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Here you bring DK to L-2 (or what we thought was L-2). You say you are OK with him being lynched; but why? Most people thought he was scum because he was defending me, who they also thought was scum. However, in the same quote you call me town.
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I've got no idea what's going on ITT. When things start making sense I might change my vote. For now I like it where it is.
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I have given who I believe to be scum, I have not seen a reasonable argument from Iso as to why Manders is scum, and I have no vote so even if I did see a reasonable argument from Iso about Manders I couldn't do anything about it.
If someone needs something from me, I'll respond but I've made my opinions clear that if I were to lynch someone today it would be G_D, and nothing has changed that so far.
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The fact that my reads are contradicting themselves is why this game is in a stagnated standstill.
No one is doing anything, and I only have two strong reads - town on Tom and Iso.
I think I believe Reya's claim, as well.
That leaves a clump of people that I can see any of being scum, and the inactivity and lack of votes from two of the players means that nothing happens. When nothing happens, it's impossible to generate reads or get meaningful vote wagons to analyse.
I've had a pretty strong gut scum read on Ximbad since almost his first post of the game, and he's done nothing to change that.
But the only other person on that list I can really see being scum with him is Kpaca. Greymon... maybe?
I don't think Ximbad and Ganderin_Dan are scum together.
I don't think Ximbad and Manders are scum together.
I don't think Ximbad and Knifehand are scum together.
But despite the belief that they are unaligned (with Ximbad), I also find G_D and Manders to be plausible scum.
My primary method of analysis revolves around analysing interactions after a flip occurs, but there's been extremely little voting or interactions in this game.
The main culprit is two people that can't vote.
With 10 players alive, we need 6 for majority. With two people that can't place a vote, we need 6 out of 8.
If we assume someone doesn't self vote, we need 6 out of 7.
So I wonder why we're effectively stalled out, with nothing going on.
I didn't like Ganderin_Dan's use of 'evidence', and jumped on him in reaction to that. But after actually looking at things, I can't really justify voting for someone that two other scum reads are voting for, and no one else.
I don't really know what to think or do at the moment. I just want one of the six people to die so that we have something to look at, and narrow things down further.
This back and forth with Kpaca and Iso is entertaining, but ultimately pointless.
Iso is not getting lynched today.
While I'd rather lynch Ximbad, I don't really see that lynch going through today.
I'd be okay with a Manders lynch, I guess? I think the two people voting her are town, and that wagon not accelerating more than it has makes me feel better about it... I think. But it's hard to make judgement calls like that when there's been no one posting, either.
I guess my response to Tom is that I freely admit to my reads contradicting each other.
Because I don't know precisely who I think is scum, outside of believing that they all reside in the group of six people I listed above.
I've not done much to make people think I'm town this game, I guess, but it's hard to care about a game when no one else seems to, either.
I've had a pretty strong gut scum read on Ximbad since almost his first post of the game, and he's done nothing to change that.
I don't think Ximbad and Ganderin_Dan are scum together.
I don't think Ximbad and Manders are scum together.
I don't think Ximbad and Knifehand are scum together.
But despite the belief that they are unaligned (with Ximbad), I also find G_D and Manders to be plausible scum.
So you are just continuing to not make sense.
With 10 players alive, we need 6 for majority. With two people that can't place a vote, we need 6 out of 8.
One of the two apparently can if it's the hammer.
I didn't like Ganderin_Dan's use of 'evidence', and jumped on him in reaction to that. But after actually looking at things, I can't really justify voting for someone that two other scum reads are voting for, and no one else.
(bolded for emphasis)
So you jumped on him without looking at things.
I don't really know what to think or do at the moment. I just want one of the six people to die so that we have something to look at, and narrow things down further.
This doesn't read as town to me at all.
Because I don't know precisely who I think is scum, outside of believing that they all reside in the group of six people I listed above.
Vote: Manders
More text that doesn't read town. Voting to lynch Manders even when you don't know precisely who you think is scum, and freely admitting you are super on-the-fence about it:
I'd be okay with a Manders lynch, I guess? I think the two people voting her are town, and that wagon not accelerating more than it has makes me feel better about it... I think. But it's hard to make judgement calls like that when there's been no one posting, either.
