@WoLG: You and Iso should not be the least bit surprised that Xyre is town. When Cyouni flipped town - which had he bothered to appear townie in the least I would've used my ability, but instead he went the weak flavor defense and uninspiring Xyre + Zionite are scum remark to close out so I presumed he was still scum- it should've been obvious we have a Tracker/Watcher combo and not a cop.
Caex needs to die, but no reason to speed through today.
I'm still liking Voxx as scum, and either Wessel or Zionite.
Also, @Stardust: I strongly suspect Xyre was killed because of the reason above - once Cy flipped town, it became obvious who the townie was left between the two (he and Caex). They didn't want Xyre being able to deliver results. This leads me to believe the "jailer" if it exists, is town, and the scum do not have a role-blocker.
Why do you think the jailer is town and why would he roleblock/protect the guy that cannot be touched in theory? If he believed in Caex he would certainly not do that.
I think Caex may just be a godfather, the untargetable type.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
@WoLG: You and Iso should not be the least bit surprised that Xyre is town. When Cyouni flipped town - which had he bothered to appear townie in the least I would've used my ability, but instead he went the weak flavor defense and uninspiring Xyre + Zionite are scum remark to close out so I presumed he was still scum- it should've been obvious we have a Tracker/Watcher combo and not a cop.
Caex needs to die, but no reason to speed through today.
I'm still liking Voxx as scum, and either Wessel or Zionite.
To be fair, the fact that flavor was used against him at all is suspect. I was actually quite pissed that he got lynched for that. This was my comment to Iso as soon as I got off work and read that Cyouni had been strung up in a few short hours:
"Seppel started the Cyouni wagon completely based on the principle that giving the extra vote was optional. I really wish I could have been on to post: "As a town role, if you're tracking someone, you pretty much think their scum, so you'd want to not give the scum an extra vote."
That whole BS about false claiming Gandalf because he was in the flavor post is ridiculous. Especially since Asian has a history of putting characters in the flavor posts. Also...how many main characters can we really exclude from being in the game? It's highly unlikely that a scum would false claim Gandalf, and I doubt Gandalf would be any type of scum role.
I really wanted that second vote."
Also, to point out something else horribly scummy about caex:
"aex not getting involved in the Cyouni wagon raises a bit of a red flag with his EBWODP hammer. That reads like scum distancing himself from a townie lynch, then trying to set up a false dichotomy "If Cyouni flips town, Xyre is almost certainly scum."
I really don't see why Caex wouldn't want to give us the extra 24 hours. I had so much more stuff to post, and Cyouni couldn't even really defend himself from the garbage logic that his role "has to be scumzorz""
I'm perfectly happy with lynching Caex. If I could vote him twice (Which I should have been able to if y'all didn't lynch Cyouni) I would.
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No, I wasn't referring to the flavor attack, I was referring to his defense essentially being 'you guys know I'm Gandalf, right?' as he was being strung up and 'Oh well, Xyre and Zionite are scum'. Those were lackluster.
@DRey: A townie jailor would do that because it wouldn't work if Caex was telling the truth (and ergo not scum). I do share your opinion about the untargetability, however. I believe that's the actual role.
Surprising NK, I expected them to roleblock Xyre hoping I would kill him for them. The best part is that I spend a great deal of time rereading the game and I noticed Xyre was town after my reread. So I shot Caex, yet, he's still alive, so he lied about being unprotectable and the mafia have a doctor or something bizarre is going on. I still have one shot though cause I lied about being one-shot, I'm actually a two-shot vig.
Good on you for shooting correctly; bummer it didn't work.
I wasn't kidding about WoLG being the neutral. Look at how Iso jumped on me for mentioning a neutral (not even the neutral in this game). He's overdefensive and wanted to cut down any neutral discussion before it got started.
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
I wasn't kidding about WoLG being the neutral. Look at how Iso jumped on me for mentioning a neutral (not even the neutral in this game). He's overdefensive and wanted to cut down any neutral discussion before it got started.
Iso wanted me to point out that he caught you from your first post in the game. We should of lynched you yesterday.
Who are your scumbuddies, Caex?
@Zion: That claim explains some of your behavior yesterday and why you were so exasperated with the rest of us for not lynching him. But one thing I'm confused about: Caex was getting lynched today with or without you claiming, so why out yourself?
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1. Cop!Zionite, which means scum is most likely in the Seppel/Wessel/Stardust cluster, with Drey/DYH possibilities if they don't/can't confirm roles.
