I said you seemed to be trying to slide under the radar, showing that you're there without participating in RVS so you won't get on anyone's bad side. How is that in any way similar to trying to Kill RVS?
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PF's first point about you was worth taking a look at as possibly portraying a scum mindset. Your reactions have been horrible and this last misrep is the worst.
Where did you say that? You said you inferred the same thing as PinkFloyd, who never said what he inferred. He just called me and Dork Knight scum and said it would be easy. You got on Audinho for it, then he said "I thought it would be a good joke" and you let up. What makes his thing a joke and perfectly fine in RVS but mine not? Because I didn't vote for someone without reading anything in the thread or because I didn't respond to a vote that had no explanation, and included what seemed to be the joking words "Oh boy this will be easy?"
Where did you say that? You said you inferred the same thing as PinkFloyd, who never said what he inferred. He just called me and Dork Knight scum and said it would be easy. You got on Audinho for it, then he said "I thought it would be a good joke" and you let up. What makes his thing a joke and perfectly fine in RVS but mine not? Because I didn't vote for someone without reading anything in the thread or because I didn't respond to a vote that had no explanation, and included what seemed to be the joking words "Oh boy this will be easy?"
No. I said I inferred it from his post. In this case, meaning I saw these things in your post, then pf called you scum. I guessed he was doing it for the same reasons I saw in your post. Like I said, I invite him to correct me if my guess was wrong.
I left Audinho alone for it because it is not a very reliable scum-tell on its own and his reaction to my question seemed honest. Your reactions are cagey and you keep misrepresenting what I'm saying.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
That's too nervous and too shifty for my liking. Do you think "clearing" KK as town makes you look like a good townie yourself? I see no reason how that clears KK in the least.
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It's a typical DK post. I hate to read them, but that's how a lot of them are -- it's null to me. 22's responses also look more or less null.
This is the post I hate:
That's too nervous and too shifty for my liking. Do you think "clearing" KK as town makes you look like a good townie yourself? I see no reason how that clears KK in the least.
You then vote for 22 on a language tell.
Vote Audinho
why are you weak meta defending dk?
vote on audinho is valid points.
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No. I said I inferred it from his post. In this case, meaning I saw these things in your post, then pf called you scum. I guessed he was doing it for the same reasons I saw in your post. Like I said, I invite him to correct me if my guess was wrong.
I left Audinho alone for it because it is not a very reliable scum-tell on its own and his reaction to my question seemed honest. Your reactions are cagey and you keep misrepresenting what I'm saying.
Alright, I can't provide any defense against those points because there's no concrete evidence for them. Can you tell me how you think I was trying to end RVS in most post? I honestly don't see any way it could be interpreted that way, but I'm obviously wrong.
Also, if PinkFloyd is scum (Not saying he is, just saying IF he is) then couldn't he just be like "Yep, that's totally what I meant," to your "Correct me if I'm wrong," stuff. Isn't that coaching? Or am I very confused on what coaching is?
Alright, I can't provide any defense against those points because there's no concrete evidence for them. Can you tell me how you think I was trying to end RVS in most post? I honestly don't see any way it could be interpreted that way, but I'm obviously wrong.
Once again: I never said it looked like you wanted to end RVS. I said it looked like you were trying to ignore it.
Aside from that, this post is much more townie than your last few. hmm.
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Also, if PinkFloyd is scum (Not saying he is, just saying IF he is) then couldn't he just be like "Yep, that's totally what I meant," to your "Correct me if I'm wrong," stuff. Isn't that coaching? Or am I very confused on what coaching is?
He could. I see he could actually benefit from my assumption that his opinions were the same as mine if he is. Not a very big benefit, but a benefit. Sloppy play on my part.
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That's too nervous and too shifty for my liking. Do you think "clearing" KK as town makes you look like a good townie yourself? I see no reason how that clears KK in the least.
You then vote for 22 on a language tell.
Vote Audinho
You haven't read many of Audinho's games have you?
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
That's too nervous and too shifty for my liking. Do you think "clearing" KK as town makes you look like a good townie yourself? I see no reason how that clears KK in the least.
You then vote for 22 on a language tell.
Vote Audinho
Nervous and shifty is my MO, bro. I seldom am, but apparently looks that way when I'm expressing myself in writing. I don't really care much about "looking townie", I'm trying to play the game and KK seems to be town so why not mention it? (I'm clearing him since he looks to be scumhunting and getting the game going, which is townie of him. YMMV)
What's wrong with voting on a language tell? I'd say it got this party started, so to speak.
