactics to work against DYH? Please find the last game you played in together where you were town and DYH is scum and show me how he reacted to bravado when you pushed him.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
There is literally zero chance that I am going to fulfill that request, and you know it. Why even bother asking, except to make me look bad in a way that will never come back to bite you?
Additionally, the manner in which you are 'defending him but not really' is very curious.
@AF: DYH *and* Iso are better candidates for voting than Cyouni.
There is literally zero chance that I am going to fulfill that request, and you know it. Why even bother asking, except to make me look bad in a way that will never come back to bite you?
You've fulfilled meta research requests before, have you not? After all, you've mentioned recently that your tendency to rely on meta to determine a player's mindset has been hampering your ability to look past that and into your behavior. So if you're so sure about DYH, why not cite an example of you performing a similar tactic and him going on tilt as scum as a result?
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Additionally, the manner in which you are 'defending him but not really' is very curious.
Then be curious and ask me questions. I think you're both scum at this point, which I made pretty apparent by my busing comment a few posts ago.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Can you two give some concrete reads on the other MTGS players?
Cyan is town.
dC needs to post more. DYH is null.
Cyouni is making me go ":-/" but I'm willing to chalk it up to being rusty for the time being.
You're probably town.
I'm sorry I didn't get to do my second big pass this weekend; I wasn't really feeling sharp enough to scumhunt well yesterday. I'll make time tomorrow though.
I do have good news though, I'm able to tell Cyan and Cyouni apart now. the former being town and the latter being iso's buddy helped a bit
Other than the couple of people who suspect Thor for derpy reasons, this seems to be the consensus attitude. I'll focus on vetting that out. I don't get the general lack of interest in descoures though.
People who are voting Thor: he's been very active and useful and shown all the good townie attitudes. Whether or not he's right about Iso his reads aren't farfetched.
llamarble isn't showing any interest in any of today's major suspects - he's barely even commented on Iso or Cyouni, even, and when he has it's been extremely brief and in terms that even 'non-committal' would be an understatement to describe.
Instead, the only strong read he's expressed has been to roundly proclaim Thor town, and the only person he's attacked at all today has been me - a target who it should be obvious is not going to be the lynch today, and who, obviously not at all coincidentally, is the only person who thinks he's scum. On top of that, he's doing it in a passive-aggressive way, sniping every second post or so, but never actually really committing.
This is active-lurking at its 'finest'. It's additionally ironic that one of his snipes is accusing me of being 'safe' and 'peripheral' when a look at his posts this game should make it obvious that those two words describe him more than just about anyone else this game.
So before getting to your silliness, I agree with your last point, or at least a version of it.
Iso is focusing on beating Thor's arguments on a logic-battlefield rather than saying "but I'm town." So you get usefulness / perspective sharing points for that.
So what does that mean for your opinion of Iso anyway, hm?
On to your accusations:
A
First off, go take a look at any of my town games. This is how I work.
The text you bolded explains all my "inconsistencies."
My posts are not inconsistent. There's just more going on between them than is typical. I spent :hours: reading today. It takes me a :long time: to solve a game, but I'm also right more often than most people.
If I want to communicate / explain something, then I do. This happens more once I'm ready to campaign for or against a lynch.
Until then asking me questions is like DOSing my scumhunting bandwidth, and I've learned to ignore questions I don't think it will be productive to answer.
I called your methodology safe and peripheral because it was.
I actually DID explain that. Do you disagree?
If you were town, I don't see what in blazes would be so difficult about (even briefly) explaining why and how your reads changed. Instead, you utterly refused to offer even a word of elaboration. That smacks far more of scum that doesn't really have a good explanation on hand than anything else.
I obviously disagree. My questioning has a point, at least some of which should have been obvious by now. And you didn't 'explain' anything - you threw a bunch of paraphrased quotes in (completely cutting out the context, which was undoubtedly on purpose) and called them 'safe'. A fie in your general direction.
B
I said that I should be regarded as obvtown, not that I should be regarded as similar to Vierni or Thor.
I am my own unique and beautiful townie snowflake.
Stating 'obvtown' players and then talking about yourself in the same context is like a bog standard marketing promotion technique. Not buying it.
And in any case, there's nothing at all that makes you 'obvtown'. Quite the opposite.
C
I have no slam dunk scumreads yet. I'm not afraid to not have the game figured out. I will, and then everyone will obey me and the scum will all die as usual.
"Not really involved but trying to look like he is" doesn't follow from the things you mentioned. I don't think it's fair to accuse me of failure to contribute to town progress.
Unless you're scum, in which case the town will all die. Riiight. If all players could just keep going 'keep going, I'll have all the scum for you tomorrow' the mafia would win every game.
As I noted above, you've volunteered basically no opinion on the major wagons of today. You've declared Thor town and made not-very-veiled swipes at me. That's it.
D
None of the things mentioned here are actually bad?
You're not talking to DYH there like you think he's scum. Despite having him as third from the bottom on your list. The implication is that subconsciously you don't think he's scum - maybe because you're scum and his player name isn't in your PM.