2. Scum!Zionite counter-claiming his buddy needlessly for town credit, when he'd have been the lynch regardless.
1 is much more likely and matches Zionite's behavior from Day One. Just sort of makes me laugh given the insistence on solving the 'dichotomy' that ended up not existing - as we actually do have a cop, watcher, and tracker in that world.
Going to re-read this in depth now that I have some flips, but initial reaction is that this makes Wessel almost certain scum.
Actually I didn't want to end this day yet, I'm in the middle of something potentially huge that can out the second scum so if you can use your power now I would appreciate DYH.
@Seppel, what did you do to me last night?
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Also I knew Zion was the cop, that was my secret reason for my flip on him at the beginning of the game. He said "I will not be lynched toDay" so I knew he was a power role and unvoted him to prevent a claim. After he was determined to lynch Caex right after the claim, I knew he was the real cop. That was the reason I had no fear of lynching Caex yesterDay and tried to kill him.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Anyway, this CC was completely stupid Zion :wtf:. Caex would be lynched regardless.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Now investigate DYH or Seppel, I promise to not shoot either.
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unvote just in case it's not a hammer. There's much to discuss still.
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I think my preference would have been to lynch Wessel, and you prove the ability to redirect onto Caex, but not end of world.
Also would have preferred Zionite staying quiet and trying to sneak another check in, but if he's legit, he was being fairly blatant on D1, and was a high risk kill tonight after Caex lynch - so revealing the Zindabad innocent wasn't a terrible move I guess.
Quick reads-ish list before the re-read/vote analysis with flips:
Reads should be pretty intuitive - it's operating off of the world that Zionite is town.
Caex/Wessel/Seppel is my scumteam if there's a gun to my head, but that's without checking previous interactions and looking at updated vote tallies. It feels right though, with Wessel's terrible posts near end of yesterday, and Seppel's choice of targets so far.
I haven't liked Drey or DYH's play much, but the claims make them slightly less likely to be scum. Don't like Drey supposedly lying about claim, but eh.
DYH's role is also provable, even if not quite as guaranteed to be townsided as a vig.
Day Two Final Vote Count
Caex Kothar (6): DRey, Wessel, WellOfLostGnomes, Seppel, Zionite, Caex Kothar
Not Voting (4): DYH, Stardust, Voxxicus, zindabad
It did not take long for the dwarvish party to hunt down the orcs. They had set up camp at Weathertop, a tactically shrewd location due to its elevation. The dwarves were fearsome in their fury. They hacked and slashed at the orcish party, cutting down several where they stood. Caex Kothar began to panic as he saw his gang slaughtered, running for his warg in an attempt to outdistance his attackers. In his haste, he clumsily slipped on a loose stone and fell on his own blade.
Bilbo looked upon Caex Kothar's gruesome corpse with a mixture of disgust and pity. For the briefest of moments, Bilbo felt as though someone had placed a firm, yet reassuring hand on his shoulders.
Caex Kothar has been lynched.
Yazneg, Mafia Goon
You have no special abilities.
You may not be the most skilled fighter, but you have a remarkable cruel streak. One of your fondest memories was testing if dwarves were flammable. Next time, you will need to keep him alive longer, if only to hear his screams. Your sadism is matched only by your cowardice.
It is now Night Two.
Night Two will end no later than 11:59PM EST, Sunday, May 12th.
Please send in Night actions as soon as possible and inform me if you have an optional Night action you do not wish to take.
The dwarvish party had made camp at the abandoned Weathertop. While several were uneasy with staying where their enemy had stayed, the others reassured them that holding the high ground would be strategically correct. One even scoffed that the orcs dare not return after the walloping they had just received. The glares of the others soon put him in his place. They had already lost too much.
The sound of a metallic clash startled the lookout, who quickly woke the others. The orcs had come back after all. But who was fighting? They soon realized that DRey was not among them. By the time they came upon him, the dwarven lord had breathed his last. This was too much for the dwarves to bear, and they could no longer hold back the tears that had been welling up for Days. Deep within his hiccup-ravaged throat, Bilbo felt a fire stir. He was tired of running. Tired of hiding. He wanted to strike back. He wanted the orcs to pay. And pay they would.
DRey has been killed.
Thorin II Oakenshield, Town Vigilante
One-shot - Kill (Kill target player.)
Erebor. The Lonely Mountain. Home. You will never rest until you reclaim your ancestral birthright. These orcs and goblins are a mere distraction. You will dispose of them. The larcenous dragon shall be put to death and its hoard returned. Durin's Folk will endure.
