Eh...Cyan, Voxx, desCourtes, and Vi...it's not strong on any of them, really, but let's toss them on the list just to give you something to work with. I feel even the MS gang is playing this cautious probably because everyone has their panties in a bunch because we're representing and being scored and whatnot.
Would like your explanations on Voxx and Vi if you don't mind. I think I'll look deeper into Voxx and DC after I'm done with this catchup though.
Come on, honestly. Is this really normal behavior for Nacho? His posts are soooo scummy. His behavior thus far has been horrendous. His vote on Iso was bad, his 'indication' toward Vi getting voted was bad(especially given how quickly he recanted it). Now he's voting AF, based on..no actual points, just some logic that is so faulty that I would rather believe it is dishonest.
But at the same time..I still don't want to let Iso off of the hook. Cyouni isn't inspiring any confidence in me either.
What's faulty about the logic? I'm voting him because I don't think he's playing to his normal town play; I wouldn't expect you to freak out about that.
Isn't your Vi scum case hinged on how she's reacting to presumed buddy Iso?
Don't start pulling the MtG crowd spiel of 'Player A suspects Player B, A is scummy for how they're pushing B who is town, B is townish because A is scum pushing them Catch-twenty-derp thing.
That's not why he thinks Vi is scum. Hell if I know the actual reason, but that isn't it.
So why did you think Vi was scum?
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Did you miss my reasoning for this, or was it not adequate for you?
[QUOTE=Thor665;/comments/12581662]@Anyone - who thinks they can describe any of Iso's reads right now?
I can!
Though frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if people forgot who I was even voting for at this point due to the overwhelming amount of walls of garbage they would have to wade through in my posts, courtesy of the quotes from your posts in my own.
I sort of vaguely remember you voting me, but I don't remember any of those reasons you people love so much.
Fate - I hesitate to pronounce a read on him without much info (I'd say he's the best scum player of the MS crew and one of the best town players), but he's off to a good start.
Voxx - I can follow his line of thought. Seems like a good player.
Can you reconcile these? Given that Nacho is my strongest scum read, and you can follow my line of thought (which has mostly been pertaining to Nacho), can you explain your Nacho read in a bit more detail? Why is he unequivocally town?
I am having less trouble seeing Voxx as town with posts like this.
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@Iso 243 - It's what, y'know, virtually everyone else has picked up on here. If you're going to vote on procedure and bad logic then you're going to vote mafiascum every time.
Good thing that's not what I'm basing my vote on?
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But more importantly, I think it's worth noting that the number of people here ready to vote Thor consists of... you. You're quite Isolated in that regard. Would you care to fix that one way or another?
Well, I see DYH is also on board with me, so that's one for the cause. As far as I can tell, however, it should be readily apparent why I'm voting Thor - his arguments have been soundly rebutted, he has proven that he cherry picks which parts of my responses he wishes to address, he misrepresents what I'm saying nearly incessantly, and he continues to push. There is no possible way anyone can be that dense - ergo, he must be faking it, ergo, he is scum. Unless you're trying to suggest that Thor is town and intentionally pushing a bad wagon because it's what he gets off on - which wouldn't surprise me. That said, if he's trying to get reactions and votes to analyze based off of my wagon, then he's long overdue on posting anything useful in that regard. Therefore, I think we can reasonably discount that possibility. The way I see it, Thor recognizes that he's dug himself into a hole by pushing me so hard when my lynch isn't going to happen and to save face and appear town he's continuing to push it to the point of where it's beating a dead horse to "show conviction" instead of waffling on his "strongest scum read" once the wagon comes to a halt. Instead of allowing the other players to breathe and think, he's causing a huge diversion to drown out all other hopes of productive conversation/scumhunting in hopes that the suffocating brains of everyone who's had the misfortune to read his quote walls will put an end to it by voting for me.
I would know, I did that as scum to Tom in Unseen University Mafia.
There is no town motive here.
Related: I've decided I'm not going to respond to Thor. It's not worth the deep rage that wells within me every time I see his avatar.