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It looked like you were trying to ignore it because you made a post that served little purpose than to announce your presence. You knew it was RVS, and didn't make a vote or provide any other thoughts, which made it stand out. It's pretty null me, but I thought it was a little weird too.
That's too nervous and too shifty for my liking. Do you think "clearing" KK as town makes you look like a good townie yourself? I see no reason how that clears KK in the least.
You then vote for 22 on a language tell.
Vote Audinho
I agree that his posting seems shifty. My only exposure to Audinho's meta was during Kill Bill, which was a pretty unusual game. I would be inclined to agree with this line of thought for the time being, as I feel it's a line of thought that seems worse than 22's.
I took his post as RVS. It would be the same if you ignored his first post voting you, except that one was obviously RVS.
Why do you prefer Dork Knight?
Alright, I can't provide any defense against those points because there's no concrete evidence for them. Can you tell me how you think I was trying to end RVS in most post? I honestly don't see any way it could be interpreted that way, but I'm obviously wrong.
Also, if PinkFloyd is scum (Not saying he is, just saying IF he is) then couldn't he just be like "Yep, that's totally what I meant," to your "Correct me if I'm wrong," stuff. Isn't that coaching? Or am I very confused on what coaching is?
except I didn't and he didn't?
becaus eunlike you, Dorkknight is just sitting their twiddling his thumbs
Also, if PinkFloyd is scum (Not saying he is, just saying IF he is) then couldn't he just be like "Yep, that's totally what I meant," to your "Correct me if I'm wrong," stuff. Isn't that coaching? Or am I very confused on what coaching is?
lol implying I would be coached. I don't need to be coached I've played enough games
It looked like you were trying to ignore it because you made a post that served little purpose than to announce your presence. You knew it was RVS, and didn't make a vote or provide any other thoughts, which made it stand out. It's pretty null me, but I thought it was a little weird too.
Thank you, is this how everyone else feels about it? I didn't know that it was the precedent to actually immediately vote without looking in RVS. I prefer to read what everyone else has said and make a silly vote based off that, which is what my second post was intended to be.
It was an example. I'm sure you have in one of your mafia games during RVS not responded to someone's post about you, because you thought it had no merit on what was actually going on. I didn't know his post was actually calling me out for anything serious.
lol implying I would be coached. I don't need to be coached I've played enough games
vote 22bebo
No, I figured that. I thought coaching was the idea that one scum team member tells another something through the way they word their posts. Is that not right?
It was an example. I'm sure you have in one of your mafia games during RVS not responded to someone's post about you, because you thought it had no merit on what was actually going on. I didn't know his post was actually calling me out for anything serious.
*Sigh* Yes, but how did it read that way?
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Yawn, nice strawman
Are you seriously asking me to explain the subtext of a post?
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Because that post itself is null. I don't have a read either way from that one post.
What is bothering me is that DK hasn't done a single thing since while 22 has taken all of the heat. I'll be revising my opinion on DK after his next post.
As far as 22 goes, I don't care for these two posts:
Thank you, is this how everyone else feels about it? I didn't know that it was the precedent to actually immediately vote without looking in RVS. I prefer to read what everyone else has said and make a silly vote based off that, which is what my second post was intended to be.
Nervous and shifty is my MO, bro. I seldom am, but apparently looks that way when I'm expressing myself in writing. I don't really care much about "looking townie", I'm trying to play the game and KK seems to be town so why not mention it? (I'm clearing him since he looks to be scumhunting and getting the game going, which is townie of him. YMMV)
What's wrong with voting on a language tell? I'd say it got this party started, so to speak.
Okay, I'll look into your other games.
But "KK seems to be town" =/= "you're town" -- and if your read of KK was genuine, what value would it have added to the game? Also, pf and KK were already on 22 at the time of your vote.
Because that post itself is null. I don't have a read either way from that one post.
What is bothering me is that DK hasn't done a single thing since while 22 has taken all of the heat. I'll be revising my opinion on DK after his next post.
As far as 22 goes, I don't care for these two posts:
Thank you, is this how everyone else feels about it? I didn't know that it was the precedent to actually immediately vote without looking in RVS. I prefer to read what everyone else has said and make a silly vote based off that, which is what my second post was intended to be.
Do you or do you not agree with what Cythare said?
The second of which looks like an attempt to push his defense onto another player. But my vote stays on Audinho for now.
I was not intending for that. I find that his explanation of how he felt about my actions was in depth, and I think is what everyone else saw in my post. I am only trying to confirm the latter.