(bolded for emphasis)
I guess my response to Tom is that I freely admit to my reads contradicting each other.
I've not done much to make people think I'm town this game, I guess
Tell me why Manders is not scum. The Night actions, her failure to follow through, and her vote on dan all scream scum.
Why does her vote on Dan scream scum? If I had one that's where it would be at the moment too.
If I were to build a case around Manders right now, I'd say the strongest points against her are the hammer yesterday, and the self-imposed PR (I get that it's for an achievement, but it's also the perfect way to hide in plain sight so I don't care what the reason is because its full of WIFOM).
You're the only person that is actually giving two ****s about this game, and I'm convinced that you are town.
I'm also town, just having trouble getting invested in this cluster**** of inactivity and no-votes. I'm heavily dependent on activity, interactions, and voting analysis to actually scumhunt. So I'm largely townhunting, and going along with them until I have something to actually analyse.
Being uncertain about what the **** is going on in this game doesn't make me scum, considering there's effectively nothing actually going on.
My three strongest scum reads are this point are probably Ximbad, Kpaca, and Manders.
There's some conflicting thoughts in there, though, because I'm not sure if that is actually the possible scumteam.
But I'm willing to lynch one of them, see what their alignment is, and then go from there.
As I think all of the people currently voting for Manders are town, that is my preferred lynch currently.
Why do you give me that group of people to choose from, versus everyone?
Ironically my top 3 scumspects right now are you, Reya, and Iso (in that order); nobody in the group you gave me. If I had to choose another... I don't know, Greymon maybe.
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Also it's damn pathetic that I'm the only one trying here. Can you guys please just try to make an effort to get back in the game? And I don't mean just stopping by to say you are still voting for someone or that the game is confusing.
Once we get some good discussion hopefully everyone else will start jumping in too. Remember we are on a deadline.
I'd like everyone to look at what I had to say about Voxxicus and voice some thoughts. In my opinion all of the other cases on people are pretty much BS.
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I know who I want to lynch but with 2 vote disadvantages it is kind of hard to get going. Its a lot harder to get votes on and to lynch. Especially with so many wagons.
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You are the lightest of my reads, but I really dislike how you are jumping on almost every wagon we go through, no matter how bad the case. I hate your vote on Dork Knight in Day 1. Your reasons for lynching Manders don't fly with me either. I also can't say I'm too grateful for the deadline.
For the most part you have also been quite friendly this game with Vox and Reya.
I know who I want to lynch but with 2 vote disadvantages it is kind of hard to get going. Its a lot harder to get votes on and to lynch. Especially with so many wagons.
So stopping by to complain about the game like so many others?
We aren't going to get anything done productive that way. What are your thoughts on Voxxicus after reading my analysis?
You are the lightest of my reads, but I really dislike how you are jumping on almost every wagon we go through, no matter how bad the case. I hate your vote on Dork Knight in Day 1. Your reasons for lynching Manders don't fly with me either. I also can't say I'm too grateful for the deadline.
At this point, I want the Day to end. Also, "jumping on almost every wagon we go through" =/= starting the wagon on Manders. Also, pf implemented the deadline of his own accord.
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Another thing that should be red-alerting people about Manders is that she /barned my dan case but literally didn't know why when she did. She asked me to explain my reasoning on dan after the game and was willing to accept my argument at face value, regardless of whether it was valid or not. This is the same thing she did in Osteria, when I pointed out something about one of her scumbuddy's posts and she was like, "Yeah that's totally scummy!" and when I pointed out that I mentioned the wrong post but she /barned my statement anyway, I asked her what she saw that was scummy in the post and her response was to the effect of "lol idr!" So yeah, Manders is totally scum here.
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I was not complaining...
