Because reactions to the meta case can be used. Mine on Iso may have been flawed but it worked to show his scum nature in this game via his reactions to my case.
"You're wrong, here's why. _______."
Total scum reaction.
If there were an award for "vaguest Mafia player", I would nominate you for this game alone.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
1) What do you think of Void?
2) Why aren't you voting Void?
1. Strongly, leaning scum.
2. I'm trying to decipher who I trust between Iso and Gricky. I'm waiting for a response from Gricky, but unless he claims Athena, Goddess of Virtue and Light, I'm pretty much leaning in the direction that Iso is town.
1. Strongly, leaning scum.
2. I'm trying to decipher who I trust between Iso and Gricky. I'm waiting for a response from Gricky, but unless he claims Athena, Goddess of Virtue and Light, I'm pretty much leaning in the direction that Iso is town.
Athena did enough wicked things too.... Greek gods are not something that are ever good or bad. =/
Athena did enough wicked things too.... Greek gods are not something that are ever good or bad. =/
Okay, no need to be so literal, so I won't pepper my posts with purple prose.
Fact: I have played games with Iso as scum and as town.
Fact: I believe whole-heatedly that this is Iso's town game.
Fact: Iso has been open and receptive to my defense and my interrogations.
Fact: I've come to experience that Iso can see things and his gut isn't usually too far from the truth.
Fact: Gricky has taken the banner up to upseat Iso. He has been actively campaigning and gaining allies on his cause.
Fact: Both Iso and Gricky have big egos and don't ever back down.
Conclusion: Both Iso and Gricky are Town unless they're pulling a serious scum gambit. If you held a gun to my head and told me to choose a side, I'd side with Iso. This is totally dependent, however, if Gricky can provide a case against Iso that is fair and to the point instead of generating another wall of text that's 5% content and 95% crap. (And yes, Iso is guilty of this too.)
That was not treating tordeck as town. That was treating him as scum that I cannot trust. Althought I can see why you saw it that way.
Treating him as scum you can't trust wouldn't have a caveat like "I'll wait for others to weigh in". That's pretty much saying that you want other opinions on his case before you decide, which is not something you'd address to scum.
Treating him as scum you can't trust wouldn't have a caveat like "I'll wait for others to weigh in". That's pretty much saying that you want other opinions on his case before you decide, which is not something you'd address to scum.
Cyouni, we both know players will post differently than others. You claiming I wouldn't address it to scum that way is incorrect since you are not me.
Almost all of the cases that I am reading, are just that meta.
Meta, is an awful argument. Try and use meta on me and you won't know what to do.
Meta, is perhaps the weakest argument that one can use to push a case. Why? Well, if we look at post counts for example, some people take a while to get going, others have role restrictions or roles that make the post differently. Sometimes day one people see a case that they feel must be pushed, maybe they don't see anything at all so they are more quiet.
Simple put arguing meta is poor at best. There are so many variables that are not being taken into account and this ignoring, real life variables.
Okay, no need to be so literal, so I won't pepper my posts with purple prose.
Fact: I have played games with Iso as scum and as town.
Fact: I believe whole-heatedly that this is Iso's town game.
Fact: Iso has been open and receptive to my defense and my interrogations.
Fact: I've come to experience that Iso can see things and his gut isn't usually too far from the truth.
Fact: Gricky has taken the banner up to upseat Iso. He has been actively campaigning and gaining allies on his cause.
Fact: Both Iso and Gricky have big egos and don't ever back down.
Conclusion: Both Iso and Gricky are Town unless they're pulling a serious scum gambit. If you held a gun to my head and told me to choose a side, I'd side with Iso. This is totally dependent, however, if Gricky can provide a case against Iso that is fair and to the point instead of generating another wall of text that's 5% content and 95% crap. (And yes, Iso is guilty of this too.)
Clearer?
I was poking fun, no need to over react..