It looked like you were trying to ignore it because you made a post that served little purpose than to announce your presence. You knew it was RVS, and didn't make a vote or provide any other thoughts, which made it stand out.
Yes, this. I thought I said so earlier, but after rereading I guess I didn't.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
But "KK seems to be town" =/= "you're town" -- and if your read of KK was genuine, what value would it have added to the game? Also, pf and KK were already on 22 at the time of your vote.
Your two RVS non-votes still bother me, too.
You're right, it didn't add much to the game, but in other circumstances it could have. It added something for me, like ingame notekeeping. Also I felt like Seppel for a second, which was awesome.
I knew those non-votes would trouble someone, but it was worth it. Good joke.
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I was not intending for that. I find that his explanation of how he felt about my actions was in depth, and I think is what everyone else saw in my post. I am only trying to confirm the latter.
are you serious?
No matter how I answer that question, you can go AHAH IM RIGHT. if I say NO I don't agree you go SO IM NOT SCUM and if I say I do agree you go SO IM NOT SCUM.
loaded so hard
also unvote, vote: 22bebo I'm down with some more pressure.
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I've got to say I'm seeing some people harp on the V in RVS and not much on the R.
It's been my experience that trying to analyze behavior in RVS results in absolutely nothing.
Yanni is definitely barning KK's attempts at scumhunting meaningless behavior in RVS. That's just sloppy on both of their parts.
I'm not sure "sloppy" is the right word for it. His posts don't scream scum, but they were unusual, so they stood out. It's still pretty early in the game, so while I don't necessarily agree with Kool's/yanni's assessment of 22bebo, I commend them for applying pressure to get more information from him.
I was hoping to be able to continue analysis of Dork Knight, or that he would provide some further thought, since his last post just didn't sit right with, but there's little content there, and hasn't posted since Saturday morning. My vote will stay where it is until DK provides some better posts.
That really concerns me. We're less than a hundred posts into this game and a player is already amassing a not insignificant wagon. I'm not even sure why there is a wagon since, like I already said, behavioral analysis of RVS posts is asinine.
Yanni is definitely barning KK and pinkfloyd. First he follows KK's jump on 22 and now he's up for pinkfloyd's idea of applying pressure to 22. It just doesn't sit right to me that he's following those two on some baseless crusade against 22.
Back from the weekend. I'm still not sure exactly why people are voting me. Because I ignored pf during RVS? How does that make me scum? I too, don't like the speed of bebo's wagon. It reeks of scum trying to get day one in the can. I'm going to go back and re-read a bit later today and see if anything sticks out as suspicious to me. In the meantime, if someone wants to try and post a case against me, I'll be happy to respond to it.
Back from the weekend. I'm still not sure exactly why people are voting me. Because I ignored pf during RVS? How does that make me scum? I too, don't like the speed of bebo's wagon. It reeks of scum trying to get day one in the can. I'm going to go back and re-read a bit later today and see if anything sticks out as suspicious to me. In the meantime, if someone wants to try and post a case against me, I'll be happy to respond to it.
unvote because RVS is over.
The last post where all you said was that you ignored pf sat wrong with me because it just said he was wrong without providing any additional information. I agree that there wasn't much to respond to, and in retrospect, responding directly probably would have seemed like backpedaling.
I was a little unclear in my previous post about 22bebo's wagon. I'm not comfortable with the speed of the wagon, but I don't have a problem with the questions that KK and others were asking. The post where pf voted for 22 does seem off to me, though, since it seems like he's voting because he's insulted (maybe not the right word):
Read the game and you will see I stopped rvs and called out 22 and dork.
I voted in my next post because the response sealed the deal.
I see that you called them out extremely early with little to no reasoning, because it was "obvious". When 22bebo asked for clarification (and I would love clarification as to your reasoning as well, since this wagon is building really fast), he only received a dismissive/insulted looking response and a vote. Admittedly, I did miss your post where you explicitly said you were serious.
I guess I wasn't aware that you could just end RVS like that. I'm going to try that next game I'm in because I *hate* RVS.
And for the record, you STILL haven't explained WHAT you called me/us out on? From my point of view here is what happened.
Me- random vote for stupid reason
blah blah blah
pf- dork is obv scum
Me- mentally double checking role PM
blah blah blah
Me- sarvcastic post about lurkers
pf- obv scum is obv. kill himz.
Me- ???
