Odd; it works fine for me. It is possible that you checked the thread briefly in the intervening time but forgot that you did so.
Every post from 138 forward is a post I hadn't yet seen. Every single post, including the most recent one's are marked blue for me.
Given that I've been asleep for most of that time, I'm pretty sure I haven't been checking the thread, but who knows, maybe I sleep walk without knowing it.
I've both played and moderated games where name and role claiming has been forbidden. That you find it incomprehensible is not something that I feel the need to take into consideration.
However, this is what I can say: I am a male from district five. I have no weapon, but am interested in pilfering supplies from Career tributes by distracting them, hoping that doing so will increase my chance of survival.. I also have no noteworthy abilities.
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I've both played and moderated games where name and role claiming has been forbidden. That you find it incomprehensible is not something that I feel the need to take into consideration.
However, this is what I can say: I am a male from district five. I have no weapon, but am interested in pilfering supplies from Career tributes by distracting them, hoping that doing so will increase my chance of survival.. I also have no noteworthy abilities.
is there anything else you care to share?
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Specifics, please - if you have particular questions, do ask, but please don't assume I know what you're asking if you are not going to come out and ask it.
That's about the extent of my role. There was mention of caves near the entrance being too dangerous, but that's about all I have.
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If DS is scum, then they probably weren't given safe claims. If that's true, DS has a ~50% chance of being CC'd Today.
I'm not sure how you figure that. Are you simply looking at 24 tributes vs. the 12 players in this game and ignoring anything else?
I think claiming a generic tribute is much less than 50% likely to get CC'd. I don't know, but I do believe that several of the tributes can be reasonably expected to be represented. I would expect at least the following to be roles: Katniss, Peeta, Rue, Thresh and Cato. I'd also expect a high likelihood of these showing up: Foxface, Clove, Glimmer and Marvel (boy from D1 that killed Rue in the books though his name isn't given until the second book). If all of those are present, then 9 of the 12 roles are already taken, leaving only a 1 in 5 chance of picking poorly. Plus there's the possibility the game uses characters OTHER than only tributes from the 74th hunger games. We could have Haymitch or a tribute from the 75th games, perhaps even president Coin or president Snow, just to mess with those trying to flavor game.
The point being, I definitely don't think it's 50/50 that he would get CC'd if he's both Scum and grasping at straws for his claim.
I'm not sure how you figure that. Are you simply looking at 24 tributes vs. the 12 players in this game and ignoring anything else?
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Plus there's the possibility the game uses characters OTHER than only tributes from the 74th hunger games. We could have Haymitch or a tribute from the 75th games, perhaps even president Coin or president Snow, just to mess with those trying to flavor game.
The point being, I definitely don't think it's 50/50 that he would get CC'd if he's both Scum and grasping at straws for his claim.
Hence why I said ~50% and not 50%.
I have zero interest in flavor gaming beyond saying that there are 12*2 tributes in the Games.
I think claiming a generic tribute is much less than 50% likely to get CC'd. I don't know, but I do believe that several of the tributes can be reasonably expected to be represented. I would expect at least the following to be roles: Katniss, Peeta, Rue, Thresh and Cato. I'd also expect a high likelihood of these showing up: Foxface, Clove, Glimmer and Marvel (boy from D1 that killed Rue in the books though his name isn't given until the second book). If all of those are present, then 9 of the 12 roles are already taken, leaving only a 1 in 5 chance of picking poorly.
Why do you expect a high likelihood of those roles?
I have zero interest in flavor gaming beyond saying that there are 12*2 tributes in the Games.
Why do you expect a high likelihood of those roles?
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a high likelihood of these roles. I'm not really sure how much (if at all) of a role flavor takes in these games, but it would make sense to have more of the assigned roles to be named people just so that it would resonate with the players. However, it's completely reasonable if AsianInvasion chose generic tributes for vanilla townies so that people assigned these roles would be less disappointed that their named character didn't do something cool. I'll unvote for now.
Why do you expect a high likelihood of those roles?
How silly of me to think that a Hunger Games Mafia would actually use characters from the Hunger Games. What was I thinking?
You're right. I'm sure the mod designed a Hunger Games Mafia and used Looney Toons characters instead for most of the roles.
And while I know sarcasm doesn't generally translate well in printed form, if you have trouble detecting it here, you REALLY need help!
And to those "refusing" to Mod Game, what the hell do you think "I have zero interest in flavor gaming beyond saying that there are 12*2 tributes in the Games." is? That's pure modgaming at it's WORST. It's applying modgaming to the topic, but doing so in a way that doesn't even make sense.
Either Mod game or don't, but don't go half assed about it!
As long as he name claims, and is not counter-claimed, I am willing to believe the claim.