@ Wheat. I agree that meta can help. But to what end? I'm not beyond looking at meta, but when a case is almost entirely meta based why would I ever listen to it. Why would you ever listen to it?
I also find meta arguments weak because they only go one way. IE that person is scum, because they fit their scum meta, but a person can never be cleared on following a town meta, because then they might be faking it as scum.
@tordeck: Please show how Iso's reaction to your meta case is scummy.
Would you like to just play the game for you then?
What the frak is up with everyone nowadays being too lazy to actually read the fraking games they are in? They want everyone to just hand them frak on a platter. Well frak that noise. Either play or get the frak out.
Would you like to just play the game for you then?
What the frak is up with everyone nowadays being too lazy to actually read the fraking games they are in? They want everyone to just hand them frak on a platter. Well frak that noise. Either play or get the frak out.
He won't he will insist that the answers are there and that you are too lazy to look them up. Then when you make him go look them up he won't be able to defend his position.
He won't he will insist that the answers are there and that you are too lazy to look them up. Then when you make him go look them up he won't be able to defend his position.
I feel like sisyphus. The thread keeps growing as I try to read through it… I'll try not to miss an entire day again.
This all starts from 436, by the way, my last post with content.
Iso vs Gricky: It's hard to read through all of this text. I hope it's just a Town v Town slap fight so they'll stop it, but while I'm here let me leave my comments:
Iso:
438: Why are you unlikely to be vigged?
It does appear that Gricky slipped. He seems to have unquestionably accepted DH's ability as town at that point.
I'm sort of at the center of this fight, so I'm not sure how best to comment. I'll say that I agree with Gricky that Iso's case is mostly bad, though Guardman came to the same conclusion (apparently) independently of Iso, so there's probably something to it.
I don't like that Iso keeps asserting that because he caught void in HS mafia that his gut is infallible. And since Iso specifically asked me to comment on this:
Iso's Gut: A powerful weapon that I saw peg nearly an entire scum team in Homestuck Mafia, but not one that I am confident in trusting this game since it seems that his only gut read is me. I'm still not sure where your case on me is coming from other than your gut here. One success does not mean you get to ride your gut through every game.
Gricky: makes an accusation with no evidence in 477 (the trisk endgame comment). Can you find the relevant quote? Iso seems to think you're lying.
After reading further I think that Iso's doing his normal Iso thing ("Duh! I'm Iso!"), and that Gricky is trying too hard to get him lynched. I'd put money on Iso being town. I can't be sure that Gricky is, since I've only seen his scum game and this is very similar to that, from my recollection.
Guardman: Isn't your case against me essentially the same as Iso's? I think your reasoning is better than his, or at least your explanation of it. You're not trying to ram it down our throats like Iso is.
Arn: Not posting a lot. Post 458 feels forced to me. Why mention other questions if he isn't going to ask them? Just to slip in that "don't want to tip off scum" bit?
Does the same thing in 481.
Audinho: Still seems like his town game, but I haven't seen him as scum, so it's possible he's always like this regardless of alignment. I think that his apparent refusal to take a real stance looks poor for him.
I don't like that he apparently just doesn't realize that he might be able to find an original point even with 22 21 other players making cases.
I also don't like that the majority of his content is related to this wishy-washy stuff.
AsianInvasion: Did AI ever claim his alignment? I think he is saying he is town in 510 but I'm not sure.
I don't get the loran joke.
Zajnet vote seems good at that juncture.
Prophylaxis: Says "let me make a case" in 532, indicating that his reasons already given were not a case. Then he votes me (647) with no additional reasoning! Convenient that he does this right before going on vacation, no? He won't have to answer for his vote until he gets back. I don't like that he's been lurking like this. The combination of lurking and no-content posts reminds me of his scum play in Ghost Story.
void: I have to agree with the others who have said this already. His catchup post is weird. He names me, Audi, and Infinis, then votes Gricky? His only comment about Gricky is that he was leaning town on him. Then a vote? No. The mismatch in mentality here is enough for me to vote him.
