@Rhand: It was a serious question in that I saw his defense as conflicting logic not as a scum read. I don't think his amusement level upon entering a game is something I could make alignment based argumentation from seeing as I've never played with the guy.
I'm not asking why it's a serious question, I' asking why stay in rvs if you're being serious.
Because it wasn't serious as in "relevance to game" it was me correcting someone as a twitch. It would've been as serious as me correcting an egregious grammar mistake or something else. Something still seen withing RVS.
Well if Dr. Polyopticon is in the game and he has a list of instruments that can become soloist, then (and only then) a mass instrument claim does make sense as there would be no room for falseclaiming.
As for the hinderance see the exchange between me and Asenion posts 61-70. It's basically me stating he isn't scum hunting and hims saying "you're right, I'm not." While it is possible to try and determine alignment based on their opinions on the theory on how to game this setup it's too easy for a scum to just say "hey my comments during that period were theory based" and wiggle out of making committed statements about other players.
I think you are overreacting quite a lot to a lack of scum hunting in the first 100 posts. It's hard to scumhunt when there isn't any content yet. I was hoping to get some interaction information from that to start scumhunting. For example, what people thought of posting restrictions, what people thought of me being silly, and what people thought of little bits of claimed role information. Starting discussion is important, and ALL discussion can catch scum. That's my opinion on the matter.
Well if Dr. Polyopticon is in the game and he has a list of instruments that can become soloist, then (and only then) a mass instrument claim does make sense as there would be no room for falseclaiming.
I like this mindset from a town perspective. I disagree with you, because there are only so many classical instruments to choose from, but I like where you are coming from.
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Well if Dr. Polyopticon is in the game and he has a list of instruments that can become soloist, then (and only then) a mass instrument claim does make sense as there would be no room for falseclaiming.
I like this mindset from a town perspective. I disagree with you, because there are only so many classical instruments to choose from, but I like where you are coming from.
I was just assuming that Polyopticon was the moderator and not a player. I also was assuming that the soloist was a random game mechanic, perhaps similar to the avatar selection in Megiddo's Avatars Mafia. This belief was mainly due to the fact that if he was offed, there would be a vacuum on who was the soloist.
However, the idea that he may be a specific player in the game was not something I had thought about.
Please don't do this. It makes it difficult to respond directly to your green statements with correct quote tags. Dealing with multiquotes is already difficult enough; don't make it worse by inserting content into quotes that could be misattributed down the line.
As for Dr. Polyopticon being a player, I highly doubt it. The opening flavor post is written from the perspective that Dr. P is a guide and source of knowledge, not a participant. If anything, we should wait until the next flavor post to begin speculation that Dr. P is more than just a plot device.
Please don't do this. It makes it difficult to respond directly to your green statements with correct quote tags. Dealing with multiquotes is already difficult enough; don't make it worse by inserting content into quotes that could be misattributed down the line.
The only other option is to break up the quote into a bunch of smaller quotes I reply to. This is significantly more time consuming, but more importantly it takes up a lot of space in the thread. I can do that if desired.
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The only other option is to break up the quote into a bunch of smaller quotes I reply to. This is significantly more time consuming, but more importantly it takes up a lot of space in the thread. I can do that if desired.
It would be much appreciated. I agree that breaking up quotes takes time, but having to search for responses that are inlined into quotes is tedious and error prone.
I got mod confirmation that Iso's "I am not the Piccolo." plan would not trigger the "bad stuff" if he has the same posting restriction as me. In fact, it's a safe way to claim for any of us with the same PR. (If we become the soloist.)
So, I'm not the piccolo.
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This game is clearly designed to prevent the Town from cooperating with each other. Hence the soloist being secret. Hence the posting restrictions. Hence the players with roles that interact favorably with the soloist. I believe it is in our best interest to work together.
If I am successful, we get additional reads by making one player very powerful and accountable for their actions, we get one or more confirmable roles online, and we are able to avoid our PRs.
Now why don't you tell me one possible downside for what I have revealed so far. Note that I don't advocate revealing abilities, just who the soloist is and what restrictions we have on us.
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Post 87 from GD: What post reads as flailing/fearmongering and what buzzwords. I just dislike comments without showing examples. Plus why an FOS on Trix? (assuming the hammer vote comment is more likey reason for the FOS)
Rhand: Post90 lacks any scum hunting and only focus on the instrument claim. DO NOT LIKE THIS POST.
Trix post 96:
1) Why do you believe the post restriction claims? Also all Asenion stated was he can't full claim, not that he can't claim an instrument
2) meh. I'm thinking about a few things that help the town on this. (a) Asenion's claim/gambit, Iso's claim and finally if there is someone who does pick the instrument in the game it could help the person to choose a soloist based on the person and not random picks.
3) Do you know for sure the scum have fake claims? I mean it's possible but nothing is ever for sure. Something I learned recently. Also why only concern for the soloist. If you believe Iso's claim, then there maybe more then just a soloist having power at the end of the day.
Also I don't see this hindering scum hunting. So far I have varying reactions from people. All which can tell me something about them. Example. I think you have really put thought onto reason's why you are against the claim, which I don't find scummy. I think your concern's have merit, I just disagree with you. Another example is Rhand, who just said he doesn't want to have a mass claim and doesn't say **** all about the rest of the game, which I see as scummy.
Post 98 from Rhand is better, but I find reasoning a bit weak. It's like he is saying because iRebel did something as scum that means ITF is scum for the same reason. Wouldn't it be better to see if ITF normally keeps his vote during RVS?
@Arnnaria: Who do you have a scum read on at this time and why?
@Nis: Is there anything else you have to add to this game other then speculation?
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@Nis: Is there anything else you have to add to this game other then speculation?
How am I the one speculating? I tried to head off speculation on whether or not Dr. Polyopticon is a player at this time. It's a rabbit hole that doesn't need to be explored right now. Your attempt to mischaracterize the situation has been noted.
