I lol'ed. Pinky's attack on me is nothing more than a clever attempt to mask an OMGUS overreaction to me stating that it is plausible that she and Proph are scum together. She is clearly overusing the 'Boobs' thing in an attempt to alleviate someone's(Tar I think) attack on her for only joking around when she is scum. And beyond that, she is very careful to never actually defend Proph in her attack on me. Never once while she is decrying my attack on Proph(which she does through using my response to Taredas), does she even remotely tie this all into Proph's alignment. This cannot be a coincidence. Vote Pinky
@AE: Proph does not indicate at any point that he is trying to change the way that he plays. I guess you could take an intuitive leap and say that his 'I am just going to lay low etc etc' statement is his way of saying that he is trying to change his play, but that is a pretty big leap. If anything, when Proph says that his play is better when he is not under pressure, he is indirectly saying that he is playing the same way as he usually does.
@Seppel: You should back up your vote choice by one,it was in a better place then.
@AE: Proph does not indicate at any point that he is trying to change the way that he plays. I guess you could take an intuitive leap and say that his 'I am just going to lay low etc etc' statement is his way of saying that he is trying to change his play, but that is a pretty big leap. If anything, when Proph says that his play is better when he is not under pressure, he is indirectly saying that he is playing the same way as he usually does.
Ok so I'll wait for Pinky to point this out.
@Everyone unvoting or unwilling to vote Proph. Is this due to. 1- it being to early in the game.
Now that I'm not on an iPad, I responded to each of Pinky's points.
This is also baseless information. Scum will either buss their buddy or jump on the wagon quickly because it gives the town little info to go on.
I think I have see only one quick lynch that resulted in a scum lynch. I have seen many a town quicklynch.
You're right, it is absolutely baseless. Which is the entire point I was making. Which is exactly why I said the following:
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Of course, I can't back that up any more than you can the opposite, which is why I'm not trying to use it as a salient point. It's just my personal recollection.
Maybe you 'missed' that part.
Lets think about proph for a moment. What is proph going to be like as scum and town based on what is known of him?
Label's are bad in general. Each person reacts differently and does things differently.
This isn't even a point. For one thing, I didn't say 'what do you expect another person as scum to do in Proph's situtation'. It is inherently implied that when I say 'what do you expect a scum to do in Proph's situation', I am clearly asking what Taredas would expect Proph as scum to do. This is a terrible semantics argument.
And furthermore, 'labels are bad'? What? What are you even talking about? This makes literally zero sense. To expound logically from what you are saying, you can never justifiably lynch someone that is a new player. Because what would you base their lynch on if 'labels are bad'? People get lynched because townies are expected to act a certain way and scum are expected to act a different way. While it is true that there will be some differences in this, there is still going to be a baseline behavior that you can analyze and/or expect out of a person, regardless of whom that person is.
You are trying far, far too hard to make a point here out of absolutely nothing.
Here we have Cyan dismissing any thoughts of a speedlynch being town.
Except that is not at all what I said/what happened. Taredas used mafiascum for anecdotal evidence. I said that he should not do so. Is it possible that Proph is town? Of course. That shouldn't stop the town from lynching him if his behavior warrants it. Which it definitely does.
How was your comment a trap and how did Proph fall for it?
Putting aside the fact that Proph already acknowledged/accepted this point, I was suspect of Proph based on the fact that his behavior was remarkably different than it was in SH. A game where he got run up to have to claim, and is now mod-confirmed town. There should be a reasonable baseline of behavioral analysis between these two games if he is town in both. There is no such baseline, because his behavior is remarkably different. I expected him to explain why, in this game, he is not behaving like he did in a game where I *know* that he was town. He did not explain this. All he did was admit that his behavior was different, which is effectively an admittance of guilt.
Pinky's case is literally one of the worst I have ever read. She and Proph are plainly tied together somehow, and the logical conclusion is that they are both scum.
2) After review, you do occasionally joke in RVS as town. But not in this way - your opening joke was nonconfrontational, and you're quite confrontational as town.
It's a boob joke. There is no way to be confrontational doing a boob joke and no one is saying anything of importance at that point.
Yes there is.
For starters, you could have, you know, thrown down a random vote. Or made some other comment other than just (forced) laughter.
3) You didn't address the "less serious in RVS as scum" part of my argument. At all.
The only one I have on this site is the one from Cyan Mafia. If you want me to dig into MS and search my games you are out of luck. I don't have time to search. Off hand I remember voting for a player because I there play style was a determent to the game and did the same RVS as scum and town for a bit.
Yeah, and as town you hate random stage and pull stuff to get out of it (asking questions, giving your reads, that sort of thing). Then, once out of the random stage, you switch into a mix of questions (with points to them) and firm stances.
4) I double-checked about half of your town games here after dropping my original post to guard against meta change (not all, because I know your meta already). I did catch the one with the "chopping down the cherry tree" joke.
When Pinky offers a read on another player... it's a null read. This often indicates a scum mindset regardless of player (most scum hate coming down on the wrong side of a debate, hence fencesitting), and moreover is not consistent with Pinky's town game.
Emo's actions are confusing and I see a lot of WIFOM. He is trying to defend Proph because he believes Proph is town. He is either scum trying to score brownie points or town that thinks Proph needs to be helped. I didn't see that Proph needed help, but I notice people see things differently and wanted to see if Emo would expand on what he saw.
So far no comment from Emo.
Fencesitting AND mudslinging? You say that Emo is throwing down a lot of WIFOM (aka scum behavior), but don't think he's scum?
Yeah no.
dC: Need to update that Emo read - this plus Emo's 151 strongly suggest that Emo is town. Misguided, but town.
Terse. No explanation of why pointless questions are her favorite scumtell. No questioning to try to figure out fade's alignment. Also, blatant hypocrisy given her questioning this game.
I usually point out pointless questions. Why it's my favorite tell was in regards to an ongoing game at the moment.
That doesn't explain why you're not questioning to figure out fade's alignment. That doesn't explain why your OWN questions this game have been pointless.