Granted, its a bit simplistic, but I think it covers all the bases. You're calling me scum based on 2(?) posts, one of which was a random vote. The other in which I admitting ignoring you because a- you were wrong via my role pm and b- you had no case to defend against.
What did you want me to say to your accusation? "Am not scum, you're a doody head!"?
*shrug*
I'll try that next time you call me scum and see if you accept that as a defense, lol.
I'm not sure you're understanding me. He called out your post as scummy because of an apparent desire to ignore rvs.
Here you tell 22bebo that Yanni is calling him scum (which Yanni didn't actually do at that point) because he totally avoided pinkfloyd's RVS post calling 22bebo scum. This is conjecture and not a step above saying that 22bebo is scum because you had a dream that he is. You and pinkfloyd are pushing something that doesn't even exist at this point.
I said you seemed to be trying to slide under the radar, showing that you're there without participating in RVS so you won't get on anyone's bad side. How is that in any way similar to trying to Kill RVS?
Vote 22bebo
PF's first point about you was worth taking a look at as possibly portraying a scum mindset. Your reactions have been horrible and this last misrep is the worst.
Again, behavior analysis during RVS is absurd. There is absolutely nothing to analyze. You've got votes and posts being thrown around as jokes and you've tried to paint 22bebo and Aurdihno as scum for joking around. You are emphasizing the vote in RVS without looking at the random.
22bebo even makes a good point right after this: How do you know that was what pinkfloyd was implying? He confirmed absolutely nothing about your theory at this point and you're twisting it to fit your needs. At this point the case against 22bebo is thin; I can see what you are saying by the time you're voting, but it's still not even circumstantial.
22bebo even comes back with a good post that tears a hole in your argument. If 22bebo thought it was RVS what good does it do to respond? Your response? 22bebo was ignoring the RVS. Guess what? I would have too had I not been gone. RVS is, once again, random. There is no use trying to analyze behavior during RVS.
Now let's address 22bebo's "loaded question." Cythare actually puts up a valid interpretation of 22bebo's RVS actions. He correctly states it's a null tell. Most importantly, it's something concrete that can be responded to. It's something 22bebo would have been able to address way back then if pinkfloyd had actually said something like it instead of allowing you to lead a crusade based on inference. Do note that you latch on to this life raft that Cythare has provided (this isn't to say Cythare meant to provide you with a life raft, just that you saw an opportunity). The game is less than 100 posts and you can't even remember if you pointed out your inference of pinkfloyd's post before attacking 22bebo?
You're right, it didn't add much to the game, but in other circumstances it could have. It added something for me, like ingame notekeeping. Also I felt like Seppel for a second, which was awesome.
I knew those non-votes would trouble someone, but it was worth it. Good joke.
Okay. I'm not going to tunnel you on your early posts alone, when you haven't been particularly scummy since and are looking more and more like a dejected townie.
Could you elaborate on what strikes you as odd about the pressure applied? From my point of view the pressure was nonsensical.
Assuming you mean his reaction to the pressure and are not asking me what was odd about myself: I was originally thinking he was being obtuse by asking all of these questions, but when I reread it to get quotes I find that I'm wasn't explaining myself nearly as well as I thought I was at the time, and his confusion makes sense to me with a fresh perspective. I think I let my irritation at constantly having to explain myself cloud my judgement.
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Here you tell 22bebo that Yanni is calling him scum (which Yanni didn't actually do at that point)
Actually, I meant pf was calling him scum because... not yanni. I need to remember not to use pronouns.
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Again, behavior analysis during RVS is absurd. There is absolutely nothing to analyze.
I did not vote him because of his post during RVS as I have already said. Do you really think it's absurd to look for behavior tells in RVS when there has been no content aside from RVS?
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You've got votes and posts being thrown around as jokes and you've tried to paint 22bebo and Aurdihno as scum for joking around. You are emphasizing the vote in RVS without looking at the random.
Wrong. I've not tried to paint them as anything. I've asked about their motivations behind something that is sometimes a scum tell. I immediately left Audinho alone after his response because I was reminded of his town game. With bebo22 I got over excited by his confused responses because I didn't realize what a bad job I was doing explaining myself.
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22bebo even makes a good point right after this: How do you know that was what pinkfloyd was implying? He confirmed absolutely nothing about your theory at this point and you're twisting it to fit your needs.
Actually, I just made the mistake of assuming someone who expressed an opinion similar to my own came to the conclusion the in the exact same way I did. I'm having trouble seeing what I would stand to gain from twisting his scum accusation.