I think voxx could definately be scum not just the stuff you pointed out but I have a gut feeling. I still think manders should be our lynch. Whether town or scum we will be able to have a much better idea of the game after she is lynched. Not to mention her bogus lurking excuse and the horrible votes she has had this whole game. Iso does not look the best to me right now either though, with the lynch everyone with a vote disadvantage, I mean I kind of agree but the execution of it made it give me a bad taste in my mouth. but at this point i don't know. Gan dan having no vote kind of makes me want to lynch him but I dont want to game the mod as him being scum because he has no vote.
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Also, "jumping on almost every wagon we go through" =/= starting the wagon on Manders.
You didn't start the current wagon on Manders, Reya did.
Also, just because you happen do be one of the starting voters for some wagons doesn't negate the fact that you are jumping on almost every wagon we go through.
Also, pf implemented the deadline of his own accord.
You requested it.
Have I?
Yup.
Hi! You see this thing where we can't get enough votes to lynch someone? This wouldn't happen if two of our players didn't have votes.
I still don't understand your post, unless it is a random joke. And one of the two can apparently hammer.
Another thing that should be red-alerting people about Manders is that she /barned my dan case but literally didn't know why when she did. She asked me to explain my reasoning on dan after the game and was willing to accept my argument at face value, regardless of whether it was valid or not. This is the same thing she did in Osteria, when I pointed out something about one of her scumbuddy's posts and she was like, "Yeah that's totally scummy!" and when I pointed out that I mentioned the wrong post but she /barned my statement anyway, I asked her what she saw that was scummy in the post and her response was to the effect of "lol idr!" So yeah, Manders is totally scum here.
Quotes please? Also how did she ask you to explain after the game when the game isn't over yet??
Iso, can you please read through my analysis of Voxxicus and give your thoughts?
Also, just because you happen do be one of the starting voters for some wagons doesn't negate the fact that you are jumping on almost every wagon we go through.
Yeah just kind of noticed. I hope iso isn't the sk.
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I totally forgot about that. I think him being scum or not really depends on what manders flips. I was seeing his jumping as wanting to lynch anybody possible. If manders flips town he more likely scum. If manders flips scum then I'm pretty sure he's more than likely town.
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You didn't start the current wagon on Manders, Reya did.
No, I did, then I left it for dan, then I got back on it.
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NO ONE IS PLAYING THE ****ING GAME
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You requested it.
And he said "lol no"
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Yup.
Didn't notice.
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I still don't understand your post, unless it is a random joke. And one of the two can apparently hammer.
What's not to understand? With deadweight gone, we can get enough support for a lynch.
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Quotes please? Also how did she ask you to explain after the game when the game isn't over yet??
Manders has like 10 posts in this game. Find it yourself.
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Iso, can you please read through my analysis of Voxxicus and give your thoughts?
I find Voxx's explanation sufficient for his behavior.
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I'd like to lynch gandering dan for not knowing his role at the start of day one and because his (claimed) role is a literal do-nothing if lynches happen a vote early, but there isn't really a chance of that happening. I guess manders could be scum, her votes on Dork knigght and reya seemed opportunistic enough. unvote vote:mandershex
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No, I did, then I left it for dan, then I got back on it.
Those were two separate wagons. Nobody was voting for Manders in between. Also good example of you jumping on and off people.
NO ONE IS PLAYING THE ****ING GAME
Some people are, but regardless, I don't see what this has to do with your jumpy behavior since the beginning of Day 1.
And he said "lol no"
And later he said yes. All in all I'd be surprised if we had the current deadline if it wasn't for you.
My main point was that I don't like you encouraging it, anyway.
What's not to understand? With deadweight gone, we can get enough support for a lynch.
I just found that I misread what you said. I originally thought you said we should lynch people on Day 3 and 4 without voting, which clearly doesn't make sense.
Manders has like 10 posts in this game. Find it yourself.
We're on a deadline, and we need to lynch scum. You are one of the people driving the Manders wagon; if you want to get some votes you need to show people evidence, not say "go find it yourself".
I gave you that list of people because I'm town (and if I'm forced to claim, I won't get lynched - hence me asking you to assume I'm town and re-evaluate your world view. I think Iso is town. And Reya's claim is provable, and is certainly not a scum role.
I also didn't include you on it, since you're pretty obvious town.
