@Iso where did you say that? I like the ximbad wagon but I dont feel he's at the level to be taken to l-2.
@Tom, You must be lucky then.
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I'm not afraid to vote kpaca, I just think Ximbad is more likely scum.
Ximbad overreacted. On the other hand, kpaca contradicted himself, is not helping us, and makes a very anti-town post (and when questioned about it, shrugs it off).
Where is your reasoning for thinking Ximbad is more likely scum?
So if a player who was new to MTGS joined a game here, and acted like that (contradictory, bloodthirsty, anti-town) you wouldn't vote for him, because "you don't know how to read him"?
New people usually act similarly to each other. Kpaca has formed a personality and strategy in how he plays and acts. I would doubt a new player would be able to do that in their first game or two.
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Ximbad overreacted. On the other hand, kpaca contradicted himself, is not helping us, and makes a very anti-town post (and when questioned about it, shrugs it off).
Where is your reasoning for thinking Ximbad is more likely scum?
His responses to my deconstruction of his arguments are terrible. kpaca's meta says that he's going to continue to be unhelpful until something happens. So I'd rather push for someone more easily readable.
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New people usually act similarly to each other. Kpaca has formed a personality and strategy in how he plays and acts. I would doubt a new player would be able to do that in their first game or two.
While I agree meta lets some people get away with things, in the long run it helps town because other wise the same people would get lynched every game (which has happened to some people) for things that are just the way they act and play.
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You state that you've found 'issues with my play' a 'fistful of times'. So I went back to look at things!
That's nice. Why?
So, you have a terrible rap thing, and a claim that I am a very specific scum role (roleblocker). How do you even know that a roleblocker exists in this game? And that it is a scum role, as opposed to town? I've seen the role be both alignments, and not exist at all, before.
The accusation of fence-sitting and refusal to commit was interesting, though - so I went back to the post(s) I made prior to your statement.
My first post was an RVS vote on Ximbad. Completely random, just picked a name I had both not played with, or heard of before.
This was my second post, after Ximbad responded to the RVS vote, and Iso made his Neutral claim.
This was the post that you labeled 'fence-sitting' and 'reluctance to commit'.
Or was my 'reluctance to commit' based upon my RVS vote?
And while I agree with this statement, I also find it hilarious.
You do need to EXPLAIN IT and make people UNDERSTAND your reasoning.
You don't have a vote - yet, at least. That's fine. But it does not automatically make you town! You can't coast on your role. If you want to push the case on me, if I'm where your vote would reside, then actualy do so, rather than wave your hand ambiguously in my direction.
And if you can't do that, direct your attention to something more productive.
>Someone has made two posts in a game
>Comment on the one that wasn't from the RVS, point out that the entire contents of said post were "I dunno if I like their play, but don't want to lynch them," directed towards a half dozen people.
>Have someone ask where my vote WOULD be (which is a moot question; especially given that it was Iso who did so)
>Someone expects me to defend a pick for my vote that includes "Uhhh," and "if at all," on either side of the statement.
>Are you ****ing kidding me?
Hey guys, you do realize that I was the first one to point out that a conditional vote is not necessarily a clear?
Tell me I'm coasting on my role again. Seriously. Have you seen my posts? If I was "Coasting," then I wouldn't feel the need to post as frequently as possible, butt heads with several people, and actively work to reign in Iso, all of which I do at risk of being lynched. This isn't coasting, this is not having a vote, and finding myself playing babysitter to some psychotic townies (who, for all I know, may not be town).
Zelderex you're going to have to reformat the part of that post directed towards me if you want me to be able to respond to it.
You seriously mean to tell me that you can't respond to my post because the color codes were busted?
Are you ****ing kidding, Iso? Are you eight? Do I have to hold your hand? Deal with it. You very indignantly tried to dissect that particular paragraph, and then once I proved you were misrepresenting me (the catch-all word for 90% of this game), you back off and act like "Your formatting was ****ed up!" is an actual, valid defense.
I give my blessing to an Iso lynch: he's pretty actively obstructing the town at this point.
still want Iso lynched. he intentionally created a haze of stupid to distract us early game and is now backing it up with 'im iso guyz trust me'
which ftr is a crap reason.
Greymoon was the guy who claimed he can only vote No Lynch, right? You do know that he's in the same boat as me, regarding how confirmed he is? Scum wins when the town requires the consent of someone on the scum team to do anything. If the scum have enough people to force no lynches until they win, guess what?
The scum wins.
Greymoon or myself can both be scum based on our roles. I said that a while ago. Ask me for a quote, and my only response will be the cool2 smiley. Watch me.
Are you serious with this? How is what he did "intent on getting a townie modkilled"? You said you were an actor. He looked it up and saw that an actor is modkilled if he votes outside of hammering. He asked "What ****?" at that.
You're aware of this (Iso, don't deny it, you do do this) and yet still voting for him? Explain that, plox.
Yeah, but scum who can only hammer I can see.
Iso, don't be like that. One part being the wrong color does not make it unable to be responded to.
Please do so before he reformats, or I will be highly disappointed in you.
I'll not allow him to be lynched for this. Lynching him for acting like he always does is a crap reason, just like lynching kpaca for being obtuse or lynching me for being a ***** would be.
You're trying to tell me that it's cool for Iso to obstruct town, because he tries the same crazy in every game. You wanna know what I was told in my first game on MTGS (Cyberpunk), when I was thoroughly horrible?
"If you play like **** every game, you will get lynched every game."
It actually fell to Iso to defend me (and I rightly called that he only did it because he was scum), though I can see why. He likes coasting off having a meta of insanity; but when crazy becomes a problem, we cut that **** out.
Also, I think you ask me about my vote at some point. You then later say that a hammer-only role could be scum. Do you realize how stupid it is to point out that my role lacks a vote in the same post where you ask why my vote is on someone?
Regarding my role:
Seriously. Either of the conditional voters can be scum. Either of us could contribute to the scum win-condition. Stop telling me I'm scum because you sort of disagree with me sometimes, and because my role COULD be scum. Notice, I'm not the voteless player who's coasting. Greymoon is posting once in a...well, grey moon. If I am mistaken about him claiming to only have a "No Lynch," vote, correct me, because that's how I read his claim.
>Comment on the one that wasn't from the RVS, point out that the entire contents of said post were "I dunno if I like their play, but don't want to lynch them," directed towards a half dozen people.
This is either you remembering incorrectly or not having read it in the first place.
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Anything to add? ajust throwing that out there? How is that helping? Do I care?
Nothing to add, really. Wanted to see what kind of reaction there would be, if any, to a RVS vote.
I'd maybe classify this as an overreaction, so that's interesting.
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Hi! I am 2pac, Neutral Ghost. I came back to life to support Odd Future because I like their flow, but I lose the game if the town hasn't won by Day 3
I don't want to lynch you, at least not day one.
But I do want you dead.
I won't direct a possible vig, but I'd imagine they have to be considering you a prime target before lylo.
This is the post you spoke of.
My vote was already on Ximbad - I stated that I found his response to be an overreaction, and kept my vote there. It's still there, even!
The part directed at Iso was because he had claimed neutral, and I did not realize there were no neutrals in this game, so I wanted him dead at the time. I did not want to lynch him though, because lynching a neutral claim is stupid - you gain no information from the lynch wagon, because both factions will happily go along with it.
What I quoted initially from you is a horrible misrepresentation of what I had said - I mentioned two people (not a half dozen), and I wanted them both dead - Ximbad lynched, and Iso vigged.
