Please quote/link the post where he did this. I want to examine it for myself and I don't see anything obvious in his last few.
The only way you cannot see it is if you don't have a Town Role PM.
I do believe I know what you're it immediately upon rereading it. It won't work for anything besides this one catch however. I doubt everyone will see it.
Assuming that void is talking about the same thing I am; KK didn't know that townie PM's have no associated flavor. For myself, I have my role, mechanics, and my name. That's it.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Like where in your head did it sound like a good idea to explain to the scum how they scum slipped so they could just make up an excuse instead of waiting for them to answer so we could catch them? Now instead of a guaranteed catch, we have a maybe.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Actually I do have a flavor. It lies between my name and my role. I will assume yours is Merchant, then. Nonetheless, you're skipping the question Void. What's your name?
...Although that's fairly useless now you've townslipped. That coupled with your verifiable claim makes you a nonthreat to us.
Please explain how this is bad. I'm not saying we just mindlessly barn, ofcourse I'd want to see arguments, but it provides somewhere to start looking.
It's the "start looking" that really bugs me here, and that's the feeling I got from your previous post too. You don't KNOW they're town, there's just a 97% chance that they're town. What you do know know know is that YOU are town (assuming you're town), which is why townies should always be looking to start things for themselves rather than looking for guidance from the beginning. Being drawn to a compelling case made by someone you think is town is one thing, asking for a set of lynch options is another entirely.
My hatred of RVS is well established going back *YEARS*. I usually either try to curtail it quickly, or simply don't participate. I generally don't feel the desire to go through a day-3 days of "WELL I VOTE ROB FOR HAVING PURPLE PANTS!"
So you hate RVS and were aiming to end it... with a comment that was 100% not serious (as explained shortly afterwards) that basically just continued in the spirit of RVS.
Your intent doesn't match with what you actually posted, which is why it feels weird to me. But weird is not necessarily scummy, especially with an RVS post.
Please explain how this is bad. I'm not saying we just mindlessly barn, ofcourse I'd want to see arguments, but it provides somewhere to start looking.
It's "start looking" that really bugs me here, and that's the feeling I got from your previous post too. You don't KNOW they're town, there's just a 97% chance that they're town. What you do know know know is that YOU are town (assuming you're town), which is why townies should always be looking to start things for themselves rather than looking for guidance from the beginning. Being drawn to a compelling case made by someone you think is town is one thing, asking for a set of lynch options is another entirely
Do note that I have been pushing. Relentlessly for Macius pretty much since his claim. Both from a behavioural and technical end of things. So no, I am not waiting for someone to provide a wagon to barn ^_^.
I also learned years ago to not get upset or post when I'm upset, if town. It doesn't do anything good for the game, if scum, its likely to allow tells through.
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"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Actually I do have a flavor. It lies between my name and my role. I will assume yours is Merchant, then. Nonetheless, you're skipping the question Void. What's your name?
...Although that's fairly useless now you've townslipped. That coupled with your verifiable claim makes you a nonthreat to us.
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Yeah, my Role Name will remain hidden for now. Just incase your scum buddies try attempt to use it.
Stormblind, I'm trying to figure out if the scumtell was actually valid. It might not have been, and it's impossible to find out now. In the meantime, you destroyed a chance to to potentially catch scum in a very anti-town way. I don't know if Kosa is scum based on the "tell" now because you gave him a way to make an excuse out of it.
P.S. Why would you bother to FoS me? Use your vote.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
While it is obvious to me that my vote was seized it should not have been obvious to TMCT, but yet he responded with “Yeah.” If TMCT was Town he would have questioned my claim. Thinking more about it, I wouldn’t be surprised if TMCT had something to do with my vote.
I feel bad that the flavor made me sadder than swishh dying (sorry swishh)
Meh, but it saved a NK at any rate. Rereading now and unsure about Macius. Tom is now leaning town just on the merit of being a dayvig, not that I'd put it past Iso to include a scum dayvig.
Saved an NK? Subconscious slip here. TCMT meant to say it saved a “lynch” here, not an NK. But since TMCT posted NK it shows his scum mindset and that Swishh was being considered a NK. It’s possible that the scum team has Day Chat.
