Void's vote has somehow been moved from me to Macius. This supports my town reads on Void and Macius. It looks like a scum is trying to use a town vote to 1) make the voted person appear scum, 2) add votes on a town, and 3) make a town look scummy for voting a town.
2) The wording you have used your words to talk about Macius shows that you know Macius Town. "A Town"
3) Once again you referring to Macius being Town without an "if, and or but" applied. "A Town"
Funny how, following your logic, he also refers twice to you being Town in my bolded emphasis. Yet, you only acknowledge Macius as Town, but not you.
Good to know you aren't Town.
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Vote Void
I'm betting on Void, Asenion and Stormblind as the scumteam.
He didn't refer to you being town.
And the "lie" was Void telling the truth from what is going on in his head.
This is bull, as town you're already a prime NK target for being a good player. If you have some sort of self-protection as you breadcrumbed and really wanted to be NK'ed, you wouldn't have breadcrumbed it. Stop doing this.
I don't remember you "knowing" that I was scum at all. Furthermore, I'm scum but you don't place your vote on my wagon because...? Oh yeah, to wait until it gets enough steam. Let's play the sit-on-the-fence game!
I don't think that means what you think it means. I wasn't sitting on the fence. You were really scummy. Like, really scummy. It got bad once I convinced myself that Void was town. Your actions towards him early on were horrible. The "slip", as weak as it was, was another step towards that, then you just got disinterested in the whole thing (makes sense now, but it's still lazy - you should have engaged people to at least generate some useable content) while at the same time giving me the feeling that you were buddying up with Void. You were scum.
Please point it out to me where you have expressed suspicions of me being scum before Void started my wagon.
There are times when I don't even know what is going on in my head.
However, I don't play when There are times when I simply don't remember what I posted prior and get lazy in not looking back. It has bitten me in the ass more times than I can remember.
Stardust
Why are you keeping track of Tom's activity? What is your currect read on Tom?
Okay. So let's lynch Asenion instead. Rhand's doing it, so I may as well. Vote: Asenion.
Welcome to the game, W_G! You're probably scum, but that's not really your fault.
Looking back at this post and my recent comment about KK and Asenion really puts your post and vote into a negative light.
Since KK is confirmed town and Asenion made the same mistake he did, you still believe Asenion to be scum? Maybe I am reading the KK/Asenion wrong (I doubt it), but this lends support that Asenion to be Town aligned as well.
I'm alive but busy, I have big tests next week so I need to study. I'll try to post stuff in the next few days but I won't be able to give real content until after a reread which I don't have time for right now.
so for some reason I decided to watch the 90's animated series Gargoyles I've never seen this show before but it was the "cool" show to watch back then and **** the po-lice
like any epic story we start in the middle (episode 12 which isn't exactly the middle) and just guess at what's going on
nothing in that enite pisode made xanatos look like a bad guy
but I know he is because I've read TVTropes
it's like the entire Star Trek TNG cast voiced this show
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So my read on Seppel is as follows: Damn Seppel and his Seppel-ness.
@Seppel: Does that mean something, or are you just posting stuff?
I believe he is running a Xanatos gambit.
All according to plan.
None of my teammates will quit as long as they can still draw a breath. Me? I've got a different problem. I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard, always taking constant care not to break a game, to lynch town. Never allowing myself to lose control even for a moment, or someone could be killed. But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I really am.
None of my teammates will quit as long as they can still draw a breath. Me? I've got a different problem. I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard, always taking constant care not to break a game, to lynch town. Never allowing myself to lose control even for a moment, or someone could be killed. But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I really am.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
[COLOR=DarkOliveGreen][B]So my read on Seppel is as follows: Damn Seppel and his Seppel-ness.
@Seppel: Does that mean something, or are you just posting stuff?[/B][/COLOR]
I believe he is running a Xanatos gambit.[/COLOR]
All according to plan.
None of my teammates will quit as long as they can still draw a breath. Me? I've got a different problem. I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard, always taking constant care not to break a game, to lynch town. Never allowing myself to lose control even for a moment, or someone could be killed. But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I really am.[/B][/COLOR]
Macius, is your response here suppose to be a quote from a Book/Movie?
