Seems rather gutsy to be a false claim. And so easy to counterclaim. This is a basic after all.
I'm not saying he's falseclaiming yet. I just find it odd since he's not just a watcher, but a tracker as well. I could see such a combo in a basic despite its power, and I could see it being called just a watcher. But I still find it suspicious.
Hmmm. Easily countarclaimable (if anyone is a tracker OR a watcher they would CC), easily testable by posting results and in general by avoiding the nk as a claimed town powerrole in a basic.
I'd like to see results in the morning to back it up, but for now I'll buy it.
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It was evident from what I said before that. I said that I thought it might be coaching, he laughed and said he was too experienced to be coached, I then said that maybe I had the definition wrong and asked, to which PinkFloyd responded and seemed to provide an example, which is where the post you quoted came from.
@bebo- what you don't seem to understand is that if I falseclaimed this ability and then tried to lie about my results, there would be 2 people for each lie who could catch me. The targeter and the targetee. It would be stupid for me to false claim this ability.
If you aren't CC'd with that double-ability then you're not the lynch Today.
I want to see more from sXe, but there are evidently RL issues there so I won't press. And Marblez, I still want you to answer my question regardless of DK's claim. I'll be straightening out my reads on the other eight players with a reread.
@bebo- what you don't seem to understand is that if I falseclaimed this ability and then tried to lie about my results, there would be 2 people for each lie who could catch me. The targeter and the targetee. It would be stupid for me to false claim this ability.
Didn't think about you providing names too. Stupidity on my part.
@bebo- what you don't seem to understand is that if I falseclaimed this ability and then tried to lie about my results, there would be 2 people for each lie who could catch me. The targeter and the targetee. It would be stupid for me to false claim this ability.
Unvote.
As KoolKoal said, this is a pretty gutsy ability. It's pretty easy to catch this role in a lie if names are given, so I'd say you're pretty safely town.
I'm not saying he's falseclaiming yet. I just find it odd since he's not just a watcher, but a tracker as well. I could see such a combo in a basic despite its power, and I could see it being called just a watcher. But I still find it suspicious.
I agree that it's a little weird that his role is called a watcher, but it's a little too bold to consider falseclaiming at this time. There are other people that we can investigate in the mean time.
Also, re:Wheat/@Wheat: How can you assume that pf is town because he's hunting, and that he always lurks when he's scum? I know that others have already mentioned this, but wouldn't it behoove him to not lurk as scum, if he is scum and that's his usual meta? I'm skeptical about your willingness to immediately accept him as town because he's doing what he usually does as town.
Not gonna lie, I find it amusing that wheat, yanni and pf went from blowing up the thread saying how scummy I am to non-existent after my claim. Waiting for the townies to comment before deciding if you thought you could push my wagon to the end?
I'll say it now, in case I don't survive the night. My guess for scum team is Yanni, pink floyd, and wheat.
Does that pile still include Wheat? I'm patiently waiting both your explanation for why you pegged Wheat as town for one post that barned you and for your surprise analysis of DK and 22bebo.
I find that dubious because it looks like a watcher/tracker combination. A watcher can see who targeted a person at night. A tracker can see who a person targeted at night. Doing both would definitely not make you just a watcher unless that's common around here.
I was lynced because of this in SSB mafia and I don't want to risk the 0.01% that he is actually a watcher/tracker because that will hurt us too much.
Not gonna lie, I find it amusing that wheat, yanni and pf went from blowing up the thread saying how scummy I am to non-existent after my claim. Waiting for the townies to comment before deciding if you thought you could push my wagon to the end?
I'll say it now, in case I don't survive the night. My guess for scum team is Yanni, pink floyd, and wheat.
I haven't been online since around the time of my last post, I'm an adult and have a job.
Also, just because you have claimed a PR it doesn't make you invincible and OMGUSing the 3 people that are the hardest on your case won't make you look legit either.
At least us three would be doing a good job if we were scum lol
I'm Tony Starch, Town Watcher. I can watch one player per night and I know who targeted them and who they targeted. I am not told what ability they used or what was used on them. There wasn't a whole lot of info in my PM and the first post specifically states not to paraphrase too closely, so I had to ask about my wording. As far as flavor goes, there really wasn't any in my PM. I have no idea how a potato that looks like Iron Man is a watcher, but there you have it.
this is a false claim.
This is the wording for a stalker, not a watcher.
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I'm not saying he's falseclaiming yet. I just find it odd since he's not just a watcher, but a tracker as well. I could see such a combo in a basic despite its power, and I could see it being called just a watcher. But I still find it suspicious.
I was a stalker in Basic...53 I think it was? Magic School Bus Mafia. It is a basic role.
As KoolKoal said, this is a pretty gutsy ability. It's pretty easy to catch this role in a lie if names are given, so I'd say you're pretty safely town.
Could be just buying time, but either way it'll come out in the wash whether or not it's a true or fake claim.
Also, re:Wheat/@Wheat: How can you assume that pf is town because he's hunting, and that he always lurks when he's scum? I know that others have already mentioned this, but wouldn't it behoove him to not lurk as scum, if he is scum and that's his usual meta? I'm skeptical about your willingness to immediately accept him as town because he's doing what he usually does as town.
Meta is a big part of why I think he's town. Also the fact that what he's posting is making sense, mostly.
Not gonna lie, I find it amusing that wheat, yanni and pf went from blowing up the thread saying how scummy I am to non-existent after my claim. Waiting for the townies to comment before deciding if you thought you could push my wagon to the end?
I don't always remember to get on MTGS everyday. I didn't see your claim until morning.
I'll say it now, in case I don't survive the night. My guess for scum team is Yanni, pink floyd, and wheat.