So, if someone claims to be Effie Trinket, or maybe Delly Cartwright, and they don't get counter claimed, you're going to believe them too? Good to know.
Guys. Don't get me wrong. I'm not wanting to mod-game here. I brought it up as a COUNTER to what was being said. I brought it up to show examples/reasons why his assertion that not being CC'd was a 50/50 chance of making a claim truthful. There's mod-gaming inherent in that statement.
I brought it up to show examples/reasons why his assertion that not being CC'd was a 50/50 chance of making a claim truthful. There's mod-gaming inherent in that statement.
I don't know what you're trying to prove. Read Post 162 again: I may as well have said "If DS is scum, then they probably weren't given safe claims. If that's true, DS has a >0% chance of being CC'd Today." The point of that post is that DS flipping scum would signify that they don't have safe claims. I added a rough estimate of what ">0%" means in practice based on flavor.
Is that modgaming? Yes. Am I using it to prove a point? No.
But if you want to keep naming Hunger Games characters, then be my guest.
I don't know what you're trying to prove. Read Post 162 again: I may as well have said "If DS is scum, then they probably weren't given safe claims. If that's true, DS has a >0% chance of being CC'd Today." The point of that post is that DS flipping scum would signify that they don't have safe claims. I added a rough estimate of what ">0%" means in practice based on flavor.
Is that modgaming? Yes. Am I using it to prove a point? No.
But if you want to keep naming Hunger Games characters, then be my guest.
Okay. You've completely lost me. I've tried a couple times now, but I can't make sense of what you said here.
Let's try to make this simpler, please. Let me ask a few questions.
1) If DS is Scum, why does it mean he wasn't given safe claims?
2) Are you saying that the generic boy he claimed cannot be Mafia?
3) Or am I reading that wrong and you think he IS really that tribute and that tribute IS one that you expect to be Mafia?
4) Is any of your assertions about whether the Mafia have safe claims tied to whether he also gets CC'd or not? I mean, if he gets CC'd and then flips Scum, I agree it's a pretty good assumption, but what if he flips Scum but wasn't ever CC'd?
I don't see any tie between him being CC'd first and your conclusion that him flipping Scum means he had no safe claim provided. I see you talking about both issues, but I'm not seeing any link saying one leads to the other.
2) Are you saying that the generic boy he claimed cannot be Mafia?
Yes. His claimed role states that he is "interested in pilfering supplies from Career tributes" and the mod stated that "Career Tributes are Mafia." No outside knowledge required.
4) Is any of your assertions about whether the Mafia have safe claims tied to whether he also gets CC'd or not? I mean, if he gets CC'd and then flips Scum, I agree it's a pretty good assumption, but what if he flips Scum but wasn't ever CC'd?
This is where I needed to be clearer. Yes, it depends on him being CC'd.
He asked the mod if he was allowed to nameclaim. If he had a safe claim he would've had the question already answered for him.
Not necessarily.
Yes. His claimed role states that he is "interested in pilfering supplies from Career tributes" and the mod stated that "Career Tributes are Mafia." No outside knowledge required.
and this proves that he is town how?
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
How so? I was basing it on logic but I'm also speaking from complete practical ignorance here.
He could have been putting on a show.
DS's claimed role or DS himself?
why are you even asking this question
If you're talking about the role, then I don't see why the PM would be worded to suggest that he pilfers supplies from himself.
i found this cool website.
Look, there's no way you can say he didn't just fabricate a claim. I get that people no longer want to lynch, that's fine, but I have reason to think this claim was faked and my vote is staying here for now.
My point is that you are making a lot of assumptions that you shouldn't be making.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Because you misread Ahlyis's question to me. He was asking if I thought the role DS claimed could have been mafia, not DS himself. I only said that the role DS claimed is unquestionably town. DS himself could go either way.
I'll look at DS again, but I don't have any reason as strong as your apparent one to justify going back on the wagon right now.
So, if someone claims to be Effie Trinket, or maybe Delly Cartwright, and they don't get counter claimed, you're going to believe them too? Good to know.
No. There is something specific about his claimed role that very closely mirrors something in my own. With him being the first claim, I'm willing to take it at face value, unless something odd happens - like the name he claims being counterclaimed.
It's not an attempt to mod game or even flavor game, really. Just something in his claim that I don't think scum would have, or know to fake.
Unless there was a full flavor for the dead person on N0 that I missed?
Ecophagy has been killed. He was Boy D9 (Town Vanilla).
Quote from Sample Town Role PM »
Boy D9 (Town Vanilla) http://thehungergames.wikia.com/wiki..._%2874th_HG%29
With odds of winning at 22-1, no one expected anything of you. They weren't disappointed. Your bloody corpse will serve as a warning to those who would defy the Career Tributes, and your death a legacy to the indomitable might of the Capitol.