I included the other six people that aren't either strong town reads (you/Iso) or townfirmable (Reya). This isn't rocket science.
Yanni is townfirmed.
Reya's role is townfirmable.
Knifehand is... a possibility in scenarios where Ximbad is actually town.
Iso is a possibility, but I think he's town.
Voxxicus is town.
MandersHex is a possibility.
One of the reasons I think Ximbad is such likely scum is him off voting for Manders as a policy vote. It felt like 'Oh, hey, I know this guy is going to flip town, so I'm going to go be doing something else that I can defend, and not be on the wagon'.
It's an interesting behavioral analysis thing where scum like mislynches to happen, but don't like to be voting for them, because it looks bad. So you usually end up with 1-2 scum on the mislynch wagon, and some not on the mislynch wagon.
Of course, us having two roles that can't vote really skews that kind of analysis. Have I mentioned that it's frustrating?
But seriously - we have a week or so until deadline. I'm town, and even if forced to claim, we aren't going to lynch me. Yes, this is me claiming not-vanilla. Think about what I've said, mostly in this post, lock me in as town, and re-evaluate what the world is that we are in.
I think your effort is exceptionally good, you are just very, very wrong right now.
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I think on Days 3 and 4 we just need to lynch the people without votes.
I agree with this 100000% but the only thing I ask is that if I'm lynched first (and honestly I shouldn't be) when I flip town, lynch Ganderin_Dan no matter what. Whoever we lynch today, we should make G_D cast the hammer vote so that we can prove that he has it. I'm betting he doesn't, and if he doesn't show up, goes on V/LA, ANYTHING to avoid it he should be Tomorrow's lynch. Then, if he does happen to flip town lynch me. Worst case scenario, we're both town but you get 2 castrated townies out of the way and can actually get people lynched that you want to.
Hey guys; I've been keeping up with the game a little bit but I'm in class right now. More later.
Welcome, hopefully you'll be a little more active than Knifehands. With that said, where the hell is Kpaca?
I don't know what the hell it is, but I just started another game and we've already made way more progress in like 2 real-time days than this game has in 2 IN-GAME days. I'm reenergized, and ready to win this game, but I still can't vote. So you guys need to listen to what the **** I'm saying when I do, because ALL I HAVE TO GO ON IS WHAT I'M READING, I CANNOT HELP MY OWN CAUSE
I don't think Manders and Ximbad are scum together, and I think Ximbad is more likely scum than Manders.
Manders placed the first 'non-rvs' vote on Ximbad on day one, and the way she went about it made me think they were not knowingly aligned. One of them is scum, or both are town.
I consider both being town to be hilariously unlikely, though.
The complete surrounding context of your vote on Manders. By that point you should have already voted her, or your vote should have been reactionary to further posting from manders. Instead you blabbering on for a while until you had sufficient pats on the back for what you were doing and then cast your vote. Your proceeding attempts at having Manders lynch have been incredibly lackluster and have mostly been "gaiz lets lynch manders", which you have estimated is your best bet to push through such a lackluster case, seeing as how this game is filled with people who can't vote or don't care. I used this same tactic as lynched in TMSMII to great effect. You're case is contrived and your rather feverish to push it through, and both show through in your tone and the timing of your actions.
Tell me why Manders is not scum. The Night actions, her failure to follow through, and her vote on dan all scream scum.
This for instance. Burden of guild rests with you, the prosecution. You really can't explain why manders is scum, and as a matter of fact your recenter post about her behavior in Osteria shows that you are reaching rather hard.
You're the only person that is actually giving two ****s about this game, and I'm convinced that you are town.
I'm also town, just having trouble getting invested in this cluster**** of inactivity and no-votes. I'm heavily dependent on activity, interactions, and voting analysis to actually scumhunt. So I'm largely townhunting, and going along with them until I have something to actually analyse.
Being uncertain about what the **** is going on in this game doesn't make me scum, considering there's effectively nothing actually going on.
My three strongest scum reads are this point are probably Ximbad, Kpaca, and Manders.
