*Nods at Nis's last post* I accept everything you say here, Nis.
Can you show exactly where 22bebo has scummy responses? Because I now think we were wrong about him.
And where+what are these priceless reactions from other people.
Lets analyze the first 2 quotes that I brought up:
Hey guys, haven't even read the OP yet. Just wanted to confirm I'm here before I have to leave for a few hours!
This screams of forced ignorance and a lack of time to make an impact. It feels like worried scum just posting in rvs to check in and fly under the radar.
The use of another game to make it look like he is making a good point when its completely irrelevant. Again its all about doing something without actually doing something.
Because it was random voting stage, and saying someone is scum during that isn't a huge tell in my opinion.
Unvote
"Tell"
Why dropping buzzwords? I never posted anything about it being a tell I just blatantly said they were scum. Also the unvote to look normal, get caught in the crowd.
The other reactions I want to save for later, as a surprise.
1. How can I smear what you said when you said nothing?
2. I'm not all that interested in how I look. I'm interested in catching scum.
3. I would say you're tunneling, but even that requires an actual case of some type.
@Anyone else- did I miss where pf posted an actual reason for voting me?
Me- random vote for stupid reason
blah blah blah
pf- dork is obv scum
Me- mentally double checking role PM
blah blah blah
Me- sarvcastic post about lurkers
pf- obv scum is obv. kill himz.
Me- ???
1. Smear.
2. You should as being town is being part of a team and if the rest of your team thinks you are with them it helps more than scumhunting.
3. How can it be tunneling when I'm on 2 different people? Was that a slip and you are implying that you and 22 are on the same alignment?
Town read, trying to continue discussion somewhere that will help the town.
Wait. So the person who barns the person who barns you has a higher town read for you? Besides that one post Wheat has said he'll be on V/LA. How do you get town read from one post when it's just parroting you?
Ovverreaction and quite a cold worried reply. If it was me I would have been like "lol okay" and not ever care about ONE PERSONS opinion 3 pages in.
So, you're agreeing with Yanni and KK that Dork Knight and 22bebo are scum because they both ignored your post calling them scum and now you're saying that DK's reaction was scummy because he didn't just continue to ignore your post calling them scum? At least give them rules that are consistent.
The other reactions I want to save for later, as a surprise.
Why wait? If you want to make a case against one of these two for today's lynch then put forth your evidence. Teasing some sort of "surprise" doesn't make me tremble in anticipation; it makes me view you as lacking an actual case.
He wasn't saying you were tunneling. He was saying he would think you were tunneling but since you don't have an actual case you can't be tunneling. It's a subtle distinction.
You don't need reasoning to hunt scum you just pick at people just like I did. Their response was what I would expect from scum and other peoples reactions is just priceless.
You are at my #3 scum spot right now, boy this has been a great game so far.
You don't need reasoning to hunt them, but your vote was vote #3 on 22bebo, and by the time I responded in post #85, he was at L-3. At that point, the wagon was more than halfway there, which I feel is substantial enough of a wagon that the rest of us could ask what your thoughts are, especially since, as I pointed out before, the intitial post read null to me.
1. How can I smear what you said when you said nothing?
2. I'm not all that interested in how I look. I'm interested in catching scum.
3. I would say you're tunneling, but even that requires an actual case of some type.
@Anyone else- did I miss where pf posted an actual reason for voting me?
PF stated just a couple posts above that he is just picking at people to see how scummy their responses are. He's not tunneling, he's hunting, and I do think that you're still being a little weird about it. I agree with pf about the tunneling remark. Also, your statement #2 seems a little forced.
Unfortunately, pf is hunting like a paranoid cop. You ignored my picking at you= scum. You responded to my picking at you= scum. I was seriously starting to doubt my sanity until Nis said something.
As far as the comment about Kill Bill- It was a valid comment. Compared to Kill Bill Mafia, this thread was moving at the speed of glacier. I posted because I was bored and no one was saying anything. Sue me.
Hold the phone. *Now* I know why pf is getting to me. He plays mafia like girls argue.
Step One- Say something flagrant.
Step Two- Get your target to respond.
Step Three- Read way too much into their response.
Step Four- Tell them they are overreacting to your overreaction.
Step Five- Tell them they are being defensive.
Step ???- Drive them to commit suicide.
are you serious?
No matter how I answer that question, you can go AHAH IM RIGHT. if I say NO I don't agree you go SO IM NOT SCUM and if I say I do agree you go SO IM NOT SCUM.
loaded so hard
also unvote, vote: 22bebo I'm down with some more pressure.
If you agree with him, then I have already stated my defense. It's a terribly weak one, as you pointed out, but I'm not going to lie and make up some reason for my actions. I haven't played very many games on MTGS, and the ones I have played in, have had a player come out and say "I hate this stage of the game, let's skip over it," and everyone seemed to do that. I cannot provide anymore of a defense on the matter.
While I played several games in real life, I was typically the Mod for the game as I had the most experience playing. (Note, these were really, REALLY lax games, as in, Vigilantes would shoot someone before anyone spoke since they thought it was funny.)