You have no special abilities.
I'm no longer strongly opposed to the lynch, but I do still think that he struck me more as defeatist town than defeatist scum, even if I can't really articulate why I think so.
No. There is something specific about his claimed role that very closely mirrors something in my own. With him being the first claim, I'm willing to take it at face value, unless something odd happens - like the name he claims being counterclaimed.
It's not an attempt to mod game or even flavor game, really. Just something in his claim that I don't think scum would have, or know to fake.
Unless there was a full flavor for the dead person on N0 that I missed?
I'm still not sure how the your post here is invalidated by posts describing person N0. It seems to line up to me, unless people are suggesting that the flavor of "being interested in pilfering supplies from Career tributes" suggests that he may be hiding a special ability. Until we have a CC that confirms (or decisively proves the opposite), I'm comfortable with my unvote for now.
Hello all. From this point forward I will be replacing Albus. I'll need some time to read over the gamestate again, and if any of you have pressing matters you feel I may miss, do let me know.
Alright. Done an initial read-through. I don't have the keen eye that some of the more experienced players have as far as the minute tells, but Drifting Skies' behaviour is, as you all have already noted, suspect. What I find particularly odd is that DS' claim is in multiple parts, and that he asks if name claiming is allowable, but seems content sitting with an anonymous tribute as his claim.
Alright. Done an initial read-through. I don't have the keen eye that some of the more experienced players have as far as the minute tells, but Drifting Skies' behaviour is, as you all have already noted, suspect. What I find particularly odd is that DS' claim is in multiple parts, and that he asks if name claiming is allowable, but seems content sitting with an anonymous tribute as his claim.
I understand the concern with the name claiming and claiming an anonymous tribute, but that could just be construed as not being sure if he could reveal the specific tribute he was. Since a large percentage of the tributes didn't receive a name due to dying super fast or just not being important to the story, revealing the tribute number would be the best he could do in terms of sharing his identity. Also, it would make sense that if a large percentage of townies are vanilla, they would receive generic tributes. That way, people aren't disappointed when they get a named tribute that did something awesome in the novel only to find they are just vanilla (for anyone who is flavor gaming).
Ah yes, Tordeck
Put bluntly your play is, and has been, disappointing. Your post count in what is approaching a two hundred post game is Nine. From this downright staggering number of posts we have a rough total of 194 words. Fun fact: If I don't get Nathed then you will have said one word for every single post in this game at the time of my posting, bolded commands notwithstanding. With any luck I'll pass your wordcount by post four. Why am I bothering to bring this up? Your credibility, of course. I don't have the advantage of multi-game meta that you may have behind you, but I do know that providing bare minimum pseudocontent is a great way to keep your name in the quotes and avoid looking like a lurker.
vote Tordeck.
Your posts have a categorical air of finality to them, as if your statements are at their core infallible and so axiomatic that anything to the contrary is willful ignorance.
Noone should be gaming purely on flavour, no. There are, however, tells to be found when one is paraphrasing from a source (Their PM) as opposed to paraphrasing from, say, fiction (A falseclaim made by scum). If we do not examine every avenue by which the scum can be exposed, then we risk leaving them undetected.
Your prior post. Based off your role PM? His claim could be argued to 'fit' based off of the generic just as easily. In a time when posting was fast, you were the first to reach your decision that the wagon you'd put to L-2 had been given sufficient evidence, and his claim was acceptable. Not only this, the discussion subsequent to this gains no input from you other than "Modgaming is bad. Stop it"
Do you think we shouldn't look into possible fakeclaims made by DS? If so, why?
Hello X is X, how nice to see you again.
Not moving your vote? No problem. Outright stating that your vote isn't moving because "OMGUS is OMGUS" ? Not sure how I feel about that.
1 You choaching a player who is at a legitimate l-2 to not claim? Yeah your next to hang.
2 @Skies - dont modgame. especially in a gorram basic.
3 That and the one
4 L-2 is claim range on this site. And whats the worst that happens. two scum come in and try a quick hammer. Great we just caught the next two lynches and ride this to win town.
5 Most of the regulars have it either in their sig or their blog here on Sally. If they dont you can assume they are fairly new.
Numbers mine.
1: How quickly you determine the lynches- I didn't know we were playing Kingmaker.
2: I'd like to know what you were referring to as modgaming this time. No quote means no context.
3: Null, though a bit of a bleak outlook on the game
4: Null. Statement of fact.
5: Null. Statement of fact.