There's some conflicting thoughts in there, though, because I'm not sure if that is actually the possible scumteam.
But I'm willing to lynch one of them, see what their alignment is, and then go from there.
As I think all of the people currently voting for Manders are town, that is my preferred lynch currently.
I'll have you know that I am giving three ****s about this game sir.
I'd like to lynch gandering dan for not knowing his role at the start of day one and because his (claimed) role is a literal do-nothing if lynches happen a vote early, but there isn't really a chance of that happening. I guess manders could be scum, her votes on Dork knigght and reya seemed opportunistic enough. unvote vote:mandershex
Weak vote man. Help me lynch Iso we still have nine days.
I agree with this 100000% but the only thing I ask is that if I'm lynched first (and honestly I shouldn't be) when I flip town, lynch Ganderin_Dan no matter what. Whoever we lynch today, we should make G_D cast the hammer vote so that we can prove that he has it. I'm betting he doesn't, and if he doesn't show up, goes on V/LA, ANYTHING to avoid it he should be Tomorrow's lynch. Then, if he does happen to flip town lynch me. Worst case scenario, we're both town but you get 2 castrated townies out of the way and can actually get people lynched that you want to.
Welcome, hopefully you'll be a little more active than Knifehands. With that said, where the hell is Kpaca?
I don't know what the hell it is, but I just started another game and we've already made way more progress in like 2 real-time days than this game has in 2 IN-GAME days. I'm reenergized, and ready to win this game, but I still can't vote. So you guys need to listen to what the **** I'm saying when I do, because ALL I HAVE TO GO ON IS WHAT I'M READING, I CANNOT HELP MY OWN CAUSE
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Yeah, sure. I still want her to claim though, as she's at H-2 technically now, even if it might be H-1 in practice.
Unvote
Also, sell me on Iso as scum, or failing that, Manders as town.
If you think Iso is scum, who is scum with him? (And yeah, don't include me. I might not be entirely sure what the **** is going on in this game, but I'm town)
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Ximbad (1): Knifehand1371
Reya Cookiebringer (1): Tom88
ganderin_dan (2): Ximbad, MandersHex
MandersHex (2): Reya Cookiebringer, Iso
Iso (1): kpaca
Not voting:
Voxxicus
ganderin_dan
greymon90210
With 10 rappers still alive, its 6 to lynch
Deadline set for the 20th of September
LOL
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Facts:
-You made the vote post after Manders and Ximbad were already on the wagon.
-Between these two posts of yours there was a total of 0 posts from Ximbad and only 1 from Manders.
-You made the vote post when the wagon was picking up speed, and made the unvote post when the wagon was slowing down.
-As g_d pointed out (twice, without you responding either time), the vote post in full is very contradictory:
You say the following:
1) I think Ximbad is scum
2) I don't think both Ximbad and g_d are scum
3) I think g_d is scum
Unvote, Vote: Voxxicus
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Here you bring DK to L-2 (or what we thought was L-2). You say you are OK with him being lynched; but why? Most people thought he was scum because he was defending me, who they also thought was scum. However, in the same quote you call me town.
Why, exactly, again do you think Manders is scum?
Mod: Can we get a prod on Knifehand, Ximbad, and Greymon?
I have given who I believe to be scum, I have not seen a reasonable argument from Iso as to why Manders is scum, and I have no vote so even if I did see a reasonable argument from Iso about Manders I couldn't do anything about it.
If someone needs something from me, I'll respond but I've made my opinions clear that if I were to lynch someone today it would be G_D, and nothing has changed that so far.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
/barn
You guys should be following Tom around like he's Moses or something.
No one is doing anything, and I only have two strong reads - town on Tom and Iso.
I think I believe Reya's claim, as well.
That leaves a clump of people that I can see any of being scum, and the inactivity and lack of votes from two of the players means that nothing happens. When nothing happens, it's impossible to generate reads or get meaningful vote wagons to analyse.
I think there's 3 scum in this group of people:
Ximbad
Kpaca
Manders
Ganderin_Dan
Greymon
Knifehand
I've had a pretty strong gut scum read on Ximbad since almost his first post of the game, and he's done nothing to change that.