For the people responding negatively to this stuff, I agree with PB. We need a reason.
@PB: For those of us with restrictions, we can't claim instruments. Additionally, if we get to the point where instrument claims can process of eliminate which instrument we are, there could be consequences. I prefer to keep instrument info just to who the soloist is for that reason.
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I typed up an extensive answer to this, including my reasoning for why I believed my answer to be true, and then I thought, "Wait, if the scum can't figure this out, then it's best to leave this question unanswered."
Ask me again after we have a scum body.
In the meantime, no one else should answer this question.
As for the hinderance see the exchange between me and Asenion posts 61-70. It's basically me stating he isn't scum hunting and hims saying "you're right, I'm not." While it is possible to try and determine alignment based on their opinions on the theory on how to game this setup it's too easy for a scum to just say "hey my comments during that period were theory based" and wiggle out of making committed statements about other players.
So, who do you think the wiggling scum are?
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Also, to be clear, I misphrased something earlier (thanks to Cantrip for pointing this out to me) - I don't lose me ability when I'm the Soloist, I just don't gain an additional ability (vanilla Soloist).
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Tan makes me itchy in a bad way. Like looking to be busy and scum hunting but all sorts of blah.
There has been enough post from others to really read one way or another.
I'm going to disagree with this aspect of your post, and I hold that people blowing up over a clearly facetious RVS post is scum reaching to try and kickstart a bad wagon. I don't think there was a lot of content at that time.
This game is clearly designed to prevent the Town from cooperating with each other. Hence the soloist being secret. Hence the posting restrictions. Hence the players with roles that interact favorably with the soloist. I believe it is in our best interest to work together.
If I am successful, we get additional reads by making one player very powerful and accountable for their actions, we get one or more confirmable roles online, and we are able to avoid our PRs.
Now why don't you tell me one possible downside for what I have revealed so far. Note that I don't advocate revealing abilities, just who the soloist is and what restrictions we have on us.
Stop setupgaming and scumhunt, Asension. You constantly furthering this line while we have plenty of behavioral evidence (as of the prolonged Trix/Iso conversation, not your RVS nonsense) is actively distracting.
Post 87 from GD: What post reads as flailing/fearmongering and what buzzwords. I just dislike comments without showing examples. Plus why an FOS on Trix? (assuming the hammer vote comment is more likey reason for the FOS)
The use of flailing is improper (clarification, clearly, in that context) in #58. #61 is both mudslinging Iso's ability use (which should obviously just happen AFTER we have a soloist have good enough reason to present themselves) and implying that it has scum-sided intentions, thus fearmongering. #64 is along the same lines, just at Asenion.
While I'm at it, #40 is a bad post because it attacks bad logic, but doesn't explain why it's bad, or demonstrate understanding that Asension could have reason to have those viewpoints (mainly involving #4 of that post) because of private information.
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Post 98 from Rhand is better*snip*
While the reasoning is weak/bordering on tunneling, the mindset is good in both of these posts. Diffusing a bad situation, clearing an RVS vote, pointing out an obvious flaw with the massclaim plan. If it's a trend that continues, it can be revisited at that point.
The instrument claim is bad for the same reason voting for only one "commander" was bad in Ender's game (keep our PR protected with anonymity), but even moreso because we cannot control who is the soloist with our present information. There are more reasons based on wild setup/modgaming, but there's no reason to vomit the soloist into the thread on a day to day basis.
If the soloist has good enough reason to come out after (or during) the fact, we have to trust that they will do so.
You're SUPER town, though. Thanks.
EEWP: My role just got buffed (or, the original version I was sent was nerfed). I'm 100% hammering everything.
@Nis: There's enough for you to be commenting on now. Join us. @Iso: I'd also love to know why you're just silently voting Arn.
1. I don't like the way Asenion is playing at all, with his inability to stop spilling information everywhere and after the fact ret-cons (see post #49). I don't understand the town perspective of flooding the game with information -- wouldn't this actively work against us? Or is it more that I haven't obtained that level of enlightenment yet, so to speak? (IE there's a benefit to the town and I'm not seeing it due to my rookie status).
I'm very confused about Asenion. I don't like his play, but I can't help but get a general town vibe out of him despite it.
Edit Whilst Posting: Asenion's post in #114 answered the above question. I am feeling very good about him being town now.
2. /barn ITF re: GiftsTrix (I'm dubbing you GT) in post #77. I don't like the wagon push because of the conflicting signals I am getting.
@ITF: What makes you feel his question in post #61 is a fish attempt? I can certainly see it being asked without the intention of it being a fishing expedition. As for the stretch he makes in #58, yes it is a stretch, but is it really one to be voting him over ATM?
I honestly think Iso's push for a MC when it was established by Asenion's reply to me that there are restrictions floating around that prevent such a thing from being profitable is more disturbing in nature.
I don't like this post. Iso's mass claim push didn't strike me as serious in nature; it struck me as Iso being Iso with the hopeful intent of getting someone to bite much in the way that Asenion did. I don't like the insinuation you're making here my friend, as I, personally, don't see how you can read Asenion as town but not Iso. Could you elaborate more about your implied hesitations? Are you seeing a correlation between Iso's game thus far and any previous games where he was Mafia? If so, what game?
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What did he say that makes you feel better about Asenion?
The fact you have to ask raises suspicions, as it is very obvious if you're Town.
I don't like your vote on Tanarin either. With it being public knowledge that both Asenion and Tanarin have posting restrictions, and a general consensus so far that Asenion is town, I am sensing the posting restrictions apply to the town, not Mafia, for reasons outlined in post #114.
Your one post is incredibly weak and shows you're either not paying attention or you're not town; this, juxtaposed with your incredibly weak votes, makes me suspicious of you.
5. /barn most of Post 87.
6. @ Rhand: Good catch, but it's now just a hair over 24 hours since the game really started, so I don't know if it's something to really push this early. But definitely something to monitor about ITF going forward.
