2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@ZDS: I would want to do some research on this situation voting Zionite over it. If he's ever done this as town, then it isn't very solid. To be honest, I'm surprised to see you vote him so quickly over it, you are normally so cautious.
Also, did anyone else see something slightly unusual on the sign-up list, like a couple people who were set apart? Or was I just seeing things, because it's not there now.
@ZDS: I would want to do some research on this situation voting Zionite over it. If he's ever done this as town, then it isn't very solid. To be honest, I'm surprised to see you vote him so quickly over it, you are normally so cautious.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
CropCircles' vote masquerades as a random vote despite RVS being over, and even acknowledges this fact. No reasons given, and the 3rd vote on a single target in a mini. Even if it were RVS, that's an indication of scum opportunism with no interest in scum hunting.
Vote: Zionite
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Hey, WoLG...wut? Zionite hasn't flipped in the other game you just quoted. Are you trying to tell us you know Zionite's alignment in this game?
I'm pointing out that he said it's scummy to throw on a third vote in a mini via a joke vote. I didn't see his next post saying he wanted to do it because of policy, which makes it even worse in my opinion so vote stays.
I have no idea what you mean by flipping, nor do I know anyone's alignment but my own.
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Ah, I thought you were trying to say he did it in another game as scum. Please don't reference on-going games.
Hey Az. I see you're /barning me. But I don't think Cyan's scum. If you had to pick another, who and why? I might be leaning Axelrod but could be convinced of another non-Cyan player.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
*/barning me in the sense that we think AE and ZDS are scum for similar reasons - though to clarify, my initial read on AE was due to his seeming nervousness to post and ZDS for his snap-defensive reaction for bad reasons when AE was attacked.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
*/barning me in the sense that we think AE and ZDS are scum for similar reasons - though to clarify, my initial read on AE was due to his seeming nervousness to post and ZDS for his snap-defensive reaction for bad reasons when AE was attacked.
God I hate it when people sound so sure of themselves in, like, the first 10 posts of the game (those who are serious, that is. I don't care about the joke "I've broken the game already" posts so much).
I love it. If it's legit, I wonder what the restrictions are.
Sorry, just playing around.
In that vein, I am happy to vote for the Zombiescum at this time.
Vote: Iso
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
A part of me hopes Zionite was actually joking at first and saw in Cyan's question + Archmage's comment a good occasion to troll.
On a brighter note, Iso's "ZDS got snap defensive when the player he was voting was attacked" is funny.
If he caught flak when he did it the first time, which I bet he did, then there is no excuse for doing it again. Assuming this is indeed a serious vote, then is either using his meta to gain free town cred or laying a really bad trap. Either way he is well deserving of my vote.
(if he didn't catch flak, I'll unvote)
Speaking of meta, what would you say my meta is? Somehow you sound like this is our first game together ever, and you only know me from rumours.
(Not to say I'm not cautious — my vote may have been quick but I did ponder it. Probably more than you pondered the situation, in fact.)
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Unvote, Vote ZDS
It takes me like 5 minutes to type that on my iPod.
Hey Az, the answer to my other question, if you please?
The question is silly. It's only page 2 of the game thread, I've got three targets that I'm fairly satisfied with, and nobody else is pinging me so far.
Quit trying to anger-tilt me, bro. You can't touch this good mood.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
A part of me hopes Zionite was actually joking at first and saw in Cyan's question + Archmage's comment a good occasion to troll.
On a brighter note, Iso's "ZDS got snap defensive when the player he was voting was attacked" is funny.
If he caught flak when he did it the first time, which I bet he did, then there is no excuse for doing it again. Assuming this is indeed a serious vote, then is either using his meta to gain free town cred or laying a really bad trap. Either way he is well deserving of my vote.
(if he didn't catch flak, I'll unvote)
Speaking of meta, what would you say my meta is? Somehow you sound like this is our first game together ever, and you only know me from rumours.
(Not to say I'm not cautious — my vote may have been quick but I did ponder it. Probably more than you pondered the situation, in fact.)
This entire post sound like you're being calculatingly defensive. Like you're trying to crush something before it starts, giving yourself the idea that you're a strong force that shouldn't be questioned.
Well, that didn't work like I planned but it was useful enough.
Unvote, vote ZDS
I think the fact that you've opportunistically jumped on as the third vote in two separate wagons is scummy. It looks to me like your plan is to bandwagon and OMGUS vote anyone voting you that has accumulated votes on them.