That has changed by this point - because I no longer want Iso dead. I don't care for his play this game overly much, but he is not aligned with the two people I strongly believe are scum.
VOTE FOR ISO. HE IS EXHIBITING SCUMMY BEHAVIOR AND ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN LOGIC YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR ISO.
Jesus.
I'm quite happy with my vote where it is, thanks.
I think Ximbad is scum, I think Kpaca is scum, and I think you have a pretty good chance of being scum as well!
While Iso's play has not been great in a vacuum, reads don't exist in a vacuum - he is not aligned with the people I feel are scum, and lynching him is not something I'm interested in right now.
If Ximbad/Kpaca end up being town, that will probably change. But I don't really anticipate that being the case.
I think Ximbad is scum, I think Kpaca is scum, and I think you have a pretty good chance of being scum as well!
While Iso's play has not been great in a vacuum, reads don't exist in a vacuum - he is not aligned with the people I feel are scum, and lynching him is not something I'm interested in right now.
If Ximbad/Kpaca end up being town, that will probably change. But I don't really anticipate that being the case.
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There are two people that are exhibiting scummy behavior that can be explained away by meta - Iso and Kpaca.
These two players are not knowingly aligned, due to the interactions between them.
I think Kpaca is more likely to be scum than Iso.
Therefore I am not going to vote to lynch Iso.
I think Ximbad is more likely scum than either of them.
Therefore I am voting Ximbad.
Do I need to break the logic down any more for you?
Read the two posts I quoted and tell me why you're wrong. If you can't figure it out, I'm sure I can be just as abrasive as you when breaking down the logic behind the decisions.
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I'm not wrong. Or rather, I may be wrong about the alignment of the players in question, but there is nothing wrong with the logic I'm using, based on my current reads.
I don't think Iso's behavior this game is as scummy as you apparently do. There is enough there that I would be willing to pursue it in some games, but there are people in direct opposition to him that I find to be far scummier.
Okay, Uncle Yanni's going to sit you down and let you understand why you are being illogical.
Here's what you said,
Not killing someone for exhibiting scummy behavior due to meta is stupid.
then you said this.
There are two people that are exhibiting scummy behavior that can be explained away by meta - Iso and Kpaca.
So, kpaca and iso are exhbiting scummy behavior in your opinion, therefore you should be voting for one of them, irregardless of their meta based on your previous statements. You never say in your post that Ximbad is exhibiting scummy behavior, just that he is more likely to be scum. It's interesting that you're using that word choice, but you're directly contradicting yourself.
tl:dr "HI GUYZ, MY NAME IZ VOXX. META IS BAD. IF PEOPLEZ ARE BEING SCUMMY DEN WE LYNCH DEM EVEN DOUH DER META SAYZ ITZ DEY ARNT. KPACA AND IZO ARE BING SCUMMY, BUT DER META SAYS DAT DEY ARTN< SO LET'S LYNCH XIMBDA AND SMEAR YANNI AMIRITE?"
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This is either you remembering incorrectly or not having read it in the first place.
This is the post you spoke of.
My vote was already on Ximbad - I stated that I found his response to be an overreaction, and kept my vote there. It's still there, even!
The part directed at Iso was because he had claimed neutral, and I did not realize there were no neutrals in this game, so I wanted him dead at the time. I did not want to lynch him though, because lynching a neutral claim is stupid - you gain no information from the lynch wagon, because both factions will happily go along with it.
What I quoted initially from you is a horrible misrepresentation of what I had said - I mentioned two people (not a half dozen), and I wanted them both dead - Ximbad lynched, and Iso vigged.
That has changed by this point - because I no longer want Iso dead. I don't care for his play this game overly much, but he is not aligned with the two people I strongly believe are scum.
I think Ximbad is scum, I think Kpaca is scum, and I think you have a pretty good chance of being scum as well!
While Iso's play has not been great in a vacuum, reads don't exist in a vacuum - he is not aligned with the people I feel are scum, and lynching him is not something I'm interested in right now.
If Ximbad/Kpaca end up being town, that will probably change. But I don't really anticipate that being the case.
If Iso is not aligned with people you think are scum, this means jack-****ing ****. Iso can still be scum. They could be distancing, or busing, or you could be wrong and only Iso is scum, or maybe only one of the two (Ximbad/Kpaca) are scum, etc etc. You're deliberately discounting one scenario because you feel it can't co-exist with yours; which is a fundamentally wrong way of thinking.
There are two people that are exhibiting scummy behavior that can be explained away by meta - Iso and Kpaca.
These two players are not knowingly aligned, due to the interactions between them.
I think Kpaca is more likely to be scum than Iso.
Therefore I am not going to vote to lynch Iso.
I think Ximbad is more likely scum than either of them.
Therefore I am voting Ximbad.
Do I need to break the logic down any more for you?
So wait, is meta important or unimportant when deciding a lynch?
What did Ximbad do?
How is it impossible for Iso and Kpaca to be scum?
How can you ignore Iso's play, handwaving everything being said about him as, "part of his meta?"
Your arguments come from an inherently wrong set of fallacies, and though you argue logically, your logic is wrong.
I need you to explain why you want to lynch Ximbad, why you think Iso can't be scum- WITHOUT using meta (if it takes meta to look town, he's coasting), and why you think Kpaca is more likely to be scum than Iso.
@Vox. Because all scum buddy up and protect each other right? Iso in particular distanced himself from scum in what I remember from amnesia (Iron I know). It is advantageous to mafia to seem to be of different agendas.
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Hey guys, you do realize that I was the first one to point out that a conditional vote is not necessarily a clear?
Yeah, how convenient. "Hey guys, I have a conditional vote, but I could still be scum!!!" Then later on that opens you up to WIFOM statements such as "C'mon guys, I'm not scum, I pointed out that I could be earlier so why would I do that if I were scum?!"
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You seriously mean to tell me that you can't respond to my post because the color codes were busted?
Are you ****ing kidding, Iso? Are you eight? Do I have to hold your hand? Deal with it. You very indignantly tried to dissect that particular paragraph, and then once I proved you were misrepresenting me (the catch-all word for 90% of this game), you back off and act like "Your formatting was ****ed up!" is an actual, valid defense.
Simmer down junior, do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Seriously it is a game, and while that might have been a stretch I couldn't read your color-by-numbers post either.
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I give my blessing to an Iso lynch: he's pretty actively obstructing the town at this point.
OMGUS.
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Greymoon was the guy who claimed he can only vote No Lynch, right? You do know that he's in the same boat as me, regarding how confirmed he is? Scum wins when the town requires the consent of someone on the scum team to do anything. If the scum have enough people to force no lynches until they win, guess what?
First of all its GREYMON. One 'O'. Secondly, your argument is a stretch. You can hammer somebody AND hide behind the Actor role claim "c'mon guys, I can ONLY hammer, I didn't actually quickhammer!"
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Greymoon or myself can both be scum based on our roles. I said that a while ago. Ask me for a quote, and my only response will be the cool2 smiley. Watch me.
WIFOM. Greymoon and you can both be town because of them too.
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Regarding my role:
Seriously. Either of the conditional voters can be scum. Either of us could contribute to the scum win-condition. Stop telling me I'm scum because you sort of disagree with me sometimes, and because my role COULD be scum. Notice, I'm not the voteless player who's coasting. Greymoon is posting once in a...well, grey moon. If I am mistaken about him claiming to only have a "No Lynch," vote, correct me, because that's how I read his claim.