The "certainty" of some people's reads are mind-boggling.
*yawn*
Please wake me up if/when I reach L-2. That is, if you all are really interested in more Day 1 information leak.
Fearmongering while under hard pressure.
And Asenion is coming to your defense trying to discredit what I caught because of StormBlind giving out the information which means nothing. It's still a slip up by both KK and Asenion.
I don't want to defend Kosa. I would have loved nothing more than an ironclad reason to lynch him. I think he's scum regardless of the scumtell. Stormblind is just a higher suspect right now. I would lynch either though.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I don't want to defend Kosa. I would have loved nothing more than an ironclad reason to lynch him. I think he's scum regardless of the scumtell. Stormblind is just a higher suspect right now. I would lynch either though.
How is StormBlind a higher suspicion when KK is confirmed scum? KK didn't know the structure of a Town Role PM and asked for the information twice without correcting himself. That is the defintion of a scum slip. Not that it matters to any of the Town though. You are also confirmed scum.
I don't think you understand the term "confirmed".
The tell on Kosa is mostly null because he probably just didn't look at his PM before asking for flavor. I was trying to get confirmation that his was different, when Stormblind stepped in and explained what the town version looked like. Stormblind could still be scum because town/scum role pms might look the same. It's not hard to imagine Kosa didn't check his PM structure before posting.
Now what makes me confirmed scum?
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I don't like Jon. He's been scummy all game, just review his posts. If for some reason you need help finding the scumminess call me up, but it should be obvious.
I don't like Macius for the same reasons.
I don't like Stormblind for just handing Kosa the answer. Like wtf was that for...
I hope Guardman posts more. He's played more Pokemon than Mafia in this thread.
I don't think you understand the term "confirmed".
The tell on Kosa is mostly null because he probably just didn't look at his PM before asking for flavor. I was trying to get confirmation that his was different, when Stormblind stepped in and explained what the town version looked like. Stormblind could still be scum because town/scum role pms might look the same. It's not hard to imagine Kosa didn't check his PM structure before posting.
Now what makes me confirmed scum?
Most Role PM's. and I mean the vast majority on this site, have Flavor to them. Mafia games on this site are based on Flavor for a reason. It is far MORE LIKELY, and certain in my mind and probably StormBlind as well, that KosaKosa has Flavor to his Role and didn't realize the Town Role PM's were setup differently. If you don't think this is possible, then you should go read Basic #72 Giant Robot Battle Royale. Iso gave the scum team an example Town Role PM to help balance the game. Since Iso has done something like this in the past it makes it possible for Iso to do it again.
You coming in and painting StormBlind scummy for bringing that information forward shows that you are trying to help cover up for KosaKosa's slip. StormBlind pointing out what happened means nothing. If anything it puts StormBlind into a more of a Town position for realizing the same thing I did when I didn't state what the slip was.
You are confirmed scum because you didn't realize the mistake that KosaKosa made which confirmed you as scum because the two of you did not receive a Town Role PM.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Please quote/link the post where he did this. I want to examine it for myself and I don't see anything obvious in his last few.
The only way you cannot see it is if you don't have a Town Role PM.
I do believe I know what you're it immediately upon rereading it. It won't work for anything besides this one catch however. I doubt everyone will see it.
Assuming that void is talking about the same thing I am; KK didn't know that townie PM's have no associated flavor. For myself, I have my role, mechanics, and my name. That's it.
Anti-town, but not scum motivated. No scum in their right mind would defend a buddy like this.
I don't want to defend Kosa. I would have loved nothing more than an ironclad reason to lynch him. I think he's scum regardless of the scumtell. Stormblind is just a higher suspect right now. I would lynch either though.
This post tells us a lot about Stormblind's and Kosa's alignments should Asenion flip scum.
Void is probably town, making my read on Arian flawed. Arian is now neutral to me.
With the recent happenings, I think Asenion should be the lynch today.
I asked Void to quote it because I wanted to find the scumslip without Void explaining it explicitly and ruining it. I didn't realize what it was until I double checked my role PM, and then I found it myself right after.
Noob scum happens just as often as noob town. Stormblind might have been trying to diffuse the situation for his buddy even if it put some heat on himself. It's a very strange situation, because frankly, Stormblind was clearly wrong to do that regardless of alignment. When something blatantly stupid happens, analysis is difficult.
