EBWODP: Specifically I was responding to the implication of "you can't know if I'm scum so you can't vote for me." I disliked the wording that Void used.
That was just a joke since you and PG were following him. Like you joined together to form some kind of super robot. Like Voltron. Or the Power Rangers.
2. That Town is just as capable as scum to ignore questions. If I must be lycnhed to get this point across I will.
The thing you're missing is that town should have a reason to ignore a question. Your stated reason here is to prove a point, but your point is that you want to ignore a question. For which you need a reason... etc.
Just answer the damn questions. Whether or not I'm scum should not be a factor. If there's no good reason why you shouldn't answer (if there is, I'm still listening), then you need to answer. You're acting scummy and I want to know why. It shouldn't be this hard to just tell the truth about your mindset.
That was just a joke since you and PG were following him. Like you joined together to form some kind of super robot. Like Voltron. Or the Power Rangers.
2. That Town is just as capable as scum to ignore questions. If I must be lycnhed to get this point across I will.
The thing you're missing is that town should have a reason to ignore a question. Your stated reason here is to prove a point, but your point is that you want to ignore a question. For which you need a reason... etc.
Just answer the damn questions. Whether or not I'm scum should not be a factor. If there's no good reason why you shouldn't answer (if there is, I'm still listening), then you need to answer. You're acting scummy and I want to know why. It shouldn't be this hard to just tell the truth about your mindset.
I have a reason and it's ITT. You're not willing to accept it for what it is and that is not my problem. And I don't "need" to answer anything. You're putting a lot of pressure onto me for questions that have little relevance about me.
Did it occur to you that I could fake answers to those questions, if I were scum? I could fake them now being Town, but I am not going to be THAT determental to the Town.
I'm not hiding anything about my mindset. It's there and you are reading it incorrectly along with a few others.
I'll be logging off to start packing up for Charlotte soon, as per my V/LA. I'll still be reading up from my phone, but it's kind of a pain in the ass to post from it, so don't expect content from me until my return on Monday.
Until then, I'm going to leave one of my votes on AtheistGod and the other on Cellion, as those are my top two scumspects at this point.
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I don't believe that I've been active lurking. I've been reading along/lurking but have not really been active until today.
I was getting a tiny scum feeling from Stardust until post 141 which felt very strong. Seppel was going back and forth early; I've ended up feeling that he is town. Void gave me a slight scum feeling in the post I responded to and doing a reread made a few other aspects of his posts stand out as potentially scum motivated.
I'm still null on everyone else, besides Silver being confirmed once Iso posts a vote count. There are a few comments that have given me pause, but they don't give any scum/town leaning and I'd rather not discuss them until later in the game.
@WG: I still have to remind myself that I'm not reading this thread to entertain myself, but that I'm actually playing mafia and that I should be scumhunting. And since I still haven't quite grasped the concept of scumhunting, I don't do it very well. Also, I was voting Yanni because playing mafia while high seems pretty anti-town and as Seppel said, it makes him a detriment to any town, but apparently after playing with Yanni so much, Seppel can read him, so I'm giving Yanni a pass for now. As for the "I'm Town" bit, that was me just poking fun at Void by using his "If I say I'm town, maybe Seppel will leave me alone."
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AtheistGod, sorry if this is a stupid question, but how many games of mafia have you played before? I see you're currently playing three... is that it?
I have a reason and it's ITT. You're not willing to accept it for what it is and that is not my problem. And I don't "need" to answer anything. You're putting a lot of pressure onto me for questions that have little relevance about me.
I waited to respond to this until I had time to go back and reread your posts. Are you referring to the fact that you don't want to answer me because you think I'm scum? That's not a very good reason. Do you think townies should always refuse to answer questions from those they think are scum?
Did it occur to you that I could fake answers to those questions, if I were scum?
Of course it occurred to me. But I personally can't think of any fake answers that come from a town mindset. Can you? Feel free to share them, if only hypothetically.
If you'd come out and said "I guess that's just how I post sometimes, *shrug*" I would have just made note and moved on. As it is, you're alluding to a reason that I frankly don't think actually exists. That's why I'm pushing you to answer this question in particular. If you have an answer, awesome. Otherwise, you're caught.
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Why do you think Yanni is scum for saying for now, Void?
Yanni is using the "for now" as an excuse to jump back on my wagon when another time presents itself. Also, Yanni did not do the same for Stardust when he unvoted Stardust. The post for refference:
Hey 22bebo! So far you have never voted outside RVS, instead just leaving vague commentary on current developments. You say you don't consider yourself very good at mafia, but you have played quite a few games, so I find this hesitance odd. Why didn't you vote when you thought Stardust, Cellion or Void were scum? Why so concerned with the claim, when you must know that's standard at L-2 since you've played before?
Why do you think Yanni is scum for saying for now, Void?