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Using an iPad in Vietnam, so less walls and, yes, I saw the request for game links but copy pasta seems annoying right now. Any fellow MSer ought to be able to easily provide that for me if there is a demand.
Also, timeline.
1 Iso make many statements about Thor.
2 Thor demands quotes to back up statements.
3 Iso declares he will no longer read (and respond, we presume) to Thor posts.
Y'know, that seems telling to me. Just saying. Hope it is not too subtle.
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Iso, I don't think you understand what I'm saying. There isn't enough pressure on the mafiascum side to lynch Thor Today, unless I'm mistaken. You're either best off actively convincing someone else to move to Thor, or finding someplace else to go yourself. My recommendation should be obvious.
Why is that scummy? Do you think that I typed up a case on DYH and forgot that I typed up a case on DYH?
Because it shows a disconnect in your mindset. Why bother casing DYH instead of explaining your Vierni vote? Why vote Vierni if you want people to suspect DYH?
Iso, I don't think you understand what I'm saying. There isn't enough pressure on the mafiascum side to lynch Thor Today, unless I'm mistaken. You're either best off actively convincing someone else to move to Thor, or finding someplace else to go yourself. My recommendation should be obvious.
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[QUOTE=Vierni;/comments/12582328]Iso, I don't think you understand what I'm saying. There isn't enough pressure on the mafiascum side to lynch Thor Today, unless I'm mistaken. You're either best off actively convincing someone else to move to Thor, or finding someplace else to go yourself. My recommendation should be obvious.
His case also lacks even one example of his supposed dozen of irrefutable Thor lies and misreps and whatever else I asked him to provide quotes for. Because, y'know, you wouldn't want to include that stuff in a case. Not even one, even if the case is based on the claim that stuff happened.
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Which is also why I'm not a fan of Cyouni's and Voxxicus' cautious disapproval of this suggestion... that, I note, in both cases stops short of an outright no.
I swear I said it's a good idea, given all that's going on now is just a back-and-forth.
Why would all the scum being on one side make this suggestion 'not reasonable'?
Under perfect circumstances, nothing.
However, that suggestion assumes that the scum are spread between the two sides. In the cases that they aren't, one side's hunting for something that isn't there, while the other side has a completely equal balance of town/scum. I don't see much getting done in that scenario. One side's hunting for something that doesn't exist. The other side doesn't even have a majority over the scum, and that's going to distort anything they come up with.
Like I said, under perfect circumstances it'd be fine. But under perfect circumstances, there would be a need for this at all.
...which is barely a point at all. What gives? I initially thought you said that because it didn't make logical sense when Vierni unvoted DYH to vote Thor, but if you just asked that question without that as a consideration then we have a problem here.
It didn't make logical sense how unvoting one person gives another control of an unrelated wagon. Even if you take out the target of the vote, it still doesn't make logical sense.
Isn't your Vi scum case hinged on how she's reacting to presumed buddy Iso?
Don't start pulling the MtG crowd spiel of 'Player A suspects Player B, A is scummy for how they're pushing B who is town, B is townish because A is scum pushing them Catch-twenty-derp thing.
That's not why he thinks Vi is scum. Hell if I know the actual reason, but that isn't it.
So why did you think Vi was scum?
Did you miss my reasoning for this, or was it not adequate for you?
Inadequate. You fail to explain why that would make her (?) scum. One would assume that Vi would post like Vi as scum as well.
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Why is that scummy? Do you think that I typed up a case on DYH and forgot that I typed up a case on DYH?
Because it shows a disconnect in your mindset. Why bother casing DYH instead of explaining your Vierni vote? Why vote Vierni if you want people to suspect DYH?
I wasn't casing DYH; I was tossing my opinion of him into the wild blue yonder. My vote on Vi was to sort Vi; my playstyle differs from Thor's in that sometimes I like to take time to sort things out and don't always need people to sheep me right away. I see that you could see a disconnect in posting a case on someone and then voting someone else, yes. I'm having trouble seeing what you thought my motivation as scum in that instance was.