Alright maybe the exact use of "flavor gaming" was incorrect, but then again, you seem quick to lynch me anyways, so I don't think anything I say will change your mind short of claiming. All I meant was that I feel Drifting Skies' claim of his character being vanilla and unnamed may seem like an "easy way of avoiding sharing his name", or it might just be that his character doesn't have a name. A maximum of 9/12 of us could have named characters if all the names are derived from the tributes, so he could be one of the three without a name. As Nyxu said, we shouldn't game purely based on flavor, and that what I intended to suggest, but it doesn't hurt to still have some vague awareness of it in the context of a name claim.
Ten minutes isn't all that much if you're catching up and making a post and simply don't refresh, though.
If you had focused on the
part of the post, it'd be a slightly different story. As I'd be pretty okay with a scum revealing themselves in such a manner!
FWIW, I was in the mountains when I made that post. So, slow internet.
Regarding the quoted piece, I was referring to the info that comes after a claim. Scum tend to quickhammer after a claim to appear town and not let the town discuss what the claim does for that person's alignment in our eyes, which is valuable info in some cases.
As long as he name claims, and is not counter-claimed, I am willing to believe the claim.
Why are we letting him slide on a vanilla claim? Unless someone else claims his name, then we can assume that's correct. But he claimed vanilla. Scum love claiming vanilla because you can't be CC'd on a vanilla claim, rolewise.
Vote skies. Barring any more necessary discussion, we've found our first scum. Let's end the day.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
FWIW, I was in the mountains when I made that post. So, slow internet.
Regarding the quoted piece, I was referring to the info that comes after a claim. Scum tend to quickhammer after a claim to appear town and not let the town discuss what the claim does for that person's alignment in our eyes, which is valuable info in some cases.
Why are we letting him slide on a vanilla claim? Unless someone else claims his name, then we can assume that's correct. But he claimed vanilla. Scum love claiming vanilla because you can't be CC'd on a vanilla claim, rolewise.
Vote skies. Barring any more necessary discussion, we've found our first scum. Let's end the day.
I feel the need to point out before you quick-lynch me just how hypocritical and scummy this is. Read the bold statements carefully. First, he says scum tend to want to quicklynch after a claim is made as vanilla.
He immediately suggests that we lynch me with only the minimal amount of "necessary discussion". In otherwords, he says something is scummy, and then immediately does just that. My credibility may be shot, but before I get the noose, I feel that should be pointed out for the record.
Unvote, Vote Kill-Joy.
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[font='Georgia']I only know a few of these people, and I don't want to start backstabbing people I don't know well enough yet so I am sorry but I will vote Atogaholic. I can't trust that strange symbol of an avatar.[/font]
We've talked about this enough. It doesn't jive with his later posts.
[font='Georgia']If we didn't manage to get any weapons from the Cornucopia, mud is a perfectly acceptable weapon.[/font]
I'll stop looking at the awkward pseudo-flavor gaming of this post and look at why it was directed to Megiddo. Were you buddying with Atog to support his attacks on Meg?
[font='Georgia']He's tying himself to me until he can stab me in the back[/font]
Every time I read this it looks like less and less of a joke. If Atog is town, it looks like you're deflecting onto him; if Atog is scum, it looks like you're bussing him.
[font='Georgia']I just came out the gate too overly untrusting, and very skeptical that I would get very far in my first game, especially with the hole I've been digging myself[/font]
Why were you untrusting? Why did that lead you to vote Atog?
[font='Georgia']Because I figured maybe Atog was trying to hide behind my noobiness and I'm really bad at sarcasm.
I guess part of it was that I didn't really get that everyone was random voting, so I was trying to make a vote that would be less likely to get me ganged up on, and give a reason why I was doing it. The other part was that I was just being stupid.
I've addressed this already but I still don't understand why you voted at all.
[font='Georgia']The only people I really have interacted with before this game were Atog and Megiddo, because of Club Flamingo, so I flipped a coin and it came up Atog.[/font]
The coin flip still boggles my mind. If you were doing it for RVS, I wouldn't think twice about it. But you just said that you "didn't really get that everyone was random voting." Explain the coin flip.
[font='Georgia']I don't particularly think so. I figured he was just coming to my aid to support a new player. I just said that in response to Meg saying he was tying himself to me to be vaguely divisive.[/font]
It looks like you're trying to unravel the ties between you and Atog.
[font='Georgia']I figured that people were voting randomly, but didn't realize that it initially entailed so much voting/unvoting to get things going. I figured the first round or two might just be random killing off until things started to level out.
I don't really have a good explanation for anything else beyond what I said, since I just figured I'd vote too since everyone else was voting. The language was just because I didn't put too much thought into my phrasing.[/font]
Oh, so now you figure that people were voting randomly? Yeah okay.
