Also on Kosa: I remember Kosa saying some time ago that there were repercussions for him having Iso confirm him. Possibly anyone who targets Kosa (natural response for confirmed town, from all alignments) is poisoned or some such? I'd be shocked if Kosa's ability had such a stipulation attached and he DIDN'T claim it, though.
Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Interesting... Anything to say about the consequences of your 'confirmation' Kosa?
I agree that Tom has been super shifty. He is still not acting at all like town!Tom. I want to hear from him toDay, and I think some pressure needs applied there to get him to talk.
@Arian: Do you mind saying what your one-shot was? Since you're allegedly vanilla now, it wouldn't hurt you and it could possibly help us. Were you told if you were roleblocked or if the target was untargetable or something else perhaps?
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Signs point to you killing Void. Void was shown town after confirming his role by giving you a Vest. If you are really town and killed Void, that's just dumb. It makes more sense that you're not-town and killed Void.
This is so many kinds of wrong. It makes more sense that the mod is a bastard and lied about KK being town? Really?
I haven't been having much time recently and probably won't in the next while so I'll throw down my reads now:
Kosa is probably town only because of the mod confirmation
Seppel is probably town
Arianrhod I don't know why so many people think he's town, he doesn't seem to be doing much
Sir Karn is probably scum for the reasons kosa pointed out + defensiveness
I'm not sure about TMCT, Rhand or Stardust. I haven't reviewed for a while and these reads are just from what i remember.
I'm not sure about TMCT, Rhand or Stardust. I haven't reviewed for a while and these reads are just from what i remember.
Could you review for us before you die? If you actually are town it would help us.
Gettouta here. It's not "us". You are not town. I don't know why people never took your predecessor's scum slip more seriously.
Your innocent question asking attitude is ridiculous, after you just randomly hopped on my wagon and killed me. Why didn't you vote me earlier today? Why did you wait? Did you forget about your scum read on me?
Why did you not even attempt to unvote after Iso's lynch announcement?
Anyway, I think TMCT is town from gut and Rhand / Stardust are leaning scum from PoE. You are scum. Arian is also leaning scum.
@TMCT: Why "cool"? Anyway, the only thing I left out about my role I don't think is real relevant. My day kill could have been anonymous. I just had to PM Iso and he'd make the kill without revealing that I had done it. However I thought doing that seemed rather silly when if I ever had to reveal that I had done it I would look very scummy.
Wrong answer: The correct one, if you were a townie, would be "are you stupid?! If Tom flips town, we will be 4 players against 2 scum tomorrow if you shoot me! You'll make us lose the game!"
I don't have to explain **** to you. I'm mod-confirmed town. You're scum.
Yea, his name was Wheat_Grinder. Void also had the ability of giving a one-shot vest to people, and let us not mention Seppel who, albeit probably lying, also hinted at bulletproff-ness. Are you telling me you're the third/fourth townie in the game with a bulletproof-related skill?
Oh, and cool thing you totally ignored your behavioral slip up there.
Yea, his name was Wheat_Grinder. Void also had the ability of giving a one-shot vest to people, and let us not mention Seppel who, albeit probably lying, also hinted at bulletproff-ness. Are you telling me you're the third/fourth townie in the game with a bulletproof-related skill.
I wouldn't put it past Iso to have 3 bulletproof-ish abilities in the game, especially when some are one-shot.
Your innocent question asking attitude is ridiculous, after you just randomly hopped on my wagon and killed me. Why didn't you vote me earlier today? Why did you wait? Did you forget about your scum read on me?
The vote is not "random" when you even admit that I already had a scum read on you.
As for "Why did you wait?": Less than 24 hours into the Day is waiting a long time? lol.
This is stupid. I was looking forward to a long day here. There's lots to go over...
Okay, Kosa, I take it you didn't kill Seppel? Taking away the flavour, I thought Void would have been the mafia nightkill and Seppel killed by something else (presumably you since I knew you had a shot). But Seppel's kill mentions the knight, so I think that was their choice. Void was killed for some other reason. You really have no idea why Void died?
The kill flavour is very different, but it's possible the Enchantress killed Void I suppose. If it wasn't her, I'm probably the reason she didn't get a kill off (either that or I completely wasted it). I used my untargetable shot last night. I'm not a cop, I'm something of a jack-of-all-trades, 1 shot cop, 1 shot untargetable and 1 shot something else. I don't see the point in claiming that final ability since I'll be using it tonight. It's defensive as well. Details tomorrow.
Stormblind was pretty scummy, but Sir Karn is very likely scum after this weekend. He should be the lynch tomorrow - but don't rush it!!