Which is also why I'm not a fan of Cyouni's and Voxxicus' cautious disapproval of this suggestion... that, I note, in both cases stops short of an outright no.
I swear I said it's a good idea, given all that's going on now is just a back-and-forth.
Why would all the scum being on one side make this suggestion 'not reasonable'?
Under perfect circumstances, nothing.
However, that suggestion assumes that the scum are spread between the two sides. In the cases that they aren't, one side's hunting for something that isn't there, while the other side has a completely equal balance of town/scum. I don't see much getting done in that scenario. One side's hunting for something that doesn't exist. The other side doesn't even have a majority over the scum, and that's going to distort anything they come up with.
Like I said, under perfect circumstances it'd be fine. But under perfect circumstances, there would be a need for this at all.
To that I say that if we're really as good players as we're supposed to be, that should balance out in the end - especially if, as I said, we don't actually stop looking at each side's posts.
...which is barely a point at all. What gives? I initially thought you said that because it didn't make logical sense when Vierni unvoted DYH to vote Thor, but if you just asked that question without that as a consideration then we have a problem here.
It didn't make logical sense how unvoting one person gives another control of an unrelated wagon. Even if you take out the target of the vote, it still doesn't make logical sense.
....mmh. Fair enough. It still seems odd that the target of said vote never entered your thought process, though, and that your response to me talking about it later wasn't 'I didn't think of that, that strengthens my point' but more a 'that's a really good point, yes'.
....seriously? Things like Nacho voting Vierni after posting points on DYH, and continuing to stretch that out even though you clearly don't seem terribly suspicious of Nacho now. (For reference, while what Nacho did doesn't make sense as town, it doesn't really make much sense as scum either, so, as for Thor, I'm more inclined to think it just doesn't make sense in general.) It's like you're just poking at anything and everything that sticks out.
DYH and I have a lengthy history with each other. I can't even remember the last time I thought he was scum. But I bet I was right about it. He is absolutely on his backfoot right now, if you don't realize that, this is your problem.
Sometimes, the best thing to do to a person is to tilt them, you know? Though you have largely ruined this effort now anyway. So thanks for that.
Ahem. Persona Mafia. Where you continued for ages to accuse DYH as the serial killer because he was Yagami Light and you were L, the cop.
....and yes, we were all town in that game.
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Esper Simperer; Even the court homonculi need someone to look down on.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
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...come to think of it, Iso, what is your opinion of llamarble?
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I meant you general impressions of those games you were "OH SO EXCITED TY FOR LINKS" to read. Read fake as **** to me and OH LOOK you didn't read a single page DID YOU?
I had seven games in tabs and not nearly enough time in a day. Excuse me for not managing to read all of it in that day. (sarcasm)
And I'm pretty sure you, of all people, have no right to judge me on that.
I mean seriously Vi do you HAVE to go out of your way to be so insufferable? Nacho is right about my read on you, its got **** to do with ISO (though trying to link you comes from my eagerness for you to be scum)
you go out of your way to be as ****ing insufferable as possible i swear.
I feel like finding a game where we were both in and shoving it in your face because i'm sure that it went more in my favor than yours
Let's see.
"insufferable"
"eagerness for you to be scum"
"insufferable"
"went more in my favour than yours"
Huh. I could swear there's not a single word about your reasons in there (unless insufferable is your reason, then that's just stupid).
So stop dodging the question and answer.
llamarble isn't showing any interest in any of today's major suspects - he's barely even commented on Iso or Cyouni, even, and when he has it's been extremely brief and in terms that even 'non-committal' would be an understatement to describe.
Instead, the only strong read he's expressed has been to roundly proclaim Thor town, and the only person he's attacked at all today has been me - a target who it should be obvious is not going to be the lynch today, and who, obviously not at all coincidentally, is the only person who thinks he's scum. On top of that, he's doing it in a passive-aggressive way, sniping every second post or so, but never actually really committing.
This is active-lurking at its 'finest'. It's additionally ironic that one of his snipes is accusing me of being 'safe' and 'peripheral' when a look at his posts this game should make it obvious that those two words describe him more than just about anyone else this game.
I'm agreeing with you here, but I'm also saving it for when I'm actually done going through all the games linked to me.
Why would all the scum being on one side make this suggestion 'not reasonable'?
Under perfect circumstances, nothing.
However, that suggestion assumes that the scum are spread between the two sides. In the cases that they aren't, one side's hunting for something that isn't there, while the other side has a completely equal balance of town/scum. I don't see much getting done in that scenario. One side's hunting for something that doesn't exist. The other side doesn't even have a majority over the scum, and that's going to distort anything they come up with.
Like I said, under perfect circumstances it'd be fine. But under perfect circumstances, there would be a need for this at all.
To that I say that if we're really as good players as we're supposed to be, that should balance out in the end - especially if, as I said, we don't actually stop looking at each side's posts.
Then that defeats the whole point of splitting it up, at which point we might as well proceed as we're doing now. In the case of all the scum being on one side, we gain nothing and stand the possibility of losing quite a bit. Low enough chance that I'm willing to risk it, however.