This covers me up to post 114.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
@Nis: Is there anything else you have to add to this game other then speculation?
How am I the one speculating? I tried to head off speculation on whether or not Dr. Polyopticon is a player at this time. It's a rabbit hole that doesn't need to be explored right now. Your attempt to mischaracterize the situation has been noted.
You stated a belief about dr. P based on the opening from the mod. How is that not a speculation?
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Knee jerk reaction to being called at and omgus attack back and still offer nothing to the game.
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Knee jerk reaction to being called at and omgus attack back and still offer nothing to the game.
Did I vote you? Did I even call you scummy?
As for my contributions so far, I'm reading, taking notes, and evaluating the proposals. At the moment I'm not against a mass instrument claim but I'm also wary of revealing too much info when we don't know if it could come back to bite us. Same reasoning applies to the Asen/Iso plan of claiming soloist each day.
@Arnnaria: Who do you have a scum read on at this time and why?
Iso is my only "strong" read at this point. I feel that Iso has not provided sufficient reasoning for his vote on Asenion. When I asked him if it was more than a massclaim he said it there was more to it. When I showed him the evidence that there was only two posts prior to his vote on Asenion, he responds in #85 that he called "bull****" on his claim. But, his claim was a total joke. I really don't understand how that flew over everyone's head. It was like Iso was more concerend at labeling Asenion scum vis-a-vis his Mass Claim proposal than he was at even interpreting his claim to begin with. The fact that he advocated a claim after attacking Asenion seeking for a claim doesn't sit well with me.
On the other hand, we have the other person pushing a mass claim: Asenion. I think there is a possibility that he's scum or he's just playing the game poorly. He seems to be preoccupied with a Piccolo claim in lieu of a mass instrument claim. His #111 shows that he was so concerned about finding the Piccolo that he contacted the moderator for clarification on how the Piccolo can come out. Asenion has already stated information that directly correlates to why he'd be so desperate to find the Piccolo. I think the damage is already done though and I highly doubt after his information was leaked that the Piccolo would feel comfortable outing themselves. I do think Asenion is someone we have to keep our eye on and I do think he needs to be honest about why he's hunting for the Piccolo so badly.
Rhand is someone I want to keep my eye on too. He seems preoccupied with RVS politics. Look at his #98. There had been sufficient non-RVS content discussed in his thread and he's preoccupied himself at analyzing the RVS dynamics. He then places a vote that does not even correlate to anything of substance that has been passed into the thread. What does this tell me? It tells me that Rhand is afraid of stepping on people's toes so he's going after people at a portion of a game where there really isn't much to be analyzed.
tl;dr - Iso and Rhand are looking scum to me. Asenion may look scum, but I want to know why he wants to find the Piccolo so badly.
@P_B> 1 ) I don't have to believe the PR claims. If I say "I can't claim, I have pr" and someone tries to force me to claim, I'll just keep saying the same thing in a circle.
2) I don't entierly believe Iso is town. I do read him as more likely town as not atm but nowhere near confident enouth to reveal soloist. The soloist is almost guaranteed to be a power role (the pm in the front proves not always, this is true) which i don't want to wave in the mafia's face. Also if town have abilities which help (harmonize) with the soloist, the mafioso could easily have abilities that disrupt that. Asenion already asked the crowd at large for opinions on how soloist is chosen but no one stepped forward. If someone is able to choose the soloist they should have.
3) They don't have to be given false claims by mod especially for instruments. There are way more than 12 possible instruments in the world that could be chosen for the game.
@iRebel> GT is fine. Though I do prefer either Gifts or Trix (or TheGreatGiver, shameless ego stroke that may be)
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
Seems to be tunneling on Asenion which makes sense considering (1) Asenion has been acting scummy and (2) he has claimed that he hasn't played Mafia in four years. He also did not get Asenion's joke and has been riding his vote since then.
Rhand, would you care to respond to my comments on you, or do you have more diversions?
Well it appears I was wrong that we wouldn't have useful read information while discussing the setup. Though I do still personally believe discussing people gives more information than discussing the setup.
It seems Asenion's claim in 74 is true, and he is actively scumhunting.
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I still do not like shaping the discussion around the setup because it allows people to look like their contributing without actually saying anything worthwhile, see posts 33, 51, 57, 79, and 82.
Seems to be tunneling on Asenion which makes sense considering (1) Asenion has been acting scummy and (2) he has claimed that he hasn't played Mafia in four years. He also did not get Asenion's joke and has been riding his vote since then.
Rhand, would you care to respond to my comments on you, or do you have more diversions?
There was nothing being discussed that needed my input and I saw some possible rvs tells that weren't explored yet. I'm not sure how you're seeing that as scummy. I did give my input on the mechanical going ons. Is that an answer to your question?
Your answer to my question is pretty evasive. You say you see him committing something negative (tunnelling) to then defend said behaviour without committing to a read.
Playing with friends is weird, because now I am going to unvote, vote arm, and I feel sad about it
Seems to be tunneling on Asenion which makes sense considering (1) Asenion has been acting scummy and (2) he has claimed that he hasn't played Mafia in four years. He also did not get Asenion's joke and has been riding his vote since then.
Rhand, would you care to respond to my comments on you, or do you have more diversions?
There was nothing being discussed that needed my input and I saw some possible rvs tells that weren't explored yet. I'm not sure how you're seeing that as scummy. I did give my input on the mechanical going ons. Is that an answer to your question?
Your answer to my question is pretty evasive. You say you see him committing something negative (tunnelling) to then defend said behaviour without committing to a read.
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I present evidence when I'm discussing a read on players. I try to make my evidence support a logical conclusion based upon what I am saying. The fact that I don't outline or draw a direct opinion on said evidence is not something I feel comfortable doing at such an early juncture. Call it "summarizing" (to use the terminology Asenion is using) if you like. We are looking at a very finite source of information here. Some players haven't even posted since RVS ended.
