Do you think the claim is phoney, or that the role is too OP for town? Or both? Or neither?
I'm digesting everything about DRey at the moment. I've seen too many recent time where someone claimed DRey to be a certain alignment and him not be the alignment when he flipped. His play here has been poor at best.
Do you think the claim is phoney, or that the role is too OP for town? Or both? Or neither?
The first time I read it I misread it and thought oh hey he is a type of tracker. After reading Gricky's post I realized that he can confirm two people. Given that his role has some major balance concerns as stated on a townie and his horrible play I feel that at the very least he is lying about being town and at the most he is lying about being town and his ability.
Okay, I'm going to ask the same question Cyouni asked me because it's been bugging me that I can't ascertain the answer:
Why would a scum DRey try to save a town Void?
(I know this question assumes a lot, but I'm hoping some of the more veteran players have an answer because I'm certain DRey is smarter than a "1:1" player.)
Okay, I'm going to ask the same question Cyouni asked me because it's been bugging me that I can't ascertain the answer:
Why would a scum DRey try to save a town Void?
(I know this question assumes a lot, but I'm hoping some of the more veteran players have an answer because I'm certain DRey is smarter than a "1:1" player.)
Okay, I'm going to ask the same question Cyouni asked me because it's been bugging me that I can't ascertain the answer:
Why would a scum DRey try to save a town Void?
(I know this question assumes a lot, but I'm hoping some of the more veteran players have an answer because I'm certain DRey is smarter than a "1:1" player.)
1. I have serious doubts about Void being town. But there is enough fog surrounding him that I don't think he is the best lynch for today.
2. As to an answer to your question if DRey is scum and Void is town then scum DRey would try to "save" town Void for town cred and for the fact that it looked like void was going to be lynched.
@Aud: Also, forgot to mention, if you are saying that other people's townie posts make you think that Cyouni is scummy, you should point out who and what you are /barning and, oh yeah, you are /barning again. Still lacking original thought?
No, you misunderstood the meaning of my sentence. Should have been more clear: Cyouni has made more townie posts lately, so I no longer want to lynch him so intensely as before.
And, I'm not going to state this twice: can you please get off my ass on the barning?
Seriously, I analysed the two wagons when I thought Void was dead town, got indicative evidence from it which could be expanded on if anyone bothered to read back in this game, but I have not had the time to do so myself because I'm have a bloody vacation and real people that require my attention. What I would like to do is see all of Wheats, Megs and Cyuoni, to see if the ever voted eachother, whom of them voted for the claimed neutrals and stuff.
Wheat pulled a latin gambit which is actually working, because nobody bothers to read him back since half his game is in a dead language which nobody understands without translators. All his reasons for voting back then are hidden behind this.
And yes, I'm fencesitting on the DRey issue, as I believed he was town but now has a suspicion I've been had and my trusting person has been violated. I will not decide my stance on this until I have a chance to actually read him back, because I don't feel like just putting my finger in the air and vote in the wet direction at this stage of the game. There are so many posts in this game that there's really no need to vote out of gut, one should be able to find actual "proof" of scummyness if one does the legwork.
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Okay, I'm going to ask the same question Cyouni asked me because it's been bugging me that I can't ascertain the answer:
Why would a scum DRey try to save a town Void?
(I know this question assumes a lot, but I'm hoping some of the more veteran players have an answer because I'm certain DRey is smarter than a "1:1" player.)
I actually want to change my own question, given that the way it's posed now doesn't represent the situation fully. The proper question should be:
Why would a scum DRey offer himself as a lynch, or try to get himself lynched, in order to save a town Void?
You have no reason why you shouldn't say it today.
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GrickyTimmick is very probably town.
Seppel is very probably telling the truth.
Tordeck is probably town.
Arcadic is probably scum.
AsianInvasion is probably town.
Wessel I'm leaning towards town on.
Audinho is very probably town.
Void is blatantly scum.
Arnnaria is probably town.
DRey is blatantly scum.
Why does someone being gone make them a bad lynch in your eyes?
They both had the same number of votes, I'd rather vote the guy who's able to defend themselves over the guy who's back is turned. It was enough to tip the otherwise equal balance. It's not a bad lynch so much as a not as good lynch.
Now it's no longer equal; DRey has more votes by far. Thus, he earns mine as well.