In short, that has absolutely nothing to do with my attack. Nice strawman.
And yeah, I know I'm going to be lynched, but definitely not this early.
Can you please evaluate the gamestate if I'm confirmed town? If I'm confirmed, who would you go after and why?
@Wessel, fadeblue, Taredas, EtR, pinky, Emo, dC, AG, Caex: You are the only players who haven't voted for me.
I don't think you are scum. I think you are bad town.
You started vomitting comments into the game and kept going from there. Some I found cute, others I smacked my head and the one where you voted Emo for not defending you deserves a ration of ****. No one should be expected to be helped or defended. Go scum hunt and look to see who you think is scum instead of bring up the same **** over and over.
... I am reconsidering my town read on Proph. (No, not because farside thinks he's town, but rather because that looks like coaching.)
You really think that Proph could be town? Could I oblige you to read Day 1 of Survival Horror(at least to the point where Proph claims if nothing else)?
Why are you pushing a case on Proph where he already stated he was trying to change his game?
unvote:
vote: Cyan
So are you scum looking for towncred or scum trying to defend a partner?
1) L-3 this fast, with only half the players in the game posting? I've seen this sort of thing before, and such wagons are almost always on town - if it was on scum, I'd expect it to form slower, and I'd expect a counterwagon.
This is hugely baseless information. Scum are generally going to wagon a buddy if said buddy is clearly just falling all over himself, and if particular players are involved in the wagon. And I can just as easily say that wagons rarely go THIS quickly on this site, but when they do, it usually results in a scum lynch, because scum don't want to attach themselves to an extremely quick wagon this early in the game. Of course, I can't back that up any more than you can the opposite, which is why I'm not trying to use it as a salient point. It's just my personal recollection.
This is also baseless information. Scum will either buss their buddy or jump on the wagon quickly because it gives the town little info to go on.
I think I have see only one quick lynch that resulted in a scum lynch. I have seen many a town quicklynch.
2) Prophylaxis's response to the wagon looks way too much like low-morale VI townie, doubly so given that he's claimed vanilla. His response to pressure... is to give up, explain what he was trying to do, and give final reads. That's a classic VI-town response.
These statements are completely void of alignment analysis. Well, you're trying to say that they are town, but a player is going to act how you are describing regardless of alignment. Let me put it to you this way. What would you expect a scum to do in Proph's situation?
Lets think about proph for a moment. What is proph going to be like as scum and town based on what is known of him?
Label's are bad in general. Each person reacts differently and does things differently.
3) Speedlynch THIS early into D1? I've seen this before (Mafia Invictus on 'Scum), I know what it does to analysis. (Only reason we lynched any scum at ALL that game is because I dragged the town into two correct lynches with the assistance of a distancing/bussing Mafioso.)
Mafiascum only provide accurate information in regard to..other mafiascum games. The same is true for any site, but mafiascum in particular is an inherent cesspool of self-meta. The way things go there is simply not the way things go here.
Here we have Cyan dismissing any thoughts of a speedlynch being town.
Get off, people. Proph isn't playing WELL, but that doesn't make him scum - and both mindset and circumstantial tells suggest he's town. And there's absolutely no reason to lynch this early that doesn't involve rolebased.
The 'mindset and circumstantial tells' that you are talking about are null tells. Proph acted scummier than a person ever has business acting in the first 50 posts of a game, and his behavior was markedly different than in SH, a game where he was confirmed to be town. And he literally walked straight into the trap that I set with my innocuous comment about his behavior being different in this game than it was in SH.
How was your comment a trap and how did Proph fall for it?
Also, given the interactions between Proph and Pinky, it is very plausible that they are both scum.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOBBBBSSSS!!!!!
*Starts humming wonder woman song in head*
Care to explain how this makes Cyan scum rather than town who disagrees with you? And why your response to him accusing you of being scum with Proph is to haul out the boobs strawman?
Also, defending without defending AND Chainsaw Defense? Okay, I DEFINITELY need to reconsider that Proph read. He could still be town, but that's classic "defend your buddy" right there.
Either way, the only way I could be more confident on you being scum would be if I was a Cop with a guilty.
Mm. But you voted Cyan specifically after you said 'Why are you pushing a case on Proph where he already stated he was trying to change his game?' So I'll just assume this was for you the important reason to vote him, backed up with the other things you mentioned. My question is, why does that make Cyan scum? Regardless of whether his arguments are correct or not, why is the fact that Cyan continues to see Proph as scum, despite the latter 'saying' he will better his ways, indicative of Cyan being scum? Do you believe one should just unvote someone you have a scumread on because that players says he will change his game and no longer 'act scummily'?
reputation talk Doesn’t explain why someone sticking around and wanting to input is scummy
In short he doesn’t explain **** about why he thinks anything Proph is doing is scummy.
There is nothing defined by Cyan as to why he pushes the Proph lynch or what that change is that is so scummy. Again people change, that doesn’t = scum or town.
Also I usually have to go somewhere after posting, my post will most likely be out of order because I'm in a hurry.
Again, how exactly is this inconsistent with town who considers what they see self-evident?
I said boobs twice because the whole joke I made was a boob joke that tar is hung up on and two I said boobs at the end because I notice cyan never once commented on the case tar presented but wants to link me and proph together as a way to give a reason to tar that proph is a good vote.
Why did you notice just the boobs comment and not anything I said in that post?
STRAWMEN, STRAWMEN EVERYWHERE.
And nice veiled attack - "to give a reason to tar that proph is a good vote" looks suspiciously like "Cyan is coaching". But you don't feel you can just come out and say it. Why is that, exactly?
Sorry to make you repeat yourself blue. I usually relay on my memory then going back and rereading.
I felt that cyan respects your oppinion based on him talking specifically to you about your read on proph. Is my thought process about you and cyan correct?
