So Void's pushing me and Macius wasn't rolefishing, but my wanting Void to claim is? Maybe Kosakosa should replace Asenion with Arianhrod on his list.
Void doesn't have a wagon on him. You do. Maybe I should add you to my scumlist and see Void's push on you as a heavy bus on the least experienced scum.
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I nevertheless want Void to address me, especially the post where I called him on coaching Asenion. That post and Asenion's subsequently response seem borderline fabricated indignation and a terrible attempt at distancing.
Void's vote has somehow been moved from me to Macius. This supports my town reads on Void and Macius. It looks like a scum is trying to use a town vote to 1) make the voted person appear scum, 2) add votes on a town, and 3) make a town look scummy for voting a town.
2) The wording you have used your words to talk about Macius shows that you know Macius Town. "A Town"
3) Once again you referring to Macius being Town without an "if, and or but" applied. "A Town"
Funny how, following your logic, he also refers twice to you being Town in my bolded emphasis. Yet, you only acknowledge Macius as Town, but not you.
Good to know you aren't Town.
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I'm betting on Void, Asenion and Stormblind as the scumteam.
Or there is the fact that I had a context issue/misread and read the post as if Swishh was referring to Macius in those statements.
You're quick to jump to a conclusion that paints me as scum when there was at least one other possibility.
Void has pushed two people to claim so far. I think it's his turn.
Vote: Void
With the above being said, you're vote is awful. It's a simple /barn of KK for information that you believe is factually correct when there are other possibilities.
Also, even if you can manage to rally enough players to vote me up to claim point I would not be willing to claim while you are on any wagon that forms on me.
You're scum this game. Plain and simple.
One last thing Swishh, if you're going to call out a post of mine as being "the worst post I made this game" you better do something to back it up. Otherwise it is baseless accussation that means nothing. You did nothing to analyze it and the entire post was about you meaning you did nothing to defend yourself against and handwaved it away.
Void's vote has somehow been moved from me to Macius. This supports my town reads on Void and Macius. It looks like a scum is trying to use a town vote to 1) make the voted person appear scum, 2) add votes on a town, and 3) make a town look scummy for voting a town.
2) The wording you have used your words to talk about Macius shows that you know Macius Town. "A Town"
3) Once again you referring to Macius being Town without an "if, and or but" applied. "A Town"
Funny how, following your logic, he also refers twice to you being Town in my bolded emphasis. Yet, you only acknowledge Macius as Town, but not you.
Good to know you aren't Town.
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I'm betting on Void, Asenion and Stormblind as the scumteam.
So Void's pushing me and Macius wasn't rolefishing, but my wanting Void to claim is? Maybe Kosakosa should replace Asenion with Arianhrod on his list.
Void doesn't have a wagon on him. You do. Maybe I should add you to my scumlist and see Void's push on you as a heavy bus on the least experienced scum.
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I nevertheless want Void to address me, especially the post where I called him on coaching Asenion. That post and Asenion's subsequently response seem borderline fabricated indignation and a terrible attempt at distancing.
Sorry been fairly busy. Keeping up, but haven't had time for real posting.
Of interest however, I find the above sets of posts insanely questionable
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
On the Swishh Wagon... I hate his playstyle. He reminds me of TFF & seppel when they were new. Absolutely dumb, throws insanely bad logic and stupid comments around willy-nilly. And has a terrible role.
Problem is that, due to the similarities with the players in question above, and the fact they tended to play a much more competent scum game, I' inclined to think swishh is town based off history with that style of player. I don't however have ANYTHING to back this up, it's merely my gut speaking here.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
I don't think Void is scum even though his interactions with me were not town-esk. I'm glad the wagon on Macius is moving on, not because I think he's town, but because the reasons for that wagon were awful. Swish is an interesting case, I'm having some trouble reading him. He's a good lynch candidate though because we will gain a lot of information from the opinions surrounding him.
I am inclined to agree with Swish that TMCT has been on the outer edge of this game and is pinging my scumdar from there. I don't like it. Stormblind seems to have somewhat erratic behavior.
For anyone curious, AthiestGod just doesn't post. His meta from what I can tell is that he doesn't post at all other than MAYBE the minimum required to not get replaced and produces no content when he does post. I'm reasonably sure he is reading the thread and simply choosing not to respond.
