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The i don't have time to explain my reads thanks to a 5 year old that is getting impatient post:
Scum:
Generic
Caex (vote from Caex is horrible and comes from no where. He waited for Seppel and votes Guard. Why wait?)
Leaning scum:
Hawk
Town:
Rodmey
Guard
Cythare
Sir K
You left out a number of people on your T/S list. Care to add them, or should I assume you don't have a read on them yet?
No read on those not mentioned.
Seppel's comments can be he felt guard scum slipped by case of meta, but I remember guard joking in kitten, so I see the meta as null. The acronym point that seppel's makes is a reach.
Anyone I am not mentioning hasn't left an impression
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I have never been so close to wanting to ragequit since Twilight Mafia.
Please don't. I joined this game just to play with you. My game limit is 2 because I don't want to overwhelm myself, but I really want to play with you.
I think guard as scum keeps things low(this was my observation during animaniacs mafia) I don't know if this changed since that game, but a lot of what I read from guard this game, sounded like there was a personal issue with you from an ongoing game.
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Also @ guardman the thread title makes it sound like 10 town and 2 scum
This seems likely.
In the event of an sk or someother independent role, would he/she have the same win conditions as the town, or would he/she need to be the last one standing?
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Also @ guardman the thread title makes it sound like 10 town and 2 scum
I hadn't noticed that, but yeah it sounds like the mod is specifically telling us how many scum we are dealing with. Interesting. To make 2 and 10 work, the scum either need a lot of power in comparison the Town, or one of the 10 need to be a third party.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I'm not defending Caex. I just think I have decent meta understanding of him. (And I'm still being somewhat goofy. Live a little guys, the game is young and only like half the players have posted.)
Your question looked rhetorical. I rather thought calling him "Cakes" was goofy. I consider short grammatically incorrect sentences like "Can confirm." goofy. There was also no real content in the post, it was just me "confirming" a meta statement during RVS. You are reading too much into this.
If you want me to break down your "case" line by line and tear it apart I will. I just wanted you to offer me something better with more solid evidence and save us both some trouble.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
If you want me to break down your "case" line by line and tear it apart I will. I just wanted you to offer me something better with more solid evidence and save us both some trouble.
If Guardman is scum, Seppel is more likely to be scum bussing than town, I think.
Does this mean you think Seppel is scum regardless of Guardman's alignment, or only if Guardman is scum?
The latter, most likely.
I always suspect Seppel of being scum, so I may be biased.
But him coming in here and immediately declaring Guardman as scum reads like a plan to get lots of town credit by saying "Look what I called at the start of the game!" if Guardman is lynched. But as I said before, bussing this early is a risky move, and one Seppel wouldn't do if there were only two scum. Speaking of which...
Generic just claimed neutral. I think he needs to fullclaim.
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Is that a request asenion or are you just speculating about me?
If you mean "Caex" instead of "Asenion", then it's a request. I would really quite like a name and ability claim from you considering you just claimed to not be a part of the town.
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Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
If Guardman is scum, Seppel is more likely to be scum bussing than town, I think.
Does this mean you think Seppel is scum regardless of Guardman's alignment, or only if Guardman is scum?
The latter, most likely.
I always suspect Seppel of being scum, so I may be biased.
But him coming in here and immediately declaring Guardman as scum reads like a plan to get lots of town credit by saying "Look what I called at the start of the game!" if Guardman is lynched. But as I said before, bussing this early is a risky move, and one Seppel wouldn't do if there were only two scum. Speaking of which...
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Dude you have played with Seppel before right? He always comes in and list scum and town reads like that. I don't understand where this reach is coming from.
Gaius Baltar, Neutral Survivor. I win with either town or mafia as long as I'm alive at end game. But that was far too ambiguous for me to open a game with do I chose to treat it as a town vanilla role. But it's worse, because the rest of the town win even if they die and town go on to win, same for mafia players. I have to stay alive, and if you are honest with yourselves how easy is that? You play proactive and mafia want you dead. You play quietly and sitting back and you are seen as scummy.