They both had the same number of votes, I'd rather vote the guy who's able to defend themselves over the guy who's back is turned. It was enough to tip the otherwise equal balance. It's not a bad lynch so much as a not as good lynch.
Now it's no longer equal; DRey has more votes by far. Thus, he earns mine as well.
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If someone can point me to a case on DRey before I naturally reach it in my reread, I'd appreciate it. I'll skip ahead and then either put a vote there or on Void.
The simplest thing to do would be to read his posts from when he replaced in to when he stated that he would rather die than let Void be lynched (so long as Seppel or myself would be lynched next). I recently provided links to these posts.
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GrickyTimmick is very probably town.
Seppel is very probably telling the truth.
Tordeck is probably town.
Arcadic is probably scum.
AsianInvasion is probably town.
Wessel I'm leaning towards town on.
Audinho is very probably town.
Void is blatantly scum.
Arnnaria is probably town.
DRey is blatantly scum.
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Considering how you decided to play this (Tetris a la Avatar), you already dug your own grave. You might as well tell us what you know (not necessarily your role, but how you know what you know).
Considering how you decided to play this (Tetris a la Avatar), you already dug your own grave. You might as well tell us what you know (not necessarily your role, but how you know what you know).
Well since he's not an SK, I guess it's fair for me to say what I'm gonna do anyway, so whatever. I'm basically a Rolecop. I was going to investigate Seppel toNight to determine if he's a threat to the town or not. (I was originally going to check out kpaca since he was Unkillable and more likely to last the Night as such, but we see how that turned out.) But I find it incredibly unlikely that DRey is town and has a SuperTracker ability that tells him what ability the target uses because of that.
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Well since he's not an SK, I guess it's fair for me to say what I'm gonna do anyway, so whatever. I'm basically a Rolecop. I was going to investigate Seppel toNight to determine if he's a threat to the town or not. (I was originally going to check out kpaca since he was Unkillable and more likely to last the Night as such, but we see how that turned out.) But I find it incredibly unlikely that DRey is town and has a SuperTracker ability that tells him what ability the target uses because of that.
So it's a CC, that's what I was reading from the hints. Good to know that if DRey doesn't flip scum, you will. Not just on regular CCing principal, but also because you claimed Rolecop, generally a scum role, but there are town examples, so it's more of a minor point against.
I highly doubt it, but there is the possibility that you are both scum. It would be fairly redundant, which is why I doubt it. I'm convinced that at least one of you is scum though.
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@Iso: Why did you think, even for a second, that DRey could be town, given the roles you two claimed?
@Gricky: I was a 50/50 Rolecop in Cyberpunk Mafia.
@AE: I've seen it happen before, and succeed. Though that person wasn't actually intending to live past Day 2. Aside from that, though, I can't say I disagree.
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I sincerely hope there's some roleblock power in the town, because DRey's probably going to get his wish of Void surviving till night.
I'd feel comfortable adding Iso to my "probably town" list.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
GT do you really think scum would CC knowing it would be a townie lynch? That doesn't add up.
No, I don't, which is why I suspect DRey will be flipping scum. However, considering Iso has been a suspect today, he might consider a 1 for 1 play as scum. People have expressed their willingness to see Iso vigged, so if Iso thinks there's any chance of that happening, he might be willing to CC to get a dead townie out of it. Plus, the CC nearly guarantees DRey's lynch and there's not a guarantee that Iso is killed the next day, seeing as how he'll still have a chance to defend himself. Then he gets to use his powers of persuasion and a chance to talk his way out of trouble, which I believe Iso can and has done before.
It's not a likely situation at all. I'm just thinking ahead. As of right now, Iso's town and DRey can't be lynched quick enough.
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So it's a CC, that's what I was reading from the hints. Good to know that if DRey doesn't flip scum, you will. Not just on regular CCing principal, but also because you claimed Rolecop, generally a scum role, but there are town examples, so it's more of a minor point against.
GT do you really think scum would CC knowing it would be a townie lynch? That doesn't add up.
Shalako's done it before. Just sayin'.
@Cyouni: I didn't read his full claim at first. Only the "Tracker" part. Then I looked back for some reason and saw the whole thing.
@GT: Who has expressed interest in me being Vigged? Also, when did I become town in your eyes? I feel like you're saying "Iso is town, but we should possibly lynch him anyway at some point" in your posts.