As for the banter back-and-forth comment where you said I'd "figure it out in 10 pages" or whatever, it does appear that you stopped answering Iso's threadnaughts first with that very post I linked and asked you to respond to. Am I missing something?
Using an iPad in Vietnam, so less walls and, yes, I saw the request for game links but copy pasta seems annoying right now. Any fellow MSer ought to be able to easily provide that for me if there is a demand.
Also, timeline.
1 Iso make many statements about Thor.
2 Thor demands quotes to back up statements.
3 Iso declares he will no longer read (and respond, we presume) to Thor posts.
Y'know, that seems telling to me. Just saying. Hope it is not too subtle.
Then see question above.
@Iso: Why do you think that is out of character for Cyouni?
As for the banter back-and-forth comment where you said I'd "figure it out in 10 pages" or whatever, it does appear that you stopped answering Iso's threadnaughts first with that very post I linked and asked you to respond to. Am I missing something?
I haven't seen an answer ?
I think you are missing something because,
1. I did answer it when asked.
2. You asked me to answer it only because I indicated it would be so easy to - and you didn't follow up on it so I sorta presume you agree.
3. If that is the extent of Iso's complaint that I am not answering him then I would like to think you would agree it is a weak complaint and thus strange he keeps bringing it up as though it means something.
4. I asked him to link me to anything I had not answered, he then backed off that line of attack and clarified it as 'not answered sufficiently' I then asked for an example of that and promised to answer better...he then wimped out of trying. So do you think he is serious here? Because even if he is then he has clearly not cared to have his questions answered - sorta proving my point that he is not scum hunting, yeah?
Why is that scummy? Do you think that I typed up a case on DYH and forgot that I typed up a case on DYH?
Because it shows a disconnect in your mindset. Why bother casing DYH instead of explaining your Vierni vote? Why vote Vierni if you want people to suspect DYH?
I wasn't casing DYH; I was tossing my opinion of him into the wild blue yonder. My vote on Vi was to sort Vi; my playstyle differs from Thor's in that sometimes I like to take time to sort things out and don't always need people to sheep me right away. I see that you could see a disconnect in posting a case on someone and then voting someone else, yes. I'm having trouble seeing what you thought my motivation as scum in that instance was.
The problem is that if someone decides DYH is scum as a result of your case and DYH gets lynched and flips town, that person is held accountable for the wagon because they started it. I don't see any point to "throwing your opinion out" if you don't plan to act on it unless you're weighing the idea to see how people react to it. It's scummy, period.
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Inadequate. You fail to explain why that would make her (?) scum. One would assume that Vi would post like Vi as scum as well.
MY experiences with Vi are with Vi-town, not Vi-scum. When Vi is not feeling like Vi, he's feeling different from my town baseline of her and that's a problem.
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The problem is that if someone decides DYH is scum as a result of your case and DYH gets lynched and flips town, that person is held accountable for the wagon because they started it. I don't see any point to "throwing your opinion out" if you don't plan to act on it unless you're weighing the idea to see how people react to it. It's scummy, period.
If someone decides DYH is scum as a result of MY case, I am also held accountable because it is MY case. I still started the wagon even if my vote wasn't the first vote on it. Your case on me is based on an inconsistency, sure, but it seems to favor that inconsistency over basic logic and you seem to assume that everyone else in this game is stupid. Do you have anything else in your case on me?
Fate is the best player represented as both alignments? (though this is not nearly as much of an issue as)
Why do you have more concrete examples pertinent to voting Cyouni than the person you're calling most likely scum? You even went out of your way to emphasize how Iso's posts are alignment-neutral.
I mean seriously Vi do you HAVE to go out of your way to be so insufferable? Nacho is right about my read on you, its got **** to do with ISO (though trying to link you comes from my eagerness for you to be scum)
you go out of your way to be as ****ing insufferable as possible i swear.
