MDenham
Wessel
Void
Polski
Generic
Rancid Raptor
swishh
BlackVise
Necropsy
Teia Rabishu
These are my reads at the moment.
When Teia flips scum, we lynch BlackVise or swishh, preferably BV. If both of them are town, then reread the game, then maybe lynch Generic. He's slippery, and he's fooled me once.
Womp-womp.
I had a town read on BV. What makes you scum read him and me over Generic?
By the by, Void has already called you out on chaining lynches. You said MDenham was scum yesterDay (which I thought as well), but what makes you think you can lay out a lynch plan Days in advance without taking into consideration information that may arise later?
Void has already called you out on chaining lynches. You said MDenham was scum yesterDay (which I thought as well), but what makes you think you can lay out a lynch plan Days in advance without taking into consideration information that may arise later?
I told you, it's another way of showing my reads.
I'm town.
MDenham's the cop.
Wessel is town because a counterwagon arose Day 1, and Necropsy was in it. He also was the second to vote Necropsy.
Void's town because if he was scum with him then he would have bussed Necropsy to oblivion.
Polski's town because he was reliably scumhunting Day 1 + gut read. Also would have bussed Necropsy.
Generic is town because of #50, which indicates a town mindset. He's slippery though, so keep a close watch on him.
I don't remember Raptor at all.
You're scummy due to interactions Day 1, but you're a lot less scummy than BV.
BV is scum because of hardcore lurking, the FoS on Wessel, "Teia is very town", and continuing to push Wessel as a lynch.
Some of these will just be re-summarizing what I've already said; all of these are me thinking out loud trying to determine who the third scum is (and who it can't be).
BlackVise: V/LA is one thing; disappearing without mentioning V/LA is another. Also, horrible argument as to why Teia "must be" (give me a break, I'm being lazy on the paraphrase here) town. Counterpoint: I do not believe all of the scum to be such bad players that they would vote each other in RVS, and the only person voting Teia in RVS was BlackVise.
Rancid Raptor: Also pulling disappearing acts, and appears to be content to just "follow" people for the most part. To boot, his posts are mostly horrible. Counterpoint: The last two are more of a newb tell than a scum tell. Also, when called on it, he will engage with the other person at that point in a non-defensive manner.
Generic: And now, to the opposite end of the spectrum. (Warning: this could get long. :D)
This would explain why Teia and Necropsy would feel they could get away with relatively minimal content - this guy has been providing something that could conceivably be called content in large volumes. With respect to vote-timing arguments, he's one of the three people on the list of "possible scum positions" (the other two being swishh and Wessel - and the argument being that scum will not normally start a wagon, be L-2, or hammer, in an attempt to avoid easily-analyzed votes) when Necropsy claimed. Wessel proceeded to hammer Necropsy, and is experienced enough to recognize that this vote would attract scrutiny, so - for the time being, at least - I'll set him aside as town. I'll get to swishh next.
I notice - after looking through the rest of the thread - that Generic has been concentrating on Proph a lot. I'm not sure what to make of that at this point, but considering that my read on Proph for the majority of the game has been "town or at least leaning town", I don't like it much.
Finally, Teia's interactions with Generic have been fairly similar to her interactions with Necropsy.
Counterpoint: Based on Necropsy's play, he appears to be in the "interact minimally with the other scum" camp. There's just too much interaction from Necropsy's end for this to make sense.
swishh: Horrible naked votes on Day 1, and aside from the (probably) town-vs.-town slapfight with Void a lot of posts have been very terse. Also, the vote-timing argument applies here. Counterpoint: Probably phoneposting on a frequent basis, and Day 2 has at least had some good analysis. And the vote-timing argument is solely an argument on probability anyway.
Also, to answer your question, swishh: I'm fairly certain about Wessel being town and while I was of the opinion that you were scum on Day 1, I'm pretty sure that I was wrong about that.
Proph: Based on Necropsy's play and his attempt to be super-distant from the rest of the scum, would you agree that the likely candidates for the third scum are BV, Generic, and in a far-distant third Void?
Also, I'd like to point back to Necropsy's horrible read list:
swishh
Lots of quotes, little content. Mostly one line questions about other players, and baseless statements; 'greetings, you are scum' 'just gunna Omgus etc from #78. It's hard trying to get an unbiased read from someone trying to string you up, but I think he is just strong-willed town with a misread.
Polski
Was late to the table and I haven't any strong reads, however in #77 he seems to try and diffuse conflict between Prophylaxis and I. I'm not sure if this is just Polski having confident town reads on both of us, or an attempt to keep Prophyl's name on he down low a little more. I'm confused by him.
Teia Rabishu
Seems to be pointing fingers a lot but not contributing too much in my eyes. As in #64, lots of questions but no opinions nor answers. Again in #75
BlackVise
Tunnelling Wessel. Would like some more justification before reading further. Could be BWey or just vote-happy. My lack of any meta knowledge means I can't make the call between the two as yet.
MDenham
Not reading the controversial smileys as scummy or nervous, just part of mindless rvs banter. Later posts seem constrictive and insightful, even if somewhat damning on me. Once again, hard to not have bias for someone who mistrusts you, but I townread MDenham.