My point on you, Rhand, is that you seem so preoccupied analyzing RVS silliness that you've eschewed everything else that has occurred so far. You've told Asenion to stop dumping information. Have you developed a read on Asenion?
I just find it awkward the Pinky's asked for my reads, and I delivered them on three players that I'm compiling evidence against to make a solid case, and now all three of those players have laid down votes against me. Iso was voting prior to the reads, but it still strikes me as odd.
As for the whole friends thing, mafia is about playing to the best of your abilities. If I had to check my reads against my friends, there would probably be a majority of players I would not vote against. I have a thick skin. Don't worry about it.
Stop setupgaming and scumhunt, Asension. You constantly furthering this line while we have plenty of behavioral evidence (as of the prolonged Trix/Iso conversation, not your RVS nonsense) is actively distracting.
I will thank you kindly to let me play mafia how I so choose. I encourage you to do the same. I follow a general daily pattern as such:
Step 1: Analyze all information available and come to conclusions about the current game state. This includes set-up analysis, mod-gaming, and analyzing any Night actions that occurred.
Step 2: Analyze the reactions to my previous analysis and check for behavioral inconsistencies. (I.E. Scumhunt)
Step 2 can start during Step 1 if I see something especially noteworthy, otherwise I tend to keep my thoughts to myself until I find someone sufficiently scummy or feel the need to aid someone who I feel strongly is town.
When I get frustrated, confused, or bored I do something stupid and start a wagon on myself. This usually elicits strong behavioral interactions with myself which help me form reads and ground myself.
I'm pretty much done set-up gaming for the Day unless more information comes to light and I believe my recommended course of action is correct. I encourage anyone who disagrees to articulate themselves immediately.
The instrument claim is bad for the same reason voting for only one "commander" was bad in Ender's game (keep our PR protected with anonymity), but even moreso because we cannot control who is the soloist with our present information. There are more reasons based on wild setup/modgaming, but there's no reason to vomit the soloist into the thread on a day to day basis.
The soloist is effectively a random player at this point who has been given extra power. I believe it is in our best interest to know who he is. For the same reason that the King in a Kingmaker game can have their alignment easily determined, the soloist in this game will have a great deal of pressure applied to them if they are publicly outed. This should help us identify if they are Town, and/or force Scum to try and act in the Town's best interest to stay hidden when they are in the spotlight. (At least early game.)
There is no threat of outing our power role, because toDay's soloist will likely not be Tomorrow's soloist. The only thing being revealed here, is who has the current power boost, and I darn well want to know that.
Also, knowing who the soloist is benefits Iso and I from an ability standpoint.
On the other hand, we have the other person pushing a mass claim: Asenion. I think there is a possibility that he's scum or he's just playing the game poorly. He seems to be preoccupied with a Piccolo claim in lieu of a mass instrument claim. His #111 shows that he was so concerned about finding the Piccolo that he contacted the moderator for clarification on how the Piccolo can come out. Asenion has already stated information that directly correlates to why he'd be so desperate to find the Piccolo. I think the damage is already done though and I highly doubt after his information was leaked that the Piccolo would feel comfortable outing themselves. I do think Asenion is someone we have to keep our eye on and I do think he needs to be honest about why he's hunting for the Piccolo so badly.
All of my wut. For the record, I hadn't even read this post yet when I voted you. My vote was actually just a knee-jerk reaction to you providing a summary of actions when asked for an opinion. (Same reason we vote for people who do a PBPA without scum/town reads at the end. You are just filling space and going along with things to hide your real thoughts.)
I'm "desperate" to find the soloist of the Day because I see no downside in doing so and multiple kinds of upside. I believe it would give the Town a focus point and provide positive interaction information for Tomorrow.
2) I don't entierly believe Iso is town. I do read him as more likely town as not atm but nowhere near confident enouth to reveal soloist. The soloist is almost guaranteed to be a power role (the pm in the front proves not always, this is true) which i don't want to wave in the mafia's face. Also if town have abilities which help (harmonize) with the soloist, the mafioso could easily have abilities that disrupt that. Asenion already asked the crowd at large for opinions on how soloist is chosen but no one stepped forward. If someone is able to choose the soloist they should have.
3) They don't have to be given false claims by mod especially for instruments. There are way more than 12 possible instruments in the world that could be chosen for the game.
The soloist is very likely a power role due to the additional abilities unlocked by being the soloist. Other than that, we have no idea who they are and no reason to believe they are innately strong.
And I can personally guarantee that the Town's interactions with the soloist are stronger than anything any hypothetical scum could have.
@your #3: There are a surprisingly small number of instruments that are commonly used in orchestras and fit the format for the whimsical alliterations the moderator seems to enjoy. A quick google search narrows the list to around 2-3 dozen, and half of them are fairly uncommon. I think there is a very real chance of catching a scum who false-claimed their instrument, because they would either have to sound very absurd or risk overlapping with someone else.
@Arn: I didn't realize Asenion's claim was a joke, though in hindsight, it was fairly obvious. I'll chalk that one up to sleep deprivation.
I honestly don't believe you. You act like a moron in all of your games when you are well known to be a strong thoughtful player. Sure you do some random things without thinking sometimes, but I am not going to let your stupidity claims fly. Shape up.
Seems to be tunneling on Asenion which makes sense considering (1) Asenion has been acting scummy and (2) he has claimed that he hasn't played Mafia in four years. He also did not get Asenion's joke and has been riding his vote since then.
Rhand, would you care to respond to my comments on you, or do you have more diversions?
There was nothing being discussed that needed my input and I saw some possible rvs tells that weren't explored yet. I'm not sure how you're seeing that as scummy. I did give my input on the mechanical going ons. Is that an answer to your question?
Your answer to my question is pretty evasive. You say you see him committing something negative (tunnelling) to then defend said behaviour without committing to a read.
Playing with friends is weird, because now I am going to unvote, vote arm, and I feel sad about it
This vote feels very poor. It's like "Oh man, I'm not sure what I should be doing right now. I guess I'll explain how I don't think anything said in the last 136 posts was relevant and then get on the biggest wagon."