That was just a pun on the game flavor. Megiddo accused Atog of mudslinging, so I just responded with something flavorful.
I still find it interesting that you responded to Megiddo directly, not the two together.
At this point, k-j seems more town to me, and I'm on the fence about Meg, with a lean towards town, and similar with Atog. I'm personally skeptical of Tordeck, because he was quick to judge me and took a while to give reasons beyond "his posts reek of noob scum" without further reasons given, but I'm not sure yet, because I really don't have enough experience to analyze this fully yet, and he hasn't contributed too much else to the conversation yet to indicate his own alignment.
I'm also skeptical about Drifting Skies, but this has already been discussed a ton and I'd just be repeating others' thoughts. Since he's already received a lot of votes, though, and it's pretty early on, I'm going to refrain from voting for him.
For now, Vote: Tordeck
The Tordeck vote here is somewhere between ironic and hypocritical. You admit that you have no read on his alignment, then you move on to DS, who you have a better read on but won't vote, then vote Tordeck.
[font='Georgia']My "moving on..." just meant that I was moving on from the thanking everyone for helping enlighten me on how to hopefully be less nooby in future games, but I do realize that it was also dismissive of my previous posts. That said, the damage has been done, and anything else that I really say doesn't help my case, since I'm either:
a) Ignoring it - possibly scummy behavior, or
b) Backpedaling again - even more scummy behavior
Maybe moving forward, I'll be able to convince people I'm not scum; otherwise, I've learned from my mistakes and know how not to handle myself in my second Mafia game.[/font]
How about you convince me that you're town and not that you're scum right now?
[font='Georgia']I mentioned it briefly, but sure. Of the 4 times Tordeck posted before my vote, one of them was somewhat unrelated - it was in response to The Most Curious Thing giving me some advice while he thought out loud - and the other 3 were votes for me or short responses that provided little insight into his thoughts. He says I'm "definitely noob scum" and that it's "obvious that I'm noob scum trapped and flailing", but doesn't provide any detail beyond a one liner that continually points a finger at me. Maybe my actions really do seem that obvious, but this to me seems like pretty scummy behavior in and of itself. I can't really explain it in too much more detail than that, because he hasn't provided much more content to act on besides "OMGUS is OMGUS".[/font]
So yeah basically your vote was OMGUS. Tordeck summed it up in three words because it only needed three words.
[font='Georgia']I never really responded to this, but this was mainly said because even though Atog was defending me, I wasn't convinced he was being altruistic. Regardless of whether it was a slip or not, it was a poorly thought out choice of words anyways. That was my way of saying that maybe he was trying to hide behind me, which I wasn't sure of at the time.
More of the same.
I also agree here. Whether or not you agree with Drifting Skies' logic, considering me as a flustered townie is an option that I would think would cross people's minds, even if they decide it's not the option they believe.
I'd still like you to convince me that I should believe that option.
I thought this was very well thought out, and also very compelling points to call out. Others have said similar things, but not in as compelling a way to me (or theirs just wasn't as much of a detail-oriented wall of text). It's pretty early on, and as I noted in post #132, I was hesitant to vote for DS because of the high number of votes for him already, but I am starting to agree with other people. I'm still wary of Tordeck, because he jumped in pretty early on with a vote for me without much explanation, but others had already talked about it at length, and maybe I shouldn't fault him for not showing his work
Unvote Tordeck Vote Drifting Skies[/font]
But this vote put him at L-1. He has a higher number of votes at this point than when you said you wouldn't vote for him originally. Why vote for him now?
[font='Georgia']Alright maybe the exact use of "flavor gaming" was incorrect, but then again, you seem quick to lynch me anyways, so I don't think anything I say will change your mind short of claiming. All I meant was that I feel Drifting Skies' claim of his character being vanilla and unnamed may seem like an "easy way of avoiding sharing his name", or it might just be that his character doesn't have a name. A maximum of 9/12 of us could have named characters if all the names are derived from the tributes, so he could be one of the three without a name. As Nyxu said, we shouldn't game purely based on flavor, and that what I intended to suggest, but it doesn't hurt to still have some vague awareness of it in the context of a name claim.
Vote Tordeck again[/font]
That vote is such a non-sequitur after the rest of the post -- all I see is still an OMGUS vote. Even if Tordeck is tunneling you, I see no reason to consider him scum.
So Tordeck puts pressure on your wagon, you lash out at him; the pressure shifts to DS, you hop over to DS's wagon; the pressure comes off DS (Tordeck and I had unvoted him), you back off DS's wagon; Tordeck puts pressure back on you, you lash out at him again. I should have done this four days ago. Vote Cythare
I feel better about lynching Cythare than DS right now, but I'd like to see a better case on DS first (why is his claimed role so fishy?)