[COLOR=DarkOliveGreen][B]So my read on Seppel is as follows: Damn Seppel and his Seppel-ness.
@Seppel: Does that mean something, or are you just posting stuff?[/B][/COLOR]
I believe he is running a Xanatos gambit.[/COLOR]
All according to plan.
None of my teammates will quit as long as they can still draw a breath. Me? I've got a different problem. I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard, always taking constant care not to break a game, to lynch town. Never allowing myself to lose control even for a moment, or someone could be killed. But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I really am.[/B][/COLOR]
Macius, is your response here suppose to be a quote from a Book/Movie?
Stardust
Why are you keeping track of Tom's activity? What is your currect read on Tom?
I'm not keeping track. I was reading back for other reasons and realised he hadn't posted since Seppel came into the game. In particular, I'm interested in seeing his response to Seppel's read on him as SK.
As for my read, he's claimed to be a multishot dayvig... so town until proven otherwise, basically. His posts haven't felt especially townie (nor scummy), though I'd have to do a reread to pinpoint exactly why and where.
Looking back at this post and my recent comment about KK and Asenion really puts your post and vote into a negative light.
Since KK is confirmed town and Asenion made the same mistake he did, you still believe Asenion to be scum? Maybe I am reading the KK/Asenion wrong (I doubt it), but this lends support that Asenion to be Town aligned as well.
No, all it shows is that your catch was pretty weak on its own. It was just another nail in the coffin for my read on both those guys. I've been reading Asenion as scum since pretty early in the game. The fact that your catch is now proven to be weak doesn't change that.
Asenion: do you have any scum reads right now? I'm doing a reread and while you've been defending basically everyone, you haven't any accusations. Can you elaborate?
[COLOR=DarkOliveGreen][B]So my read on Seppel is as follows: Damn Seppel and his Seppel-ness.
@Seppel: Does that mean something, or are you just posting stuff?[/B][/COLOR]
I believe he is running a Xanatos gambit.[/COLOR]
All according to plan.
None of my teammates will quit as long as they can still draw a breath. Me? I've got a different problem. I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard, always taking constant care not to break a game, to lynch town. Never allowing myself to lose control even for a moment, or someone could be killed. But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I really am.[/B][/COLOR]
Macius, is your response here suppose to be a quote from a Book/Movie?
@Arianrhod: I HAVE accused both Stormblind and Kosa^2.
I finished the first part of my re-read and have more opinions now.
I want to start by asking Kosa to step it up. As our resident confirmed town players, Kosa has a great chance to lead the town with strong views from a town mindset. Fishing for role information (which he's done twice) and attacking players recklessly, are both unhelpful for the town. Please Kosa, post your opinions and try to back them up. You automatically have the ear of everyone in the Town and the ire of all of the Mafia. Use that to our benefit.
In this Day 1 we already have 2 confirmed Town players (Kosa + Swishh) and 1 pseudo-confirmed not-scum player. (Tom) By rereading those players and their perspectives, a lot can be gained. I found a lot of interesting posts with this new information. Start with the wagon analysis:
The Swish wagon had the following people on it:
TMCT
Arianrhod Void (Couldn't actually move his vote.)
Jonpike1 (Now WG) Tom (Performed a Daykill.)
Swishh believed TMCT to be scum. Always respect the voice of the confirmed Town, even if they are dead. I looked into TMCT a bit more from that. (More on that later.) In addition, I find Void's attempted presence on this wagon somewhat scummy.
Swishh's last content post was here: #197 and should be re-read by everyone.
To answer Seppel's question, here are my reads on the 3 people he asked about:
Guardman: Consistent mindset, but mostly a non-entity. His only real content is to do with Macius, and I have no interest in that wagon. Leaning town right now, but I would like to see more opinions on more players from Guardman.