Quick question; who are the three most experienced players in this game?
what the hell is wrong with you guys?
dork knight acts scummy throughout the game, drops an obvious fakeclaim and you're all like "lol kay lets ignore it"
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Not gonna lie, I find it amusing that wheat, yanni and pf went from blowing up the thread saying how scummy I am to non-existent after my claim. Waiting for the townies to comment before deciding if you thought you could push my wagon to the end?
I'll say it now, in case I don't survive the night. My guess for scum team is Yanni, pink floyd, and wheat.
also OMGUS
just because you claimed doesn't clear you as town and it doesn't wipe your slate clean of being a complete tosser early in the game.
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Are you from the UK? I've always wanted to be called a "tosser" by someone with a British accent!
Sorry, that was totally un-game related.
3 Most Experienced Players in this game? I haven't the foggiest, although I'm betting that group includes me (except that I haven't played since my life kinda fell apart a few years back).
As far as stalker vs. watcher- I don't know. I'm not going to game the mod. Perhaps he made a typo in my role pm. The ability was spelled out pretty clearly, so I didn't question it.
As far as OMGUS, all I've got to go on so far is the sketchy attack on me made by the three of you. Till a better case is made against someone else, you 3 are my choice as scum team. Apparently I'm in the minority on that, so why does it bother you so much? If you want me off of you, then find a better candidate. Whether you like my playstyle or not, I happen to have a confirmable role so any mud you decide to sling my way is just beating a dead horse at this point.
Are you from the UK? I've always wanted to be called a "tosser" by someone with a British accent!
I'm from Maine.
Sorry, that was totally un-game related.
3 Most Experienced Players in this game? I haven't the foggiest, although I'm betting that group includes me (except that I haven't played since my life kinda fell apart a few years back).
why is this relevant?
How many games have you played?
because the top 3 is probably Nis, Wheatums, pinkfloyd
I'm not aware how active you were when you were playing regularly.
As far as stalker vs. watcher- I don't know. I'm not going to game the mod. Perhaps he made a typo in my role pm. The ability was spelled out pretty clearly, so I didn't question it.
yes blame ito n the mod because you slipped.
As far as OMGUS, all I've got to go on so far is the sketchy attack on me made by the three of you. Till a better case is made against someone else, you 3 are my choice as scum team. Apparently I'm in the minority on that, so why does it bother you so much? If you want me off of you, then find a better candidate. Whether you like my playstyle or not, I happen to have a confirmable role so any mud you decide to sling my way is just beating a dead horse at this point.
It only bothers me because you were only attacking pf wheatums and ibecause we were attacking you.
yo uprovided zero case.
I don't really care how you play, your playstyle isn't even annoying, why did you bring that up?
you are not confirmable. Watchers and trackers are used to confirm OTHER roles.
the only way we can confirm you is if another power role outs (stupid) and you :watch: to see who they target, and even at that point it could be a scum gambit.
tl;dr I'm calling BS on your claim and I hope the other players have enough snse to lynch you
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Not sure why its relevant. Someone asked. I live to serve.
I've played more games than I can count between here and Mafiascum.
You could always go back and read those games if you're bored. The old names would be draygn_mage and Shadow Knight.
I'm not blaming anyone, I just tell it like it is.
Actually, if you want to get down to it, I attacked wheat because he drew my attention to him by attacking me and when I reread his posts, I found that most of them pinged my scumdar. I actually went out of my way to say that I wasn't sure if pf was scum or just misguided townie, but right now, he's my only lead for a 3rd scum. If you notice, I'm still voting wheat, not pf. You're on my list because you're pushing a bad wagon for bad reasons. The fact that its on me is irrelevant. Had the three of you made the same posts about anyone else in here for the same "reasons" I'd be on you just as hard.
what the hell is wrong with you guys?
dork knight acts scummy throughout the game, drops an obvious fakeclaim and you're all like "lol kay lets ignore it"
It'll come out in the wash later if he's scum. Why go ahead on 99% when you can go on 100% later?
As far as stalker vs. watcher- I don't know. I'm not going to game the mod. Perhaps he made a typo in my role pm. The ability was spelled out pretty clearly, so I didn't question it.
Not sure why its relevant. Someone asked. I live to serve.
I asked because PF, Yanni, and I all have quite a bit of experience. From my POV, it seemed like you were painting targets on the players who were most experienced, hoping to take one down with you.
I asked because PF, Yanni, and I all have quite a bit of experience. From my POV, it seemed like you were painting targets on the players who were most experienced, hoping to take one down with you.
If DK's scum, his accusation of you three doesn't bring you down when he flips. If DK's town, his accusation will actually be taken seriously. But you claim to think he's scum and accuse him of this?
I think Wheat just scum-slipped.
Vote Wheat_Grinder
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Here's the aforementioned pbpa. Reads and comments are highly appreciated. I chose KoolKoal because I had a fishy feeling about him, but that changed during the making of it.
I decided to go through KoolKoals posts and try to look at the motivation behind them.
pinkfloyd has now posted twice, so your argument is invalid!
I don't see the point in changing your vote in RVS unless your jokevote is actually funny. This is not. It is also after pinkfloyd has called out his two scumreads, which should imply that rvs is in fact over.
Unvote
Two rvs votes for people who aren't playing.
Were you trying to participate in rvs but afraid to ruffle any feathers?
I knew I would be called out for my votes when I read them after posting, and then figured I could gauge reactions on it. Initially I thought KK was town for beeing the first to comment on it, but he backed off immediately after I called him town for it. I think this means that he's just happy that he got a town point for it. Town does not care about getting town points.
Once again: I never said it looked like you wanted to end RVS. I said it looked like you were trying to ignore it.