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Ok, I'm on board with DRey as our lynch. I read back since he placed in, and his play has been immensly weird, and not in compliance with a very strong powerrole at all.
Not voting until votecount, I think he's at 8 but couldn't remember what the threshold was
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Ok, I'm on board with DRey as our lynch. I read back since he placed in, and his play has been immensly weird, and not in compliance with a very strong powerrole at all.
Not voting until votecount, I think he's at 8 but couldn't remember what the threshold was
Whats the point of being on board but not voting until a count? He has claimed. Plus he won't be around. What will a count do for you?
@GT: Who has expressed interest in me being Vigged? Also, when did I become town in your eyes? I feel like you're saying "Iso is town, but we should possibly lynch him anyway at some point" in your posts.
First, early in the day when you were a bigger subject, both Tordeck and I were all for vigging you if you weren't the lynch, which it didn't look like you were at any point.
As for when you became town, it happened when you CCed the scummiest player in the game so far. It's literally the only thing that's got me thinking you are town. Which is why I'm being careful not to ride that to the bank, I still find your play generally suspicious and overall scummy. I'm not setting up your mislynch, I'm just not letting you off the hook just for a CC of (probable) scum. Your hop on, hop off, hop on action regarding the DRey wagon towards the end was fishy too, but the CC stands and if DRey is scum, I'm way way more convinced that you might actually be town. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, but don't confuse that for an erasure of all doubt.
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Whats the point of being on board but not voting until a count? He has claimed. Plus he won't be around. What will a count do for you?
To make certain that I don't accidentally hammer if people felt they had more to say. By my count he's now at 10. Going back to search for votecounts that mention threshold, then probably vote.
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First, early in the day when you were a bigger subject, both Tordeck and I were all for vigging you if you weren't the lynch, which it didn't look like you were at any point.
As for when you became town, it happened when you CCed the scummiest player in the game so far. It's literally the only thing that's got me thinking you are town. Which is why I'm being careful not to ride that to the bank, I still find your play generally suspicious and overall scummy. I'm not setting up your mislynch, I'm just not letting you off the hook just for a CC of (probable) scum. Your hop on, hop off, hop on action regarding the DRey wagon towards the end was fishy too, but the CC stands and if DRey is scum, I'm way way more convinced that you might actually be town. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, but don't confuse that for an erasure of all doubt.
It makes me more suspicious of Iso than anything else.
Iso was saying DRey was town for awhile, and his post not too long before that said "Okay DRey is tracker let's lynch someone else". I think Iso realized DRey was going to be the lynch for the day, and he decided it would look really bad if he wasn't on the wagon. He couldn't just get on with no reason, he had to find a way on. Saying it would be saved for Day 2 was probably designed so he wouldn't be vigged. Also doing a false CC would set him up as town from his buddy's lynch.
I didn't fully read DRey's claim. I never had a strong opinion on DRey's alignment one way or the other until I saw that he was claiming to be a Tracker/Rolecop.
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It makes me more suspicious of Iso than anything else.
Iso was saying DRey was town for awhile, and his post not too long before that said "Okay DRey is tracker let's lynch someone else". I think Iso realized DRey was going to be the lynch for the day, and he decided it would look really bad if he wasn't on the wagon. He couldn't just get on with no reason, he had to find a way on. Saying it would be saved for Day 2 was probably designed so he wouldn't be vigged. Also doing a false CC would set him up as town from his buddy's lynch.
Iso's actions are suspicious, but if DRey flips scum and was truthful about being a tracker, just lied about being town, then Iso is town.
If DRey flips scum and it's some other role and he totally lied about the tracker bit, then I'm inclined to think Iso's scum too.
Currently though, I'm assuming that a majority of the information we have in front of us is the truth though. I say majority because DRey says he's town and I don't believe that for a second.
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Also, is it just me or do Aud's actions reek of not wanting to step on toes. Constant /barning and the recent "I want to vote but VC?" shenanigans. That's actually fine, worrying about the VC, but what gets me is AE comes in and says "Why do you care?" and Aud's response is basically "I guess I don't, here's the hammer!".
It just reads like Aud is trying to play the game on his tiptoes.
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Also, is it just me or do Aud's actions reek of not wanting to step on toes. Constant /barning and the recent "I want to vote but VC?" shenanigans. That's actually fine, worrying about the VC, but what gets me is AE comes in and says "Why do you care?" and Aud's response is basically "I guess I don't, here's the hammer!".