But the only other person on that list I can really see being scum with him is Kpaca. Greymon... maybe?
I don't think Ximbad and Ganderin_Dan are scum together.
I don't think Ximbad and Manders are scum together.
I don't think Ximbad and Knifehand are scum together.
But despite the belief that they are unaligned (with Ximbad), I also find G_D and Manders to be plausible scum.
My primary method of analysis revolves around analysing interactions after a flip occurs, but there's been extremely little voting or interactions in this game.
The main culprit is two people that can't vote.
With 10 players alive, we need 6 for majority. With two people that can't place a vote, we need 6 out of 8.
If we assume someone doesn't self vote, we need 6 out of 7.
So I wonder why we're effectively stalled out, with nothing going on.
I didn't like Ganderin_Dan's use of 'evidence', and jumped on him in reaction to that. But after actually looking at things, I can't really justify voting for someone that two other scum reads are voting for, and no one else.
I don't really know what to think or do at the moment. I just want one of the six people to die so that we have something to look at, and narrow things down further.
This back and forth with Kpaca and Iso is entertaining, but ultimately pointless.
Iso is not getting lynched today.
While I'd rather lynch Ximbad, I don't really see that lynch going through today.
I'd be okay with a Manders lynch, I guess? I think the two people voting her are town, and that wagon not accelerating more than it has makes me feel better about it... I think. But it's hard to make judgement calls like that when there's been no one posting, either.
I guess my response to Tom is that I freely admit to my reads contradicting each other.
Because I don't know precisely who I think is scum, outside of believing that they all reside in the group of six people I listed above.
I've not done much to make people think I'm town this game, I guess, but it's hard to care about a game when no one else seems to, either.
Vote: Manders
Ximbad (1): Knifehand1371
Voxxicus (1): Tom88
ganderin_dan (2): Ximbad, MandersHex
MandersHex (3): Reya Cookiebringer, Iso, Voxxicus
Iso (1): kpaca
Not voting:
ganderin_dan
greymon90210
With 10 rappers still alive, its 6 to lynch
Deadline set for the 20th of September
LOL
So you are just continuing to not make sense.
One of the two apparently can if it's the hammer.
(bolded for emphasis)
So you jumped on him without looking at things.
This doesn't read as town to me at all.
More text that doesn't read town. Voting to lynch Manders even when you don't know precisely who you think is scum, and freely admitting you are super on-the-fence about it:
(bolded for emphasis)
And there you have it. Let's lynch Voxxicus.
Why does her vote on Dan scream scum? If I had one that's where it would be at the moment too.
If I were to build a case around Manders right now, I'd say the strongest points against her are the hammer yesterday, and the self-imposed PR (I get that it's for an achievement, but it's also the perfect way to hide in plain sight so I don't care what the reason is because its full of WIFOM).
Pretend I'm 100% confirmed town.
Re-evaluate your reads from there.
Who do you think are the scum in this group:
Ximbad
Kpaca
Manders
Ganderin_Dan
Greymon
Knifehand
You're the only person that is actually giving two ****s about this game, and I'm convinced that you are town.
I'm also town, just having trouble getting invested in this cluster**** of inactivity and no-votes. I'm heavily dependent on activity, interactions, and voting analysis to actually scumhunt. So I'm largely townhunting, and going along with them until I have something to actually analyse.
Being uncertain about what the **** is going on in this game doesn't make me scum, considering there's effectively nothing actually going on.
My three strongest scum reads are this point are probably Ximbad, Kpaca, and Manders.
There's some conflicting thoughts in there, though, because I'm not sure if that is actually the possible scumteam.
But I'm willing to lynch one of them, see what their alignment is, and then go from there.
As I think all of the people currently voting for Manders are town, that is my preferred lynch currently.
Ironically my top 3 scumspects right now are you, Reya, and Iso (in that order); nobody in the group you gave me. If I had to choose another... I don't know, Greymon maybe.
@Tom: Why do you think I might be scum?
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Once we get some good discussion hopefully everyone else will start jumping in too. Remember we are on a deadline.