Aside from that, this post is much more townie than your last few. hmm.
He could. I see he could actually benefit from my assumption that his opinions were the same as mine if he is. Not a very big benefit, but a benefit.
Sloppy play on my part.
You haven't read many of Audinho's games have you?
This is what made me doubt KK's townieness. The metadefence of me is weird, uncalled for and actually quite weak since he says he has only read a very small selection of my games (two in which I replaced in, the last I was NK'ed N1). The only reasons for this I can find is that he wants to buddy me as well as get all the attention focused on 22.
I, for one, am voting him because of his response to the pressure about the RVS post, not the RVS post itself.
Defending his vote to Nis, which there are really no reason to do. 22 was at L-3, but that's not even near dangerous in a basic. Nis' warning is legitimate to those who had not yet voted to be careful, and doesn't really affect the ones allready on the wagon.
Mean Girls and Animaniacs I remember off the top of my head. I think there's more.
I'd rather not make someone claim who I realized I was reading incorrectly no matter how it makes me look.
I question him on the metadefence of me, and he comes up with two games I hardly participated in. I thought the reasoning for the unvote looked fair, but after Nis' post I don't see how 22 was going to be pushed to a claim.
*Nods at Nis's last post* I accept everything you say here, Nis.
Can you show exactly where 22bebo has scummy responses? Because I now think we were wrong about him.
And where+what are these priceless reactions from other people.
Completes a 180 on 22 ("I think we were wrong") but is also basically asking Nis what to think. Buddying Nis seems to be the motivation behind this one. Also says he has read Ghost Story in the case of my meta. I guess I actually got to play a bit in that game.
If DK's scum, his accusation of you three doesn't bring you down when he flips. If DK's town, his accusation will actually be
taken seriously. But you claim to think he's scum and accuse him of this?
I think Wheat just scum-slipped.
Vote Wheat_Grinder
I think that KK is misinterpreting Wheat's post.
To sum up: I thought, going into this pbpa, that KK could be scum. After going through it with a critical and even biased eye (I have a tendency to decide the outcome before I even begin, which sucks), the simplest and most elegant explanation is that KK is eager town. He has been trying to scumhunt and making cases out of small things, which makes it look fishy when it falls apart. His metadefence of me is strange, but if he read Ghost Story then I guess it's valid.
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It'll come out in the wash later if he's scum. Why go ahead on 99% when you can go on 100% later?
Manders is a lady.
Whoa Nis is more experienced than you? Had he played more games in the past in addition to the handful recently and I just wasn't around to notice?
I asked because PF, Yanni, and I all have quite a bit of experience. From my POV, it seemed like you were painting targets on the players who were most experienced, hoping to take one down with you.
I'm not 100% sure he's scum, but I've never 100% sure anyone is any alignment until the mod says they are. I'm just pissed you guysa re willing to ignore such a blatant false claim.
I'm fairly certain Nis and DK have played more games than myself cause I took a few months of break.
again I don't see how this is relevant and I think your logic is crappy as to why DK was picking hte three of us. I'm certain it's just an failing OMGUS
If DK's scum, his accusation of you three doesn't bring you down when he flips. If DK's town, his accusation will actually be taken seriously. But you claim to think he's scum and accuse him of this?
I think Wheat just scum-slipped.
Vote Wheat_Grinder
I think you're reading into his statement a little too much.
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If DK's scum, his accusation of you three doesn't bring you down when he flips. If DK's town, his accusation will actually be taken seriously. But you claim to think he's scum and accuse him of this?
I think Wheat just scum-slipped.
Vote Wheat_Grinder
Town points for looking in-depth for the motive, but you're off the mark by just a hair. There's a third case you haven't considered: If DK is falsely believed to be town before he flips.
I'm not 100% sure he's scum, but I've never 100% sure anyone is any alignment until the mod says they are. I'm just pissed you guysa re willing to ignore such a blatant false claim.
Better to make absolutely sure where possible. This is one of the few instances where making absolutely sure IS possible.
If DK's scum, his accusation of you three doesn't bring you down when he flips. If DK's town, his accusation will actually be taken seriously. But you claim to think he's scum and accuse him of this?
I think Wheat just scum-slipped.
Vote Wheat_Grinder
I think he meant that if DK can convince us to lynch one of them today, then we lynch him tomorrow. Not saying that's DK's plan, just what I think Wheat meant.
I'm not 100% sure he's scum, but I've never 100% sure anyone is any alignment until the mod says they are. I'm just pissed you guysa re willing to ignore such a blatant false claim.
I actually had this issue in one of the few games I was in before, when someone actually claimed scum. We weren't sure what to do, as you can essentially just ignore them and vote them off later. I think that's kind of what they're saying. We have a way to prove he's scum if he is, so why waste a lynch on him now? I think it makes sense to not run the risk of losing DK because his role is a pretty powerful one in theory, and, as I said, can be confirmed with relative ease.
how do you guys propose we confirm DK's role?
if he's scum, he gambits with a team mate and they get a free pass.
if he's scum, he picks someone at random, who turns out to be vanilla, and he gets a free pass.
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Random vote. Even RVS-posts has a motivation, on purpose or not. I have a feeling this vote might be a subconcious fear of Iso.
subconscious?
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This is what made me doubt KK's townieness. The metadefence of me is weird, uncalled for and actually quite weak since he says he has only read a very small selection of my games (two in which I replaced in, the last I was NK'ed N1).
Maybe I'm being over confident in my abilities, but I feel like you've played exactly the same in every game I've read.
Town points for looking in-depth for the motive, but you're off the mark by just a hair. There's a third case you haven't considered: If DK is falsely believed to be town before he flips.