Mm. But you voted Cyan specifically after you said 'Why are you pushing a case on Proph where he already stated he was trying to change his game?' So I'll just assume this was for you the important reason to vote him, backed up with the other things you mentioned. My question is, why does that make Cyan scum? Regardless of whether his arguments are correct or not, why is the fact that Cyan continues to see Proph as scum, despite the latter 'saying' he will better his ways, indicative of Cyan being scum? Do you believe one should just unvote someone you have a scumread on because that players says he will change his game and no longer 'act scummily'?
reputation talk Doesn’t explain why someone sticking around and wanting to input is scummy
In short he doesn’t explain **** about why he thinks anything Proph is doing is scummy.
There is nothing defined by Cyan as to why he pushes the Proph lynch or what that change is that is so scummy. Again people change, that doesn’t = scum or town.
Also I usually have to go somewhere after posting, my post will most likely be out of order because I'm in a hurry.
Again, how exactly is this inconsistent with town who considers what they see self-evident?
I lol'ed. Pinky's attack on me is nothing more than a clever attempt to mask an OMGUS overreaction to me stating that it is plausible that she and Proph are scum together. She is clearly overusing the 'Boobs' thing in an attempt to alleviate someone's(Tar I think) attack on her for only joking around when she is scum. And beyond that, she is very careful to never actually defend Proph in her attack on me. Never once while she is decrying my attack on Proph(which she does through using my response to Taredas), does she even remotely tie this all into Proph's alignment. This cannot be a coincidence. Vote Pinky
You know the best thing about this game and my role. I don't have to have to have circle arguments, I don't have to tell people why I find Cyan scum and search through reason's why.
Before I put on my tiara declare myself warrior princess of the Amazons, aka wonder woman. I'm going to leave my reads here.
Rhand (Chuck Norris) - leaning town
Wessel (David Bowie) - town
Fadeblue (Darkwing Duck) - town
Prophylaxis (TripleX) - town
Cyan (Smoke Monster) - scum
Taredas (Rika Furude) - tunneled town
EtR (Tyrion Lannister) - leaning scum
ThePuppetMaster (Puppet Master) - scum
Archmage Eternal (Wolverine) - town
pinkys_brain (Wonder Woman) - town
Emocakes (The Doctor) - null
desCoures (Makishima Shougo) - null
Atheist God (Bracken) - null
Voxxicus (James Bond) - town
Caex Kothar (Garrus Vakarian) - scum
Seppel (Power Ranger Doppelganger) - scum
Just to get a few points on why Cyan is scum. He took a vote I placed as OMGUS.
OMGUS is when a player votes on someone that has been voted on. Cyan never voted and to think that I didn't react to Tar, Proph or Seppel but I reacted because of the word possible is a stretch to be seen.
I explained my use of the word Boob, which he doesn't comment about, and I explained that Proph was town. His vote is pretty much OMGUS in post 158.
@Blue: I wasn't tying you and Cyan together. I was trying to see if Cyan's behavior was normal. I was reading him as buddying you.
@Tar: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBBBBB. You so can't read me and it feels good to know that for once. Whether you realize it or not I was very upset that I can't be funny or cute without someone sucking the fun out of it for me. WIFOM means either one or the other by the way. I stated that Emo's behavior can be either.
Cyan scum rather than town who disagrees with you? And why your response to him accusing you of being scum with Proph is to haul out the boobs strawman?
If I told you the number of times I have seen scum on this site completely dismiss a player and disregard their points as invalid you would be shocked.
Again, how exactly is this inconsistent with town who considers what they see self-evident?
There was nothing self evident in any of those post. If you took a moment to read that Cyan never said anything or pointed out why Proph's behavior was scummy and no one else said anything about knowing what Cyan was even thought about and if you want to explain why it's scummy to let a player talk for a month you let everyone else here know.
mod: I will use the breath of the woman on Cyan.
Peace people.
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Hm. 15 posts into the game, and Seppel is solidly town.
That reads genuine.
Vote: Prophylaxis
Why do you care if RVS is ended so early?
Super aggressive vote, first on the wagon and for a relatively lackluster reason. In fact, no reason at all - it's a question to Proph, I don't like it.
Thx Proph, Basic 61 confirmed what I think I might be seeing: you definately don't shy away from putting your first vote on a buddy.
Vote: Prophylaxis
Consider my vote also on Amocekes.
Rhand, did you actually only read one of Prophs games and immediately found this or did you look at multiple games and this was the only example that you found?
I think you're scum because Emocakes jumped to your defence and you immediately distanced without acknowledging that.
Are 5 posts apart. In the first one you declare that you are pressuring Proph by voting him in order to determine his alignment, however, in the second post you call him scum because of your perceived distancing. This shows an inconsistent mindset in your reasoning for attacking Proph.
I didn't say that you are behaving better than you did in SH, Proph. Just differently. The manner in which you responded is certainly telling, though. Vote Proph
I am concerned about Pinkys reaction to Proph, also. I would like to hear definitively as to why she doesn't think Proph is scum.
First, what game are you referencing by SH?
I don't have a problem with this vote as Cyan is using both Proph's responses and Pinky's reaction to draw a reasonable conclusion.
I like this vote. AE outlined his reasoning and waited on a vote count before applying his vote. Demonstrates a more townmind set by not wanting to put someone at L1 or quicklynched my mistake.
So up to this point I would have to say that I dislike your (Rhand's) vote the least with Voxx's vote coming in second. Speaking of Voxx...
I really don't like post 101 - the second paragraph in particular. It's difficult to articulate, but it's just not genuine. He's trying too hard to be the careful townie.
I also really don't like the discrepancy between 'At first I didn't like this wagon' and then him later saying he's not voting for you because you get mislynched as town frequently.
I think you're town, and I think he knows you're town, and is trying to distance himself from the wagon, while not giving overt opposition, either.
In #116, he backpedals off of the discrepancy I noted prior, and it just feels like self-aware scum.
He's not scumhunting, and despite claiming that he thinks you're being pushed as a mislynch by scum, he has no reads on the people on your wagon. If he were town, that'd be where he was looking to try and find scum, rather than the passive 'There haven't been that many posts yet' reasoning.