It is now Day Three.
With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day Three will end no later than 11:59PM EST, Sunday, June 2th.
I need to go to bed, but here's some quick points and reminders for me:
* Scum apparently have falseclaims. Potentially have false-ability-claims too.
* I want a massclaim. It should have happened yesterday.
* @Mod: Please update the first page.
* I don't like that Zionite came out as a cop CC and pushed Caex to L-1 for a quicklynch before we could do anything. I have more to say about this, but massclaim first.
* One or two other things contingent on what comes out during a massclaim.
I'm surprised I'm alive. But it was more important to get my result out than it was to hide my claim again.
I only had one shot. I contemplated falseclaiming a guilty on Wessel, but I don't see the point in it since the risks outweigh the rewards. I'm fairly certain from Day 1 analysis that Caex's buddies are Wessel and Stardust.
I'm surprised I'm alive. But it was more important to get my result out than it was to hide my claim again.
I only had one shot. I contemplated falseclaiming a guilty on Wessel, but I don't see the point in it since the risks outweigh the rewards. I'm fairly certain from Day 1 analysis that Caex's buddies are Wessel and Stardust.
Iso is glad you agree with his analysis. I'm also of a mind that Wessel is probably scum, but I'm not sure about stardust.
Vote: Wessel
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I'll pass on a massclaim. Thanks for ending the day yesterday before I could even post, by the way. Don't do that again.
Zionite is clear as far as I'm concerned, so scum points to Seppel for trying to insinuate he might not be. His logic for claiming to seal an already-sinking Caex's lynch may not have been the strongest but that's not what's in question here.
Wessel is a possibility but considering the main point I had on him (his sanguine responses to wagons on Xyre/Zionite/DRey and his panic when Cyouni was put on the block) no longer makes sense considering all four of the named players are or very much appear to be town, I'll have to rethink him.
DYH would be my top suspect at the moment, followed by Seppel. Both experienced players who have done comparatively little in this game and I have not liked either of their unwieldy and inaccurate meta arguments against myself. WoLG and Zionite are my top townies.
Zionite is clear as far as I'm concerned, so scum points to Seppel for trying to insinuate he might not be. His logic for claiming to seal an already-sinking Caex's lynch may not have been the strongest but that's not what's in question here.
You don't see an issue with Zionite pushing Caex to L-1 before he could out the 'jailer'? Then do tell, what is in question here?
DYH would be my top suspect at the moment, followed by Seppel. Both experienced players who have done comparatively little in this game and I have not liked either of their unwieldy and inaccurate meta arguments against myself. WoLG and Zionite are my top townies.
I've been contributing a lot. I derailed a Xyre lynch. I haven't been trolling you. I've actually read the game. What have you done?
It's been two game days, so I'll ask again: When have you ever seen a scum governor?
Isn't this what you jumped on DRey for at the beginning of Day 2?
I'm against a massclaim.
I'd assumed Zionite was lying about being a cop, especially given his timing with the claim (completely unnecessary), but him being 1-shot makes a lot more sense. I'll have to put a case together sometime toDay, see if it still makes sense in light of his claim. Zionite as town confirming zindabad pretty much flips my list upside down.
* Scum apparently have falseclaims. Potentially have false-ability-claims too.
* I want a massclaim. It should have happened yesterday.
The above point makes me not want to massclaim. However, if we're going to do a massclaim anyway, I first want everyone to nameclaim, and then when everyone's done that, to fully claim all their abilities and flavour.
I'm surprised I'm alive. But it was more important to get my result out than it was to hide my claim again.
I only had one shot. I contemplated falseclaiming a guilty on Wessel, but I don't see the point in it since the risks outweigh the rewards. I'm fairly certain from Day 1 analysis that Caex's buddies are Wessel and Stardust.
The fact that DRey and not you or your investigation target zindabad was NK'd, doesn't make you think about things?
Not really. It's a total unknown and will remain so. It could be that the scum only can kill at random, or some other WIFOM. Either way, it doesn't change my reads.
Wessel is a possibility but considering the main point I had on him (his sanguine responses to wagons on Xyre/Zionite/DRey and his panic when Cyouni was put on the block) no longer makes sense considering all four of the named players are or very much appear to be town, I'll have to rethink him.
I'd go re-read the Caex wagon, claim, and fizzle. It indicates Wessel and Stardust as scum in my read. I don't have time to illustrate it now.
