there are at least 7 players in the game whose wincondition differs from that of the town's.
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Void why did you state the number of anti-town players and not the number of scum, specifically?
We got a number that doesn't confirm anything while the scum presumably just got handed the number of neutrals in the game.
Can you please double check the statements you plan on blue truthing before you do it? I don't want to tip any more info to the scum.
It's possible that your ability is just some sort of literal genie trap and charm would have given that answer no matter how you phrased it, but I'd ask that you please check before using it again.
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
The key word here is "at least", so the scum know there are 7 to 7+ different win cons.
So if there are X scum, then there are (7-x) to (7-x)+ different win cons.
The numbers are still up in the air, but it's vague enough to be interpreted a variety of ways.
No, not the number of win conditions - the number of players with a non-town win condition.
RE: Void's ability: Void's ability is pretty useless on mafia, especially given that kpaca and Seppel claimed on Day 1. So Wessel, that should answer your question about AI, given that there are 5 scum if both kpaca and Seppel are Neutral. If not, then there would be a counterclaim in the wings. However, given the number of living players, that indicates to me that either one of the Neutrals is anti-town or the mafia is very high-powered. Meaning Void is town.
Also, as an aside, I'd like to apologize for butting heads with anyone earlier if it was taken beyond the game. I'm gonna try to cool down a bit.
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Charm said there were at least seven non-towns in this game. Also, my question regarding Seppel and AsianI would teach us something about whether AsianI lied in this post. If it comes out they do share their wincon, it's likely that AsianI is scum for lying, which means it's also very well possible that Seppel is scum.
Then there would be counterclaims. Srs.
I think Wessel is a good lead at this point, as much as I'd still like to lynch Megiddo.
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I still don't see why that's so... Can you explain it to me please?
"There are 7 players with non-town win conditions."
Meaning that if kpaca and Seppel weren't Neutrals, the actual Neutrals would counterclaim them so that they could at least appear pro-town and as such the town would have some incentive to keep them alive because they counterclaimed the falseclaiming mafia.
Because there's no way there are less than 5 mafia in this game.
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That sums up my feelings pretty well. Still, Void's ability is useful enough to warrant keeping him alive for a short period of time. We should probably ask all the questions before the end of Day 1 though, in case he's town and the scum would NK him.
In the meantime, I approve of the mass wagon-hop. Unvote, Vote: Wessel
Lost the first round to a buzz saw with Garruk. Sad thing is, we played two more games after those first two and I won both, handily. Lost the first game of Round 2 to mana screw, then won the next six games to finish 3-1 overall.
It was a lot of fun.
Almost as much fun as lynching Void will be (though Iso would be even more fun). I agree with Seppel's assessment of what's true/false about Void's claim.
Man, I had a blast at the prerelease. I somehow went 4-0 with an RW aggro deck. I should've lost the third round, but I drew Staff of Nin twice, and that card basically turns the game completely around.
So Void is at least truthful about his ability. Seeing how Void can apparently ask about win conditions, I have some questions I'd like to see answered that I think are possible to be asked by Void.
- Do Seppel and AsianI have the same win condition?
- Are there at least three/four players who don't share the win condition with the town currently on the Void wagon?
- Is it possible that multiple (or perhaps three or more?) kills occur at night?
- Are there multiple scum factions?
- Who is more handsome, Seppel or Iso?
I don't know what can and cannot be asked by Void to Charm, and some are more useful than others, but I think these are all possible. Anyone else got some good ones?
I like the second question specifically, if it can be asked. If we ask it though, we should have kpaca and Seppel step off the wagon first though.
So Void doesn't defend himself, and instead claims some obscure ability that has no significant bearing on his alignment, and people just start jumping ship?
Something is very wrong with the early bailers.
@People who unvoted Void: Are you comfortable with Void not defending himself?
So Void doesn't defend himself, and instead claims some obscure ability that has no significant bearing on his alignment, and people just start jumping ship?
How do you think Void's ability makes sense on mafia, unless it's a red herring from the mod? Do you really think the scumteam is that weak?
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Almost as much fun as lynching Void will be (though Iso would be even more fun). I agree with Seppel's assessment of what's true/false about Void's claim.