Caex Kothar
Not really contributing much, more posting passing observations as in #55. #94 is not much more insightful. Null reading, maybe bored town
Rancid Raptor
Noob behavior statement in post #35 seems matter-of-fact to me, and not an AtE or excuse. Begins asking towny questions around #51, so town reading.
Generic
Thought the null vote wasn't really an attempt to distance him from a vote, more, just icebreaking during rvs. Got defensive (angry/AtE posts
#31 #32 #38 a la 'single Me out' AtE, 'kennedy conspiracy' bitter sarcasm and 'high horse' rage) which seemed scummy to me at the time.
Wessel
Hyper-aggressive against Generic in early game (#23), looking bandwagoney; but as he began his justifications, looked strongly inquisitive rather than scummy. Recently, his confident reads and his rich content has me strongly townreading him.
Prophylaxis
In #54, starts backing Generic strongly for no immediately apparent reason. I suspected buddying between the two, but am now feeling Generic is reading more town. After #66 he disappears so I have nothing new to say here.
Apologies for lack of formatting or quotes, on a tablet and no access to a computer for the forseeable future.
Confirmed people are bolded and colored appropriately; other people are colored based on his reads. (Generic is in purple because Necropsy changes his read from "scummy" to "town" over the course of the post. Names in black are where Necropsy sat on the fence.)
Note (1) that Necropsy ignored Void entirely and (2) that his town reads are highly correlated with actually being town - not surprising considering that he knew who was town to begin with.
If you can't see where this is leading, here's a bunny with a pancake on its head.
The third scum is most likely one of the people for whom Necropsy claimed to not have a strong read - or the person he ignored. This means Polski, BlackVise, Generic, Proph, or Void.
I'm confident enough in my reads to Polski and Proph to rule them out at this time. I'm not ruling Void out solely because I'm not convinced he wouldn't sit out on bussing Necropsy when Teia was already on that bus.
How are you as close to confirmed town as you could be short a mod confirmation?
It's the vote-timing argument again: scum do not normally put their vote in at times when their vote is more likely to be scrutinized. Which, in general, means that scum will not start wagons, put someone at L-2, or hammer. Keep in mind that it's strictly an argument on "the average scum", however. If certain people are playing (Iso, Seppel, and Cyan come immediately to mind) all bets are off with respect to this.
In addition, if Proph is scum, I don't doubt that he'd start wagons specifically to subvert this, which makes me wonder why he's claiming it confirms him as town.
Actually, considering that Proph's votes have been "first on (me), first on (Necropsy), first on (Teia), L-2 (Teia, after unvoting)" I don't like it at all, but let's go with the caught scum toDay before trying to figure out if Proph is just trying to mess with me or is actual scum.
This is sunday morning, I got Church, after church I'll read and have content.
But as of lastNight period, I was looking at Swish, Tiea and Wessel. For some reason I had a feeling if Tiea is Town, wessel is scum and visa versa. Don't know why, gut feeling.
I'll be back in around 5 hours and start reading. BUT till then
I think The Wessel Hammer is a null tull as it was survival. I havn't played with wessel to know if he/she is usualy worried about wagons changing enough to be the hammer.
Swish is grinding my gears for some reason. The sudden vote change, no reasons for, And announcing it is at L-1. Anyone in this game should of known what L-X he was at. Its like he was trying to call out to a buddy or someone else to be the hammer so no one would look at him.
Since I doubt a lynch will happen in the next 5 hours or so Vote Swissh
I feel safe in that vote for now, will be back and read.
@MDenham: Sure, Proph could have bussed his rolecop buddy all the way to the lynch to claim town credits, just as you could have faked a guilty claim on Teia to be cleared as the cop. But it's also (or even more so) the overall play of Proph, and you, that make me convinced the two of you are town. You've both been solid in your play, asking good questions and showing sincerity in your arguments and thought processes.
Right. I'm actually fairly certain that Proph knows that I like paying attention to vote-timing and is putting his votes in those spots intentionally to signal "hey, I'm town" to me, but it's still kind of a "messing with me" thing because one of these days he's likely to do it as scum in a game I'm in. Anyway, he's on the list of "if all else fails and I'm misreading people horribly" people.
With regard to Polski: Part of why I'm reading him as town is because he's playing in a fashion fairly close to how I am (only not posting as much). Granted, this isn't anywhere near an infallible read. I'm trying to find where people are attacking him and not having much luck right now (in reference to #222 and his quote of you mentioning that) so I'll get back to you on that after I go see who was attacking him at the time.
This is sunday morning, I got Church, after church I'll read and have content.
But as of lastNight period, I was looking at Swish, Tiea and Wessel. For some reason I had a feeling if Tiea is Town, wessel is scum and visa versa. Don't know why, gut feeling.
I'll be back in around 5 hours and start reading. BUT till then
I think The Wessel Hammer is a null tull as it was survival. I havn't played with wessel to know if he/she is usualy worried about wagons changing enough to be the hammer.
Swish is grinding my gears for some reason. The sudden vote change, no reasons for, And announcing it is at L-1. Anyone in this game should of known what L-X he was at. Its like he was trying to call out to a buddy or someone else to be the hammer so no one would look at him.
Since I doubt a lynch will happen in the next 5 hours or so Vote Swissh
I feel safe in that vote for now, will be back and read.
I already explained my naked votes, which were made from phone. Find some other reason that I am scum.