Jonpike1: Absolutely newb read. I think his intentions seemed townie, although he really wasn't contributing much. It's so hard to read newbs because they are chaotic and undeveloped. I hope to get a better read as WG posts, but also leaning town at the moment.
TMCT: I think he's scum frankly. He's been playing very careful and it's clear that he knows what he is doing, but I also seem him on the wrong wagons. TMCT is staying just below the radar while producing enough content to not be lurking. He's playing nearly perfectlyl without actually contributing significantly to the scumhunting. He compliments people and stats that they seem town when they seem to doubt him. He comments on everything that happens but doesn't have super strong opinions about it. He doesn't fence-sit or waffle in his votes, but he doesn't press wagons himself either. It's exactly what I look out for from experienced players that are scum.
Stormblind: This is my more primary scum target though, especially considering how obviousscum he is. StormBlind has not had an opinion all game that wasn't related to roll information. It's literally all he talks about. He doesn't scum hunt. He doesn't examine wagons. He doesn't analyze behavior. He only talks about people's roles and decides their alignment based on whether their role is town or scum normally. This is clear scum mindset because he wants to have opinions and scumhunt, but doesn't know how to use behavior when he already knows who the scum are. So instead, he is trying to build cases from role information to not out his scumbuddies or reveal how obvious he is being. Here's his only post that provides anything close to content without role information: 356. And even in this post, it's almost all about "well his role is traditionally town so he's town, and his role seems more useful for scum so he's scum." In addition, Stormblind has been pushing for people to claim and info dump. He doesn't even care who claims or gets run up as long as they give him more role information to pretend to dissect. Check here: #103 where he votes just because he thinks it will put someone to L-2 and then corrects himself to vote the other person when he realizes what the vote count is. Literally proof that he had no opinion on the lynch and just wanted role info.
Vote Stormblind
P.S. The Kosa wagon also needs to be analyzed more closely, and I didn't have time to do that today. I only reviewed up to ~#350. I also find that I am reversing my opinion on Void. I initially thought he was town because he seemed to be scumhunting and because he is so clearly and adamantly wrong about everything that he couldn't be scum. However, he has forced multiple to claim, keeps jumping on the low hanging fruit, and has been consistently on all the wrong wagons. I'm not sure now whether Void is really that bad of a player, or whether he's scum.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Can we please lynch Asenion now? That post is awful.
He does nothing to illistrate how is read on me is changing. It's simply "the vote on swishh is now scummy" and therefore Void is either a "bad player" or scum.
There is also that waffle in there as well.
All of this while he is under pressure. He even tries to deflect his own wagon to StormBlind.
You've been playing badly all game. I was excusing it because I thought there was a town mindset behind it. However, re-reading with the knowledge of 2-3 player's alignments changed my mind.
Where did I waffle? Also, I've been after Stormblind since before the Kosa wagon.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
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- If Macius is town, I think Asenion is scum. I'll be watching him.
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- Kosakosa may be scum, especially if Void is not scum.
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It's not about being lazy, I just wanted to know what exact part of your post you considered to be expressions of suspicions.
There's two things that bother me on that post, though:
The first one is that when you called me scum, you said: "So Kosakosa's scum, but I knew that already." You state it like a truth: you knew it already. But in your previously expressed suspicion, you state that I *may* be scum, especially if Void isn't. Even if Void's claim made you believe he's town, that wouldn't make me confirmed scum as you imply I am in the post you voted me, so there's a discrepancy in what you said.
The second one, which actually bothers me the most, is related to your reads. In the post you've quoted, you state your reads on some players:
Asenion supports swishh's lynch (though no vote yet) even though he has no read. If swishh flips town at any point, this post will look pretty bad.
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- I think there's a decent chance Macius is town since his explanations felt earnest, if stupid. He needs to post more. I also agree that he should not use his ability tonight.
- If Macius is town, I think Asenion is scum. I'll be watching him.
- Void is conflicted. Town tells and scum tells mixing together. I'm really liking him as a SK more than anything.
- Tom is... town.
- StormBlind felt quite off until I caught what I consider a town tell, weak though it may be.