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22bebo even comes back with a good post that tears a hole in your argument. If 22bebo thought it was RVS what good does it do to respond? Your response? 22bebo was ignoring the RVS. Guess what? I would have too had I not been gone. RVS is, once again, random. There is no use trying to analyze behavior during RVS.
There certainly can be a use to analyzing RVS behavior. I don't hold any illusions that it is as reliable as behavior in the game proper though.
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Now let's address 22bebo's "loaded question." Cythare actually puts up a valid interpretation of 22bebo's RVS actions. He correctly states it's a null tell. Most importantly, it's something concrete that can be responded to. It's something 22bebo would have been able to address way back then if pinkfloyd had actually said something like it instead of allowing you to lead a crusade based on inference. Do note that you latch on to this life raft that Cythare has provided (this isn't to say Cythare meant to provide you with a life raft, just that you saw an opportunity).
I don't really have a defense for this as it was my own fault I didn't explain my views clearly enough. I did not "latch on to a life raft" however, as I did not realize, at the time, that I was playing so badly.
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The game is less than 100 posts and you can't even remember if you pointed out your inference of pinkfloyd's post before attacking 22bebo?
No, I thought I had already explained it. There's a difference.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
I said you seemed to be trying to slide under the radar, showing that you're there without participating in RVS so you won't get on anyone's bad side. How is that in any way similar to trying to Kill RVS?
Vote 22bebo
PF's first point about you was worth taking a look at as possibly portraying a scum mindset. Your reactions have been horrible and this last misrep is the worst.
Your vote is after a sentence directly referencing the post in RVS. You do mention that you do not like his reactions. I'm attaching the vote to the former and assuming the latter is reinforcing.
Do you really think it's absurd to look for behavior tells in RVS when there has been no content aside from RVS?
Yes. Everyone is playing around during RVS. Eventually somebody says something to switch the game into serious mode, but RVS stuff doesn't really have any clues as to alignment. I mean I guess it could, but since nobody is being serious it's difficult to actually extract a good read on mindsets.
Actually, I just made the mistake of assuming someone who expressed an opinion similar to my own came to the conclusion the in the exact same way I did. I'm having trouble seeing what I would stand to gain from twisting his scum accusation.
Let me put it this way. Between you, Yanni, and pinkfloyd a very quick wagon formed on a player based on absolute conjecture. You participated very strongly and brought a player up to L-3 within a few days of the game starting. If 22bebo had said something like, "Can I talk to my partners during day?" in thread then I could see such a wagon forming. As it is, I see an opportunistic scum trying to push through a very weak wagon. That makes me view your behavior, and Yanni's and pinkfloyd's, as potentially scummy from the moment you attacked Audinho for obviously joke posts.
No, I thought I had already explained it. There's a difference.
And you can understand that when viewed through the lens that you're scum backing off a failed attack it looks fishy. Confluence of behavior impacts perception.
I see that you called them out extremely early with little to no reasoning, because it was "obvious". When 22bebo asked for clarification (and I would love clarification as to your reasoning as well, since this wagon is building really fast), he only received a dismissive/insulted looking response and a vote. Admittedly, I did miss your post where you explicitly said you were serious.
@22bebo: How much Mafia experience do you have?
You don't need reasoning to hunt scum you just pick at people just like I did. Their response was what I would expect from scum and other peoples reactions is just priceless.
You are at my #3 scum spot right now, boy this has been a great game so far.
I guess I wasn't aware that you could just end RVS like that. I'm going to try that next game I'm in because I *hate* RVS.
And for the record, you STILL haven't explained WHAT you called me/us out on? From my point of view here is what happened.
Me- random vote for stupid reason
blah blah blah
pf- dork is obv scum
Me- mentally double checking role PM
blah blah blah
Me- sarvcastic post about lurkers
pf- obv scum is obv. kill himz.
Me- ???
Granted, its a bit simplistic, but I think it covers all the bases. You're calling me scum based on 2(?) posts, one of which was a random vote. The other in which I admitting ignoring you because a- you were wrong via my role pm and b- you had no case to defend against.
What did you want me to say to your accusation? "Am not scum, you're a doody head!"?
*shrug*
I'll try that next time you call me scum and see if you accept that as a defense, lol.
lol smearing what I said. Yeah that will make you look real town.
lol smearing what I said. Yeah that will make you look real town.
1. How can I smear what you said when you said nothing?
2. I'm not all that interested in how I look. I'm interested in catching scum.
3. I would say you're tunneling, but even that requires an actual case of some type.
@Anyone else- did I miss where pf posted an actual reason for voting me?