I feel like finding a game where we were both in and shoving it in your face because i'm sure that it went more in my favor than yours
The problem is that if someone decides DYH is scum as a result of your case and DYH gets lynched and flips town, that person is held accountable for the wagon because they started it. I don't see any point to "throwing your opinion out" if you don't plan to act on it unless you're weighing the idea to see how people react to it. It's scummy, period.
If someone decides DYH is scum as a result of MY case, I am also held accountable because it is MY case. I still started the wagon even if my vote wasn't the first vote on it. Your case on me is based on an inconsistency, sure, but it seems to favor that inconsistency over basic logic and you seem to assume that everyone else in this game is stupid. Do you have anything else in your case on me?
...to which you can say, "Oh, I just THOUGHT he was scum, it's not my fault you guys followed my case on that!"
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...dead tired. Won't post much today - will do proper replies tomorrow.
Vaguely annoyed that no one is paying attention to llamarble.
Not a fan of the way Iso appears to be harping on technical details more than anything else.
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I'm sorry I didn't get to do my second big pass this weekend; I wasn't really feeling sharp enough to scumhunt well yesterday. I'll make time tomorrow though.
I do have good news though, I'm able to tell Cyan and Cyouni apart now. the former being town and the latter being iso's buddy helped a bit
Other than the couple of people who suspect Thor for derpy reasons, this seems to be the consensus attitude. I'll focus on vetting that out. I don't get the general lack of interest in descoures though.
People who are voting Thor: he's been very active and useful and shown all the good townie attitudes. Whether or not he's right about Iso his reads aren't farfetched.
Especially regarding that series of posts from Fate - it was all rather pointless. It feels like a lot of his stuff has been that way- I can't remember anything specific he's done. Very high noise-to-content ratio based on the number of posts. Is this typical?
I also continue to be unimpressed by Cyan who hasn't done much outside of voting Iso and sniping at Nacho. Posting way less frequently than normal, as well.
It's evident I'm not swaying anyone on Thor at this point.
Especially regarding that series of posts from Fate - it was all rather pointless. It feels like a lot of his stuff has been that way- I can't remember anything specific he's done. Very high noise-to-content ratio based on the number of posts. Is this typical?
I also continue to be unimpressed by Cyan who hasn't done much outside of voting Iso and sniping at Nacho. Posting way less frequently than normal, as well.
It's evident I'm not swaying anyone on Thor at this point.
Unvote, Vote: Cyan
Convince me I'm wrong about you.
What a scummy post. First, you effectively ignored the entire Iso wagon because 'Thor was leading it'. But Thor was never leading it. I made the most relevant point against Iso, and Iso himself acknowledged my behavior against him as town. And you never addressed any other points that anyone else brought up against him, from what I could tell.
Furthermore, you spent a TON of time trying to get a wagon on Thor based essentially on 'I don't like his attitude', despite multiple people(from both MS and MTGS) stating that we think he is overwhelmingly town.
And then when that didn't work out, you moved onto me, based on effectively nothing. I've been 'sniping' at Nacho because his behavior is scummy, but in a way that could just be his playstyle. And from what I've gotten from what other MS people have said regarding him, he acts this way regardless of alignment. So I haven't made a move against him because of that, but this doesn't change the fact that his behavior IS inherently scummy.
Lastly, town DYH doesn't say things like 'convince me that I'm wrong'.
I mean seriously Vi do you HAVE to go out of your way to be so insufferable? Nacho is right about my read on you, its got **** to do with ISO (though trying to link you comes from my eagerness for you to be scum)
you go out of your way to be as ****ing insufferable as possible i swear.
I feel like finding a game where we were both in and shoving it in your face because i'm sure that it went more in my favor than yours
One moment as I step out of the game.
I apologize for the sizeable lapse in tact I fell into in asking that question without considering how it could have been taken. This isn't the time or the place to be making those kinds of remarks in general, looking at what I've been saying so far this game.
(As for being insufferable, that's one of those things where I acknowledge it's going to happen anyway and don't try very hard to mitigate it. At least you get smiley happy cloud birds?)
