Seppel
Would you please respond to me about why you are using WIFOM to say that Rhand cannot be scum with GMan based on interactions.
Stardust
Seppel believes Tom could be Neutral or Scum. The only thing Seppel does not believe Tom to be is Town. Hence his answer of "Yes." to your question.
Tom
Do you have any stipulations to your Day Kill?
-.- just lost a post. Reconstructing as best as I can, albeit in somewhat more terse manner.
1. Apologies for not being around more. My grandmother fell a few days ago, and between taking care of her and being busy at work, I haven't had much time. If it becomes an issue I'm willing to replace out, but I'd like to try to manage it first.
2. OOG. I keep calling people chuckleheads IRL now. I hate you both, Seppel & Wheat.
3. Seppel wagon is bad. I was wrong about his alignment previously after pursuing him relentlessly for acting exactly as he is right now (Kpaca-lite). If he's scum and acting just like he was as town in that game specifically to get me, well, you got me, and hat's off.
4. Tom's 752 is atrocious. It's very overly-defensive, has a good bit of OMGUS at Seppel (who's the primary driving force attacking him), and the whole post reads as though coming from a guilty conscience. I was like the only person who was unconvinced of Tom's alignment after his Daykill yesterday, and 752 reaffirms my suspicions.
Vote Tom
5. Kosa: stahp with the snoring. You can actually generate content and lead the town because you're confirmed. You're not helping anyone just sitting there.
6. Void vs Rhand is weird. It's like everyone in the game thinks Void is confirmed town except for Void. I don't understand why Void is unwilling to accept this status.
7. Stormblind: you coasted Day 1, and unlike Kosa, you aren't confirmed town. I'm usually content to let people derp around D1 as long as they then provide content D2 (my attitude towards TCM is a good example of this). What are your reads at the moment?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
1) Tom daykilled someone yesterday.
2) Tom will daykill someone today (assuming he's not just flat out lying).
3) The Enchantress killed Guardman last night.
These three things are basically 100% confirmed.
4) A SK having two kills every Day/Night cycle in a 14 player game is not possible.
Feel free to refute that, but I don't see how you could possibly believe that's balanced.
Therefore, Tom can't be the neutral. He can't really be scum either with multiple daykills, so he must be town.
Seppel
Would you please respond to me about why you are using WIFOM to say that Rhand cannot be scum with GMan based on interactions.
I'm not using WIFOM. I'm saying point blank that the interactions between a scumGMan and a scumRhand are impossible.
How are they impossible?
You're tossing out information and expecting everyone to understand what you are saying without explanation. You've been doing this a lot lately and it is rather frustrating to work with. So, Seppel, please explain why.
1) Tom daykilled someone yesterday.
2) Tom will daykill someone today (assuming he's not just flat out lying).
3) The Enchantress killed Guardman last night.
These three things are basically 100% confirmed.
4) A SK having two kills every Day/Night cycle in a 14 player game is not possible.
Feel free to refute that, but I don't see how you could possibly believe that's balanced.
Therefore, Tom can't be the neutral. He can't really be scum either with multiple daykills, so he must be town.
Tom didn't kill Guarman; Asenion did, you chucklehead.
Seppel
Would you please respond to me about why you are using WIFOM to say that Rhand cannot be scum with GMan based on interactions.
I'm not using WIFOM. I'm saying point blank that the interactions between a scumGMan and a scumRhand are impossible.
How are they impossible?
You're tossing out information and expecting everyone to understand what you are saying without explanation. You've been doing this a lot lately and it is rather frustrating to work with. So, Seppel, please explain why.
I see the colors of the air faster than you can count them.
If Seppel doesn't shape up and start playing this game correctly I am going to be calling for a Poilcy Lynch on him. Nothing he is doing, at this stage of the game, can be considered contrsustive or moving the game forward. Not willing to explain why is the biggest point on this.
Yeah. Pretty happy with where my vote is. You're using fear of a neutral to get a town PR lynched. Nevermind that neutral hunting is pretty much scum 101 - especially when that "neutral" has agreed to help the town get additional lynches.
Anyway, my mom's not even in this game unless she made a gimmick account I don't know about.
1) Tom daykilled someone yesterday.
2) Tom will daykill someone today (assuming he's not just flat out lying).
3) The Enchantress killed Guardman last night.