Joke doesn't work, my name is GREYMON. Like the digimon, ROOOAR. Nice try though
Oh, and I have a life sir. I have a job, a gf, and do things off of the computer. I try to post at least once a day, and have you forgotten that I don't have a damn vote? I have to rely on my ability to persuade a bunch of people who clearly have anger issues on who I feel is scum, but I can't even vote for them. It's like constantly being horny but you don't have the required parts to do anything about it. And posting once in a blue grey moon is better than going off everytime someone mentions your name.
*greymon unzips his pants and points a big fat.....FOS at Zeld
ITT Zelderex OMGUSes and Yanni continues to do nothing.
You're STILL dodging every question thrown at you. Still. You've now done everything in your power to handwave, so fine, I'll be perfectly clear:
Iso has refused to re-state his argument on lynching...that one guy, who's probably posted.
Iso has refused to defend his accusations against me, on a mixture of grounds that include: blatantly ignoring my responses, broken color codes, and so-called "OMGUS."
Iso has basically stopped playing, in favor of trying to convince people that every other active player is useless, and that he's the only person worth listening to.
His play is a joke, and that's why I stand by my position: he's not directly benefiting the town, so he's gotta die.
Yeah, how convenient. "Hey guys, I have a conditional vote, but I could still be scum!!!" Then later on that opens you up to WIFOM statements such as "C'mon guys, I'm not scum, I pointed out that I could be earlier so why would I do that if I were scum?!"
Simmer down junior, do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Seriously it is a game, and while that might have been a stretch I couldn't read your color-by-numbers post either.
OMGUS.
First of all its GREYMON. One 'O'. Secondly, your argument is a stretch. You can hammer somebody AND hide behind the Actor role claim "c'mon guys, I can ONLY hammer, I didn't actually quickhammer!"
WIFOM. Greymoon and you can both be town because of them too.
Joke doesn't work, my name is GREYMON. Like the digimon, ROOOAR. Nice try though
Oh, and I have a life sir. I have a job, a gf, and do things off of the computer. I try to post at least once a day, and have you forgotten that I don't have a damn vote? I have to rely on my ability to persuade a bunch of people who clearly have anger issues on who I feel is scum, but I can't even vote for them. It's like constantly being horny but you don't have the required parts to do anything about it. And posting once in a blue grey moon is better than going off everytime someone mentions your name.
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Thank you, and good night.
1.) You blatantly and intentionally misrepresent me, for no good reason. You seem almost offended by the idea that your role doesn't auto-clear you, and suddenly it's scummy for me to be honest with the town? Neither of our roles are inherently alignment confirmed, and if anything, it'd make more sense for one of us to be scum (since it would balance out, one less vote on either team to avoid a serious shift, but they both still count towards their teams win-con). You're WIFOMing about WIFOM about whether or not I'm intentionally WIFOMing. Could you stop? You're accusing me of arguments that I have not, and never will make. Please, stick to facts, not potential facts that you half-expect to happen.
2.) Really? I dissected the sentence in thirds, which was clear by the colors of the actual sentence. And then I went over it respectively, which should have been obvious.
3.) Nice job, quoting Iso about it being OMGUS
What you and Iso both fail to do, is address the reasoning behind my posts, much less even acknowledge that I made the post. I also notice that you guys are becoming less and less trusting of me the more pressure I put on you.
4.) Do I look like I ****ing quickhammer?
Iso's played now, three or so games with me. I've never quickhammered.
I've never quickhammered as scum, or as town, or as neutral (never been neutral on a forum, actually). It's not something anyone who's smart DOES. It's too scummy for scum, and it's too stupid for town.
5.) WIFOM? What? I pointed out that neither of us are clear. That's not WIFOM. That's a fact. Either of us has the capacity to be scum, or town. You tried playing some semantics argument about how I might've said that we're both scum because of our roles, but the opposite applies, really. If we're both on either team, then that team is down at least a vote (since we can't vote on the same wagon), and usually, down two. It's much more likely in my eyes that one of us is scum, simply because it would balance out that there's a limited voter on either team.
6.) You're trying to dismiss my argument based off Semantics. Not scummy, just stupid. And a little arrogant.
7.) I lol'd. I have **** too. We all have **** we have to do, we post when we can. But your posts are not only infrequent, they don't tend to do much. For example, you dedicated your one post for the day to defending yourself and Iso. Doing nothing but defend yourself is scummy, bruh. And besides that, you use your "Lack of a Vote," as an excuse. (Did you, or did you not, claim to have a "No Lynch," vote? I recall that was what you claimed, and have asked repeatedly to be corrected if I'm wrong.) I don't have any sort of significant vote either. I have to persuade people with nothing but my words. And guess what? I don't do it by buddying up to another player and playing at semantic arguments.
Activity=Pro Town. Period. More posts, or at least posts with more content, are always better for town. They give the town more information about your alignment, and they help townies get their point across and gain information. Even if I'm flying off the cuff, I'm still playing more or less pro-town (unless anyone other than Iso and his butt buddy mean to tell me that I'm an OMGUSing WIFOM machine who exists to do nothing but swear and break code?), which is not something you've addressed. Neither you, nor Iso, can show that I'm anti-town in any way. Iso won't even defend himself in a way that can actually be argued, which is purely obstructionist.
End of the post, he makes a spiritual vote for me. Woo. Notice how he went from being fairly chill, to defending himself and Iso by attacking me.
Tl;Dr: Iso is rapidly melting down, which is, by his own admission, a scum tell. He's simply stopped defending himself, rather he's riding his status to try and get away with one sentence responses.
Greymoon escalated very rapidly into thinking I'm outright scum, all because I think Iso is scum and because I don't think either of us are cleared.
There's nothing illogical about it.
There are two people that are exhibiting scummy behavior that can be explained away by meta - Iso and Kpaca.
These two players are not knowingly aligned, due to the interactions between them.
I think Kpaca is more likely to be scum than Iso.
Therefore I am not going to vote to lynch Iso.
I think Ximbad is more likely scum than either of them.
Therefore I am voting Ximbad.
Do I need to break the logic down any more for you?
kpaca and iso could both be scum, it's not hard to imagine. In fact if Iso is scum (which I think there is a good chance of), then you would be more town, not less.
Stop me if I start making sense. I'm town, you're town, and Iso is scum. You start a bandwagon on me that manders metoos. At this point if he manages to get me lynched he's got you and manders to absorb the blame and maybe get lynched tomorrow.
The only reason people are voting for me is because of some new tell that was discovered after I stopped playing mafia, but is able to peg scum with 100% certainty day one? One that mostly involes me asking Voxx to add something to the game.
If I was scum with kpaca and Iso was town I'd never join that wagon. I'd push for one of the vote restrictions or something like that. One has to be scum, right? If one was scum I'd make up some awful reason to lynch him that seems somewhat coherent. That's all it takes ITT to be taken seriously. Later if one of us was killed the other would be ''confirmed" town.
Drastic overreaction to a simple RVS vote, trying to dismiss it off as a gambit, over-defensiveness, jittery, not actually doing anything useful other than flail around.
At what point did "maybe overreaction" turn into "drastic overreaction"?
@ iso: what could I possibly say to counter your soulread?
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And Zelderex continues to spew lies into the thread. I'll answer your questions when you deflate your head a bit, buddy. (Not that I'm one to talk, but :shrug:)
Ximbad, you could explain why you felt the need to say the whole bit about "do I care? no" or whatever it was that set me on to you. And we can go from there.
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Ximbad, you could explain why you felt the need to say the whole bit about "do I care? no" or whatever it was that set me on to you. And we can go from there.