As to my MTGS record, two games, I believe. It's a bit confusing because I replaced into a game I had been killed in. Weird situation. I cannot remember the Basic number, I believe it was forty-some. I will find it if you would like, and I've been meaning to do that for some time now anyways.
Hold the phone. *Now* I know why pf is getting to me. He plays mafia like girls argue.
Step One- Say something flagrant.
Step Two- Get your target to respond.
Step Three- Read way too much into their response.
Step Four- Tell them they are overreacting to your overreaction.
Step Five- Tell them they are being defensive.
Step ???- Drive them to commit suicide.
Not to offend any women here, but lol . . .
If I've missed any posts that were directed at me, please let me know.
Alright, then my response to what Cythare said applies here. However weak a defense it may be, it is the truth.
If you agree with him, then I have already stated my defense. It's a terribly weak one, as you pointed out, but I'm not going to lie and make up some reason for my actions. I haven't played very many games on MTGS, and the ones I have played in, have had a player come out and say "I hate this stage of the game, let's skip over it," and everyone seemed to do that. I cannot provide anymore of a defense on the matter.
While I played several games in real life, I was typically the Mod for the game as I had the most experience playing. (Note, these were really, REALLY lax games, as in, Vigilantes would shoot someone before anyone spoke since they thought it was funny.)
As to my MTGS record, two games, I believe. It's a bit confusing because I replaced into a game I had been killed in. Weird situation. I cannot remember the Basic number, I believe it was forty-some. I will find it if you would like, and I've been meaning to do that for some time now anyways.
Not to offend any women here, but lol . . .
If I've missed any posts that were directed at me, please let me know.
I like how you didn't mention anything as your defense until Nis came in and started implicitly defending you.
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I will straight up tell you that this is not true.
Go look back when I asked 22 why he ignored pf, iirc that was before KK started scum hunting.
I started scum hunting 1 minute before that post timestamps say. However, I didn't start scum hunting 22bebo until after that post, so the point that you weren't barning me is still right.
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Unfortunately, pf is hunting like a paranoid cop.
Unfortunately? Does that mean you think he's town?
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Unfortunately means I can't make a determination about his alignment based on his actions. If he was genuinely scum hunting, then I would feel comfortable with calling him a townie. Because I'm one of his targets, I *want* to call him scummy for his behavior, but if I'm honest and objective about it, I have to call it what it is, a null tell.
Unfortunately means I can't make a determination about his alignment based on his actions. If he was genuinely scum hunting, then I would feel comfortable with calling him a townie. Because I'm one of his targets, I *want* to call him scummy for his behavior, but if I'm honest and objective about it, I have to call it what it is, a null tell.
So he's not genuinely scum hunting, and you're calling that null?
if someone isn't genuinely scum hunting, they're probably scum, but you think it's null
wtf
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So he's not genuinely scum hunting, and you're calling that null?
if someone isn't genuinely scum hunting, they're probably scum, but you think it's null
wtf
False dichotomy. A townie should be scumhunting certainly but nothing says they have to. Sometimes townies lurk or read without writing much. Not all townies play optimally (which is a shame for the town but a boon for the mafia).
False dichotomy. A townie should be scumhunting certainly but nothing says they have to. Sometimes townies lurk or read without writing much. Not all townies play optimally (which is a shame for the town but a boon for the mafia).
no that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying Dork accused PF of not being genuine in his scum hunting, which implies that he thinks PF is scum, or at least should.
you missed the point
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OMG. genuinely = bad choice of word. What I should have said is "If he was scum hunting in a manner that *didn't* end with the conclusion "you must be scum" no matter what the target does, then I could consider him townie." The reason for this is that whether he was right or wrong, we could gauge interactions with him and make decisions based on that. If he pisses *everyone* off, then we learn nothing.
I like how you didn't mention anything as your defense until Nis came in and started implicitly defending you.
I'm sorry I haven't been on for enough time in the past two days to post? I didn't want to pop on to say three words and disappear because that would be silly and scummy.
And, everything that I responded to (Except the last non-game relevant bit) was before Nis really started going at it. When I answered Cythare, he was two posts into his "case" if it's enough to be called that.
I'm sorry I haven't been on for enough time in the past two days to post? I didn't want to pop on to say three words and disappear because that would be silly and scummy.
And, everything that I responded to (Except the last non-game relevant bit) was before Nis really started going at it. When I answered Cythare, he was two posts into his "case" if it's enough to be called that.
can you show me where yous tarted defending yourself before Nis came in?
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I guess I wasn't aware that you could just end RVS like that. I'm going to try that next game I'm in because I *hate* RVS.
And for the record, you STILL haven't explained WHAT you called me/us out on? From my point of view here is what happened.
Me- random vote for stupid reason
blah blah blah
pf- dork is obv scum Me- mentally double checking role PM
blah blah blah
Me- sarvcastic post about lurkers
pf- obv scum is obv. kill himz.
Me- ???
Granted, its a bit simplistic, but I think it covers all the bases. You're calling me scum based on 2(?) posts, one of which was a random vote. The other in which I admitting ignoring you because a- you were wrong via my role pm and b- you had no case to defend against.
What did you want me to say to your accusation? "Am not scum, you're a doody head!"?