I'd like everyone to look at what I had to say about Voxxicus and voice some thoughts. In my opinion all of the other cases on people are pretty much BS.
You can find my analysis on Vox by reading the following posts:
Post 1
Post 2
Post 3
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You are the lightest of my reads, but I really dislike how you are jumping on almost every wagon we go through, no matter how bad the case. I hate your vote on Dork Knight in Day 1. Your reasons for lynching Manders don't fly with me either. I also can't say I'm too grateful for the deadline.
For the most part you have also been quite friendly this game with Vox and Reya.
So stopping by to complain about the game like so many others?
We aren't going to get anything done productive that way. What are your thoughts on Voxxicus after reading my analysis?
At this point, I want the Day to end. Also, "jumping on almost every wagon we go through" =/= starting the wagon on Manders. Also, pf implemented the deadline of his own accord.
Have I?
Hi! You see this thing where we can't get enough votes to lynch someone? This wouldn't happen if two of our players didn't have votes.
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I think voxx could definately be scum not just the stuff you pointed out but I have a gut feeling. I still think manders should be our lynch. Whether town or scum we will be able to have a much better idea of the game after she is lynched. Not to mention her bogus lurking excuse and the horrible votes she has had this whole game. Iso does not look the best to me right now either though, with the lynch everyone with a vote disadvantage, I mean I kind of agree but the execution of it made it give me a bad taste in my mouth. but at this point i don't know. Gan dan having no vote kind of makes me want to lynch him but I dont want to game the mod as him being scum because he has no vote.
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You didn't start the current wagon on Manders, Reya did.
Also, just because you happen do be one of the starting voters for some wagons doesn't negate the fact that you are jumping on almost every wagon we go through.
You requested it.
Yup.
I still don't understand your post, unless it is a random joke. And one of the two can apparently hammer.
Quotes please? Also how did she ask you to explain after the game when the game isn't over yet??
Iso, can you please read through my analysis of Voxxicus and give your thoughts?
Yeah just kind of noticed. I hope iso isn't the sk.
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There aren't neutral roles in this game. I'm surprised you don't remember the 2pac fiasco in the beginning of Day 1.
If anything it means he's scum (one of the reasons he's in my top 3).
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No, I did, then I left it for dan, then I got back on it.
NO ONE IS PLAYING THE ****ING GAME
And he said "lol no"
Didn't notice.
What's not to understand? With deadweight gone, we can get enough support for a lynch.
Manders has like 10 posts in this game. Find it yourself.
I find Voxx's explanation sufficient for his behavior.
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Those were two separate wagons. Nobody was voting for Manders in between. Also good example of you jumping on and off people.
Some people are, but regardless, I don't see what this has to do with your jumpy behavior since the beginning of Day 1.
And later he said yes. All in all I'd be surprised if we had the current deadline if it wasn't for you.
My main point was that I don't like you encouraging it, anyway.
I just found that I misread what you said. I originally thought you said we should lynch people on Day 3 and 4 without voting, which clearly doesn't make sense.
We're on a deadline, and we need to lynch scum. You are one of the people driving the Manders wagon; if you want to get some votes you need to show people evidence, not say "go find it yourself".
I gave you that list of people because I'm town (and if I'm forced to claim, I won't get lynched - hence me asking you to assume I'm town and re-evaluate your world view. I think Iso is town. And Reya's claim is provable, and is certainly not a scum role.
I also didn't include you on it, since you're pretty obvious town.
I included the other six people that aren't either strong town reads (you/Iso) or townfirmable (Reya). This isn't rocket science.
Dork Knight (6): Yanni, Reya Cookiebringer, Knifehand1371, Iso, Voxxicus, MandersHex
greymon90210 (1): kpaca
Reya Cookiebringer (1): Dork Knight
No lynch (1): greymon90210
MandersHex (1): Ximbad
Not voting:
Zelderex
Tom88
Yanni is townfirmed.
Reya's role is townfirmable.
Knifehand is... a possibility in scenarios where Ximbad is actually town.
Iso is a possibility, but I think he's town.