Let's lynch him.
You sir, were not scum hunting prior to this post which is after my post, so this is a wee bit hypocritical I'd say. The rest of this is a bunch of "I thinks" and assumptions so forgive me for not rebutting.
You say you don't believe Proph is scum... but you drop that "noticable difference" and "trying to explain it away" in the first post on Proph, and you leave yourself an escape hatch with that "as of right now". And this is supposed to come from a town mindset how, exactly?
And look at that push/misrep on Rhand. He's claiming that Rhand wants to move forward lynching Proph - but that's not what Rhand was saying at all. Rhand just wanted ETR to step up and generate the extra content he was asking for.
You're scum, and you're trying to have your cake (a Proph mislynch) and eat it too (call Proph town for towncred) by pushing the Proph wagon from the sidelines. And your Rhand attack is projection, because that's the outcome YOU want - you just want to pin the blame for it on others.
You also seem to be playing aggressively - is that typical of your style?
Why ask this?
Because I've never played with you and I'm trying to understand your style. Why else would I ask it?
It's not a misrep on Rhand, that is how I'm reading his post. That's also why I asked him. If I was trying to paint it a certain way I wouldn't have asked him.
I don't believe that Proph is scum, but his difference in playstyle this game is throwing me off.
@Pinky: Someone does not have to be voting you for you to OMGUS them. Nice try there. What happened is pretty clear. You panicked when you saw that I had named you and Proph as plausible scum partners, and you reacted. Poorly. You tried to cover up what was really happening, but it was readily transparent(as evidenced by multiple people's reactions). Now, your posts just keep getting worse. In this latest post, you ignore almost all points made against you thus far. The only one that you bother responding to is Taredas assessment of your joking posts. It doesn't seem like a coincidence that this is the least relevant, and least quantifiable, point against you.
Also, If you just vigged me, I will laugh and laugh and laugh. But you should let me know if that is the case, so that I can reveal my role and the town can lynch you anyway.
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If I don't hear anything else from Pinky regarding what that artifact(apparently it was an artifact, the phrasing of the ability seems surprising for that) does, I will claim my role just in case I'm getting daykilled.
Pinky needs to get dead regardless. This is absurdly anti-town behavior. Do not accept any excuses from her if I die.
EtR: It was the first mafia game I managed to look at. There's another website in his blog with mafia games, and that one is blocked at work.
I rephrased my original reason to vote him in that second post you quote because he found my vote weak.
That kind of waffly, noncommittal post is exactly why you got lynched in Ataghan.
Vote EtR
No, in fact, it's not. What got me lynched was tying myself to IB and trying to defend him while creating an alternate wagon. This is a terrible post.
I'm assuming you mean WoD.
I just looked back at Ataghan and you're only partially right. Xyre caught you for defending WoD. But the way you defended him was similar to the way you're posting here AKA very passively and with a bunch of waffling. A lot of the stuff you posted was extremely slippery and full of back and forth about WoD.
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@Pinky: Someone does not have to be voting you for you to OMGUS them. Nice try there. What happened is pretty clear. You panicked when you saw that I had named you and Proph as plausible scum partners, and you reacted. Poorly. You tried to cover up what was really happening, but it was readily transparent(as evidenced by multiple people's reactions). Now, your posts just keep getting worse. In this latest post, you ignore almost all points made against you thus far. The only one that you bother responding to is Taredas assessment of your joking posts. It doesn't seem like a coincidence that this is the least relevant, and least quantifiable, point against you.
Also, If you just vigged me, I will laugh and laugh and laugh. But you should let me know if that is the case, so that I can reveal my role and the town can lynch you anyway.
You apparently didn't read my post. I pointed to three others who either called me scum or voted me and you think the word possible would scare is ridiculous.
Aka a stretch .
I notice instead of listing scum reads and town reads, you decide to (1) call me anti-town and (2) wave your role out there.
Oh and finally I did ask you question about proph and your reasoning you never answered.
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EtR: It was the first mafia game I managed to look at. There's another website in his blog with mafia games, and that one is blocked at work.
I rephrased my original reason to vote him in that second post you quote because he found my vote weak.
Pinky: why is Seppel scum?
Seppel called me out and only referred to the boob comment of my post. He then unvote without answering the question u asked.
The reason this question was important, is that he doesn't talk about what he notices. Seppel and I have been in a few games together, I know my behavior is nothing he has seen, but he doesn't say anything about it. That and coupled with something's I see similar to flame warriors, put seppel as scum.
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Also, If you just vigged me, I will laugh and laugh and laugh. But you should let me know if that is the case, so that I can reveal my role and the town can lynch you anyway.
You think scum has a vig ability! Bawhahahaha!
Man you made me even more happy I used my artifact on you.
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Also, If you just vigged me, I will laugh and laugh and laugh. But you should let me know if that is the case, so that I can reveal my role and the town can lynch you anyway.
You think scum has a vig ability! Bawhahahaha!
Man you made me even more happy I used my artifact on you.
This is the worst post of the game.
If you actually killed Cyan this alone should get you lynched, apart from the whole "out of nowhere vigging someone who is likely town" thing.
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Is it strange for me to doubt pinky's scumness because of this action? I can't see why any scum would do this, unless that player is deeply in trouble and about to be lynched, which pinky wasn't. I think it is indicative of being reckless and misguided, I don't see why scum would act this way, because it would undermine their position so much by risking 1:1.
I think I would be inclined to agree with this if it had been an immediate daykill, which would be more advantageous for scum to hold back until the late game or until they're absolutely cornered. But this is a kill where we get no information until 2 days later, and that's a kill that scum would want to use earlier than later when there are still lots of other suspects and there's room to WIFOM it out. Especially if she thought there was an opportunity to play it off like a misguided townie.
There's no reason to let pinky slide, especially when she's being this uncooperative.