*shrug*
I'll try that next time you call me scum and see if you accept that as a defense, lol.
You don't need reasoning to hunt scum you just pick at people just like I did. Their response was what I would expect from scum and other peoples reactions is just priceless.
You are at my #3 scum spot right now, boy this has been a great game so far.
Man you are on fire PF.
You're also definitely town. You lurk like a boss as scum.
But that said, why did you put me as town in your list?
OMG. genuinely = bad choice of word. What I should have said is "If he was scum hunting in a manner that *didn't* end with the conclusion "you must be scum" no matter what the target does, then I could consider him townie." The reason for this is that whether he was right or wrong, we could gauge interactions with him and make decisions based on that. If he pisses *everyone* off, then we learn nothing.
Feels weird.
Scum: Dork Knight, Cythare, probably 22bebo.
Town: PF, pretty much everyone but DK, Cythare, and probably 22bebo.
can you show me where yous tarted defending yourself before Nis came in?
I meant in my post just before that. The three important points I addressed where all before Nis said anything except for the last one. Which I understand does not clear your argument, but the idea is that none of the information of my attackers was augmented by his ideas.
I hate arguing against these types of things, as there is NO WAY for me to prove that I couldn't post, unless I hadn't been online for that whole time, which wasn't the case. (Spoiler season and all. ^_^) To be exact, that's why I pop in if I feel it's been a while and say useless stuff like my first post.
Because I ignored a post of PF's earlier in the game and it started a whole firestorm of people attacking me. When make a mistake like that you learn not to do it again. Except when the person doesn't even answer you properly they just say something snarky.
PF has made only a single post all game, and he's got a history of lurking as scum.
First post of the game. Mentions that pf lurks as scum. At first I re-read this as coaching your buddy. There is actually research showing that scum more often than not over compensate on day 1 by voting each other and using playful banter. My read on this changed a bit by his last post.
barns Yanni asking why I ignored pf. mentions one of the only players in the game who happens to have fewer posts than he does (both of whom have fewer posts than the mod).
You're also definitely town. You lurk like a boss as scum.4
But that said, why did you put me as town in your list?5
Feels weird.6
Scum: Dork Knight, Cythare, probably 22bebo.
Town: PF, pretty much everyone but DK, Cythare, and probably 22bebo.
Vote: Dork Knight
And last but not least we have this jewel. I'll number the quote and post my comments below.
1- Bebo didn't say RVS has NO tells, he said someone calling him scum during RVS ISN'T a tell. Nice Misrep though.
2- You're not a fan of me remembering my role PM? Should I forget it?
3- Yes, its totally wishy washy to vote someone and then ask to hear more from them before unvoting.
4- Bringing up the pf lurks as scum thing again. This could be a true piece of meta and he's simply using it to give himself credibility, or he could be a scum buddy and trying to build pf's townie cred.
Whether or not pf is scum, I think its safe to say Wheat is.
I meant in my post just before that. The three important points I addressed where all before Nis said anything except for the last one. Which I understand does not clear your argument, but the idea is that none of the information of my attackers was augmented by his ideas.
I hate arguing against these types of things, as there is NO WAY for me to prove that I couldn't post, unless I hadn't been online for that whole time, which wasn't the case. (Spoiler season and all. ^_^) To be exact, that's why I pop in if I feel it's been a while and say useless stuff like my first post.
Because I ignored a post of PF's earlier in the game and it started a whole firestorm of people attacking me. When make a mistake like that you learn not to do it again. Except when the person doesn't even answer you properly they just say something snarky.
I guess I'll continue my one-trickedness by asking how so?
First post of the game. Mentions that pf lurks as scum. At first I re-read this as coaching your buddy. There is actually research showing that scum more often than not over compensate on day 1 by voting each other and using playful banter. My read on this changed a bit by his last post.
barns Yanni asking why I ignored pf. mentions one of the only players in the game who happens to have fewer posts than he does (both of whom have fewer posts than the mod).
V/LA post. Null.
And last but not least we have this jewel. I'll number the quote and post my comments below.
1- Bebo didn't say RVS has NO tells, he said someone calling him scum during RVS ISN'T a tell. Nice Misrep though.
2- You're not a fan of me remembering my role PM? Should I forget it?
3- Yes, its totally wishy washy to vote someone and then ask to hear more from them before unvoting.
4- Bringing up the pf lurks as scum thing again. This could be a true piece of meta and he's simply using it to give himself credibility, or he could be a scum buddy and trying to build pf's townie cred.
Whether or not pf is scum, I think its safe to say Wheat is.
vote Wheat
AND DEFLECT
I'm down for lynching DK or 22 today
right now I prefer DK, but I'm keeping my vteo on 22 until he does what I ask of him.
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or you were like "hey guys, I'm not going to post about the attacks against me and instead post some hard core WIFOM about WG being scum. lawl"
whatever, yolo I guess.
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Actually, my case against him addresses his points(?) against me. I'll summarize them for you:
"Not a fan of that" and "Feels weird".
Aside from the fact that his case against me could also describe anal sex, his case has no merit.