@Wessel: I agree that Proph is town. I disagree that he is confirmed.
The third scum is almost certainly in Generic/Void/Raptor/BV. If we have a doctor or watcher in this setup, town is in a very good position.
Void's lack of posting today is unsettling. Teia's push on me is good evidence that I am town and her defending-Void-by-proxy Day 1 doesn't look good for Void.
Quick post to say Wheat says hi to Proph, and that he promises not to misvig everyone this time!
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Also why does everyone continue to be scummy?
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Lastly, @swishh: Ok regarding Proph. But though it's not really confirmed, out of all the players, I'd say he's pretty much the very likely to be town.
Also, regarding naked votes; to it me isn't even so much the act of doing it, I'd just want to know your reasoning behind the votes themselves. Like, can you tell me why you voted me in the first place? And why you then switched back to Necropsy?
I thought I did multiple times.
I was fairly confident that Necropsy was scum yesterDay, but MDenham was pinging high on my scum radar (I suspect intentionally so he wouldn't be the NK as cop), so when I mistakenly thought I saw him vote Necropsy, I started second-guessing myself. I switched back once I logged on from my laptop and saw that he indeed did not vote Necropsy.
I am here. Will be responding to everything later today.
Quick note is how swishh latches onto the Chaining Lynches portion toDay, but didn't make an effort to comment about it yesterDay.
...
Of everything that has happened toDay (MDenham's claim, Teia's near-confirmation, Proph's self-declaration of being clear, ...), THIS is what you think is noteworthy? This is a lot like what you did with Wessel yesterDay viz-a-viz his use of "were" and "feels." (totally bogus mud slinging)
So, Void, are you severely mistaken town (your scum theory yesterday was Proph/swishh/Wessel) or desperate scum?
no I'm saying I think Void is latching onto some insignificant shred of whatever he considers a scum tell and tunneling me into oblivion for it. I think he's town because this is pretty standard for his meta, but our going back and forth isn't going to do anything.
Swishh, you believed me to be Town here because of meta and now you're questioning read on me.
Yet you claim that meta has little meaning to you as seen below (Quote pulled from swishh's most recent completed game Disney Villain's Mafia were swishh was scum)
no I'm saying I think Void is latching onto some insignificant shred of whatever he considers a scum tell and tunneling me into oblivion for it. I think he's town because this is pretty standard for his meta, but our going back and forth isn't going to do anything.
Swishh, you believed me to be Town here because of meta and now you're questioning read on me.
Yet you claim that meta has little meaning to you as seen below (Quote pulled from swishh's most recent completed game Disney Villain's Mafia were swishh was scum)
I town read you at a point yesterDay. That does not mean I continue to town read you toDay. I was scum in the game that I said meta has very little weight for me. No further explanation required.
You were clearly asking a loaded question. Either he says he's town and this in your question is admitting to being completely wrong, or if he refuses to give up on his reads he must be scum?
You started the Day OK. You had a distrust of Proph and Wessel, and while I thought it was painfully obvious that Necropsy was scum, the fact that you saw the two of them spearheading his lynch was a decent enough excuse not to vote him.
The we had the whole "unvote" business which I found completely ludicrous, hence the obstinacy in my replies to you about it. That back-and-forth fizzled out rather abruptly and returned to attacking Wessel.
Post 170 is where things started getting iffy for you.
Why are you chaining lynches? Do you really believe that your game has improved that much that you KNOW everything about a single Mafia game when we are 170 posts into the game?
This is a comment along the same lines as the one you tunneled me in Legend of Lucian for, similar to the one that got Tyzmo executed in FHF (hence your conviction that I was scum in LOL). But that's not what I found problematic. That comment was in reply to one by Proph in which he lays out a lynch plan including Necropsy (confirmed), Teia (nearly-confirmed), and you. What you said sounded like an attempt to appeal to Proph's self doubt out of frustration that he was onto something.
Wessel contradicting himself? This is a rare occasion. Please notice the bold in the response. Looking above, Wessel orignally called Necorpsy's post inadequate (bolded above this response), but later saus they only FEEL inadquate.
Wessel, please explain why you went from "were" to "feels".
God are you serious?
Are you actually serious?
Fine.
Forget everything else, this is the most scummy thing anyone has said the whole game. You're actually attacking me, wilfully misrepresenting that in the first quote I said 'were inadequate' and then 'feel inadequate', claiming I'm contradicting myself? Are you even for real?
Unvote, vote Void.
I take back my words on swishh. Looking at Void here, swishh is probably just playing badly.
Here you attack Wessel for something equally ludicrous as the unvote-issue you attacked me for, and Wessel is exhibiting a similar level of frustration about it.
No Void, I'm not. Also, what was your reason again for having Proph as one of your main suspects? Because you said it isn't a town mindset to answer something with a question about something else? Then tell me how that is a scum mindset.
Quote the post please. You're emotions are making this hard to read.
Oh, and yet again.
So, essentially, you've almost completely ignored Necropsy, Teia, Generic, BV, RR, MDenham, and Polski, instead opting to tunnel me, Proph, and Wessel. Perhaps you can explain how this is town behavior.
Also, if Teia doesn't return, I think a modkill would be in order, but only if that doesn't end the Day.
Well, you're certainly bloodthirsty, aren't you?