Also, @Atog
It's been almost 72 hours since your last post. I don't like your lurking.
Every post from 138 forward is a post I hadn't yet seen. Every single post, including the most recent one's are marked blue for me.
Given that I've been asleep for most of that time, I'm pretty sure I haven't been checking the thread, but who knows, maybe I sleep walk without knowing it.
I admit, his post bugs me for that reason. I don't have a problem with the 10 minutes either. But his wording "feels" a bit scummy to me.
But given that's the first post of his that has pinged my scumdar, I'm just going to make a note of it at this point.
Vanilla town.
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$tandard: Too poor.
Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
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Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
Went to a new shop from a friend's recommendation, DQ'ed for willful violation of CR 100.6b.
Have played duals? I have PucaPoints for them!
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$tandard: Too poor.
Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
5. Do not quote PMs or you will be modkilled. You may discuss the flavor and paraphrase it in your own words, but do not quote any PMs.
Stalling is stalling.
unvote, vote skies that should be l-2
The Family
However, this is what I can say: I am a male from district five. I have no weapon, but am interested in pilfering supplies from Career tributes by distracting them, hoping that doing so will increase my chance of survival.. I also have no noteworthy abilities.
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Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
based off my own role pm the claim fits.
vote cy
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If DS is scum, then they probably weren't given safe claims. If that's true, DS has a ~50% chance of being CC'd Today.
That's about the extent of my role. There was mention of caves near the entrance being too dangerous, but that's about all I have.
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Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
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Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
I'm not sure how you figure that. Are you simply looking at 24 tributes vs. the 12 players in this game and ignoring anything else?
I think claiming a generic tribute is much less than 50% likely to get CC'd. I don't know, but I do believe that several of the tributes can be reasonably expected to be represented. I would expect at least the following to be roles: Katniss, Peeta, Rue, Thresh and Cato. I'd also expect a high likelihood of these showing up: Foxface, Clove, Glimmer and Marvel (boy from D1 that killed Rue in the books though his name isn't given until the second book). If all of those are present, then 9 of the 12 roles are already taken, leaving only a 1 in 5 chance of picking poorly. Plus there's the possibility the game uses characters OTHER than only tributes from the 74th hunger games. We could have Haymitch or a tribute from the 75th games, perhaps even president Coin or president Snow, just to mess with those trying to flavor game.
The point being, I definitely don't think it's 50/50 that he would get CC'd if he's both Scum and grasping at straws for his claim.
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Hence why I said ~50% and not 50%.
I have zero interest in flavor gaming beyond saying that there are 12*2 tributes in the Games.
Why do you expect a high likelihood of those roles?
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a high likelihood of these roles. I'm not really sure how much (if at all) of a role flavor takes in these games, but it would make sense to have more of the assigned roles to be named people just so that it would resonate with the players. However, it's completely reasonable if AsianInvasion chose generic tributes for vanilla townies so that people assigned these roles would be less disappointed that their named character didn't do something cool. I'll unvote for now.
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How silly of me to think that a Hunger Games Mafia would actually use characters from the Hunger Games. What was I thinking?
You're right. I'm sure the mod designed a Hunger Games Mafia and used Looney Toons characters instead for most of the roles.
And while I know sarcasm doesn't generally translate well in printed form, if you have trouble detecting it here, you REALLY need help!
And to those "refusing" to Mod Game, what the hell do you think "I have zero interest in flavor gaming beyond saying that there are 12*2 tributes in the Games." is? That's pure modgaming at it's WORST. It's applying modgaming to the topic, but doing so in a way that doesn't even make sense.
Either Mod game or don't, but don't go half assed about it!
So, if someone claims to be Effie Trinket, or maybe Delly Cartwright, and they don't get counter claimed, you're going to believe them too? Good to know.
Guys. Don't get me wrong. I'm not wanting to mod-game here. I brought it up as a COUNTER to what was being said. I brought it up to show examples/reasons why his assertion that not being CC'd was a 50/50 chance of making a claim truthful. There's mod-gaming inherent in that statement.
No one has a gun to your head.
Let's try this again:
I don't know what you're trying to prove. Read Post 162 again: I may as well have said "If DS is scum, then they probably weren't given safe claims. If that's true, DS has a >0% chance of being CC'd Today." The point of that post is that DS flipping scum would signify that they don't have safe claims. I added a rough estimate of what ">0%" means in practice based on flavor.
Is that modgaming? Yes. Am I using it to prove a point? No.
But if you want to keep naming Hunger Games characters, then be my guest.
Okay. You've completely lost me. I've tried a couple times now, but I can't make sense of what you said here.