....seriously? Things like Nacho voting Vierni after posting points on DYH, and continuing to stretch that out even though you clearly don't seem terribly suspicious of Nacho now. (For reference, while what Nacho did doesn't make sense as town, it doesn't really make much sense as scum either, so, as for Thor, I'm more inclined to think it just doesn't make sense in general.) It's like you're just poking at anything and everything that sticks out.
I'm pretty sure I've seen scum do it before, so...moot point. As for poking at anything and everything that sticks out, just call me dC-lite. As for my suspicion of Nacho, he stopped posting, so my efforts focused on more prevalent personalities in the game that were also scummy.
As for llamarble, I think his arguments are weak and I'd like to see him provide REAL content.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm judging you because you're scum because of it, that's part of the game.
The difference between my low activity this game and your failure to follow through on something is just that:
I've made no false pretenses that I AM going to start "contributing" more frequently or more in depthly. I've flat out said I've had a hard time getting my head into this game and getting my teeth into somethign
YOU have said "oh wow look how townie im going to be and all these gamse im going to read!" but it jsut felt fake as ****, the sort of promise I KNEW you weren't going to follow through with.
I called you out on it, and wow, excuses? Deflecting back to me about some half-assed Vi read of mine from 20 pages ago (I'm not voting Vi, which should show how strongly I ever felt about that read anyway)?
I know dodge is nice key word to sling around when trying to smear someone, but you're really just embarassing yourself.
I'm waiting for the MS crew to wake up because MTGS is just dick slappign around with eachother saying things like "Oh thats so unlike town you!" "NO its not what do you know about me!?"
I find myself inclined to agree with AF here. And in general, Cyounis post just seems like a huge overreaction. It seems like a bad thing that the only people I find scummy(jury is still out on Nacho) are all from MTGS.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm judging you because you're scum because of it, that's part of the game.
The difference between my low activity this game and your failure to follow through on something is just that:
I've made no false pretenses that I AM going to start "contributing" more frequently or more in depthly. I've flat out said I've had a hard time getting my head into this game and getting my teeth into somethign
YOU have said "oh wow look how townie im going to be and all these gamse im going to read!" but it jsut felt fake as ****, the sort of promise I KNEW you weren't going to follow through with.
Oh? I have seven-or-so games to read through, I specify I'm still reading them (because, you know, I don't have infinite time on my hands), and you're trying to pull that?
I called you out on it, and wow, excuses? Deflecting back to me about some half-assed Vi read of mine from 20 pages ago (I'm not voting Vi, which should show how strongly I ever felt about that read anyway)?
I know dodge is nice key word to sling around when trying to smear someone, but you're really just embarassing yourself.
I'm waiting for the MS crew to wake up because MTGS is just dick slappign around with eachother saying things like "Oh thats so unlike town you!" "NO its not what do you know about me!?"
So remind me.
You were voting Vi for a pretty significant time.
You talked so much about how you thought he (?) was scum.
You claimed to have backed it up and talked about it yesterday.
Yet you obviously cannot justify any of that.
"Some half-assed read"? You just said you were talking about why you thought Vi was scum. I question you on that, and your reaction is to instantly call it "some half-assed read".
You've been calling Vi scum since post #90. Post #130, #142, #163, (sort of) #189, and (apparently) #285 all have notes of it.
Furthermore, you were voting Vi (or attempting to, at least) until you decided to vote Iso based off some "bus" theory. And you kept calling Vi scum until I called you out on your reasons.
Yet suddenly, after all that, after you went "I told you already what my reasons were", after that's all you've been doing the whole game, it's just "some half-assed read"?
No. If so, you would have said that earlier. Your answer to me wouldn't have been "I wrote it last night", it would have been something like "it was a throwaway read I made 20 pages ago". You're just completely unable to give any reason for it, and trying to wave it away with this. Vote Aggressive_Fate.
llamarble isn't showing any interest in any of today's major suspects - he's barely even commented on Iso or Cyouni, even, and when he has it's been extremely brief and in terms that even 'non-committal' would be an understatement to describe.
I have both shown interest in and spent time reading those players. Unfortunately I have not reached a conclusive result, but oh hey, it looks like I said I'd spend my next time chunk on vetting out the ISO / Cyouni wagons.
Instead, the only strong read he's expressed has been to roundly proclaim Thor town, and the only person he's attacked at all today has been me - a target who it should be obvious is not going to be the lynch today, and who, obviously not at all coincidentally, is the only person who thinks he's scum. On top of that, he's doing it in a passive-aggressive way, sniping every second post or so, but never actually really committing.
I don't push when I'm not ready, and I'm not ready yet. If I do decide you're scum we'll see how long that 'obviously not going to be the lynch today' lasts.
This is active-lurking at its 'finest'. It's additionally ironic that one of his snipes is accusing me of being 'safe' and 'peripheral' when a look at his posts this game should make it obvious that those two words describe him more than just about anyone else this game.
I don't think safe describes my posting this game. Admitting difficulties reaching a conclusion instead of picking somebody and armoring a vote on them with a couple decent sounding reasons is not 'safe.' DGAF seems like a much better word. Peripheral? I suppose until I feel I've found the thread of the game that's sorta where I sit, though I've at least made a few useful stirring gestures in my 4x as many posts as you.