Anyway, I'm simply VT this time around. I dunno why MDenham claimed to have copped me as scum. Maybe I was wrong in my scum reads and he was trying to draw out the real cop or something. I'm not going to engage in WIFOM here, though.
You started the Day OK. You had a distrust of Proph and Wessel, and while I thought it was painfully obvious that Necropsy was scum, the fact that you saw the two of them spearheading his lynch was a decent enough excuse not to vote him.
The we had the whole "unvote" business which I found completely ludicrous, hence the obstinacy in my replies to you about it. That back-and-forth fizzled out rather abruptly and returned to attacking Wessel.
Oh, so I’m not supposed to question something I find odd? Just because you believe it to be ludicrous doesn’t make it so. I wasn’t only the only one who found you’re statement odd. But of course you leave out that information here. You’re trying to paint me scummy and it’s not working.
Why are you chaining lynches? Do you really believe that your game has improved that much that you KNOW everything about a single Mafia game when we are 170 posts into the game?
This is a comment along the same lines as the one you tunneled me in Legend of Lucian for, similar to the one that got Tyzmo executed in FHF (hence your conviction that I was scum in LOL). But that's not what I found problematic. That comment was in reply to one by Proph in which he lays out a lynch plan including Necropsy (confirmed), Teia (nearly-confirmed), and you. What you said sounded like an attempt to appeal to Proph's self doubt out of frustration that he was onto something.
Tyzmo got executed in FHF for his buddy up post to me amongst other posts. But it was his buddy up post that got him executed.
Why are you assuming bad information? Also, “sounded like”, really? Semantics will be semantics, but how unsure about this are you?
I wasn’t casting any doubt on Prophy in that post. I was scum hunting him because he was one my top suspects at that time. The only thing you managed to do here is twist what is actually being done. Just like your play from Disney Villain Mafia, you’re twisting what you can and seeing if other buy into it.
Wessel contradicting himself? This is a rare occasion. Please notice the bold in the response. Looking above, Wessel orignally called Necorpsy's post inadequate (bolded above this response), but later saus they only FEEL inadquate.
Wessel, please explain why you went from "were" to "feels".
God are you serious?
Are you actually serious?
Fine.
Forget everything else, this is the most scummy thing anyone has said the whole game. You're actually attacking me, wilfully misrepresenting that in the first quote I said 'were inadequate' and then 'feel inadequate', claiming I'm contradicting myself? Are you even for real?
Unvote, vote Void.
I take back my words on swishh. Looking at Void here, swishh is probably just playing badly.
Here you attack Wessel for something equally ludicrous as the unvote-issue you attacked me for, and Wessel is exhibiting a similar level of frustration about it.
You did not exhibit the behavior of one that is frustrated. You’re behavior exhibited one of whom would be annoyed. You admitted that I rub you the wrong way.
Wessel did show frustration in his post because he believed that I was using something insignificant to gain a read on him. Albeit, the contradiction wasn’t the strongest point, but it is still a contradiction in wording.
... Wessel, you're letting your ermotions clog your vision.
Another appeal to emotion/attempt to spark a level of doubt within Wessel, something you seem to do whenever someone is suspicious of you.
That is not what that post is at all. Emotions can make it hard to read another player, more so when it is frustration. I was attempting to get Wessel to realize that he was acting out of emotion rather than his normal analysis style posting.
No Void, I'm not. Also, what was your reason again for having Proph as one of your main suspects? Because you said it isn't a town mindset to answer something with a question about something else? Then tell me how that is a scum mindset.
Quote the post please. You're emotions are making this hard to read.
Oh, and yet again.
So, essentially, you've almost completely ignored Necropsy, Teia, Generic, BV, RR, MDenham, and Polski, instead opting to tunnel me, Proph, and Wessel. Perhaps you can explain how this is town behavior.
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize I was REQUIRED to talk to everyone in this game. I thought that the objective of this game was to find the scum and get rid of them, but apparently Mr. swishh over there knows so much more about this game than me.
It’s not an appeal to emotion, swishh. The following would be an AtE: “Wessel, please don’t lynch me you know that I am Town this game.” That is AtE.
What I am stating is not to appeal to Wessel, but an attempt to get him more clear headed.
Who cares if I didn’t talk to them yesterDay? And since I didn’t interact with them how does that affect your read on me?
So what you have described here is as followed:
You called me Town based on a meta read. Even though you don’t hold much stock in meta. Or is that a lie from the other game?
You questioned my scum hunting over your unvote clause and failed to mention Wessel who also commented about that post and thought you to be scum because of it. Painting me scummy for it.
You misrepresented the game state of FHF Re: Tyzmo to paint me as scum.
You assumed bad information about my posts in regards to Prophy and Wessel Re: AtE.
You twisted what I was doing to fit your perspective.
Be that as it may. Void has a way of rubbing me the wrong way.
Do you mean to say you ARE being willfully obtuse? And your reason is because he rubs you the wrong way? If so, that's incredibly unhelpful and does not earn you any town credit at all.
Polski, why do you care if swishh is earning Town Credit?
What does being "super cavalier" have to do with voting someone who fypov should be confirmed scum?
You asked why I didn't snap-vote at the start of the day, and you asked why I didn't snap-vote now (before I've even finished giving the content I missed a full reread). The hell is so important about voting him right away? What would that even accomplish?