@Wessel: I don't think it's necessarily that she had that route planned from the start. She may have just found herself being attacked by Cyan (one of the most antagonistic players) and thought it was a good opportunity to shoot.
Actually, @pinky: Why do you think Tar is tunneled town but Cyan is scum?
Using the artifact in such a way is anti-town. Especially this artifact: it creates 2 days of WIFOM before we gain info. Pinky should have shared the possibility with us so we could choose as a group who would die in 2 days. That way, it becomes a free extra lynch.
Alas, town do anti-town things all the time. Lynching Pinky now would be dumb as Cyan's flip will be very telling on her alignment.
Unless... Mod: can the Cyan kill be stopped with night actions?
@Rhand: Ok so you're basically barning me. Tell me, what does it tell you about pinky's alignment that she did not share her artifact with us before using it, seeing as it was a free extra lynch, basically?
If Cyan flips scum in 2 days, Pinky is town. If Cyan flips town, we lynch Pinky.
Your question is pointless.
Yeah, I want to hear from Proph too. I was reading him as town, but if he and pinky were scum together, that would have given pinky even more reason to use the artifact and try to drown us in WIFOM for 2 days.
@Wessel: I don't think it's necessarily that she had that route planned from the start. She may have just found herself being attacked by Cyan (one of the most antagonistic players) and thought it was a good opportunity to shoot.
Actually, @pinky: Why do you think Tar is tunneled town but Cyan is scum?
FB: Tar picked up on something he saw me do a long time ago. His actions from the start was an Ahaha moment. He continued that attack based on it and he mentioned some meta I'm aware of that made me smile. He in short did his research.
Cyan on the other hand, makes an off hand comment and thinks because I reacted I am scum. He did not take into consideration all the attacks I have endured this game, also when he OMGUS against me his vote and actions where scummy. It was one vote against him and he reacted with WIFOM accusations about behavior I didn't not exibit and meaninless flinging comments. The fact he thought he was about to die and thought waving his claim would matter. If a player that is town is about to die the first things is to spill who you think is scum and if necessary (haven't had time to check the OP) claim. I don't recall if this game is non-reveal, if it is a reveal roles and alignement game, what is the point of waving a role in people's faces like it's important?
Onto other news.
Why I link Seppel with Cyan:
Seppel called Cyan town in a post not too long ago. One of Seppel's scum tells is people that panic under a vote, one vote. That is exactly the reaction I see from Cyan with his OMGUS reaction and WIFOM. There was no other pressure on Cyan, but he flips out and panics. How is that town in Seppel's book of scum tell?
Finally:
mod: I'm going to be on V/LA for the next 3 to 4 days.
Since I'm going to be gone for so long and not to keep this game stagnat since I see votes on me I'm just going to claim now to keep this game flowing.
I'm a Princess.
I saw the mod's note about what that ability is and in a nut shell wiki
Imagine 2 nights though.
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I am female, hear me roar!
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mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
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Okay, so the rules say that game-related questions won't be answered in thread. I also tried asking by PM, but I was told that the question couldn't be answered.
Hmm. With that Princess claim, we may have to wait 2 days until Cyan's flip, but if Cyan flips town we're still stuck with this dilemma. And we may lose a vig/cop by that point if we need to check pinky that way.
Alternately: I have an artifact that could verify pinky, but that may not be the optimal use for it.
There is zero chance that Pinky should survive any longer than today. This idea is literally not even worth considering. For all that we know, Pinky can just use her artifact again tomorrow and kill another townie.
If need be, I will claim in order to force PB to be lynched. I wanted to get a night's use out of my role, but either way I'll be dead tomorrow, and I'm okay giving up a little extra info to make a lynch on a really, really obvious scum happen. But this shouldn't be necessary. Everything she has done thus far has been scummy to the utmost. In her last post, she says the following:
Quote from Pinky »
That is exactly the reaction I see from Cyan with his OMGUS reaction and WIFOM. There was no other pressure on Cyan, but he flips out and panics.
This is in no way an accurate reflection of my behavior. But it IS an accurate reflection of Pinky's behavior.
And her claim is resoundingly meh. It effectively cannot be tested, and she seems to be implying that lynching her will cause the next 2 night periods to be skipped, which is lol-ridiculous. I don't even really believe that a role like that would be included in a game that had multiple reviewers.
The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I need to double check this, but I think that my artifact can destroy pinky's.
Before you do anything rash- does your artifact give you the ability to destroy another artifact, or does it cure poison? Because the damage has already been done.
If you think you found evidence of Pinky being town, just spill it. Trying to make people go find it doesn't help anyone. I looked over her last post and really didn't see anything.
I absolutely hate the idea of leaving Pinky alive. Her claim is a miserable one that can effectively never be tested without causing an absurd amount of damage to the town. Pinky's role penalizes the town for doing what the town is supposed to do(lynching scummy people). The only way that the role possibly makes sense is on scum(and yes, I know that the wiki says that the role is usually town). It is just a nonsense role that I don't think is even real, and I am willing to take the chance that she is either lying, or if she is telling the truth, she is scum.
Behaviorally, I just can't see how Pinky is town here. I was town with her in another game somewhat recently(before she replaced out, IIRC) and I never once doubted her townieness. It was that obvious. I can't reconcile that behavior with how she is acting here. She needs to be lynched.
Also, If you just vigged me, I will laugh and laugh and laugh. But you should let me know if that is the case, so that I can reveal my role and the town can lynch you anyway.
You think scum has a vig ability! Bawhahahaha!
Man you made me even more happy I used my artifact on you.
How does this post come from a town mindset? I can't fathom how a townie would ever make this post.
Alternately: I have an artifact that could verify pinky, but that may not be the optimal use for it.
Likewise. Shall we roshambo or sandbag them?
pinkys is most likely scum, but I'd like to see her lynched regardless of her alignment. Players should not be allowed to get away with that sort of behavior without reprecussion.
I asked Modrey some questions.
When I asked if doc protection would save Cyan, he answered something in the lines of 'that depends what kind of doc you're talking about'. Same for artifacts.