Kosa might have become confirmed scum if Stormblind hadn't interfered.
What are you voting me for btw Rhand? Tell me like I'm an idiot please.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
You explain what you should be doing but you don't do it.
You say 'I don't know his alignment' about Macius. Ofc you don't, do you? Why state this? I think it's a slip.
You're awfully fency about Kosa's alignment.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
/Wave@Seppel! Are you going to make me owe you another apology by the end of this game, too =( ?
I feel like Jon requesting replacement after getting some modicum of scrutiny is a very slight scum tell. At the same time, though, it seemed like Jon felt he was out of his comfort zone the entire game, so maybe it's more of a null.
@Stormblind: were you posting already when Asenion said that nobody should reply with the answer to what Kosa's slip was? The times of the posts made me think that, but the discussion afterward came off as very unrepentant at best, and defiant at worst.
@Rhand: why did you say that Kosa needs more pressuring for his slip, and then proceed to vote Asenion? Your vote here comes off as very hypocritical when you point out that you're voting Asenion for saying one thing and doing another -- you did the same thing with Kosa, unless I'm misunderstanding you.
@Rhand: I can put you at ease about Kosa at least. I think he's scummy enough to lynch. I'm not sure if I understand how saying I don't know someone's alignment yet is a scum slip though. I will address the first point when I have time, which will likely be Monday.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Well except for our friend the vote thief. Which I'm guessing is either automatic or compulsive, because that's a bizarre application of the ability so early in the game.
I feel bad that the flavor made me sadder than swishh dying (sorry swishh)
Meh, but it saved a NK at any rate. Rereading now and unsure about Macius. Tom is now leaning town just on the merit of being a dayvig, not that I'd put it past Iso to include a scum dayvig.
"It saved a NK" insted of "it saved a lynch" is a very odd way of putting it.
Pardon me, W/LA until the beginning of the weekend.
Why "pardon" you?
SCUM #1:
Kosakosa's attack on Void in #201 is dumb. He also says, "I'm betting on Void, Asenion and Stormblind as the scumteam," yet he hasn't said a word about Asenion or Stormblind! Then he jumps to Swishh and back to Void.
Also, if you don't care about the game, then have the decency of asking for replacement. We don't need consciously bad townies, although I don't believe that's even the case. You're caught scum, and I find amusing how Asenion doesn't even acknowledge your lie.
Please wake me up if/when I reach L-2. That is, if you all are really interested in more Day 1 information leak.
Fearmongering, threatening, refusal to participate, and there's going to be another claim regardless.
Vote Kosakosa
SCUM #2:
@Stormblind: You push two people to lynch levels, then disappear, then reappear and say two of Kosa's posts are questionable, yet you don't question them. You also said that your gut screamed that Swishh was town but you didn't unvote him. You also called Void and Macius "targets." How do you know we have a vig? Why are you complaining about Tom's power to the town? So much fearmongering over Macius!
Stormblind's #276 feels strange to me. No further questions, let's just lynch. swishh flipping town should have given him plenty to work with. He should be trying to use that information for determining a lynch, not just lynching someone without thinking.
Thing is, Swishh's gameplay was so erratic and nonsensical that it honestly didn't GIVE much room for analysis of who did what or when. Much like previous statements I've made, when playing with Seppel when he was new, or Niv, or similar players, them dying rarely mattered for analysis due to the fact that half the town wanted them dead due to how dumb their play style was, and the mafia hated them being alive due to how erratic their play could be. Example? Read Hat's mafia and Tilde on day 1. Despite people being almost certain that Tilde was town, it didn't stop almost everyone in the GAME from wanting him dead due to how erratic he was, and the fact that he wouldn't listen to anyone. AS TOWN. As stated, I felt Swishh was the same style of player, and feel macius is similar. Hence why I've largely been ignoring them based on gameplay. Their play styles are such that they will be VERY hard to read as either alignment, so I make my decisions of them based on roles. I suspect that Macius is some sort of anti-town neutral who wants to steal abilities/spread his ability thievery around. Hence my dedication to reducing him to a vanilla at BEST or dead, which would be my preference. Again, if looking for reasons why, look at almost any game I've made, half of Xyre's older games, things of that nature.