I asked him to elaborate, but his vote was almost certainly random. I don't think he should clutter the thread with pointless posts that don't even attempt to add anything. But I don't really care that much, and I didn't feel that a response was necessarily called for. By saying "Do I care?" I was down-playing the amount I was calling him out and leaving him open to just ignoring me if he didn't have anything to add (he didn't, by the way).
Or you could beleive your story and I said that because . . . what's your story again?
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it's irrelevant how iso has acted in the past because he's hazing this game, which is a problem and anti-town which brings me to the conclusion that iso's scum.
if reya was talking about kpain, can we stop using pronouns when talking in this game? don't need more haze than iso is providing alreayd.
Hazing how? Explain what you mean in your own words, please.
I'm voting for Ximbad. Was the first vote on him, back in RVS. I was pretty happy with my vote being where it was after his reaction, which is why you haven't seen me place another one.
Gotcha.
It isn't fence sitting - I initially wanted Iso dead for the neutral claim, because I want all neutral claims dead - if they're being serious. When you pointed out that there could be no neutrals in the game, I moved it back to being a null tell, as it was a joke in RVS. It's that simple.
Hey guys, you do realize that I was the first one to point out that a conditional vote is not necessarily a clear?
Hey, guy, you do realize this means jack ****, right?
I give my blessing to an Iso lynch: he's pretty actively obstructing the town at this point.
His refusal to work around the formatting error is pretty bad, I'll agree.
You're trying to tell me that it's cool for Iso to obstruct town, because he tries the same crazy in every game. You wanna know what I was told in my first game on MTGS (Cyberpunk), when I was thoroughly horrible?
"If you play like **** every game, you will get lynched every game."
Well, I wasn't in that game, was I?
Also, that's an incorrect statement and whoever said it is a liar or a fool. Plenty of players play like **** every game but don't get lynched.
Also, I think you ask me about my vote at some point. You then later say that a hammer-only role could be scum. Do you realize how stupid it is to point out that my role lacks a vote in the same post where you ask why my vote is on someone?
I'm pretty certain I never asked you about your vote.
tl:dr "HI GUYZ, MY NAME IZ VOXX. META IS BAD. IF PEOPLEZ ARE BEING SCUMMY DEN WE LYNCH DEM EVEN DOUH DER META SAYZ ITZ DEY ARNT. KPACA AND IZO ARE BING SCUMMY, BUT DER META SAYS DAT DEY ARTN< SO LET'S LYNCH XIMBDA AND SMEAR YANNI AMIRITE?"
Smear you how, exactly?
And stop being so condescending. It's clouding my judgement.
I asked him to elaborate, but his vote was almost certainly random. I don't think he should clutter the thread with pointless posts that don't even attempt to add anything. But I don't really care that much, and I didn't feel that a response was necessarily called for. By saying "Do I care?" I was down-playing the amount I was calling him out and leaving him open to just ignoring me if he didn't have anything to add (he didn't, by the way).
Or you could beleive your story and I said that because . . . what's your story again?
Clutter the thread? He made a random vote in RVS. You overreacted to it. You continue to do so while dismissing most of what is said against you.
Hazing is probably the wrong word. Iso was creating unneeded distraction by making a bogus and stupid false claim. Only a one thing can come from that, people making a big deal about it. This is wasting our time because Iso did something anti town.
Voxx had 0 mention of me possibly being scum until I went after him for being illogical. Then he started going "no yannis scum tooo"
but he doesn't have enough balls to vote for me, so it's an obvious smear tatic.
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Iso has refused to re-state his argument on lynching...that one guy, who's probably posted.
If you had bothered reading my posts instead of looking for every possible way you could smear me because I didn't want to respond to your post immediately, you would know that the above quote is not true.
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If no one seems to have understood your point, how does it make sense?
If no one understood my point, why would there have been 4 votes on Ximbad at a certain point?
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I was referring to the wagoners who followed your vote no questions asked, you indignant bastard.
They read my post. Why do they need to ask me what I meant?
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You need to understand: people need to hear and UNDERSTAND your reasoning.
I did.
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You have to EXPLAIN IT. You can't say "I'm Iso, I'm pretty good at this game, he's my scum read, lynch him."
Why aren't you harping on kpaca for the same reason?
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There's marked improvement from game to game with me- the question is if you're pulling a 'Lil Wayne, and getting outright lazy the second you start getting recognition.
Is it not a double standard for you to not read my posts yet accuse me of being lazy and not explaining myself in the same breath?
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For the third, fourth time Iso, this time with two pleases: please, explain your reasons for wanting to lynch that-one-dude-who-has-posted-like-twice, please.
Better?
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Iso has refused to defend his accusations against me, on a mixture of grounds that include: blatantly ignoring my responses, broken color codes, and so-called "OMGUS."
FTR, I wasn't accusing you of OMGUSing ME.
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Iso has basically stopped playing, in favor of trying to convince people that every other active player is useless, and that he's the only person worth listening to.
I must have missed where I even suggested that every other active player is useless and that I'm the only person worth listening to. Please find quotes?
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His play is a joke, and that's why I stand by my position: he's not directly benefiting the town, so he's gotta die.
So again, I'm gonna have to ask: Why aren't you calling kpaca out on this?
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I also notice that you guys are becoming less and less trusting of me the more pressure I put on you.
On Day 1, I typically only trust players who are acting like townies. Currently, you are acting like a townie, albeit a bull-headed one.
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4.) Do I look like I ****ing quickhammer?
Iso's played now, three or so games with me. I've never quickhammered.
I've never quickhammered as scum, or as town, or as neutral (never been neutral on a forum, actually). It's not something anyone who's smart DOES. It's too scummy for scum, and it's too stupid for town.
Disney Mafia, Werewolf Mafia, and Cyberpunk, right? I don't remember you quickhammering off the top of my head in any of those games.
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Neither you, nor Iso, can show that I'm anti-town in any way.
1. Why are you tying me to greymon?
2. The only thing remotely anti-town about your play thus far is your refusal to read (which has led to smearing), and that's typically a null tell anyway.
I asked him to elaborate, but his vote was almost certainly random. I don't think he should clutter the thread with pointless posts that don't even attempt to add anything. But I don't really care that much, and I didn't feel that a response was necessarily called for. By saying "Do I care?" I was down-playing the amount I was calling him out and leaving him open to just ignoring me if he didn't have anything to add (he didn't, by the way).
Or you could beleive your story and I said that because . . . what's your story again?
So...you thought his random vote, in the random voting stage, was clutter, which you consider scummy (as you have called me out for my number of posts vs. content ratio), so you called him out for it, "downplayed the amount you were calling him out" (which I don't understand why you'd do if you thought his action was legitimately scummy, and you have stated that you do consider cluttering posts to be scummy) and when he didn't respond with any sustenance, you...back off? And I shouldn't be continuing to vote you for this weak self-contradiction of a response?
Iso was creating unneeded distraction by making a bogus and stupid false claim. Only a one thing can come from that, people making a big deal about it. This is wasting our time because Iso did something anti town.
I'm not sure what part of "RVS" is so difficult for you people to comprehend. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the name, "random voting stage", implies that people are to behave "randomly", or from my experience, in a manner that the player perceives as enjoyable or humorous, correct? So if I make a Neutral falseclaim in a game where there are no Neutrals, how is that anything more than a stupid joke? You have never called out a player in the RVS for making a joke before, so what made you decide to do it this time? Why would people make a big deal about something that was so painfully obviously not true if anyone had actually read the OP? How is it anti-town of me to do this when I did not encourage or even suggest for people to dwell on my claim? How is it anti-town of me to (even unintentionally) spur discussion that got us out of the RVS?