What a scummy post. First, you effectively ignored the entire Iso wagon because 'Thor was leading it'. But Thor was never leading it. I made the most relevant point against Iso, and Iso himself acknowledged my behavior against him as town. And you never addressed any other points that anyone else brought up against him, from what I could tell.
Thor's vote against Iso came before you made that point.
And I've ignored the Iso wagon? Have you even been reading the thread? You really need to go back and re-read my posts.
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Furthermore, you spent a TON of time trying to get a wagon on Thor based essentially on 'I don't like his attitude', despite multiple people(from both MS and MTGS) stating that we think he is overwhelmingly town.
No, I don't like Thor's attitude one bit. I'm not terribly surprised you do, but I suspect you'd find it super-annoying if you were either leading a charge against him (me) or being hounded by him (Iso). But no, that's not the case I had against him. Again, that's been covered multiple times in my posts, but as a reminder - it all stemmed from his reaction during RVS.
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And then when that didn't work out, you moved onto me, based on effectively nothing. I've been 'sniping' at Nacho because his behavior is scummy, but in a way that could just be his playstyle. And from what I've gotten from what other MS people have said regarding him, he acts this way regardless of alignment. So I haven't made a move against him because of that, but this doesn't change the fact that his behavior IS inherently scummy.
No, what is "nothing" is effectively what you've contributed to this game. You've sat on the sidelines, sniping at people and letting Thor lead the charge. This is not town Cyan.
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Lastly, town DYH doesn't say things like 'convince me that I'm wrong'.
He does when he's trying to get a rise out of you. Apparently it worked.
A little, but only because I was robbed of my chance to lead a glorious VIscum lynch first day of the first game of this thing
Would like your explanations on Voxx and Vi if you don't mind. I think I'll look deeper into Voxx and DC after I'm done with this catchup though.
What's faulty about the logic? I'm voting him because I don't think he's playing to his normal town play; I wouldn't expect you to freak out about that.
I sort of vaguely remember you voting me, but I don't remember any of those reasons you people love so much.
Talk to me about his good start.
I am having less trouble seeing Voxx as town with posts like this.
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Official Vote Count
Players needed to lynch: 7
Iso - 4 - Thor665, Cyan, Kami of Lunacy, Aggressive_Fate - (L-3)
Thor665 - 2 - DYH, Iso - (L-5)
Cyouni - 2 - Llamarble, Vierni - (L-5)
Aggressive_Fate - 1 - Nachomamma8 - (L-6)
Llamarble - 1 - desCoures - (L-6)
Nachomamma8 - 1 - Voxxicus - (L-6)
Vierni - 1 - Cyouni - (L-6)
Players not voting: None
Aggressive_Fate has been prodded.
Good thing that's not what I'm basing my vote on?
Well, I see DYH is also on board with me, so that's one for the cause. As far as I can tell, however, it should be readily apparent why I'm voting Thor - his arguments have been soundly rebutted, he has proven that he cherry picks which parts of my responses he wishes to address, he misrepresents what I'm saying nearly incessantly, and he continues to push. There is no possible way anyone can be that dense - ergo, he must be faking it, ergo, he is scum. Unless you're trying to suggest that Thor is town and intentionally pushing a bad wagon because it's what he gets off on - which wouldn't surprise me. That said, if he's trying to get reactions and votes to analyze based off of my wagon, then he's long overdue on posting anything useful in that regard. Therefore, I think we can reasonably discount that possibility. The way I see it, Thor recognizes that he's dug himself into a hole by pushing me so hard when my lynch isn't going to happen and to save face and appear town he's continuing to push it to the point of where it's beating a dead horse to "show conviction" instead of waffling on his "strongest scum read" once the wagon comes to a halt. Instead of allowing the other players to breathe and think, he's causing a huge diversion to drown out all other hopes of productive conversation/scumhunting in hopes that the suffocating brains of everyone who's had the misfortune to read his quote walls will put an end to it by voting for me.
I would know, I did that as scum to Tom in Unseen University Mafia.
There is no town motive here.
Related: I've decided I'm not going to respond to Thor. It's not worth the deep rage that wells within me every time I see his avatar.