What else...TMCT is fine the way he is. We'll mass claim tomorrow with everyone included fully.
Also, the flavor told us when the enchantress killed someone the night before, why not the orphan killing last night? Kosa killing Void is the logical conclusion.
No it's not, because Kosa is town. Iso is not that big a bastard.
Kosa, please do shoot Sir Karn if you're able.
... Void's death really bugs me and is the main thing I wanted to delve into today. The orphan flavour, the lack of explanation... I'm just going to keep assuming Iso's not lying to us, but if Kosa is scum I'm going to be pissed.
Back after top 32'ing Baltimore. Was in the running for top 8 until round 7, at least =(
Apparently Karn is scum, which isn't that surprising given his predecessor. Curious how that makes me also scum, but it's whatever.
No idea how in the **** Tom is lynched. Guessing Karn has some kind of a quicklynch ability, which is moderately horrifying this late in the game. Agreed that Kosa should shoot Karn if able.
Has Rhand posted ANYTHING toDay?
Current thoughts:
1. Rhand - Has been kind of a question mark in my head. Remains so, which is odd this late in the game.
2. Tom - I believe scum or SK. We'll know soon enough.
3. The Most Curious Thing - Actually likely town. I've liked his posts toDay, and by PoE he seems unlikely to be anti-town.
4. Kosakosa - Supposedly confirmed Town, but this whole thing with Void dying last night is really confusing, as is his seeming unwillingness to elucidate the circumstances surrounding himself.
5. Arianrhod - hi.
12. Sir Karn - Obv scum. Shoot him toNight or lynch him Tomorrow.
13. Stardust - Very likely town. His pseudo-claim yesterDay with subsequent actual claim toDay is a very townie move.
Does anyone other than Karn want me to claim my one-shot? Given how Karn's reacted toDay, I don't particularly care to oblige him. I do believe that it is irrelevant going forward, since it failed regardless -- but if Stardust, TMCT, or Kosa want to claim it, I will.
Yeah, if any townie has a vig shot, please take it.
Assuming that a) Tom is town, b) there are 3 town, 2 mafia, and a SK left after that, c) the mafia and SK both get shots Tonight and fire at a random player outside their faction, and d) no other abilities -- apart from KK's bulletproof -- take effect, here's what we face Tomorrow:
17%: KK, 2 mafia, and SK alive -- town loss.
17%: KK + 1 other townie and 2 mafia alive -- mafia win.
33%: KK + 1 other townie, 1 mafia, and SK alive -- mexican standoff.
17%: KK + 1 other townie, 2 mafia, and SK alive -- lynch town or SK and lose, then hope the mafia and SK shoot each other.
17%: KK + 2 other townies and 1 mafia alive -- MyLo.
If a townie has a vig shot for some reason then those abysmal odds do improve somewhat, even firing randomly.
10%: KK, 2 mafia, and SK alive -- town loss.
7%: KK and 2 mafia alive -- mafia win.
10%: KK + 1 other townie and 2 mafia alive -- mafia win.
13%: KK, 1 mafia, and SK alive -- mexican standoff.
20%: KK + 1 other townie, 1 mafia, and SK alive -- mexican standoff.
3%: KK + 1 other townie, 2 mafia, and SK alive -- lynch town or SK and lose, then hope the mafia and SK shoot each other.
20%: KK + 1 other townie and 1 mafia alive -- LyLo.
7%: KK + 1 other townie and SK alive -- LyLo.
7%: KK + 2 other townies and 1 mafia alive -- MyLo.
3%: KK + 2 other townies alive -- town win.
Incidentally, @The Enchantress
If you're not Tom, then study those odds. You should realize that it's in your best interest to side with the town Tonight and shoot mafia: if you shoot town, there's a 67% chance that you'll lose immediately (33% is you dying and 33% is the mafia controlling the lynch and winning); if you shoot mafia, there's only a 33% chance (you dying). So, if you're not Karn, please shoot Karn. If you are Karn, then...I really don't know. I'm conflicted on Stardust.
Does anyone other than Karn want me to claim my one-shot? Given how Karn's reacted toDay, I don't particularly care to oblige him. I do believe that it is irrelevant going forward, since it failed regardless -- but if Stardust, TMCT, or Kosa want to claim it, I will.
I want you to claim on the condition that both Stardust and Karn full claim before you. Which is unlikely to happen with Twilight ending in less than 12 hours.
Karn doesn't really need to claim since he's 99% scum at this point. I've claimed as much as I intend to today, which is so close to a full-claim that it really shouldn't matter. Suffice it to say that your number crunch may not be accurate.