Deaths_Vampire: Why are you arguing about debating skills instead of actually scum hunting? Have you done anything this game?
Town/no opinion:
Ahlyis
Cyouni
Tordeck
Wessel
Wheat
I have nothing against any of these players. I am comfortable placing them all in the town column for now.
kpaca
Seppel
Claimed Neutrals, neither have been ringing any alarm bells. I'm fine with letting them be Today.
Post more please:
Arcadic
Archmage_Eternal
fluffyn00b
Infinis
Zajnet
All of you have somewhere around FIVE posts.
Vote Void. I think we have a good case here, and nothing Void has said has made me change my mind.
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Guardman: Isn't your case against me essentially the same as Iso's? I think your reasoning is better than his, or at least your explanation of it. You're not trying to ram it down our throats like Iso is.
Yes and no. He has more reasons then me if I remember correctly. I am voting for you for purely the FoS.
I did not berate you. But I will not play the game for you.
Technically you did since in the post I quoted you clearly reference another post where you berate Cyouni.
Also you are not playing the game for me. I am asking you clearly where and how was Iso's reaction bad. You so far have sidestepped, berated, and said that you aren't going to play the for me instead of answering my question.
So one more time, how and where is Iso's reaction bad and why?
Would you like to just play the game for you then?
What the frak is up with everyone nowadays being too lazy to actually read the fraking games they are in? They want everyone to just hand them frak on a platter. Well frak that noise. Either play or get the frak out.
Technically you did since in the post I quoted you clearly reference another post where you berate Cyouni.
Also you are not playing the game for me. I am asking you clearly where and how was Iso's reaction bad. You so far have sidestepped, berated, and said that you aren't going to play the for me instead of answering my question.
So one more time, how and where is Iso's reaction bad and why?
I have answered Guard's question. The only way I ever will. Anyone that has played with me before should know that by now.
Guard I did not berate you or Cyouni. After the first line of that post it was a general statement to the entire game not anyone individual.
Vote me all you want D_V, unless you really think you can push a policy lynch it wont get you anywhere. And even if you succeed all you will have done is set the town further in the hole.
I have answered Guard's question. The only way I ever will. Anyone that has played with me before should know that by now.
Guard I did not berate you or Cyouni. After the first line of that post it was a general statement to the entire game not anyone individual.
Vote me all you want D_V, unless you really think you can push a policy lynch it wont get you anywhere. And even if you succeed all you will have done is set the town further in the hole.
Why for the love of god won't you answer the question?
Is it so hard to go "I believe that Iso's response is scummy because of X?"
You're going to push Policy against tordeck when you have three scum reads that are valid enough to puch a case. Gt, Arn and myself. I see this as a town motivated push though.
You're going to push Policy against tordeck when you have three scum reads that are valid enough to puch a case. Gt, Arn and myself. I see this as a town motivated push though.
Its not even a policy lynch anymore. Its a failure to do anything.
Hes literally coming into the thread going.
X is scummy!
And the rest of us go ok, how is it scummy!
Response from him in variation are
"Because it is scummy!"
"I won't do your thinking for you!"
"I won't play the game for you!"
"Your an idiot!"
Etc.
Its an inability to play the game to any capacity.
There is no individual thought going on, its literally just parroting and an inability to come up with a comprehensive argument. It screams scum.
Because I doubt our Vig is that terrible, if we have one.
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Iso's Gut: A powerful weapon that I saw peg nearly an entire scum team in Homestuck Mafia, but not one that I am confident in trusting this game since it seems that his only gut read is me. I'm still not sure where your case on me is coming from other than your gut here. One success does not mean you get to ride your gut through every game.
Did you read my translation of my explosive laughter in response to your response to a post?
Tordeck, I actually find D_V's interpretation of you posts to be accurate. So since all of us are lazy idiots who can't read, can you pretty please with sugar on top restate what was so scummy about my reaction?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Wessel:
Re: "I hope it's TvT": I said was hoping it's TvT as a joke, mostly. I was tired of reading through all of those walls of text. I gave my serious opinion on the situation shortly after that statement.