I do not see this response coming from someone who is town. Barning a vague assessment and not doing any of your own analysis to stay on a wagon is a rather poor.
So Void is at least truthful about his ability. Seeing how Void can apparently ask about win conditions, I have some questions I'd like to see answered that I think are possible to be asked by Void.
- Do Seppel and AsianI have the same win condition?
- Are there at least three/four players who don't share the win condition with the town currently on the Void wagon?
- Is it possible that multiple (or perhaps three or more?) kills occur at night?
- Are there multiple scum factions?
- Who is more handsome, Seppel or Iso?
I don't know what can and cannot be asked by Void to Charm, and some are more useful than others, but I think these are all possible. Anyone else got some good ones?
What would I have gained from lying about an ability that could be easily be proved false? (Rhetorical)
First question would not be answered.
Second question could work. I’ll PM ModCharm prior to asking and wait for the town to decide on whether the ability should be used on that questions.
Third question will work.
Fourth question might work. Would need to check with ModCharm
Fifth questions… well… hmmm… I would have to say Seppel. Yummy.
Void why did you state the number of anti-town players and not the number of scum, specifically?
We got a number that doesn't confirm anything while the scum presumably just got handed the number of neutrals in the game.
Can you please double check the statements you plan on blue truthing before you do it? I don't want to tip any more info to the scum.
It's possible that your ability is just some sort of literal genie trap and charm would have given that answer no matter how you phrased it, but I'd ask that you please check before using it again.
Seeing as how the town needs to get rid of the anti-town players in order to win I thought it best to do so.
I will check with the town from now on. Not you though. Your obviously scum, IMO, from this one post.
RE: Void's ability: Void's ability is pretty useless on mafia, especially given that kpaca and Seppel claimed on Day 1. So Wessel, that should answer your question about AI, given that there are 5 scum if both kpaca and Seppel are Neutral. If not, then there would be a counterclaim in the wings. However, given the number of living players, that indicates to me that either one of the Neutrals is anti-town or the mafia is very high-powered. Meaning Void is town.
The bolded is the reason why I posted 7. I assumed 5 Mafioso in the game and added those who claimed Neutral. I’m willing to believe Kpaca’s and Seppel claims for the time being based on ModCharm’s response.
That sums up my feelings pretty well. Still, Void's ability is useful enough to warrant keeping him alive for a short period of time. We should probably ask all the questions before the end of Day 1 though, in case he's town and the scum would NK him.
In the meantime, I approve of the mass wagon-hop. Unvote, Vote: Wessel
I would also add to the list:
- Do the scum have daychat?
Why do foresee the Mafioso NKing me tonight if my ability is not used fully?
Why are you trying to rush my ability? It has the potential of getting stronger as the Days go by.
Why do you approve of the mass wagon-hop onto Wessel?
So Void doesn't defend himself, and instead claims some obscure ability that has no significant bearing on his alignment, and people just start jumping ship?
Something is very wrong with the early bailers.
@People who unvoted Void: Are you comfortable with Void not defending himself?
Did you miss the part where Iso explains in detail about my ability and the question I asked? Or do you have a different belief other than that?
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I don't even know how you can come to that conclusion after seeing one ability!
Even if you include DH's ability as the two publicly confirmed abilities, I don't see how doubting potential weakness of the scumteam is your conclusion!
Kpaca hands out starfish! I just have to target AI!
I don't even know how you can come to that conclusion after seeing one ability!
Even if you include DH's ability as the two publicly confirmed abilities, I don't see how doubting potential weakness of the scumteam is your conclusion!
Kpaca hands out starfish! I just have to target AI!
YOUR QUESTION MAKES NO SENSE!
Would you like me to walk you through it?
If there are only two Neutrals (you and kpaca) and are both what you claim (not anti-town), then there is not nearly enough anti-town power for this setup if Void's ability can only tell him things publicly, based on what I've seen from DH's ability. Plus, you forget I also have an ability.
Point is, if that's all there is to Void's ability (as he has proven at least that much of it), and he's scum, then there's an issue with the balancing in this game.
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Do you believe that I would be able to obtain certain details about the Mafioso through my abililty that would make me a legit target on me from the Mafioso?
How not? The more information in the thread the more questions I would be able to ask.
Why do you believe Wessel is scum?