It just reads like Aud is trying to play the game on his tiptoes.
I lol'd. You beat me to this. Just got home and read up. He replies with I don't want to hammer by mistake, just in case people had things to say. Soooooooo, 4 posts later with only 4 different people posting he votes.
So I see it as "I don't want to accidentally hammer, let me check to votes........Yup he's at 10 lynch is 11, VOTE, thats the hammer.
I got no idea what I thought. I counted to 10, read 11 and my brain totally malfunctioned and figured that 10 + 1 =/= 11. So... weird. If only I could blame drunk, but I can't. So I'll blame tired.
Doesn't look like it did any damage though, as discussion is pretty much stalled anyway and we seem to all agree that DRey is the lynch. Also looks like the mod is pretty slow to respond, seeing as we have had an entire day to continue after the hammer fell. Assuming I counted correctly in the first place, that is.
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I got no idea what I thought. I counted to 10, read 11 and my brain totally malfunctioned and figured that 10 + 1 =/= 11. So... weird. If only I could blame drunk, but I can't. So I'll blame tired.
Doesn't look like it did any damage though, as discussion is pretty much stalled anyway and we seem to all agree that DRey is the lynch. Also looks like the mod is pretty slow to respond, seeing as we have had an entire day to continue after the hammer fell. Assuming I counted correctly in the first place, that is.
Which is why I asked the qustion in the first place.
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Because then your CC looks like a ploy. If it turns out that DRey is scum-something else, then you still claimed rolecop, which is a pretty scummy role. However, what's more important is that it makes me think DRey claimed what he did so that you might have a chance to earn easy town points by CCing.
There is honestly too many variables, I'm talking about several different scenario's that are dependent on the lynch and it's really fruitless. Let's just get to the damn lynch so I can have a solid state of mind, I hate overthinking things.
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I got no idea what I thought. I counted to 10, read 11 and my brain totally malfunctioned and figured that 10 + 1 =/= 11. So... weird. If only I could blame drunk, but I can't. So I'll blame tired.
Doesn't look like it did any damage though, as discussion is pretty much stalled anyway and we seem to all agree that DRey is the lynch. Also looks like the mod is pretty slow to respond, seeing as we have had an entire day to continue after the hammer fell. Assuming I counted correctly in the first place, that is.
Just a slip of the ol' keyboard, eh Audinho?
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Because then your CC looks like a ploy. If it turns out that DRey is scum-something else, then you still claimed rolecop, which is a pretty scummy role. However, what's more important is that it makes me think DRey claimed what he did so that you might have a chance to earn easy town points by CCing.
There is honestly too many variables, I'm talking about several different scenario's that are dependent on the lynch and it's really fruitless. Let's just get to the damn lynch so I can have a solid state of mind, I hate overthinking things.
This seems way to fimilar too Basic #63 Homestruck. Goijng back to do some research.
Do you think the claim is phoney, or that the role is too OP for town? Or both? Or neither?
I'm digesting everything about DRey at the moment. I've seen too many recent time where someone claimed DRey to be a certain alignment and him not be the alignment when he flipped. His play here has been poor at best.
The first time I read it I misread it and thought oh hey he is a type of tracker. After reading Gricky's post I realized that he can confirm two people. Given that his role has some major balance concerns as stated on a townie and his horrible play I feel that at the very least he is lying about being town and at the most he is lying about being town and his ability.
Why would a scum DRey try to save a town Void?
(I know this question assumes a lot, but I'm hoping some of the more veteran players have an answer because I'm certain DRey is smarter than a "1:1" player.)
Occam's Razor: For town credit?
1. I have serious doubts about Void being town. But there is enough fog surrounding him that I don't think he is the best lynch for today.
2. As to an answer to your question if DRey is scum and Void is town then scum DRey would try to "save" town Void for town cred and for the fact that it looked like void was going to be lynched.
No, you misunderstood the meaning of my sentence. Should have been more clear: Cyouni has made more townie posts lately, so I no longer want to lynch him so intensely as before.
And, I'm not going to state this twice: can you please get off my ass on the barning?
Seriously, I analysed the two wagons when I thought Void was dead town, got indicative evidence from it which could be expanded on if anyone bothered to read back in this game, but I have not had the time to do so myself because I'm have a bloody vacation and real people that require my attention. What I would like to do is see all of Wheats, Megs and Cyuoni, to see if the ever voted eachother, whom of them voted for the claimed neutrals and stuff.