Although, I totally forgot to post my thoughts about 5 and 6 and the fact that you didn't even bother to read/ask me about them is a little incriminating as well.
5- Feels like a throw away question. You're not going to actually attack him for calling you a townie, but gotta keep up appearances.
6- If logic feels weird, I'm afraid of what feels good to you.
@Yanni: This post here. The first two points (Quotes) I addressed were before Nis had said anything, then the third one was only two posts into Nis' attack, before he started going really in depth.
Because I ignored a post of PF's earlier in the game and it started a whole firestorm of people attacking me. When make a mistake like that you learn not to do it again. Except when the person doesn't even answer you properly they just say something snarky.
I asked you why you asked us if something was coaching. This doesn't answer that question.
I guess I'll continue my one-trickedness by asking how so?
Here's a coach there's a coach everywhere a coach coach.
First post of the game. Mentions that pf lurks as scum. At first I re-read this as coaching your buddy. There is actually research showing that scum more often than not over compensate on day 1 by voting each other and using playful banter. My read on this changed a bit by his last post.
I forgot I said this. I'll concede that you have a legitimate point in PF seeing me saying he lurks as scum means he wouldn't lurk no matter the alignment. That I'll take into consideration if the scumteam I have in mind doesn't all flip scum.
barns Yanni asking why I ignored pf. mentions one of the only players in the game who happens to have fewer posts than he does (both of whom have fewer posts than the mod).
I have fewer posts for 2 very good reasons. 1. I'm in two large games in addition to this and they sucked up my time, and 2. I was on unexpected V/LA for half the game. Also I only mentioned sXe because he thought it was still RVS.
And last but not least we have this jewel. I'll number the quote and post my comments below.
1- Bebo didn't say RVS has NO tells, he said someone calling him scum during RVS ISN'T a tell. Nice Misrep though.
2- You're not a fan of me remembering my role PM? Should I forget it?
3- Yes, its totally wishy washy to vote someone and then ask to hear more from them before unvoting.
4- Bringing up the pf lurks as scum thing again. This could be a true piece of meta and he's simply using it to give himself credibility, or he could be a scum buddy and trying to build pf's townie cred.
Whether or not pf is scum, I think its safe to say Wheat is.
vote Wheat
1. I'm not above saying I might have misread it. Give me evidence and we'll talk.
2. Let me try to explain this so that it makes sense on paper like it does in my head. By thinking back to your role PM, you show that you act differently as town and as scum. Scum often try in the early game so as not to draw attention. And by not responding to PF's accusation you seemed to be trying to hide. Therefor you thought back and realized you were scum, so why address it?
3. Wishy-washy to say it's not strong and that it's contingent on "hearing more". What constitutes more is never said.
4. This is PF's meta so far as I can tell. Every game he's scum he lurks, every game he's town he posts, so far as I've seen.
Actually, my case against him addresses his points(?) against me. I'll summarize them for you:
"Not a fan of that" and "Feels weird".
Aside from the fact that his case against me could also describe anal sex, his case has no merit.
No matter what you flip I love you.
Although, I totally forgot to post my thoughts about 5 and 6 and the fact that you didn't even bother to read/ask me about them is a little incriminating as well.
5- Feels like a throw away question. You're not going to actually attack him for calling you a townie, but gotta keep up appearances.
6- If logic feels weird, I'm afraid of what feels good to you.
* Dork Knight bows.
5. I'm not attacking him, I'm asking a question because it doesn't make sense. If I don't like the answer I'll follow up. Standard procedure, the fact you're getting uppity about it shows just how weak this OMGUS case is.
6. Feels weird because you handwaved away bad word choice after being attacked on it.
Sorry bout the lurking. Bad excuses is all I'd come up with. will be making an effort to post more.
So, right now I'm thinking that Dork is town, he brings up good points and the push onto him seemed good at the beginning but is slowly falling apart in my eyes.
I asked you why you asked us if something was coaching. This doesn't answer that question.
I didn't ask if that was coaching. I had asked what coaching was, and asked if that was an EXAMPLE of coaching. I thought it might have been a part of his post explaining what coaching was.
Here's a coach there's a coach everywhere a coach coach.
To be exact, pretty sure I mentioned coaching only once, and it was that instance. I guess twice if you count me asking what it was and trying to get that resolved.
Sorry bout the lurking. Bad excuses is all I'd come up with. will be making an effort to post more.
So, right now I'm thinking that Dork is town, he brings up good points and the push onto him seemed good at the beginning but is slowly falling apart in my eyes.
Who the **** is this guy and why does he think he has an opinion on who is scum when he doesn't even have the time to post?
22 has grown on me recently and Dork is my new #1 and its highly likely he has ties with Marblez
First post of the game. Mentions that pf lurks as scum. At first I re-read this as coaching your buddy. There is actually research showing that scum more often than not over compensate on day 1 by voting each other and using playful banter. My read on this changed a bit by his last post.
barns Yanni asking why I ignored pf. mentions one of the only players in the game who happens to have fewer posts than he does (both of whom have fewer posts than the mod).
Why are you using Wheat's RVS posts against him when you won't accept your RVS posts in the case against you?