So what does that mean for your opinion of Iso anyway, hm?
It's a reason he might be scum, as you probably could've guessed.
If you were town, I don't see what in blazes would be so difficult about (even briefly) explaining why and how your reads changed. Instead, you utterly refused to offer even a word of elaboration. That smacks far more of scum that doesn't really have a good explanation on hand than anything else.
Waste of time.
Even as scum my 'reads' have reasons, so that last bit simply isn't a possibility.
I obviously disagree. My questioning has a point, at least some of which should have been obvious by now. And you didn't 'explain' anything - you threw a bunch of paraphrased quotes in (completely cutting out the context, which was undoubtedly on purpose) and called them 'safe'. A fie in your general direction.
There's no obvious reason to disagree. Your early posts did not possess the dashing in-the-trenches nature Thor's (for example) did. You asked me to explain things instead of calling me scum. You used the logical structures I pointed out. If you think otherwise, you're wrong. Now that doesn't guarantee you're scum, but you have picked a silly viewpoint to argue.
Stating 'obvtown' players and then talking about yourself in the same context is like a bog standard marketing promotion technique. Not buying it.
And in any case, there's nothing at all that makes you 'obvtown'. Quite the opposite.
I feel obvtown, but if you can't see it that's on you. Get better?
Unless you're scum, in which case the town will all die. Riiight. If all players could just keep going 'keep going, I'll have all the scum for you tomorrow' the mafia would win every game.
You've declared Thor town and made not-very-veiled swipes at me. That's it.
You're not talking to DYH there like you think he's scum. Despite having him as third from the bottom on your list. The implication is that subconsciously you don't think he's scum - maybe because you're scum and his player name isn't in your PM.
Most people don't play the same way I do. I find it slightly easier to believe scum would respond to that particular statement btw.
What would be the point of veiling a swipe?
Oh no DYH is third from the bottom after two people I've admitted I'm not sure about on a list where everyone has a roughly 75% chance of being town; clearly he must be addressed as the enemy!
And now we shall depart from arguingderpland to our regularly scheduled actual hunting of scum.
I do hereby declare that Iso is not for lynching today!
He is sufficiently indignant, actually looking for scum, doesn't suffer from locked-reads syndrome, and pattern matches better as town than as scum. DYH voting Thor makes it more believable that somebody could read Thor and think he deserved a vote.
That puts me even further from being ready to lynch someone, but meh. It's not unexpected that the scum wouldn't be obvious in this game.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
With a little research, I suspect I know what Cyan is recalling [a scenario from Redux 2], and that reaction feels genuine and leads me to believe his knee-jerk vote of me is "I-don't-give-a-****" Cyan mode rather than scum-Cyan mode. He's playing completely different from that game or Survival Horror (where he was scum in both).
This coincides nicely with his acceptance of play styles I think he'd otherwise find reprehensible (Thor, Fate), insulting his own "team" (MTGS players), and being inattentive, which is actually most similar to Cyberspace where he was town.
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@llamarble: No, I don't think Iso is scum. I still think Thor is, but that's a fruitless pursuit since everyone's afraid of the big, bad bully.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The answer to this is probably going to come when I blow the lid off this popsicle stand. That time is not now.
Quote from "Cyouni" »
And I'm pretty sure you, of all people, have no right to judge me on that.
I don't like this.
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As for my suspicion of Nacho, he stopped posting, so my efforts focused on more prevalent personalities in the game that were also scummy.
Still here and still waiting for those other reasons.
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If so, you would have said that earlier. Your answer to me wouldn't have been "I wrote it last night", it would have been something like "it was a throwaway read I made 20 pages ago". You're just completely unable to give any reason for it, and trying to wave it away with this. Vote Aggressive_Fate.
What pushed you towards this vote? You were acting like you weren't gonna vote until you went through all of those games first.
With a little research, I suspect I know what Cyan is recalling [a scenario from Redux 2], and that reaction feels genuine and leads me to believe his knee-jerk vote of me is "I-don't-give-a-****" Cyan mode rather than scum-Cyan mode. He's playing completely different from that game or Survival Horror (where he was scum in both).
This coincides nicely with his acceptance of play styles I think he'd otherwise find reprehensible (Thor, Fate), insulting his own "team" (MTGS players), and being inattentive, which is actually most similar to Cyberspace where he was town.
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@llamarble: No, I don't think Iso is scum. I still think Thor is, but that's a fruitless pursuit since everyone's afraid of the big, bad bully.
I wouldn't say that I 'accept' the playstyles of people from MS. I would prefer a game where people don't act that way. And if they were planning on sticking around here, I would get into it with them. But they're not, so I just force myself to read through it. And when you do read through it, Thor is very clearly town. AF is not as clearly town, but he doesn't appear particularly scummy to me either.
And I wasn't trying to insult my own team, it's just amusing to me that the MSers generally appear more townie. I'm honestly concerned about this, because it is unlikely that every scum is on the MTGS side. And yet, the 3 people that I want to be voting right now are all MTGS folk.