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I think the fact that you've opportunistically jumped on as the third vote in two separate wagons is scummy. It looks to me like your plan is to bandwagon and OMGUS vote anyone voting you that has accumulated votes on them.
@WoLG: no u
@Zionite: And what exactly was your plan?
@ZDS: When I figured out I wouldn't be at my laptop any time soon, I decided to go through the painstaking effort of manually typing up my vote. When did I "clear" Zionite? Why os your assumption that my mindset is currently "anyone who attacks Zionite is scum"?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
[FONT=georgia]I have no idea where this wagon on me is coming from. Can someone give an explanation which does not involve interpreting my emotional state in a way that directly contradicts facts and common sense?
It must be very frustrating to be caught this early in such a cool game.
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Well Az is town. There's no way he's lying. Or false-breadcrumbing.
Archmage is scum because he didn't read the OP before his first post. Also his first post is vaguely defensive. Obvious scum tell.
Vote: Archmage
Both these jokes are awkward and represent mixed mentalities. I don't like that you're concluding I'm town this early, even as a joke.
Second, you mix a legitimate reason to kill Archmage with a throwaway reason, and toss in this awkward label of the tell as an "obvious scum tell". Not sure why you're trying to sell up that read, unless you're already self-consciously trying to justify your stances and votes.
[FONT=georgia]The better question is: you're seriously advocating we lynch AE because you can't read him?
Vote: Zionite
It's like I'm reading posts by a newbie player who tries to bait reactions by acting scummy. Except instead of a newbie player it's Zionite.[/FONT]
You're overreacting to a gambit/joke, hook, line, and sinker. Much too vehement, much to quick to condemn and take it at face value. Typically, it's scum who fail to get the joke with these sorts of plays, which is why both Iso and I are going berserk on everyone who took the bait.
I mean, RVS kinda got shot in the head a short moment ago.[/FONT]
Critiquing Iso for not having anything better to say, despite all his content so far? Really? Seems like a trend of picking on folks without good reason.
[FONT=georgia]A part of me hopes Zionite was actually joking at first and saw in Cyan's question + Archmage's comment a good occasion to troll.
On a brighter note, Iso's "ZDS got snap defensive when the player he was voting was attacked" is funny.
You write off the launching of a serious wagon by calling it "funny" and appending a smilie face that I'm pretty sure you don't actually feel, due to how tilting you are. Which means you're probably trying to hide how hard you're tilting at being called out this early. Not good.
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If he caught flak when he did it the first time, which I bet he did, then there is no excuse for doing it again. Assuming this is indeed a serious vote, then is either using his meta to gain free town cred or laying a really bad trap. Either way he is well deserving of my vote.
(if he didn't catch flak, I'll unvote)
Why deserving of a vote for laying a trap - and why was it a bad trap? Because it was frustrating to be caught by it?
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Speaking of meta, what would you say my meta is? Somehow you sound like this is our first game together ever, and you only know me from rumours.
(Not to say I'm not cautious — my vote may have been quick but I did ponder it. Probably more than you pondered the situation, in fact.)[/FONT]
And now you're not-so-subtly suggesting that you're being misread because Iso doesn't know your meta. Right. And you're supposed to be town?
[FONT=georgia]I have no idea where this wagon on me is coming from. Can someone give an explanation which does not involve interpreting my emotional state in a way that directly contradicts facts and common sense?
Already heavily trashing the case against you, despite declaring in the immediately preceding sentence that you don't know what it is.
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If I am obvscum enough to deserve four barely justified votes, then surely the case on me is stronger than "ZDS is scumbuddies with Archmage (who he was voting) because he panicked when Zionite suggested policy lynching Archmage (despite said lynch having a snowball's chance in Hell of happening), and now he is calculatingly defensive (in response to blatant misinterpretations of his mindset)".
You're mistating the cases pretty badly here for cheap rhetorical thrills.
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The above contains no analysis of my play, and anything in it resembling an analysis of my state of mind is complete nonsense. There's behavioural analysis, and then there's jumping to conclusions because I somehow pushed some people's buttons.
Etc., etc., see above.
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Iso, why did you wait until Az voted to do so yourself?
You're suggesting Iso was barning me? *eyebrow*
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Az and Iso, why do you clear Zionite, and why to the point of (between the two of you) having a scum read on anyone who calls him scum or who he called scum?
Zionite isn't cleared, although he doesn't look too bad right now in my estimation, having netted you.
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Seppel, your interpretation is right but why does it make me scum?