So that means Cyan isn't dead persé. There should be ways to save him.
unvote, vote ThePuppetMaster
You want people lynched regardless of alignment? You're not town.
I asked Modrey some questions.
When I asked if doc protection would save Cyan, he answered something in the lines of 'that depends what kind of doc you're talking about'. Same for artifacts.
So that means Cyan isn't dead persé. There should be ways to save him.
unvote, vote ThePuppetMaster
You want people lynched regardless of alignment? You're not town.
This is a terrible vote. PuppetMaster is entirely correct here. If Pinky gets through this unscathed, what is going to stop her from acting this terribly in the future? People have to realize that their in game actions have consequences, especially when their actions are as awful as Pinky's was here.
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@AE: Proph does not indicate at any point that he is trying to change the way that he plays. I guess you could take an intuitive leap and say that his 'I am just going to lay low etc etc' statement is his way of saying that he is trying to change his play, but that is a pretty big leap. If anything, when Proph says that his play is better when he is not under pressure, he is indirectly saying that he is playing the same way as he usually does.
@Seppel: You should back up your vote choice by one,it was in a better place then.
Ok so I'll wait for Pinky to point this out.
@Everyone unvoting or unwilling to vote Proph. Is this due to. 1- it being to early in the game.
And 2- Proph cracks under pressure.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
You're right, it is absolutely baseless. Which is the entire point I was making. Which is exactly why I said the following:
Maybe you 'missed' that part.
This isn't even a point. For one thing, I didn't say 'what do you expect another person as scum to do in Proph's situtation'. It is inherently implied that when I say 'what do you expect a scum to do in Proph's situation', I am clearly asking what Taredas would expect Proph as scum to do. This is a terrible semantics argument.
And furthermore, 'labels are bad'? What? What are you even talking about? This makes literally zero sense. To expound logically from what you are saying, you can never justifiably lynch someone that is a new player. Because what would you base their lynch on if 'labels are bad'? People get lynched because townies are expected to act a certain way and scum are expected to act a different way. While it is true that there will be some differences in this, there is still going to be a baseline behavior that you can analyze and/or expect out of a person, regardless of whom that person is.
You are trying far, far too hard to make a point here out of absolutely nothing.
Except that is not at all what I said/what happened. Taredas used mafiascum for anecdotal evidence. I said that he should not do so. Is it possible that Proph is town? Of course. That shouldn't stop the town from lynching him if his behavior warrants it. Which it definitely does.
Putting aside the fact that Proph already acknowledged/accepted this point, I was suspect of Proph based on the fact that his behavior was remarkably different than it was in SH. A game where he got run up to have to claim, and is now mod-confirmed town. There should be a reasonable baseline of behavioral analysis between these two games if he is town in both. There is no such baseline, because his behavior is remarkably different. I expected him to explain why, in this game, he is not behaving like he did in a game where I *know* that he was town. He did not explain this. All he did was admit that his behavior was different, which is effectively an admittance of guilt.
Pinky's case is literally one of the worst I have ever read. She and Proph are plainly tied together somehow, and the logical conclusion is that they are both scum.
Also @ Pinky. Did you ever answer this? I missed it if you did.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Tone.
Yes there is.
For starters, you could have, you know, thrown down a random vote. Or made some other comment other than just (forced) laughter.
Yeah, and as town you hate random stage and pull stuff to get out of it (asking questions, giving your reads, that sort of thing). Then, once out of the random stage, you switch into a mix of questions (with points to them) and firm stances.
You're not doing that here.
Ergo, you're not town.
You asked, I answered.
Fencesitting AND mudslinging? You say that Emo is throwing down a lot of WIFOM (aka scum behavior), but don't think he's scum?
Yeah no.
dC: Need to update that Emo read - this plus Emo's 151 strongly suggest that Emo is town. Misguided, but town.
This is a Mafia game, not the OJ Simpson trial. Try again.
That doesn't explain why you're not questioning to figure out fade's alignment. That doesn't explain why your OWN questions this game have been pointless.
In short, that has absolutely nothing to do with my attack. Nice strawman.
And farside goes to discredit-the-attack-with-a-strawman mode again.
Which, of course, is because she has no actual defense.
... I am reconsidering my town read on Proph. (No, not because farside thinks he's town, but rather because that looks like coaching.)
So are you scum looking for towncred or scum trying to defend a partner?
Care to explain how this makes Cyan scum rather than town who disagrees with you? And why your response to him accusing you of being scum with Proph is to haul out the boobs strawman?
Also, defending without defending AND Chainsaw Defense? Okay, I DEFINITELY need to reconsider that Proph read. He could still be town, but that's classic "defend your buddy" right there.
Either way, the only way I could be more confident on you being scum would be if I was a Cop with a guilty.
Again, how exactly is this inconsistent with town who considers what they see self-evident?
STRAWMEN, STRAWMEN EVERYWHERE.
And nice veiled attack - "to give a reason to tar that proph is a good vote" looks suspiciously like "Cyan is coaching". But you don't feel you can just come out and say it. Why is that, exactly?
Speaking of useless questions...
Again, how exactly is this inconsistent with town who considers what they see self-evident?
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Also this.
Back to Plan A. ETR can wait.
Unvote, Vote: pinky (farside)
FoS: ETR
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
@Emo: What made you declare Proph town in the first place?
And why do you want to hunt lurkers so early in the game?
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I'm starting to agree with the case on pinky. I also don't like how she was trying to insinuate something between me and Cyan.
Got subbed in on a tight deadline work project.
May be unable to resist reading game and posting when I shouldn't, but in case I'm a good boy and do my work, making a note of it, heh.
Before I put on my tiara declare myself warrior princess of the Amazons, aka wonder woman. I'm going to leave my reads here.