This vote manipulation is interesting. I think we have to assume there will be more of it in the future also taking into account the extended twilight. I'm going to say this now because I'll be bringing it up later: Manipulating people's votes is anti-town. If you have an ability that effects votes, don't use it. If you feel compelled to use it, you better have a good reason that you can back up or you had better claim and ask the town's permission. I will lynch anyone caught using a vote manipulation ability without town permission from this point forward. (Obviously it's less scummy to prevent a lynch you consider bad than to cause a lynch, but either one can be dangerous. The second one is always scummy, the first one can be explained if you have good reasons.)
P.S. @Swishh: Please don't ever use your ability on me. I have a suicide condition if I target wrong, and I would rather not randomly die because you picked a bad target for me.
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Ack, ninja'd. Swish, please do NOT self-vote. More discussion and more votes on you is better for wagon analysis. I hope that wasn't a self-hammer, but I haven't counted the votes yet. Please unvote if it's not too late and let the rest of the town choose to lynch you at our own leisure.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Void's vote has somehow been moved from me to Macius. This supports my town reads on Void and Macius. It looks like a scum is trying to use a town vote to 1) make the voted person appear scum, 2) add votes on a town, and 3) make a town look scummy for voting a town.
Ravel's Sonatine doesn't have a fourth movement, so until we get this vote phenomenon sorted out, I don't think anymore people should be claiming or getting pushed for a lynch.
Why do you assume it's scum that is taking control of my vote? There is nothing ITT that supports that statement.
The bolded in your post clearly indicates that you knew swishh was talking about you. There's no "fact that you had a context issue/misread". Not to mention his sentence wouldn't even make sense.
The fact is that you slipped and now, trying to justify yourself on it, lied about it. You didn't even think about your "justification" before posting it, which is a clear sign about how fabricated that post on swishh was. There's no other possibility, you're caught scum.
Yeah I see that, but like 10 posts popped up while I was posting and I reacted before reading. Still unvote yourself please Swish. It's not beneficial to the town for you to enable your own lynch. Townsfolk should almost never suicide.
Kosa^2, what is going on with you? You are all over the place this game declaring everything that moves scum. How many people are on your scum list right now? 4? 5? I've lost count. Void was being a bit dense there, but I don't see a scumslip. Swish was making broad assumptions, but I don't see a scum slip there either.
@Stormblind: What game did you play with Swish where you decided his posting style was "dumb and illogical"? I'm following Swish's logic fine this game even if I don't agree with much of it. Your last post reads very much of trying to discredit someone, and I would like to know where you coming from in t hat.
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@Stormblind: What game did you play with Swish where you decided his posting style was "dumb and illogical"? I'm following Swish's logic fine this game even if I don't agree with much of it. Your last post reads very much of trying to discredit someone, and I would like to know where you coming from in t hat.
His logic feels incredibly jumpy to me. When I get time I'll try to explain this better
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Kosa^2, what is going on with you? You are all over the place this game declaring everything that moves scum. How many people are on your scum list right now? 4? 5? I've lost count. Void was being a bit dense there, but I don't see a scumslip. Swish was making broad assumptions, but I don't see a scum slip there either.
Nice hyperbolic attempt at discrediting me. I just exposed a blatant lie from Void and you dismiss it as if it was nothing relevant. I wonder what kind of mindset isn't interested in further pursuing obvious contradictions in order to solve the game.
I'm coming for you as fast as Usain Bolt after Void flips red.
Swishh: do you believe your role to be a strong one?
I will try to reread tomorrow. Please don't lynch anyone before I did.
Not at all. I guess it could be good to counter a roleblock or SK but otherwise it seems a much more suitable ability for scum. As, incidentally, does Macius's.
Swishh: do you believe your role to be a strong one?
I will try to reread tomorrow. Please don't lynch anyone before I did.
Not at all. I guess it could be good to counter a roleblock or SK but otherwise it seems a much more suitable ability for scum. As, incidentally, does Macius's.
Oh wow, this is not what I asked.
Swishh is probably scum.
Swishh: do you believe your role to be a strong one?
I will try to reread tomorrow. Please don't lynch anyone before I did.
Not at all. I guess it could be good to counter a roleblock or SK but otherwise it seems a much more suitable ability for scum. As, incidentally, does Macius's.