Seppel:
I could care less about the case you have against me. Your a claimed neutral who could be a Mafioso in hiding. While I do believe your claim for the moment, I do not trust your posts and therefore your case.
The talks have become very heated, the commander noted from above. She had already considered taking another shot to prove her point...but she'd pray that the girls sorted things out. Gods, this was going to be a long affair. The sun was setting too...and despite magic and all its perks, teenage girls often need sleep in order to function rationally. Magic infused speech flooded the air as the woman instinctively covered her eyes before a blinding burst covered the area.
"Is anyone hurt? What happened?" A quick head count...everything seems to be alright. Using such wide area magic in a place like this...the effects could be devastating.
Thankfully, as far as any of you can tell, you can't recall seeing anyone missing. The twenty-one of you continue cussing and discussing, but between hunger and sleep, things will have to stop for tonight sooner rather than later.
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If there are only two Neutrals (you and kpaca) and are both what you claim (not anti-town), then there is not nearly enough anti-town power for this setup if Void's ability can only tell him things publicly, based on what I've seen from DH's ability. Plus, you forget I also have an ability.
Point is, if that's all there is to Void's ability (as he has proven at least that much of it), and he's scum, then there's an issue with the balancing in this game.
Do you believe that I would be able to obtain certain details about the Mafioso through my abililty that would make me a legit target on me from the Mafioso?
Yes.
How not? The more information in the thread the more questions I would be able to ask.
Fair enough.
Why do you believe Wessel is scum?
AE's amazing case on him.
Seppel:
I could care less about the case you have against me. Your a claimed neutral who could be a Mafioso in hiding. While I do believe your claim for the moment, I do not trust your posts and therefore your case.
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THE NAIL IN VOID'S COFFIN
(A.K.A.: The Case on Void, Part 2)
I have cased Void before. I cased him incorrectly. He was town and I thought he was mafia. Comparing the cases and his reactions side-by-side, you can see that his claimed mindset is the same, but his actions are dramatically different.
Seppel:
I could care less about the case you have against me. Your a claimed neutral who could be a Mafioso in hiding. While I do believe your claim for the moment, I do not trust your posts and therefore your case.
Having cased Void before, I knew that his response would be critical to my judgment of him. He has not acted remotely the same as he did in The Last Airbender mafia, but his mindset, as he puts it, is virtually the same -- "I believe that you and Tezz are the last two scums of the game." versus "Your a claimed neutral who could be a Mafioso in hiding. While I do believe your claim for the moment, I do not trust your posts and therefore your case."
Even when Void thought I was mafia in TLA Mafia, he gave me a proper, full rebuttal to the case on him. Here, after having plenty of time to do so, he has given no defense.
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WG:
You do realize that Seppel is willing to lynch regardless of what your alignment is, because of you unvoting me without me giving a defense.
And now Void is just straight up lying. I said, "Something is very wrong with the early bailers," and Void has re-interpreted to mean "I would be willing to lynch anyone who unvoted Void," which is entirely false.
THE NAIL IN VOID'S COFFIN
(A.K.A.: The Case on Void, Part 2)
I have cased Void before. I cased him incorrectly. He was town and I thought he was mafia. Comparing the cases and his reactions side-by-side, you can see that his claimed mindset is the same, but his actions are dramatically different.
* After a premature claim and not responding to the case, I finally get this as the response to my case:
Having cased Void before, I knew that his response would be critical to my judgment of him. He has not acted remotely the same as he did in The Last Airbender mafia, but his mindset, as he puts it, is virtually the same -- "I believe that you and Tezz are the last two scums of the game." versus "Your a claimed neutral who could be a Mafioso in hiding. While I do believe your claim for the moment, I do not trust your posts and therefore your case."
Even when Void thought I was mafia in TLA Mafia, he gave me a proper, full rebuttal to the case on him. Here, after having plenty of time to do so, he has given no defense.
Void is mafia.
Please note that Seppel is comparing a Basic game to a Speciality.
Seppel was indeed town in TLA, but never confirmed until he was dead.
Seppel is a claimed Neutral in this game that has not been confirmed and has been rather anti-town since the start of the game.