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Also, timeline.
1 Iso make many statements about Thor.
2 Thor demands quotes to back up statements.
3 Iso declares he will no longer read (and respond, we presume) to Thor posts.
Y'know, that seems telling to me. Just saying. Hope it is not too subtle.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The read on you came before the read on Iso, and town Fate would have reasons for you being scum on your own merits.
Iso, why were you voting me before?
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=25712 - Scum Nacho, Town Vi, Town Llamarble
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23781 - Town Nacho, Town Thor
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=23795 - Town Nacho, Scum Fate, Scum Kami (her name on MS is DrippingGoofball)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=22659 - Town Nacho, Town Fate
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=21916 - Scum Nacho, Scum Llamarble
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26421 - Town Nacho, Town DGB (I replaced in)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23773 - Town Nacho, Scum Thor
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=23930 - Town Thor, Scum Vi (Vi was in a hydra with another player at that point but this is pretty much the only game I know where Vi was scum)
No, they aren't.
Because it shows a disconnect in your mindset. Why bother casing DYH instead of explaining your Vierni vote? Why vote Vierni if you want people to suspect DYH?
ok bro
I just gave a summary of the case on Thor.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Then maybe you should read it.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I swear I said it's a good idea, given all that's going on now is just a back-and-forth.
Under perfect circumstances, nothing.
However, that suggestion assumes that the scum are spread between the two sides. In the cases that they aren't, one side's hunting for something that isn't there, while the other side has a completely equal balance of town/scum. I don't see much getting done in that scenario. One side's hunting for something that doesn't exist. The other side doesn't even have a majority over the scum, and that's going to distort anything they come up with.
Like I said, under perfect circumstances it'd be fine. But under perfect circumstances, there would be a need for this at all.
It didn't make logical sense how unvoting one person gives another control of an unrelated wagon. Even if you take out the target of the vote, it still doesn't make logical sense.
Inadequate. You fail to explain why that would make her (?) scum. One would assume that Vi would post like Vi as scum as well.
Time for a lot of reading.
With Gricky? Or do you mean the Arcadic incident?
This seems a little out of character for you.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
I wasn't casing DYH; I was tossing my opinion of him into the wild blue yonder. My vote on Vi was to sort Vi; my playstyle differs from Thor's in that sometimes I like to take time to sort things out and don't always need people to sheep me right away. I see that you could see a disconnect in posting a case on someone and then voting someone else, yes. I'm having trouble seeing what you thought my motivation as scum in that instance was.
I haven't seen an answer to this.
If that's what this was supposed to be:
Then see question above.
@Iso: Why do you think that is out of character for Cyouni?
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I think you are missing something because,
1. I did answer it when asked.
2. You asked me to answer it only because I indicated it would be so easy to - and you didn't follow up on it so I sorta presume you agree.
3. If that is the extent of Iso's complaint that I am not answering him then I would like to think you would agree it is a weak complaint and thus strange he keeps bringing it up as though it means something.
4. I asked him to link me to anything I had not answered, he then backed off that line of attack and clarified it as 'not answered sufficiently' I then asked for an example of that and promised to answer better...he then wimped out of trying. So do you think he is serious here? Because even if he is then he has clearly not cared to have his questions answered - sorta proving my point that he is not scum hunting, yeah?
The problem is that if someone decides DYH is scum as a result of your case and DYH gets lynched and flips town, that person is held accountable for the wagon because they started it. I don't see any point to "throwing your opinion out" if you don't plan to act on it unless you're weighing the idea to see how people react to it. It's scummy, period.
I don't think I've ever seen Cyouni use the emote and the sentence structure felt a little weird.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
MY experiences with Vi are with Vi-town, not Vi-scum. When Vi is not feeling like Vi, he's feeling different from my town baseline of her and that's a problem.
If someone decides DYH is scum as a result of MY case, I am also held accountable because it is MY case. I still started the wagon even if my vote wasn't the first vote on it. Your case on me is based on an inconsistency, sure, but it seems to favor that inconsistency over basic logic and you seem to assume that everyone else in this game is stupid. Do you have anything else in your case on me?
heh.