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Apologies, Iso. Has your opinion changed at all post-127 & 138?
Asenion. I am willing to assume in any game r hat the scum have a means to interfere with our night actions. Setupgaming, yes, but common sense. Soloist is known. Soloist is likely town. Soloist gets rb, jailed, redirected, etc. Little to no pressure placed on scum, who can simply lie about results in a variety of fashions.
Apologies, Iso. Has your opinion changed at all post-127 & 138?
Asenion. I am willing to assume in any game r hat the scum have a means to interfere with our night actions. Setupgaming, yes, but common sense. Soloist is known. Soloist is likely town. Soloist gets rb, jailed, redirected, etc. Little to no pressure placed on scum, who can simply lie about results in a variety of fashions.
Do you disagree with anything I just said?
Yes I do, but I can't talk about it.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I just find it awkward the Pinky's asked for my reads, and I delivered them on three players that I'm compiling evidence against to make a solid case, and now all three of those players have laid down votes against me. Iso was voting prior to the reads, but it still strikes me as odd.
When I get frustrated, confused, or bored I do something stupid and start a wagon on myself. This usually elicits strong behavioral interactions with myself which help me form reads and ground myself.
Are...
Are you an Iso gimmick?
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@your #3: There are a surprisingly small number of instruments that are commonly used in orchestras and fit the format for the whimsical alliterations the moderator seems to enjoy. A quick google search narrows the list to around 2-3 dozen, and half of them are fairly uncommon. I think there is a very real chance of catching a scum who false-claimed their instrument, because they would either have to sound very absurd or risk overlapping with someone else.
Oh my god why are you still discussing this
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I honestly don't believe you. You act like a moron in all of your games when you are well known to be a strong thoughtful player. Sure you do some random things without thinking sometimes, but I am not going to let your stupidity claims fly. Shape up.
I was awake from 4 a.m. to midnightish that day after about 3 hours of sleep and an 8-hour car ride, as well as 9 hours of work. Don't believe me if you want.
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This vote feels very poor. It's like "Oh man, I'm not sure what I should be doing right now. I guess I'll explain how I don't think anything said in the last 136 posts was relevant and then get on the biggest wagon."
Apologies, Iso. Has your opinion changed at all post-127 & 138?
I haven't read those posts since you asked, so presuming that they're about Arn, no, my opinions haven't changed.
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Asenion. I am willing to assume in any game r hat the scum have a means to interfere with our night actions. Setupgaming, yes, but common sense. Soloist is known. Soloist is likely town. Soloist gets rb, jailed, redirected, etc. Little to no pressure placed on scum, who can simply lie about results in a variety of fashions.
Do you disagree with anything I just said?
Something you're forgetting is that our Soloist is NOT our only PR.
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@Iso: /shrug. I may have played in ze past but for all intents and purposes I'm still feeling my way around mafia. I was wrong. As for Tan. See the posts I listed. He's been doing what I've been stating as the reason I didn't want to setup analyze in thread, using it as an excuse to make posts without real content.
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@Iso: /shrug. I may have played in ze past but for all intents and purposes I'm still feeling my way around mafia. I was wrong. As for Tan. See the posts I listed. He's been doing what I've been stating as the reason I didn't want to setup analyze in thread, using it as an excuse to make posts without real content.
So... instead of asking Asenion, the one who started the setup analyzing his early reads, you go after me? Especially given I have done none of this setup analyzing you claim I have. The most I have done is suggest that we stop discussing any and all post restrictions we may have because I have a theory in my mind about them. Seems like yet another stretch again from you (The first being about his reply to me in post #55 being a flail)
Actually, now that I read again, where did Asenion want to explicitly out the Piccolo? While he is not opposed to him/her claiming (Post #48), he has not said he wants him to claim and claim now as you seem to be implying he is doing.
As for your question though, my current reads are as follow (In no particular order of strength)
Town Reads:
Asenion, Rand, ITF, and GD (All for similar reasons I have addressed earlier)
Scum Reads:
Iso (Wanting to out the piccolo), Trix (He seems to love stretching arguments)
@Iso: The posts I selected feel very "hey look I'm posting" too me. He has also spoken very little about where his opinions of other's alignments are, especially in the early game. He has commented on other people's arguments but not really taken a stand himself.
@Tan: o0?? I did go after Asenion. For quite a bit of time too. He has since been posting his opinions on more than simply setup analysis. Thus I unvoted him. You're right you never were one who went deep into analyzing the game, instead you have a multitude of posts speaking of how it is bad and very few about other players at all. When you do speak of them it's describing arguments not your opinions or stances on them. Hence I asked you what your opinions of others are. I'm not sure how that is a stretch.
I'm not asking why it's a serious question, I' asking why stay in rvs if you're being serious.
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Can you explain this comment, Rhand?
Well if Dr. Polyopticon is in the game and he has a list of instruments that can become soloist, then (and only then) a mass instrument claim does make sense as there would be no room for falseclaiming.
I think you are overreacting quite a lot to a lack of scum hunting in the first 100 posts. It's hard to scumhunt when there isn't any content yet. I was hoping to get some interaction information from that to start scumhunting. For example, what people thought of posting restrictions, what people thought of me being silly, and what people thought of little bits of claimed role information. Starting discussion is important, and ALL discussion can catch scum. That's my opinion on the matter.
I like this mindset from a town perspective. I disagree with you, because there are only so many classical instruments to choose from, but I like where you are coming from.
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I was just assuming that Polyopticon was the moderator and not a player. I also was assuming that the soloist was a random game mechanic, perhaps similar to the avatar selection in Megiddo's Avatars Mafia. This belief was mainly due to the fact that if he was offed, there would be a vacuum on who was the soloist.
However, the idea that he may be a specific player in the game was not something I had thought about.