If this was Town Seppel pushing this case, then the case would have more strength behind it, but since we all know Seppel is not town, then the case is he pushing does not hold nearly as much strength. (IMO, none at all)
One last thing to note. TLA was my first game on this site.
Iso:
You may not want to worry about Seppel, but I am.
Stop trying to bail out your buddy. It's embarrassing.
no u
Seriously, what's the point of even saying this? If I were scum, I wouldn't admit it, and being as I'm not, you're just taking up more space with your posts - not contributing at all. "Iso is scum derf." I don't even remember why you think I'm scum.
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So who does the case need to come from for you to respond to it?
Because, as of last votecount, there are still seven people on your wagon. Doesn't that incentivize you to respond to a case regardless of who is pushing it?
So who does the case need to come from for you to respond to it?
Because, as of last votecount, there are still seven people on your wagon. Doesn't that incentivize you to respond to a case regardless of who is pushing it?
So who does the case need to come from for you to respond to it?
Because, as of last votecount, there are still seven people on your wagon. Doesn't that incentivize you to respond to a case regardless of who is pushing it?
Someone that I can trust in this game. I did defend against the most recent though, but that was a horrid of a push.
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there are at least 7 players in the game whose wincondition differs from that of the town's.
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I know the answer to that question!
We got a number that doesn't confirm anything while the scum presumably just got handed the number of neutrals in the game.
Can you please double check the statements you plan on blue truthing before you do it? I don't want to tip any more info to the scum.
It's possible that your ability is just some sort of literal genie trap and charm would have given that answer no matter how you phrased it, but I'd ask that you please check before using it again.
So if there are X scum, then there are (7-x) to (7-x)+ different win cons.
The numbers are still up in the air, but it's vague enough to be interpreted a variety of ways.
I think we all know the answer to that question. ;D Sorry Sep.
No, not the number of win conditions - the number of players with a non-town win condition.
RE: Void's ability: Void's ability is pretty useless on mafia, especially given that kpaca and Seppel claimed on Day 1. So Wessel, that should answer your question about AI, given that there are 5 scum if both kpaca and Seppel are Neutral. If not, then there would be a counterclaim in the wings. However, given the number of living players, that indicates to me that either one of the Neutrals is anti-town or the mafia is very high-powered. Meaning Void is town.
Also, as an aside, I'd like to apologize for butting heads with anyone earlier if it was taken beyond the game. I'm gonna try to cool down a bit.
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I don't understand how that ability can be not-town.
I don't really understand the ability either, but that is for another day and a netter connection.
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I 2nd Void running questions by us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Then there would be counterclaims. Srs.
I think Wessel is a good lead at this point, as much as I'd still like to lynch Megiddo.
Unvote, Vote Wessel
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That's what I meant, but I phrased it wrong.
Either way, I was trying to rebut Megs that Void had given scum information on a silver platter, is all.
I think I just destroyed my sinuses with the cinnamon challenge.
So I'm gonna try my best to be as useful as possible for the rest of the game and attempt to NOT create huge walls of text to illustrate my points.
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"There are 7 players with non-town win conditions."
Meaning that if kpaca and Seppel weren't Neutrals, the actual Neutrals would counterclaim them so that they could at least appear pro-town and as such the town would have some incentive to keep them alive because they counterclaimed the falseclaiming mafia.
Because there's no way there are less than 5 mafia in this game.
Understand?
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That sums up my feelings pretty well. Still, Void's ability is useful enough to warrant keeping him alive for a short period of time. We should probably ask all the questions before the end of Day 1 though, in case he's town and the scum would NK him.
In the meantime, I approve of the mass wagon-hop. Unvote, Vote: Wessel
Man, I had a blast at the prerelease. I somehow went 4-0 with an RW aggro deck. I should've lost the third round, but I drew Staff of Nin twice, and that card basically turns the game completely around.
Excellent.
I like the second question specifically, if it can be asked. If we ask it though, we should have kpaca and Seppel step off the wagon first though.
I would also add to the list:
- Do the scum have daychat?
Something is very wrong with the early bailers.
@People who unvoted Void: Are you comfortable with Void not defending himself?
It's ok. Recently I've been able to cope with being overwhelmingly attractive.
How do you think Void's ability makes sense on mafia, unless it's a red herring from the mod? Do you really think the scumteam is that weak?