- Kosakosa may be scum, especially if Void is not scum.
- Guardman I need to reread.
Bold is my emphasis. I don't like the way you post those reads, mostly linking the possibility of someone to be scum based on another player flipping blue. This looks like a preemptive excuse to jump on players whenever their correlated read flips town, and smells like you trying to set up consecutive chain-mislynches.
You also clear Void based on swishh flipping Town but votes him in the same post because "you'd like to see his claim":
The first one is that when you called me scum, you said: "So Kosakosa's scum, but I knew that already." You state it like a truth: you knew it already. But in your previously expressed suspicion, you state that I *may* be scum, especially if Void isn't. Even if Void's claim made you believe he's town, that wouldn't make me confirmed scum as you imply I am in the post you voted me, so there's a discrepancy in what you said.
A lot had happened since the last time I had mentioned you. It was now a fair bit more than a "may", and that confidence showed. Obviously you were never confirmed scum, but I like talking in certainties now and then. I feel like that gives more importance and pressure to a case, pressure that you completely folded under. It makes sense now why you folded, but at the time... yeah.
The second one, which actually bothers me the most, is related to your reads. In the post you've quoted, you state your reads on some players:
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I don't like the way you post those reads, mostly linking the possibility of someone to be scum based on another player flipping blue. This looks like a preemptive excuse to jump on players whenever their correlated read flips town, and smells like you trying to set up consecutive chain-mislynches.
All I can say on that is that everyone is connected. I like to put what connections I see out in the open so that later, once we do start getting some flips, it's easier for me to read over my own post to start searching for interactions. If that lines up with other behaviour, I'll push a case. But it's just one tell and not enough to justify a vote on its own.
You also clear Void based on swishh flipping Town but votes him in the same post because "you'd like to see his claim":
That didn't clear Void. It felt too aggressive for scum, but that's one tell among many. Anyway, what I actually concluded about Void was "Void is conflicted. Town tells and scum tells mixing together. I'm really liking him as a SK more than anything," (which you quoted above). I wanted to see his claim because Void felt very off in certain posts and because I suspected a neutral. I felt like the claim was going to help a lot to determine his alignment. If he'd claimed vig, I would have pushed for the lynch right there.
Anyway, this should prove to you just how much I value these interactions. I'm not looking for chain lynches, I'm looking for small tells that line up with others. In Void's case here, that one tell wasn't enough for me to stop suspecting him.
Can we please lynch Asenion now? That post is awful.
He does nothing to illistrate how is read on me is changing. It's simply "the vote on swishh is now scummy" and therefore Void is either a "bad player" or scum.
There is also that waffle in there as well.
All of this while he is under pressure. He even tries to deflect his own wagon to StormBlind.
Asenion is very likely to be scum.
Waffling was probably the best point against Asenion, yet you just glossed over it.
* You usually are a bad player or scum. I see nothing wrong with that assessment by Asenion.
* Asenion didn't deflect -- he defended himself, then he listed his reads, then he attacked Stormblind. All too often it's easy for someone on the defense to be accused of either deflecting or just defending. It's a catch-22 and you should know this by now.
I reject your attack on Asenion and substitute it with an attack on TMCT.
Kosa^2 reminded me how shady TMCT has been. I didn't like his answers to me then, but Kosa was being too distracting at the time.
Like I said, I actually think TMCT has been carefully positioning himself just to the side of the game. Not far enough out to be called lurking, but far enough to avoid anything risky. (It's my favorite tactic to use when I'm scum.) I'm ok with lynching him if that wagon gets larger than Stormblind.
Btw Seppel, could you tell me where I am "waffling"? I know Void won't answer, so I'm asking you.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I agree that Macius is probably scum. If he is, Asenion is scum too. And even if he isn't, Asenion is looking more and more as though he's scum regardless. If Macius is town, I'd wager on Tom being scum.
Stormblind I feel might be town. I cannot say more than that.
Rhand feels townie enough, and I'm pretty certain about Void being town.
AR is in this game? AGod (Seppel) was in this game?
