These last few posts from EtR feel so sincere, I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch. But in a sense, EtR himself is keeping my vote on him. He's right in saying that we have no other clear suspects. Certainly nobody with a great case made against them. The only thing in the past few posts from EtR that I don't like is him saying that it would be okay if I died, but I think that's just because I don't want to die. I'm not sure what my point really is here, as I've been drinking a bit tonight, but mostly I just wanted to put it out there that the last few posts from EtR are making me a bit nervous.
Would you mind explaining why you don't want to die without revealing information about your role?
That's not why I don't want to die. I don't want to die because I'm enjoying the game. If I were brought to claim-range I would obviously claim.
Also, I'd like to make it clear that I still believe EtR is scum. It's only in his last few posts that he's felt less scummy. I do however still support this lynch.
Uhm... I added the role information at the end of the question so that you didn't mistakenly give out any role information. I did not say nor mean that your role was the reason why you didn't want to die... I'm not sure you purposely misrepresented what I said or you truly believe that I meant your role was the reason for being However, you're response was more telling about you than what I was expecting.
You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well.
@dan is what a good idea? backing off the EtR lynch? lynching a town is always a bad idea.
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I read the entire thread today with special focus on my main FoS's: Void, LoT, EtR, and Cyouni. Given LoT's willingness to lynch EtR while expressing doubt that he's scum sparked what follows.
Voting people because "they annoy you?" And even worse, as soon as you're called out, you vote the person who called you out on it. Scummy, scummy, scum.
Voting people because "they annoy you?" And even worse, as soon as you're called out, you vote the person who called you out on it. Scummy, scummy, scum.
Why do you believe scum are more likely to vote people who annoy them than townies are?
It's more that I see it as an awful reason to vote, at least outside of RVS.
My posting may be less regular for a few days, as I seem to have the flu. I'll try to check in at least once a day.
This is similar to what's happening now with the imminent EtR lynch - voting people without explicitly thinking they're scum.
You are very eager to know why you are name-claiming, but not interested enough to refuse Seppel. Why are you so interested in appeasing the request of one person?
Because the request came from town, so complying is helping a townie to further their understanding of the game. That can only help the town. I'm eager to know why simply because it bothers me that people are seeing things that I'm not, and it's a bit frustrating to me that I can't figure it out.
You seem too eager to let us know that what you are doing is pro-town.
The problem for me is that the exchange between LoT and Void regarding my annoyance vote for Void way back was drawn out enough that I'm not entirely sure they're scum buddies. I'll go through Void's posts tomorrow and hopefully render a verdict.
You are very eager to know why you are name-claiming, but not interested enough to refuse Seppel. Why are you so interested in appeasing the request of one person?
Because the request came from town, so complying is helping a townie to further their understanding of the game. That can only help the town. I'm eager to know why simply because it bothers me that people are seeing things that I'm not, and it's a bit frustrating to me that I can't figure it out.
While it's much more likely than not that Seppel is town, I really don't buy your reasoning as coming from a town perspective. You're just coming across as trying to be cooperative, and it smells of inside information on Seppel to boot.
These last few posts from EtR feel so sincere, I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch. But in a sense, EtR himself is keeping my vote on him. He's right in saying that we have no other clear suspects. Certainly nobody with a great case made against them. The only thing in the past few posts from EtR that I don't like is him saying that it would be okay if I died, but I think that's just because I don't want to die. I'm not sure what my point really is here, as I've been drinking a bit tonight, but mostly I just wanted to put it out there that the last few posts from EtR are making me a bit nervous.
Oh gosh, can you get more fence-sitty? What's that saying about alcohol lowering your inhibitions? Think we're witnessing an implosion.
On top of this sudden offering up of himself by LoT, I'll note that EtR's behavior here is not matching what I've seen from scum EtR in recent games. Despite a clear tone of him sounding defeated, he hasn't self-voted or conceded that the jig is up.
He's genuinely upset that his case was *about* to do him in.
We've plenty of time to turn this around, and gain information on EtR as well if LoT flips scum.
Unvote EtR, Vote Lord of Tresserhorn
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Not a specific post, but just the Rhand issue in general. I really thought I had him pegged and when it spun back I just melted down and kept pushing were I should have stepped back and re-evaluated. I still have some bad vibes from Rhand, but if I had been thinking right I would have looked at what was happening with my wagon and pursued that more.
What happened to "Rhand is obv scum, this isn't the Rhand I remember, etc."?
The request for a name claim came from Seppel. Seeing as Seppel entered the game by vigging scum, and scum that nobody was looking into at the moment at that, I would say that Seppel is as close to confirmed town as we're going to get at the moment. So at this point I take a request from Seppel as a request from town.
Because Seppel killed scum you believe him to be town. While the razor does point in that direction Seppel is far from confirmed town.
Would you please list your top suspects for me?
You're getting close to the world record of worst mafia posts in a single game of mafia.