Whether or not pf is scum, I think its safe to say Wheat is.
vote Wheat
I'll ask directly: would you have voted Wheat if he hadn't voted you? I'm trying to look at this as more than an OMGUS vote but I can't. And it doesn't gel with this:
Unfortunately means I can't make a determination about his alignment based on his actions. If he was genuinely scum hunting, then I would feel comfortable with calling him a townie. Because I'm one of his targets, I *want* to call him scummy for his behavior, but if I'm honest and objective about it, I have to call it what it is, a null tell.
...because it looks to me like you're not being "honest and objective" now that Wheat's targeting you. Why are/were you more willing to vote for Wheat than pf?
Your scumhunting of Wheat is far from genuine by your own standards, and it would probably still look that way if he hadn't voted you first. I thought you were anti-town town instead of anti-town scum until this post.
Vote Dork Knight
I'm looking at a Dork + Cythare scumteam or a Dork + Marblez scumteam. I have a null read on 22 -- I hate that he hid behind Cythare and then hid behind Nis later, but that's circumstantial.
So, right now I'm thinking that Dork is town, he brings up good points and the push onto him seemed good at the beginning but is slowly falling apart in my eyes.
Name the specific points you think are "good." And help scumhunt if you don't think that Dork is.
Why are you using Wheat's RVS posts against him when you won't accept your RVS posts in the case against you?
Why do you care? This reeks of a Dork + Cythare scumteam.
I'll ask directly: would you have voted Wheat if he hadn't voted you? I'm trying to look at this as more than an OMGUS vote but I can't. And it doesn't gel with this:
...because it looks to me like you're not being "honest and objective" now that Wheat's targeting you. Why are/were you more willing to vote for Wheat than pf?
Your scumhunting of Wheat is far from genuine by your own standards, and it would probably still look that way if he hadn't voted you first. I thought you were anti-town town instead of anti-town scum until this post.
Vote Dork Knight
I'm looking at a Dork + Cythare scumteam or a Dork + Marblez scumteam. I have a null read on 22 -- I hate that he hid behind Cythare and then hid behind Nis later, but that's circumstantial.
Name the specific points you think are "good." And help scumhunt if you don't think that Dork is.
@Yanni: This post here. The first two points (Quotes) I addressed were before Nis had said anything, then the third one was only two posts into Nis' attack, before he started going really in depth.
I meant with timestamps at what time did you start defending yourself BEFORE nis came in.
also @marblez lol what a tool.
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Does that pile still include Wheat? I'm patiently waiting both your explanation for why you pegged Wheat as town for one post that barned you and for your surprise analysis of DK and 22bebo.
So, right now I'm thinking that Dork is town, he brings up good points and the push onto him seemed good at the beginning but is slowly falling apart in my eyes.
pinkfloyd is right about you, though. Your post says absolutely nothing. It puts you on the fence so if another push towards DK begins you can claim you thought the previous push was valid. If there is no push you can claim the original push was invalid in the first place.
Yeah, in retrospect, not the best way to say that I wasn't sold yet, since Dork Knight hadn't posted enough for me to be sure (but had posted enough for me to be fine with leaving my vote on him, since there wasn't a wagon otherwise). I was just trying to say that my feeling about him being scum wasn't as strong as others' might have been on other people, but it was wishy-washy. After reading back through his responses, especially where he came to defend me despite my vote being on him, and the gem:
Sorry bout the lurking. Bad excuses is all I'd come up with. will be making an effort to post more.
So, right now I'm thinking that Dork is town, he brings up good points and the push onto him seemed good at the beginning but is slowly falling apart in my eyes.
Others have pointed this out, but this also seems weird to me. You haven't contributed to the game until now except during RVS, but show up and immediately say that you think Dork Knight is town without providing any additional content. I'm with TMCT about the DK + Marblez scumteam possibility.
I'm using wheat's RVS posts because they tie back in to what he says later. If he had just voted someone and not said anything else, that post would have been included for completeness, but my comment would have been "RVS vote- null".
If wheat had posted his barn of pf and not voted me, I'd be wishing for something stronger than a vote, because that's an iron clad scumtell if I ever saw one.
I'm more willing to vote wheat than pf because pf could be a misguided townie. wheat has actually done things that I find scummy.
I meant with timestamps at what time did you start defending yourself BEFORE nis came in.
also @marblez lol what a tool.
Well, since I've been defending myself for the entirety of the game except my first two posts, that's a little hard to do. If you mean the parts that I've been referring to in my most recent posts, I didn't post before Nis came in. I meant that the posts I was quoting were before he came in. I can timestamp those, if you'd like, even though they were by other people.
I feel terribly detached from this game, really sorry. I'll focus my efforts here tomorrow, read through, maybe compile a pbpa and actually do stuff. I promise!
For today though, unvote because I'm not entirely sure 22 is scum.