Quick post - probably won't be available for a few days for a relative's funeral. Will try to get in some time to post tomorrow.
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Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I was hoping KoL would work a little better with Cyouni (it works from her end but Cyouni pointing out her liking a vote on a townread would be decent quality distancing). I feel like KoL should have more people who want to lynch her if she's town, but maybe we put the scumteam off that plan when we said 'this is ye standard DGB.'
I could not post for multiple days.
People are still too scared to grapefruit up and actually push a wagon for reals.
Indeed, all we are doing is standing around and declaring town reads...gosh, that is magical. I am happy you have a town read. Vote in the remainder somewhere pl0x.
Four players are not voting.
Half of them think I am scum, and could by the massive power of two people make one of the biggest wagons...and don't.
What is this gak?
I am going to start supporting any wagon that is big if other people cannot manage to, y'know, puzzle out the concept of using their vote and not being scummy.
Of course, maybe here expressing opinions is scummy - much like ever reacting in any way is.
Derp.
Random concept - having a strong opinion is not inherently being a bully.
You calling me a bully is just as bullying as anything I have done in this thread.
Am basically willing to lynch anyone now, give me a wagon with five people and I will support it.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm judging you because you're scum because of it, that's part of the game.
The difference between my low activity this game and your failure to follow through on something is just that:
I've made no false pretenses that I AM going to start "contributing" more frequently or more in depthly. I've flat out said I've had a hard time getting my head into this game and getting my teeth into somethign
YOU have said "oh wow look how townie im going to be and all these gamse im going to read!" but it jsut felt fake as ****, the sort of promise I KNEW you weren't going to follow through with.
Oh? I have seven-or-so games to read through, I specify I'm still reading them (because, you know, I don't have infinite time on my hands), and you're trying to pull that?
I called you out on it, and wow, excuses? Deflecting back to me about some half-assed Vi read of mine from 20 pages ago (I'm not voting Vi, which should show how strongly I ever felt about that read anyway)?
I know dodge is nice key word to sling around when trying to smear someone, but you're really just embarassing yourself.
I'm waiting for the MS crew to wake up because MTGS is just dick slappign around with eachother saying things like "Oh thats so unlike town you!" "NO its not what do you know about me!?"
So remind me.
You were voting Vi for a pretty significant time.
You talked so much about how you thought he (?) was scum.
You claimed to have backed it up and talked about it yesterday.
Yet you obviously cannot justify any of that.
"Some half-assed read"? You just said you were talking about why you thought Vi was scum. I question you on that, and your reaction is to instantly call it "some half-assed read".
You've been calling Vi scum since post #90. Post #130, #142, #163, (sort of) #189, and (apparently) #285 all have notes of it.
Furthermore, you were voting Vi (or attempting to, at least) until you decided to vote Iso based off some "bus" theory. And you kept calling Vi scum until I called you out on your reasons.
Yet suddenly, after all that, after you went "I told you already what my reasons were", after that's all you've been doing the whole game, it's just "some half-assed read"?
No. If so, you would have said that earlier. Your answer to me wouldn't have been "I wrote it last night", it would have been something like "it was a throwaway read I made 20 pages ago". You're just completely unable to give any reason for it, and trying to wave it away with this. Vote Aggressive_Fate.
LOL YES
THIS IS JUST WHAT I NEEDED.
Ill say it again: PLEASE TELL US YOUR IMPRESSIONS OF THOSE GAMES YOURE READING.
And here you are STILL harping on that Vi read. A vote made without even reading the game kept until I found something better. You can nitpick my posts all you want but it remains that I never SERIOUSLY made a case on Vi and later retro-explained that my reasons were independent of the game state (which Nacho even saw correctly BEFORE I posted it), and that my calling him scum was basically just to get a rise out of him and TRY to read him (to which he never reacted, which again tells me ****ING NOTHING VI)
Thor's vote against Iso inspired absolutely no one to go along with it. My vote against Iso(and his nonsense explanations to try and placate me) resulted in more people voting. Thor is not responsible for Iso's wagon. I am, and I say that regardless of Iso's alignment.
No thanks, how about you summarize it, so that I don't have to read through 14 walls of you and Thor's pointless bickering to try to find 2 lines of you talking about Iso. In the posts of yours that I did read, even the ones where you addressed Iso, you did so with as little effort as possible, and with even less direct involvement in his wagon.
His attitude is what it is. He's not going to change it for this game/series. So what can you really do about that?
This is pretty far from reality. I said what I needed to say about Iso. I voiced my skepticism toward his 'defense'. I had been assuming that he is going to get around to claiming/being forced to do so at some point, because that is how things go. There was no 'letting Thor lead the charge'. He isn't leading any charge, other than to argue with you. And I'm not particularly inclined to read that entire cluster of an argument, because I have a town read on Thor, and because your entire case on him, from what I DID read, is what I already stated.
Nice try, but no dice. When you A)act like scum and B)particularly don't act like your town-self, you are only ever going to get one reaction out of me, and you know it.