So I just thought 'to hell with it, go out in a blaze of glory if its gonna happen'. So I played with a bit of freedom and possibly a little too loose. But my win condition both opened up the odds of a win at end game and screwed the whole mindset coming in. And there you have it.
First reaction was tons of WIFOM, but the second half explains better why you have been way more aggressive then normal.
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Where's my bowtie? I was wearing a bowtie, right? And what happened to my hands? They were here just a second ago... are these hooves? How am I supposed to pick up anything with hooves?
AND WHY IS THE ONLY THING TO EAT AROUND HERE PEARS!? I HATE PEARS!
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Joke posts. ScumGuardman likes to open with joke posts.
Seppel gets a gold star (and +1 Caexpoint) for coming to the exact same conclusion I did about Guardman.
I read pretty much all of Guardman's games. When he's scum he tends to open with multiple jokes. When he's town, he doesn't post for a while then comments on the current situation with a srspost. The more jokes, the more likely Guardman is to be scum.
Could you guys provide some examples of other games he's been in where he started like this?
Ged's Normal he was Hitman who had to kill townies to win.
Kaizers Mafia.
Manipulator Mafia.
Annorax's Bastard Mod.
Indiana Jones and the Oracle's Secret.
Ghost Town.
Persona.
Smalltown Animaniacs.
Star Trek Myriad Universes II.
Angel mafia is an aberration in the trend, in that Guardman srsposted immediately.
...Damn, Guardman is scum a lot.
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Caex: I can point you to several games where I joke throughout the RVS as town: Such as Clue Mafia and Kitteh Trek (links to the games can be found in my sig). Those games are also two of my stronger games as I enjoyed myself in them, which is the reason I made this shift
I can point to nine where you joke throughout the RVS as scum.
You decided to push a scum read on someone based on joke post and the fact that Guard can point to some games he did as town is inconsequential to you.
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What did he say and why did you never share a thought of that until seppel's post.
It wasn't so much what he said, as I've already said before. It was the presence of the posts themselves. I did a read of Guardman's games because in Ataghan I did a pretty thorough comb of his scum vs. town play in two games and was hoping to get an immediate read. I read the rest of his games to get as strong an understanding as possible, and one of the very first things I noticed was the amount of joking he did as scum. Like, it overwhelmingly caught my attention. So when he did it here, it immediately tripped alarm bells.
I decided "Hey, I'm going to express suspicion of Guardman in a nebulous way to see what happens," which is exactly what I did.
When Seppel brought it up as well, it was vindication of my read and I got excited that someone saw the same thing I did.
Where's my bowtie? I was wearing a bowtie, right? And what happened to my hands? They were here just a second ago... are these hooves? How am I supposed to pick up anything with hooves?
AND WHY IS THE ONLY THING TO EAT AROUND HERE PEARS!? I HATE PEARS!
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Joke posts. ScumGuardman likes to open with joke posts.
Seppel gets a gold star (and +1 Caexpoint) for coming to the exact same conclusion I did about Guardman.
I read pretty much all of Guardman's games. When he's scum he tends to open with multiple jokes. When he's town, he doesn't post for a while then comments on the current situation with a srspost. The more jokes, the more likely Guardman is to be scum.
Could you guys provide some examples of other games he's been in where he started like this?
Ged's Normal he was Hitman who had to kill townies to win.
Kaizers Mafia.
Manipulator Mafia.
Annorax's Bastard Mod.
Indiana Jones and the Oracle's Secret.
Ghost Town.
Persona.
Smalltown Animaniacs.
Star Trek Myriad Universes II.
Angel mafia is an aberration in the trend, in that Guardman srsposted immediately.
...Damn, Guardman is scum a lot.
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Caex: I can point you to several games where I joke throughout the RVS as town: Such as Clue Mafia and Kitteh Trek (links to the games can be found in my sig). Those games are also two of my stronger games as I enjoyed myself in them, which is the reason I made this shift
I can point to nine where you joke throughout the RVS as scum.
You decided to push a scum read on someone based on joke post and the fact that Guard can point to some games he did as town is inconsequential to you.
Two joke posts that felt the same as Guardman's past scum games, where he forces some humor into his first few posts.