Re: No Opinion: The label on that column includes the neutrals, hence why it's Town/something. "No opinion" was a bad label. More accurate would be "Town/Other." Everybody in that column aside from kpaca/seppel I have as town right now, as noted by the statement underneath that list.
Re: Neutrals: Neither has seemed to be particularly dangerous right now, so I'd rather we scumhunt than try to get one of them lynched. Is there a reason why I should want to lynch them more if they don't appear to be anti-town?
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You don't get it man. Its just his reaction. Go back and reread it. His reaction is scummy.
Respond to what? I've responded to everything.
"You're wrong, here's why. _______."
Total scum reaction.
If there were an award for "vaguest Mafia player", I would nominate you for this game alone.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Just so I don't go on potential endless chase can you repoint to the reaction you want me to look at.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
1. Strongly, leaning scum.
2. I'm trying to decipher who I trust between Iso and Gricky. I'm waiting for a response from Gricky, but unless he claims Athena, Goddess of Virtue and Light, I'm pretty much leaning in the direction that Iso is town.
Athena did enough wicked things too.... Greek gods are not something that are ever good or bad. =/
Okay, no need to be so literal, so I won't pepper my posts with purple prose.
Fact: I have played games with Iso as scum and as town.
Fact: I believe whole-heatedly that this is Iso's town game.
Fact: Iso has been open and receptive to my defense and my interrogations.
Fact: I've come to experience that Iso can see things and his gut isn't usually too far from the truth.
Fact: Gricky has taken the banner up to upseat Iso. He has been actively campaigning and gaining allies on his cause.
Fact: Both Iso and Gricky have big egos and don't ever back down.
Conclusion: Both Iso and Gricky are Town unless they're pulling a serious scum gambit. If you held a gun to my head and told me to choose a side, I'd side with Iso. This is totally dependent, however, if Gricky can provide a case against Iso that is fair and to the point instead of generating another wall of text that's 5% content and 95% crap. (And yes, Iso is guilty of this too.)
Clearer?
And I have eyes that see all then, right? Still not a compelling arguement.
That was not treating tordeck as town. That was treating him as scum that I cannot trust. Althought I can see why you saw it that way.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModI'm assuming you're referring to that bit from Iso?
State it in your own words, please.
@tordeck: Please show how Iso's reaction to your meta case is scummy.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Cyouni, we both know players will post differently than others. You claiming I wouldn't address it to scum that way is incorrect since you are not me.
Quid. facit. "usque, usque magis versimile" intelliguntur ad te?
META. est overused, sed potest auxilium.
Meta est a latina verbum...
1. Videtur esse META obstante ejus, mafia.
2. Iso est non caecus.
Skimmed through. Will be looking at Wessel and AI. As well as Void.
AI questions Void in post 562. Wessel places a vote on void two posts later. With no follow ups. Looks like he wanted to get on the wagon early.
AI doesn't place a vote until Seppel questions people.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I admitted that I haven't been paying as much attention to the thread as I probably should.
That said, you seem to be suspicious of Wessel and myself because we are voting Void. If so, why are you also looking at Void?
To answer Seppel and also see what the Void wagon is all about.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I was poking fun, no need to over react..
@ Wheat. I agree that meta can help. But to what end? I'm not beyond looking at meta, but when a case is almost entirely meta based why would I ever listen to it. Why would you ever listen to it?
I also find meta arguments weak because they only go one way. IE that person is scum, because they fit their scum meta, but a person can never be cleared on following a town meta, because then they might be faking it as scum.
Would you like to just play the game for you then?
What the frak is up with everyone nowadays being too lazy to actually read the fraking games they are in? They want everyone to just hand them frak on a platter. Well frak that noise. Either play or get the frak out.
The Family
You still haven't answered my question.
