MTG Salvation

THE GAME MODERATOR's IMPUT:

First and foremost, I wanted to say that LoT's role actually was supposed to be a mafia rolecop. Because I posted in the megathread, because he was dead, and because the rest of his team believed him to be vanilla, I left it alone.

1). The first think you should probably notice is that both sides were kind of weak. I did that on purpose because I wanted my game to focus more on interactions in game, rather than a confirmed "NON-GUILTY/SCUUUUM". I hate the cop/watcher role a lot as a cop is essentially the safest version of a vig there can be, and can tear a game apart if he picks multiple living targets, and doesn't get caught. PoE to the rescue! A watcher, I typically dislike because it forces the mafia/sk from being able to make the "correct" mafia kill (especially, if the doctor is still alive).

1.a). Voxxicus's role was designed to be an sk with options. While he primarily could play as an sk, he could also take different shots if a town PR was ever lynched, could act as a redirector (to save his "lover") or just go traditional survivor, minus the "Cyouni" clause. To pay for all that extra utility, his vote would have to be counted on the lynchee's wagon to get a shot, and would always have the option to have a kill shot as an option.

2). I think Seppel lived far longer than he should have. Out the door, he was confirmed town for shooting Tyzmo out of nowhere. Considering the mafia had an unstoppable/untraceable kill, Seppel would have been the perfect candidate. It kind of worked since Cyouni was the doctor anyway, but killing the dayvig might have made KJ the lynch, which would have granted an extra day, and might have caused Void to get nked (Obviously, can't prove this, but eh).

3). After Alpha died, the mafia really fell apart. Claiming back-up doctor was a poor play, considering there was already an ultimate roleblocker. Based on the abilities Void claimed, both roleblocker/cop would have been safe claims for the mafia (but then, it's possible the thought didn't occur).

4). Despite the number of mafia and an sk, we had already figured the worse case scenario for both teams. My logic has always been: the town should never lose until they mislynch three times. They could have only lost the end of day 2 if both day vig shots hit a townie, and both sk shots hit a townie at night (which at least one, and more likely, both shots would be held by a townie player, and Vox to be on the lynching wagon for both days). The mafia could also actually lose at the lynch of day 2, if both town shots, the sk shot, and both lynches were correct. It could have been swingy, but the sk (at the start) did have a motivation to not try to kill townies.

5). End game. I think if I were vox, I would have actually taken out Void, leaving Tom and Megs to go for the gold. I realize the fear of leaving Tom alive, but Void was obv Town, both on his behavior and role. Speaking of, if there was a day that might have been the worse town day, it would have been g_d's lynch. Void's RB on G_D while a kill still floated around pretty much cemented G_D as not mafia/sk (considering the pm on the roleblockers said they could not kill and roleblock). If there was any doubt, void should have died before G_D did. Tom was another one of those "I should probably be dead because my role means I am likely town."

6. MVPs later, but for now, I would love to hear any comments/questions.

/agree!

Psst, change the thread topic!

What the hell was a Neutral like that doing in a Normal?

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What the hell was a Neutral like that doing in a Normal?

When you break it all down, he was essentially, an sk with an alternate "lover" win condition.

I'm looking forward to reading the scum chat at the end of day 1. That should be amusing.

Scum Chat: http://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/8GigraPjeJnrv

Spectator Chat: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/XSaCEgqQQchH

Seppel for Town MVP. He got the ball rolling and everything fell into place after that.

Agreed.

Scum would be JeY by default, by virtue of lasting the longest. I honestly can't say that any particular scum member's performance sticks out as being particularly good, though.

Again - agreed.

In retrospect I didn't do anything of import this game.

You resisted to your urges of voting Void on bias and managed to get out of the tunnel, reaching the logical, correct lynch. I'd say it's an accomplishment by itself

Iso, the noise those things make played in my head both times when I saw the smiley. It made me happy :3

Reading the spectator chat makes both lol and sadface.

Oh yeah. So... Why exactly role-blocking the ability to obtain an ability not blockable? you said you'd explain.

I'm going to assume that i'm allowed to edit this particular post since it's post game.

"Teh JeY, who is not a gimmick btw if you were wondering, plays the happy-go-lucky-I-don't-know-exactly-what-I-should-do character pretty convincingly (if it's on purpose)."

Totally on purpose. First mafia game, -and- i'm scum. I was pretty intimidated, so I made up someone who wasn't. With years of role-playing experience it's not difficult to have a wide variety of shoes to fill =D

That sounds like it could be really scary as you get better at the game itself.

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You resisted to your urges of voting Void on bias and managed to get out of the tunnel, reaching the logical, correct lynch. I'd say it's an accomplishment by itself

This, good job Meg. I still thought it was Void. I guess I'm just not very good.

Seppel and JeY for MVP.

I'm glad to see the SK wasn't a pure SK. As I've said before, the fact that we did so well in the early game but still struggled in the end makes me feel like if we had done anything at all worse than we did, we would have lost. Like just one of those first few lynches hitting town.

I'm really proud of this town victoy

I will echo Seppel for MVP. When he came in, first post with an execution nailing sum, it felt like an action movie where everything kicked up three notches. Just an awesome moment. And then he kicked it up again with his Killjoy execution. Quite fun to read!