Zionite is clear as far as I'm concerned, so scum points to Seppel for trying to insinuate he might not be. His logic for claiming to seal an already-sinking Caex's lynch may not have been the strongest but that's not what's in question here.
You don't see an issue with Zionite pushing Caex to L-1 before he could out the 'jailer'? Then do tell, what is in question here?
I don't see what we will learn from a massclaim if the scum have false claims. Seems like busting the game open for them for no reason.
I'm fairly certain that Caex's buddy is the jailer; no town player would jail the unCC'd cop, and scum buddies have an interest in protecting Caex from a kill. Thus, the jailer would have never been outed.
OK, so Zionite's play makes tons more sense being a 1-shot cop - trying to draw the NK with his claim. Also, kudos to DRey for claiming a second shot he didn't have.
Secondly, a mass-claim is the right play here. The "protective role" Voxx is so worried about outing is very clearly not playing for the town. Unless you think DRey lied about trying to shoot Caex, too. I don't.
Thirdly, Seppel's continued defense of me via my role (the questions about scum governor to Zindabad) - which I never explicitly stated, DRey assumed what it is - has me wary of him.
So much so, that he's moved to the top of my suspect list along with Voxx. Wessel is a distant third at this point.
I'd assumed Zionite was lying about being a cop, especially given his timing with the claim (completely unnecessary), but him being 1-shot makes a lot more sense. I'll have to put a case together sometime toDay, see if it still makes sense in light of his claim. Zionite as town confirming zindabad pretty much flips my list upside down.
OK, you say it makes sense (Zionite being 1-shot), but then you say you have to put a case together to see if it still makes sense in light of his claim? How exactly did it make "a lot more sense" if you're not sure it makes sense? See what I'm getting at here?
I just don't see the point of claiming more than I already have; it doesn't serve any purpose other than giving the scum information, the town knows I'm town.
@Wessel: I don't care who the scum kill or why, because to ask the question invites fallacious logic. If I begin to ask why, then I'll start formulating conclusions around an assumption that's probably wrong. What I do know is how you interacted with the Caex wagon on Day 1 and didn't like what I saw, and ditto for Stardust.
I'd assumed Zionite was lying about being a cop, especially given his timing with the claim (completely unnecessary), but him being 1-shot makes a lot more sense. I'll have to put a case together sometime toDay, see if it still makes sense in light of his claim. Zionite as town confirming zindabad pretty much flips my list upside down.
OK, you say it makes sense (Zionite being 1-shot), but then you say you have to put a case together to see if it still makes sense in light of his claim? How exactly did it make "a lot more sense" if you're not sure it makes sense? See what I'm getting at here?
I can't see a townie claiming cop in that situation. Except that now he's claiming 1-shot. A townie could definitely do that to try to draw the kill.
Zionite's been my one-true-scum forever and it just keeps getting more entrenched. Before I do anything else today I want to make a case, see if it still works. If my case falls apart or just feels wrong in light of this new info, then he's probably town. If I still think he's scum, then I'll continue thinking he's scum. Zionite as town flips this game upside down as far as I'm concerned, so this is pretty important for me to get right.
I just don't see the point of claiming more than I already have; it doesn't serve any purpose other than giving the scum information, the town knows I'm town.
On the other hand, there's one thing that I will leave unmentioned for now which makes me think Seppel is town. It happened yesterDay. Wessel points to anyone seeing what I'm seeing.
Why leave it unmentioned? Trusting Seppel or not is one of the biggest questions I wrestle with in these games.
Also, why did DRey think you had something to do with his roleblock Night 1?
Who said anything about roleblocks?
DRey got a PM explaining his failed kill that he never elaborated on. He figured Caex was untargetable, but he wasn't, so I'm assuming DRey was roleblocked. I guess a mafia jailer works too, but that hadn't occurred to me.
Isn't this what you jumped on DRey for at the beginning of Day 2?
Your point being...?
Also, not insignificantly, there's a difference between the two.
My point being that you were pushing weak (and apparently hypocritical) reasons against a townie. I'm not going to call you on the same thing, but I wanted to highlight this interaction with Seppel. I need to figure stuff out yet, but I've been tossing around the idea of a Wessel/Seppel scum team if Zionite ends up being town.
Also, not insignificantly, there's a difference between the two.