TMCT feels town but I'm wary of him after S;G.
Guardman feels like Guardman. Have I ever played a game where you were scum, Guardman?
I have no strong opinions of Stardust.
The other half of my reread will come later today.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso, is the deadline set for May 6 at 12:01 AM or 11:59 PM?
Yes.
(It's set for whenever I wake up and/or get home on May 6th and can post a lynch scene.)
Could we please get that extended to May 7? Or at least hold off until 4 PM on May 6. I rarely post over the weekend and I'm going to be busy for the rest of this week at work. I just want to make sure I'll have a final chance to move my vote if we do run up on the deadline. Thanks.
Here:
He didn't refer to you being town.
And the "lie" was Void telling the truth from what is going on in his head.
And I'll elaborate on D2.
I'll stop on D2.
Please point it out to me where you have expressed suspicions of me being scum before Void started my wagon.
Please point it out to me where you have expressed suspicions of Asenion being scum.
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If Seppel is scum, then they obviously don't have Daychat.
Both those questions have the same answer: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10108529#post10108529
Why do people say things like this? Such useless information.
Please pinpoint it to me.
However, I don't play when
Stardust
Why are you keeping track of Tom's activity? What is your currect read on Tom?
Looking back at this post and my recent comment about KK and Asenion really puts your post and vote into a negative light.
Since KK is confirmed town and Asenion made the same mistake he did, you still believe Asenion to be scum? Maybe I am reading the KK/Asenion wrong (I doubt it), but this lends support that Asenion to be Town aligned as well.
Iso
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like any epic story we start in the middle (episode 12 which isn't exactly the middle) and just guess at what's going on
nothing in that enite pisode made xanatos look like a bad guy
but I know he is because I've read TVTropes
it's like the entire Star Trek TNG cast voiced this show
IS RIKER XANATOS??
WARF IS GOLIATH'S BROTHER???
DIANA TROI IS DEMONA????????
batmanhattan
XANATOS IS SUCH AN ASS
I LOVE HIM
okay I have to stop watching this show
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Seppel: Does that mean something, or are you just posting stuff?
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyI believe he is running a Xanatos gambit.
All according to plan.
Damn Seppel and his Seppel-ness (yes, its a repost, but it really fits my initial thoughts)
None of my teammates will quit as long as they can still draw a breath. Me? I've got a different problem. I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard, always taking constant care not to break a game, to lynch town. Never allowing myself to lose control even for a moment, or someone could be killed. But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I really am.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicySeppel: is your Tom vote real?
1. You are not Superman.
2. I am 75% sure Seppel isn't Darkseid.
Macius (2): Void, Guardman
Void (2): Tom, Macius
Asenion (2): Rhand, Stardust
Stardust (1): Kosakosa
Tom (1): Seppel
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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All according to keikaku.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
1. Bizzaro am not superman
2. Bizzaro pretty sure Seppel not Darkseid.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething Spicyunvote, vote Asenion
First rule of this game: The vote count is Iso incarnate.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My cube: http://cubetutor.com/viewcube/9981
Macius, is your response here suppose to be a quote from a Book/Movie?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorldOfCardboardSpeech
If you're going to be confirmed town, don't be so lazy. It's all in the recap at the bottom.
I'm not keeping track. I was reading back for other reasons and realised he hadn't posted since Seppel came into the game. In particular, I'm interested in seeing his response to Seppel's read on him as SK.
As for my read, he's claimed to be a multishot dayvig... so town until proven otherwise, basically. His posts haven't felt especially townie (nor scummy), though I'd have to do a reread to pinpoint exactly why and where.
No, all it shows is that your catch was pretty weak on its own. It was just another nail in the coffin for my read on both those guys. I've been reading Asenion as scum since pretty early in the game. The fact that your catch is now proven to be weak doesn't change that.
I don't know how to use the search well enough...
[B]Stardust[/B]
Fair enough Re: Asenion.
Arianhrod has a very good point about Asenion.
I finished the first part of my re-read and have more opinions now.