No. You can't vote BOTH Macius and Swishh, then retroactively say you've "largely been ignoring them based on gameplay." You voted them before their roles were revealed, say saying you make your decisions based on roles is bull****.
FoS Stormblind; because I can't vote two people.
Macius should use his ability on Tom, for obvious reasons. The only downside is that Macius is a terrible shot, but it's still the best play.
tl;dr: Tom is most likely the Enchantress. Kosa and Stormblind are mafia. Their last buddy, if they have one (assuming so for 14 players), is one of TMCT, Jon, Guardman, and Asenion.
@Seppel: I have no confidence as town. Also I seriously need to sit down with this game for a few hours I analyze the Swishh wagon and reread Kosa+Stormblind. I don't think my play has been scummy or anything, I just think I can do better.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Seppel: I have no confidence as town. Also I seriously need to sit down with this game for a few hours I analyze the Swishh wagon and reread Kosa+Stormblind. I don't think my play has been scummy or anything, I just think I can do better.
Then you can be useful by getting me better reads on TMCT, Jon, and Guardman.
V/la till Monday, I'm going home for the weekend. I will read and answer important things, but will not be making progress towards my current objectives:
1. Reread Swish wagon.
2. Reread my two main suspects and build a better case.
3. Get better reads on TMCT, Jon, and Guardman.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I too would like to here why you think Macius is town, since, you know, he hasn't really done anything town.
Though I do really like Seppel's kosa case as it puts some hats on kosa more than just this flavor thing which has devolved into what the definition of "flavor" is.
I still would prefer a Macius lynch (I have a stronger scum read on Macius), but I have no problem with a kosakosa lynch today.
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I believe that puts kosakosa at L-2.
Also on a side note please stop FoSing! I feel like the world is mocking me!
HAHAHA talk about a quick wagon We'll have plenty behaviors to analyze indeed.
I'll claim right after Seppel answers my questions.
First off quick =/= bad. Quick equals a shorter period of time to reach a state than the average period of time to reach that state.
I don't like the subtle fearmongering about your wagon being quick means we won't be able to analyze behavior. To a certain extant who cares. We will get the behavior we can if it's there and it's more important to lynch scum then to play footsie with a wagon on the off chance it will "produce an acceptable level of analyzable behavior".
@Stormblind: You push two people to lynch levels, then disappear, then reappear and say two of Kosa's posts are questionable, yet you don't question them. You also said that your gut screamed that Swishh was town but you didn't unvote him. You also called Void and Macius "targets." How do you know we have a vig? Why are you complaining about Tom's power to the town? So much fearmongering over Macius!
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Show me where I voted Swishh please. My vote was solidly latched onto macius since the near-lynch fiasco earlier in the game. I went through all my posts, and didnt find me voting him.
I voted him BEFORE macius, BEFORE Swishh claimed. I never pushed two wagons, I pushed one. Get your facts straight before launching into an attack.
I *WASN'T* on the Swishh wagon, cause I wasn't around last weekend, when everything happened. I was on the Macius wagon, and have been voting him since he posted because I believe his role is either scum, or non-town.
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"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
@Stormblind: You push two people to lynch levels, then disappear, then reappear and say two of Kosa's posts are questionable, yet you don't question them. You also said that your gut screamed that Swishh was town but you didn't unvote him. You also called Void and Macius "targets." How do you know we have a vig? Why are you complaining about Tom's power to the town? So much fearmongering over Macius!
Stormblind's #276 feels strange to me. No further questions, let's just lynch. swishh flipping town should have given him plenty to work with. He should be trying to use that information for determining a lynch, not just lynching someone without thinking.