BTW, saying "Guardman did that before as town" is a weak argument at best. I've done multiple PBPAs in a game as town before. That didn't stop me from doing a bajillion of them in Ataghan as scum.
The amount of scum-to-town RVS joke posts from Guardman is pretty heavily slanted toward scum.
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Something Asenion said is making me :eyebrow:. Got my eye on him.
Since you've already played the "Something is scummy about this poster, can anyone find it?" game, could you tell us what makes you suspicious?
@Sir Karn,
Could you do the same?
Oh, and I know flavorgaming = weaksauce, but having Gaius be a neutral is pretty awesome from a flavor standpoint. (I'm assuming Generic is telling the truth.)
@Generic, why do you think that you're more likely to be targeted by the mafia than town is if you're neutral? I've never played a neutral role so I can't say exactly how I'd act, but I would think by claiming that the town/mafia are going to go after someone that actually supports their win condition.
Noticing a lack of scumhunting from 7hawk77. He posted a T/S list, which I appreciate, but I'd like to see him actually challenge people.
I'm sticking with Sepple as scum. Too much metagaming (that means basing facts on other games right?) for the fact there are new people in here. Try and convince us people are scum without saying: "Oh, in other games when he does this: it means he is scum."
As a guy who has never played with any of you before, i will not accept that as a valid argument.
Also your mention of the Acronym was in your argument post.. and it was mentioned for no reason other than to further a point. And using a useless fact to further a point is pretty scummy to me.
I am leaning towards Generic as Neutral, and Hawk just seems too anti-me for me to be comfortable with. Even Sepple said i was Obvious Town and hasn't changed that fact even though my vote has been on him the entire game (minus the little Karn incident) and all hawk wants to do is vote me because i have strong opinions.
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Heh. I'm not that subtle as scum. I don't do well timed grenades.
Can confirm. Cakes is a surprisingly good player, especially for how few games he has played, but he's not that subtle as scum.
This post. The way he phrased it makes it seem like he knows I'm town. It's not enough to go on by itself, but it's made me want to give Asenion's posts a higher amount of attention going forward.
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@Karn, when you get the chance, what makes you feel good about Rodemy? I thought his tying of Generic to Seppel felt pretty forced/scummy, plus he seemed a little defensive when I voted him in RVS.
I'm sticking with Sepple as scum. Too much metagaming (that means basing facts on other games right?) for the fact there are new people in here. Try and convince us people are scum without saying: "Oh, in other games when he does this: it means he is scum."
"Too much metagaming"? There was one minor point that involved the metagame. It's supporting evidence, not the main point.
Also your mention of the Acronym was in your argument post.. and it was mentioned for no reason other than to further a point. And using a useless fact to further a point is pretty scummy to me.
At this point I'm just going to assume you're trolling and I'm going to ignore you. You've refused to answer my questions regarding Guardman and you keep hounding on something that isn't even true.
If you'd like your opinion to matter, feel free to adjust your attitude.
As soon as generic said he just needed to survive, I knew he was gaius baltar. At least he is being nicer to the town in this game than he ever was to the humans in the show
I knew something was weird with generic because he wasn't acting completely normal but his actions still had town motive. At least I know I had one decent read on someone
7hawk, why do you feel it's time or a town/scum list? I'm still in the stage of the game where I'm trying to get to know everyone and get a feel for how they are acting. I think that making a town/scum list at this point in the game both uninformed, and more helpful to the scum so they know how well they can influence you.
Posting a T/S list helps me organize my thoughts on the game and forces me to objectively rate all of the players. I have nothing to hide as town so I don't mind putting all of my current thoughts on the table. I take what other people say with a grain of salt even if they are high on my list so I'm not worried about being misled by misreading others.
@Karn
Now that you have got a claim from generic, do you feel like your case was valid? Do you think that you were tunneling?