His interpretation is right? Didn't you just spend this entire post saying that people's analysis of your mind-set was wrong?
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Zionite, what was it you planned, and what are your personal thoughts on me?[/FONT]
Looks like a cheap attempt to get Zionite to admit he planned a trap, and since he planned a trap that was "bad", you're excused for falling into it, and then get him to say that he isn't as sure about your alignment as Iso, Seps, and I to stymie momentum.
You're overreacting to a gambit/joke, hook, line, and sinker. Much too vehement, much to quick to condemn and take it at face value. Typically, it's scum who fail to get the joke with these sorts of plays, which is why both Iso and I are going berserk on everyone who took the bait.
Is this gambit/joke in regards to Zinotes play? If so then I disagree. There was no joke there. Just seriousness masked in RVS. His gambit was to get me lynched no doubt but now he's just following like a sheep. Horrible town play.
@ZDS: the thing I am disliking the most out of all the things Az just posted is how you declared Az to be "Town" immediately, because there's no way he could be "lying" or "false-breadcrumbing," after that series of posts he made to start the game.
How serious was that remark? Because it didn't read like a joke to me, but if its not a joke then I don't get it at all.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Is this gambit/joke in regards to Zinotes play? If so then I disagree. There was no joke there. Just seriousness masked in RVS. His gambit was to get me lynched no doubt but now he's just following like a sheep. Horrible town play.
Well, that didn't work like I planned but it was useful enough.
Unvote, vote ZDS
I'll also join in the call for you to explain this one a bit better also. What didn't work like you planned and what exactly were you planning here? Please, just lay it all out for me in excruciating detail.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
By the way, can you sticky the "throwdown" thread?
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On a brighter note, Iso's "ZDS got snap defensive when the player he was voting was attacked" is funny.
My least favorite thing ZDS has posted is the above.
When town players defend themselves against what they feel are bad attacks, they may get angry, but they tend to treat you as a misguided equal. When scum defend themselves, they can't seem to help slipping into this kind of patronizing, sickly, condescending attitude.
And here, that statement and the smiley just seems incredibly fake and artificial. There's nothing funny about the attacks on ZDS. It's just that he's trying to force a smile, to avoid going on tilt. It's very insincere, and very scummy, and you can see him trying to pull a number of other similarly sneaky defensive tactics in several of the posts I quoted.
Is this gambit/joke in regards to Zinotes play? If so then I disagree. There was no joke there. Just seriousness masked in RVS. His gambit was to get me lynched no doubt but now he's just following like a sheep. Horrible town play.
Speaking of meta, what would you say my meta is? Somehow you sound like this is our first game together ever, and you only know me from rumours.
(Not to say I'm not cautious — my vote may have been quick but I did ponder it. Probably more than you pondered the situation, in fact.)
Agreed, they're pretty bad, and I didn't fully hit on the number of things that are wrong with them above. In the one, it's like he's trying to toss you a bone by saying your reasoning is correct, then trying to squirm using this artificial socratic-method logic professor persona to nitpick your train of thought, which really had nothing wrong with it to begin with.
And then the meta line is just a complete non sequitur. No one has brought up meta at all, and it's such a weak and flimsy excuse designed to undermine people's confidence in the reads on him.
EVERYONE, PLEASE CALM DOWN. Help has arrived. We're all going to be fine now. But have a gravely important question, if I could just have your attention in this mess for a simple minute:
Is FrophMoff actually chamber?
ADDITIONALLY - before any hammers get dropped, I would love the chance to appear in person and drop them myself. Because I love hammering.
@WellofLostGnomes: I get what you're trying to do, but it doesn't work in this context at all. An ongoing game without bodies doesn't prove anything here. You'll have to find something else to talk about.
I thought it worked exactly how you were planning...?
Well I had wanted more of a reaction from AE, but someone called it out as a trap before he posted and he completely ignored it. Fortunately it did stumble ZDS out of hiding. I've recently become a fan of these RVS shenanigans; I never wanted to policy lynch A_E but I did want a reaction to read.
The point is that ZDS spent far too long to justify voting for me, and his defense is condescending while not actually answering the concerns of the case against him. I don't agree with Azrael that ZDS is acting out of caught-scum frustration, but I do see a lack of logical arguments being presented with flowing rhetoric. Like this:
[FONT=georgia]I have no idea where this wagon on me is coming from. Can someone give an explanation which does not involve interpreting my emotional state in a way that directly contradicts facts and common sense?