Oh wow, this is not what I asked.
Swishh is probably scum.
You asked if my role is strong. I said no. In order to be useful I have to know who the mafia are. Otherwise I'm blindly redirecting abilities.
Swishh: do you believe your role to be a strong one?
I will try to reread tomorrow. Please don't lynch anyone before I did.
Not at all. I guess it could be good to counter a roleblock or SK but otherwise it seems a much more suitable ability for scum. As, incidentally, does Macius's.
Swishh just comitted another HUGE scum tell. Bringing forward the possibilty of an SK (first one to do so), when there is no evidence that one exists, is a tactic used by scum to get the attention of off the scum team and to focus on Neutral Hunting.
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Do you believe that only scum contradicts themselves and that it is impossible for Town to do so? Once you answer this you can then explain why my contradiction comes from a scum mind set.
Wow, why is it that everytime I leave my computer, you decided to post many many things?
I'm sorry for the lack of posting, it seems 10 games of mafia on FB haven't quite prepared me for this, I'm feeling rather overwhelmed. I think the vote screw warrants more discussion, and I'm not sold of Swishh's self vote, committing suicide is not a town thing to do in my experience.
How have we managed to get so many claims day 1? 2 full claims and a hint. Not something I'm used too, and it sounds like it isn't normal.
I think its time to start throwing my vote out, and I'm tending to Swishh at this point, his suicidal nature seems like its trying to throw us off the scent (But bear in mind I A have no Meta on any of you and B AM new to this way of playing)
Vote:Swishh
In that event you'd have to vote him and Macius. They both did a self vote.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Anyone who thinks I'm scum here is about to get some good meta for future games. As such I want today to end with a bandwagon cross between me and Void
Why would scum hijack a vote and put it onto a teammate?
I'd like you to take a guess as to the answer of this question.
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This supports my town reads on Void and Macius.
Ravel's Sonatine doesn't have a fourth movement, so until we get this vote phenomenon sorted out, I don't think anymore people should be claiming or getting pushed for a lynch.
Void has pushed two people to claim so far. I think it's his turn.
Vote: Void
There is an obvious problem with these quotes. Especially considering Void only made two posts between when these were made, one of them being entirely about Macius.
Anyone who thinks I'm scum here is about to get some good meta for future games. As such I want today to end with a bandwagon cross between me and Void
Unvote: swishh Vote: Void
More fearmongering. Also, please explain why you dying is no longer the most pro-town thing that can happen.
Also if that first line in the first of the two contradicting swishh quotes was not his, I apologize. The quotes were messed up in his post so I'm not sure.
As I said, im V/LA until monday, but I wanted to address something.
Rhand wanted me to show im not a "vote" thief by voting someone
Vote: Guardman.
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Hopefully this works as Rhand though it would.
Anyways, cant stay on much longer, so v/la monday
Hm. Just noticed Asenion claimed a Weak role. Not sure why he would do it, but at least it's kind of verifiable.
This is not what I claimed. Please don't presume, guess, or try and fish it out.
The ONLY relevant part to the town is that I don't want to be redirected by our claimed redirector and that if I die in addition to the Night Kill the town will know why.
@Tom: How is it fear mongering for him to say he will flip town? We SHOULD be afraid of mislynching and it's a reasonable defense to remind us of that. If that is fear mongering, then everyone who defends themselves ever is fear mongering.
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@Tom: How is it fear mongering for him to say he will flip town? We SHOULD be afraid of mislynching and it's a reasonable defense to remind us of that. If that is fear mongering, then everyone who defends themselves ever is fear mongering.
It is not a reasonable defense at all to remind people that they could be town. I wouldn't even call it a defense...
From what I know the term "fearmongering" to mean, it is when someone uses that WIFOM-reminder to strike fear into the townies trying to lynch him. So no not everyone who defends themselves ever is fearmongering.
Hey guys, I'm town. Lynching me would be bad for your chance to win.
Am I fear mongering Tom? I say things like that when I get run up commonly. I'm not saying his defense is strong or effective, but fear mongering seems a little over the top. When I think of fear mongering, I'm thinking of the guy who is shouting that we will lose this phase if we don't lynch X or Y because the scum have 6 members and are about to have majority. Or the guy who says there is a cult and we need to lynch Z player RIGHT NOW to try and stop the cult. Things like that where an emotional response is encouraged to influence current actions.