You started the Day OK. You had a distrust of Proph and Wessel, and while I thought it was painfully obvious that Necropsy was scum, the fact that you saw the two of them spearheading his lynch was a decent enough excuse not to vote him.
The we had the whole "unvote" business which I found completely ludicrous, hence the obstinacy in my replies to you about it. That back-and-forth fizzled out rather abruptly and returned to attacking Wessel.
Oh, so I’m not supposed to question something I find odd? Just because you believe it to be ludicrous doesn’t make it so. I wasn’t only the only one who found you’re statement odd. But of course you leave out that information here. You’re trying to paint me scummy and it’s not working.
Nope, if you will pay attention to my post you will realize that the unvote issue is not a factor in my thinking you a scum. These factors immediately followed that.
Why are you chaining lynches? Do you really believe that your game has improved that much that you KNOW everything about a single Mafia game when we are 170 posts into the game?
This is a comment along the same lines as the one you tunneled me in Legend of Lucian for, similar to the one that got Tyzmo executed in FHF (hence your conviction that I was scum in LOL). But that's not what I found problematic. That comment was in reply to one by Proph in which he lays out a lynch plan including Necropsy (confirmed), Teia (nearly-confirmed), and you. What you said sounded like an attempt to appeal to Proph's self doubt out of frustration that he was onto something.
Tyzmo got executed in FHF for his buddy up post to me amongst other posts. But it was his buddy up post that got him executed.
And yet you were insistent that I was scum in LOL for this very reason. So was it a scumslip on Tyzmo's part or not?
I wasn’t casting any doubt on Prophy in that post. I was scum hunting him because he was one my top suspects at that time. The only thing you managed to do here is twist what is actually being done. Just like your play from Disney Villain Mafia, you’re twisting what you can and seeing if other buy into it.
Wessel contradicting himself? This is a rare occasion. Please notice the bold in the response. Looking above, Wessel orignally called Necorpsy's post inadequate (bolded above this response), but later saus they only FEEL inadquate.
Wessel, please explain why you went from "were" to "feels".
God are you serious?
Are you actually serious?
Fine.
Forget everything else, this is the most scummy thing anyone has said the whole game. You're actually attacking me, wilfully misrepresenting that in the first quote I said 'were inadequate' and then 'feel inadequate', claiming I'm contradicting myself? Are you even for real?
Unvote, vote Void.
I take back my words on swishh. Looking at Void here, swishh is probably just playing badly.
Here you attack Wessel for something equally ludicrous as the unvote-issue you attacked me for, and Wessel is exhibiting a similar level of frustration about it.
You did not exhibit the behavior of one that is frustrated. You’re behavior exhibited one of whom would be annoyed. You admitted that I rub you the wrong way.
I think I remember how I felt about your comments. I was frustrated.
Wessel did show frustration in his post because he believed that I was using something insignificant to gain a read on him. Albeit, the contradiction wasn’t the strongest point, but it is still a contradiction in wording.
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize I was REQUIRED to talk to everyone in this game. I thought that the objective of this game was to find the scum and get rid of them, but apparently Mr. swishh over there knows so much more about this game than me.
I haven't directly addressed every player equally, and I'm not saying you should. But you have barely addressed anyone except me, Wessel, and Proph.
It’s not an appeal to emotion, swishh. The following would be an AtE: “Wessel, please don’t lynch me you know that I am Town this game.” That is AtE.
What I am stating is not to appeal to Wessel, but an attempt to get him more clear headed.
Who cares if I didn’t talk to them yesterDay? And since I didn’t interact with them how does that affect your read on me?
What I'm getting at is that your entire theory that me, Wessel, and Proph are scum is logically impossible. You have still failed to address the fact that MDenham has guiltied Teia.
So what you have described here is as followed:
You called me Town based on a meta read. Even though you don’t hold much stock in meta. Or is that a lie from the other game?
You questioned my scum hunting over your unvote clause and failed to mention Wessel who also commented about that post and thought you to be scum because of it. Painting me scummy for it.
I've lost count of how many times you've miscontrued my comments. I DID NOT SCUM READ YOU FOR QUESTIONING ME ABOUT THE UNVOTE CLAUSE. DRILL THAT INTO YOUR HEAD AND STOP BRINGING IT UP.[/QUOTE]
You misrepresented the game state of FHF Re: Tyzmo to paint me as scum.
I already addressed this. In LOL you and I were town and you were certain I was scum for the comment I made similar to Tyzmo's, immediately after which he was executed. You are the one misrepresenting the game state.
What does being "super cavalier" have to do with voting someone who fypov should be confirmed scum?
You asked why I didn't snap-vote at the start of the day, and you asked why I didn't snap-vote now (before I've even finished giving the content I missed a full reread). The hell is so important about voting him right away? What would that even accomplish?
I didn't until I saw him claim cop and say I'm scum. Now I guess he'd have to be. Which leaves my other reads up in the air since obviously MDenham, Wessel, and you can't all be scum.
Though the Planeswalkers came into the Day with slight doubt in their minds, one objective became very apparent to them:
Kill Teia.
The death and burn spells piled on to Teia Rabishu until she could take no more, and keeled over, dead.
Feh.
Another servant dead.
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Teia Rabishu has been lynched. She was Elspeth Tirel, Mafia Goon.
