However, question: there has been some debate among our ranks as to how complex the games should get. Obviously anything allowable in a basic is fair game, but how much should we feel allowed to stretch?
To expand on this. We are in doubt about what we are trying to achieve here. We all agree we are trying to create games that focus on behavior and not powers or mechanics, however some other people believe those restrictions mean we should be creating the equivalent of a salvation basic game. Is that correct?
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
However, question: there has been some debate among our ranks as to how complex the games should get. Obviously anything allowable in a basic is fair game, but how much should we feel allowed to stretch?
To expand on this. We are in doubt about what we are trying to achieve here. We all agree we are trying to create games that focus on behavior and not powers or mechanics, however some other people believe those restrictions mean we should be creating the equivalent of a salvation basic game. Is that correct?
I just wanted to chime in and say that this is indeed the case. Basically there are two camps forming. One is that it should equate to what amounts to a Basic game. The other is willing to go with what would be a normal game using MS rules. None of the setups presented actually rely too much on the roles, but some people want to evaluate different skill sets within the game. We are not looking so much at a case where we want you to say which side is correct, but as pointed out, some guidelines would be good to go off of.
I'd say the MS folks tend to be more comfortable in low-power settings, like a basic or only modestly beyond the range of a basic, and I'd tend to support that as well, for this type of play. Maybe make the last game more like one our regular minis in complexity?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So that just leaves my setup huh? Well Pinky has dropped off the face of the earth, and Zionite is flavor. So I guess I'll call my setup just about done then. I'll invite the reviewers in tonight.
Edit: Please post in a new thread the final setup you are passing along for review.
I'm still undecided on where to take our game flavor-wise. I really like the noir idea, but it seems too traditional. I'm more compelled by western or steampunk genres.
Just make all of them Zion, I don't think any of them has a flavor attached to it so far, you are free to grab the reins.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Just make all of them Zion, I don't think any of them has a flavor attached to it so far, you are free to grab the reins.
I would if I had time, but I think one focused product is better than several unfocused works. It looks like I'll be hosting our team's game too.
Now announcing The Naked City Mafia, based off the quintessential noir film of 1948 that inspired countless films to follow. Expect a classic detective drama meshing seamlessly with natural mafia flavor. More details to follow.
OK, posted in the collab threads, but putting a post here as well. Looks like MS has their 6 players. What is the update on everyone's setups. I think from the looks of things we will be ready to fire as soon as we get flavor done for a setup.
Outside of those who have seen the setups? I highly doubt it, but I rather not speak for everyone else on this one.
Speaking of setups, looks like as long as we have our six ready to go still, we SHOULD be able to fire up the 1st setup within a week. Is that OK with everyone else involved?
Edit: Note I am asking this because it seems MS is all ready to go and want to fire the first game off as soon as possible.
Does anyone else have some nice writing skills or creativity to create the flavor of one of our games? It does not need prior modding experience, just the will to write and stuff.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Nah, we have way too many polls, let the council (or just Az since he was the creator)decide. Too much democracy is bad.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
How about Az popcorns into members? Quick and to the point.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I just started a new gig, and I'm a little nervous whether I'll have the time to put in or not. I *could*, but I'm trying to make a good first impression.
Why don't you guys try contacting the lapsed members(Eco, KCC, PL...)? Hopefully they can be found and play on it. Fadeblue is also potentially available.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Uh, I should not be doing this at this time. If this game doesn't happen for another 3 months or so, then, maybe.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not 100% sure yet but I will probably be moving about a month from now, which means there is a very good chance my internet connection will vary between non-existent and barely tolerable. Strike me out too.
Better pm voxx.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I think I'm the host that's most prepared at this point in time, and we're going to start setting things in motion Wednesday night. I'm expecting a lag as we get our MS guests migrated over for the festivities, but we will have a player list, rule set, and opening flavor.
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Just got to say, you've definitely earned distinction as an MTGS hero
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I had no idea what this thread was about until Zionite PMed me asking me to participate. I didn't read it because I only played like 2 games on MS, years ago, and they were both completely miserable experiences. But this seems like an interesting concept, and it's always flattering to get nominated for something along these lines.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I just wanted to chime in and say that this is indeed the case. Basically there are two camps forming. One is that it should equate to what amounts to a Basic game. The other is willing to go with what would be a normal game using MS rules. None of the setups presented actually rely too much on the roles, but some people want to evaluate different skill sets within the game. We are not looking so much at a case where we want you to say which side is correct, but as pointed out, some guidelines would be good to go off of.
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That actually sounds like a good plan.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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I've been done for nine days now.
I was expecting that the reviewers would be invited into the Google Group so they can contribute to the ongoing discussion.
Edit: Please post in a new thread the final setup you are passing along for review.
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I have had some RL issues going on lately.
I will make this a priority tonight.
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mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
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Deadwood mafia. heh
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
I would if I had time, but I think one focused product is better than several unfocused works. It looks like I'll be hosting our team's game too.
Now announcing The Naked City Mafia, based off the quintessential noir film of 1948 that inspired countless films to follow. Expect a classic detective drama meshing seamlessly with natural mafia flavor. More details to follow.
Come join us in the MTGSalvation chat ||| My trade thread. ||| My Personal Modern Blog: The Fetchlands
Outside of those who have seen the setups? I highly doubt it, but I rather not speak for everyone else on this one.
Speaking of setups, looks like as long as we have our six ready to go still, we SHOULD be able to fire up the 1st setup within a week. Is that OK with everyone else involved?
Edit: Note I am asking this because it seems MS is all ready to go and want to fire the first game off as soon as possible.
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Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
DYH
RafaelKIso
AxelrodKittyCupCakeSeppel
desCoures
Cyan
Pale MageZeDorkSlipeurAsianInvasionCyouni
CondomsAzraelzindabadEcophagyVoxxicus
I've crossed out players who haven't posted in the Mafia sub in over a month and AsianInvasion per his request.
Condoms has not responded to his role PM. ZDS, Az, and Axel have all expressed concerns about time constraints. Crossing them off the list, too.
Bolding and italicizing confirmed players.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm on the setup committee.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
How about:
DYH
Iso
Axelrod
Cyan
DesCoures
-And whoever posts in here from that list first, saying they want it-
Everyone else on the replace list?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay, I'd like ZDS or Voxx to play if that's possible, if Axel can't.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Better pm voxx.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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DYH
Iso
Condoms
Cyan
desCoures
Voxxicus
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Is this fine with everybody?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'll be able to focus most of my free time on that game, but my free time isn't as copious as others may have.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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That's our Cyan!
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player