And you cannot deny that this happen, because your response acknowledges exactly that it did. Thanks for making it easy, scum.
Firstly, I'm not voting you anymore.
Secondly, in what universe does that argument obligate you to be town?
Well, considering Vi voted Iso for ... "I'm not quite sure meta" but quoted llamarble in the process, and Kami clearly sheeped Thor - I still disagree with you. Also consider that Thor has been a much larger presence in this game than you.
I am absolutely convinced you have not read this thread. If anything, I've said more about the Iso wagon than anyone not named Thor. Additionally, I linked a post for you already.
This line of discussion is going in a big circle.
"You have a problem with his attitude."
"Yes, but that's not why I'm voting him, here's why."
"You have a problem with his attitude, he's not going to change it."
...
No, it's not pretty far from reality - it is reality. You are a non-factor. A complete non-entity this game, and it is completely out of character for you.
It feels like there are three people playing this game - you are not one of them.
Also, when you dismiss my entire debate with Thor as a "cluster of an argument" and then proceed to claim you have a "town read" on him, you're going to have to excuse my skepticism.
Deny what happened? That I poked the bear? Absolutely. I wanted to get a read on you. You responded by voting me. This does not bode well for your alignment.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Thor was totally important to the Iso wagon though >_>
Please answer this question.
My general impression is that you've completely dodged my question to you. This one:
On a slightly more relevant note, I'm still reading, but I'm going to Unvote Vierni.
I was mainly referencing myself, though the Gricky one is actually better.
I'm relatively sure that the majority of this has been going on for a while now. What changed?
I'd like some thoughts re: DYH from other MTGS folks.
Explanation =/= placation.
Why would my alignment matter?
Did you suddenly become DRey?
Bad vibes from your phrasing in this whole post. It reads forced.
Bus fight?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I meant you general impressions of those games you were "OH SO EXCITED TY FOR LINKS" to read. Read fake as **** to me and OH LOOK you didn't read a single page DID YOU?
I explained why I thgouht Vi was scum last night too. So this is more empty posting "you're ignoring me u is scum let me post about post"
Unvote:
Vote: Cyouni
ISo can wait this guy is BLATANTLY scum.
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
When someone makes a point against you that even you admit is correct, you are definitely going to try to placate them. Not sure why you're arguing this point.
Because it's easy to claim responsibility for someone's alignment if they ultimately flip scum. It means more to do so when you're not sure what their alignment is ultimately going to be.
A)Please don't insult me.
B)Sometimes, when you have a person on their backfoot, it's best to keep them there.
Because I was agreeing with you. I put way too much thought into the post and it showed. That doesn't make me scum.
But my point is, why make this statement at all? Anyone can see that you're wanting responsibility for the push on me.
A. It's just something I'd expect him to say.
B. Saying, "Thanks for making it easy, scum," is supposed to keep a player as experienced as DYH on his back foot? Please, Cyan, tell me the real reason why you felt the need to force that last line.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sometimes, the best thing to do to a person is to tilt them, you know? Though you have largely ruined this effort now anyway. So thanks for that.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
Additionally, the manner in which you are 'defending him but not really' is very curious.
@AF: DYH *and* Iso are better candidates for voting than Cyouni.
You've fulfilled meta research requests before, have you not? After all, you've mentioned recently that your tendency to rely on meta to determine a player's mindset has been hampering your ability to look past that and into your behavior. So if you're so sure about DYH, why not cite an example of you performing a similar tactic and him going on tilt as scum as a result?
Then be curious and ask me questions. I think you're both scum at this point, which I made pretty apparent by my busing comment a few posts ago.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Wait, you're saying that you legit. think that DYH and I are both scum?
yep
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Explain.
Also, people, just look at this.
llamarble isn't showing any interest in any of today's major suspects - he's barely even commented on Iso or Cyouni, even, and when he has it's been extremely brief and in terms that even 'non-committal' would be an understatement to describe.
Instead, the only strong read he's expressed has been to roundly proclaim Thor town, and the only person he's attacked at all today has been me - a target who it should be obvious is not going to be the lynch today, and who, obviously not at all coincidentally, is the only person who thinks he's scum. On top of that, he's doing it in a passive-aggressive way, sniping every second post or so, but never actually really committing.
This is active-lurking at its 'finest'. It's additionally ironic that one of his snipes is accusing me of being 'safe' and 'peripheral' when a look at his posts this game should make it obvious that those two words describe him more than just about anyone else this game.
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@llamarble
So what does that mean for your opinion of Iso anyway, hm?
If you were town, I don't see what in blazes would be so difficult about (even briefly) explaining why and how your reads changed. Instead, you utterly refused to offer even a word of elaboration. That smacks far more of scum that doesn't really have a good explanation on hand than anything else.
I obviously disagree. My questioning has a point, at least some of which should have been obvious by now. And you didn't 'explain' anything - you threw a bunch of paraphrased quotes in (completely cutting out the context, which was undoubtedly on purpose) and called them 'safe'. A fie in your general direction.
Stating 'obvtown' players and then talking about yourself in the same context is like a bog standard marketing promotion technique. Not buying it.