Where is the factually inaccurate info inside Void's post? That is, from Void's point of view.
Also I want to know your reason for unvoting Eron.
@Tom: Seppel walked in and vigged a completely off-the-radar scum, then started providing real analysis when there were still 6-8 players basically acting like buffoons.
These last few posts from EtR feel so sincere, I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch. But in a sense, EtR himself is keeping my vote on him. He's right in saying that we have no other clear suspects. Certainly nobody with a great case made against them. The only thing in the past few posts from EtR that I don't like is him saying that it would be okay if I died, but I think that's just because I don't want to die. I'm not sure what my point really is here, as I've been drinking a bit tonight, but mostly I just wanted to put it out there that the last few posts from EtR are making me a bit nervous.
Would you mind explaining why you don't want to die without revealing information about your role?
That's not why I don't want to die. I don't want to die because I'm enjoying the game. If I were brought to claim-range I would obviously claim.
Also, I'd like to make it clear that I still believe EtR is scum. It's only in his last few posts that he's felt less scummy. I do however still support this lynch.
Uhm... I added the role information at the end of the question so that you didn't mistakenly give out any role information. I did not say nor mean that your role was the reason why you didn't want to die... I'm not sure you purposely misrepresented what I said or you truly believe that I meant your role was the reason for being However, you're response was more telling about you than what I was expecting.
You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well.
Unvote Vote: LoT
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I totally read that part about role information wrong. Now I see what you meant there. My response about not wanting to die still stands though.
EtR's posts looking sincere is why he seems less scummy than before. I haven't changed my position on EtR because it's going to take more than a few good posts to outweigh what preceded them. In other words, I went from being something like 90% sure EtR is scum to being around 80%. It doesn't make EtR not scum, it makes me a little less certain. 80% is pretty sure, but not so sure that I don't fear the outcome if I'm wrong.
My top suspect is EtR still, and the reasoning is still the case on Rhand and the response to criticism of that case.
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Explain please, as well as why Void's post was bad (as I asked you to do earlier).
Void just made another bad post because it was based on factually inaccurate information.
Need to sleep. Look it up yourself.
Well, this was your post and Void's post you quoted:
No, where he JUST said this: "You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well."
The request for a name claim came from Seppel. Seeing as Seppel entered the game by vigging scum, and scum that nobody was looking into at the moment at that, I would say that Seppel is as close to confirmed town as we're going to get at the moment. So at this point I take a request from Seppel as a request from town.
Because Seppel killed scum you believe him to be town. While the razor does point in that direction Seppel is far from confirmed town.
Would you please list your top suspects for me?
You're getting close to the world record of worst mafia posts in a single game of mafia.
Where is the factually inaccurate info inside Void's post? That is, from Void's point of view.
No, that one is just terrible because I'm pretty much confirmed town.
These last few posts from EtR feel so sincere, I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch. But in a sense, EtR himself is keeping my vote on him. He's right in saying that we have no other clear suspects. Certainly nobody with a great case made against them. The only thing in the past few posts from EtR that I don't like is him saying that it would be okay if I died, but I think that's just because I don't want to die. I'm not sure what my point really is here, as I've been drinking a bit tonight, but mostly I just wanted to put it out there that the last few posts from EtR are making me a bit nervous.
Would you mind explaining why you don't want to die without revealing information about your role?
That's not why I don't want to die. I don't want to die because I'm enjoying the game. If I were brought to claim-range I would obviously claim.
Also, I'd like to make it clear that I still believe EtR is scum. It's only in his last few posts that he's felt less scummy. I do however still support this lynch.
Uhm... I added the role information at the end of the question so that you didn't mistakenly give out any role information. I did not say nor mean that your role was the reason why you didn't want to die... I'm not sure you purposely misrepresented what I said or you truly believe that I meant your role was the reason for being However, you're response was more telling about you than what I was expecting.
You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well.
Unvote Vote: LoT
Please list your top suspects with reasoning.
I totally read that part about role information wrong. Now I see what you meant there. My response about not wanting to die still stands though.
EtR's posts looking sincere is why he seems less scummy than before. I haven't changed my position on EtR because it's going to take more than a few good posts to outweigh what preceded them. In other words, I went from being something like 90% sure EtR is scum to being around 80%. It doesn't make EtR not scum, it makes me a little less certain. 80% is pretty sure, but not so sure that I don't fear the outcome if I'm wrong.
My top suspect is EtR still, and the reasoning is still the case on Rhand and the response to criticism of that case.
Why are you using the same percentages that Seppel has used?
Explain please, as well as why Void's post was bad (as I asked you to do earlier).
Void just made another bad post because it was based on factually inaccurate information.
Need to sleep. Look it up yourself.
Well, this was your post and Void's post you quoted:
No, where he JUST said this: "You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well."