I want to start by asking Kosa to step it up. As our resident confirmed town players, Kosa has a great chance to lead the town with strong views from a town mindset. Fishing for role information (which he's done twice) and attacking players recklessly, are both unhelpful for the town. Please Kosa, post your opinions and try to back them up. You automatically have the ear of everyone in the Town and the ire of all of the Mafia. Use that to our benefit.
In this Day 1 we already have 2 confirmed Town players (Kosa + Swishh) and 1 pseudo-confirmed not-scum player. (Tom) By rereading those players and their perspectives, a lot can be gained. I found a lot of interesting posts with this new information. Start with the wagon analysis:
The Swish wagon had the following people on it:
TMCT
Arianrhod
Void (Couldn't actually move his vote.)
Jonpike1 (Now WG)
Tom (Performed a Daykill.)
Swishh believed TMCT to be scum. Always respect the voice of the confirmed Town, even if they are dead. I looked into TMCT a bit more from that. (More on that later.) In addition, I find Void's attempted presence on this wagon somewhat scummy.
Swishh's last content post was here: #197 and should be re-read by everyone.
To answer Seppel's question, here are my reads on the 3 people he asked about:
Guardman: Consistent mindset, but mostly a non-entity. His only real content is to do with Macius, and I have no interest in that wagon. Leaning town right now, but I would like to see more opinions on more players from Guardman.
Jonpike1: Absolutely newb read. I think his intentions seemed townie, although he really wasn't contributing much. It's so hard to read newbs because they are chaotic and undeveloped. I hope to get a better read as WG posts, but also leaning town at the moment.
TMCT: I think he's scum frankly. He's been playing very careful and it's clear that he knows what he is doing, but I also seem him on the wrong wagons. TMCT is staying just below the radar while producing enough content to not be lurking. He's playing nearly perfectlyl without actually contributing significantly to the scumhunting. He compliments people and stats that they seem town when they seem to doubt him. He comments on everything that happens but doesn't have super strong opinions about it. He doesn't fence-sit or waffle in his votes, but he doesn't press wagons himself either. It's exactly what I look out for from experienced players that are scum.
Stormblind: This is my more primary scum target though, especially considering how obviousscum he is. StormBlind has not had an opinion all game that wasn't related to roll information. It's literally all he talks about. He doesn't scum hunt. He doesn't examine wagons. He doesn't analyze behavior. He only talks about people's roles and decides their alignment based on whether their role is town or scum normally. This is clear scum mindset because he wants to have opinions and scumhunt, but doesn't know how to use behavior when he already knows who the scum are. So instead, he is trying to build cases from role information to not out his scumbuddies or reveal how obvious he is being. Here's his only post that provides anything close to content without role information: 356. And even in this post, it's almost all about "well his role is traditionally town so he's town, and his role seems more useful for scum so he's scum." In addition, Stormblind has been pushing for people to claim and info dump. He doesn't even care who claims or gets run up as long as they give him more role information to pretend to dissect. Check here: #103 where he votes just because he thinks it will put someone to L-2 and then corrects himself to vote the other person when he realizes what the vote count is. Literally proof that he had no opinion on the lynch and just wanted role info.
Vote Stormblind
P.S. The Kosa wagon also needs to be analyzed more closely, and I didn't have time to do that today. I only reviewed up to ~#350. I also find that I am reversing my opinion on Void. I initially thought he was town because he seemed to be scumhunting and because he is so clearly and adamantly wrong about everything that he couldn't be scum. However, he has forced multiple to claim, keeps jumping on the low hanging fruit, and has been consistently on all the wrong wagons. I'm not sure now whether Void is really that bad of a player, or whether he's scum.
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He does nothing to illistrate how is read on me is changing. It's simply "the vote on swishh is now scummy" and therefore Void is either a "bad player" or scum.
There is also that waffle in there as well.
All of this while he is under pressure. He even tries to deflect his own wagon to StormBlind.
Asenion is very likely to be scum.
Where did I waffle? Also, I've been after Stormblind since before the Kosa wagon.