Fear mongering can be a strong scum tell because townsfolk don't generally want to encourage other townsfolk to panic and successful fear mongering can manipulate the town strongly. I don't think that is what is going on here. It reads to me like a player being run up shouting that he is town because he doesn't want to get lynched.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
As I said, im V/LA until monday, but I wanted to address something.
Rhand wanted me to show im not a "vote" thief by voting someone
Vote: Guardman.
Unvote
Hopefully this works as Rhand though it would.
Anyways, cant stay on much longer, so v/la monday
It doesn't work if you vote and unvote in one post.
You vote, someone else (me for example) votes, you unvote.
Void, how will things look for you when I flip town?
Anyone who thinks I'm scum here is about to get some good meta for future games.
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Hey guys, I'm town. Lynching me would be bad for your chance to win.
Your line feels very different from Swishh's lines. His try to induce fear (especially the first one) why your line is just making silly WIFOM. I would not call yours fear-mongering.
I can see what you are saying, but the only person he's trying to scare or make suspicious is Void. I guess I just feel like if I was town in his position, I would be trying to call out someone on my wagon that I thought was scummy too.
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P.S. Inb4 Kosa^2 quotes "if I was town" out of context and tries to get me lynched for it. I'm talking about a hypothetical situation in which Swish was town and I was making decisions for him.
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Sorry guys, I've been a bit overcome here the last couple days. I've skimmed quickly here and there is a whole hell of a lot of stuff happening that I don't understand the motivation for. I'll get some questions firing in a couple days time. Sorry for the lack of involvement so far.
Asenion's recent responses make me feel good about him. And if swishh flips scum it'll look even better for him (though if swishh flips town I don't think it has much bearing of Asenion's alignment).
Asenion's recent responses make me feel good about him. And if swishh flips scum it'll look even better for him (though if swishh flips town I don't think it has much bearing of Asenion's alignment).
Elaborate on this please? I don't like Asenion's recent posts, and it's almost like he's defending swishh so if swishh flips scum I fail to see how that would look better for Asenion.
Elaborate on this please? I don't like Asenion's recent posts, and it's almost like he's defending swishh so if swishh flips scum I fail to see how that would look better for Asenion.
swishh is a sinking ship. WIFOM makes this a bit muddy, but I find it less likely for scum that isn't new at Mafia to halfheartedly defend a sinking ship if that ship is also scum -- i.e. if swishh is scum I think Asenion would either have gotten on the ship right away or come out to strongly defend swishh outright and make the WIFOM even muddier.
Also, Asenion's reasoning for the mini-breadcrumb is genuine. The second part here comes from a town mindset that is more difficult to fabricate than the mindset of the first part:
The ONLY relevant part to the town is that I don't want to be redirected by our claimed redirector and that if I die in addition to the Night Kill the town will know why.
Scum have almost zero interest in looking for ways to help the town after their death, even while they're alive, so that's all the more difficult to fake.
As I said, im V/LA until monday, but I wanted to address something.
Rhand wanted me to show im not a "vote" thief by voting someone
Vote: Guardman.
Unvote
Hopefully this works as Rhand though it would.
Anyways, cant stay on much longer, so v/la monday
It doesn't work if you vote and unvote in one post.
You vote, someone else (me for example) votes, you unvote.
Ok....
Vote:Guardman
I would use swishh as an example, but I dont want to L-1 them (im unsure where they sit)
Elaborate on this please? I don't like Asenion's recent posts, and it's almost like he's defending swishh so if swishh flips scum I fail to see how that would look better for Asenion.
swishh is a sinking ship. WIFOM makes this a bit muddy, but I find it less likely for scum that isn't new at Mafia to halfheartedly defend a sinking ship if that ship is also scum -- i.e. if swishh is scum I think Asenion would either have gotten on the ship right away or come out to strongly defend swishh outright and make the WIFOM even muddier.
Yeah no, that is pretty much all WIFOM and would not make Asenion look any better. If anything, it would make him look worse.
As I said, im V/LA until monday, but I wanted to address something.
Rhand wanted me to show im not a "vote" thief by voting someone
Vote: Guardman.
Unvote
Hopefully this works as Rhand though it would.