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it's anti town of you because if you're distracting us.
yours
you're doing like nothing.
I'm not calling you out for making a joke, I'm calling you out for distracting us which is something only scum would do.
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it's anti town of you because if you're distracting us.
"distracting us"
Well, two problems with that statement.
1. You and kpaca are the only ones who seem to care, currently, that I made a Neutral falseclaim in the RVS in my first post of the game.
2. It's only a distraction to you because you keep harping on it.
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yours
I have no idea what this is responding to.
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you're doing like nothing.
Funny, coming from the guy with no content to his posts.
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I'm not calling you out for making a joke, I'm calling you out for distracting us which is something only scum would do.
It's the RVS. How is it distracting unless you continually harp on it? I'm not repeatedly saying, "EVERYONE, GO LOOK AT MY FALSECLAIM!" I'm not even trying to dominate discussion, here! What in the hell are you talking about?
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So...you thought his random vote, in the random voting stage, was clutter, which you consider scummy (as you have called me out for my number of posts vs. content ratio), so you called him out for it, "downplayed the amount you were calling him out" (which I don't understand why you'd do if you thought his action was legitimately scummy, and you have stated that you do consider cluttering posts to be scummy) and when he didn't respond with any sustenance, you...back off? And I shouldn't be continuing to vote you for this weak self-contradiction of a response?
It wasn't scummy, but it was pointless.
If you look I threw my vote at him when he said I was overreacting. At this point at least someone who is town agrees that I was overreacting, so I'm willing to admit that his observation wasn't completely bull****. Manders, Iso, Voxxicus scum team? Not likely.
You've been posting a lot of words, but not a lot of content. That's very much so not the same at all. Seriously, everyone look over Iso's posts and tell me he's been adding to the arguments for anything. Now that you've been called on it you've managed to get a good nights sleep, allowing you to make a post with substance.
You're making excuses for not posting before (an actual scum tell) and only added to the conversation when you were called out for not adding to the conversation. You are in the mafia.
I'd push for one of the vote restrictions or something like that. One has to be scum, right?
1. You're pulling a quote where I explain what a good mafia tactic would be.
2. The town losing two votes means that actual everyone in the entire town needs to be convinced that one person need to be lynched. Nine town seven to lynch, right? That would suck. This line of thinking isn't going anywhere, so there is no reason to pursue it while there are better targets.
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Now that you've been called on it you've managed to get a good nights sleep, allowing you to make a post with substance.
My post style has not changed.
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You're making excuses for not posting before (an actual scum tell) and only added to the conversation when you were called out for not adding to the conversation. You are in the mafia.
I added everything I needed to add. I want you to be toDay's lynch. Period. If I'm scum because I want you dead and am watching everything else unfold while calling out Zeld's and Yanni's bs, then okay. Can't argue with that. (By the way, that's sarcasm.)
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The town losing two votes means that actual everyone in the entire town needs to be convinced that one person need to be lynched. Nine town seven to lynch, right? That would suck. This line of thinking isn't going anywhere, so there is no reason to pursue it while there are better targets.
Then, let me ask you: Which of them do you think is more likely to be scum?
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Then, let me ask you: Which of them do you think is more likely to be scum?
This line of thinking isn't going anywhere, so there is no reason to pursue it while there are better targets.
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And Zelderex continues to spew lies into the thread. I'll answer your questions when you deflate your head a bit, buddy. (Not that I'm one to talk, but :shrug:)
Ximbad, you could explain why you felt the need to say the whole bit about "do I care? no" or whatever it was that set me on to you. And we can go from there.
He almost defend himself. But instead, he goes ahead and tries to discredit me instead. Another post that counts against him.
Hey, guy, you do realize this means jack ****, right?
Well, I wasn't in that game, was I?
Also, that's an incorrect statement and whoever said it is a liar or a fool. Plenty of players play like **** every game but don't get lynched.
I'm pretty certain I never asked you about your vote.
1.) It was in reaction to three people bringing up that my role doesn't clear me, one of whom called it scummy that I had been, quote, "Riding my claim." The purpose of that statement should be pretty clear (though I guess I could just be belligerently stating facts for the hell of it).
2.) You were, I think. I don't remember who was in it too well, I remember the highlights of the first two days, my 100% vig accuracy, and getting vigged by the other Vig on N2. Anyway, it was Cyan who said it, which is probably why I've taken it to heart.
3.) You mentioned that my vote was on Iso, or said something to the effect of, "How bout that vote on Iso?" It was a bit of a vague phrasing, I guess? Misunderstandings happen.
Now that I'm not horrendously busy and exhausted, I can respond to this headache of a self-righteous post.
I will direct you to the quote that I directed Reya to in post #202:
If you had bothered reading my posts instead of looking for every possible way you could smear me because I didn't want to respond to your post immediately, you would know that the above quote is not true.
If no one understood my point, why would there have been 4 votes on Ximbad at a certain point?
They read my post. Why do they need to ask me what I meant?
Why aren't you harping on kpaca for the same reason?
Is it not a double standard for you to not read my posts yet accuse me of being lazy and not explaining myself in the same breath?
FTR, I wasn't accusing you of OMGUSing ME.
I must have missed where I even suggested that every other active player is useless and that I'm the only person worth listening to. Please find quotes?
So again, I'm gonna have to ask: Why aren't you calling kpaca out on this?
On Day 1, I typically only trust players who are acting like townies. Currently, you are acting like a townie, albeit a bull-headed one.
Disney Mafia, Werewolf Mafia, and Cyberpunk, right? I don't remember you quickhammering off the top of my head in any of those games.
1. Why are you tying me to greymon?
2. The only thing remotely anti-town about your play thus far is your refusal to read (which has led to smearing), and that's typically a null tell anyway.
Quotes, please.
Let's see, sort of a chaotic collection of response:
You accused me of OMGUS, which I cited, and then you said that you didn't accuse me of OMGUSing you. I never said you accused me of OMGUSing you, so factually speaking, this is the dumbest line of thought you've ever pursued, and I'm including RVS in this list.
I stated repeatedly that your reasoning was unclear, hence why I kept asking you to re-state it in a way that's more persuasive. It shouldn't require prodding by every other player to get you to re-state an argument against your #1 scum-read.
Kpaca isn't being excessively defensive and refusing to follow extremely simple requests, so I'm not giving him crap on his play. He's being weird, but generally productive, which is usually what you do. Not so, this game.
Can't provide quotes, it was a Colo game. I believe Werewolf, though it could have been one of the bastards. Or maybe it was Seppel who said that he melts down. You do your best to emulate him anyway, and I've seen you meltdown pretty hard, so I'll drop the "By his own admission," part and just say it:
Iso tends to melt down when caught as scum.
You've brought up the Ximbad voters repeatedly, and every time, I've pointed out that their activity has all been low. Bandwagoners are only mostly people.
Iso finally decides he wants to play, does an almost decent job of it. Much too little, much too late.
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1. You and kpaca are the only ones who seem to care, currently, that I made a Neutral falseclaim in the RVS in my first post of the game.
2. It's only a distraction to you because you keep harping on it.
I have no idea what this is responding to.
Funny, coming from the guy with no content to his posts.
It's the RVS. How is it distracting unless you continually harp on it? I'm not repeatedly saying, "EVERYONE, GO LOOK AT MY FALSECLAIM!" I'm not even trying to dominate discussion, here! What in the hell are you talking about?
lol u srs?
no content in posts
all you're doing is ad homming and ignoring zeld.