TMCT, does your ability have any effect at this point? You're talking like there are no protective roles left, which has me scratching my head.
Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Interesting... Anything to say about the consequences of your 'confirmation' Kosa?
I agree that Tom has been super shifty. He is still not acting at all like town!Tom. I want to hear from him toDay, and I think some pressure needs applied there to get him to talk.
Vote Tom
Tom (2): Sir Karn, Arianrhod (L-0)
That is a lynch. 48 hours for Twilight.
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wut
or actually just tomorrow for all I care, as long as stardust claims before night
You got anything to say about that "evidence"?
These are questions for you, TMCT. ^
Sure, it's a PM from Iso. Not a PM stating "you stopped the mafia NK" but something to that effect.
My read and case on Wheat were garbage and I made an ineffective Night action. Hence, "terrible."
You mean the flavorgaming that said Asenion wasn't the NK? Like you won't accept?
This is so many kinds of wrong. It makes more sense that the mod is a bastard and lied about KK being town? Really?
When I full-claim, sure. I absolutely won't claim before the following players:
Stardust
Sir Karn
Arianrhod is in my blind spot so I'd like to see him claim first, too.
I haven't been having much time recently and probably won't in the next while so I'll throw down my reads now:
Kosa is probably town only because of the mod confirmation
Seppel is probably town
Arianrhod I don't know why so many people think he's town, he doesn't seem to be doing much
Sir Karn is probably scum for the reasons kosa pointed out + defensiveness
I'm not sure about TMCT, Rhand or Stardust. I haven't reviewed for a while and these reads are just from what i remember.
Good call, Tom.
I'm not being very defensive at all. Kosa's "reasons" (I don't even think you can call them that) are awful.
Could you review for us before you die? If you actually are town it would help us.
Lol oops. Shows how much I'm out of it.
Also then upon my death we are down to 6 alive players. How many baddies are left? 3? This doesn't look good.
Sure you are. Also Kosa's reasons are legit.
Gettouta here. It's not "us". You are not town. I don't know why people never took your predecessor's scum slip more seriously.
Your innocent question asking attitude is ridiculous, after you just randomly hopped on my wagon and killed me. Why didn't you vote me earlier today? Why did you wait? Did you forget about your scum read on me?
Why did you not even attempt to unvote after Iso's lynch announcement?
Anyway, I think TMCT is town from gut and Rhand / Stardust are leaning scum from PoE. You are scum. Arian is also leaning scum.
@TMCT: Why "cool"? Anyway, the only thing I left out about my role I don't think is real relevant. My day kill could have been anonymous. I just had to PM Iso and he'd make the kill without revealing that I had done it. However I thought doing that seemed rather silly when if I ever had to reveal that I had done it I would look very scummy.
If you do not claim before Night and Tom flips town, I'll shoot you.
Ah, so you have a killshot then.
Why'd you kill Void?
I don't have to explain **** to you. I'm mod-confirmed town. You're scum.
I'm not worried about nightkills.
*hinting at my claim*
I want Stardust's answers before I full claim.
lol.
Never heard of a bulletproof townie?
Only if you're flavorgaming
Oh, and cool thing you totally ignored your behavioral slip up there.
And we still don't know why Tom is getting lynched.
FLAVORGAMING!
Oh, so NOW flavorgaming isn't reliable? But wasn't it like über-reliable before?
Lol I don't even
I wouldn't put it past Iso to have 3 bulletproof-ish abilities in the game, especially when some are one-shot.
You don't detect sarcasm well.
They were such dumb questions that I thought the answers were obvious and you were just OMGUSing me. But okay:
The vote is not "random" when you even admit that I already had a scum read on you.
As for "Why did you wait?": Less than 24 hours into the Day is waiting a long time? lol.
unvotes/votes aren't counted after a lynch. It would be useless.
Explanations would be cool.
Okay, Kosa, I take it you didn't kill Seppel? Taking away the flavour, I thought Void would have been the mafia nightkill and Seppel killed by something else (presumably you since I knew you had a shot). But Seppel's kill mentions the knight, so I think that was their choice. Void was killed for some other reason. You really have no idea why Void died?
The kill flavour is very different, but it's possible the Enchantress killed Void I suppose. If it wasn't her, I'm probably the reason she didn't get a kill off (either that or I completely wasted it). I used my untargetable shot last night. I'm not a cop, I'm something of a jack-of-all-trades, 1 shot cop, 1 shot untargetable and 1 shot something else. I don't see the point in claiming that final ability since I'll be using it tonight. It's defensive as well. Details tomorrow.