It is now Night 2. Night actions are due to ZeDorkSlipeur and myself within 72 hours of this post. You may discuss any uses of your role within your clan QT.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The Planeswalkers gather for yet another arduous Day of fighting amongst themselves. I, the great Nicol Bolas, watch on in amusement as they find another of their comrades torn limb from limb.
Wessel has been killed. He was Sorin Markov, Town Vanilla.
It is now Day 3. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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Generic's last post of yesterday miffed me something bad. Even if we had a doctor, the doctor should of known to Save the cop, but announcing it like that would make the mafia think twice before choosing him. Its the oen time I wanted to reach out and strangle someone.
Wessel being dead reflects badly on Polski (but doesn't confirm him as scum); Rancid Raptor is still posting horribly; and at this point I'm fairly sure my ability is useless and the remaining scum is a godfather.
Once again, I'll nudge BlackVise to post because at this point he seems to be our good-luck charm.
Because there was a lot more suspicion on Wessel than proph. And why do you think your ability is useless? Did you get an inno on someone you didn't expect to?
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Womp-womp.
I had a town read on BV. What makes you scum read him and me over Generic?
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I told you, it's another way of showing my reads.
I'm town.
MDenham's the cop.
Wessel is town because a counterwagon arose Day 1, and Necropsy was in it. He also was the second to vote Necropsy.
Void's town because if he was scum with him then he would have bussed Necropsy to oblivion.
Polski's town because he was reliably scumhunting Day 1 + gut read. Also would have bussed Necropsy.
Generic is town because of #50, which indicates a town mindset. He's slippery though, so keep a close watch on him.
I don't remember Raptor at all.
You're scummy due to interactions Day 1, but you're a lot less scummy than BV.
BV is scum because of hardcore lurking, the FoS on Wessel, "Teia is very town", and continuing to push Wessel as a lynch.
See?
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How are you as close to confirmed town as you could be short a mod confirmation?
Some of these will just be re-summarizing what I've already said; all of these are me thinking out loud trying to determine who the third scum is (and who it can't be).
BlackVise: V/LA is one thing; disappearing without mentioning V/LA is another. Also, horrible argument as to why Teia "must be" (give me a break, I'm being lazy on the paraphrase here) town. Counterpoint: I do not believe all of the scum to be such bad players that they would vote each other in RVS, and the only person voting Teia in RVS was BlackVise.
Rancid Raptor: Also pulling disappearing acts, and appears to be content to just "follow" people for the most part. To boot, his posts are mostly horrible. Counterpoint: The last two are more of a newb tell than a scum tell. Also, when called on it, he will engage with the other person at that point in a non-defensive manner.
Generic: And now, to the opposite end of the spectrum. (Warning: this could get long. :D)
This would explain why Teia and Necropsy would feel they could get away with relatively minimal content - this guy has been providing something that could conceivably be called content in large volumes. With respect to vote-timing arguments, he's one of the three people on the list of "possible scum positions" (the other two being swishh and Wessel - and the argument being that scum will not normally start a wagon, be L-2, or hammer, in an attempt to avoid easily-analyzed votes) when Necropsy claimed. Wessel proceeded to hammer Necropsy, and is experienced enough to recognize that this vote would attract scrutiny, so - for the time being, at least - I'll set him aside as town. I'll get to swishh next.
I notice - after looking through the rest of the thread - that Generic has been concentrating on Proph a lot. I'm not sure what to make of that at this point, but considering that my read on Proph for the majority of the game has been "town or at least leaning town", I don't like it much.
Finally, Teia's interactions with Generic have been fairly similar to her interactions with Necropsy.
Counterpoint: Based on Necropsy's play, he appears to be in the "interact minimally with the other scum" camp. There's just too much interaction from Necropsy's end for this to make sense.
swishh: Horrible naked votes on Day 1, and aside from the (probably) town-vs.-town slapfight with Void a lot of posts have been very terse. Also, the vote-timing argument applies here. Counterpoint: Probably phoneposting on a frequent basis, and Day 2 has at least had some good analysis. And the vote-timing argument is solely an argument on probability anyway.
Also, to answer your question, swishh: I'm fairly certain about Wessel being town and while I was of the opinion that you were scum on Day 1, I'm pretty sure that I was wrong about that.
Proph: Based on Necropsy's play and his attempt to be super-distant from the rest of the scum, would you agree that the likely candidates for the third scum are BV, Generic, and in a far-distant third Void?
Also, I'd like to point back to Necropsy's horrible read list:
Confirmed people are bolded and colored appropriately; other people are colored based on his reads. (Generic is in purple because Necropsy changes his read from "scummy" to "town" over the course of the post. Names in black are where Necropsy sat on the fence.)
Note (1) that Necropsy ignored Void entirely and (2) that his town reads are highly correlated with actually being town - not surprising considering that he knew who was town to begin with.
If you can't see where this is leading, here's a bunny with a pancake on its head.
I'm confident enough in my reads to Polski and Proph to rule them out at this time. I'm not ruling Void out solely because I'm not convinced he wouldn't sit out on bussing Necropsy when Teia was already on that bus.
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In addition, if Proph is scum, I don't doubt that he'd start wagons specifically to subvert this, which makes me wonder why he's claiming it confirms him as town.