And I felt so smart for "catching" you too. unvote
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how do you guys propose we confirm DK's role?
if he's scum, he gambits with a team mate and they get a free pass.
if he's scum, he picks someone at random, who turns out to be vanilla, and he gets a free pass.
The issue here is that liars *always* get caught. In option A, when I was caught, you'd have two scum for the price of one. In option B, when I was caught, I'd still be caught and then lynched.
I'm sorry I've been neglecting you guys. I've been working a lot of hours and not sleeping. I'll do my best to give you the attention you deserve later today, but I recommend you not hold your breath because it's my birthday and I intend to have fun with my baby!!
The issue here is that liars *always* get caught. In option A, when I was caught, you'd have two scum for the price of one. In option B, when I was caught, I'd still be caught and then lynched.
the weird thing is, liars don't always get caught.
assuming that they do and we can just wait it out is facile.
I'm sorry I've been neglecting you guys. I've been working a lot of hours and not sleeping. I'll do my best to give you the attention you deserve later today, but I recommend you not hold your breath because it's my birthday and I intend to have fun with my baby!!
Marblez will be prodded and a VC made asap.
you must have a baby with multiple personality disorder, because I count twelve voices.
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Whoa Nis is more experienced than you? Had he played more games in the past in addition to the handful recently and I just wasn't around to notice?
That surprised me too. I do have a few games under my belt on this site and more than a few back on the old Wizards' boards many moons ago, but the rust is definitely shaking off slowly.
Post 101 saying you have an October surprise of some sort to use against 22bebo and possibly DK.
My post 104 asking why you pegged Wheat as town and calling out your "surprise".
Post 132 where you say 22bebo is "growing on you" but now DK is your #1. Here you vote for him with no further explanation. You do have a valid observation about Marblez.
Post 134. You add TMCT to your town pile. Is this because, like Wheat, his stance on DK at this point mirror your own?
Post 160 where you ask me if you've covered this already. In the interests of being thorough I've compiled this list to show that you have not answered my question concerning your placement of Wheat into your town pile nor have you revealed some big surprise.
I'm not going to let you sweep this under the rug.
Sorry Manders- totally missed that you were female. Noted.
@Yanni- you gotta make up your mind, dude. I get that in your mind, there is no chance that I'm town. But can you at least pick one- either I'm awful at mafia and suck so much that I got caught day 1 or I'm awesome at mafia and managed to fake-claim a role that could have been counter claimed by apparently 2 different other roles and you expect me to be able to lie about my night targets effectively for the rest of the game. Now, the reason why you're wrong and lying about my ability will get me caught is as follows. We'll stack the deck in my favor too. Say I and my scum buddy Bob decide to gambit this out. I say I watched Bob and no one targeted him. That leaves all 9 townies to possibly counter me saying they targeted Bob and now I'm screwed. And the odds only get worse if I choose a townie at random to lie about. Now the townie could counter me and say he targeted someone last night or that someone targeted him last night *AND* another party could counter me.
Please tell me you at least see the logic in this.
I'm sorry I've been neglecting you guys. I've been working a lot of hours and not sleeping. I'll do my best to give you the attention you deserve later today, but I recommend you not hold your breath because it's my birthday and I intend to have fun with my baby!!
Marblez will be prodded and a VC made asap.
I was litterarily going "Omg! Lurking scum! GOTCHA!" before I realized Manders is the mod. Why does everyone have to have the same dead dictator in theire avatars?
Speaking of lurking scum: Scum are lurking in this game from the start as in every other game I've ever been in. Mark my words.
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I was litterarily going "Omg! Lurking scum! GOTCHA!" before I realized Manders is the mod. Why does everyone have to have the same dead dictator in theire avatars?
I have a different dead dictator, does that count?
Speaking of lurking scum: Scum are lurking in this game from the start as in every other game I've ever been in. Mark my words.
As usually I have no clue, but I would bet a lot on Marblez or sXe beeing one of them.
And I'm going to go on to a limb here, because the tone of your question doesn't sit right with me. It sounds to curious.
unvote, vote Wheatums
Now I'm no stranger to being voted, but this is the third time I've been voted this game with weak reasoning.
I asked because Marblez and sXe were the two that stuck out in my mind as lurking, meaning you had to have a third in mind. Your reaction seems rather poor and fence-sitty. The fence-sitting I'm not worried about because you do that, but the vote smelled of OMGUS. I'm going to be watching you here.
Now I'm no stranger to being voted, but this is the third time I've been voted this game with weak reasoning.
I asked because Marblez and sXe were the two that stuck out in my mind as lurking, meaning you had to have a third in mind. Your reaction seems rather poor and fence-sitty. The fence-sitting I'm not worried about because you do that, but the vote smelled of OMGUS. I'm going to be watching you here.
You know me
No, it's not omgus, it's pure gut. I'll easily admit it's weak, but that sentence just does not sit right with me. I'm probably trying to hard, but I'm sticking to my guns, no matter how feeble they must seem!
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Boardgame - VT- Loss
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Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
I asked because Marblez and sXe were the two that stuck out in my mind as lurking, meaning you had to have a third in mind. Your reaction seems rather poor and fence-sitty. The fence-sitting I'm not worried about because you do that, but the vote smelled of OMGUS. I'm going to be watching you here.
I realize this was directed at Audinho, but it caught my eye because to be honest, I totally forgot that sXe was even in the game. Marblez was still on my radar, because he posted his opinion of Dork Knight, but sXe hasn't even posted any content besides "wake me up when RVS is over" on the 31st and an apology on the 6th for not posting at all. I realize that RL happens, but that's pretty extreme not-posting.
Marblez also only has two posts, but since one provided some content, it is marginally better. I can understand a scumteam member lurking, but what is the likelihood that both lurkers would be scum?