The request for a name claim came from Seppel. Seeing as Seppel entered the game by vigging scum, and scum that nobody was looking into at the moment at that, I would say that Seppel is as close to confirmed town as we're going to get at the moment. So at this point I take a request from Seppel as a request from town.
Because Seppel killed scum you believe him to be town. While the razor does point in that direction Seppel is far from confirmed town.
Would you please list your top suspects for me?
You're getting close to the world record of worst mafia posts in a single game of mafia.
Where is the factually inaccurate info inside Void's post? That is, from Void's point of view.
No, that one is just terrible because I'm pretty much confirmed town.
Also I want to know your reason for unvoting Eron.
He AtE me out.
Seppel, I put you at the skill level of Kpaca and when I think of Kpaca it reminds me of the Cop Gambit he pulled in zindabad's Seasons Mafia. It was a rather complex gambit (that I nearly botched) and won the game for the scum team. That being said, I am not ruling the possibilty that you could have used your Day Vig to gain town credence for yourself as scum.
I have you as leaning town, but I am also keeping an eye on you as well.
These last few posts from EtR feel so sincere, I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch. But in a sense, EtR himself is keeping my vote on him. He's right in saying that we have no other clear suspects. Certainly nobody with a great case made against them. The only thing in the past few posts from EtR that I don't like is him saying that it would be okay if I died, but I think that's just because I don't want to die. I'm not sure what my point really is here, as I've been drinking a bit tonight, but mostly I just wanted to put it out there that the last few posts from EtR are making me a bit nervous.
I also don't like this post for the reasons that have been mentioned already. I took a look back at LoT's original vote on me. I called him scum when he originally made the vote for how opportunistic it looked. This post kinda validated it for me. The exchanges after didn't help any. It felt a lot like backpedaling. Unvote Meggido; Vote Lord of Tresserhorn
@dan is what a good idea? backing off the EtR lynch? lynching a town is always a bad idea.
Unvote
I read the entire thread today with special focus on my main FoS's: Void, LoT, EtR, and Cyouni. Given LoT's willingness to lynch EtR while expressing doubt that he's scum sparked what follows.
This also feels like a scummy unvote; The push against LoT is also pretty bad. It feels more like bussing.
Not a specific post, but just the Rhand issue in general. I really thought I had him pegged and when it spun back I just melted down and kept pushing were I should have stepped back and re-evaluated. I still have some bad vibes from Rhand, but if I had been thinking right I would have looked at what was happening with my wagon and pursued that more.
What happened to "Rhand is obv scum, this isn't the Rhand I remember, etc."?
I still don't like Rhand (not personally just in this game. I think he's a swell guy) but once I realized that Wessel was saying my case is bad it's given me pause. Wessel is in all the games with Rhand that I'm in and if he's disagreeing, then I'm probably barking up the wrong tree.
These last few posts from EtR feel so sincere, I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch.
But in a sense, EtR himself is keeping my vote on him. He's right in saying that we have no other clear suspects. Certainly nobody with a great case made against them.
The only thing in the past few posts from EtR that I don't like is him saying that it would be okay if I died, but I think that's just because I don't want to die.
I'm not sure what my point really is here, as I've been drinking a bit tonight, but mostly I just wanted to put it out there that the last few posts from EtR are making me a bit nervous.
Let's break this down carefully.
Sentence #1: The important part here is "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch." I'll come back to this later.
Sentence #2-4: Note how there's nothing here about EtR being scum. Tresserhorn's voting EtR for the reason that "we have no other clear suspects". No thought of scumhunting at all. He's looking for "great cases" to barn.
Sentence #5: Null, due to the fact that newb town and scum alike are afraid of dying.
Sentence #6: The reinforcing of "a bit nervous about the EtR lynch". This sentence is mainly why I'm pretty sure that if Tresserhorn is scum, EtR is town. He's pushing away from the lynch just enough to make his doubts look legitimate, but not enough to derail it. It makes him look better if EtR comes up town. On another note, it also leaves him open to switch to another wagon if he so chooses - there's no certainty behind his post.
I totally read that part about role information wrong. Now I see what you meant there. My response about not wanting to die still stands though.
EtR's posts looking sincere is why he seems less scummy than before. I haven't changed my position on EtR because it's going to take more than a few good posts to outweigh what preceded them. In other words, I went from being something like 90% sure EtR is scum to being around 80%. It doesn't make EtR not scum, it makes me a little less certain. 80% is pretty sure, but not so sure that I don't fear the outcome if I'm wrong.
My top suspect is EtR still, and the reasoning is still the case on Rhand and the response to criticism of that case.
Why are you using the same percentages that Seppel has used?
What relevance does that have?
Also, you still need to answer the question as to why you stated that "Santorum made a jump in logic regarding Anak's slip" and "I believe Anak's slip referred to scum daychat".
Also, you still need to answer the question as to why you stated that "Santorum made a jump in logic regarding Anak's slip" and "I believe Anak's slip referred to scum daychat".