Actually, considering that Proph's votes have been "first on (me), first on (Necropsy), first on (Teia), L-2 (Teia, after unvoting)" I don't like it at all, but let's go with the caught scum toDay before trying to figure out if Proph is just trying to mess with me or is actual scum.
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This is sunday morning, I got Church, after church I'll read and have content.
But as of lastNight period, I was looking at Swish, Tiea and Wessel. For some reason I had a feeling if Tiea is Town, wessel is scum and visa versa. Don't know why, gut feeling.
I'll be back in around 5 hours and start reading. BUT till then
I think The Wessel Hammer is a null tull as it was survival. I havn't played with wessel to know if he/she is usualy worried about wagons changing enough to be the hammer.
Swish is grinding my gears for some reason. The sudden vote change, no reasons for, And announcing it is at L-1. Anyone in this game should of known what L-X he was at. Its like he was trying to call out to a buddy or someone else to be the hammer so no one would look at him.
Since I doubt a lynch will happen in the next 5 hours or so Vote Swissh
I feel safe in that vote for now, will be back and read.
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With regard to Polski: Part of why I'm reading him as town is because he's playing in a fashion fairly close to how I am (only not posting as much). Granted, this isn't anywhere near an infallible read. I'm trying to find where people are attacking him and not having much luck right now (in reference to #222 and his quote of you mentioning that) so I'll get back to you on that after I go see who was attacking him at the time.
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I already explained my naked votes, which were made from phone. Find some other reason that I am scum.
@Wessel: I agree that Proph is town. I disagree that he is confirmed.
The third scum is almost certainly in Generic/Void/Raptor/BV. If we have a doctor or watcher in this setup, town is in a very good position.
Void's lack of posting today is unsettling. Teia's push on me is good evidence that I am town and her defending-Void-by-proxy Day 1 doesn't look good for Void.
I thought I did multiple times.
I was fairly confident that Necropsy was scum yesterDay, but MDenham was pinging high on my scum radar (I suspect intentionally so he wouldn't be the NK as cop), so when I mistakenly thought I saw him vote Necropsy, I started second-guessing myself. I switched back once I logged on from my laptop and saw that he indeed did not vote Necropsy.
I still feel good about my Swishh Vote.
Also what? Generic is claiming cop already? I would of thought Scum cop might of rulled out Cop for Town. Suspicious.
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I missed that. Reading agian, gah. At least I've taken some pills for my headache, shouldn't miss it this time.
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How reliable do you think your scum read on me is when you're not sure who claimed cop?
Because my head hurt earlier So I couldn't rely on the previous read. I thought I saw something, Trying to make sure I didn't Derp hard.
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Quick note is how swishh latches onto the Chaining Lynches portion toDay, but didn't make an effort to comment about it yesterDay.
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Of everything that has happened toDay (MDenham's claim, Teia's near-confirmation, Proph's self-declaration of being clear, ...), THIS is what you think is noteworthy? This is a lot like what you did with Wessel yesterDay viz-a-viz his use of "were" and "feels." (totally bogus mud slinging)
So, Void, are you severely mistaken town (your scum theory yesterday was Proph/swishh/Wessel) or desperate scum?
Why are you misconstruing my post? I asked if you were town or scum.
Very well, then. You have some explaining to do swishh.
Swishh, you believed me to be Town here because of meta and now you're questioning read on me.
Yet you claim that meta has little meaning to you as seen below (Quote pulled from swishh's most recent completed game Disney Villain's Mafia were swishh was scum)
Please explain.
I town read you at a point yesterDay. That does not mean I continue to town read you toDay.
I was scum in the game that I said meta has very little weight for me. No further explanation required.
Pretty much, yes.
I'm so glad you asked!
You started the Day OK. You had a distrust of Proph and Wessel, and while I thought it was painfully obvious that Necropsy was scum, the fact that you saw the two of them spearheading his lynch was a decent enough excuse not to vote him.
The we had the whole "unvote" business which I found completely ludicrous, hence the obstinacy in my replies to you about it. That back-and-forth fizzled out rather abruptly and returned to attacking Wessel.
Post 170 is where things started getting iffy for you.
This is a comment along the same lines as the one you tunneled me in Legend of Lucian for, similar to the one that got Tyzmo executed in FHF (hence your conviction that I was scum in LOL). But that's not what I found problematic. That comment was in reply to one by Proph in which he lays out a lynch plan including Necropsy (confirmed), Teia (nearly-confirmed), and you. What you said sounded like an attempt to appeal to Proph's self doubt out of frustration that he was onto something.
Here you attack Wessel for something equally ludicrous as the unvote-issue you attacked me for, and Wessel is exhibiting a similar level of frustration about it.
Another appeal to emotion/attempt to spark a level of doubt within Wessel, something you seem to do whenever someone is suspicious of you.
Oh, and yet again.
So, essentially, you've almost completely ignored Necropsy, Teia, Generic, BV, RR, MDenham, and Polski, instead opting to tunnel me, Proph, and Wessel. Perhaps you can explain how this is town behavior.
Well, you're certainly bloodthirsty, aren't you?
Anyway, I'm simply VT this time around. I dunno why MDenham claimed to have copped me as scum. Maybe I was wrong in my scum reads and he was trying to draw out the real cop or something. I'm not going to engage in WIFOM here, though.