As usually I have no clue, but I would bet a lot on Marblez or sXe beeing one of them.
And I'm going to go on to a limb here, because the tone of your question doesn't sit right with me. It sounds to curious.
unvote, vote Wheatums
I'm surprised by this vote. Wheatums question didn't seem that prying, he was just asking your opinion, and you immediately turned it around with a vote on him?
I read curiosity in the question, and a scum mindset thereof since it's not scumhunting but wanting to know whom my suspects are ("Are you pointing fingers at my buddy or not").
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@Yanni- you gotta make up your mind, dude. I get that in your mind, there is no chance that I'm town. But can you at least pick one- either I'm awful at mafia and suck so much that I got caught day 1 or I'm awesome at mafia and managed to fake-claim a role that could have been counter claimed by apparently 2 different other roles and you expect me to be able to lie about my night targets effectively for the rest of the game. Now, the reason why you're wrong and lying about my ability will get me caught is as follows. We'll stack the deck in my favor too. Say I and my scum buddy Bob decide to gambit this out. I say I watched Bob and no one targeted him. That leaves all 9 townies to possibly counter me saying they targeted Bob and now I'm screwed. And the odds only get worse if I choose a townie at random to lie about. Now the townie could counter me and say he targeted someone last night or that someone targeted him last night *AND* another party could counter me.
Please tell me you at least see the logic in this.
I think you're good, but being good doesn't mean you won't get caught.
I see your ogic, you're just leaving some stuff out.
what the hell is wrong with you guys?
dork knight acts scummy throughout the game, drops an obvious fakeclaim and you're all like "lol kay lets ignore it"
I really just don't want to risk it when there are 3 scum anyway.
Post 101 saying you have an October surprise of some sort to use against 22bebo and possibly DK.
My post 104 asking why you pegged Wheat as town and calling out your "surprise".
Post 132 where you say 22bebo is "growing on you" but now DK is your #1. Here you vote for him with no further explanation. You do have a valid observation about Marblez.
Post 134. You add TMCT to your town pile. Is this because, like Wheat, his stance on DK at this point mirror your own?
Post 160 where you ask me if you've covered this already. In the interests of being thorough I've compiled this list to show that you have not answered my question concerning your placement of Wheat into your town pile nor have you revealed some big surprise.
I'm not going to let you sweep this under the rug.
You asked me why I think Wheat is town and I provided a quote of what a townie would say, what else do you want? And I'm not sweeping it you can ask me anything anytime.
We are close to 200 posts and I really don't have an opinion of sXe or marblez and I really want to push Marblez more so can you guys hurry up and vote the scum Marblez with me?
You asked me why I think Wheat is town and I provided a quote of what a townie would say, what else do you want?
So your townie qualification is people that agree with you? Both Wheat and TMCT expressed opinions that are close to your own and you mark both of them as town. That feels incomplete to me.
Furthermore, was your TMCT quote supposed to be your answer to my question about your views on Wheat? I'm not sure how quoting one player makes your stance on another player stronger. If it's supposed to be another quotation please point it out to me. Seriously I'm just not seeing it.
So your townie qualification is people that agree with you? Both Wheat and TMCT expressed opinions that are close to your own and you mark both of them as town. That feels incomplete to me.
Furthermore, was your TMCT quote supposed to be your answer to my question about your views on Wheat? I'm not sure how quoting one player makes your stance on another player stronger. If it's supposed to be another quotation please point it out to me. Seriously I'm just not seeing it.
But you are avoiding answering. A townie can provide a direct answer to a question, even if that answer is "I made a mistake."
No its the way they agree with me, they see the same tells and signs of why they are scum. If someone just /barned me or almost said the exact same thing I would be like "lol scum clinging to me" but they said the same things I was thinking.
What's TMCT? And I think one can compare polar opposites between players to assume what their alignment is.
Its not avoiding it if I asked "I already answered it, no?". That was specifically asking you to correct me if I was wrong, you did, and now I responded. I would have been avoiding it if I said "I already answered it" or I just didn't respond.
No its the way they agree with me, they see the same tells and signs of why they are scum. If someone just /barned me or almost said the exact same thing I would be like "lol scum clinging to me" but they said the same things I was thinking.
This is the total content of Wheat's post that you quoted and put him down as town:
Its not avoiding it if I asked "I already answered it, no?". That was specifically asking you to correct me if I was wrong, you did, and now I responded. I would have been avoiding it if I said "I already answered it" or I just didn't respond.
You're pinging my scumdar because you're not giving good answers. Even now you have contradicted yourself by saying you won't place a /barn as town, which is exactly what you did.
This is the total content of Wheat's post that you quoted and put him down as town:
Eight words. Three of those an aside to you. One specifically a /barn. Four telling sXe RVS was over. It was a content-less post.
The Most Curious Thing. Neat name, long to type. I'd like to call him Curio but TMCT seems clearer.
You're pinging my scumdar because you're not giving good answers. Even now you have contradicted yourself by saying you won't place a /barn as town, which is exactly what you did.
1. He /barned Yanni, not me.
2. The selling point was "rvs has ended sXe", that is what made him town at that point.
Oh I forgot to add that scum wouldn't try to end RVS so quickly, bring positive attention to a townie (me) who made quite an aggressive post and tell someone to provide content and start working for the town.
I can understand assigning town points to someone who makes a point that you are thinking, but Wheat wasn't doing that. He was /barning an idea of someone else who was making a point that you were thinking. You are giving him town cred by proxy.
2. The selling point was "rvs has ended sXe", that is what made him town at that point.
I get you now. If you had explained this from the beginning I would have backed off. Not that I really agree that those four words are a strong indicator of alignment, but at least now I know what struck you.