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Well, since I've been defending myself for the entirety of the game except my first two posts, that's a little hard to do. If you mean the parts that I've been referring to in my most recent posts, I didn't post before Nis came in. I meant that the posts I was quoting were before he came in. I can timestamp those, if you'd like, even though they were by other people.
which is my point, you really didn't start defending yourself in a meaningful way until Nis came in
anywho, I'm fine with your answers, Dork Knight's on the other hand
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which is my point, you really didn't start defending yourself in a meaningful way until Nis came in
anywho, I'm fine with your answers, Dork Knight's on the other hand
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No, I understand. And I agree, the fact that Nis came in and defended me right when I couldn't post wasn't something anyone could help. If you hold that against me, it's fine, but I cannot provide any real evidence that what I said was actually the case.
I didn't ask if that was coaching. I had asked what coaching was, and asked if that was an EXAMPLE of coaching. I thought it might have been a part of his post explaining what coaching was.
The phrasing didn't indicate that to me.
To be exact, pretty sure I mentioned coaching only once, and it was that instance. I guess twice if you count me asking what it was and trying to get that resolved.
I'm using wheat's RVS posts because they tie back in to what he says later. If he had just voted someone and not said anything else, that post would have been included for completeness, but my comment would have been "RVS vote- null".
I'm more willing to vote wheat than pf because pf could be a misguided townie. wheat has actually done things that I find scummy.
Was gonna start a PBPA but I want to see Dorks claim first. I allready find it dubious that he feels he has to ask the mod, looks like he's buying time. But, beeing pretty new here, benefit of the doubt and so on.
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I'm Tony Starch, Town Watcher. I can watch one player per night and I know who targeted them and who they targeted. I am not told what ability they used or what was used on them. There wasn't a whole lot of info in my PM and the first post specifically states not to paraphrase too closely, so I had to ask about my wording. As far as flavor goes, there really wasn't any in my PM. I have no idea how a potato that looks like Iron Man is a watcher, but there you have it.
I find that dubious because it looks like a watcher/tracker combination. A watcher can see who targeted a person at night. A tracker can see who a person targeted at night. Doing both would definitely not make you just a watcher unless that's common around here.
I find that dubious because it looks like a watcher/tracker combination. A watcher can see who targeted a person at night. A tracker can see who a person targeted at night. Doing both would definitely not make you just a watcher unless that's common around here.
Seems rather gutsy to be a false claim. And so easy to counterclaim. This is a basic after all.
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Lets analyze the first 2 quotes that I brought up:
This screams of forced ignorance and a lack of time to make an impact. It feels like worried scum just posting in rvs to check in and fly under the radar.
The use of another game to make it look like he is making a good point when its completely irrelevant. Again its all about doing something without actually doing something.
Reactions:
The only person to bring it to light and actually continue discussion for the town. Light town read.
Town read, trying to continue discussion somewhere that will help the town.
Ovverreaction and quite a cold worried reply. If it was me I would have been like "lol okay" and not ever care about ONE PERSONS opinion 3 pages in.
"Tell"
Why dropping buzzwords? I never posted anything about it being a tell I just blatantly said they were scum. Also the unvote to look normal, get caught in the crowd.
The other reactions I want to save for later, as a surprise.
1. Smear.
2. You should as being town is being part of a team and if the rest of your team thinks you are with them it helps more than scumhunting.
3. How can it be tunneling when I'm on 2 different people? Was that a slip and you are implying that you and 22 are on the same alignment?
LOL
>"Tunneling"
Very lame half hearted deflect.
LOL
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Wait. So the person who barns the person who barns you has a higher town read for you? Besides that one post Wheat has said he'll be on V/LA. How do you get town read from one post when it's just parroting you?
So, you're agreeing with Yanni and KK that Dork Knight and 22bebo are scum because they both ignored your post calling them scum and now you're saying that DK's reaction was scummy because he didn't just continue to ignore your post calling them scum? At least give them rules that are consistent.
Why wait? If you want to make a case against one of these two for today's lynch then put forth your evidence. Teasing some sort of "surprise" doesn't make me tremble in anticipation; it makes me view you as lacking an actual case.
He wasn't saying you were tunneling. He was saying he would think you were tunneling but since you don't have an actual case you can't be tunneling. It's a subtle distinction.
Basically you're throwing mud made without dirt.
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You don't need reasoning to hunt them, but your vote was vote #3 on 22bebo, and by the time I responded in post #85, he was at L-3. At that point, the wagon was more than halfway there, which I feel is substantial enough of a wagon that the rest of us could ask what your thoughts are, especially since, as I pointed out before, the intitial post read null to me.
PF stated just a couple posts above that he is just picking at people to see how scummy their responses are. He's not tunneling, he's hunting, and I do think that you're still being a little weird about it. I agree with pf about the tunneling remark. Also, your statement #2 seems a little forced.
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As far as the comment about Kill Bill- It was a valid comment. Compared to Kill Bill Mafia, this thread was moving at the speed of glacier. I posted because I was bored and no one was saying anything. Sue me.
Hold the phone. *Now* I know why pf is getting to me. He plays mafia like girls argue.
Step One- Say something flagrant.
Step Two- Get your target to respond.
Step Three- Read way too much into their response.
Step Four- Tell them they are overreacting to your overreaction.
Step Five- Tell them they are being defensive.
Step ???- Drive them to commit suicide.
Alright, then my response to what Cythare said applies here. However weak a defense it may be, it is the truth.