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I forgot all about this. No I am not comfortable with it and want to see his defense.
Demerit! *whap*
I've seen modgaming end very badly lately. Remember Legend of Aang?
Sorry about missing this one. Had I seen it prior to leaving work I would have responded to you.
As for the answer: Magical Proclamation
I do not see this response coming from someone who is town. Barning a vague assessment and not doing any of your own analysis to stay on a wagon is a rather poor.
ModCharm:
Thank you, ModCharm. You also have a couple PM’s waiting for you.
What would I have gained from lying about an ability that could be easily be proved false? (Rhetorical)
First question would not be answered.
Second question could work. I’ll PM ModCharm prior to asking and wait for the town to decide on whether the ability should be used on that questions.
Third question will work.
Fourth question might work. Would need to check with ModCharm
Fifth questions… well… hmmm… I would have to say Seppel. Yummy.
Seeing as how the town needs to get rid of the anti-town players in order to win I thought it best to do so.
I will check with the town from now on. Not you though. Your obviously scum, IMO, from this one post.
Unvote
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Rick SantorumMegiddoThe bolded is the reason why I posted 7. I assumed 5 Mafioso in the game and added those who claimed Neutral. I’m willing to believe Kpaca’s and Seppel claims for the time being based on ModCharm’s response.
How can you see the ability as a town ability when you don’t understand how it works?
That’s a non-issue on my side. I should have asked prior to posting.
Going after Wessel isn’t a bad idea, but Megiddo and Audinho look much better in my eyes.
Why do foresee the Mafioso NKing me tonight if my ability is not used fully?
Why are you trying to rush my ability? It has the potential of getting stronger as the Days go by.
Why do you approve of the mass wagon-hop onto Wessel?
The question you want asked would be useful.
Did you miss the part where Iso explains in detail about my ability and the question I asked? Or do you have a different belief other than that?
Which early bailers concern you?
Why are you so interested in my defense?
NOPE
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There's either more to his role or it is indeed a red herring.
Huge FoS: Iso
I don't even know how you can come to that conclusion after seeing one ability!
Even if you include DH's ability as the two publicly confirmed abilities, I don't see how doubting potential weakness of the scumteam is your conclusion!
Kpaca hands out starfish! I just have to target AI!
YOUR QUESTION MAKES NO SENSE!
Why does Iso need to explain your ability?
All of them.
What do you think about my case on you?
Would you like me to walk you through it?
If there are only two Neutrals (you and kpaca) and are both what you claim (not anti-town), then there is not nearly enough anti-town power for this setup if Void's ability can only tell him things publicly, based on what I've seen from DH's ability. Plus, you forget I also have an ability.
Point is, if that's all there is to Void's ability (as he has proven at least that much of it), and he's scum, then there's an issue with the balancing in this game.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If you are town, they may NK you to prevent info.
How so?
Because Wessel is scum.
Unvote, Vote: Void
Do you believe that I would be able to obtain certain details about the Mafioso through my abililty that would make me a legit target on me from the Mafioso?
How not? The more information in the thread the more questions I would be able to ask.
Why do you believe Wessel is scum?
Seppel:
I could care less about the case you have against me. Your a claimed neutral who could be a Mafioso in hiding. While I do believe your claim for the moment, I do not trust your posts and therefore your case.
He doesn’t need to explain my ability. He just happened to do so in my absence. Is this bothersome to you? If yes, then why?
Did you have scum reads on “all of them” prior to them unvoting?
Got some answers from ModCharm involving questions. The following have been approved to ask:
Is it possible that multiple (or perhaps three or more?) kills occur at night?
Are there multiple scum factions?
Do the Mafioso have DayChat?
"Is anyone hurt? What happened?" A quick head count...everything seems to be alright. Using such wide area magic in a place like this...the effects could be devastating.
Thankfully, as far as any of you can tell, you can't recall seeing anyone missing. The twenty-one of you continue cussing and discussing, but between hunger and sleep, things will have to stop for tonight sooner rather than later.
Void (7) - Seppel, Cyouni, AsianInvasion, Megiddo, Arcadic, Deaths_Vampire, Wheat_Grinder
Megiddo (3) - Guardman, Prophylaxis, Void
Wessel (3) - Archmage_Eternal, Iso, Wessel
Iso (2) - Ahlyis, Infinis
Tordeck (1) - Arnnaria
Deaths_Vampire (1) - Tordeck
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch.