Oh I forgot to add that scum wouldn't try to end RVS so quickly, bring positive attention to a townie (me) who made quite an aggressive post and tell someone to provide content and start working for the town.
"Also RVS ended, sXe." said all that to me.
Scum wanting to appear as town might. That's why I don't ascribe much meaning to four words so early in the game.
I can understand assigning town points to someone who makes a point that you are thinking, but Wheat wasn't doing that. He was /barning an idea of someone else who was making a point that you were thinking. You are giving him town cred by proxy.
I get you now. If you had explained this from the beginning I would have backed off. Not that I really agree that those four words are a strong indicator of alignment, but at least now I know what struck you.
Scum wanting to appear as town might. That's why I don't ascribe much meaning to four words so early in the game.
Ahh but you see I thought Yanni was acting town before wheat /barned that. And the barn is just the icing on the cake of that statement.
No, not wheat. It would have been so much easier to be under that radar and also turn what I said on me. Its not easy to blatantly claim 2 people are scum 2 posts into the game, scum could have just wagoned me.
I'm not saying he's falseclaiming yet. I just find it odd since he's not just a watcher, but a tracker as well. I could see such a combo in a basic despite its power, and I could see it being called just a watcher. But I still find it suspicious.
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It was evident from what I said before that. I said that I thought it might be coaching, he laughed and said he was too experienced to be coached, I then said that maybe I had the definition wrong and asked, to which PinkFloyd responded and seemed to provide an example, which is where the post you quoted came from.
It was three times, on a recount. Two of them were to figure out what it was, one was actually me misusing it in game.
Agreed, although couldn't he just say neither targeted several times if it was a falseclaim?
If you aren't CC'd with that double-ability then you're not the lynch Today.
I want to see more from sXe, but there are evidently RL issues there so I won't press. And Marblez, I still want you to answer my question regardless of DK's claim. I'll be straightening out my reads on the other eight players with a reread.
Didn't think about you providing names too. Stupidity on my part.
Unvote.
As KoolKoal said, this is a pretty gutsy ability. It's pretty easy to catch this role in a lie if names are given, so I'd say you're pretty safely town.
I agree that it's a little weird that his role is called a watcher, but it's a little too bold to consider falseclaiming at this time. There are other people that we can investigate in the mean time.
Also, re:Wheat/@Wheat: How can you assume that pf is town because he's hunting, and that he always lurks when he's scum? I know that others have already mentioned this, but wouldn't it behoove him to not lurk as scum, if he is scum and that's his usual meta? I'm skeptical about your willingness to immediately accept him as town because he's doing what he usually does as town.
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I'll say it now, in case I don't survive the night. My guess for scum team is Yanni, pink floyd, and wheat.
I answered this already, no?
Things.
What things? There is no point posting an opinion of someones alignment if you cannot tell us what made you feel that way.
But that's the thing, it wasn't even a case it was just a statement.
I was lynced because of this in SSB mafia and I don't want to risk the 0.01% that he is actually a watcher/tracker because that will hurt us too much.
unvote, vote marblez
I haven't been online since around the time of my last post, I'm an adult and have a job.
Also, just because you have claimed a PR it doesn't make you invincible and OMGUSing the 3 people that are the hardest on your case won't make you look legit either.
At least us three would be doing a good job if we were scum lol
LOL
this is a false claim.
This is the wording for a stalker, not a watcher.
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I was a stalker in Basic...53 I think it was? Magic School Bus Mafia. It is a basic role.
Could be just buying time, but either way it'll come out in the wash whether or not it's a true or fake claim.
Meta is a big part of why I think he's town. Also the fact that what he's posting is making sense, mostly.
I don't always remember to get on MTGS everyday. I didn't see your claim until morning.
Quick question; who are the three most experienced players in this game?
My statement still stands.
That bugged me too, but we'll know in time if it's false. Doesn't hurt to let it go for now.
dork knight acts scummy throughout the game, drops an obvious fakeclaim and you're all like "lol kay lets ignore it"
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also OMGUS
just because you claimed doesn't clear you as town and it doesn't wipe your slate clean of being a complete tosser early in the game.
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Sorry, that was totally un-game related.
3 Most Experienced Players in this game? I haven't the foggiest, although I'm betting that group includes me (except that I haven't played since my life kinda fell apart a few years back).
As far as stalker vs. watcher- I don't know. I'm not going to game the mod. Perhaps he made a typo in my role pm. The ability was spelled out pretty clearly, so I didn't question it.
As far as OMGUS, all I've got to go on so far is the sketchy attack on me made by the three of you. Till a better case is made against someone else, you 3 are my choice as scum team. Apparently I'm in the minority on that, so why does it bother you so much? If you want me off of you, then find a better candidate. Whether you like my playstyle or not, I happen to have a confirmable role so any mud you decide to sling my way is just beating a dead horse at this point.
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why is this relevant?
How many games have you played?
because the top 3 is probably Nis, Wheatums, pinkfloyd
I'm not aware how active you were when you were playing regularly.
yes blame ito n the mod because you slipped.
It only bothers me because you were only attacking pf wheatums and ibecause we were attacking you.
yo uprovided zero case.
I don't really care how you play, your playstyle isn't even annoying, why did you bring that up?
you are not confirmable. Watchers and trackers are used to confirm OTHER roles.
the only way we can confirm you is if another power role outs (stupid) and you :watch: to see who they target, and even at that point it could be a scum gambit.
tl;dr I'm calling BS on your claim and I hope the other players have enough snse to lynch you
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I've played more games than I can count between here and Mafiascum.
You could always go back and read those games if you're bored. The old names would be draygn_mage and Shadow Knight.