Please don't do this. It makes it difficult to respond directly to your green statements with correct quote tags. Dealing with multiquotes is already difficult enough; don't make it worse by inserting content into quotes that could be misattributed down the line.
As for Dr. Polyopticon being a player, I highly doubt it. The opening flavor post is written from the perspective that Dr. P is a guide and source of knowledge, not a participant. If anything, we should wait until the next flavor post to begin speculation that Dr. P is more than just a plot device.
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The only other option is to break up the quote into a bunch of smaller quotes I reply to. This is significantly more time consuming, but more importantly it takes up a lot of space in the thread. I can do that if desired.
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It would be much appreciated. I agree that breaking up quotes takes time, but having to search for responses that are inlined into quotes is tedious and error prone.
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So, I'm not the piccolo.
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If I am successful, we get additional reads by making one player very powerful and accountable for their actions, we get one or more confirmable roles online, and we are able to avoid our PRs.
Now why don't you tell me one possible downside for what I have revealed so far. Note that I don't advocate revealing abilities, just who the soloist is and what restrictions we have on us.
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Rhand: Post90 lacks any scum hunting and only focus on the instrument claim. DO NOT LIKE THIS POST.
Trix post 96:
1) Why do you believe the post restriction claims? Also all Asenion stated was he can't full claim, not that he can't claim an instrument
2) meh. I'm thinking about a few things that help the town on this. (a) Asenion's claim/gambit, Iso's claim and finally if there is someone who does pick the instrument in the game it could help the person to choose a soloist based on the person and not random picks.
3) Do you know for sure the scum have fake claims? I mean it's possible but nothing is ever for sure. Something I learned recently. Also why only concern for the soloist. If you believe Iso's claim, then there maybe more then just a soloist having power at the end of the day.
Also I don't see this hindering scum hunting. So far I have varying reactions from people. All which can tell me something about them. Example. I think you have really put thought onto reason's why you are against the claim, which I don't find scummy. I think your concern's have merit, I just disagree with you. Another example is Rhand, who just said he doesn't want to have a mass claim and doesn't say **** all about the rest of the game, which I see as scummy.
Post 98 from Rhand is better, but I find reasoning a bit weak. It's like he is saying because iRebel did something as scum that means ITF is scum for the same reason. Wouldn't it be better to see if ITF normally keeps his vote during RVS?
@Arnnaria: Who do you have a scum read on at this time and why?
@Nis: Is there anything else you have to add to this game other then speculation?
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How am I the one speculating? I tried to head off speculation on whether or not Dr. Polyopticon is a player at this time. It's a rabbit hole that doesn't need to be explored right now. Your attempt to mischaracterize the situation has been noted.
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@PB: For those of us with restrictions, we can't claim instruments. Additionally, if we get to the point where instrument claims can process of eliminate which instrument we are, there could be consequences. I prefer to keep instrument info just to who the soloist is for that reason.
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I typed up an extensive answer to this, including my reasoning for why I believed my answer to be true, and then I thought, "Wait, if the scum can't figure this out, then it's best to leave this question unanswered."
Ask me again after we have a scum body.
In the meantime, no one else should answer this question.
So, who do you think the wiggling scum are?
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Also, to be clear, I misphrased something earlier (thanks to Cantrip for pointing this out to me) - I don't lose me ability when I'm the Soloist, I just don't gain an additional ability (vanilla Soloist).
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I'm going to disagree with this aspect of your post, and I hold that people blowing up over a clearly facetious RVS post is scum reaching to try and kickstart a bad wagon. I don't think there was a lot of content at that time.
But you're firmly in the town pile.
Let's keep an eye on this (more because of his tone, IMO, but that may be unfamiliarity).
I think you're reading into the RVS vote far, far too much. I do like your mindset
Stop setupgaming and scumhunt, Asension. You constantly furthering this line while we have plenty of behavioral evidence (as of the prolonged Trix/Iso conversation, not your RVS nonsense) is actively distracting.
EWP:
The use of flailing is improper (clarification, clearly, in that context) in #58. #61 is both mudslinging Iso's ability use (which should obviously just happen AFTER we have a soloist have good enough reason to present themselves) and implying that it has scum-sided intentions, thus fearmongering. #64 is along the same lines, just at Asenion.
While I'm at it, #40 is a bad post because it attacks bad logic, but doesn't explain why it's bad, or demonstrate understanding that Asension could have reason to have those viewpoints (mainly involving #4 of that post) because of private information.
While the reasoning is weak/bordering on tunneling, the mindset is good in both of these posts. Diffusing a bad situation, clearing an RVS vote, pointing out an obvious flaw with the massclaim plan. If it's a trend that continues, it can be revisited at that point.
The instrument claim is bad for the same reason voting for only one "commander" was bad in Ender's game (keep our PR protected with anonymity), but even moreso because we cannot control who is the soloist with our present information. There are more reasons based on wild setup/modgaming, but there's no reason to vomit the soloist into the thread on a day to day basis.
If the soloist has good enough reason to come out after (or during) the fact, we have to trust that they will do so.
You're SUPER town, though. Thanks.
EEWP: My role just got buffed (or, the original version I was sent was nerfed). I'm 100% hammering everything.
@Nis: There's enough for you to be commenting on now. Join us.
@Iso: I'd also love to know why you're just silently voting Arn.
Since RVS is over, unvote.
So, some general thoughts...
1. I don't like the way Asenion is playing at all, with his inability to stop spilling information everywhere and after the fact ret-cons (see post #49). I don't understand the town perspective of flooding the game with information -- wouldn't this actively work against us? Or is it more that I haven't obtained that level of enlightenment yet, so to speak? (IE there's a benefit to the town and I'm not seeing it due to my rookie status).
I'm very confused about Asenion. I don't like his play, but I can't help but get a general town vibe out of him despite it.
Edit Whilst Posting: Asenion's post in #114 answered the above question. I am feeling very good about him being town now.
2. /barn ITF re: GiftsTrix (I'm dubbing you GT) in post #77. I don't like the wagon push because of the conflicting signals I am getting.