My point being that you were pushing weak (and apparently hypocritical) reasons against a townie. I'm not going to call you on the same thing, but I wanted to highlight this interaction with Seppel. I need to figure stuff out yet, but I've been tossing around the idea of a Wessel/Seppel scum team if Zionite ends up being town.[/QUOTE]
I wanted him to out a scumbuddy before he died. Those are the opportunities you dream for when a mafiate is exposed.
So you believe there's a mafia jailer?
What? No.
I don't have any idea if there's a mafia jailer. I'm just certain that anyone who claimed to corroborate Caex's story would be mafia.
Given that Caex claimed to be unroleblockable, it would make sense for a town jailer to target him. If he's mafia and lying, then you roleblock mafia. If he's town it doesn't matter because he's unroleblockable. Basically, I don't believe what you just said is true.
You've got my attention with your case on Zionite, though. I'd be willing to vote Zionite or Stardust, along with Xyre obviously.
Caex, I don't like this. Setting yourself up to vote for the biggest wagon is bad. So I looked into you in more detail. Before I share that detail and what it means to me, I'd like you to spell out your case on me please. I feel like you tossed my name in there as an easy mislynch given that I'm fairly new and also notoriously scummy as town (ie: I'm bound to "slip" eventually).
Looool this is a bad post. I'm not "setting myself up" to vote the biggest wagon. I'm saying I will happily vote the biggest wagon (when the RVS votes are gone). He's the biggest wagon for a reason, you know. Pardon me if I'm interested in voting for scummy players.
As for you: I don't really have a "case" on you. But my gut reaction to your posts is that they're scummy. And my gut has proven pretty accurate in my recent games.
You pre-emptively proclaiming you'll be acting scummy and will scumslip at some point isn't making me feel any better about you, btw.
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@Zionite: I'll get around to answering your question sometime today.
This post feels a lot like putting the cart before the horse. You're acting indignant about being criticized for wanting to vote for "scummy players", yet you've so far given a single debunked reason for doing so, aside from it's "the biggest wagon" (argumentum ad populum). Then you promise that the explanation for this behavior will come later.
I'm liking Caex for a lynch more and more.
Well that's not exactly the reaction I expected. I'll have to think about what that OMGUS vote means here... Also, "biggest wagon" there was referring to any wagon that happens to build up, not Zionite in particular. You handwaved a reason to vote for any other three people, two of which were under pressure (both of whom I'm generally reading as town) and one that could be an easy mislynch (me).
As for my slips, you played with me in Giant Robots. You know this is true. I'm trying my best to comb through my posts here since it got us badly off track at times in that game, but using that as a basis for your vote is a non reason.
Anyway, I'd gone through your old posts and pegged you as leaning town actually based on your voting patterns. But now that you've followed your "gut" into a nervous vote, I'm not so sure considering there's a solid scum mindset behind that move. I'll mull it over to make sure I'm not being influenced by my own reaction to your vote. Stay tuned.
You've got my attention with your case on Zionite, though. I'd be willing to vote Zionite or Stardust, along with Xyre obviously.
Caex, I don't like this. Setting yourself up to vote for the biggest wagon is bad. So I looked into you in more detail. Before I share that detail and what it means to me, I'd like you to spell out your case on me please. I feel like you tossed my name in there as an easy mislynch given that I'm fairly new and also notoriously scummy as town (ie: I'm bound to "slip" eventually).
Looool this is a bad post. I'm not "setting myself up" to vote the biggest wagon. I'm saying I will happily vote the biggest wagon (when the RVS votes are gone). He's the biggest wagon for a reason, you know. Pardon me if I'm interested in voting for scummy players.
As for you: I don't really have a "case" on you. But my gut reaction to your posts is that they're scummy. And my gut has proven pretty accurate in my recent games.
You pre-emptively proclaiming you'll be acting scummy and will scumslip at some point isn't making me feel any better about you, btw.
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@Zionite: I'll get around to answering your question sometime today.
What games have you seen scumStardust? I have yet to play with a scumStardust. How does it differ from a townStardust?
Looool this is a bad post. I'm not "setting myself up" to vote the biggest wagon. I'm saying I will happily vote the biggest wagon (when the RVS votes are gone). He's the biggest wagon for a reason, you know. Pardon me if I'm interested in voting for scummy players.
As for you: I don't really have a "case" on you. But my gut reaction to your posts is that they're scummy. And my gut has proven pretty accurate in my recent games.
You pre-emptively proclaiming you'll be acting scummy and will scumslip at some point isn't making me feel any better about you, btw.