1. Seppel (Because of your strange attention to the Acronym misusage in your argument, and your constant use of other games to try and validate your point)
2. Sir Karn
3. Generic
4. Rodemy
5. LnGrrrR (I can't read you... but i don't think you are scum...)
6. Guardman
7. Cythare I don't trust you. Post more? i want your opinion on the current accusations.
8. 7hawk77 (You already know why)
9. Asenion Your strange agreement with an offhand comment of Caex)
10. Hansanator Your lack of posts are irksome and you just lurk in the shadows... post more to convince me otherwise..)
11. Caex Kothar(asenions strange agreement with your offhand comment and then your late defense of being suspicious of him because he did that.. after people pointed it out)
12. Pinkys_brain (i can't get a read on you.. post more thoughts on the current accusation)
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Lngrrrr, I guess it's my own mindset on it.
I never intended initially to reveal my role but when it became apparent that mentally I couldnt get my head around the idea of stay alive and win with anyone and it was affecting my play things dramatically changed.
But my decision to side with town and scum hunt, would you as a mafia player be happy with me sharing in your win? That's why I don't think either side will particularly want me to win with them, but town aren't likely to waste their lynch on the guy who isn't against them or offers any leads on further scum. Leaving just the concept of whether mafia feel I'm a waste of a kill over a potential town pr role or stronger scum hunter. I think I'm less of a concern to them now as I remain a suspect to everybody regardless of my full claim.
I'd agree with most of this. As you stated, unless you prove very adept at finding scum, I would think they would rather just leave you alone and try to move towards their win condition. Same goes for town, as a dead neutral doesn't help much.
Lngrrrr, I guess it's my own mindset on it.
I never intended initially to reveal my role but when it became apparent that mentally I couldnt get my head around the idea of stay alive and win with anyone and it was affecting my play things dramatically changed.
But my decision to side with town and scum hunt, would you as a mafia player be happy with me sharing in your win? That's why I don't think either side will particularly want me to win with them, but town aren't likely to waste their lynch on the guy who isn't against them or offers any leads on further scum. Leaving just the concept of whether mafia feel I'm a waste of a kill over a potential town pr role or stronger scum hunter. I think I'm less of a concern to them now as I remain a suspect to everybody regardless of my full claim.
I'd agree with most of this. As you stated, unless you prove very adept at finding scum, I would think they would rather just leave you alone and try to move towards their win condition. Same goes for town, as a dead neutral doesn't help much.
@Karn, when you get the chance, what makes you feel good about Rodemy? I thought his tying of Generic to Seppel felt pretty forced/scummy, plus he seemed a little defensive when I voted him in RVS.
1) I didn't. I thought he was referring to other OGI I happen to be in with Karn and Generic.
2) Where did I say it annoyed me?
3) I don't feel any townie vibes from Rodemy, which is why I left my vote on him out of RVS. Defends Guardman quite a bit, some OMGUS etc etc. The only thing in his favor is that he's completely new to the game so he can feign ignorance.
4) Uhm... it's a quick moving thread? What specifically about those comments make them scummy?
This post. The way he phrased it makes it seem like he knows I'm town. It's not enough to go on by itself, but it's made me want to give Asenion's posts a higher amount of attention going forward.
Do you happen to know how many games has Asenion played with you?
@Asenion,
If you know the answer to the question, feel free. Is this from personal experience in games with Caex or just from reading games he's been in?
3) I don't feel any townie vibes from Rodemy, which is why I left my vote on him out of RVS. Defends Guardman quite a bit, some OMGUS etc etc. The only thing in his favor is that he's completely new to the game so he can feign ignorance.
My defence of GMan was due to the fact that their argument against him was "Joke posts= ScumGMan" As someone who has never played before, i can't accept that as a valid argument, and just see it as scummy.
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Well don't intend to just sit back and spectate lngrrrr, I signed up to play, and if I can help I will. Right now though the strangest part of this day is the strong push on seppel. He hasn't done anything different to a few others who have presented cases with flaws. And why is guardman being cleared as town on the strength of seppel being considered scum?
I get the impression that the two mafia are using the situation to try and force a lynch on a strong asset to town. Which would ironically actually make guardman town, but this is just a theory. Cos the push to make seppel lead suspect seems farfetched.
And rodemy currently has a five man mafia team going on there, how about you narrow that down for now to your three strongest suspects and how they link together.
Cos already I can see potential that rodemy is one mafia and has potentially listed his teammate in those five in a weak bus for later scrutiny.