If you didn't make the false claim, then it wouldn't have been distracting.
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I'm not afraid to vote kpaca, I just think Ximbad is more likely scum.
I'll go dig it up.
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Ximbad overreacted. On the other hand, kpaca contradicted himself, is not helping us, and makes a very anti-town post (and when questioned about it, shrugs it off).
Where is your reasoning for thinking Ximbad is more likely scum?
So if a player who was new to MTGS joined a game here, and acted like that (contradictory, bloodthirsty, anti-town) you wouldn't vote for him, because "you don't know how to read him"?
Interesting.
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His responses to my deconstruction of his arguments are terrible. kpaca's meta says that he's going to continue to be unhelpful until something happens. So I'd rather push for someone more easily readable.
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Not killing someone for exhibiting scummy behavior due to meta is stupid.
But with that said, I'd still rather lynch Ximbad over Kpaca. Today, at least.
But I want them both dead.
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Note that I said new to MTGS, not new to mafia.
Fair enough.
I agree.
Why?
Because I think Ximbad is slightly more likely to be scum of the two.
It's possible (if unlikely) that Kpaca is just unhelpful, tunneling, and borderline trolling town.
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>Someone has made two posts in a game
>Comment on the one that wasn't from the RVS, point out that the entire contents of said post were "I dunno if I like their play, but don't want to lynch them," directed towards a half dozen people.
>Have someone ask where my vote WOULD be (which is a moot question; especially given that it was Iso who did so)
>Someone expects me to defend a pick for my vote that includes "Uhhh," and "if at all," on either side of the statement.
>Are you ****ing kidding me?
Hey guys, you do realize that I was the first one to point out that a conditional vote is not necessarily a clear?
Tell me I'm coasting on my role again. Seriously. Have you seen my posts? If I was "Coasting," then I wouldn't feel the need to post as frequently as possible, butt heads with several people, and actively work to reign in Iso, all of which I do at risk of being lynched. This isn't coasting, this is not having a vote, and finding myself playing babysitter to some psychotic townies (who, for all I know, may not be town).
You seriously mean to tell me that you can't respond to my post because the color codes were busted?
Are you ****ing kidding, Iso? Are you eight? Do I have to hold your hand? Deal with it. You very indignantly tried to dissect that particular paragraph, and then once I proved you were misrepresenting me (the catch-all word for 90% of this game), you back off and act like "Your formatting was ****ed up!" is an actual, valid defense.
I give my blessing to an Iso lynch: he's pretty actively obstructing the town at this point.
Greymoon was the guy who claimed he can only vote No Lynch, right? You do know that he's in the same boat as me, regarding how confirmed he is? Scum wins when the town requires the consent of someone on the scum team to do anything. If the scum have enough people to force no lynches until they win, guess what?
The scum wins.
Greymoon or myself can both be scum based on our roles. I said that a while ago. Ask me for a quote, and my only response will be the cool2 smiley. Watch me.
You're trying to tell me that it's cool for Iso to obstruct town, because he tries the same crazy in every game. You wanna know what I was told in my first game on MTGS (Cyberpunk), when I was thoroughly horrible?
"If you play like **** every game, you will get lynched every game."
It actually fell to Iso to defend me (and I rightly called that he only did it because he was scum), though I can see why. He likes coasting off having a meta of insanity; but when crazy becomes a problem, we cut that **** out.
Also, I think you ask me about my vote at some point. You then later say that a hammer-only role could be scum. Do you realize how stupid it is to point out that my role lacks a vote in the same post where you ask why my vote is on someone?
Regarding my role:
Seriously. Either of the conditional voters can be scum. Either of us could contribute to the scum win-condition. Stop telling me I'm scum because you sort of disagree with me sometimes, and because my role COULD be scum. Notice, I'm not the voteless player who's coasting. Greymoon is posting once in a...well, grey moon. If I am mistaken about him claiming to only have a "No Lynch," vote, correct me, because that's how I read his claim.
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Are you kidding me?
"Not killing someone for exhibiting scummy behavior due to meta is stupid."
VOTE FOR ISO. HE IS EXHIBITING SCUMMY BEHAVIOR AND ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN LOGIC YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR ISO.
Jesus.
how did you guys even drum up such a **** wagon on ximbad and kpaca?
it's like iso is successfully hearding cats.
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This is either you remembering incorrectly or not having read it in the first place.
This is the post you spoke of.
My vote was already on Ximbad - I stated that I found his response to be an overreaction, and kept my vote there. It's still there, even!
The part directed at Iso was because he had claimed neutral, and I did not realize there were no neutrals in this game, so I wanted him dead at the time. I did not want to lynch him though, because lynching a neutral claim is stupid - you gain no information from the lynch wagon, because both factions will happily go along with it.
What I quoted initially from you is a horrible misrepresentation of what I had said - I mentioned two people (not a half dozen), and I wanted them both dead - Ximbad lynched, and Iso vigged.
That has changed by this point - because I no longer want Iso dead. I don't care for his play this game overly much, but he is not aligned with the two people I strongly believe are scum.
I'm quite happy with my vote where it is, thanks.
I think Ximbad is scum, I think Kpaca is scum, and I think you have a pretty good chance of being scum as well!
While Iso's play has not been great in a vacuum, reads don't exist in a vacuum - he is not aligned with the people I feel are scum, and lynching him is not something I'm interested in right now.
If Ximbad/Kpaca end up being town, that will probably change. But I don't really anticipate that being the case.
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There are two people that are exhibiting scummy behavior that can be explained away by meta - Iso and Kpaca.
These two players are not knowingly aligned, due to the interactions between them.
I think Kpaca is more likely to be scum than Iso.
Therefore I am not going to vote to lynch Iso.
I think Ximbad is more likely scum than either of them.
Therefore I am voting Ximbad.
Do I need to break the logic down any more for you?
Read the two posts I quoted and tell me why you're wrong. If you can't figure it out, I'm sure I can be just as abrasive as you when breaking down the logic behind the decisions.
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I don't think Iso's behavior this game is as scummy as you apparently do. There is enough there that I would be willing to pursue it in some games, but there are people in direct opposition to him that I find to be far scummier.
I'm not defending him, or anyone, based on meta.
Here's what you said,
Not killing someone for exhibiting scummy behavior due to meta is stupid.
then you said this.
There are two people that are exhibiting scummy behavior that can be explained away by meta - Iso and Kpaca.
So, kpaca and iso are exhbiting scummy behavior in your opinion, therefore you should be voting for one of them, irregardless of their meta based on your previous statements. You never say in your post that Ximbad is exhibiting scummy behavior, just that he is more likely to be scum. It's interesting that you're using that word choice, but you're directly contradicting yourself.
tl:dr "HI GUYZ, MY NAME IZ VOXX. META IS BAD. IF PEOPLEZ ARE BEING SCUMMY DEN WE LYNCH DEM EVEN DOUH DER META SAYZ ITZ DEY ARNT. KPACA AND IZO ARE BING SCUMMY, BUT DER META SAYS DAT DEY ARTN< SO LET'S LYNCH XIMBDA AND SMEAR YANNI AMIRITE?"
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Kaaaay.
If Iso is not aligned with people you think are scum, this means jack-****ing ****. Iso can still be scum. They could be distancing, or busing, or you could be wrong and only Iso is scum, or maybe only one of the two (Ximbad/Kpaca) are scum, etc etc. You're deliberately discounting one scenario because you feel it can't co-exist with yours; which is a fundamentally wrong way of thinking.