If you agree with him, then I have already stated my defense. It's a terribly weak one, as you pointed out, but I'm not going to lie and make up some reason for my actions. I haven't played very many games on MTGS, and the ones I have played in, have had a player come out and say "I hate this stage of the game, let's skip over it," and everyone seemed to do that. I cannot provide anymore of a defense on the matter.
While I played several games in real life, I was typically the Mod for the game as I had the most experience playing. (Note, these were really, REALLY lax games, as in, Vigilantes would shoot someone before anyone spoke since they thought it was funny.)
As to my MTGS record, two games, I believe. It's a bit confusing because I replaced into a game I had been killed in. Weird situation. I cannot remember the Basic number, I believe it was forty-some. I will find it if you would like, and I've been meaning to do that for some time now anyways.
Not to offend any women here, but lol . . .
If I've missed any posts that were directed at me, please let me know.
I like how you didn't mention anything as your defense until Nis came in and started implicitly defending you.
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I will straight up tell you that this is not true.
Go look back when I asked 22 why he ignored pf, iirc that was before KK started scum hunting.
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So he's not genuinely scum hunting, and you're calling that null?
if someone isn't genuinely scum hunting, they're probably scum, but you think it's null
wtf
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False dichotomy. A townie should be scumhunting certainly but nothing says they have to. Sometimes townies lurk or read without writing much. Not all townies play optimally (which is a shame for the town but a boon for the mafia).
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no that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying Dork accused PF of not being genuine in his scum hunting, which implies that he thinks PF is scum, or at least should.
you missed the point
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I'm sorry I haven't been on for enough time in the past two days to post? I didn't want to pop on to say three words and disappear because that would be silly and scummy.
And, everything that I responded to (Except the last non-game relevant bit) was before Nis really started going at it. When I answered Cythare, he was two posts into his "case" if it's enough to be called that.
can you show me where yous tarted defending yourself before Nis came in?
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RVS has tells otherwise it would never end.
Why are you asking us?
And why are you being a one-trick pony?
Not a fan of that.
Wishy-washy, I'm willing to bet your scum.
Man you are on fire PF.
You're also definitely town. You lurk like a boss as scum.
But that said, why did you put me as town in your list?
Feels weird.
Scum: Dork Knight, Cythare, probably 22bebo.
Town: PF, pretty much everyone but DK, Cythare, and probably 22bebo.
Vote: Dork Knight
oh wait.
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I meant in my post just before that. The three important points I addressed where all before Nis said anything except for the last one. Which I understand does not clear your argument, but the idea is that none of the information of my attackers was augmented by his ideas.
I hate arguing against these types of things, as there is NO WAY for me to prove that I couldn't post, unless I hadn't been online for that whole time, which wasn't the case. (Spoiler season and all. ^_^) To be exact, that's why I pop in if I feel it's been a while and say useless stuff like my first post.
Because I ignored a post of PF's earlier in the game and it started a whole firestorm of people attacking me. When make a mistake like that you learn not to do it again. Except when the person doesn't even answer you properly they just say something snarky.
I guess I'll continue my one-trickedness by asking how so?
First post of the game. Mentions that pf lurks as scum. At first I re-read this as coaching your buddy. There is actually research showing that scum more often than not over compensate on day 1 by voting each other and using playful banter. My read on this changed a bit by his last post.
barns Yanni asking why I ignored pf. mentions one of the only players in the game who happens to have fewer posts than he does (both of whom have fewer posts than the mod).
V/LA post. Null.
And last but not least we have this jewel. I'll number the quote and post my comments below.
1- Bebo didn't say RVS has NO tells, he said someone calling him scum during RVS ISN'T a tell. Nice Misrep though.
2- You're not a fan of me remembering my role PM? Should I forget it?
3- Yes, its totally wishy washy to vote someone and then ask to hear more from them before unvoting.
4- Bringing up the pf lurks as scum thing again. This could be a true piece of meta and he's simply using it to give himself credibility, or he could be a scum buddy and trying to build pf's townie cred.
Whether or not pf is scum, I think its safe to say Wheat is.
vote Wheat
@Mod- Can we get prods for sXe and Marblez?
I think having less than 1% of the total current posts is pushing it on the lurking.
can you link them pelase?
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I'm down for lynching DK or 22 today
right now I prefer DK, but I'm keeping my vteo on 22 until he does what I ask of him.
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whatever, yolo I guess.
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"Not a fan of that" and "Feels weird".
Aside from the fact that his case against me could also describe anal sex, his case has no merit.
Although, I totally forgot to post my thoughts about 5 and 6 and the fact that you didn't even bother to read/ask me about them is a little incriminating as well.
5- Feels like a throw away question. You're not going to actually attack him for calling you a townie, but gotta keep up appearances.
6- If logic feels weird, I'm afraid of what feels good to you.
* Dork Knight bows.
OMGUS.
/barn
I asked you why you asked us if something was coaching. This doesn't answer that question.
Here's a coach there's a coach everywhere a coach coach.
Let the OMGUS reign.
I forgot I said this. I'll concede that you have a legitimate point in PF seeing me saying he lurks as scum means he wouldn't lurk no matter the alignment. That I'll take into consideration if the scumteam I have in mind doesn't all flip scum.