This is simply what seppel does.

Oh by the way, I had a lot of fun. I liked this game and I liked the theme. Thanks TCM

That scum chat was amusing.

To echo what Tom said, the flavor was superb. I learned a lot this game. Mostly how not to play, but I'm thankful for it.

Seppel clearly gets the Town MVP.

/barn MVPs

I was somewhat livid that I got lynched despite (apparently) MULTIPLE pieces of information saying that I was confirmed.

If I was put into 3-way lylo with Void & Voxx, I don't really know what I would've done, though.

What makes you say the setup was underpowered, TCM?

Man, I bussed lennon so hard. I really was trying to score town points and then seppel just vigs me randomly!

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let's lynch void

Why? Because he ended RVS?

Also, this wasn't void buddying, this was me trying to make megs look bad because he's a good player

Glad that this finally ended this way. I thought I had Voxx nailed, but still had some doubts. When he came back into the thread on Day 3 and didn't address the points I'd raised at all, I was convinced. But also dead. Thanks for finishing the job for me, Megiddo!

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let's lynch void

Why? Because he ended RVS?

Also, this wasn't void buddying, this was me trying to make megs look bad because he's a good player

No, I never said that was buddying. It was this one. This was one of the major things that brought me around, since I could never see scum, newb scum especially, saying that to another scum.
Also I'm not sure how that makes me look bad, but then again, when I'm town I never think I look bad.

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Glad that this finally ended this way. I thought I had Voxx nailed, but still had some doubts. When he came back into the thread on Day 3 and didn't address the points I'd raised at all, I was convinced. But also dead. Thanks for finishing the job for me, Megiddo!

it only took three game Days and something like a month!

Thank you for the game, TCM! The Flavor was awesome and the set-up was great. I loved my Role despite not playing it to it's best ability. I appreciate your comments even though I feel this was one of my worse Town performances, as Seppel didn't mind point out

Megs, you're amazing player. I'm happy you found your way in the final Day. At the beginning of that Day I thought the Town was going to lose for sure with you tunneling the way you did. I am curious about one thing though, what made you believe this was my scum meta? This will help improve my game.

Voxx, I'm sorry that your RL got in the way some this game. Your Role, while interesting, did not benefit your activity levels. I feel that if you more involved earlier in the game that you would ahve pulled off your victory in the Final Day.

Seppel and JeY for MVP's.

I have some notes taken and I will go back and look them for additional comments as I know there are some there. Work is calling so I will post them a little bit later.

This game I learned that fence sitting is bad. No posts for the sake of posting - it's better to just not post.

It really sucked whenever I said "oh I'll have some stuff ready eventually" and then school was like 'oh that promise you made? well forget it lol' and I had no choice but to take it up the butt with a complacent 'okay.jpg'.

=(

Can't wait to play this summer though in G_D's game, and this time I won't have excuses

Void I think it was more that I thought you were acting scummy (by appearing detached etc.) rather than playing into your scum meta.

Fair enough. I was detatched from the game for a little bit. More on Day 2 around the killjoy DK peroid than any other time.

(Psst: typo in "Victoy" also it still says Day 7 instead of Game Over)

Fixed.

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I will review Void later, as I said. I have been tunneling him since Day one and am not willing to place a vote until I have actually put the time into it.

Going in I will be asking myself the question, "what do I need to see to convince myself that Void is actually town?" I know what I need to see, which is Day 1 interactions that do not indicate scum behavior. Anything after Day 1 is part of the hypothetical master plan to bus his whole team and become a cleared "town PR," so it would need to be evaluated more carefully, but even then I can look for genuine interactions over fabricated ones.

What is hilarious about this game is that I actually did find Day 1 interactions that pointed to Void being town, but I was so tunneled even then that I thought they weren't that until I took a step away and re-evaluated everything yet again.

I think that's the last I have to say about this game.

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No, I never said that was buddying. It was this one. This was one of the major things that brought me around, since I could never see scum, newb scum especially, saying that to another scum.
Also I'm not sure how that makes me look bad, but then again, when I'm town I never think I look bad.

Oh right! Yeah, that wasn't buddying. That was me sowing confusion and trying to set up possible mislynches using Lennon as my springboard.

Yes, this continues my streak of a gambit in every game.

You really need to stop trying to do that. They never do anything for you.

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Oh yeah. So... Why exactly role-blocking the ability to obtain an ability not blockable? you said you'd explain.

Still waiting for this

Oh, my bad:

The reason I made it unroleblockable was basically because most back up roles don't have to go through a single night of doing nothing to become their back up, after the orignal dies. I made it work this way so that the backup in this case still had to wait a whole night, but could choose any dead town PR to get an ability from. If I made that part roleblockable, the role would have been way too weak.

That was pretty much it. So even if you say, killed the doctor day 1, and he tries to take the ability, he can't actually use it until night 2. At that point, he can be roleblocked as normal.

Ah. That makes perfect sense. If only I knew that during the game though =P

-knows now-.

Thanks

Hey TIK haven't crossed your mind the idea of making the "steal ability" a day action? I think this way would be less clunky and maintain the spirit of the role as you intended.