It's only Chainsaw defense if it's mutual, and only if they both OMGUS at the same person.
You, however, appear to have started OMGUSing.
So wait, is meta important or unimportant when deciding a lynch?
What did Ximbad do?
How is it impossible for Iso and Kpaca to be scum?
How can you ignore Iso's play, handwaving everything being said about him as, "part of his meta?"
Your arguments come from an inherently wrong set of fallacies, and though you argue logically, your logic is wrong.
I need you to explain why you want to lynch Ximbad, why you think Iso can't be scum- WITHOUT using meta (if it takes meta to look town, he's coasting), and why you think Kpaca is more likely to be scum than Iso.
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Yeah, how convenient. "Hey guys, I have a conditional vote, but I could still be scum!!!" Then later on that opens you up to WIFOM statements such as "C'mon guys, I'm not scum, I pointed out that I could be earlier so why would I do that if I were scum?!"
Simmer down junior, do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Seriously it is a game, and while that might have been a stretch I couldn't read your color-by-numbers post either.
OMGUS.
First of all its GREYMON. One 'O'. Secondly, your argument is a stretch. You can hammer somebody AND hide behind the Actor role claim "c'mon guys, I can ONLY hammer, I didn't actually quickhammer!"
WIFOM. Greymoon and you can both be town because of them too.
Joke doesn't work, my name is GREYMON. Like the digimon, ROOOAR. Nice try though
Oh, and I have a life sir. I have a job, a gf, and do things off of the computer. I try to post at least once a day, and have you forgotten that I don't have a damn vote? I have to rely on my ability to persuade a bunch of people who clearly have anger issues on who I feel is scum, but I can't even vote for them. It's like constantly being horny but you don't have the required parts to do anything about it. And posting once in a
bluegrey moon is better than going off everytime someone mentions your name.*greymon unzips his pants and points a big fat.....FOS at Zeld
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You're STILL dodging every question thrown at you. Still. You've now done everything in your power to handwave, so fine, I'll be perfectly clear:
Iso has refused to re-state his argument on lynching...that one guy, who's probably posted.
Iso has refused to defend his accusations against me, on a mixture of grounds that include: blatantly ignoring my responses, broken color codes, and so-called "OMGUS."
Iso has basically stopped playing, in favor of trying to convince people that every other active player is useless, and that he's the only person worth listening to.
His play is a joke, and that's why I stand by my position: he's not directly benefiting the town, so he's gotta die.
1.) You blatantly and intentionally misrepresent me, for no good reason. You seem almost offended by the idea that your role doesn't auto-clear you, and suddenly it's scummy for me to be honest with the town? Neither of our roles are inherently alignment confirmed, and if anything, it'd make more sense for one of us to be scum (since it would balance out, one less vote on either team to avoid a serious shift, but they both still count towards their teams win-con). You're WIFOMing about WIFOM about whether or not I'm intentionally WIFOMing. Could you stop? You're accusing me of arguments that I have not, and never will make. Please, stick to facts, not potential facts that you half-expect to happen.
2.) Really? I dissected the sentence in thirds, which was clear by the colors of the actual sentence. And then I went over it respectively, which should have been obvious.
3.) Nice job, quoting Iso about it being OMGUS
What you and Iso both fail to do, is address the reasoning behind my posts, much less even acknowledge that I made the post. I also notice that you guys are becoming less and less trusting of me the more pressure I put on you.
4.) Do I look like I ****ing quickhammer?
Iso's played now, three or so games with me. I've never quickhammered.
I've never quickhammered as scum, or as town, or as neutral (never been neutral on a forum, actually). It's not something anyone who's smart DOES. It's too scummy for scum, and it's too stupid for town.
5.) WIFOM? What? I pointed out that neither of us are clear. That's not WIFOM. That's a fact. Either of us has the capacity to be scum, or town. You tried playing some semantics argument about how I might've said that we're both scum because of our roles, but the opposite applies, really. If we're both on either team, then that team is down at least a vote (since we can't vote on the same wagon), and usually, down two. It's much more likely in my eyes that one of us is scum, simply because it would balance out that there's a limited voter on either team.
6.) You're trying to dismiss my argument based off Semantics. Not scummy, just stupid. And a little arrogant.
7.) I lol'd. I have **** too. We all have **** we have to do, we post when we can. But your posts are not only infrequent, they don't tend to do much. For example, you dedicated your one post for the day to defending yourself and Iso. Doing nothing but defend yourself is scummy, bruh. And besides that, you use your "Lack of a Vote," as an excuse. (Did you, or did you not, claim to have a "No Lynch," vote? I recall that was what you claimed, and have asked repeatedly to be corrected if I'm wrong.) I don't have any sort of significant vote either. I have to persuade people with nothing but my words. And guess what? I don't do it by buddying up to another player and playing at semantic arguments.
Activity=Pro Town. Period. More posts, or at least posts with more content, are always better for town. They give the town more information about your alignment, and they help townies get their point across and gain information. Even if I'm flying off the cuff, I'm still playing more or less pro-town (unless anyone other than Iso and his butt buddy mean to tell me that I'm an OMGUSing WIFOM machine who exists to do nothing but swear and break code?), which is not something you've addressed. Neither you, nor Iso, can show that I'm anti-town in any way. Iso won't even defend himself in a way that can actually be argued, which is purely obstructionist.
End of the post, he makes a spiritual vote for me. Woo. Notice how he went from being fairly chill, to defending himself and Iso by attacking me.
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Tl;Dr: Iso is rapidly melting down, which is, by his own admission, a scum tell. He's simply stopped defending himself, rather he's riding his status to try and get away with one sentence responses.
Greymoon escalated very rapidly into thinking I'm outright scum, all because I think Iso is scum and because I don't think either of us are cleared.
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Stop me if I start making sense. I'm town, you're town, and Iso is scum. You start a bandwagon on me that manders metoos. At this point if he manages to get me lynched he's got you and manders to absorb the blame and maybe get lynched tomorrow.
The only reason people are voting for me is because of some new tell that was discovered after I stopped playing mafia, but is able to peg scum with 100% certainty day one? One that mostly involes me asking Voxx to add something to the game.
If I was scum with kpaca and Iso was town I'd never join that wagon. I'd push for one of the vote restrictions or something like that. One has to be scum, right? If one was scum I'd make up some awful reason to lynch him that seems somewhat coherent. That's all it takes ITT to be taken seriously. Later if one of us was killed the other would be ''confirmed" town.
At what point did "maybe overreaction" turn into "drastic overreaction"?
@ iso: what could I possibly say to counter your soulread? kpaca and iso could both be scum, it's not hard to imagine. In fact if Iso is scum (which I think there is a good chance of), then you would be more town, not less.
Ximbad, you could explain why you felt the need to say the whole bit about "do I care? no" or whatever it was that set me on to you. And we can go from there.
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"zelderex is lying but look at me continue to not answer his questions".
Oh man, this soup is simmering good.
Or you could beleive your story and I said that because . . . what's your story again? I asked him to elaborate, but his vote was almost certainly random. I don't think he should clutter the thread with pointless posts that don't even attempt to add anything. But I don't really care that much, and I didn't feel that a response was necessarily called for. By saying "Do I care?" I was down-playing the amount I was calling him out and leaving him open to just ignoring me if he didn't have anything to add (he didn't, by the way).
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Well, then. Congratulations. I still can't read you.
Hazing how? Explain what you mean in your own words, please.
Is this SERIOUSLY all you have to add?
Gotcha.
Good answer. Thanks.