Thank you, Marble
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
Tell us your general impressions
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
ohOHOHOHOHO don't turn on her THIS early. If you make it too easy I'll have jackall for credit
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
you go out of your way to be as ****ing insufferable as possible i swear.
I feel like finding a game where we were both in and shoving it in your face because i'm sure that it went more in my favor than yours
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
...to which you can say, "Oh, I just THOUGHT he was scum, it's not my fault you guys followed my case on that!"
Seppel did that to Tordeck in Eeveelution Mafia.
Cyouni is a dude
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
For reference:
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vaguely annoyed that no one is paying attention to llamarble.
Not a fan of the way Iso appears to be harping on technical details more than anything else.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Other than the couple of people who suspect Thor for derpy reasons, this seems to be the consensus attitude. I'll focus on vetting that out. I don't get the general lack of interest in descoures though.
People who are voting Thor: he's been very active and useful and shown all the good townie attitudes. Whether or not he's right about Iso his reads aren't farfetched.
I have been starting to get a more favorable feel towards Cyouni recently, why am I so far off?
The problem is that I think it's very unlikely that Iso and Cyouni are scum together.
That is a remarkably weak catch-up, Fate.
There really isn't a lot else to say because the people I want to hear from aren't posting.
I could vote for 289.
Especially regarding that series of posts from Fate - it was all rather pointless. It feels like a lot of his stuff has been that way- I can't remember anything specific he's done. Very high noise-to-content ratio based on the number of posts. Is this typical?
I also continue to be unimpressed by Cyan who hasn't done much outside of voting Iso and sniping at Nacho. Posting way less frequently than normal, as well.
It's evident I'm not swaying anyone on Thor at this point.
Unvote, Vote: Cyan
Convince me I'm wrong about you.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Will do things tomorrow evening after work.
Weekend from hell segued into the Monday from hell.
What a scummy post. First, you effectively ignored the entire Iso wagon because 'Thor was leading it'. But Thor was never leading it. I made the most relevant point against Iso, and Iso himself acknowledged my behavior against him as town. And you never addressed any other points that anyone else brought up against him, from what I could tell.
Furthermore, you spent a TON of time trying to get a wagon on Thor based essentially on 'I don't like his attitude', despite multiple people(from both MS and MTGS) stating that we think he is overwhelmingly town.
And then when that didn't work out, you moved onto me, based on effectively nothing. I've been 'sniping' at Nacho because his behavior is scummy, but in a way that could just be his playstyle. And from what I've gotten from what other MS people have said regarding him, he acts this way regardless of alignment. So I haven't made a move against him because of that, but this doesn't change the fact that his behavior IS inherently scummy.
Lastly, town DYH doesn't say things like 'convince me that I'm wrong'.
Unvote, Vote DYH
I apologize for the sizeable lapse in tact I fell into in asking that question without considering how it could have been taken. This isn't the time or the place to be making those kinds of remarks in general, looking at what I've been saying so far this game.
(As for being insufferable, that's one of those things where I acknowledge it's going to happen anyway and don't try very hard to mitigate it. At least you get smiley happy cloud birds?)
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Line of deadness is at the end of the month.
Thor's vote against Iso came before you made that point.
And I've ignored the Iso wagon? Have you even been reading the thread? You really need to go back and re-read my posts.
No, I don't like Thor's attitude one bit. I'm not terribly surprised you do, but I suspect you'd find it super-annoying if you were either leading a charge against him (me) or being hounded by him (Iso). But no, that's not the case I had against him. Again, that's been covered multiple times in my posts, but as a reminder - it all stemmed from his reaction during RVS.
No, what is "nothing" is effectively what you've contributed to this game. You've sat on the sidelines, sniping at people and letting Thor lead the charge. This is not town Cyan.
He does when he's trying to get a rise out of you. Apparently it worked.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
This post pretty much covers it, as well as the subsequent questions to Thor about the follow-up as it pertains to Iso.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29