These three things are basically 100% confirmed.
4) A SK having two kills every Day/Night cycle in a 14 player game is not possible.
Feel free to refute that, but I don't see how you could possibly believe that's balanced.
Therefore, Tom can't be the neutral. He can't really be scum either with multiple daykills, so he must be town.
I'm inclined to agree with all 3 of the above facts, however I disagree with #4. Iso has a tendency to fly in the face of traditionally held values for the fun of it. I see no reason why he couldn't have started the setup with the concept of a SK who has one kill per phase, and then tried to evolve/balance the whole setup around that concept. This could delve more into a discussion of design theory, but how would this be any better or worse than having a night-killing SK and a day-vigging town/scum role? Certainly that's where the expectation would be (to have them as separate roles), which would allow the SK to actually have a fighting chance. He would do exactly what Tom has done: claim dayvig, give the town an "extra lynch" D1 for cred, and then pass off his nightactions as the work of the SK.
There's too many things that we don't know to claim that a per-phase SK is impossible. That's not even getting to the possibility that Tom could easily be scum. Your whole argument (he can't be scum with multiple dayvig shots) is based around modgaming and trying to predict what Iso is going to do.
I agree that we need to look at the facts, and I salute your attempt at doing so -- but you extrapolate too far and draw an (IMO) erroneous conclusion.
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Side note: Iso, if the sequel to this isn't named Legend of Chucklehead Mafia, I don't even know what you're doing with your life.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
That's not even getting to the possibility that Tom could easily be scum. Your whole argument (he can't be scum with multiple dayvig shots) is based around modgaming and trying to predict what Iso is going to do.
Perfectly willing to agree there. There is a chance he's scum. Not a very good chance, but sure, a chance. Frankly, as long as he's killing for the town, I don't even care what his alignment is.
However, there is no chance Tom's the SK. The fact that Seppel is trying to paint him as such makes me very suspicious of his motivations. This is so obvious to me that anyone on the Tom wagon is suspect as far as I'm concerned.
Whenever I see "pffftfff" it reminds of 1984 Mafia where I was scum with Iso and Yanni and the three of us all dicked around all game and pulled off a Perfect Victory. Oh good times.
At any rate, Seppel, do you plan on explaining anything or are you just go to sit back and :munch:?
That's not even getting to the possibility that Tom could easily be scum. Your whole argument (he can't be scum with multiple dayvig shots) is based around modgaming and trying to predict what Iso is going to do.
Perfectly willing to agree there. There is a chance he's scum. Not a very good chance, but sure, a chance. Frankly, as long as he's killing for the town, I don't even care what his alignment is.
However, there is no chance Tom's the SK. The fact that Seppel is trying to paint him as such makes me very suspicious of his motivations. This is so obvious to me that anyone on the Tom wagon is suspect as far as I'm concerned.
Why do you there is no chance? Explain how you reached this conclusion.
Yes, absolutely.
I'm unwilling to lynch anyone else today, unless Tom manages to shoot the Enchantress, to whom he has shown no interest in hunting.
**** it. Vote Seppel.
Vote Tom.
Would you please respond to me about why you are using WIFOM to say that Rhand cannot be scum with GMan based on interactions.
Stardust
Seppel believes Tom could be Neutral or Scum. The only thing Seppel does not believe Tom to be is Town. Hence his answer of "Yes." to your question.
Tom
Do you have any stipulations to your Day Kill?
I'm not using WIFOM. I'm saying point blank that the interactions between a scumGMan and a scumRhand are impossible.
Tom is the Enchantress. Lynch Tom.
...and nobody seems to care or believe you and you don't feel like explaining things.
1. Apologies for not being around more. My grandmother fell a few days ago, and between taking care of her and being busy at work, I haven't had much time. If it becomes an issue I'm willing to replace out, but I'd like to try to manage it first.
2. OOG. I keep calling people chuckleheads IRL now. I hate you both, Seppel & Wheat.
3. Seppel wagon is bad. I was wrong about his alignment previously after pursuing him relentlessly for acting exactly as he is right now (Kpaca-lite). If he's scum and acting just like he was as town in that game specifically to get me, well, you got me, and hat's off.