Well that's not exactly the reaction I expected. I'll have to think about what that OMGUS vote means here... Also, "biggest wagon" there was referring to any wagon that happens to build up, not Zionite in particular. You handwaved a reason to vote for any other three people, two of which were under pressure (both of whom I'm generally reading as town) and one that could be an easy mislynch (me).
As for my slips, you played with me in Giant Robots. You know this is true. I'm trying my best to comb through my posts here since it got us badly off track at times in that game, but using that as a basis for your vote is a non reason.
Anyway, I'd gone through your old posts and pegged you as leaning town actually based on your voting patterns. But now that you've followed your "gut" into a nervous vote, I'm not so sure considering there's a solid scum mindset behind that move. I'll mull it over to make sure I'm not being influenced by my own reaction to your vote. Stay tuned.
Fellow Giant Robot player checking in. I support the fact that Stardust slipped left and right. It made it so hard to believe he was town.
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I wanted him to out a scumbuddy before he died. Those are the opportunities you dream for when a mafiate is exposed.
So you believe there's a mafia jailer?
What? No.
I don't have any idea if there's a mafia jailer. I'm just certain that anyone who claimed to corroborate Caex's story would be mafia.
Given that Caex claimed to be unroleblockable, it would make sense for a town jailer to target him. If he's mafia and lying, then you roleblock mafia. If he's town it doesn't matter because he's unroleblockable. Basically, I don't believe what you just said is true.
Out the jailer.
Caex needs to die, but no reason to speed through today.
I'm still liking Voxx as scum, and either Wessel or Zionite.
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I think Caex may just be a godfather, the untargetable type.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
To be fair, the fact that flavor was used against him at all is suspect. I was actually quite pissed that he got lynched for that. This was my comment to Iso as soon as I got off work and read that Cyouni had been strung up in a few short hours:
"Seppel started the Cyouni wagon completely based on the principle that giving the extra vote was optional. I really wish I could have been on to post: "As a town role, if you're tracking someone, you pretty much think their scum, so you'd want to not give the scum an extra vote."
That whole BS about false claiming Gandalf because he was in the flavor post is ridiculous. Especially since Asian has a history of putting characters in the flavor posts. Also...how many main characters can we really exclude from being in the game? It's highly unlikely that a scum would false claim Gandalf, and I doubt Gandalf would be any type of scum role.
I really wanted that second vote."
Also, to point out something else horribly scummy about caex:
"aex not getting involved in the Cyouni wagon raises a bit of a red flag with his EBWODP hammer. That reads like scum distancing himself from a townie lynch, then trying to set up a false dichotomy "If Cyouni flips town, Xyre is almost certainly scum."
I really don't see why Caex wouldn't want to give us the extra 24 hours. I had so much more stuff to post, and Cyouni couldn't even really defend himself from the garbage logic that his role "has to be scumzorz""
I'm perfectly happy with lynching Caex. If I could vote him twice (Which I should have been able to if y'all didn't lynch Cyouni) I would.
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@DRey: A townie jailor would do that because it wouldn't work if Caex was telling the truth (and ergo not scum). I do share your opinion about the untargetability, however. I believe that's the actual role.
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Good on you for shooting correctly; bummer it didn't work.
LOL
WoLG confirmed town.
Zindabad confirmed town.
I'm the real cop. This is an official CC. This is why I was so adamant about lynching him yesterday.
Vote Caex
Vote: Caex Kothar
I wasn't kidding about WoLG being the neutral. Look at how Iso jumped on me for mentioning a neutral (not even the neutral in this game). He's overdefensive and wanted to cut down any neutral discussion before it got started.
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Iso wanted me to point out that he caught you from your first post in the game. We should of lynched you yesterday.
Who are your scumbuddies, Caex?
@Zion: That claim explains some of your behavior yesterday and why you were so exasperated with the rest of us for not lynching him. But one thing I'm confused about: Caex was getting lynched today with or without you claiming, so why out yourself?
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1. Cop!Zionite, which means scum is most likely in the Seppel/Wessel/Stardust cluster, with Drey/DYH possibilities if they don't/can't confirm roles.
2. Scum!Zionite counter-claiming his buddy needlessly for town credit, when he'd have been the lynch regardless.
1 is much more likely and matches Zionite's behavior from Day One. Just sort of makes me laugh given the insistence on solving the 'dichotomy' that ended up not existing - as we actually do have a cop, watcher, and tracker in that world.
Going to re-read this in depth now that I have some flips, but initial reaction is that this makes Wessel almost certain scum.