My top three are Sepple, 7Hawk, and Ascenion.
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Caex is still a suspicion but not in my top three because Ascenion could be Scumbussing (i think that's the term.. where someone agrees with someone town to get other people to think they are town.. or if they are discovered scum make them think the other person is scum..)
Ascion made the slip early in the game by Agreeing with Caex.. and then quickly posting that he'd shoot 7hawk..A ploy that i see as: "If hawk is discovered scum down the line, i can use the defense that i wanted to shoot him early in the game...)
Suddenly sepple goes straight for the throat and Caex agrees with him. Sepple seems like he accused someone right off the back because of Ass-onion's (am i the only one who reads it like that?) strage defence and people were onto him. So sepple accusing gaurdman and caex quickly agrees.. to get the pressure off of Ascenion, which is also why i think Caex is scum but not as much as the aforementioned three
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3) I don't feel any townie vibes from Rodemy, which is why I left my vote on him out of RVS. Defends Guardman quite a bit, some OMGUS etc etc. The only thing in his favor is that he's completely new to the game so he can feign ignorance.
@Seppel
I'm not the best at forum mafia cause I generally play in person. S;G is my only completed game on the site. I won as mafia but not thanks to my play, I got killed day 2 off of a botched claim.
Caex is still a suspicion but not in my top three because Ascenion could be Scumbussing (i think that's the term.. where someone agrees with someone town to get other people to think they are town.. or if they are discovered scum make them think the other person is scum..)
Ascion made the slip early in the game by Agreeing with Caex.. and then quickly posting that he'd shoot 7hawk..A ploy that i see as: "If hawk is discovered scum down the line, i can use the defense that i wanted to shoot him early in the game...)
Suddenly sepple goes straight for the throat and Caex agrees with him. Sepple seems like he accused someone right off the back because of Ass-onion's (am i the only one who reads it like that?) strage defence and people were onto him. So sepple accusing gaurdman and caex quickly agrees.. to get the pressure off of Ascenion, which is also why i think Caex is scum but not as much as the aforementioned three
Oh, so my question might have served a purpose for someone in their scum hunting? Nice to know given how much abuse I got from a couple of people
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I'm not the best at forum mafia cause I generally play in person. S;G is my only completed game on the site. I won as mafia but not thanks to my play, I got killed day 2 off of a botched claim.
And Hawk says i use caps lock too much...
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Question: Why are you open to the possibility of their only being "one other scum than me"?
Nope.
Things that stood out:
Guardman is coming from a defensive mindset, plus start-of-game scum meta.
Something Asenion said is making me :eyebrow:. Got my eye on him.
Generic reads more town this time around. Bumps him up to a neutral read.
Sir Karn sounds pretty town.
If Guardman is scum, Seppel is more likely to be scum bussing than town, I think.
Undecided on the rest.
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No read on those not mentioned.
Seppel's comments can be he felt guard scum slipped by case of meta, but I remember guard joking in kitten, so I see the meta as null. The acronym point that seppel's makes is a reach.
Anyone I am not mentioning hasn't left an impression
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Not in particular. I probably should have voted at first to put more pressure on him, but whatevs it all worked out in the end.
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I have never been so close to wanting to ragequit since Twilight Mafia.
What did he say and why did you never share a thought of that until seppel's post.
Please don't. I joined this game just to play with you. My game limit is 2 because I don't want to overwhelm myself, but I really want to play with you.
I think guard as scum keeps things low(this was my observation during animaniacs mafia) I don't know if this changed since that game, but a lot of what I read from guard this game, sounded like there was a personal issue with you from an ongoing game.
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This seems likely.
In the event of an sk or someother independent role, would he/she have the same win conditions as the town, or would he/she need to be the last one standing?
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Oh I can tell we are going to have all kinds of effective communication this game. We are off to a fantastic start.
I hadn't noticed that, but yeah it sounds like the mod is specifically telling us how many scum we are dealing with. Interesting. To make 2 and 10 work, the scum either need a lot of power in comparison the Town, or one of the 10 need to be a third party.
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I'm not actually telling you anything about the setup except "Twleve players."