Voxxicus is town.
MandersHex is a possibility.
One of the reasons I think Ximbad is such likely scum is him off voting for Manders as a policy vote. It felt like 'Oh, hey, I know this guy is going to flip town, so I'm going to go be doing something else that I can defend, and not be on the wagon'.
It's an interesting behavioral analysis thing where scum like mislynches to happen, but don't like to be voting for them, because it looks bad. So you usually end up with 1-2 scum on the mislynch wagon, and some not on the mislynch wagon.
Of course, us having two roles that can't vote really skews that kind of analysis. Have I mentioned that it's frustrating?
But seriously - we have a week or so until deadline. I'm town, and even if forced to claim, we aren't going to lynch me. Yes, this is me claiming not-vanilla. Think about what I've said, mostly in this post, lock me in as town, and re-evaluate what the world is that we are in.
I think your effort is exceptionally good, you are just very, very wrong right now.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Voxxicus (1): Tom88
ganderin_dan (1): MandersHex
MandersHex (4): Reya Cookiebringer, Iso, Voxxicus, Ximbad
Iso (1): kpaca
Not voting:
Zionite
ganderin_dan
greymon90210
With 10 rappers still alive, its 6 to lynch
Deadline set for the 20th of September, 9 days from now. Please note if no lynched is reached by the deadline, the player closest to being lynched will be killed.
Zionite replaces Knifehand1371. His vote has been reset
LOL
I agree with this 100000% but the only thing I ask is that if I'm lynched first (and honestly I shouldn't be) when I flip town, lynch Ganderin_Dan no matter what. Whoever we lynch today, we should make G_D cast the hammer vote so that we can prove that he has it. I'm betting he doesn't, and if he doesn't show up, goes on V/LA, ANYTHING to avoid it he should be Tomorrow's lynch. Then, if he does happen to flip town lynch me. Worst case scenario, we're both town but you get 2 castrated townies out of the way and can actually get people lynched that you want to.
Welcome, hopefully you'll be a little more active than Knifehands. With that said, where the hell is Kpaca?
I don't know what the hell it is, but I just started another game and we've already made way more progress in like 2 real-time days than this game has in 2 IN-GAME days. I'm reenergized, and ready to win this game, but I still can't vote. So you guys need to listen to what the **** I'm saying when I do, because ALL I HAVE TO GO ON IS WHAT I'M READING, I CANNOT HELP MY OWN CAUSE
Since Dork Knight died one short of the listed number of votes needed.
So no one else vote for her prior to the claim.
How wishy washy.
I really wish you had let me push that a little further before trying to blow it up yourself.
The complete surrounding context of your vote on Manders. By that point you should have already voted her, or your vote should have been reactionary to further posting from manders. Instead you blabbering on for a while until you had sufficient pats on the back for what you were doing and then cast your vote. Your proceeding attempts at having Manders lynch have been incredibly lackluster and have mostly been "gaiz lets lynch manders", which you have estimated is your best bet to push through such a lackluster case, seeing as how this game is filled with people who can't vote or don't care. I used this same tactic as lynched in TMSMII to great effect. You're case is contrived and your rather feverish to push it through, and both show through in your tone and the timing of your actions.
This for instance. Burden of guild rests with you, the prosecution. You really can't explain why manders is scum, and as a matter of fact your recenter post about her behavior in Osteria shows that you are reaching rather hard.
TOWNFOLK: UNVOTE MANDERS
I'll have you know that I am giving three ****s about this game sir.
Weak vote man. Help me lynch Iso we still have nine days.
My keyboard for my ipad broke and that really kills my motivation to make bigger posts. Also I just reactivated Xbox live while I simultaneously became disgusted with the staff of this website. As such my motivation for typing in mtgs.com into my url has been suspect but fear not I am not leaving you.
Or here's an idea: Unvote her to be on the safe side.
Unvote
Also, sell me on Iso as scum, or failing that, Manders as town.
If you think Iso is scum, who is scum with him? (And yeah, don't include me. I might not be entirely sure what the **** is going on in this game, but I'm town)