@Voxx: Well, I won't be proving my ability today, lol.
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@Seppel, what did you do to me last night?
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I think my preference would have been to lynch Wessel, and you prove the ability to redirect onto Caex, but not end of world.
Also would have preferred Zionite staying quiet and trying to sneak another check in, but if he's legit, he was being fairly blatant on D1, and was a high risk kill tonight after Caex lynch - so revealing the Zindabad innocent wasn't a terrible move I guess.
Quick reads-ish list before the re-read/vote analysis with flips:
Voxxicus
Cyouni
Xyre
Zionite
Zindabad
WellOfLostGnomes
Drey
DYH
Stardust
Seppel
Wessel
Caex
Reads should be pretty intuitive - it's operating off of the world that Zionite is town.
Caex/Wessel/Seppel is my scumteam if there's a gun to my head, but that's without checking previous interactions and looking at updated vote tallies. It feels right though, with Wessel's terrible posts near end of yesterday, and Seppel's choice of targets so far.
I haven't liked Drey or DYH's play much, but the claims make them slightly less likely to be scum. Don't like Drey supposedly lying about claim, but eh.
DYH's role is also provable, even if not quite as guaranteed to be townsided as a vig.
Day Two Final Vote Count
Caex Kothar (6): DRey, Wessel, WellOfLostGnomes, Seppel, Zionite, Caex Kothar
Not Voting (4): DYH, Stardust, Voxxicus, zindabad
It did not take long for the dwarvish party to hunt down the orcs. They had set up camp at Weathertop, a tactically shrewd location due to its elevation. The dwarves were fearsome in their fury. They hacked and slashed at the orcish party, cutting down several where they stood. Caex Kothar began to panic as he saw his gang slaughtered, running for his warg in an attempt to outdistance his attackers. In his haste, he clumsily slipped on a loose stone and fell on his own blade.
Bilbo looked upon Caex Kothar's gruesome corpse with a mixture of disgust and pity. For the briefest of moments, Bilbo felt as though someone had placed a firm, yet reassuring hand on his shoulders.
Caex Kothar has been lynched.
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The dwarvish party had made camp at the abandoned Weathertop. While several were uneasy with staying where their enemy had stayed, the others reassured them that holding the high ground would be strategically correct. One even scoffed that the orcs dare not return after the walloping they had just received. The glares of the others soon put him in his place. They had already lost too much.
The sound of a metallic clash startled the lookout, who quickly woke the others. The orcs had come back after all. But who was fighting? They soon realized that DRey was not among them. By the time they came upon him, the dwarven lord had breathed his last. This was too much for the dwarves to bear, and they could no longer hold back the tears that had been welling up for Days. Deep within his hiccup-ravaged throat, Bilbo felt a fire stir. He was tired of running. Tired of hiding. He wanted to strike back. He wanted the orcs to pay. And pay they would.
DRey has been killed.
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With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
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I need to go to bed, but here's some quick points and reminders for me:
* Scum apparently have falseclaims. Potentially have false-ability-claims too.
* I want a massclaim. It should have happened yesterday.
* @Mod: Please update the first page.
* I don't like that Zionite came out as a cop CC and pushed Caex to L-1 for a quicklynch before we could do anything. I have more to say about this, but massclaim first.
* One or two other things contingent on what comes out during a massclaim.
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I only had one shot. I contemplated falseclaiming a guilty on Wessel, but I don't see the point in it since the risks outweigh the rewards. I'm fairly certain from Day 1 analysis that Caex's buddies are Wessel and Stardust.
Iso is glad you agree with his analysis. I'm also of a mind that Wessel is probably scum, but I'm not sure about stardust.
Vote: Wessel
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Zionite is clear as far as I'm concerned, so scum points to Seppel for trying to insinuate he might not be. His logic for claiming to seal an already-sinking Caex's lynch may not have been the strongest but that's not what's in question here.
Wessel is a possibility but considering the main point I had on him (his sanguine responses to wagons on Xyre/Zionite/DRey and his panic when Cyouni was put on the block) no longer makes sense considering all four of the named players are or very much appear to be town, I'll have to rethink him.
DYH would be my top suspect at the moment, followed by Seppel. Both experienced players who have done comparatively little in this game and I have not liked either of their unwieldy and inaccurate meta arguments against myself. WoLG and Zionite are my top townies.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
You don't see an issue with Zionite pushing Caex to L-1 before he could out the 'jailer'? Then do tell, what is in question here?