You're the one not reading my case but calling it bad. Go ahead and fling some more mud though. Also, you ignored my question:
Well... ****.
My whole world just got flipped...
If you want me to break down your "case" line by line and tear it apart I will. I just wanted you to offer me something better with more solid evidence and save us both some trouble.
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Go for it.
I actually believe this.
Unvote.
I have the same feeling.
Does this mean you think Seppel is scum regardless of Guardman's alignment, or only if Guardman is scum?
You brought this upon yourself.
The latter, most likely.
I always suspect Seppel of being scum, so I may be biased.
But him coming in here and immediately declaring Guardman as scum reads like a plan to get lots of town credit by saying "Look what I called at the start of the game!" if Guardman is lynched. But as I said before, bussing this early is a risky move, and one Seppel wouldn't do if there were only two scum. Speaking of which...
Generic just claimed neutral. I think he needs to fullclaim.
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I want to know why you believed him.
Dude you have played with Seppel before right? He always comes in and list scum and town reads like that. I don't understand where this reach is coming from.
First reaction was tons of WIFOM, but the second half explains better why you have been way more aggressive then normal.
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I asked you a question Caex about your vote and why you waited up until Seppel placed a case and voted for Guardman.
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You decided to push a scum read on someone based on joke post and the fact that Guard can point to some games he did as town is inconsequential to you.
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
I decided "Hey, I'm going to express suspicion of Guardman in a nebulous way to see what happens," which is exactly what I did.
When Seppel brought it up as well, it was vindication of my read and I got excited that someone saw the same thing I did.
Two joke posts that felt the same as Guardman's past scum games, where he forces some humor into his first few posts.
BTW, saying "Guardman did that before as town" is a weak argument at best. I've done multiple PBPAs in a game as town before. That didn't stop me from doing a bajillion of them in Ataghan as scum.
The amount of scum-to-town RVS joke posts from Guardman is pretty heavily slanted toward scum.
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Since you've already played the "Something is scummy about this poster, can anyone find it?" game, could you tell us what makes you suspicious?
@Sir Karn,
Could you do the same?
Oh, and I know flavorgaming = weaksauce, but having Gaius be a neutral is pretty awesome from a flavor standpoint. (I'm assuming Generic is telling the truth.)
@Generic, why do you think that you're more likely to be targeted by the mafia than town is if you're neutral? I've never played a neutral role so I can't say exactly how I'd act, but I would think by claiming that the town/mafia are going to go after someone that actually supports their win condition.
Noticing a lack of scumhunting from 7hawk77. He posted a T/S list, which I appreciate, but I'd like to see him actually challenge people.
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2. Sir Karn
3. Generic
4. Rodemy
5. LnGrrrR
6. Guardman
7. Cythare
8. 7hawk77
9. Asenion
10. Hansanator
11. Caex Kothar
12. Pinkys_brain
Aight I need to read into more of you people.
I'm sticking with Sepple as scum. Too much metagaming (that means basing facts on other games right?) for the fact there are new people in here. Try and convince us people are scum without saying: "Oh, in other games when he does this: it means he is scum."
As a guy who has never played with any of you before, i will not accept that as a valid argument.
Also your mention of the Acronym was in your argument post.. and it was mentioned for no reason other than to further a point. And using a useless fact to further a point is pretty scummy to me.
I am leaning towards Generic as Neutral, and Hawk just seems too anti-me for me to be comfortable with. Even Sepple said i was Obvious Town and hasn't changed that fact even though my vote has been on him the entire game (minus the little Karn incident) and all hawk wants to do is vote me because i have strong opinions.
This post. The way he phrased it makes it seem like he knows I'm town. It's not enough to go on by itself, but it's made me want to give Asenion's posts a higher amount of attention going forward.
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[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]2. Sir Karn
[COLOR=Gray]3. Generic
[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]4. Rodemy
[/COLOR]5. LnGrrrR
[COLOR=Red]6. Sepple
[COLOR=green]7. Cythare ( Need a better read.. but don't trust you)
[COLOR=Red]8. 7hawk77
[COLOR=Red]9. Asenion
[COLOR=Red]10. Hansanator
[COLOR=Red]11. Caex Kothar
12. Pinkys_brain (not sure yet..)
How did you know exactly what Guardman was talking about?