Rhand (Chuck Norris) - leaning town
Wessel (David Bowie) - town
Fadeblue (Darkwing Duck) - town
Prophylaxis (TripleX) - town
Cyan (Smoke Monster) - scum
Taredas (Rika Furude) - tunneled town
EtR (Tyrion Lannister) - leaning scum
ThePuppetMaster (Puppet Master) - scum
Archmage Eternal (Wolverine) - town
pinkys_brain (Wonder Woman) - town
Emocakes (The Doctor) - null
desCoures (Makishima Shougo) - null
Atheist God (Bracken) - null
Voxxicus (James Bond) - town
Caex Kothar (Garrus Vakarian) - scum
Seppel (Power Ranger Doppelganger) - scum
Just to get a few points on why Cyan is scum. He took a vote I placed as OMGUS.
OMGUS is when a player votes on someone that has been voted on. Cyan never voted and to think that I didn't react to Tar, Proph or Seppel but I reacted because of the word possible is a stretch to be seen.
I explained my use of the word Boob, which he doesn't comment about, and I explained that Proph was town. His vote is pretty much OMGUS in post 158.
@Blue: I wasn't tying you and Cyan together. I was trying to see if Cyan's behavior was normal. I was reading him as buddying you.
@Tar: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBBBBB. You so can't read me and it feels good to know that for once. Whether you realize it or not I was very upset that I can't be funny or cute without someone sucking the fun out of it for me. WIFOM means either one or the other by the way. I stated that Emo's behavior can be either.
If I told you the number of times I have seen scum on this site completely dismiss a player and disregard their points as invalid you would be shocked.
There was nothing self evident in any of those post. If you took a moment to read that Cyan never said anything or pointed out why Proph's behavior was scummy and no one else said anything about knowing what Cyan was even thought about and if you want to explain why it's scummy to let a player talk for a month you let everyone else here know.
mod: I will use the breath of the woman on Cyan.
Peace people.
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mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Super aggressive vote, first on the wagon and for a relatively lackluster reason. In fact, no reason at all - it's a question to Proph, I don't like it.
This I don't understand - what do you mean here about hidden information?
Rhand, did you actually only read one of Prophs games and immediately found this or did you look at multiple games and this was the only example that you found?
This post above and this post:
Are 5 posts apart. In the first one you declare that you are pressuring Proph by voting him in order to determine his alignment, however, in the second post you call him scum because of your perceived distancing. This shows an inconsistent mindset in your reasoning for attacking Proph.
Pretty much a naked vote. Not too much from other posts to look at. No read at this point.
First, what game are you referencing by SH?
I don't have a problem with this vote as Cyan is using both Proph's responses and Pinky's reaction to draw a reasonable conclusion.
I like this vote. AE outlined his reasoning and waited on a vote count before applying his vote. Demonstrates a more townmind set by not wanting to put someone at L1 or quicklynched my mistake.
So up to this point I would have to say that I dislike your (Rhand's) vote the least with Voxx's vote coming in second. Speaking of Voxx...
Here's another bad vote for him.
You sir, were not scum hunting prior to this post which is after my post, so this is a wee bit hypocritical I'd say. The rest of this is a bunch of "I thinks" and assumptions so forgive me for not rebutting.
Because I've never played with you and I'm trying to understand your style. Why else would I ask it?
It's not a misrep on Rhand, that is how I'm reading his post. That's also why I asked him. If I was trying to paint it a certain way I wouldn't have asked him.
I don't believe that Proph is scum, but his difference in playstyle this game is throwing me off.
No, in fact, it's not. What got me lynched was tying myself to IB and trying to defend him while creating an alternate wagon. This is a terrible post.
This is an example of why I asked if you are normally aggressive. You are all over the place. It's like you're just trying to make something stick.
I'm leaning Rhand or Caex at this point for my vote, but will look for responses first.
Unvote, vote Pinky
Also, If you just vigged me, I will laugh and laugh and laugh. But you should let me know if that is the case, so that I can reveal my role and the town can lynch you anyway.
Emocakes (4) - AtheistGod, Fadeblue, Prophylaxis, ThePuppetMaster
EtR (4) - Voxxicus, desCoures, Caex Kothar, Emocakes
pinkys_brain (3) - Cyan, Taredas, Seppel
Prophylaxis (2) - Rhand, Archmage Eternal
Caex Kothar (1) - Wessel
Cyan (1) - pinkys_brain
Not voting (1) - EtR
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V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
This will be resolved in approximately 10.5 hours.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Pinky needs to get dead regardless. This is absurdly anti-town behavior. Do not accept any excuses from her if I die.
I rephrased my original reason to vote him in that second post you quote because he found my vote weak.
Pinky: why is Seppel scum?
I just looked back at Ataghan and you're only partially right. Xyre caught you for defending WoD. But the way you defended him was similar to the way you're posting here AKA very passively and with a bunch of waffling. A lot of the stuff you posted was extremely slippery and full of back and forth about WoD.
Example.
Example2.
Example3.
Gonna go ahead and leave my vote where it is.
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You apparently didn't read my post. I pointed to three others who either called me scum or voted me and you think the word possible would scare is ridiculous.
Aka a stretch .
I notice instead of listing scum reads and town reads, you decide to (1) call me anti-town and (2) wave your role out there.
Oh and finally I did ask you question about proph and your reasoning you never answered.
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Seppel called me out and only referred to the boob comment of my post. He then unvote without answering the question u asked.
The reason this question was important, is that he doesn't talk about what he notices. Seppel and I have been in a few games together, I know my behavior is nothing he has seen, but he doesn't say anything about it. That and coupled with something's I see similar to flame warriors, put seppel as scum.
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You think scum has a vig ability! Bawhahahaha!
Man you made me even more happy I used my artifact on you.
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If you actually killed Cyan this alone should get you lynched, apart from the whole "out of nowhere vigging someone who is likely town" thing.
{Magic: The RPG}
Wonder Woman, directs her focus to the Smoke Monster "You, you... monster! You are certainly one of the evildoers, but your time has ended I will just blown you away with my mythical super breath!"