Thing is, Swishh's gameplay was so erratic and nonsensical that it honestly didn't GIVE much room for analysis of who did what or when. Much like previous statements I've made, when playing with Seppel when he was new, or Niv, or similar players, them dying rarely mattered for analysis due to the fact that half the town wanted them dead due to how dumb their play style was, and the mafia hated them being alive due to how erratic their play could be. Example? Read Hat's mafia and Tilde on day 1. Despite people being almost certain that Tilde was town, it didn't stop almost everyone in the GAME from wanting him dead due to how erratic he was, and the fact that he wouldn't listen to anyone. AS TOWN. As stated, I felt Swishh was the same style of player, and feel macius is similar. Hence why I've largely been ignoring them based on gameplay. Their play styles are such that they will be VERY hard to read as either alignment, so I make my decisions of them based on roles. I suspect that Macius is some sort of anti-town neutral who wants to steal abilities/spread his ability thievery around. Hence my dedication to reducing him to a vanilla at BEST or dead, which would be my preference. Again, if looking for reasons why, look at almost any game I've made, half of Xyre's older games, things of that nature. [/B]
No. You can't vote BOTH Macius and Swishh, then retroactively say you've "largely been ignoring them based on gameplay." You voted them before their roles were revealed, say saying you make your decisions based on roles is bull****.
[B]FoS Stormblind[/B]; because I can't vote two people.
EVERYTHING in this post revolves around me being on swishh's wagon, when I am not. And honestly, I have *NO* idea how the hell you could make that big of a mistake accidentally. To spend an ENTIRE ****ing post, and have every single point of your attack revolve around a complete fabrication.
FOS Seppel[/b]
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The only way you cannot see it is if you don't have a Town Role PM.
Nobody else talk about this until Kosa answers. Kosa please tell us what is wrong with this post. If you cannot, you are scum.
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I do believe I know what you're it immediately upon rereading it. It won't work for anything besides this one catch however. I doubt everyone will see it.
Assuming that void is talking about the same thing I am; KK didn't know that townie PM's have no associated flavor. For myself, I have my role, mechanics, and my name. That's it.
WHAT THE ACTUAL **** STORMBLIND.
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This was his second request of the same information.if he didn't catch it by then, he wasn't going to.
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...Although that's fairly useless now you've townslipped. That coupled with your verifiable claim makes you a nonthreat to us.
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Reasons it's a bad idea are here.
It's the "start looking" that really bugs me here, and that's the feeling I got from your previous post too. You don't KNOW they're town, there's just a 97% chance that they're town. What you do know know know is that YOU are town (assuming you're town), which is why townies should always be looking to start things for themselves rather than looking for guidance from the beginning. Being drawn to a compelling case made by someone you think is town is one thing, asking for a set of lynch options is another entirely.
So you hate RVS and were aiming to end it... with a comment that was 100% not serious (as explained shortly afterwards) that basically just continued in the spirit of RVS.
Your intent doesn't match with what you actually posted, which is why it feels weird to me. But weird is not necessarily scummy, especially with an RVS post.
Always.
Thanks for the thorough reply. I hope I got you at least a little riled up.
So Kosakosa's scum, but I knew that already. Still gonna leave my vote on Jonpike for now.
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Do note that I have been pushing. Relentlessly for Macius pretty much since his claim. Both from a behavioural and technical end of things. So no, I am not waiting for someone to provide a wagon to barn ^_^.
I also learned years ago to not get upset or post when I'm upset, if town. It doesn't do anything good for the game, if scum, its likely to allow tells through.
"to us"
Yeah, my Role Name will remain hidden for now. Just incase your scum buddies try attempt to use it.
StormBlind is right. I have no Flavor to my Role.
So, if you cannot see what the flaw is there, you're scum. Yet I saw it immediately, knew PRECISELY what void was talking about, and am scum.
This stands to reason one of two things.
1. It's not a viable tell, which leaves the potential for me to be scum.
2. Asenion is so absolutely insanely dead set on killing me that it he doesn't care if I am town or not; he just wants me dead.
FOS Asenion
*yawn*
Please wake me up if/when I reach L-2. That is, if you all are really interested in more Day 1 information leak.
P.S. Why would you bother to FoS me? Use your vote.
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While it is obvious to me that my vote was seized it should not have been obvious to TMCT, but yet he responded with “Yeah.” If TMCT was Town he would have questioned my claim. Thinking more about it, I wouldn’t be surprised if TMCT had something to do with my vote.
Saved an NK? Subconscious slip here. TCMT meant to say it saved a “lynch” here, not an NK. But since TMCT posted NK it shows his scum mindset and that Swishh was being considered a NK. It’s possible that the scum team has Day Chat.