Anyways, cant stay on much longer, so v/la monday
It doesn't work if you vote and unvote in one post.
You vote, someone else (me for example) votes, you unvote.
Ok....
Vote:Guardman
I would use swishh as an example, but I dont want to L-1 them (im unsure where they sit)
There you go....
I don't understand Rhand's plan but vote: AG so that it can be carried out further.
Macius, why do you say "them" and "they" here, I don't understand who you are referring to.
As I said, im V/LA until monday, but I wanted to address something.
Rhand wanted me to show im not a "vote" thief by voting someone
Vote: Guardman.
Unvote
Hopefully this works as Rhand though it would.
Anyways, cant stay on much longer, so v/la monday
It doesn't work if you vote and unvote in one post.
You vote, someone else (me for example) votes, you unvote.
Ok....
Vote:Guardman
I would use swishh as an example, but I dont want to L-1 them (im unsure where they sit)
There you go....
I don't understand Rhand's plan but vote: AG so that it can be carried out further.
Macius, why do you say "them" and "they" here, I don't understand who you are referring to.
3rd person pronouns I use. I dont want to say "he" or "she" and those were what I used in their steed. Feel weird saying "he" and finding out its a female im responding to....
Honestly calling someone a "they" is probably more strange than calling a he a "she" or a she a "he" for the first time until he or she makes the correction, just sayin
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I feel bad that the flavor made me sadder than swishh dying (sorry swishh)
Meh, but it saved a NK at any rate. Rereading now and unsure about Macius. Tom is now leaning town just on the merit of being a dayvig, not that I'd put it past Iso to include a scum dayvig.
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Oh so are you voting Void just because you want a claim? Why do you want people to spill out info in the thread?
Void doesn't have a wagon on him. You do. Maybe I should add you to my scumlist and see Void's push on you as a heavy bus on the least experienced scum.
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I nevertheless want Void to address me, especially the post where I called him on coaching Asenion. That post and Asenion's subsequently response seem borderline fabricated indignation and a terrible attempt at distancing.
Void said I was reluctant to claim and thus scum. I proved him wrong.
Or there is the fact that I had a context issue/misread and read the post as if Swishh was referring to Macius in those statements.
You're quick to jump to a conclusion that paints me as scum when there was at least one other possibility.
With the above being said, you're vote is awful. It's a simple /barn of KK for information that you believe is factually correct when there are other possibilities.
Also, even if you can manage to rally enough players to vote me up to claim point I would not be willing to claim while you are on any wagon that forms on me.
You're scum this game. Plain and simple.
One last thing Swishh, if you're going to call out a post of mine as being "the worst post I made this game" you better do something to back it up. Otherwise it is baseless accussation that means nothing. You did nothing to analyze it and the entire post was about you meaning you did nothing to defend yourself against and handwaved it away.
Can we lynch swishh sooner rather than later?
That is one of MANY reasons that I am calling you scum. Good job on misrepresenting everything I have said about your game thus far.
Sorry been fairly busy. Keeping up, but haven't had time for real posting.
Of interest however, I find the above sets of posts insanely questionable
Problem is that, due to the similarities with the players in question above, and the fact they tended to play a much more competent scum game, I' inclined to think swishh is town based off history with that style of player. I don't however have ANYTHING to back this up, it's merely my gut speaking here.
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Void, how will things look for you when I flip town?
I am inclined to agree with Swish that TMCT has been on the outer edge of this game and is pinging my scumdar from there. I don't like it. Stormblind seems to have somewhat erratic behavior.
For anyone curious, AthiestGod just doesn't post. His meta from what I can tell is that he doesn't post at all other than MAYBE the minimum required to not get replaced and produces no content when he does post. I'm reasonably sure he is reading the thread and simply choosing not to respond.
This vote manipulation is interesting. I think we have to assume there will be more of it in the future also taking into account the extended twilight. I'm going to say this now because I'll be bringing it up later: Manipulating people's votes is anti-town. If you have an ability that effects votes, don't use it. If you feel compelled to use it, you better have a good reason that you can back up or you had better claim and ask the town's permission. I will lynch anyone caught using a vote manipulation ability without town permission from this point forward. (Obviously it's less scummy to prevent a lynch you consider bad than to cause a lynch, but either one can be dangerous. The second one is always scummy, the first one can be explained if you have good reasons.)