Let's try to make this simpler, please. Let me ask a few questions.
1) If DS is Scum, why does it mean he wasn't given safe claims?
2) Are you saying that the generic boy he claimed cannot be Mafia?
3) Or am I reading that wrong and you think he IS really that tribute and that tribute IS one that you expect to be Mafia?
4) Is any of your assertions about whether the Mafia have safe claims tied to whether he also gets CC'd or not? I mean, if he gets CC'd and then flips Scum, I agree it's a pretty good assumption, but what if he flips Scum but wasn't ever CC'd?
I don't see any tie between him being CC'd first and your conclusion that him flipping Scum means he had no safe claim provided. I see you talking about both issues, but I'm not seeing any link saying one leads to the other.
He asked the mod if he was allowed to nameclaim. If he had a safe claim he would've had the question already answered for him.
Yes. His claimed role states that he is "interested in pilfering supplies from Career tributes" and the mod stated that "Career Tributes are Mafia." No outside knowledge required.
No.
This is where I needed to be clearer. Yes, it depends on him being CC'd.
and this proves that he is town how?
How so? I was basing it on logic but I'm also speaking from complete practical ignorance here.
DS's claimed role or DS himself?
If you're talking about the role, then I don't see why the PM would be worded to suggest that he pilfers supplies from himself.
why are you even asking this question
i found this cool website.
Look, there's no way you can say he didn't just fabricate a claim. I get that people no longer want to lynch, that's fine, but I have reason to think this claim was faked and my vote is staying here for now.
My point is that you are making a lot of assumptions that you shouldn't be making.
Point taken.
Because you misread Ahlyis's question to me. He was asking if I thought the role DS claimed could have been mafia, not DS himself. I only said that the role DS claimed is unquestionably town. DS himself could go either way.
I'll look at DS again, but I don't have any reason as strong as your apparent one to justify going back on the wagon right now.
No. There is something specific about his claimed role that very closely mirrors something in my own. With him being the first claim, I'm willing to take it at face value, unless something odd happens - like the name he claims being counterclaimed.
It's not an attempt to mod game or even flavor game, really. Just something in his claim that I don't think scum would have, or know to fake.
Unless there was a full flavor for the dead person on N0 that I missed?
Yes.
That changes things, then.
Not sure how I completely missed that spoiler.
I'm no longer strongly opposed to the lynch, but I do still think that he struck me more as defeatist town than defeatist scum, even if I can't really articulate why I think so.
I'm still not sure how the your post here is invalidated by posts describing person N0. It seems to line up to me, unless people are suggesting that the flavor of "being interested in pilfering supplies from Career tributes" suggests that he may be hiding a special ability. Until we have a CC that confirms (or decisively proves the opposite), I'm comfortable with my unvote for now.
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I understand the concern with the name claiming and claiming an anonymous tribute, but that could just be construed as not being sure if he could reveal the specific tribute he was. Since a large percentage of the tributes didn't receive a name due to dying super fast or just not being important to the story, revealing the tribute number would be the best he could do in terms of sharing his identity. Also, it would make sense that if a large percentage of townies are vanilla, they would receive generic tributes. That way, people aren't disappointed when they get a named tribute that did something awesome in the novel only to find they are just vanilla (for anyone who is flavor gaming).
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Oh which no one should be.
Can you hurry up and die already?
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Put bluntly your play is, and has been, disappointing. Your post count in what is approaching a two hundred post game is Nine. From this downright staggering number of posts we have a rough total of 194 words. Fun fact: If I don't get Nathed then you will have said one word for every single post in this game at the time of my posting, bolded commands notwithstanding. With any luck I'll pass your wordcount by post four. Why am I bothering to bring this up? Your credibility, of course. I don't have the advantage of multi-game meta that you may have behind you, but I do know that providing bare minimum pseudocontent is a great way to keep your name in the quotes and avoid looking like a lurker.
vote Tordeck.
Your posts have a categorical air of finality to them, as if your statements are at their core infallible and so axiomatic that anything to the contrary is willful ignorance.
Noone should be gaming purely on flavour, no. There are, however, tells to be found when one is paraphrasing from a source (Their PM) as opposed to paraphrasing from, say, fiction (A falseclaim made by scum). If we do not examine every avenue by which the scum can be exposed, then we risk leaving them undetected.
X is Y. This post doesn't do too much on its own until you look a little further.
Your prior post. Based off your role PM? His claim could be argued to 'fit' based off of the generic just as easily. In a time when posting was fast, you were the first to reach your decision that the wagon you'd put to L-2 had been given sufficient evidence, and his claim was acceptable. Not only this, the discussion subsequent to this gains no input from you other than "Modgaming is bad. Stop it"
Do you think we shouldn't look into possible fakeclaims made by DS? If so, why?