I'm not blaming anyone, I just tell it like it is.
Actually, if you want to get down to it, I attacked wheat because he drew my attention to him by attacking me and when I reread his posts, I found that most of them pinged my scumdar. I actually went out of my way to say that I wasn't sure if pf was scum or just misguided townie, but right now, he's my only lead for a 3rd scum. If you notice, I'm still voting wheat, not pf. You're on my list because you're pushing a bad wagon for bad reasons. The fact that its on me is irrelevant. Had the three of you made the same posts about anyone else in here for the same "reasons" I'd be on you just as hard.
It'll come out in the wash later if he's scum. Why go ahead on 99% when you can go on 100% later?
Manders is a lady.
Whoa Nis is more experienced than you? Had he played more games in the past in addition to the handful recently and I just wasn't around to notice?
I asked because PF, Yanni, and I all have quite a bit of experience. From my POV, it seemed like you were painting targets on the players who were most experienced, hoping to take one down with you.
I think Wheat just scum-slipped.
Vote Wheat_Grinder
I decided to go through KoolKoals posts and try to look at the motivation behind them.
Random vote. Even RVS-posts has a motivation, on purpose or not. I have a feeling this vote might be a subconcious fear of Iso.
I don't see the point in changing your vote in RVS unless your jokevote is actually funny. This is not. It is also after pinkfloyd has called out his two scumreads, which should imply that rvs is in fact over.
I knew I would be called out for my votes when I read them after posting, and then figured I could gauge reactions on it. Initially I thought KK was town for beeing the first to comment on it, but he backed off immediately after I called him town for it. I think this means that he's just happy that he got a town point for it. Town does not care about getting town points.
Shifting to 22, aka the newb player who pf called out, aka the only noteable player during rvs besides myself.
On 22.
On 22. Still basically saying "PF said you were scum. Defend!"
Voting based on a misrep which really looks like a misunderstanding (hindsight 20/20 though)
So if PF saw what KK thinks he saw, then the case stands, and if he didn't then... No case?
This is what made me doubt KK's townieness. The metadefence of me is weird, uncalled for and actually quite weak since he says he has only read a very small selection of my games (two in which I replaced in, the last I was NK'ed N1). The only reasons for this I can find is that he wants to buddy me as well as get all the attention focused on 22.
Still 22.
Defending his vote to Nis, which there are really no reason to do. 22 was at L-3, but that's not even near dangerous in a basic. Nis' warning is legitimate to those who had not yet voted to be careful, and doesn't really affect the ones allready on the wagon.
Nis comes in defending 22, basically saying what 22 has been saying all along, and there's the unvote. Motivation: feels threatened.
I question him on the metadefence of me, and he comes up with two games I hardly participated in. I thought the reasoning for the unvote looked fair, but after Nis' post I don't see how 22 was going to be pushed to a claim.
Completes a 180 on 22 ("I think we were wrong") but is also basically asking Nis what to think. Buddying Nis seems to be the motivation behind this one. Also says he has read Ghost Story in the case of my meta. I guess I actually got to play a bit in that game.
Defending that he was scumhunting and questioning DK's choice of words. Motivation: Selfdefence and clarity in the game.
I agree with this asessment if the claim. Motivation: Comment on the claim, ofc.
I think that KK is misinterpreting Wheat's post.
To sum up: I thought, going into this pbpa, that KK could be scum. After going through it with a critical and even biased eye (I have a tendency to decide the outcome before I even begin, which sucks), the simplest and most elegant explanation is that KK is eager town. He has been trying to scumhunt and making cases out of small things, which makes it look fishy when it falls apart. His metadefence of me is strange, but if he read Ghost Story then I guess it's valid.
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I'm not 100% sure he's scum, but I've never 100% sure anyone is any alignment until the mod says they are. I'm just pissed you guysa re willing to ignore such a blatant false claim.
I'm fairly certain Nis and DK have played more games than myself cause I took a few months of break.
again I don't see how this is relevant and I think your logic is crappy as to why DK was picking hte three of us. I'm certain it's just an failing OMGUS
I think you're reading into his statement a little too much.
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Town points for looking in-depth for the motive, but you're off the mark by just a hair. There's a third case you haven't considered: If DK is falsely believed to be town before he flips.
Better to make absolutely sure where possible. This is one of the few instances where making absolutely sure IS possible.
I think he meant that if DK can convince us to lynch one of them today, then we lynch him tomorrow. Not saying that's DK's plan, just what I think Wheat meant.
I actually had this issue in one of the few games I was in before, when someone actually claimed scum. We weren't sure what to do, as you can essentially just ignore them and vote them off later. I think that's kind of what they're saying. We have a way to prove he's scum if he is, so why waste a lynch on him now? I think it makes sense to not run the risk of losing DK because his role is a pretty powerful one in theory, and, as I said, can be confirmed with relative ease.
if he's scum, he gambits with a team mate and they get a free pass.
if he's scum, he picks someone at random, who turns out to be vanilla, and he gets a free pass.
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The same way we confirm every PR's alignment in a basic. We wait until there's a claim by a similar role; hopefully as late as possible.
Maybe I'm being over confident in my abilities, but I feel like you've played exactly the same in every game I've read.
And I felt so smart for "catching" you too. unvote
The issue here is that liars *always* get caught. In option A, when I was caught, you'd have two scum for the price of one. In option B, when I was caught, I'd still be caught and then lynched.
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the weird thing is, liars don't always get caught.
assuming that they do and we can just wait it out is facile.
you must have a baby with multiple personality disorder, because I count twelve voices.
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That surprised me too. I do have a few games under my belt on this site and more than a few back on the old Wizards' boards many moons ago, but the rust is definitely shaking off slowly.