Yanni is using the "for now" as an excuse to jump back on my wagon when another time presents itself. Also, Yanni did not do the same for Stardust when he unvoted Stardust. The post for refference:
Hey 22bebo! So far you have never voted outside RVS, instead just leaving vague commentary on current developments. You say you don't consider yourself very good at mafia, but you have played quite a few games, so I find this hesitance odd. Why didn't you vote when you thought Stardust, Cellion or Void were scum? Why so concerned with the claim, when you must know that's standard at L-2 since you've played before?
Unvote, Vote: 22bebo.
/barn, since it's more or less what I was thinking. The other thing that stuck out to me is that most of his reads seem non-committal, or are worded to leave open a quick switch to voting that person. For example (my underlining added):
Pikachugundam:Personally feel like he hasn't posted terribly much. (Neither have I, though, so I don't feel it's any indication towards his alignment.) I will say, and correct me if I'm wrong, that in this post he at first seems to defend Misting then distances himself from him by saying he feels scummy. Maybe I'm just looking into it too much though.
Void: Thought I'd do you too while I was at it. I don't enjoy either of your first two tactics for hunting scum, those being a loaded question and then chasing someone for their name claim. You dropped that second one pretty quickly, though, so that's good, I guess . . . Still not really sure. While I didn't like your first two methods, they were an attempt at scumhunting, and one would think a scum would go for much safer targets in their attempts at "scumhunting." (i.e. Not scumhunting but pretending to.) On the fence with you still, I'd say.
vote: 22bebo
@22bebo:
What are your currently reads on Void, PG and AtheistGod? Who do you consider to be scum and why?
AtheistGod's lurking and refusal to post reads looked pretty scummy, but I'm concerned at how quickly AtheistGod's wagon got to claim range (more or less 12 hours, going from no votes to claim between the two times I got to check the thread).
There are a few comments that have given me pause, but they don't give any scum/town leaning and I'd rather not discuss them until later in the game.
You're currently primarily being voted due to a lack of contribution, so why do you want to keep the few observations you've had to yourself? Why not use those observations as a basis for questions?
Also, why did you delay in providing your reads, and why are you currently refusing to claim?
There are a few comments that have given me pause, but they don't give any scum/town leaning and I'd rather not discuss them until later in the game.
You're currently primarily being voted due to a lack of contribution, so why do you want to keep the few observations you've had to yourself? Why not use those observations as a basis for questions?
Also, why did you delay in providing your reads, and why are you currently refusing to claim?
I've had difficulty getting reads this game, I just haven't had much to go on and other people have been mirroring what little I've gotten.
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Why do you think Yanni is scum for saying for now, Void?
Yanni is using the "for now" as an excuse to jump back on my wagon when another time presents itself. Also, Yanni did not do the same for Stardust when he unvoted Stardust. The post for refference:
Hey 22bebo! So far you have never voted outside RVS, instead just leaving vague commentary on current developments. You say you don't consider yourself very good at mafia, but you have played quite a few games, so I find this hesitance odd. Why didn't you vote when you thought Stardust, Cellion or Void were scum? Why so concerned with the claim, when you must know that's standard at L-2 since you've played before?
Unvote, Vote: 22bebo.
I agree with this post and this makes me feel better about you.
My OTW (one true wagon) is still AGod, but this presents a better case than Void until AGod claims, or refuses to. Unvote, Vote: 22bebo
There are a few comments that have given me pause, but they don't give any scum/town leaning and I'd rather not discuss them until later in the game.
You're currently primarily being voted due to a lack of contribution, so why do you want to keep the few observations you've had to yourself? Why not use those observations as a basis for questions?
Also, why did you delay in providing your reads, and why are you currently refusing to claim?
I've had difficulty getting reads this game, I just haven't had much to go on and other people have been mirroring what little I've gotten.
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What point is that?
1. That Stardust does not get to dictate what I answer and when/if I answer a question.
2. That Town is just as capable as scum to ignore questions. If I must be lycnhed to get this point across I will.
Vote: AtheistGod
His RVS vote is still on Seppel and he is showing reason to vote me, but yet has not.
That was just a joke since you and PG were following him. Like you joined together to form some kind of super robot. Like Voltron. Or the Power Rangers.
The thing you're missing is that town should have a reason to ignore a question. Your stated reason here is to prove a point, but your point is that you want to ignore a question. For which you need a reason... etc.
Just answer the damn questions. Whether or not I'm scum should not be a factor. If there's no good reason why you shouldn't answer (if there is, I'm still listening), then you need to answer. You're acting scummy and I want to know why. It shouldn't be this hard to just tell the truth about your mindset.
Do you think I am town?
Man I wish I was the double voter right about now. I could go for a lynch on either you or AGod.
I have a reason and it's ITT. You're not willing to accept it for what it is and that is not my problem. And I don't "need" to answer anything. You're putting a lot of pressure onto me for questions that have little relevance about me.
Did it occur to you that I could fake answers to those questions, if I were scum? I could fake them now being Town, but I am not going to be THAT determental to the Town.