4. Tom's 752 is atrocious. It's very overly-defensive, has a good bit of OMGUS at Seppel (who's the primary driving force attacking him), and the whole post reads as though coming from a guilty conscience. I was like the only person who was unconvinced of Tom's alignment after his Daykill yesterday, and 752 reaffirms my suspicions.
Vote Tom
5. Kosa: stahp with the snoring. You can actually generate content and lead the town because you're confirmed. You're not helping anyone just sitting there.
6. Void vs Rhand is weird. It's like everyone in the game thinks Void is confirmed town except for Void. I don't understand why Void is unwilling to accept this status.
7. Stormblind: you coasted Day 1, and unlike Kosa, you aren't confirmed town. I'm usually content to let people derp around D1 as long as they then provide content D2 (my attitude towards TCM is a good example of this). What are your reads at the moment?
The Most Curious Thing (1): Seppel
Seppel (2): Kosakosa, Stardust
Rhand (1): Void
Tom (1): Arianrhod
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Iso. We love you anyway.
He didn't Unvote
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The Legend of Chucklehead Mafia.
Okay, now let's have a conversation.
1) Tom daykilled someone yesterday.
2) Tom will daykill someone today (assuming he's not just flat out lying).
3) The Enchantress killed Guardman last night.
These three things are basically 100% confirmed.
4) A SK having two kills every Day/Night cycle in a 14 player game is not possible.
Feel free to refute that, but I don't see how you could possibly believe that's balanced.
Therefore, Tom can't be the neutral. He can't really be scum either with multiple daykills, so he must be town.
How are they impossible?
You're tossing out information and expecting everyone to understand what you are saying without explanation. You've been doing this a lot lately and it is rather frustrating to work with. So, Seppel, please explain why.
"you are drugged"
"oh yeah I am"
Tom didn't kill Guarman; Asenion did, you chucklehead.
I see the colors of the air faster than you can count them.
Did you read the kill scene flavour? Who is "SHE"?
Your mom.
Anyway, my mom's not even in this game unless she made a gimmick account I don't know about.
Unvote, Vote: Tom
I want you or voxx lynched. Wessel can live.
After that, come back and tell us who your scum buddies are, okay?
stepping away from the computer for a while
Vote: Seppel
I'm inclined to agree with all 3 of the above facts, however I disagree with #4. Iso has a tendency to fly in the face of traditionally held values for the fun of it. I see no reason why he couldn't have started the setup with the concept of a SK who has one kill per phase, and then tried to evolve/balance the whole setup around that concept. This could delve more into a discussion of design theory, but how would this be any better or worse than having a night-killing SK and a day-vigging town/scum role? Certainly that's where the expectation would be (to have them as separate roles), which would allow the SK to actually have a fighting chance. He would do exactly what Tom has done: claim dayvig, give the town an "extra lynch" D1 for cred, and then pass off his nightactions as the work of the SK.
There's too many things that we don't know to claim that a per-phase SK is impossible. That's not even getting to the possibility that Tom could easily be scum. Your whole argument (he can't be scum with multiple dayvig shots) is based around modgaming and trying to predict what Iso is going to do.
I agree that we need to look at the facts, and I salute your attempt at doing so -- but you extrapolate too far and draw an (IMO) erroneous conclusion.
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Side note: Iso, if the sequel to this isn't named Legend of Chucklehead Mafia, I don't even know what you're doing with your life.
I can't stop laughing.
The sequel is Pirates Mafia.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
800TH POST EVERYONE DIES GG
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My vote is not moving until Seppel straightens out or gets lynched. Which ever comes first.
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Perfectly willing to agree there. There is a chance he's scum. Not a very good chance, but sure, a chance. Frankly, as long as he's killing for the town, I don't even care what his alignment is.
However, there is no chance Tom's the SK. The fact that Seppel is trying to paint him as such makes me very suspicious of his motivations. This is so obvious to me that anyone on the Tom wagon is suspect as far as I'm concerned.
At any rate, Seppel, do you plan on explaining anything or are you just go to sit back and :munch:?
Why do you there is no chance? Explain how you reached this conclusion.
#270, 3rd paragraph. Stardust also notices after the first quote in #310.
Answer the rest now?
No no, after you. I'm a polite guy.
What a naive thing to say. I thought you were experienced?
Wtf is an enchantress. Mafiascum wiki yields no results.
Because Void is scum.
What does the "whatever" mean in the post where you vote me?