It's not to gain a further read. It's more of a curoisity.
I haven't answered that question because I don't know how to explain it any better than I already have and the explanations I have provided to you have not been satisfactory at all.
(I really need to find a way for me to explain the details of my thoughts better.)
@Tom: Seppel walked in and vigged a completely off-the-radar scum, then started providing real analysis when there were still 6-8 players basically acting like buffoons.
How much more do you want?
The real analysis is why I have Seppel leaning town. His killing of CaptainT (who was on the radar) is almost completely null.
No, where he JUST said this: "You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well."
That's not an accurate timeline.
I'm having trouble following this, can you please use actual quotes?
No, that one is just terrible because I'm pretty much confirmed town.
Do you think you should be confirmed town from Void's point of view?
I don't friggen know how you keep getting my name wrong every time >_>
Unless you're doing it on purpose; in which case, please stop.
Tis your own fault
Having 2 three letter words with one having a capital last letter and the other not and neither word being an actual word... it's a recipe for people not spelling it right.
Anyway, I guess I CAN lynch Eron at any time after all.
I was more worried about the 'a' in my name than the capitalization.
Sorry guys, I asked for a couple days but professor assigned another homework which will be due the same day our first homework was due.
I'm definitely not going to be able to the the FOUR new pages of fun stuff or make a decent post until the end of this weekend, if I'm lucky.
@Mod I don't want to be replaced by Iso just yet; Just give me some time, I swear I'll catch up.
Will post tomorrow after deciding what I think regarding the Eron/LoT recent happenings.
My initial reads had them as scum together. It's still at least possible, with them attempting to distance and get one of them cleared via false dichotomy.
But I need to be less drugged up from having some dental work done to actually think clearly.
That is the real reason. That and his play has become surprisingly stronger since he was run up. There are still a few things that bug me about him, so he's got an eye of scrutiny on him.
No, where he JUST said this: "You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well."
That's not an accurate timeline.
I'm having trouble following this, can you please use actual quotes?
That's the entire post, and it's like one page away. My time to do stuff has been severely limited, so I'm sure you know how to use Ctrl+F.
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I didn't respond to the other part because I didn't believe nessicary to continue in a circle on how you reacted. I've said what I have said on the matter and don't feel that I need to explain anymore than I already have. Just like how you're keeping an eye on me I am doing the same to you.
But you quoted part of what I said, and it was the less relevant part. I was expecting you to come back and say "Sorry, I misread your post and didn't notice that the second part was also addressed to me." The fact that you're trying to defend your choice of quotes strikes me as odd.
I agree with Void; while I have Seppel as leaning town, he is far from confirmed town. Recent opinions that point to Seppel being 100% town bother me. My opinion of him will be much more effected by how Eron flips.
Really? Seppel leading a wagon on Town!Eron would hold more weight with you than Seppel day-vigging scum?
Uhm... I added the role information at the end of the question so that you didn't mistakenly give out any role information. I did not say nor mean that your role was the reason why you didn't want to die... I'm not sure you purposely misrepresented what I said or you truly believe that I meant your role was the reason for being However, you're response was more telling about you than what I was expecting.
For the record, I read your post the same way LoT did.
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Off no rereads at all, I don't see a reason to lynch EtR - he was reasonably townie in what I think he believed to be his last posts. LoT has made a couple bad posts, notably the fence-sitty one that Cyouni broke down. I am more on board with the LoT wagon than EtR, with my main reservation being Void. I've got a bad opinion of Void, and I don't think he and LoT are scumbuddies based on interactions between them. Again, though, I haven't reread to actually base this on anything.
I've even lost track of where I'm voting right now. I will unvote if I was previously voting, vote: Void to register my suspicion.
Off no rereads at all, I don't see a reason to lynch EtR - he was reasonably townie in what I think he believed to be his last posts. LoT has made a couple bad posts, notably the fence-sitty one that Cyouni broke down. I am more on board with the LoT wagon than EtR, with my main reservation being Void. I've got a bad opinion of Void, and I don't think he and LoT are scumbuddies based on interactions between them. Again, though, I haven't reread to actually base this on anything.
I've even lost track of where I'm voting right now. I will unvote if I was previously voting, vote: Void to register my suspicion.
If Tresserhorn flips scum, there's a part where both he and Tyzmo react in a panicked fashion to the suggested lynching of Void. Due to that, I wanted to hold off on Void until I could see Tresserhorn's flip.
I agree with Void; while I have Seppel as leaning town, he is far from confirmed town. Recent opinions that point to Seppel being 100% town bother me. My opinion of him will be much more effected by how Eron flips.
Really? Seppel leading a wagon on Town!Eron would hold more weight with you than Seppel day-vigging scum?
Seppel daykilling CaptainT is almost completely null, as I said previously.
What I meant about my opinion being more affected by Eron's flip is that if Eron flipped scum I'd be almost positive Seppel is town.