And in any case, there's nothing at all that makes you 'obvtown'. Quite the opposite.
Unless you're scum, in which case the town will all die. Riiight. If all players could just keep going 'keep going, I'll have all the scum for you tomorrow' the mafia would win every game.
As I noted above, you've volunteered basically no opinion on the major wagons of today. You've declared Thor town and made not-very-veiled swipes at me. That's it.
You're not talking to DYH there like you think he's scum. Despite having him as third from the bottom on your list. The implication is that subconsciously you don't think he's scum - maybe because you're scum and his player name isn't in your PM.
@Cyouni
Still a rather careful response, though.
To that I say that if we're really as good players as we're supposed to be, that should balance out in the end - especially if, as I said, we don't actually stop looking at each side's posts.
....mmh. Fair enough. It still seems odd that the target of said vote never entered your thought process, though, and that your response to me talking about it later wasn't 'I didn't think of that, that strengthens my point' but more a 'that's a really good point, yes'.
@Iso
Specifically, the way he brought up MGMafia to attack you with. Seems a bit over the top to be a bus.
....seriously? Things like Nacho voting Vierni after posting points on DYH, and continuing to stretch that out even though you clearly don't seem terribly suspicious of Nacho now. (For reference, while what Nacho did doesn't make sense as town, it doesn't really make much sense as scum either, so, as for Thor, I'm more inclined to think it just doesn't make sense in general.) It's like you're just poking at anything and everything that sticks out.
@Cyan
Ahem. Persona Mafia. Where you continued for ages to accuse DYH as the serial killer because he was Yagami Light and you were L, the cop.
....and yes, we were all town in that game.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
And I'm pretty sure you, of all people, have no right to judge me on that.
Oh, really?
What did you say, exactly?
Let's see.
"insufferable"
"eagerness for you to be scum"
"insufferable"
"went more in my favour than yours"
Huh. I could swear there's not a single word about your reasons in there (unless insufferable is your reason, then that's just stupid).
So stop dodging the question and answer.
I'm agreeing with you here, but I'm also saving it for when I'm actually done going through all the games linked to me.
I'm also quite wary of the possible dangers.
Then that defeats the whole point of splitting it up, at which point we might as well proceed as we're doing now. In the case of all the scum being on one side, we gain nothing and stand the possibility of losing quite a bit. Low enough chance that I'm willing to risk it, however.
Noting here that I was referencing that as town behaviour.
Things happened between when I posted my T/S list and when I posted that just then.
You're reading the game, right?
Do you think Cyouni and/or I are scum? (Addendum upon reading Cyouni's post: What Cyouni said.)
I'm pretty sure I've seen scum do it before, so...moot point. As for poking at anything and everything that sticks out, just call me dC-lite. As for my suspicion of Nacho, he stopped posting, so my efforts focused on more prevalent personalities in the game that were also scummy.
As for llamarble, I think his arguments are weak and I'd like to see him provide REAL content.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The difference between my low activity this game and your failure to follow through on something is just that:
I've made no false pretenses that I AM going to start "contributing" more frequently or more in depthly. I've flat out said I've had a hard time getting my head into this game and getting my teeth into somethign
YOU have said "oh wow look how townie im going to be and all these gamse im going to read!" but it jsut felt fake as ****, the sort of promise I KNEW you weren't going to follow through with.
I called you out on it, and wow, excuses? Deflecting back to me about some half-assed Vi read of mine from 20 pages ago (I'm not voting Vi, which should show how strongly I ever felt about that read anyway)?
I know dodge is nice key word to sling around when trying to smear someone, but you're really just embarassing yourself.
I'm waiting for the MS crew to wake up because MTGS is just dick slappign around with eachother saying things like "Oh thats so unlike town you!" "NO its not what do you know about me!?"
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
Which I find surprising, given that MS's postcount surpasses MTGS's in this game, even with me having 10 more posts than Thor.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So remind me.
You were voting Vi for a pretty significant time.
You talked so much about how you thought he (?) was scum.
You claimed to have backed it up and talked about it yesterday.
Yet you obviously cannot justify any of that.
"Some half-assed read"? You just said you were talking about why you thought Vi was scum. I question you on that, and your reaction is to instantly call it "some half-assed read".
You've been calling Vi scum since post #90. Post #130, #142, #163, (sort of) #189, and (apparently) #285 all have notes of it.
Furthermore, you were voting Vi (or attempting to, at least) until you decided to vote Iso based off some "bus" theory. And you kept calling Vi scum until I called you out on your reasons.
Yet suddenly, after all that, after you went "I told you already what my reasons were", after that's all you've been doing the whole game, it's just "some half-assed read"?
No. If so, you would have said that earlier. Your answer to me wouldn't have been "I wrote it last night", it would have been something like "it was a throwaway read I made 20 pages ago". You're just completely unable to give any reason for it, and trying to wave it away with this. Vote Aggressive_Fate.
APparently, they are much better at being/appearing town than you guys are.
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Show of hands (or wings, or other appendages): Who here thinks Iso is scum? A Y/N will do.