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It's not about being lazy, I just wanted to know what exact part of your post you considered to be expressions of suspicions.
There's two things that bother me on that post, though:
The first one is that when you called me scum, you said: "So Kosakosa's scum, but I knew that already." You state it like a truth: you knew it already. But in your previously expressed suspicion, you state that I *may* be scum, especially if Void isn't. Even if Void's claim made you believe he's town, that wouldn't make me confirmed scum as you imply I am in the post you voted me, so there's a discrepancy in what you said.
The second one, which actually bothers me the most, is related to your reads. In the post you've quoted, you state your reads on some players:
Bold is my emphasis. I don't like the way you post those reads, mostly linking the possibility of someone to be scum based on another player flipping blue. This looks like a preemptive excuse to jump on players whenever their correlated read flips town, and smells like you trying to set up consecutive chain-mislynches.
You also clear Void based on swishh flipping Town but votes him in the same post because "you'd like to see his claim":
I don't like those at all. It oozes scumminess, and that's why I'm voting you.
A lot had happened since the last time I had mentioned you. It was now a fair bit more than a "may", and that confidence showed. Obviously you were never confirmed scum, but I like talking in certainties now and then. I feel like that gives more importance and pressure to a case, pressure that you completely folded under. It makes sense now why you folded, but at the time... yeah.
All I can say on that is that everyone is connected. I like to put what connections I see out in the open so that later, once we do start getting some flips, it's easier for me to read over my own post to start searching for interactions. If that lines up with other behaviour, I'll push a case. But it's just one tell and not enough to justify a vote on its own.
That didn't clear Void. It felt too aggressive for scum, but that's one tell among many. Anyway, what I actually concluded about Void was "Void is conflicted. Town tells and scum tells mixing together. I'm really liking him as a SK more than anything," (which you quoted above). I wanted to see his claim because Void felt very off in certain posts and because I suspected a neutral. I felt like the claim was going to help a lot to determine his alignment. If he'd claimed vig, I would have pushed for the lynch right there.
Anyway, this should prove to you just how much I value these interactions. I'm not looking for chain lynches, I'm looking for small tells that line up with others. In Void's case here, that one tell wasn't enough for me to stop suspecting him.
Waffling was probably the best point against Asenion, yet you just glossed over it.
* You usually are a bad player or scum. I see nothing wrong with that assessment by Asenion.
* Asenion didn't deflect -- he defended himself, then he listed his reads, then he attacked Stormblind. All too often it's easy for someone on the defense to be accused of either deflecting or just defending. It's a catch-22 and you should know this by now.
I reject your attack on Asenion and substitute it with an attack on TMCT.
Kosa^2 reminded me how shady TMCT has been. I didn't like his answers to me then, but Kosa was being too distracting at the time.
Unvote, vote TMCT.
Btw Seppel, could you tell me where I am "waffling"? I know Void won't answer, so I'm asking you.
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I agree that Macius is probably scum. If he is, Asenion is scum too. And even if he isn't, Asenion is looking more and more as though he's scum regardless. If Macius is town, I'd wager on Tom being scum.
Stormblind I feel might be town. I cannot say more than that.
Rhand feels townie enough, and I'm pretty certain about Void being town.
AR is in this game? AGod (Seppel) was in this game?
TMCT feels town but I'm wary of him after S;G.
Guardman feels like Guardman. Have I ever played a game where you were scum, Guardman?
I have no strong opinions of Stardust.
The other half of my reread will come later today.
Yes.
(It's set for whenever I wake up and/or get home on May 6th and can post a lynch scene.)
No. The player with the most votes at the time will be lynched.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If anyone is in double about this, please say so in your next post, with a reason.
Refusal to say anything about this in your next post implies that you accept that there are two anti-town factions.
Why are you stating this? Town's wincon made that fairly clear.
Could we please get that extended to May 7? Or at least hold off until 4 PM on May 6. I rarely post over the weekend and I'm going to be busy for the rest of this week at work. I just want to make sure I'll have a final chance to move my vote if we do run up on the deadline. Thanks.