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Where did you say that? You said you inferred the same thing as PinkFloyd, who never said what he inferred. He just called me and Dork Knight scum and said it would be easy. You got on Audinho for it, then he said "I thought it would be a good joke" and you let up. What makes his thing a joke and perfectly fine in RVS but mine not? Because I didn't vote for someone without reading anything in the thread or because I didn't respond to a vote that had no explanation, and included what seemed to be the joking words "Oh boy this will be easy?"
@Yanni: Care to give a reason why?
id rather lynch dorknight than you righ tnow
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I left Audinho alone for it because it is not a very reliable scum-tell on its own and his reaction to my question seemed honest. Your reactions are cagey and you keep misrepresenting what I'm saying.
Please prod Nis. The game started over 72 hours ago and he hasn't posted yet.
It's a typical DK post. I hate to read them, but that's how a lot of them are -- it's null to me. 22's responses also look more or less null.
This is the post I hate:
That's too nervous and too shifty for my liking. Do you think "clearing" KK as town makes you look like a good townie yourself? I see no reason how that clears KK in the least.
You then vote for 22 on a language tell.
Vote Audinho
why are you weak meta defending dk?
vote on audinho is valid points.
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I took his post as RVS. It would be the same if you ignored his first post voting you, except that one was obviously RVS.
Why do you prefer Dork Knight?
Alright, I can't provide any defense against those points because there's no concrete evidence for them. Can you tell me how you think I was trying to end RVS in most post? I honestly don't see any way it could be interpreted that way, but I'm obviously wrong.
Also, if PinkFloyd is scum (Not saying he is, just saying IF he is) then couldn't he just be like "Yep, that's totally what I meant," to your "Correct me if I'm wrong," stuff. Isn't that coaching? Or am I very confused on what coaching is?
Aside from that, this post is much more townie than your last few. hmm.
He could. I see he could actually benefit from my assumption that his opinions were the same as mine if he is. Not a very big benefit, but a benefit. Sloppy play on my part.
You haven't read many of Audinho's games have you?
Nervous and shifty is my MO, bro. I seldom am, but apparently looks that way when I'm expressing myself in writing. I don't really care much about "looking townie", I'm trying to play the game and KK seems to be town so why not mention it? (I'm clearing him since he looks to be scumhunting and getting the game going, which is townie of him. YMMV)
What's wrong with voting on a language tell? I'd say it got this party started, so to speak.
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How did it look like I was trying to ignore RVS?
It looked like you were trying to ignore it because you made a post that served little purpose than to announce your presence. You knew it was RVS, and didn't make a vote or provide any other thoughts, which made it stand out. It's pretty null me, but I thought it was a little weird too.
I agree that his posting seems shifty. My only exposure to Audinho's meta was during Kill Bill, which was a pretty unusual game. I would be inclined to agree with this line of thought for the time being, as I feel it's a line of thought that seems worse than 22's.
I also really dislike this post. It does seem to be DK's meta, but that still doesn't make it suddenly better.
For now:
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except I didn't and he didn't?
becaus eunlike you, Dorkknight is just sitting their twiddling his thumbs
I was pretty blatant in my inturpritation of your post
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Oh! Sorry then.
lol implying I would be coached. I don't need to be coached I've played enough games
vote 22bebo
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Thank you, is this how everyone else feels about it? I didn't know that it was the precedent to actually immediately vote without looking in RVS. I prefer to read what everyone else has said and make a silly vote based off that, which is what my second post was intended to be.
It was an example. I'm sure you have in one of your mafia games during RVS not responded to someone's post about you, because you thought it had no merit on what was actually going on. I didn't know his post was actually calling me out for anything serious.
*Sigh* Yes, but how did it read that way?
No, I figured that. I thought coaching was the idea that one scum team member tells another something through the way they word their posts. Is that not right?
Yawn, nice strawman
Are you seriously asking me to explain the subtext of a post?
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Do you or do you not agree with what Cythare said?
loaded question
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Lets push 22 unless you are anti town.
LOL
Because that post itself is null. I don't have a read either way from that one post.
What is bothering me is that DK hasn't done a single thing since while 22 has taken all of the heat. I'll be revising my opinion on DK after his next post.
As far as 22 goes, I don't care for these two posts:
The second of which looks like an attempt to push his defense onto another player. But my vote stays on Audinho for now.
Okay, I'll look into your other games.
But "KK seems to be town" =/= "you're town" -- and if your read of KK was genuine, what value would it have added to the game? Also, pf and KK were already on 22 at the time of your vote.