Stormblind was pretty scummy, but Sir Karn is very likely scum after this weekend. He should be the lynch tomorrow - but don't rush it!!
What else...TMCT is fine the way he is. We'll mass claim tomorrow with everyone included fully.
Because Rhand is town and you and Silver aren't.
And if you actually claimed bulletproof maybe then I would have pushed him to claim. Knowing it's defensive is good enough for now, I think.
No it's not, because Kosa is town. Iso is not that big a bastard.
Kosa, please do shoot Sir Karn if you're able.
... Void's death really bugs me and is the main thing I wanted to delve into today. The orphan flavour, the lack of explanation... I'm just going to keep assuming Iso's not lying to us, but if Kosa is scum I'm going to be pissed.
Apparently Karn is scum, which isn't that surprising given his predecessor. Curious how that makes me also scum, but it's whatever.
No idea how in the **** Tom is lynched. Guessing Karn has some kind of a quicklynch ability, which is moderately horrifying this late in the game. Agreed that Kosa should shoot Karn if able.
Has Rhand posted ANYTHING toDay?
Current thoughts:
1. Rhand - Has been kind of a question mark in my head. Remains so, which is odd this late in the game.
2. Tom - I believe scum or SK. We'll know soon enough.
3. The Most Curious Thing - Actually likely town. I've liked his posts toDay, and by PoE he seems unlikely to be anti-town.
4. Kosakosa - Supposedly confirmed Town, but this whole thing with Void dying last night is really confusing, as is his seeming unwillingness to elucidate the circumstances surrounding himself.
5. Arianrhod - hi.
12. Sir Karn - Obv scum. Shoot him toNight or lynch him Tomorrow.
13. Stardust - Very likely town. His pseudo-claim yesterDay with subsequent actual claim toDay is a very townie move.
Does anyone other than Karn want me to claim my one-shot? Given how Karn's reacted toDay, I don't particularly care to oblige him. I do believe that it is irrelevant going forward, since it failed regardless -- but if Stardust, TMCT, or Kosa want to claim it, I will.
(congrats on the top 32, by the way!)
Rhand is V/LA unfortunately. He should be getting back just as we go to Night here.
I really hope you're right about Tom. His post-death posts are making me quite doubtful at this point.
Assuming that a) Tom is town, b) there are 3 town, 2 mafia, and a SK left after that, c) the mafia and SK both get shots Tonight and fire at a random player outside their faction, and d) no other abilities -- apart from KK's bulletproof -- take effect, here's what we face Tomorrow:
17%: KK, 2 mafia, and SK alive -- town loss.
17%: KK + 1 other townie and 2 mafia alive -- mafia win.
33%: KK + 1 other townie, 1 mafia, and SK alive -- mexican standoff.
17%: KK + 1 other townie, 2 mafia, and SK alive -- lynch town or SK and lose, then hope the mafia and SK shoot each other.
17%: KK + 2 other townies and 1 mafia alive -- MyLo.
If a townie has a vig shot for some reason then those abysmal odds do improve somewhat, even firing randomly.
10%: KK, 2 mafia, and SK alive -- town loss.
7%: KK and 2 mafia alive -- mafia win.
10%: KK + 1 other townie and 2 mafia alive -- mafia win.
13%: KK, 1 mafia, and SK alive -- mexican standoff.
20%: KK + 1 other townie, 1 mafia, and SK alive -- mexican standoff.
3%: KK + 1 other townie, 2 mafia, and SK alive -- lynch town or SK and lose, then hope the mafia and SK shoot each other.
20%: KK + 1 other townie and 1 mafia alive -- LyLo.
7%: KK + 1 other townie and SK alive -- LyLo.
7%: KK + 2 other townies and 1 mafia alive -- MyLo.
3%: KK + 2 other townies alive -- town win.
Incidentally,
@The Enchantress
If you're not Tom, then study those odds. You should realize that it's in your best interest to side with the town Tonight and shoot mafia: if you shoot town, there's a 67% chance that you'll lose immediately (33% is you dying and 33% is the mafia controlling the lynch and winning); if you shoot mafia, there's only a 33% chance (you dying). So, if you're not Karn, please shoot Karn. If you are Karn, then...I really don't know. I'm conflicted on Stardust.
I want you to claim on the condition that both Stardust and Karn full claim before you. Which is unlikely to happen with Twilight ending in less than 12 hours.
TMCT, does your ability have any effect at this point? You're talking like there are no protective roles left, which has me scratching my head.
Also, what do you think of Silver?
TMCT was lying about his claim. How many times do I have to point that it?