I have both shown interest in and spent time reading those players. Unfortunately I have not reached a conclusive result, but oh hey, it looks like I said I'd spend my next time chunk on vetting out the ISO / Cyouni wagons.
I don't push when I'm not ready, and I'm not ready yet. If I do decide you're scum we'll see how long that 'obviously not going to be the lynch today' lasts.
I don't think safe describes my posting this game. Admitting difficulties reaching a conclusion instead of picking somebody and armoring a vote on them with a couple decent sounding reasons is not 'safe.' DGAF seems like a much better word. Peripheral? I suppose until I feel I've found the thread of the game that's sorta where I sit, though I've at least made a few useful stirring gestures in my 4x as many posts as you.
It's a reason he might be scum, as you probably could've guessed.
Waste of time.
Even as scum my 'reads' have reasons, so that last bit simply isn't a possibility.
There's no obvious reason to disagree. Your early posts did not possess the dashing in-the-trenches nature Thor's (for example) did. You asked me to explain things instead of calling me scum. You used the logical structures I pointed out. If you think otherwise, you're wrong. Now that doesn't guarantee you're scum, but you have picked a silly viewpoint to argue.
I feel obvtown, but if you can't see it that's on you. Get better?
Most people don't play the same way I do. I find it slightly easier to believe scum would respond to that particular statement btw.
What would be the point of veiling a swipe?
Oh no DYH is third from the bottom after two people I've admitted I'm not sure about on a list where everyone has a roughly 75% chance of being town; clearly he must be addressed as the enemy!
And now we shall depart from arguingderpland to our regularly scheduled actual hunting of scum.
He is sufficiently indignant, actually looking for scum, doesn't suffer from locked-reads syndrome, and pattern matches better as town than as scum. DYH voting Thor makes it more believable that somebody could read Thor and think he deserved a vote.
That puts me even further from being ready to lynch someone, but meh. It's not unexpected that the scum wouldn't be obvious in this game.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Cyouni - 3 - Llamarble, Vierni, Aggressive_Fate - (L-4)
Iso - 2 - Thor665, Kami of Lunacy - (L-5)
Aggressive_Fate - 1 - Nachomamma8 - (L-6)
Llamarble - 1 - desCoures - (L-6)
Nachomamma8 - 1 - Voxxicus - (L-6)
Cyan - 1 - DYH
Players not voting: Cyan, Cyouni, Iso
Have a couple strong town reads, and everyone else is just kind of flailing around in the Not Town cluster.
This coincides nicely with his acceptance of play styles I think he'd otherwise find reprehensible (Thor, Fate), insulting his own "team" (MTGS players), and being inattentive, which is actually most similar to Cyberspace where he was town.
Unvote
@llamarble: No, I don't think Iso is scum. I still think Thor is, but that's a fruitless pursuit since everyone's afraid of the big, bad bully.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The answer to this is probably going to come when I blow the lid off this popsicle stand. That time is not now.
I don't like this.
Still here and still waiting for those other reasons.
What pushed you towards this vote? You were acting like you weren't gonna vote until you went through all of those games first.
I wouldn't say that I 'accept' the playstyles of people from MS. I would prefer a game where people don't act that way. And if they were planning on sticking around here, I would get into it with them. But they're not, so I just force myself to read through it. And when you do read through it, Thor is very clearly town. AF is not as clearly town, but he doesn't appear particularly scummy to me either.
And I wasn't trying to insult my own team, it's just amusing to me that the MSers generally appear more townie. I'm honestly concerned about this, because it is unlikely that every scum is on the MTGS side. And yet, the 3 people that I want to be voting right now are all MTGS folk.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Llamarble - Shouldn't you wait for Goofball to post before drawing conclusions?
@Vierni: I didn't make the quote above; Cyan did.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
People are still too scared to grapefruit up and actually push a wagon for reals.
Indeed, all we are doing is standing around and declaring town reads...gosh, that is magical. I am happy you have a town read. Vote in the remainder somewhere pl0x.
Four players are not voting.
Half of them think I am scum, and could by the massive power of two people make one of the biggest wagons...and don't.
What is this gak?
I am going to start supporting any wagon that is big if other people cannot manage to, y'know, puzzle out the concept of using their vote and not being scummy.
Of course, maybe here expressing opinions is scummy - much like ever reacting in any way is.
Derp.
Shocking.
You calling me a bully is just as bullying as anything I have done in this thread.
Am basically willing to lynch anyone now, give me a wagon with five people and I will support it.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
LOL YES
THIS IS JUST WHAT I NEEDED.
Ill say it again: PLEASE TELL US YOUR IMPRESSIONS OF THOSE GAMES YOURE READING.
And here you are STILL harping on that Vi read. A vote made without even reading the game kept until I found something better. You can nitpick my posts all you want but it remains that I never SERIOUSLY made a case on Vi and later retro-explained that my reasons were independent of the game state (which Nacho even saw correctly BEFORE I posted it), and that my calling him scum was basically just to get a rise out of him and TRY to read him (to which he never reacted, which again tells me ****ING NOTHING VI)
TLDR: LOL NICE DRESSED UP OMGUS SCUM
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."