I'm not hiding anything about my mindset. It's there and you are reading it incorrectly along with a few others.
Null read.
Until then, I'm going to leave one of my votes on AtheistGod and the other on Cellion, as those are my top two scumspects at this point.
I don't feel that your wording is enough to vote on. I do feel that it is noteworthy. In other words, I don't trust a single read by itself.
Unvote
You don't know the tell like I do.
unvote, vote: atheistGod do something
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Why is that?
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I was getting a tiny scum feeling from Stardust until post 141 which felt very strong. Seppel was going back and forth early; I've ended up feeling that he is town. Void gave me a slight scum feeling in the post I responded to and doing a reread made a few other aspects of his posts stand out as potentially scum motivated.
I'm still null on everyone else, besides Silver being confirmed once Iso posts a vote count. There are a few comments that have given me pause, but they don't give any scum/town leaning and I'd rather not discuss them until later in the game.
@AG: You were in this game?
Sounds bad to me either way. Vote AtheistGod
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lol.
why?
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AtheistGod, sorry if this is a stupid question, but how many games of mafia have you played before? I see you're currently playing three... is that it?
I waited to respond to this until I had time to go back and reread your posts. Are you referring to the fact that you don't want to answer me because you think I'm scum? That's not a very good reason. Do you think townies should always refuse to answer questions from those they think are scum?
Of course it occurred to me. But I personally can't think of any fake answers that come from a town mindset. Can you? Feel free to share them, if only hypothetically.
If you'd come out and said "I guess that's just how I post sometimes, *shrug*" I would have just made note and moved on. As it is, you're alluding to a reason that I frankly don't think actually exists. That's why I'm pushing you to answer this question in particular. If you have an answer, awesome. Otherwise, you're caught.
You know me, Dusty. I love my gambits. So no.
Or I dislike Yanni's early "distraction" as any distraction is bad for the town. However, he's solid even then, so I'm not willing to lynch him.
You are a very clever mafia. This I know. So I'll be keeping my eye on you.
I really dislike AtheistGod. He says he's not active lurking, but is still lurking?
This is just my very fast, out-the-door impressions. More when I have more time at a computer.
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Unofficial Votecount:
Iso (5): Yanni, Gluten_Pounder, Seppel, Void, pikachumobilesuit
With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.
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Gluten_Pounder (1): Misting
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Void (1): Stardust
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Oh mah gah so many vote changes. Do remember that you must Unvote first if you wish to move your vote.
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I may move to AGod, but not until his claim.
Stardust and AtheistGod are ITT. Your a lynch option because of this post:
Why do you think Yanni is scum for saying for now, Void?
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Yanni is using the "for now" as an excuse to jump back on my wagon when another time presents itself. Also, Yanni did not do the same for Stardust when he unvoted Stardust. The post for refference:
This could be indicative of Yanni/Stardust being scum buddies.
Unvote, Vote: 22bebo.
Or it could be indicative of him actually thinking I'm town whereas you're still scummy. I've unvoted you for now too. I will be coming back to you.
Hey, Stardust. Stop being an ass.
Start answering my questions and I'll consider it.
no I'm willing to let you do what you say you're doing today.
atheist god and Iso need to claim
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I was lurking, and admit that; however, active lurking and lurking are two different things. I do intend to participate more from this point onward.
Why do I get the feeling that you aren't really voting for your stated reason?
/barn, since it's more or less what I was thinking. The other thing that stuck out to me is that most of his reads seem non-committal, or are worded to leave open a quick switch to voting that person. For example (my underlining added):
vote: 22bebo
@22bebo:
What are your currently reads on Void, PG and AtheistGod? Who do you consider to be scum and why?
AtheistGod's lurking and refusal to post reads looked pretty scummy, but I'm concerned at how quickly AtheistGod's wagon got to claim range (more or less 12 hours, going from no votes to claim between the two times I got to check the thread).
I would expect at least one scum on this wagon.
@AtheistGod:
You're currently primarily being voted due to a lack of contribution, so why do you want to keep the few observations you've had to yourself? Why not use those observations as a basis for questions?
Also, why did you delay in providing your reads, and why are you currently refusing to claim?
Purposefully trying to make the game unfun for another player. I will remember this for when the game ends.
at least active lurkers post.
lurking is lurking is lurking.
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I've had difficulty getting reads this game, I just haven't had much to go on and other people have been mirroring what little I've gotten.
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Ah, thanks.
Woe that anyone would ever change his mind on who to vote for. If that's your reasoning you'll have to lynch me too.
I agree with this post and this makes me feel better about you.
My OTW (one true wagon) is still AGod, but this presents a better case than Void until AGod claims, or refuses to. Unvote, Vote: 22bebo
So is Stardust an ass for pointing out a flaw in your reasoning?
We're not going down that road. There's plenty of other evidence without having to go down that road.
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at least stardust had an excuse
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