I'm not going to let you sweep this under the rug.
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@Yanni- you gotta make up your mind, dude. I get that in your mind, there is no chance that I'm town. But can you at least pick one- either I'm awful at mafia and suck so much that I got caught day 1 or I'm awesome at mafia and managed to fake-claim a role that could have been counter claimed by apparently 2 different other roles and you expect me to be able to lie about my night targets effectively for the rest of the game. Now, the reason why you're wrong and lying about my ability will get me caught is as follows. We'll stack the deck in my favor too. Say I and my scum buddy Bob decide to gambit this out. I say I watched Bob and no one targeted him. That leaves all 9 townies to possibly counter me saying they targeted Bob and now I'm screwed. And the odds only get worse if I choose a townie at random to lie about. Now the townie could counter me and say he targeted someone last night or that someone targeted him last night *AND* another party could counter me.
Please tell me you at least see the logic in this.
I was litterarily going "Omg! Lurking scum! GOTCHA!" before I realized Manders is the mod. Why does everyone have to have the same dead dictator in theire avatars?
Speaking of lurking scum: Scum are lurking in this game from the start as in every other game I've ever been in. Mark my words.
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I have a different dead dictator, does that count?
Who would you mark as the scumteam then?
As usually I have no clue, but I would bet a lot on Marblez or sXe beeing one of them.
And I'm going to go on to a limb here, because the tone of your question doesn't sit right with me. It sounds to curious.
unvote, vote Wheatums
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Now I'm no stranger to being voted, but this is the third time I've been voted this game with weak reasoning.
I asked because Marblez and sXe were the two that stuck out in my mind as lurking, meaning you had to have a third in mind. Your reaction seems rather poor and fence-sitty. The fence-sitting I'm not worried about because you do that, but the vote smelled of OMGUS. I'm going to be watching you here.
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No, it's not omgus, it's pure gut. I'll easily admit it's weak, but that sentence just does not sit right with me. I'm probably trying to hard, but I'm sticking to my guns, no matter how feeble they must seem!
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I realize this was directed at Audinho, but it caught my eye because to be honest, I totally forgot that sXe was even in the game. Marblez was still on my radar, because he posted his opinion of Dork Knight, but sXe hasn't even posted any content besides "wake me up when RVS is over" on the 31st and an apology on the 6th for not posting at all. I realize that RL happens, but that's pretty extreme not-posting.
Marblez also only has two posts, but since one provided some content, it is marginally better. I can understand a scumteam member lurking, but what is the likelihood that both lurkers would be scum?
I'm surprised by this vote. Wheatums question didn't seem that prying, he was just asking your opinion, and you immediately turned it around with a vote on him?
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I think you're good, but being good doesn't mean you won't get caught.
I see your ogic, you're just leaving some stuff out.
wow this post left a bad taste in my mouth
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I really just don't want to risk it when there are 3 scum anyway.
You asked me why I think Wheat is town and I provided a quote of what a townie would say, what else do you want? And I'm not sweeping it you can ask me anything anytime.
We are close to 200 posts and I really don't have an opinion of sXe or marblez and I really want to push Marblez more so can you guys hurry up and vote the scum Marblez with me?
LOL
So your townie qualification is people that agree with you? Both Wheat and TMCT expressed opinions that are close to your own and you mark both of them as town. That feels incomplete to me.
Furthermore, was your TMCT quote supposed to be your answer to my question about your views on Wheat? I'm not sure how quoting one player makes your stance on another player stronger. If it's supposed to be another quotation please point it out to me. Seriously I'm just not seeing it.
But you are avoiding answering. A townie can provide a direct answer to a question, even if that answer is "I made a mistake."
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The first rule of Cursecatcher is, You do not talk about Cursecatcher.
No its the way they agree with me, they see the same tells and signs of why they are scum. If someone just /barned me or almost said the exact same thing I would be like "lol scum clinging to me" but they said the same things I was thinking.
What's TMCT? And I think one can compare polar opposites between players to assume what their alignment is.
Its not avoiding it if I asked "I already answered it, no?". That was specifically asking you to correct me if I was wrong, you did, and now I responded. I would have been avoiding it if I said "I already answered it" or I just didn't respond.
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This is the total content of Wheat's post that you quoted and put him down as town:
Eight words. Three of those an aside to you. One specifically a /barn. Four telling sXe RVS was over. It was a content-less post.
The Most Curious Thing. Neat name, long to type. I'd like to call him Curio but TMCT seems clearer.
You're pinging my scumdar because you're not giving good answers. Even now you have contradicted yourself by saying you won't place a /barn as town, which is exactly what you did.
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The first rule of Cursecatcher is, You do not talk about Cursecatcher.
1. He /barned Yanni, not me.
2. The selling point was "rvs has ended sXe", that is what made him town at that point.
Cool, vote me.
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"Also RVS ended, sXe." said all that to me.
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I can understand assigning town points to someone who makes a point that you are thinking, but Wheat wasn't doing that. He was /barning an idea of someone else who was making a point that you were thinking. You are giving him town cred by proxy.
I get you now. If you had explained this from the beginning I would have backed off. Not that I really agree that those four words are a strong indicator of alignment, but at least now I know what struck you.
Scum wanting to appear as town might. That's why I don't ascribe much meaning to four words so early in the game.
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The first rule of Cursecatcher is, You do not talk about Cursecatcher.
Ahh but you see I thought Yanni was acting town before wheat /barned that. And the barn is just the icing on the cake of that statement.
No, not wheat. It would have been so much easier to be under that radar and also turn what I said on me. Its not easy to blatantly claim 2 people are scum 2 posts into the game, scum could have just wagoned me.
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