Wheat pulled a latin gambit which is actually working, because nobody bothers to read him back since half his game is in a dead language which nobody understands without translators. All his reasons for voting back then are hidden behind this.
And yes, I'm fencesitting on the DRey issue, as I believed he was town but now has a suspicion I've been had and my trusting person has been violated. I will not decide my stance on this until I have a chance to actually read him back, because I don't feel like just putting my finger in the air and vote in the wet direction at this stage of the game. There are so many posts in this game that there's really no need to vote out of gut, one should be able to find actual "proof" of scummyness if one does the legwork.
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Vote: DRey'
Barning others.
How certain are you of this? Why not explain it now, or at least give a few pointers?
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Why would a scum DRey offer himself as a lynch, or try to get himself lynched, in order to save a town Void?
Oh hey look.
Why am I completely not surprised.
You have no reason why you shouldn't say it today.
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Just in case I die (since I've been doing a lot of it recently):
GrickyTimmick is very probably town.
Seppel is very probably telling the truth.
Tordeck is probably town.
Arcadic is probably scum.
AsianInvasion is probably town.
Wessel I'm leaning towards town on.
Audinho is very probably town.
Void is blatantly scum.
Arnnaria is probably town.
DRey is blatantly scum.
They both had the same number of votes, I'd rather vote the guy who's able to defend themselves over the guy who's back is turned. It was enough to tip the otherwise equal balance. It's not a bad lynch so much as a not as good lynch.
Now it's no longer equal; DRey has more votes by far. Thus, he earns mine as well.
Unvote, Vote: DRey
About 85%.
And because.
Wrong.
Except...I do.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
1. Nice timing.
2. Tell us now.
We are not at a point in the game where Lynch All Lurkers is a viable strategy.
The simplest thing to do would be to read his posts from when he replaced in to when he stated that he would rather die than let Void be lynched (so long as Seppel or myself would be lynched next). I recently provided links to these posts.
/barn
1. Thanks!
2. No.
Role information.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Considering how you decided to play this (Tetris a la Avatar), you already dug your own grave. You might as well tell us what you know (not necessarily your role, but how you know what you know).
Yeah me.
unvote vote DRey
spill it tomorrow iso.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Well since he's not an SK, I guess it's fair for me to say what I'm gonna do anyway, so whatever. I'm basically a Rolecop. I was going to investigate Seppel toNight to determine if he's a threat to the town or not. (I was originally going to check out kpaca since he was Unkillable and more likely to last the Night as such, but we see how that turned out.) But I find it incredibly unlikely that DRey is town and has a SuperTracker ability that tells him what ability the target uses because of that.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The Family
So it's a CC, that's what I was reading from the hints. Good to know that if DRey doesn't flip scum, you will. Not just on regular CCing principal, but also because you claimed Rolecop, generally a scum role, but there are town examples, so it's more of a minor point against.
I highly doubt it, but there is the possibility that you are both scum. It would be fairly redundant, which is why I doubt it. I'm convinced that at least one of you is scum though.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
@Gricky: I was a 50/50 Rolecop in Cyberpunk Mafia.
@AE: I've seen it happen before, and succeed. Though that person wasn't actually intending to live past Day 2. Aside from that, though, I can't say I disagree.
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I sincerely hope there's some roleblock power in the town, because DRey's probably going to get his wish of Void surviving till night.
I'd feel comfortable adding Iso to my "probably town" list.
Having him lynched while he's gone, seems unsporting but we have a deadline
I am not a cop variant. Plus I doubt there were any night 0 actions. So anything I come up with is postulation (fancy word for theory).
12-11? I'm losing track
No, I don't, which is why I suspect DRey will be flipping scum. However, considering Iso has been a suspect today, he might consider a 1 for 1 play as scum. People have expressed their willingness to see Iso vigged, so if Iso thinks there's any chance of that happening, he might be willing to CC to get a dead townie out of it. Plus, the CC nearly guarantees DRey's lynch and there's not a guarantee that Iso is killed the next day, seeing as how he'll still have a chance to defend himself. Then he gets to use his powers of persuasion and a chance to talk his way out of trouble, which I believe Iso can and has done before.