No comment.
Fearmongering while under hard pressure.
And Asenion is coming to your defense trying to discredit what I caught because of StormBlind giving out the information which means nothing. It's still a slip up by both KK and Asenion.
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How is StormBlind a higher suspicion when KK is confirmed scum? KK didn't know the structure of a Town Role PM and asked for the information twice without correcting himself. That is the defintion of a scum slip. Not that it matters to any of the Town though. You are also confirmed scum.
The tell on Kosa is mostly null because he probably just didn't look at his PM before asking for flavor. I was trying to get confirmation that his was different, when Stormblind stepped in and explained what the town version looked like. Stormblind could still be scum because town/scum role pms might look the same. It's not hard to imagine Kosa didn't check his PM structure before posting.
Now what makes me confirmed scum?
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I don't like Jon. He's been scummy all game, just review his posts. If for some reason you need help finding the scumminess call me up, but it should be obvious.
I don't like Macius for the same reasons.
I don't like Stormblind for just handing Kosa the answer. Like wtf was that for...
I hope Guardman posts more. He's played more Pokemon than Mafia in this thread.
Most Role PM's. and I mean the vast majority on this site, have Flavor to them. Mafia games on this site are based on Flavor for a reason. It is far MORE LIKELY, and certain in my mind and probably StormBlind as well, that KosaKosa has Flavor to his Role and didn't realize the Town Role PM's were setup differently. If you don't think this is possible, then you should go read Basic #72 Giant Robot Battle Royale. Iso gave the scum team an example Town Role PM to help balance the game. Since Iso has done something like this in the past it makes it possible for Iso to do it again.
You coming in and painting StormBlind scummy for bringing that information forward shows that you are trying to help cover up for KosaKosa's slip. StormBlind pointing out what happened means nothing. If anything it puts StormBlind into a more of a Town position for realizing the same thing I did when I didn't state what the slip was.
You are confirmed scum because you didn't realize the mistake that KosaKosa made which confirmed you as scum because the two of you did not receive a Town Role PM.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My cube: http://cubetutor.com/viewcube/9981
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It was Kosa's last post and just a few posts before Void's. Why even ask Void to quote it?
Anti-town, but not scum motivated. No scum in their right mind would defend a buddy like this.
I agree that Kosa needs to get pushed for this, but 'confirmed' scum is a bit strong.
This post tells us a lot about Stormblind's and Kosa's alignments should Asenion flip scum.
Void is probably town, making my read on Arian flawed. Arian is now neutral to me.
With the recent happenings, I think Asenion should be the lynch today.
vote: Asenion
Noob scum happens just as often as noob town. Stormblind might have been trying to diffuse the situation for his buddy even if it put some heat on himself. It's a very strange situation, because frankly, Stormblind was clearly wrong to do that regardless of alignment. When something blatantly stupid happens, analysis is difficult.
Kosa might have become confirmed scum if Stormblind hadn't interfered.
What are you voting me for btw Rhand? Tell me like I'm an idiot please.
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You say 'I don't know his alignment' about Macius. Ofc you don't, do you? Why state this? I think it's a slip.
You're awfully fency about Kosa's alignment.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Welcome to the game!
/Wave@Seppel! Are you going to make me owe you another apology by the end of this game, too =( ?
I feel like Jon requesting replacement after getting some modicum of scrutiny is a very slight scum tell. At the same time, though, it seemed like Jon felt he was out of his comfort zone the entire game, so maybe it's more of a null.
@Stormblind: were you posting already when Asenion said that nobody should reply with the answer to what Kosa's slip was? The times of the posts made me think that, but the discussion afterward came off as very unrepentant at best, and defiant at worst.
@Rhand: why did you say that Kosa needs more pressuring for his slip, and then proceed to vote Asenion? Your vote here comes off as very hypocritical when you point out that you're voting Asenion for saying one thing and doing another -- you did the same thing with Kosa, unless I'm misunderstanding you.
Unvote; Vote KosaKosa
Unvote; Vote KosaKosa.
Unvote
Vote Kosa^2
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Macius is town.
Swishh is town.
Rhand is town.
Void is likely town.
Stardust is likely town.
Silver is likely town.