P.S. @Swishh: Please don't ever use your ability on me. I have a suicide condition if I target wrong, and I would rather not randomly die because you picked a bad target for me.
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You are lying. You knew swishh was referring to you:
The bolded in your post clearly indicates that you knew swishh was talking about you. There's no "fact that you had a context issue/misread". Not to mention his sentence wouldn't even make sense.
The fact is that you slipped and now, trying to justify yourself on it, lied about it. You didn't even think about your "justification" before posting it, which is a clear sign about how fabricated that post on swishh was. There's no other possibility, you're caught scum.
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I don't care about swishh, Void needs to die.
Kosa^2, what is going on with you? You are all over the place this game declaring everything that moves scum. How many people are on your scum list right now? 4? 5? I've lost count. Void was being a bit dense there, but I don't see a scumslip. Swish was making broad assumptions, but I don't see a scum slip there either.
@Stormblind: What game did you play with Swish where you decided his posting style was "dumb and illogical"? I'm following Swish's logic fine this game even if I don't agree with much of it. Your last post reads very much of trying to discredit someone, and I would like to know where you coming from in t hat.
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His logic feels incredibly jumpy to me. When I get time I'll try to explain this better
I will try to reread tomorrow. Please don't lynch anyone before I did.
Nice hyperbolic attempt at discrediting me. I just exposed a blatant lie from Void and you dismiss it as if it was nothing relevant. I wonder what kind of mindset isn't interested in further pursuing obvious contradictions in order to solve the game.
I'm coming for you as fast as Usain Bolt after Void flips red.
Not at all. I guess it could be good to counter a roleblock or SK but otherwise it seems a much more suitable ability for scum. As, incidentally, does Macius's.
Oh wow, this is not what I asked.
Swishh is probably scum.
No, I don't need one for this game. Why?
You asked if my role is strong. I said no. In order to be useful I have to know who the mafia are. Otherwise I'm blindly redirecting abilities.
Swishh just comitted another HUGE scum tell. Bringing forward the possibilty of an SK (first one to do so), when there is no evidence that one exists, is a tactic used by scum to get the attention of off the scum team and to focus on Neutral Hunting.
KK
Do you believe that only scum contradicts themselves and that it is impossible for Town to do so? Once you answer this you can then explain why my contradiction comes from a scum mind set.
In that event you'd have to vote him and Macius. They both did a self vote.
Unvote: swishh
Vote: Void
I'd like you to take a guess as to the answer of this question.
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There is an obvious problem with these quotes. Especially considering Void only made two posts between when these were made, one of them being entirely about Macius.
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Wow, I'm starting to agree with that first line. Nice fearmongering at the bottom.
More fearmongering. Also, please explain why you dying is no longer the most pro-town thing that can happen.
Also if that first line in the first of the two contradicting swishh quotes was not his, I apologize. The quotes were messed up in his post so I'm not sure.
Rhand wanted me to show im not a "vote" thief by voting someone
Vote: Guardman.
Unvote
Hopefully this works as Rhand though it would.
Anyways, cant stay on much longer, so v/la monday
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyThis is not what I claimed. Please don't presume, guess, or try and fish it out.
The ONLY relevant part to the town is that I don't want to be redirected by our claimed redirector and that if I die in addition to the Night Kill the town will know why.
@Tom: How is it fear mongering for him to say he will flip town? We SHOULD be afraid of mislynching and it's a reasonable defense to remind us of that. If that is fear mongering, then everyone who defends themselves ever is fear mongering.
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It is not a reasonable defense at all to remind people that they could be town. I wouldn't even call it a defense...
From what I know the term "fearmongering" to mean, it is when someone uses that WIFOM-reminder to strike fear into the townies trying to lynch him. So no not everyone who defends themselves ever is fearmongering.
Am I fear mongering Tom? I say things like that when I get run up commonly. I'm not saying his defense is strong or effective, but fear mongering seems a little over the top. When I think of fear mongering, I'm thinking of the guy who is shouting that we will lose this phase if we don't lynch X or Y because the scum have 6 members and are about to have majority. Or the guy who says there is a cult and we need to lynch Z player RIGHT NOW to try and stop the cult. Things like that where an emotional response is encouraged to influence current actions.