3.
I don't like this post. Iso's mass claim push didn't strike me as serious in nature; it struck me as Iso being Iso with the hopeful intent of getting someone to bite much in the way that Asenion did. I don't like the insinuation you're making here my friend, as I, personally, don't see how you can read Asenion as town but not Iso. Could you elaborate more about your implied hesitations? Are you seeing a correlation between Iso's game thus far and any previous games where he was Mafia? If so, what game?
4. re: post 80
The fact you have to ask raises suspicions, as it is very obvious if you're Town.
I don't like your vote on Tanarin either. With it being public knowledge that both Asenion and Tanarin have posting restrictions, and a general consensus so far that Asenion is town, I am sensing the posting restrictions apply to the town, not Mafia, for reasons outlined in post #114.
Your one post is incredibly weak and shows you're either not paying attention or you're not town; this, juxtaposed with your incredibly weak votes, makes me suspicious of you.
5. /barn most of Post 87.
6. @ Rhand: Good catch, but it's now just a hair over 24 hours since the game really started, so I don't know if it's something to really push this early. But definitely something to monitor about ITF going forward.
This covers me up to post 114.
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You stated a belief about dr. P based on the opening from the mod. How is that not a speculation?
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Knee jerk reaction to being called at and omgus attack back and still offer nothing to the game.
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Followed up by a call to put off further speculation about Dr. P until later. It's like you're deliberately ignoring the last half of my post.
Did I vote you? Did I even call you scummy?
As for my contributions so far, I'm reading, taking notes, and evaluating the proposals. At the moment I'm not against a mass instrument claim but I'm also wary of revealing too much info when we don't know if it could come back to bite us. Same reasoning applies to the Asen/Iso plan of claiming soloist each day.
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All in good time. If you'd indulge me first, though, can you give me your current read on Rhand and/or ITF?
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Iso is my only "strong" read at this point. I feel that Iso has not provided sufficient reasoning for his vote on Asenion. When I asked him if it was more than a massclaim he said it there was more to it. When I showed him the evidence that there was only two posts prior to his vote on Asenion, he responds in #85 that he called "bull****" on his claim. But, his claim was a total joke. I really don't understand how that flew over everyone's head. It was like Iso was more concerend at labeling Asenion scum vis-a-vis his Mass Claim proposal than he was at even interpreting his claim to begin with. The fact that he advocated a claim after attacking Asenion seeking for a claim doesn't sit well with me.
On the other hand, we have the other person pushing a mass claim: Asenion. I think there is a possibility that he's scum or he's just playing the game poorly. He seems to be preoccupied with a Piccolo claim in lieu of a mass instrument claim. His #111 shows that he was so concerned about finding the Piccolo that he contacted the moderator for clarification on how the Piccolo can come out. Asenion has already stated information that directly correlates to why he'd be so desperate to find the Piccolo. I think the damage is already done though and I highly doubt after his information was leaked that the Piccolo would feel comfortable outing themselves. I do think Asenion is someone we have to keep our eye on and I do think he needs to be honest about why he's hunting for the Piccolo so badly.
Rhand is someone I want to keep my eye on too. He seems preoccupied with RVS politics. Look at his #98. There had been sufficient non-RVS content discussed in his thread and he's preoccupied himself at analyzing the RVS dynamics. He then places a vote that does not even correlate to anything of substance that has been passed into the thread. What does this tell me? It tells me that Rhand is afraid of stepping on people's toes so he's going after people at a portion of a game where there really isn't much to be analyzed.
tl;dr - Iso and Rhand are looking scum to me. Asenion may look scum, but I want to know why he wants to find the Piccolo so badly.
2) I don't entierly believe Iso is town. I do read him as more likely town as not atm but nowhere near confident enouth to reveal soloist. The soloist is almost guaranteed to be a power role (the pm in the front proves not always, this is true) which i don't want to wave in the mafia's face. Also if town have abilities which help (harmonize) with the soloist, the mafioso could easily have abilities that disrupt that. Asenion already asked the crowd at large for opinions on how soloist is chosen but no one stepped forward. If someone is able to choose the soloist they should have.
3) They don't have to be given false claims by mod especially for instruments. There are way more than 12 possible instruments in the world that could be chosen for the game.
@iRebel> GT is fine. Though I do prefer either Gifts or Trix (or TheGreatGiver, shameless ego stroke that may be)
@Iso. Tan, Nis, Rhand.
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@Rebel: To be clear, I was being serious about the instrument claim.
@Arn: I didn't realize Asenion's claim was a joke, though in hindsight, it was fairly obvious. I'll chalk that one up to sleep deprivation.
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Uhh. No. They shouldn't have.
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What was the benefit of the instrument claim, again? I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea.
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Seems to be tunneling on Asenion which makes sense considering (1) Asenion has been acting scummy and (2) he has claimed that he hasn't played Mafia in four years. He also did not get Asenion's joke and has been riding his vote since then.
Rhand, would you care to respond to my comments on you, or do you have more diversions?
That isn't a read, that is a summary of actions. A man has opinions. A scum has summaries.
I'll respond to questions and etc in a couple hours when I'm home.
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It seems Asenion's claim in 74 is true, and he is actively scumhunting.
Unvote
I still do not like shaping the discussion around the setup because it allows people to look like their contributing without actually saying anything worthwhile, see posts 33, 51, 57, 79, and 82.
So, Tanarian. Do you have reads yet?
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There was nothing being discussed that needed my input and I saw some possible rvs tells that weren't explored yet. I'm not sure how you're seeing that as scummy. I did give my input on the mechanical going ons. Is that an answer to your question?
Your answer to my question is pretty evasive. You say you see him committing something negative (tunnelling) to then defend said behaviour without committing to a read.