You do, too. Always have. So, should we lynch you, too?
AKA being kpaca.
Hey, guy, you do realize this means jack ****, right?
His refusal to work around the formatting error is pretty bad, I'll agree.
Well, I wasn't in that game, was I?
Also, that's an incorrect statement and whoever said it is a liar or a fool. Plenty of players play like **** every game but don't get lynched.
I'm pretty certain I never asked you about your vote.
Smear you how, exactly?
And stop being so condescending. It's clouding my judgement.
Smells pretty good. My eyes are open, my good man.
Clutter the thread? He made a random vote in RVS. You overreacted to it. You continue to do so while dismissing most of what is said against you.
You deserve every vote that's on you.
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Iso (3): Yanni, kpaca, Ximbad
Yanni (1): Reya Cookiebringer
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Ximbad (3): Voxxicus, MandersHex, Iso
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Voxx had 0 mention of me possibly being scum until I went after him for being illogical. Then he started going "no yannis scum tooo"
but he doesn't have enough balls to vote for me, so it's an obvious smear tatic.
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I will direct you to the quote that I directed Reya to in post #202:
If you had bothered reading my posts instead of looking for every possible way you could smear me because I didn't want to respond to your post immediately, you would know that the above quote is not true.
If no one understood my point, why would there have been 4 votes on Ximbad at a certain point?
They read my post. Why do they need to ask me what I meant?
I did.
Why aren't you harping on kpaca for the same reason?
Is it not a double standard for you to not read my posts yet accuse me of being lazy and not explaining myself in the same breath?
Better?
FTR, I wasn't accusing you of OMGUSing ME.
I must have missed where I even suggested that every other active player is useless and that I'm the only person worth listening to. Please find quotes?
So again, I'm gonna have to ask: Why aren't you calling kpaca out on this?
On Day 1, I typically only trust players who are acting like townies. Currently, you are acting like a townie, albeit a bull-headed one.
Disney Mafia, Werewolf Mafia, and Cyberpunk, right? I don't remember you quickhammering off the top of my head in any of those games.
1. Why are you tying me to greymon?
2. The only thing remotely anti-town about your play thus far is your refusal to read (which has led to smearing), and that's typically a null tell anyway.
Quotes, please.
Nope.
Why do you think this?
So...you thought his random vote, in the random voting stage, was clutter, which you consider scummy (as you have called me out for my number of posts vs. content ratio), so you called him out for it, "downplayed the amount you were calling him out" (which I don't understand why you'd do if you thought his action was legitimately scummy, and you have stated that you do consider cluttering posts to be scummy) and when he didn't respond with any sustenance, you...back off? And I shouldn't be continuing to vote you for this weak self-contradiction of a response?
Whose, Ximbad's?
Nope. I'm at least giving my reasons.
I'm not sure what part of "RVS" is so difficult for you people to comprehend. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the name, "random voting stage", implies that people are to behave "randomly", or from my experience, in a manner that the player perceives as enjoyable or humorous, correct? So if I make a Neutral falseclaim in a game where there are no Neutrals, how is that anything more than a stupid joke? You have never called out a player in the RVS for making a joke before, so what made you decide to do it this time? Why would people make a big deal about something that was so painfully obviously not true if anyone had actually read the OP? How is it anti-town of me to do this when I did not encourage or even suggest for people to dwell on my claim? How is it anti-town of me to (even unintentionally) spur discussion that got us out of the RVS?
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you're doing like nothing.
I'm not calling you out for making a joke, I'm calling you out for distracting us which is something only scum would do.
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"distracting us"
Well, two problems with that statement.
1. You and kpaca are the only ones who seem to care, currently, that I made a Neutral falseclaim in the RVS in my first post of the game.
2. It's only a distraction to you because you keep harping on it.
I have no idea what this is responding to.
Funny, coming from the guy with no content to his posts.
It's the RVS. How is it distracting unless you continually harp on it? I'm not repeatedly saying, "EVERYONE, GO LOOK AT MY FALSECLAIM!" I'm not even trying to dominate discussion, here! What in the hell are you talking about?
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If you look I threw my vote at him when he said I was overreacting. At this point at least someone who is town agrees that I was overreacting, so I'm willing to admit that his observation wasn't completely bull****. Manders, Iso, Voxxicus scum team? Not likely.
You've been posting a lot of words, but not a lot of content. That's very much so not the same at all. Seriously, everyone look over Iso's posts and tell me he's been adding to the arguments for anything. Now that you've been called on it you've managed to get a good nights sleep, allowing you to make a post with substance.
You're making excuses for not posting before (an actual scum tell) and only added to the conversation when you were called out for not adding to the conversation. You are in the mafia.
1. You're pulling a quote where I explain what a good mafia tactic would be.
2. The town losing two votes means that actual everyone in the entire town needs to be convinced that one person need to be lynched. Nine town seven to lynch, right? That would suck. This line of thinking isn't going anywhere, so there is no reason to pursue it while there are better targets. You've got three voted plus Zelderex. So, yeah. It wasn't scummy, but it was pointless.
My post style has not changed.
I added everything I needed to add. I want you to be toDay's lynch. Period. If I'm scum because I want you dead and am watching everything else unfold while calling out Zeld's and Yanni's bs, then okay. Can't argue with that. (By the way, that's sarcasm.)
Then, let me ask you: Which of them do you think is more likely to be scum?
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This line of thinking isn't going anywhere, so there is no reason to pursue it while there are better targets.
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Nice try though. Really, it was.
You better shape up, im adding the vegetables.
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He almost defend himself. But instead, he goes ahead and tries to discredit me instead. Another post that counts against him.
1.) It was in reaction to three people bringing up that my role doesn't clear me, one of whom called it scummy that I had been, quote, "Riding my claim." The purpose of that statement should be pretty clear (though I guess I could just be belligerently stating facts for the hell of it).
2.) You were, I think. I don't remember who was in it too well, I remember the highlights of the first two days, my 100% vig accuracy, and getting vigged by the other Vig on N2. Anyway, it was Cyan who said it, which is probably why I've taken it to heart.
3.) You mentioned that my vote was on Iso, or said something to the effect of, "How bout that vote on Iso?" It was a bit of a vague phrasing, I guess? Misunderstandings happen.
Let's see, sort of a chaotic collection of response:
You accused me of OMGUS, which I cited, and then you said that you didn't accuse me of OMGUSing you. I never said you accused me of OMGUSing you, so factually speaking, this is the dumbest line of thought you've ever pursued, and I'm including RVS in this list.
I stated repeatedly that your reasoning was unclear, hence why I kept asking you to re-state it in a way that's more persuasive. It shouldn't require prodding by every other player to get you to re-state an argument against your #1 scum-read.
Kpaca isn't being excessively defensive and refusing to follow extremely simple requests, so I'm not giving him crap on his play. He's being weird, but generally productive, which is usually what you do. Not so, this game.
Can't provide quotes, it was a Colo game. I believe Werewolf, though it could have been one of the bastards. Or maybe it was Seppel who said that he melts down. You do your best to emulate him anyway, and I've seen you meltdown pretty hard, so I'll drop the "By his own admission," part and just say it:
Iso tends to melt down when caught as scum.
You've brought up the Ximbad voters repeatedly, and every time, I've pointed out that their activity has all been low. Bandwagoners are only mostly people.
Iso finally decides he wants to play, does an almost decent job of it. Much too little, much too late.
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lol u srs?
no content in posts
all you're doing is ad homming and ignoring zeld.
If you didn't make the false claim, then it wouldn't have been distracting.
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