Your two RVS non-votes still bother me, too.
What is a loaded question exactly?
I was not intending for that. I find that his explanation of how he felt about my actions was in depth, and I think is what everyone else saw in my post. I am only trying to confirm the latter.
That's an example of coaching, right?
There is an 11 player scum team this game, right?
LOL
You're right, it didn't add much to the game, but in other circumstances it could have. It added something for me, like ingame notekeeping. Also I felt like Seppel for a second, which was awesome.
I knew those non-votes would trouble someone, but it was worth it. Good joke.
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are you serious?
No matter how I answer that question, you can go AHAH IM RIGHT. if I say NO I don't agree you go SO IM NOT SCUM and if I say I do agree you go SO IM NOT SCUM.
loaded so hard
also unvote, vote: 22bebo I'm down with some more pressure.
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It's been my experience that trying to analyze behavior in RVS results in absolutely nothing.
Yanni is definitely barning KK's attempts at scumhunting meaningless behavior in RVS. That's just sloppy on both of their parts.
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I'm not sure "sloppy" is the right word for it. His posts don't scream scum, but they were unusual, so they stood out. It's still pretty early in the game, so while I don't necessarily agree with Kool's/yanni's assessment of 22bebo, I commend them for applying pressure to get more information from him.
I was hoping to be able to continue analysis of Dork Knight, or that he would provide some further thought, since his last post just didn't sit right with, but there's little content there, and hasn't posted since Saturday morning. My vote will stay where it is until DK provides some better posts.
Also, for reference, 22bebo is at L-3.
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That really concerns me. We're less than a hundred posts into this game and a player is already amassing a not insignificant wagon. I'm not even sure why there is a wagon since, like I already said, behavioral analysis of RVS posts is asinine.
Yanni is definitely barning KK and pinkfloyd. First he follows KK's jump on 22 and now he's up for pinkfloyd's idea of applying pressure to 22. It just doesn't sit right to me that he's following those two on some baseless crusade against 22.
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unvote because RVS is over.
The last post where all you said was that you ignored pf sat wrong with me because it just said he was wrong without providing any additional information. I agree that there wasn't much to respond to, and in retrospect, responding directly probably would have seemed like backpedaling.
I was a little unclear in my previous post about 22bebo's wagon. I'm not comfortable with the speed of the wagon, but I don't have a problem with the questions that KK and others were asking. The post where pf voted for 22 does seem off to me, though, since it seems like he's voting because he's insulted (maybe not the right word):
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Read the game and you will see I stopped rvs and called out 22 and dork.
I voted in my next post because the response sealed the deal.
LOL
I see that you called them out extremely early with little to no reasoning, because it was "obvious". When 22bebo asked for clarification (and I would love clarification as to your reasoning as well, since this wagon is building really fast), he only received a dismissive/insulted looking response and a vote. Admittedly, I did miss your post where you explicitly said you were serious.
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And for the record, you STILL haven't explained WHAT you called me/us out on? From my point of view here is what happened.
Me- random vote for stupid reason
blah blah blah
pf- dork is obv scum
Me- mentally double checking role PM
blah blah blah
Me- sarvcastic post about lurkers
pf- obv scum is obv. kill himz.
Me- ???
Granted, its a bit simplistic, but I think it covers all the bases. You're calling me scum based on 2(?) posts, one of which was a random vote. The other in which I admitting ignoring you because a- you were wrong via my role pm and b- you had no case to defend against.
What did you want me to say to your accusation? "Am not scum, you're a doody head!"?
*shrug*
I'll try that next time you call me scum and see if you accept that as a defense, lol.
Could you elaborate on what strikes you as odd about the pressure applied? From my point of view the pressure was nonsensical. In fact:
Here you tell 22bebo that Yanni is calling him scum (which Yanni didn't actually do at that point) because he totally avoided pinkfloyd's RVS post calling 22bebo scum. This is conjecture and not a step above saying that 22bebo is scum because you had a dream that he is. You and pinkfloyd are pushing something that doesn't even exist at this point.
Now your vote:
Again, behavior analysis during RVS is absurd. There is absolutely nothing to analyze. You've got votes and posts being thrown around as jokes and you've tried to paint 22bebo and Aurdihno as scum for joking around. You are emphasizing the vote in RVS without looking at the random.
22bebo even makes a good point right after this: How do you know that was what pinkfloyd was implying? He confirmed absolutely nothing about your theory at this point and you're twisting it to fit your needs. At this point the case against 22bebo is thin; I can see what you are saying by the time you're voting, but it's still not even circumstantial.