Fear mongering can be a strong scum tell because townsfolk don't generally want to encourage other townsfolk to panic and successful fear mongering can manipulate the town strongly. I don't think that is what is going on here. It reads to me like a player being run up shouting that he is town because he doesn't want to get lynched.
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It doesn't work if you vote and unvote in one post.
You vote, someone else (me for example) votes, you unvote.
Your line feels very different from Swishh's lines. His try to induce fear (especially the first one) why your line is just making silly WIFOM. I would not call yours fear-mongering.
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You're very agressive. I was wondering if you do that on purpose.
I still need to reread. I hope to have time for that tomorrow.
If I'm totally wrong and he's not, then pursuing Void looks like the direction to go.
Because of the deadline, I might as well do this now and figure out which direction is correct...
Daykill: Swishh
Asenion's recent responses make me feel good about him. And if swishh flips scum it'll look even better for him (though if swishh flips town I don't think it has much bearing of Asenion's alignment).
Elaborate on this please? I don't like Asenion's recent posts, and it's almost like he's defending swishh so if swishh flips scum I fail to see how that would look better for Asenion.
swishh is a sinking ship. WIFOM makes this a bit muddy, but I find it less likely for scum that isn't new at Mafia to halfheartedly defend a sinking ship if that ship is also scum -- i.e. if swishh is scum I think Asenion would either have gotten on the ship right away or come out to strongly defend swishh outright and make the WIFOM even muddier.
Also, Asenion's reasoning for the mini-breadcrumb is genuine. The second part here comes from a town mindset that is more difficult to fabricate than the mindset of the first part:
Scum have almost zero interest in looking for ways to help the town after their death, even while they're alive, so that's all the more difficult to fake.
Ok....
Vote:Guardman
I would use swishh as an example, but I dont want to L-1 them (im unsure where they sit)
There you go....
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyYeah no, that is pretty much all WIFOM and would not make Asenion look any better. If anything, it would make him look worse.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyI don't understand Rhand's plan but vote: AG so that it can be carried out further.
Macius, why do you say "them" and "they" here, I don't understand who you are referring to.
3rd person pronouns I use. I dont want to say "he" or "she" and those were what I used in their steed. Feel weird saying "he" and finding out its a female im responding to....
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething Spicy@Tom: if your vote moves to Guardman, then Macius is the reason why.
Wonder why I asked Iso for a vote count as of my vote?
Anyways Unvote
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyYou giggle.
"Which one was it that you liked?"
"You know, the one about the knight, the princess, and the dragon."
You sigh with a smile as you ready your fingers and strum your harp melodiously.
The song about the knight. He always asked you to play that one, these late nights at the tavern.
You burst into song, your voice flowing just as smoothly as the melody from your strings.
The vibratos, tremolos, and pitch burst from your lips as though they were destined to escape from your head from the day of their inception.
He swayed unevenly to the music, singing his own (somewhat vulgar) version of the song along with it.
But you don't mind.
You live to bring that happiness to people through your music.
But you are weary from the long day, and so you strike one final chord as the man falls out of his barstool, unconscious from liquor intake.
You smile again.
You pack up your harp and wave to the barkeep on your way out the door.
"Thank you, Lady Megumi. Your music always brings a brighter note to our bleak tavern."
You hum on your way out the door, the tale of the knight, the princess, and the dragon stuck in your head.
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The warriors clash furiously - swords, spells, and blood coat the battlefield as one would expect in such a fierce struggle.
An almighty roar is heard from the sky, and everyone pauses to glance upwards.
As soon as they look up, however, they clamour out of the way.
A blast of fire erupts from the shadow-casting winged beast in the air and directly strikes one of the combatants.
...but this combatant was no fighter.
She weaved her words into songs of encouragement, bravery, power, and occasionally cunning on this day in Formonune. Until now, that is.
Lady Megumi has fallen.
swishh has been killed. He was Megumi, Traveling Bard, Town Manipulator.
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Official Votecount:
Macius (1): Void
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's 7 to lynch now, right?
I feel bad that the flavor made me sadder than swishh dying (sorry swishh)
Meh, but it saved a NK at any rate. Rereading now and unsure about Macius. Tom is now leaning town just on the merit of being a dayvig, not that I'd put it past Iso to include a scum dayvig.