It's not a likely situation at all. I'm just thinking ahead. As of right now, Iso's town and DRey can't be lynched quick enough.
If I may take a page from Seppel:
> setting up multiple mislynches
Shalako's done it before. Just sayin'.
@Cyouni: I didn't read his full claim at first. Only the "Tracker" part. Then I looked back for some reason and saw the whole thing.
@GT: Who has expressed interest in me being Vigged? Also, when did I become town in your eyes? I feel like you're saying "Iso is town, but we should possibly lynch him anyway at some point" in your posts.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Not voting until votecount, I think he's at 8 but couldn't remember what the threshold was
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Whats the point of being on board but not voting until a count? He has claimed. Plus he won't be around. What will a count do for you?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I can't see anything more coming out of this Day. Unvote, Vote DRey
If there is someone who can roleblock Void, that'd be great.
First, early in the day when you were a bigger subject, both Tordeck and I were all for vigging you if you weren't the lynch, which it didn't look like you were at any point.
As for when you became town, it happened when you CCed the scummiest player in the game so far. It's literally the only thing that's got me thinking you are town. Which is why I'm being careful not to ride that to the bank, I still find your play generally suspicious and overall scummy. I'm not setting up your mislynch, I'm just not letting you off the hook just for a CC of (probable) scum. Your hop on, hop off, hop on action regarding the DRey wagon towards the end was fishy too, but the CC stands and if DRey is scum, I'm way way more convinced that you might actually be town. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, but don't confuse that for an erasure of all doubt.
Vote DRey for great justice
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
To make certain that I don't accidentally hammer if people felt they had more to say. By my count he's now at 10. Going back to search for votecounts that mention threshold, then probably vote.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
unvote, vote DRey
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
It makes me more suspicious of Iso than anything else.
Iso was saying DRey was town for awhile, and his post not too long before that said "Okay DRey is tracker let's lynch someone else". I think Iso realized DRey was going to be the lynch for the day, and he decided it would look really bad if he wasn't on the wagon. He couldn't just get on with no reason, he had to find a way on. Saying it would be saved for Day 2 was probably designed so he wouldn't be vigged. Also doing a false CC would set him up as town from his buddy's lynch.
I didn't fully read DRey's claim. I never had a strong opinion on DRey's alignment one way or the other until I saw that he was claiming to be a Tracker/Rolecop.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso's actions are suspicious, but if DRey flips scum and was truthful about being a tracker, just lied about being town, then Iso is town.
If DRey flips scum and it's some other role and he totally lied about the tracker bit, then I'm inclined to think Iso's scum too.
Currently though, I'm assuming that a majority of the information we have in front of us is the truth though. I say majority because DRey says he's town and I don't believe that for a second.
Also, is it just me or do Aud's actions reek of not wanting to step on toes. Constant /barning and the recent "I want to vote but VC?" shenanigans. That's actually fine, worrying about the VC, but what gets me is AE comes in and says "Why do you care?" and Aud's response is basically "I guess I don't, here's the hammer!".
It just reads like Aud is trying to play the game on his tiptoes.
I lol'd. You beat me to this. Just got home and read up. He replies with I don't want to hammer by mistake, just in case people had things to say. Soooooooo, 4 posts later with only 4 different people posting he votes.
So I see it as "I don't want to accidentally hammer, let me check to votes........Yup he's at 10 lynch is 11, VOTE, thats the hammer.
???? So explain your thinking here Aud.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Doesn't look like it did any damage though, as discussion is pretty much stalled anyway and we seem to all agree that DRey is the lynch. Also looks like the mod is pretty slow to respond, seeing as we have had an entire day to continue after the hammer fell. Assuming I counted correctly in the first place, that is.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Which is why I asked the qustion in the first place.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
The Family
Why?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I wanted to be certain. Which I now am.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Because then your CC looks like a ploy. If it turns out that DRey is scum-something else, then you still claimed rolecop, which is a pretty scummy role. However, what's more important is that it makes me think DRey claimed what he did so that you might have a chance to earn easy town points by CCing.
There is honestly too many variables, I'm talking about several different scenario's that are dependent on the lynch and it's really fruitless. Let's just get to the damn lynch so I can have a solid state of mind, I hate overthinking things.
Just a slip of the ol' keyboard, eh Audinho?
This seems way to fimilar too Basic #63 Homestruck. Goijng back to do some research.