If I am obvscum enough to deserve four barely justified votes, then surely the case on me is stronger than "ZDS is scumbuddies with Archmage (who he was voting) because he panicked when Zionite suggested policy lynching Archmage (despite said lynch having a snowball's chance in Hell of happening), and now he is calculatingly defensive (in response to blatant misinterpretations of his mindset)".
The above contains no analysis of my play, and anything in it resembling an analysis of my state of mind is complete nonsense. There's behavioural analysis, and then there's jumping to conclusions because I somehow pushed some people's buttons.
This is a blatant strawman argument. No one is arguing that buddying is why ZDS is scum, yet he makes this conclusion to more easily refute the case against him. The argument is that you simply overreacted. This is desperate scum trying to talk out of it and only digging the hole deeper.
I certainly never said there was no townie explanation for your play. I think what I've actually said stands for itself. You're being far too subtle, insincere, and deceptive, and it's been picked up on by multiple people.
Whether Zionite was deadpan or actually serious - which I doubt - your behavior is conforming to a profile that tends to be a very reliable indicator of scum alignment. If you want to offer a competing explanation, I'm happy to listen to it, before we kill you.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@ZDS: I would want to do some research on this situation voting Zionite over it. If he's ever done this as town, then it isn't very solid. To be honest, I'm surprised to see you vote him so quickly over it, you are normally so cautious.
No, Axelrod.
He's gotta keep scumAE alive.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This sounds really familiar...
Vote: Zionite
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Oh please, you're flattering me.
Besides, Seppel agrees with me any anything Seppel says is awesome.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I like that one. I think I'll keep it.
I love it. If it's legit, I wonder what the restrictions are.
Scum #1
Scum#2, bussing, trusting me way too early, and badly attacking Zionite.
Scum #3, also badly attacking Zionite.
Game. Over.
Concede?
I'm pointing out that he said it's scummy to throw on a third vote in a mini via a joke vote. I didn't see his next post saying he wanted to do it because of policy, which makes it even worse in my opinion so vote stays.
I have no idea what you mean by flipping, nor do I know anyone's alignment but my own.
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Hey Az. I see you're /barning me. But I don't think Cyan's scum. If you had to pick another, who and why? I might be leaning Axelrod but could be convinced of another non-Cyan player.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Wrong sour puss.
Wrong
Could be bussing but your looking in the wrong direction.
Nervous? Pry tell.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
?
Sorry, just playing around.
In that vein, I am happy to vote for the Zombiescum at this time.
Vote: Iso
I thought that for a split second and then read his posts again. He seems cool, so far.
Oh, you are so, so scum.
Vote ZDS
Unvote, Vote ZDS
It takes me like 5 minutes to type that on my iPod.
Hey Az, the answer to my other question, if you please?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The question is silly. It's only page 2 of the game thread, I've got three targets that I'm fairly satisfied with, and nobody else is pinging me so far.
Quit trying to anger-tilt me, bro. You can't touch this good mood.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Let me put it this way.
I want you to find me 14 players in this game who are scum, aside from your current targets. Go!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This entire post sound like you're being calculatingly defensive. Like you're trying to crush something before it starts, giving yourself the idea that you're a strong force that shouldn't be questioned.
Unvote, vote ZDS
We all know that Xyre is scum though, the mod just won't let us lynch him.
Aside from that, I like your read on me. Iso's read is bad and he should feel bad.
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Unvote, vote ZDS
I think the fact that you've opportunistically jumped on as the third vote in two separate wagons is scummy. It looks to me like your plan is to bandwagon and OMGUS vote anyone voting you that has accumulated votes on them.
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You're entitled to your opinion.
Because you're a strong enough player that you don't need to do that if you were town.
@Zionite: And what exactly was your plan?
@ZDS: When I figured out I wouldn't be at my laptop any time soon, I decided to go through the painstaking effort of manually typing up my vote. When did I "clear" Zionite? Why os your assumption that my mindset is currently "anyone who attacks Zionite is scum"?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I mean, should be obvious I'm not keen on Zi's last vote.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I thought it worked exactly how you were planning...?
It must be very frustrating to be caught this early in such a cool game.
Both these jokes are awkward and represent mixed mentalities. I don't like that you're concluding I'm town this early, even as a joke.
Second, you mix a legitimate reason to kill Archmage with a throwaway reason, and toss in this awkward label of the tell as an "obvious scum tell". Not sure why you're trying to sell up that read, unless you're already self-consciously trying to justify your stances and votes.