"BUUUUURP"
"Sorry guys, my stomach is not that well today"
The The Breath of the Woman is consumed.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
So yes, I absolutely think that you are scum and ended up with a Vig shot.
It's time for Pinky to die.
Unvote
Vote pinkys_brain
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Unvote; Vote pinkys_brain
I think I would be inclined to agree with this if it had been an immediate daykill, which would be more advantageous for scum to hold back until the late game or until they're absolutely cornered. But this is a kill where we get no information until 2 days later, and that's a kill that scum would want to use earlier than later when there are still lots of other suspects and there's room to WIFOM it out. Especially if she thought there was an opportunity to play it off like a misguided townie.
There's no reason to let pinky slide, especially when she's being this uncooperative.
Why do you feel underwhelmed Wessel?
Actually, @pinky: Why do you think Tar is tunneled town but Cyan is scum?
Alas, town do anti-town things all the time. Lynching Pinky now would be dumb as Cyan's flip will be very telling on her alignment.
Unless...
Mod: can the Cyan kill be stopped with night actions?
Yes
If Cyan flips scum in 2 days, Pinky is town. If Cyan flips town, we lynch Pinky.
Your question is pointless.
I need to double check this, but I think that my artifact can destroy pinky's.
FB: Tar picked up on something he saw me do a long time ago. His actions from the start was an Ahaha moment. He continued that attack based on it and he mentioned some meta I'm aware of that made me smile. He in short did his research.
Cyan on the other hand, makes an off hand comment and thinks because I reacted I am scum. He did not take into consideration all the attacks I have endured this game, also when he OMGUS against me his vote and actions where scummy. It was one vote against him and he reacted with WIFOM accusations about behavior I didn't not exibit and meaninless flinging comments. The fact he thought he was about to die and thought waving his claim would matter. If a player that is town is about to die the first things is to spill who you think is scum and if necessary (haven't had time to check the OP) claim. I don't recall if this game is non-reveal, if it is a reveal roles and alignement game, what is the point of waving a role in people's faces like it's important?
Onto other news.
Why I link Seppel with Cyan:
Seppel called Cyan town in a post not too long ago. One of Seppel's scum tells is people that panic under a vote, one vote. That is exactly the reaction I see from Cyan with his OMGUS reaction and WIFOM. There was no other pressure on Cyan, but he flips out and panics. How is that town in Seppel's book of scum tell?
Finally:
mod: I'm going to be on V/LA for the next 3 to 4 days.
Since I'm going to be gone for so long and not to keep this game stagnat since I see votes on me I'm just going to claim now to keep this game flowing.
I'm a Princess.
I saw the mod's note about what that ability is and in a nut shell wiki
Imagine 2 nights though.
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@Mods: Is it possible to get a clarification regarding pinky's artifact? It says:
If there were a skipped day phase, does that mean the player would not die until 3 nights later instead of 2?
Hmm. With that Princess claim, we may have to wait 2 days until Cyan's flip, but if Cyan flips town we're still stuck with this dilemma. And we may lose a vig/cop by that point if we need to check pinky that way.
Alternately: I have an artifact that could verify pinky, but that may not be the optimal use for it.
If need be, I will claim in order to force PB to be lynched. I wanted to get a night's use out of my role, but either way I'll be dead tomorrow, and I'm okay giving up a little extra info to make a lynch on a really, really obvious scum happen. But this shouldn't be necessary. Everything she has done thus far has been scummy to the utmost. In her last post, she says the following:
This is in no way an accurate reflection of my behavior. But it IS an accurate reflection of Pinky's behavior.
And her claim is resoundingly meh. It effectively cannot be tested, and she seems to be implying that lynching her will cause the next 2 night periods to be skipped, which is lol-ridiculous. I don't even really believe that a role like that would be included in a game that had multiple reviewers.
Also, you will die in 2 nights, so you would still be able to use your ability tonight.
And the Princess claim means that lynching her causes the next *day* to skip = 2 nights in a row.
pinkys_brain (6) - Cyan, Taredas, Seppel, Fadeblue, Caex Kothar, AtheistGod
EtR (3) - Voxxicus, desCoures, Emocakes
Emocakes (2) - Prophylaxis, ThePuppetMaster
Prophylaxis (2) - Rhand, Archmage Eternal
Caex Kothar (1) - Wessel
Cyan (1) - pinkys_brain
Not voting (1) - EtR
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
If you think you found evidence of Pinky being town, just spill it. Trying to make people go find it doesn't help anyone. I looked over her last post and really didn't see anything.
I absolutely hate the idea of leaving Pinky alive. Her claim is a miserable one that can effectively never be tested without causing an absurd amount of damage to the town. Pinky's role penalizes the town for doing what the town is supposed to do(lynching scummy people). The only way that the role possibly makes sense is on scum(and yes, I know that the wiki says that the role is usually town). It is just a nonsense role that I don't think is even real, and I am willing to take the chance that she is either lying, or if she is telling the truth, she is scum.
Behaviorally, I just can't see how Pinky is town here. I was town with her in another game somewhat recently(before she replaced out, IIRC) and I never once doubted her townieness. It was that obvious. I can't reconcile that behavior with how she is acting here. She needs to be lynched.
How does this post come from a town mindset? I can't fathom how a townie would ever make this post.
Moot point now as its already resolved.
Lets hear it.
unvote vote Pinky
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Likewise. Shall we roshambo or sandbag them?
pinkys is most likely scum, but I'd like to see her lynched regardless of her alignment. Players should not be allowed to get away with that sort of behavior without reprecussion.
When I asked if doc protection would save Cyan, he answered something in the lines of 'that depends what kind of doc you're talking about'. Same for artifacts.
So that means Cyan isn't dead persé. There should be ways to save him.
unvote, vote ThePuppetMaster
You want people lynched regardless of alignment? You're not town.
This is a terrible vote. PuppetMaster is entirely correct here. If Pinky gets through this unscathed, what is going to stop her from acting this terribly in the future? People have to realize that their in game actions have consequences, especially when their actions are as awful as Pinky's was here.