2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Pretty sure that this post is a huge leak of scum information, due to not knowing the wording of a town role PM. If you were town, you should have been able to work out(by checking your own role PM, like I did, if nothing else) that llamarble is saying that his role is 'Town Poisoner - Detective Jimmy Halloran'. But you couldn't work that out, because you're not town.
Basic flavor elements are that I am a detective investigating a murder and I'm really good at doing legwork. I walked a lot in the war and in the bronx.
Cyan, what do you think of Voxxicus?
I'm definitely open to recommendations on who to target here since as I've said a number of times, I don't feel that sure I know the answers in this one.
Cart before the horse again, Cyan. Poisoner Detective sounded like a falseclaim to me - I wasn't sure if he was claiming to be a half Cop/half Poisoner or what, and I didn't remember if Detective was a common name replacement for Cop over on MS - which would indicate to me that llama was falseclaiming because I don't see Zi using an obscure rolename for a Basic-esque game.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If I was a vig, I'd shoot Fate. Still can't see a world in which Fate and Nacho are both town.
Cyouni is a possibility, but that's a risk-aversion thing, given he claimed vanilla. I think he's probably town.
Pretty sure your reads on myself and dC are based on playstyle - I'd strongly advise not vigging either of us because I'm town, and I'm 99% sure dC is also.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
At this point, I think there's a pretty clear dichotomy between llama and Kami. Poisoner + Doc seems inelegant.
Or...normal.
Also, seriously, you expect scum to either lack fakeclaims, or have a regular claim that your flavor dictates as scum, making you a sort of bonus pseudo-cop in addition to your regular role?
It doesn't matter whether it sounds "inelegant" or "awkward" or "really scummy from flavor in my role PM". Let's not lynch an unCC'd power role claim today, let's lynch scum instead.
If I was a vig, I'd shoot Fate. Still can't see a world in which Fate and Nacho are both town.
Cyouni is a possibility, but that's a risk-aversion thing, given he claimed vanilla. I think he's probably town.
Pretty sure your reads on myself and dC are based on playstyle - I'd strongly advise not vigging either of us because I'm town, and I'm 99% sure dC is also.
HAHA. I just checked my role PM and if I'm reading into my flavor correctly, llamarble is my husband - and scum.
Voxx's vote tries too hard to appear natural.
This is super believable.
I initially wondered the same thing about llamarble's claim. The difference is that, because I am town, I went and looked at my role PM to make a comparison, and easily figured out what llamarble is saying. You didn't do that, because you are not town.
@Voxx: No, but I see that now. So nevermind.
Cyouni seems like a good choice for a Vig candidate then, given that he already claimed Vanilla(so the scum are never going to NK him even if he is town).
Pre-Post Edit:
At this point, I think there's a pretty clear dichotomy between llama and Kami. Poisoner + Doc seems inelegant.
Wait, what? This makes literally no sense..Dog + Vig is inelegant? Come on, are you even trying now? Or are you just trying to buy any mislynch so that one person dies before you do?
Is that a 'her role is incompatible with mine' claim or do you just think she'd claim doctor as scum (which I agree is reasonable).
Wish you'd said so earlier if it's the first case >_>
Is that a 'her role is incompatible with mine' claim or do you just think she'd claim doctor as scum (which I agree is reasonable).
Wish you'd said so earlier if it's the first case >_>
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
1500 PMs are a ***** to sort through on a flip phone. My phone reloads the page every time I exit the post window so it would be terribly impossible to check in the middle of writing a post.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah. There's no chance that there's not a protective role in the game, and if KoL isn't it, I'm confident they'd CC, given the circumstances. Lynching a guaranteed scum, even at the tradeoff of losing a doc is worth it when we'd be scrambling to lynch otherwise.
In the absence of a CC, I consider KoL confirmed town.
I'm not quite as sure on Llmarble, but my logic is as follows:
llamarble - 4 - desCoures, Kami of Lunacy, Iso, Cyouni - (L-3) (Plus I was on it at the time) was the Llamarble wagon.
I'm town, dC is town, KoL is town in absence of a counter-claim, Cyouni is probably town.
So either we have five town on a wagon (with Llamarble being scum), or Iso is scum.
With Llamarble's role being provable, I want to lynch Iso.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah. There's no chance that there's not a protective role in the game, and if KoL isn't it, I'm confident they'd CC, given the circumstances. Lynching a guaranteed scum, even at the tradeoff of losing a doc is worth it when we'd be scrambling to lynch otherwise.
In the absence of a CC, I consider KoL confirmed town.
I disagree on all points and would like to hear from another M:tGS player on this.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'd be completely in favor of counterclaim, if that's the question.
Guaranteed scumlynches are totally worth outing an additional PR.
Particularly since we probably aren't lynching KoL today otherwise
@Cyan: A Doc protects a player from being killed that Night. Poisoners target at Night and kill at the end of the next Day. Docs do not stop Poisoners unless their ability is specifically stated to do so - a la a Poison Doc.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Cyan: A Doc protects a player from being killed that Night. Poisoners target at Night and kill at the end of the next Day. Docs do not stop Poisoners unless their ability is specifically stated to do so - a la a Poison Doc.
I call shenanigans on this, I have literally never seen it work that way. It doesn't even make sense. And even if it did, the existence of said poisoner would not stop the game from having a Doc. A Doc exists at least as much to prevent scum NKs as it does to prevent mis-viggings.
I really don't know what to make of you making this argument, because it's a pretty bad one.
I have something relevant to add to this situation, but Iso needs to claim first. My primary reason for not suspecting him today might have been shot directly in the face, and that is going to annoy me, because it means I'm probably wrong about Thor. If I have to vote Iso to make that happen, so be it.