Because I'm not the kind of player who's super cavalier with their voting. Also because I'm still trying to get caught up after prerelease weekend.
What does being "super cavalier" have to do with voting someone who fypov should be confirmed scum?
Would anyone object if I put Teia at L-1?
Oh, so I’m not supposed to question something I find odd? Just because you believe it to be ludicrous doesn’t make it so. I wasn’t only the only one who found you’re statement odd. But of course you leave out that information here. You’re trying to paint me scummy and it’s not working.
Tyzmo got executed in FHF for his buddy up post to me amongst other posts. But it was his buddy up post that got him executed.
Why are you assuming bad information? Also, “sounded like”, really? Semantics will be semantics, but how unsure about this are you?
I wasn’t casting any doubt on Prophy in that post. I was scum hunting him because he was one my top suspects at that time. The only thing you managed to do here is twist what is actually being done. Just like your play from Disney Villain Mafia, you’re twisting what you can and seeing if other buy into it.
You did not exhibit the behavior of one that is frustrated. You’re behavior exhibited one of whom would be annoyed. You admitted that I rub you the wrong way.
Wessel did show frustration in his post because he believed that I was using something insignificant to gain a read on him. Albeit, the contradiction wasn’t the strongest point, but it is still a contradiction in wording.
That is not what that post is at all. Emotions can make it hard to read another player, more so when it is frustration. I was attempting to get Wessel to realize that he was acting out of emotion rather than his normal analysis style posting.
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize I was REQUIRED to talk to everyone in this game. I thought that the objective of this game was to find the scum and get rid of them, but apparently Mr. swishh over there knows so much more about this game than me.
It’s not an appeal to emotion, swishh. The following would be an AtE: “Wessel, please don’t lynch me you know that I am Town this game.” That is AtE.
What I am stating is not to appeal to Wessel, but an attempt to get him more clear headed.
Who cares if I didn’t talk to them yesterDay? And since I didn’t interact with them how does that affect your read on me?
So what you have described here is as followed:
You called me Town based on a meta read. Even though you don’t hold much stock in meta. Or is that a lie from the other game?
You questioned my scum hunting over your unvote clause and failed to mention Wessel who also commented about that post and thought you to be scum because of it. Painting me scummy for it.
You misrepresented the game state of FHF Re: Tyzmo to paint me as scum.
You assumed bad information about my posts in regards to Prophy and Wessel Re: AtE.
You twisted what I was doing to fit your perspective.
Vote: swishh
Polski, why do you care if swishh is earning Town Credit?
You asked why I didn't snap-vote at the start of the day, and you asked why I didn't snap-vote now (before I've even finished giving the content I missed a full reread). The hell is so important about voting him right away? What would that even accomplish?
Nope, if you will pay attention to my post you will realize that the unvote issue is not a factor in my thinking you a scum. These factors immediately followed that.
And yet you were insistent that I was scum in LOL for this very reason. So was it a scumslip on Tyzmo's part or not?
Another attempt to make someone doubt a scum read on you?
I am?
I think I remember how I felt about your comments. I was frustrated.
I disagree.
I haven't directly addressed every player equally, and I'm not saying you should. But you have barely addressed anyone except me, Wessel, and Proph.
What I'm getting at is that your entire theory that me, Wessel, and Proph are scum is logically impossible. You have still failed to address the fact that MDenham has guiltied Teia.
That was a lie, as I already indicated.
I've lost count of how many times you've miscontrued my comments. I DID NOT SCUM READ YOU FOR QUESTIONING ME ABOUT THE UNVOTE CLAUSE. DRILL THAT INTO YOUR HEAD AND STOP BRINGING IT UP.[/QUOTE]
I already addressed this. In LOL you and I were town and you were certain I was scum for the comment I made similar to Tyzmo's, immediately after which he was executed. You are the one misrepresenting the game state.
What exactly did I assume?
Again, what do you make of the fact that MDenham has guiltied Teia? Why are you not voting one of them?
Do you think MDenham is scum?
I didn't until I saw him claim cop and say I'm scum. Now I guess he'd have to be. Which leaves my other reads up in the air since obviously MDenham, Wessel, and you can't all be scum.
Nice job dodging my questions, too.
Convenient that you and Void have such similar reads by the way.
Vote: Teia
Vote Teia Rabishu
While we're in twilight, I'd like as many people as possible to mention their most likely candidate for third scum.
My candidate: Generic.
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Scum Teia always self-hammers.
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First Rai in MM7, now swishh in CCM7.
Polski has my attention going into Night.
Kill Teia.
The death and burn spells piled on to Teia Rabishu until she could take no more, and keeled over, dead.
Feh.
Another servant dead.
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Teia Rabishu has been lynched. She was Elspeth Tirel, Mafia Goon.
It is now Night 2. Night actions are due to ZeDorkSlipeur and myself within 72 hours of this post. You may discuss any uses of your role within your clan QT.
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Wessel has been killed. He was Sorin Markov, Town Vanilla.
It is now Day 3. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
The deadline is set for July 28th.
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Wessel being dead reflects badly on Polski (but doesn't confirm him as scum); Rancid Raptor is still posting horribly; and at this point I'm fairly sure my ability is useless and the remaining scum is a godfather.
Once again, I'll nudge BlackVise to post because at this point he seems to be our good-luck charm.
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