A temporary deadline has been set for midnight EDT on July 14th, when Saturday becomes Sunday. This deadline may be extended up to 2 weeks further at my prerogative.
Prophylaxis and Infinis have been prodded.
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How was he able to explain it in your absence?
No, and that is irrelevant, since we weren't talking about alignments.
BRB, about to burn Void.
Look at this posts along with Wessel's. They had a back and forth in which iso explained my ability.
You just admitted that you will lynch anyone who moves since alignment is not involved.
Vote: Seppel
Yes.
Fair enough.
AE's amazing case on him.
How does that make the case less legitimate?
How is that a handwave? What did I not answer? and no u
also hi DRey
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
(A.K.A.: The Case on Void, Part 2)
I have cased Void before. I cased him incorrectly. He was town and I thought he was mafia. Comparing the cases and his reactions side-by-side, you can see that his claimed mindset is the same, but his actions are dramatically different.
The Last Airbender Mafia:
* My Case: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=7481166&postcount=622
* Void's response to the case: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=7483702&postcount=641
* My rebuttal: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=7484135&postcount=644
* Void's follow-through: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=7484370&postcount=646
And then he was lynched.
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Magical Girl Mafia:
* My case: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=8640111&postcount=965
* After a premature claim and not responding to the case, I finally get this as the response to my case:
Having cased Void before, I knew that his response would be critical to my judgment of him. He has not acted remotely the same as he did in The Last Airbender mafia, but his mindset, as he puts it, is virtually the same -- "I believe that you and Tezz are the last two scums of the game." versus "Your a claimed neutral who could be a Mafioso in hiding. While I do believe your claim for the moment, I do not trust your posts and therefore your case."
Even when Void thought I was mafia in TLA Mafia, he gave me a proper, full rebuttal to the case on him. Here, after having plenty of time to do so, he has given no defense.
Void is mafia.
It's a matter of perspective I guess? :shurg:
Why are you trusting Seppel as such?
HA.
HA HA HA HA HA.
You do realize that Seppel is willing to lynch regardless of what your alignment is, because of you unvoting me without me giving a defense.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And I'll be joining him soon.
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And now Void is just straight up lying. I said, "Something is very wrong with the early bailers," and Void has re-interpreted to mean "I would be willing to lynch anyone who unvoted Void," which is entirely false.
And he is once again ignoring the case.
Stop trying to bail out your buddy. It's embarrassing.
Please note that Seppel is comparing a Basic game to a Speciality.
Seppel was indeed town in TLA, but never confirmed until he was dead.
Seppel is a claimed Neutral in this game that has not been confirmed and has been rather anti-town since the start of the game.
If this was Town Seppel pushing this case, then the case would have more strength behind it, but since we all know Seppel is not town, then the case is he pushing does not hold nearly as much strength. (IMO, none at all)
One last thing to note. TLA was my first game on this site.
Iso:
You may not want to worry about Seppel, but I am.
no u
Seriously, what's the point of even saying this? If I were scum, I wouldn't admit it, and being as I'm not, you're just taking up more space with your posts - not contributing at all. "Iso is scum derf." I don't even remember why you think I'm scum.
I repeat that Seppel will not be an issue.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because, as of last votecount, there are still seven people on your wagon. Doesn't that incentivize you to respond to a case regardless of who is pushing it?
Iso nathed me. Those questions are for Void.
Someone that I can trust in this game. I did defend against the most recent though, but that was a horrid of a push.
I'm not concerned about 7 people voting for me.
Why not?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because I am town and I know that I will be help to the town by the time I do get lynched. And that is if I get lynched.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It would be stupid of me not too.
Then there is currently no reason to pursue Void as a lynch candidate.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
His claim is confirmed and he will be asking questions that we put out and agree with.
My concern is the valid case quote he said about himself and the "I'm not gonna defend myself because I'll look scummy" crap.
It's a great idea. No they don't.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
You can see through my eyes?
I'm not trusting Seppel, I'm listening to the merits of his case.
Not the place for it.
Now do stuff like that to the big case, please.