First segment is null.
X is X, then the Voting Skies that we discussed above.
Hello X is X, how nice to see you again.
Not moving your vote? No problem. Outright stating that your vote isn't moving because "OMGUS is OMGUS" ? Not sure how I feel about that.
How very kind of you to ad-hom there. And if it's pretty obvious- as someone's said before- I'm sure you can demonstrate it for us.
And now your most content filled post!
Numbers mine.
1: How quickly you determine the lynches- I didn't know we were playing Kingmaker.
2: I'd like to know what you were referring to as modgaming this time. No quote means no context.
3: Null, though a bit of a bleak outlook on the game
4: Null. Statement of fact.
5: Null. Statement of fact.
Certainty without supporting argument.
Certainty without supporting argument.
Final note- While I have reason to suspect Tordeck, Cythare's case looks very solid, and I have no dissent as of yet.
Alright maybe the exact use of "flavor gaming" was incorrect, but then again, you seem quick to lynch me anyways, so I don't think anything I say will change your mind short of claiming. All I meant was that I feel Drifting Skies' claim of his character being vanilla and unnamed may seem like an "easy way of avoiding sharing his name", or it might just be that his character doesn't have a name. A maximum of 9/12 of us could have named characters if all the names are derived from the tributes, so he could be one of the three without a name. As Nyxu said, we shouldn't game purely based on flavor, and that what I intended to suggest, but it doesn't hurt to still have some vague awareness of it in the context of a name claim.
Vote Tordeck again
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FWIW, I was in the mountains when I made that post. So, slow internet.
Regarding the quoted piece, I was referring to the info that comes after a claim. Scum tend to quickhammer after a claim to appear town and not let the town discuss what the claim does for that person's alignment in our eyes, which is valuable info in some cases.
Why are we letting him slide on a vanilla claim? Unless someone else claims his name, then we can assume that's correct. But he claimed vanilla. Scum love claiming vanilla because you can't be CC'd on a vanilla claim, rolewise.
Vote skies. Barring any more necessary discussion, we've found our first scum. Let's end the day.
I feel the need to point out before you quick-lynch me just how hypocritical and scummy this is. Read the bold statements carefully. First, he says scum tend to want to quicklynch after a claim is made as vanilla.
He immediately suggests that we lynch me with only the minimal amount of "necessary discussion". In otherwords, he says something is scummy, and then immediately does just that. My credibility may be shot, but before I get the noose, I feel that should be pointed out for the record.
Unvote, Vote Kill-Joy.
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Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
We've talked about this enough. It doesn't jive with his later posts.
I'll stop looking at the awkward pseudo-flavor gaming of this post and look at why it was directed to Megiddo. Were you buddying with Atog to support his attacks on Meg?
Every time I read this it looks like less and less of a joke. If Atog is town, it looks like you're deflecting onto him; if Atog is scum, it looks like you're bussing him.
Why were you untrusting? Why did that lead you to vote Atog?
I've addressed this already but I still don't understand why you voted at all.
The coin flip still boggles my mind. If you were doing it for RVS, I wouldn't think twice about it. But you just said that you "didn't really get that everyone was random voting." Explain the coin flip.
It looks like you're trying to unravel the ties between you and Atog.
Oh, so now you figure that people were voting randomly? Yeah okay.
I still find it interesting that you responded to Megiddo directly, not the two together.
The Tordeck vote here is somewhere between ironic and hypocritical. You admit that you have no read on his alignment, then you move on to DS, who you have a better read on but won't vote, then vote Tordeck.
Also, your reads on other players are fluff.
How about you convince me that you're town and not that you're scum right now?
So yeah basically your vote was OMGUS. Tordeck summed it up in three words because it only needed three words.
More of the same.
I'd still like you to convince me that I should believe that option.
But this vote put him at L-1. He has a higher number of votes at this point than when you said you wouldn't vote for him originally. Why vote for him now?
That vote is such a non-sequitur after the rest of the post -- all I see is still an OMGUS vote. Even if Tordeck is tunneling you, I see no reason to consider him scum.
So Tordeck puts pressure on your wagon, you lash out at him; the pressure shifts to DS, you hop over to DS's wagon; the pressure comes off DS (Tordeck and I had unvoted him), you back off DS's wagon; Tordeck puts pressure back on you, you lash out at him again. I should have done this four days ago. Vote Cythare
I feel better about lynching Cythare than DS right now, but I'd like to see a better case on DS first (why is his claimed role so fishy?)
Also,
@Atog
It's been almost 72 hours since your last post. I don't like your lurking.