You're overreacting to a gambit/joke, hook, line, and sinker. Much too vehement, much to quick to condemn and take it at face value. Typically, it's scum who fail to get the joke with these sorts of plays, which is why both Iso and I are going berserk on everyone who took the bait.
Critiquing Iso for not having anything better to say, despite all his content so far? Really? Seems like a trend of picking on folks without good reason.
You write off the launching of a serious wagon by calling it "funny" and appending a smilie face that I'm pretty sure you don't actually feel, due to how tilting you are. Which means you're probably trying to hide how hard you're tilting at being called out this early. Not good.
Why deserving of a vote for laying a trap - and why was it a bad trap? Because it was frustrating to be caught by it?
And now you're not-so-subtly suggesting that you're being misread because Iso doesn't know your meta. Right. And you're supposed to be town?
Already heavily trashing the case against you, despite declaring in the immediately preceding sentence that you don't know what it is.
You're mistating the cases pretty badly here for cheap rhetorical thrills.
Etc., etc., see above.
You're suggesting Iso was barning me? *eyebrow*
Zionite isn't cleared, although he doesn't look too bad right now in my estimation, having netted you.
His interpretation is right? Didn't you just spend this entire post saying that people's analysis of your mind-set was wrong?
Looks like a cheap attempt to get Zionite to admit he planned a trap, and since he planned a trap that was "bad", you're excused for falling into it, and then get him to say that he isn't as sure about your alignment as Iso, Seps, and I to stymie momentum.
No. He in fact wanted a policy lynch on me. But then another wagon formed that wasn't on him so he's fine with it.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
And this is why you're probably next after ZDS flips scum.
Is this gambit/joke in regards to Zinotes play? If so then I disagree. There was no joke there. Just seriousness masked in RVS. His gambit was to get me lynched no doubt but now he's just following like a sheep. Horrible town play.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
And this is why the town will go down in flames.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
How serious was that remark? Because it didn't read like a joke to me, but if its not a joke then I don't get it at all.
How do you know?
How do you know Azrael is town?
I'll also join in the call for you to explain this one a bit better also. What didn't work like you planned and what exactly were you planning here? Please, just lay it all out for me in excruciating detail.
History
I don't
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Az, I believe ZDS made his meta defense to Cyan, not me.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
By the way, can you sticky the "throwdown" thread?
My least favorite thing ZDS has posted is the above.
When town players defend themselves against what they feel are bad attacks, they may get angry, but they tend to treat you as a misguided equal. When scum defend themselves, they can't seem to help slipping into this kind of patronizing, sickly, condescending attitude.
And here, that statement and the smiley just seems incredibly fake and artificial. There's nothing funny about the attacks on ZDS. It's just that he's trying to force a smile, to avoid going on tilt. It's very insincere, and very scummy, and you can see him trying to pull a number of other similarly sneaky defensive tactics in several of the posts I quoted.
How does he know Zionite is town?
See the bold:
These are my least favorite lines.
Agreed, they're pretty bad, and I didn't fully hit on the number of things that are wrong with them above. In the one, it's like he's trying to toss you a bone by saying your reasoning is correct, then trying to squirm using this artificial socratic-method logic professor persona to nitpick your train of thought, which really had nothing wrong with it to begin with.
And then the meta line is just a complete non sequitur. No one has brought up meta at all, and it's such a weak and flimsy excuse designed to undermine people's confidence in the reads on him.
Is FrophMoff actually chamber?
ADDITIONALLY - before any hammers get dropped, I would love the chance to appear in person and drop them myself. Because I love hammering.
Well I had wanted more of a reaction from AE, but someone called it out as a trap before he posted and he completely ignored it. Fortunately it did stumble ZDS out of hiding. I've recently become a fan of these RVS shenanigans; I never wanted to policy lynch A_E but I did want a reaction to read.
The point is that ZDS spent far too long to justify voting for me, and his defense is condescending while not actually answering the concerns of the case against him. I don't agree with Azrael that ZDS is acting out of caught-scum frustration, but I do see a lack of logical arguments being presented with flowing rhetoric. Like this:
This is a blatant strawman argument. No one is arguing that buddying is why ZDS is scum, yet he makes this conclusion to more easily refute the case against him. The argument is that you simply overreacted. This is desperate scum trying to talk out of it and only digging the hole deeper.
Don't answer that! It's a trap!
Whether Zionite was deadpan or actually serious - which I doubt - your behavior is conforming to a profile that tends to be a very reliable indicator of scum alignment. If you want to offer a competing explanation, I'm happy to listen to it, before we kill you.