I'm VT - which is exactly why I will not be lynched - and Mrs. Llamarble's character's wife. I don't like that he spends so much time on the investigation (lonely Nights :kank:) but I care about him all the same.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I am outraged, but expressing such isn't going to help the state of the game. I'm confident that once I claim, we can move on from this bull****, but I'd prefer not to if it's not necessary.
Your breakdown of my post is also pretty awful. I don't think it makes you scum but you should probably read what you post before you post it.
It would be really hard to assemble a less townie wagon than that >_>
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Players needed to lynch: 7
Llamarble - 4 - desCoures, Kami of Lunacy, Iso, Cyouni - (L-3)
Kami of Lunacy - 3 - Llamarble, Cyan, Vierni - (L-4)
Iso - 2 - Thor665, Aggressive_Fate - (L-5)
Nachomamma8 - 1 - Voxxicus - (L-6)
Thor665 - 1 - DYH - (L-6)
Cyouni - 1 - Nachomamma8 - (L-6)
Players not voting: None
Deadline in 34 hours (last count was a typo).
Poisoner is my role
Pretty sure that this post is a huge leak of scum information, due to not knowing the wording of a town role PM. If you were town, you should have been able to work out(by checking your own role PM, like I did, if nothing else) that llamarble is saying that his role is 'Town Poisoner - Detective Jimmy Halloran'. But you couldn't work that out, because you're not town.
Unvote, Vote Iso
Iso is the only person on the Llamarble wagon that I don't read as solidly town.
Cyouni is dwindling a little bit recently, but he's still more..driven, for lack of a better word than his scum games have been.
dC is obviously town.
So that points to either a four town wagon on scum (possible), or Iso being scum (probable).
I want paraphrased flavor and paraphrased role description from KoL and Llamarble. I don't like the naked claims.
Essentially because I'm awesome, I can remove somebody somebody from my investigation.
I'm definitely open to recommendations on who to target here since as I've said a number of times, I don't feel that sure I know the answers in this one.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Mm.
If I was a vig, I'd shoot Fate. Still can't see a world in which Fate and Nacho are both town.
Cyouni is a possibility, but that's a risk-aversion thing, given he claimed vanilla. I think he's probably town.
Pretty sure your reads on myself and dC are based on playstyle - I'd strongly advise not vigging either of us because I'm town, and I'm 99% sure dC is also.
You are aware that KoL claimed Doc up above, yes?
Voxx's vote tries too hard to appear natural.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Or...normal.
Also, seriously, you expect scum to either lack fakeclaims, or have a regular claim that your flavor dictates as scum, making you a sort of bonus pseudo-cop in addition to your regular role?
Not buying what you are selling.
It doesn't matter whether it sounds "inelegant" or "awkward" or "really scummy from flavor in my role PM". Let's not lynch an unCC'd power role claim today, let's lynch scum instead.
this post sucks
this post sucks
^^vig this please
This is super believable.
I initially wondered the same thing about llamarble's claim. The difference is that, because I am town, I went and looked at my role PM to make a comparison, and easily figured out what llamarble is saying. You didn't do that, because you are not town.
@Voxx: No, but I see that now. So nevermind.
Cyouni seems like a good choice for a Vig candidate then, given that he already claimed Vanilla(so the scum are never going to NK him even if he is town).
Pre-Post Edit:
Wait, what? This makes literally no sense..Dog + Vig is inelegant? Come on, are you even trying now? Or are you just trying to buy any mislynch so that one person dies before you do?
Can we please just lynch Iso already.
@mod: I am voting for Kami of Lunacy, not Llamarble. In fact, please redo Vote Count #9 altogether.
I think maybe one person has been close to L-1 in 56 pages.
KoL included? Do tell.
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Iso - 5 - Thor665, Aggressive_Fate, Cyan, Voxxicus, llamarble - (L-2)
llamarble - 4 - desCoures, Kami of Lunacy, Iso, Cyouni - (L-3)
Kami of Lunacy - 1 - Vierni - (L-5)
Thor665 - 1 - DYH - (L-6)
Aggressive_Fate - 1 - Nachomamma8 - (L-6)
Wish you'd said so earlier if it's the first case >_>
Do you understand what a Poisoner does, Cyan, and how it's different from a Vig? Because I don't think you do.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah. There's no chance that there's not a protective role in the game, and if KoL isn't it, I'm confident they'd CC, given the circumstances. Lynching a guaranteed scum, even at the tradeoff of losing a doc is worth it when we'd be scrambling to lynch otherwise.
In the absence of a CC, I consider KoL confirmed town.
I'm not quite as sure on Llmarble, but my logic is as follows:
llamarble - 4 - desCoures, Kami of Lunacy, Iso, Cyouni - (L-3) (Plus I was on it at the time) was the Llamarble wagon.
I'm town, dC is town, KoL is town in absence of a counter-claim, Cyouni is probably town.
So either we have five town on a wagon (with Llamarble being scum), or Iso is scum.
With Llamarble's role being provable, I want to lynch Iso.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I could vote Cyan.
But lynching him just because he has bad reads and might shoot town isn't terribly productive.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Iso: A poisoner is just a delayed Vig, I thought?
Guaranteed scumlynches are totally worth outing an additional PR.
Particularly since we probably aren't lynching KoL today otherwise
If you were to shoot Fate tonight, would he die tonight, or in the future?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Seems extremely odd that Zionite would put it into a game if it's actually a delayed kill.
I call shenanigans on this, I have literally never seen it work that way. It doesn't even make sense. And even if it did, the existence of said poisoner would not stop the game from having a Doc. A Doc exists at least as much to prevent scum NKs as it does to prevent mis-viggings.
I really don't know what to make of you making this argument, because it's a pretty bad one.
Also, there are multiple poisoner variants.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Walk me through your thought process in making that statement originally.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29