22bebo even comes back with a good post that tears a hole in your argument. If 22bebo thought it was RVS what good does it do to respond? Your response? 22bebo was ignoring the RVS. Guess what? I would have too had I not been gone. RVS is, once again, random. There is no use trying to analyze behavior during RVS.
Now let's address 22bebo's "loaded question." Cythare actually puts up a valid interpretation of 22bebo's RVS actions. He correctly states it's a null tell. Most importantly, it's something concrete that can be responded to. It's something 22bebo would have been able to address way back then if pinkfloyd had actually said something like it instead of allowing you to lead a crusade based on inference. Do note that you latch on to this life raft that Cythare has provided (this isn't to say Cythare meant to provide you with a life raft, just that you saw an opportunity). The game is less than 100 posts and you can't even remember if you pointed out your inference of pinkfloyd's post before attacking 22bebo?
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Okay. I'm not going to tunnel you on your early posts alone, when you haven't been particularly scummy since and are looking more and more like a dejected townie.
I'll note those posts and move on for now.
Unvote
I'll reread the 22/DK situation later.
unvote Actually, I meant pf was calling him scum because... not yanni. I need to remember not to use pronouns. I did not vote him because of his post during RVS as I have already said. Do you really think it's absurd to look for behavior tells in RVS when there has been no content aside from RVS? Wrong. I've not tried to paint them as anything. I've asked about their motivations behind something that is sometimes a scum tell. I immediately left Audinho alone after his response because I was reminded of his town game. With bebo22 I got over excited by his confused responses because I didn't realize what a bad job I was doing explaining myself. Actually, I just made the mistake of assuming someone who expressed an opinion similar to my own came to the conclusion the in the exact same way I did. I'm having trouble seeing what I would stand to gain from twisting his scum accusation. There certainly can be a use to analyzing RVS behavior. I don't hold any illusions that it is as reliable as behavior in the game proper though. I don't really have a defense for this as it was my own fault I didn't explain my views clearly enough. I did not "latch on to a life raft" however, as I did not realize, at the time, that I was playing so badly. No, I thought I had already explained it. There's a difference.
Which on of my town games have you read?
I must say it looks like you're unvoting because you're afraid of Nis. Hmm.
Also, you really should utilise your enter-button when quoting. It comes out as a big slab of text without the quotes.
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I'd rather not make someone claim who I realized I was reading incorrectly no matter how it makes me look.
There probably should be more, as I replaced into beeing lynched in Mean Girls and got NK'ed N1 in Animaniacs.
I guess your reasoning is fair.
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I might be misreading this post:
Your vote is after a sentence directly referencing the post in RVS. You do mention that you do not like his reactions. I'm attaching the vote to the former and assuming the latter is reinforcing.
Yes. Everyone is playing around during RVS. Eventually somebody says something to switch the game into serious mode, but RVS stuff doesn't really have any clues as to alignment. I mean I guess it could, but since nobody is being serious it's difficult to actually extract a good read on mindsets.
Let me put it this way. Between you, Yanni, and pinkfloyd a very quick wagon formed on a player based on absolute conjecture. You participated very strongly and brought a player up to L-3 within a few days of the game starting. If 22bebo had said something like, "Can I talk to my partners during day?" in thread then I could see such a wagon forming. As it is, I see an opportunistic scum trying to push through a very weak wagon. That makes me view your behavior, and Yanni's and pinkfloyd's, as potentially scummy from the moment you attacked Audinho for obviously joke posts.
And you can understand that when viewed through the lens that you're scum backing off a failed attack it looks fishy. Confluence of behavior impacts perception.
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My vote is technically still on Dork Knight. I'm not feeling very strong about the vote, but I had wanted to hear more from him first.
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You don't need reasoning to hunt scum you just pick at people just like I did. Their response was what I would expect from scum and other peoples reactions is just priceless.
You are at my #3 scum spot right now, boy this has been a great game so far.
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lol smearing what I said. Yeah that will make you look real town.
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*Nods at Nis's last post* I accept everything you say here, Nis.
Can you show exactly where 22bebo has scummy responses? Because I now think we were wrong about him.
And where+what are these priceless reactions from other people.
1. How can I smear what you said when you said nothing?
2. I'm not all that interested in how I look. I'm interested in catching scum.
3. I would say you're tunneling, but even that requires an actual case of some type.
@Anyone else- did I miss where pf posted an actual reason for voting me?