Tom is town or Serial Daykiller Enchantress.
Reasons available upon request on D2.
Jonpike is a mystery. He pushes for people's lynches then replaces out?
@Guardman: Why are you talking so much?
@Asenion: What makes you think you're doing things wrong? And when did you get good at this game?
This post bugs me.
"It saved a NK" insted of "it saved a lynch" is a very odd way of putting it.
Why "pardon" you?
SCUM #1:
Kosakosa's attack on Void in #201 is dumb. He also says, "I'm betting on Void, Asenion and Stormblind as the scumteam," yet he hasn't said a word about Asenion or Stormblind! Then he jumps to Swishh and back to Void.
What.
Fearmongering, threatening, refusal to participate, and there's going to be another claim regardless.
Vote Kosakosa
SCUM #2:
@Stormblind: You push two people to lynch levels, then disappear, then reappear and say two of Kosa's posts are questionable, yet you don't question them. You also said that your gut screamed that Swishh was town but you didn't unvote him. You also called Void and Macius "targets." How do you know we have a vig? Why are you complaining about Tom's power to the town? So much fearmongering over Macius!
No. You can't vote BOTH Macius and Swishh, then retroactively say you've "largely been ignoring them based on gameplay." You voted them before their roles were revealed, say saying you make your decisions based on roles is bull****.
FoS Stormblind; because I can't vote two people.
Macius should use his ability on Tom, for obvious reasons. The only downside is that Macius is a terrible shot, but it's still the best play.
tl;dr: Tom is most likely the Enchantress. Kosa and Stormblind are mafia. Their last buddy, if they have one (assuming so for 14 players), is one of TMCT, Jon, Guardman, and Asenion.
My cube: http://cubetutor.com/viewcube/9981
Macius (2): Void, Guardman
Void (2): Tom, Macius
Jonpike1 (1): Stardust
Asenion (1): Rhand
Kosakosa (3): Arianrhod, Asenion, Seppel
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Then you can be useful by getting me better reads on TMCT, Jon, and Guardman.
1. Reread Swish wagon.
2. Reread my two main suspects and build a better case.
3. Get better reads on TMCT, Jon, and Guardman.
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Unvote, Vote Kosakosa.
Glad to see you're town, Seppel! Why is Macius for-sure town?
More importantly, what makes you so sure on your reads on 6 players? Can you elaborate further?
Though I do really like Seppel's kosa case as it puts some hats on kosa more than just this flavor thing which has devolved into what the definition of "flavor" is.
I still would prefer a Macius lynch (I have a stronger scum read on Macius), but I have no problem with a kosakosa lynch today.
Unvote
Vote kosakosa
I believe that puts kosakosa at L-2.
Also on a side note please stop FoSing! I feel like the world is mocking me!
I'll claim right after Seppel answers my questions.
First off quick =/= bad. Quick equals a shorter period of time to reach a state than the average period of time to reach that state.
I don't like the subtle fearmongering about your wagon being quick means we won't be able to analyze behavior. To a certain extant who cares. We will get the behavior we can if it's there and it's more important to lynch scum then to play footsie with a wagon on the off chance it will "produce an acceptable level of analyzable behavior".
Nice suck-up post. Seppel might as well be confirmed Town as this point.
Show me where I voted Swishh please. My vote was solidly latched onto macius since the near-lynch fiasco earlier in the game. I went through all my posts, and didnt find me voting him.
I voted him BEFORE macius, BEFORE Swishh claimed. I never pushed two wagons, I pushed one. Get your facts straight before launching into an attack.
Also note: Swishh was at 2 votes when he claimed.
my Vote (post 49)
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10064881&postcount=49
His claim (Post 200!)
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10082283&postcount=200
I *WASN'T* on the Swishh wagon, cause I wasn't around last weekend, when everything happened. I was on the Macius wagon, and have been voting him since he posted because I believe his role is either scum, or non-town. [/QUOTE]
EVERYTHING in this post revolves around me being on swishh's wagon, when I am not. And honestly, I have *NO* idea how the hell you could make that big of a mistake accidentally. To spend an ENTIRE ****ing post, and have every single point of your attack revolve around a complete fabrication.
FOS Seppel[/b]