The request for a name claim came from Seppel. Seeing as Seppel entered the game by vigging scum, and scum that nobody was looking into at the moment at that, I would say that Seppel is as close to confirmed town as we're going to get at the moment. So at this point I take a request from Seppel as a request from town.
Because Seppel killed scum you believe him to be town. While the razor does point in that direction Seppel is far from confirmed town.
Would you please list your top suspects for me?
Unvote, vote Void. The way this is worded, you seem to be trying to paint LoT's decision that Seppel is town because he killed scum as a bad thing. No, Seppel is not CONFIRMED, sure. But what other conclusion should we come to for someone on D1 who killed a scum?
This all just feels like you're trying to take town points from people who earned them, is what I'm trying to say.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
But what other conclusion should we come to for someone on D1 who killed a scum?
That it is an almost completely null tell...
That's a pretty absurd statement. What do you base it on? It's not like LoT was on the verge of being lynched.
Let me be clear, the possibility of Seppel replacing in and shooting a buddy for town points exists, but should be remote enough to push it far above a null tell.
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But what other conclusion should we come to for someone on D1 who killed a scum?
That it is an almost completely null tell...
That's a pretty absurd statement. What do you base it on? It's not like LoT was on the verge of being lynched.
What does LoT have to do with this? I think you may mean CaptainT?
I think it is a almost a null tell because Seppel's play would have been a smart scum move as well. I might have done the same thing were I scum. In fact, I bet I would, because I doubt I'd want to enter the game slaughtering a townie. I don't see why the possibility is so remote.
From a townSeppel perspective it all works out fine; he gets a good read and makes a good kill.
From a scumSeppel perspective it does as well; CaptainT isn't doing so great, so kill him in order to earn some "town points" (that is, assuming the town doesn't take it as a null tell, which is so far how it's been going). While at it, casually throw out your role name to get it cleared as townie, even though you are Adolf Hitler...
It seems like it would be a decent play to make from either alignment, so I don't think it should be regarded as a 100% town move. Arguing that CaptainT wasn't close to being lynched just brings up a bunch of WIFOM, because scumSeppel could see that himself and use it to convince more people he is town (which has clearly been working if people were swayed by that).
The reason why I say 'almost' a null tell is because I've been under the impression that town daykillers are more common than scum daykillers. If that is the case I suppose it would be more likely Seppel is town.
And to avoid confusion, I am most certainly leaning town on Seppel, due to his analysis so far this game. But I strongly disagree with all these "I trust Seppel" "Seppel is confirmed town" "Seppel is 19034% town" comments, that are mostly due to his daykill.
I understand your reasoning, but I don't think it matches with the kill as a null tell. Consider that you say it doesn't make Seppel 100 percent town, which I and most people seem to agree with, along with the fact that you are leaning town on Seppel yourself. If the kill is a complete null tell for you, what leads to your leaning town read?
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Apart from the fact both those posts don't infer that they think Seppel is 100% town, it's funny that in this same post you quote gan_dan saying Seppel is 19034% obvtown (which is more of , but forget about it to link me to it.
Unvote, vote Void. The way this is worded, you seem to be trying to paint LoT's decision that Seppel is town because he killed scum as a bad thing. No, Seppel is not CONFIRMED, sure. But what other conclusion should we come to for someone on D1 who killed a scum?
This all just feels like you're trying to take town points from people who earned them, is what I'm trying to say.
I've just discovered we have a deadline in 5 days.
This is a PTAP; I've been busy lately, my apologies. I'll see what I can do about content posts as soon as I take care of this thing for my class. Shouldn't take too long.
While I'm here, I think Tom is almost certainly town. He's being extremely bullheaded and is just wrong about a lot of stuff, which is his usual town M.O.
The request for a name claim came from Seppel. Seeing as Seppel entered the game by vigging scum, and scum that nobody was looking into at the moment at that, I would say that Seppel is as close to confirmed town as we're going to get at the moment. So at this point I take a request from Seppel as a request from town.
Because Seppel killed scum you believe him to be town. While the razor does point in that direction Seppel is far from confirmed town.
Would you please list your top suspects for me?
Unvote, vote Void. The way this is worded, you seem to be trying to paint LoT's decision that Seppel is town because he killed scum as a bad thing. No, Seppel is not CONFIRMED, sure. But what other conclusion should we come to for someone on D1 who killed a scum?
This all just feels like you're trying to take town points from people who earned them, is what I'm trying to say.
This reads to me like KJ is trying to distract everyone from LoT. I think depending on how LoT flips this may speak well of Void.
Apart from the fact both those posts don't infer that they think Seppel is 100% town, it's funny that in this same post you quote gan_dan saying Seppel is 19034% obvtown (which is more of , but forget about it to link me to it. Anyway, can you tell me why I get the impression you were just looking for arguments to back up your claim?
I didn't include gan_dan's posts because they came after your question, so it seemed like it would be defeating the purpose.