Playing with friends is weird, because now I am going to unvote, vote arm, and I feel sad about it
I present evidence when I'm discussing a read on players. I try to make my evidence support a logical conclusion based upon what I am saying. The fact that I don't outline or draw a direct opinion on said evidence is not something I feel comfortable doing at such an early juncture. Call it "summarizing" (to use the terminology Asenion is using) if you like. We are looking at a very finite source of information here. Some players haven't even posted since RVS ended.
My point on you, Rhand, is that you seem so preoccupied analyzing RVS silliness that you've eschewed everything else that has occurred so far. You've told Asenion to stop dumping information. Have you developed a read on Asenion?
I just find it awkward the Pinky's asked for my reads, and I delivered them on three players that I'm compiling evidence against to make a solid case, and now all three of those players have laid down votes against me. Iso was voting prior to the reads, but it still strikes me as odd.
As for the whole friends thing, mafia is about playing to the best of your abilities. If I had to check my reads against my friends, there would probably be a majority of players I would not vote against. I have a thick skin. Don't worry about it.
I will thank you kindly to let me play mafia how I so choose. I encourage you to do the same. I follow a general daily pattern as such:
Step 1: Analyze all information available and come to conclusions about the current game state. This includes set-up analysis, mod-gaming, and analyzing any Night actions that occurred.
Step 2: Analyze the reactions to my previous analysis and check for behavioral inconsistencies. (I.E. Scumhunt)
Step 2 can start during Step 1 if I see something especially noteworthy, otherwise I tend to keep my thoughts to myself until I find someone sufficiently scummy or feel the need to aid someone who I feel strongly is town.
When I get frustrated, confused, or bored I do something stupid and start a wagon on myself. This usually elicits strong behavioral interactions with myself which help me form reads and ground myself.
I'm pretty much done set-up gaming for the Day unless more information comes to light and I believe my recommended course of action is correct. I encourage anyone who disagrees to articulate themselves immediately.
The soloist is effectively a random player at this point who has been given extra power. I believe it is in our best interest to know who he is. For the same reason that the King in a Kingmaker game can have their alignment easily determined, the soloist in this game will have a great deal of pressure applied to them if they are publicly outed. This should help us identify if they are Town, and/or force Scum to try and act in the Town's best interest to stay hidden when they are in the spotlight. (At least early game.)
There is no threat of outing our power role, because toDay's soloist will likely not be Tomorrow's soloist. The only thing being revealed here, is who has the current power boost, and I darn well want to know that.
Also, knowing who the soloist is benefits Iso and I from an ability standpoint.
All of my wut. For the record, I hadn't even read this post yet when I voted you. My vote was actually just a knee-jerk reaction to you providing a summary of actions when asked for an opinion. (Same reason we vote for people who do a PBPA without scum/town reads at the end. You are just filling space and going along with things to hide your real thoughts.)
I'm "desperate" to find the soloist of the Day because I see no downside in doing so and multiple kinds of upside. I believe it would give the Town a focus point and provide positive interaction information for Tomorrow.
My vote is staying where it is for now.
The soloist is very likely a power role due to the additional abilities unlocked by being the soloist. Other than that, we have no idea who they are and no reason to believe they are innately strong.
And I can personally guarantee that the Town's interactions with the soloist are stronger than anything any hypothetical scum could have.
@your #3: There are a surprisingly small number of instruments that are commonly used in orchestras and fit the format for the whimsical alliterations the moderator seems to enjoy. A quick google search narrows the list to around 2-3 dozen, and half of them are fairly uncommon. I think there is a very real chance of catching a scum who false-claimed their instrument, because they would either have to sound very absurd or risk overlapping with someone else.
I honestly don't believe you. You act like a moron in all of your games when you are well known to be a strong thoughtful player. Sure you do some random things without thinking sometimes, but I am not going to let your stupidity claims fly. Shape up.
This vote feels very poor. It's like "Oh man, I'm not sure what I should be doing right now. I guess I'll explain how I don't think anything said in the last 136 posts was relevant and then get on the biggest wagon."
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Asenion. I am willing to assume in any game r hat the scum have a means to interfere with our night actions. Setupgaming, yes, but common sense. Soloist is known. Soloist is likely town. Soloist gets rb, jailed, redirected, etc. Little to no pressure placed on scum, who can simply lie about results in a variety of fashions.
Do you disagree with anything I just said?
Yes I do, but I can't talk about it.
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Why are you interested specifically in Tanarin's reads?
This is the most passive OMGUS I've ever seen.
Are...
Are you an Iso gimmick?
Oh my god why are you still discussing this
I was awake from 4 a.m. to midnightish that day after about 3 hours of sleep and an 8-hour car ride, as well as 9 hours of work. Don't believe me if you want.
Doesn't feel natural at all.
I haven't read those posts since you asked, so presuming that they're about Arn, no, my opinions haven't changed.
Something you're forgetting is that our Soloist is NOT our only PR.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So... instead of asking Asenion, the one who started the setup analyzing his early reads, you go after me? Especially given I have done none of this setup analyzing you claim I have. The most I have done is suggest that we stop discussing any and all post restrictions we may have because I have a theory in my mind about them. Seems like yet another stretch again from you (The first being about his reply to me in post #55 being a flail)
Actually, now that I read again, where did Asenion want to explicitly out the Piccolo? While he is not opposed to him/her claiming (Post #48), he has not said he wants him to claim and claim now as you seem to be implying he is doing.
As for your question though, my current reads are as follow (In no particular order of strength)
Town Reads:
Asenion, Rand, ITF, and GD (All for similar reasons I have addressed earlier)
Scum Reads:
Iso (Wanting to out the piccolo), Trix (He seems to love stretching arguments)
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@Tan: o0?? I did go after Asenion. For quite a bit of time too. He has since been posting his opinions on more than simply setup analysis. Thus I unvoted him. You're right you never were one who went deep into analyzing the game, instead you have a multitude of posts speaking of how it is bad and very few about other players at all. When you do speak of them it's describing arguments not your opinions or stances on them. Hence I asked you what your opinions of others are. I'm not sure how that is a stretch.
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