I have fewer posts for 2 very good reasons. 1. I'm in two large games in addition to this and they sucked up my time, and 2. I was on unexpected V/LA for half the game. Also I only mentioned sXe because he thought it was still RVS.
1. I'm not above saying I might have misread it. Give me evidence and we'll talk.
2. Let me try to explain this so that it makes sense on paper like it does in my head. By thinking back to your role PM, you show that you act differently as town and as scum. Scum often try in the early game so as not to draw attention. And by not responding to PF's accusation you seemed to be trying to hide. Therefor you thought back and realized you were scum, so why address it?
3. Wishy-washy to say it's not strong and that it's contingent on "hearing more". What constitutes more is never said.
4. This is PF's meta so far as I can tell. Every game he's scum he lurks, every game he's town he posts, so far as I've seen.
No matter what you flip I love you.
5. I'm not attacking him, I'm asking a question because it doesn't make sense. If I don't like the answer I'll follow up. Standard procedure, the fact you're getting uppity about it shows just how weak this OMGUS case is.
6. Feels weird because you handwaved away bad word choice after being attacked on it.
Also you are way too proud of this case.
So, right now I'm thinking that Dork is town, he brings up good points and the push onto him seemed good at the beginning but is slowly falling apart in my eyes.
I didn't ask if that was coaching. I had asked what coaching was, and asked if that was an EXAMPLE of coaching. I thought it might have been a part of his post explaining what coaching was.
To be exact, pretty sure I mentioned coaching only once, and it was that instance. I guess twice if you count me asking what it was and trying to get that resolved.
Who the **** is this guy and why does he think he has an opinion on who is scum when he doesn't even have the time to post?
22 has grown on me recently and Dork is my new #1 and its highly likely he has ties with Marblez
unvote, vote dork knight
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Why are you using Wheat's RVS posts against him when you won't accept your RVS posts in the case against you?
Why do you care? This reeks of a Dork + Cythare scumteam.
I'll ask directly: would you have voted Wheat if he hadn't voted you? I'm trying to look at this as more than an OMGUS vote but I can't. And it doesn't gel with this:
...because it looks to me like you're not being "honest and objective" now that Wheat's targeting you. Why are/were you more willing to vote for Wheat than pf?
Your scumhunting of Wheat is far from genuine by your own standards, and it would probably still look that way if he hadn't voted you first. I thought you were anti-town town instead of anti-town scum until this post.
Vote Dork Knight
I'm looking at a Dork + Cythare scumteam or a Dork + Marblez scumteam. I have a null read on 22 -- I hate that he hid behind Cythare and then hid behind Nis later, but that's circumstantial.
Name the specific points you think are "good." And help scumhunt if you don't think that Dork is.
Added to the town pile
LOL
I meant with timestamps at what time did you start defending yourself BEFORE nis came in.
also @marblez lol what a tool.
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Does that pile still include Wheat? I'm patiently waiting both your explanation for why you pegged Wheat as town for one post that barned you and for your surprise analysis of DK and 22bebo.
pinkfloyd is right about you, though. Your post says absolutely nothing. It puts you on the fence so if another push towards DK begins you can claim you thought the previous push was valid. If there is no push you can claim the original push was invalid in the first place.
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Yeah, in retrospect, not the best way to say that I wasn't sold yet, since Dork Knight hadn't posted enough for me to be sure (but had posted enough for me to be fine with leaving my vote on him, since there wasn't a wagon otherwise). I was just trying to say that my feeling about him being scum wasn't as strong as others' might have been on other people, but it was wishy-washy. After reading back through his responses, especially where he came to defend me despite my vote being on him, and the gem:
I'm happy with a Dork Knight lynch.
Others have pointed this out, but this also seems weird to me. You haven't contributed to the game until now except during RVS, but show up and immediately say that you think Dork Knight is town without providing any additional content. I'm with TMCT about the DK + Marblez scumteam possibility.
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If wheat had posted his barn of pf and not voted me, I'd be wishing for something stronger than a vote, because that's an iron clad scumtell if I ever saw one.
I'm more willing to vote wheat than pf because pf could be a misguided townie. wheat has actually done things that I find scummy.
Well, since I've been defending myself for the entirety of the game except my first two posts, that's a little hard to do. If you mean the parts that I've been referring to in my most recent posts, I didn't post before Nis came in. I meant that the posts I was quoting were before he came in. I can timestamp those, if you'd like, even though they were by other people.
For today though, unvote because I'm not entirely sure 22 is scum.
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which is my point, you really didn't start defending yourself in a meaningful way until Nis came in
anywho, I'm fine with your answers, Dork Knight's on the other hand
unvote, vote: Sir Dork Knight Mu
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No, I understand. And I agree, the fact that Nis came in and defended me right when I couldn't post wasn't something anyone could help. If you hold that against me, it's fine, but I cannot provide any real evidence that what I said was actually the case.
The phrasing didn't indicate that to me.
I did count that yes.
Noob town often barn bad cases. I'm not so certain on Marblez yet.
These two statements don't mesh.
Also Most Curious Thing is town.
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