And you are probably getting that impression because that was what I was doing; looking for the posts where people had considered Seppel far more town than they should have.
While I'm here, I think Tom is almost certainly town. He's being extremely bullheaded and is just wrong about a lot of stuff, which is his usual town M.O.
Colors mean nothing in this post. I just want to see how people moved.
ON THE ERON WAGON: Seppel, LoT, Voxx, Rhand, Wessel, JeY, Swish, Alpha, Rick/Megs
ON THE LOT WAGON: Void, Alpha, Eron, Cyouni, Tom
ON THE VOID WAGON: RobRoy, Killjoy
ON NO WAGON: Anaklusmos, Lennon
...wow. Nobody but Alpha moved from Eron to either of the new wagons. This is a real head-scratcher.
Before I killed Tzymo we had votes everywhere...
Anaklusmos (4) Killjoy, Void, Rhand, Tom
Teh JeY (2) Cyouni, Alphainsidious
Void (2) Rick Santorum, Swishh
Swishh (2) Cythare, Lord of Tresserhorn
EtR (2) Tom, Voxxicus
Rhand (2) Lennonmint80, Eron
Lennonmint80 (1) Anaklusmos
Cyouni (1) Teh JeY
Cythare (1) Robroy
Not Voting (2) Seppel, Wessel
I'm going to think about this for a bit.
Also @Mod: Anaklusmos (last post 7 days ago) and Lennon (last post 19! days ago) need to be replaced.
Uhm... I added the role information at the end of the question so that you didn't mistakenly give out any role information. I did not say nor mean that your role was the reason why you didn't want to die... I'm not sure you purposely misrepresented what I said or you truly believe that I meant your role was the reason for being However, you're response was more telling about you than what I was expecting.
You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well.
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Vote: LoT
Please list your top suspects with reasoning.
Is this a good idea with the deadline <8 days away?
Swishh, Teh Jey probably both inexperienced town. Cythare looks midly scummy with responses to RR (oh...)
I'm gonna have to actually take notes. Stupid big games.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModStuff in my next post, and I sincerely hope it doesn't mean I'm screwed for my assignment tomorrow.
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I read the entire thread today with special focus on my main FoS's: Void, LoT, EtR, and Cyouni. Given LoT's willingness to lynch EtR while expressing doubt that he's scum sparked what follows.
If Void is scum too, LoT is concerned about a scumbuddy lynch.
I dangled fruit in your face and you bit.
This is similar to what's happening now with the imminent EtR lynch - voting people without explicitly thinking they're scum.
You seem too eager to let us know that what you are doing is pro-town.
The problem for me is that the exchange between LoT and Void regarding my annoyance vote for Void way back was drawn out enough that I'm not entirely sure they're scum buddies. I'll go through Void's posts tomorrow and hopefully render a verdict.
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Non-Staff Quasi-Mod...Explain.
These kind of comments are what make mafia unfun. I don't need your unnecessary rudeness.
I feel like there were more, but here are what I could find right now: 383, 438
I don't like this post.
Explain please, as well as why Void's post was bad (as I asked you to do earlier).
The GJ way path to no lynching:
While it's much more likely than not that Seppel is town, I really don't buy your reasoning as coming from a town perspective. You're just coming across as trying to be cooperative, and it smells of inside information on Seppel to boot.
Oh gosh, can you get more fence-sitty? What's that saying about alcohol lowering your inhibitions? Think we're witnessing an implosion.
On top of this sudden offering up of himself by LoT, I'll note that EtR's behavior here is not matching what I've seen from scum EtR in recent games. Despite a clear tone of him sounding defeated, he hasn't self-voted or conceded that the jig is up.
He's genuinely upset that his case was *about* to do him in.
We've plenty of time to turn this around, and gain information on EtR as well if LoT flips scum.
Unvote EtR, Vote Lord of Tresserhorn
What happened to "Rhand is obv scum, this isn't the Rhand I remember, etc."?
For some perspective, Tzymo was around 90%.
Void just made another bad post because it was based on factually inaccurate information.
Need to sleep. Look it up yourself.
Well, this was your post and Void's post you quoted:
Where is the factually inaccurate info inside Void's post? That is, from Void's point of view.
Also I want to know your reason for unvoting Eron.
How much more do you want?
I totally read that part about role information wrong. Now I see what you meant there. My response about not wanting to die still stands though.
EtR's posts looking sincere is why he seems less scummy than before. I haven't changed my position on EtR because it's going to take more than a few good posts to outweigh what preceded them. In other words, I went from being something like 90% sure EtR is scum to being around 80%. It doesn't make EtR not scum, it makes me a little less certain. 80% is pretty sure, but not so sure that I don't fear the outcome if I'm wrong.
My top suspect is EtR still, and the reasoning is still the case on Rhand and the response to criticism of that case.
No, where he JUST said this: "You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well."
That's not an accurate timeline.