Why does that annoy you?
Why did you ask Karn this?
"Too much metagaming"? There was one minor point that involved the metagame. It's supporting evidence, not the main point.
At this point I'm just going to assume you're trolling and I'm going to ignore you. You've refused to answer my questions regarding Guardman and you keep hounding on something that isn't even true.
If you'd like your opinion to matter, feel free to adjust your attitude.
Good day.
I knew something was weird with generic because he wasn't acting completely normal but his actions still had town motive. At least I know I had one decent read on someone
Posting a T/S list helps me organize my thoughts on the game and forces me to objectively rate all of the players. I have nothing to hide as town so I don't mind putting all of my current thoughts on the table. I take what other people say with a grain of salt even if they are high on my list so I'm not worried about being misled by misreading others.
@Karn
Now that you have got a claim from generic, do you feel like your case was valid? Do you think that you were tunneling?
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2. Sir Karn
3. Generic
4. Rodemy
5. LnGrrrR (I can't read you... but i don't think you are scum...)
6. Guardman
7. Cythare I don't trust you. Post more? i want your opinion on the current accusations.
8. 7hawk77 (You already know why)
9. Asenion Your strange agreement with an offhand comment of Caex)
10. Hansanator Your lack of posts are irksome and you just lurk in the shadows... post more to convince me otherwise..)
11. Caex Kothar(asenions strange agreement with your offhand comment and then your late defense of being suspicious of him because he did that.. after people pointed it out)
12. Pinkys_brain (i can't get a read on you.. post more thoughts on the current accusation)
I'd agree with most of this. As you stated, unless you prove very adept at finding scum, I would think they would rather just leave you alone and try to move towards their win condition. Same goes for town, as a dead neutral doesn't help much.
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I probably missed that question. Also, no need to get emotional because of people pointing out something that just doesn't make sense.
Would you mind asking the question again?
I asked you some questions.
1) I didn't. I thought he was referring to other OGI I happen to be in with Karn and Generic.
2) Where did I say it annoyed me?
3) I don't feel any townie vibes from Rodemy, which is why I left my vote on him out of RVS. Defends Guardman quite a bit, some OMGUS etc etc. The only thing in his favor is that he's completely new to the game so he can feign ignorance.
4) Uhm... it's a quick moving thread? What specifically about those comments make them scummy?
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Do you happen to know how many games has Asenion played with you?
@Asenion,
If you know the answer to the question, feel free. Is this from personal experience in games with Caex or just from reading games he's been in?
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My defence of GMan was due to the fact that their argument against him was "Joke posts= ScumGMan" As someone who has never played before, i can't accept that as a valid argument, and just see it as scummy.
My top three are Sepple, 7Hawk, and Ascenion.
Ascion made the slip early in the game by Agreeing with Caex.. and then quickly posting that he'd shoot 7hawk..A ploy that i see as: "If hawk is discovered scum down the line, i can use the defense that i wanted to shoot him early in the game...)
Suddenly sepple goes straight for the throat and Caex agrees with him. Sepple seems like he accused someone right off the back because of Ass-onion's (am i the only one who reads it like that?) strage defence and people were onto him. So sepple accusing gaurdman and caex quickly agrees.. to get the pressure off of Ascenion, which is also why i think Caex is scum but not as much as the aforementioned three
So a misunderstanding on top of a misunderstanding.
You sound annoyed in that quote. Why else would you say that you wanted to say things, but then not say them?
Why is defending Guardman scummy?
Nothing inherently scummy about it (though it's amusing that you imply that I think it's scummy). But why say it three times?
I've never played with Hawk before. Tell me about him.
I'm not the best at forum mafia cause I generally play in person. S;G is my only completed game on the site. I won as mafia but not thanks to my play, I got killed day 2 off of a botched claim.
If you need a good laugh, here it is http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=9870886&postcount=556
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Woe is the Neut
Hahaha. That was good.
You'll remember to falseclaim properly this game, right?
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