I've been contributing a lot. I derailed a Xyre lynch. I haven't been trolling you. I've actually read the game. What have you done?
It's been two game days, so I'll ask again: When have you ever seen a scum governor?
Also, why did DRey think you had something to do with his roleblock Night 1?
Isn't this what you jumped on DRey for at the beginning of Day 2?
I'm against a massclaim.
I'd assumed Zionite was lying about being a cop, especially given his timing with the claim (completely unnecessary), but him being 1-shot makes a lot more sense. I'll have to put a case together sometime toDay, see if it still makes sense in light of his claim. Zionite as town confirming zindabad pretty much flips my list upside down.
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Not really. It's a total unknown and will remain so. It could be that the scum only can kill at random, or some other WIFOM. Either way, it doesn't change my reads.
I forgot it.
On Day 1 when I knew Caex was scum.
I'd go re-read the Caex wagon, claim, and fizzle. It indicates Wessel and Stardust as scum in my read. I don't have time to illustrate it now.
I don't see what we will learn from a massclaim if the scum have false claims. Seems like busting the game open for them for no reason.
I'm fairly certain that Caex's buddy is the jailer; no town player would jail the unCC'd cop, and scum buddies have an interest in protecting Caex from a kill. Thus, the jailer would have never been outed.
Secondly, a mass-claim is the right play here. The "protective role" Voxx is so worried about outing is very clearly not playing for the town. Unless you think DRey lied about trying to shoot Caex, too. I don't.
Thirdly, Seppel's continued defense of me via my role (the questions about scum governor to Zindabad) - which I never explicitly stated, DRey assumed what it is - has me wary of him.
So much so, that he's moved to the top of my suspect list along with Voxx. Wessel is a distant third at this point.
Vote: Seppel
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OK, you say it makes sense (Zionite being 1-shot), but then you say you have to put a case together to see if it still makes sense in light of his claim? How exactly did it make "a lot more sense" if you're not sure it makes sense? See what I'm getting at here?
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You even said this yesterDay:
Plus there have been twilights.
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I wanted him to out a scumbuddy before he died. Those are the opportunities you dream for when a mafiate is exposed.
Jesus christ people.
I can't see a townie claiming cop in that situation. Except that now he's claiming 1-shot. A townie could definitely do that to try to draw the kill.
Zionite's been my one-true-scum forever and it just keeps getting more entrenched. Before I do anything else today I want to make a case, see if it still works. If my case falls apart or just feels wrong in light of this new info, then he's probably town. If I still think he's scum, then I'll continue thinking he's scum. Zionite as town flips this game upside down as far as I'm concerned, so this is pretty important for me to get right.
Make sense?
So you believe there's a mafia jailer?
No comment on my other question?
Caex mentioned a jailer chat or something. Did anyone get jailed last night? Was Caex telling the truth about that?
Color me very skeptical.
What? No.
I don't have any idea if there's a mafia jailer. I'm just certain that anyone who claimed to corroborate Caex's story would be mafia.
I think a massclaim would be better.
Something is up, but I don't know what.
Why leave it unmentioned? Trusting Seppel or not is one of the biggest questions I wrestle with in these games.
Because it felt overtly scummy. Like asking a scum buddy to out a PR before he dies.
DRey got a PM explaining his failed kill that he never elaborated on. He figured Caex was untargetable, but he wasn't, so I'm assuming DRey was roleblocked. I guess a mafia jailer works too, but that hadn't occurred to me.
My point being that you were pushing weak (and apparently hypocritical) reasons against a townie. I'm not going to call you on the same thing, but I wanted to highlight this interaction with Seppel. I need to figure stuff out yet, but I've been tossing around the idea of a Wessel/Seppel scum team if Zionite ends up being town.
That's a terrible defense.
Otherwise, Wessel, you're just jumping on everyone now. This is not the same Wessel as I saw Day 1.
Lining up lynches.
Hmm... now I'm at least interested in a Seppel claim.
You know what, I'll withdraw my vote. If ya'll want to do a massclaim, I'll play along.
Zionite's response:
Stardust's response:
I pointed this out when i replaced in:
What games have you seen scumStardust? I have yet to play with a scumStardust. How does it differ from a townStardust?
Not buying it.
Fellow Giant Robot player checking in. I support the fact that Stardust slipped left and right. It made it so hard to believe he was town.
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God, that was nearly 3 weeks ago.
But it's true.
pr0
Why?
I'll tell you later.