No, that one is just terrible because I'm pretty much confirmed town.
He AtE me out.
Why are you using the same percentages that Seppel has used?
Eron is your only scum read. Good to know.
Seppel, I put you at the skill level of Kpaca and when I think of Kpaca it reminds me of the Cop Gambit he pulled in zindabad's Seasons Mafia. It was a rather complex gambit (that I nearly botched) and won the game for the scum team. That being said, I am not ruling the possibilty that you could have used your Day Vig to gain town credence for yourself as scum.
I have you as leaning town, but I am also keeping an eye on you as well.
Scum Chat from Seasons Mafia.
I hope I feel better tomorrow.
I also don't like this post for the reasons that have been mentioned already. I took a look back at LoT's original vote on me. I called him scum when he originally made the vote for how opportunistic it looked. This post kinda validated it for me. The exchanges after didn't help any. It felt a lot like backpedaling. Unvote Meggido; Vote Lord of Tresserhorn
This also feels like a scummy unvote; The push against LoT is also pretty bad. It feels more like bussing.
I still don't like Rhand (not personally just in this game. I think he's a swell guy) but once I realized that Wessel was saying my case is bad it's given me pause. Wessel is in all the games with Rhand that I'm in and if he's disagreeing, then I'm probably barking up the wrong tree.
Feel better, sir.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModLet's break this down carefully.
Sentence #1: The important part here is "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch." I'll come back to this later.
Sentence #2-4: Note how there's nothing here about EtR being scum. Tresserhorn's voting EtR for the reason that "we have no other clear suspects". No thought of scumhunting at all. He's looking for "great cases" to barn.
Sentence #5: Null, due to the fact that newb town and scum alike are afraid of dying.
Sentence #6: The reinforcing of "a bit nervous about the EtR lynch". This sentence is mainly why I'm pretty sure that if Tresserhorn is scum, EtR is town. He's pushing away from the lynch just enough to make his doubts look legitimate, but not enough to derail it. It makes him look better if EtR comes up town. On another note, it also leaves him open to switch to another wagon if he so chooses - there's no certainty behind his post.
Vote Lord of Tresserhorn
I thought you were hopping on the bandwagon because you thought EtR was scum.
What relevance does that have?
Also, you still need to answer the question as to why you stated that "Santorum made a jump in logic regarding Anak's slip" and "I believe Anak's slip referred to scum daychat".
It's not to gain a further read. It's more of a curoisity.
I haven't answered that question because I don't know how to explain it any better than I already have and the explanations I have provided to you have not been satisfactory at all.
(I really need to find a way for me to explain the details of my thoughts better.)
Give us your real reason?
ffs walls of text I hate all of you
I am also in a very large amount of pain, so please forgive me if I am away for a while.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Vote: EtR
And why does that make Eron more scummy than before?
For the record, I called your original vote scummy too. But you ignored that when you unvoted me.
The real analysis is why I have Seppel leaning town. His killing of CaptainT (who was on the radar) is almost completely null.
Confirmed town is certainly over the top.
I'm having trouble following this, can you please use actual quotes?
Do you think you should be confirmed town from Void's point of view?
Besides inappropriate connotations I don't understand what you mean.
I think of it more like discrediting his recent 'towntelling.'
I was more worried about the 'a' in my name than the capitalization.
Sorry guys, I asked for a couple days but professor assigned another homework which will be due the same day our first homework was due.
I'm definitely not going to be able to the the FOUR new pages of fun stuff or make a decent post until the end of this weekend, if I'm lucky.
@Mod I don't want to be replaced by Iso just yet; Just give me some time, I swear I'll catch up.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModBack to not working on that assignment.
I am loopy off of Vicodin, Penecillin and something called Dexamethasone. So I should be here observing for a while. WOOOOOOO
The GJ way path to no lynching:
My initial reads had them as scum together. It's still at least possible, with them attempting to distance and get one of them cleared via false dichotomy.
But I need to be less drugged up from having some dental work done to actually think clearly.
That is the real reason. That and his play has become surprisingly stronger since he was run up. There are still a few things that bug me about him, so he's got an eye of scrutiny on him.
That's the entire post, and it's like one page away. My time to do stuff has been severely limited, so I'm sure you know how to use Ctrl+F.
But you quoted part of what I said, and it was the less relevant part. I was expecting you to come back and say "Sorry, I misread your post and didn't notice that the second part was also addressed to me." The fact that you're trying to defend your choice of quotes strikes me as odd.
Really? Seppel leading a wagon on Town!Eron would hold more weight with you than Seppel day-vigging scum?
I must have missed something. Racist?
For the record, since I asked - I don't have a problem with this flavour.
The fact that you are hanging a lampshade on what you are doing does not make it better.
For the record, I read your post the same way LoT did.
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Off no rereads at all, I don't see a reason to lynch EtR - he was reasonably townie in what I think he believed to be his last posts. LoT has made a couple bad posts, notably the fence-sitty one that Cyouni broke down. I am more on board with the LoT wagon than EtR, with my main reservation being Void. I've got a bad opinion of Void, and I don't think he and LoT are scumbuddies based on interactions between them. Again, though, I haven't reread to actually base this on anything.
I've even lost track of where I'm voting right now. I will unvote if I was previously voting, vote: Void to register my suspicion.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModSeppel daykilling CaptainT is almost completely null, as I said previously.
What I meant about my opinion being more affected by Eron's flip is that if Eron flipped scum I'd be almost positive Seppel is town.
I was responding to Wessel's idea of there being a possibility the scum were all Asian.
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Unvote: Anaklusmos, Vote: LoT
Unvote, vote Void. The way this is worded, you seem to be trying to paint LoT's decision that Seppel is town because he killed scum as a bad thing. No, Seppel is not CONFIRMED, sure. But what other conclusion should we come to for someone on D1 who killed a scum?
This all just feels like you're trying to take town points from people who earned them, is what I'm trying to say.
That it is an almost completely null tell...
That's a pretty absurd statement. What do you base it on? It's not like LoT was on the verge of being lynched.
Let me be clear, the possibility of Seppel replacing in and shooting a buddy for town points exists, but should be remote enough to push it far above a null tell.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModI'd really like you to explain why here, in as many words as possible.
What does LoT have to do with this? I think you may mean CaptainT?
I think it is a almost a null tell because Seppel's play would have been a smart scum move as well. I might have done the same thing were I scum. In fact, I bet I would, because I doubt I'd want to enter the game slaughtering a townie. I don't see why the possibility is so remote.
From a townSeppel perspective it all works out fine; he gets a good read and makes a good kill.
From a scumSeppel perspective it does as well; CaptainT isn't doing so great, so kill him in order to earn some "town points" (that is, assuming the town doesn't take it as a null tell, which is so far how it's been going). While at it, casually throw out your role name to get it cleared as townie, even though you are Adolf Hitler...
It seems like it would be a decent play to make from either alignment, so I don't think it should be regarded as a 100% town move. Arguing that CaptainT wasn't close to being lynched just brings up a bunch of WIFOM, because scumSeppel could see that himself and use it to convince more people he is town (which has clearly been working if people were swayed by that).
The reason why I say 'almost' a null tell is because I've been under the impression that town daykillers are more common than scum daykillers. If that is the case I suppose it would be more likely Seppel is town.
And to avoid confusion, I am most certainly leaning town on Seppel, due to his analysis so far this game. But I strongly disagree with all these "I trust Seppel" "Seppel is confirmed town" "Seppel is 19034% town" comments, that are mostly due to his daykill.
I understand your reasoning, but I don't think it matches with the kill as a null tell. Consider that you say it doesn't make Seppel 100 percent town, which I and most people seem to agree with, along with the fact that you are leaning town on Seppel yourself. If the kill is a complete null tell for you, what leads to your leaning town read?
More than once, too.
Yes. I'm a special snowflake and deserve auto-town status from everyone immediately.
Oh hey, you're scum. That's nice.
This is a PTAP; I've been busy lately, my apologies. I'll see what I can do about content posts as soon as I take care of this thing for my class. Shouldn't take too long.
While I'm here, I think Tom is almost certainly town. He's being extremely bullheaded and is just wrong about a lot of stuff, which is his usual town M.O.
This reads to me like KJ is trying to distract everyone from LoT. I think depending on how LoT flips this may speak well of Void.
I didn't include gan_dan's posts because they came after your question, so it seemed like it would be defeating the purpose.
And you are probably getting that impression because that was what I was doing; looking for the posts where people had considered Seppel far more town than they should have.
What are the lot of stuff I'm wrong about?
ON THE ERON WAGON: Seppel, LoT, Voxx, Rhand, Wessel, JeY, Swish, Alpha, Rick/Megs
ON THE LOT WAGON: Void, Alpha, Eron, Cyouni, Tom
ON THE VOID WAGON: RobRoy, Killjoy
ON NO WAGON: Anaklusmos, Lennon
...wow. Nobody but Alpha moved from Eron to either of the new wagons. This is a real head-scratcher.
Before I killed Tzymo we had votes everywhere...
Anaklusmos (4) Killjoy, Void, Rhand, Tom
Teh JeY (2) Cyouni, Alphainsidious
Void (2) Rick Santorum, Swishh
Swishh (2) Cythare, Lord of Tresserhorn
EtR (2) Tom, Voxxicus
Rhand (2) Lennonmint80, Eron
Lennonmint80 (1) Anaklusmos
Cyouni (1) Teh JeY
Cythare (1) Robroy
Not Voting (2) Seppel, Wessel
I'm going to think about this for a bit.
Also @Mod: Anaklusmos (last post 7 days ago) and Lennon (last post 19! days ago) need to be replaced.