He won't he will insist that the answers are there and that you are too lazy to look them up. Then when you make him go look them up he won't be able to defend his position.
I am beginning to feel that way.
This all starts from 436, by the way, my last post with content.
Iso vs Gricky: It's hard to read through all of this text. I hope it's just a Town v Town slap fight so they'll stop it, but while I'm here let me leave my comments:
Iso:
438: Why are you unlikely to be vigged?
It does appear that Gricky slipped. He seems to have unquestionably accepted DH's ability as town at that point.
I'm sort of at the center of this fight, so I'm not sure how best to comment. I'll say that I agree with Gricky that Iso's case is mostly bad, though Guardman came to the same conclusion (apparently) independently of Iso, so there's probably something to it.
I don't like that Iso keeps asserting that because he caught void in HS mafia that his gut is infallible. And since Iso specifically asked me to comment on this:
Iso's Gut: A powerful weapon that I saw peg nearly an entire scum team in Homestuck Mafia, but not one that I am confident in trusting this game since it seems that his only gut read is me. I'm still not sure where your case on me is coming from other than your gut here. One success does not mean you get to ride your gut through every game.
Gricky: makes an accusation with no evidence in 477 (the trisk endgame comment). Can you find the relevant quote? Iso seems to think you're lying.
After reading further I think that Iso's doing his normal Iso thing ("Duh! I'm Iso!"), and that Gricky is trying too hard to get him lynched. I'd put money on Iso being town. I can't be sure that Gricky is, since I've only seen his scum game and this is very similar to that, from my recollection.
Guardman: Isn't your case against me essentially the same as Iso's? I think your reasoning is better than his, or at least your explanation of it. You're not trying to ram it down our throats like Iso is.
Arn: Not posting a lot. Post 458 feels forced to me. Why mention other questions if he isn't going to ask them? Just to slip in that "don't want to tip off scum" bit?
Does the same thing in 481.
Audinho: Still seems like his town game, but I haven't seen him as scum, so it's possible he's always like this regardless of alignment. I think that his apparent refusal to take a real stance looks poor for him.
I don't like that he apparently just doesn't realize that he might be able to find an original point even with
2221 other players making cases.I also don't like that the majority of his content is related to this wishy-washy stuff.
AsianInvasion: Did AI ever claim his alignment? I think he is saying he is town in 510 but I'm not sure.
I don't get the loran joke.
Zajnet vote seems good at that juncture.
Prophylaxis: Says "let me make a case" in 532, indicating that his reasons already given were not a case. Then he votes me (647) with no additional reasoning! Convenient that he does this right before going on vacation, no? He won't have to answer for his vote until he gets back. I don't like that he's been lurking like this. The combination of lurking and no-content posts reminds me of his scum play in Ghost Story.
void: I have to agree with the others who have said this already. His catchup post is weird. He names me, Audi, and Infinis, then votes Gricky? His only comment about Gricky is that he was leaning town on him. Then a vote? No. The mismatch in mentality here is enough for me to vote him.
Deaths_Vampire: Why are you arguing about debating skills instead of actually scum hunting? Have you done anything this game?
Town/no opinion:
Ahlyis
Cyouni
Tordeck
Wessel
Wheat
I have nothing against any of these players. I am comfortable placing them all in the town column for now.
kpaca
Seppel
Claimed Neutrals, neither have been ringing any alarm bells. I'm fine with letting them be Today.
Post more please:
Arcadic
Archmage_Eternal
fluffyn00b
Infinis
Zajnet
All of you have somewhere around FIVE posts.
Vote Void. I think we have a good case here, and nothing Void has said has made me change my mind.
I went through the same experience with him. But you know I'm the troll.
If I could policy lynch I would, but I don't think I could get that kind of backing for a policy lynch.
Who are you voting for currently and why?
Your kidding right? Are you even reading this thread?
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=8623789&postcount=654
Yes and no. He has more reasons then me if I remember correctly. I am voting for you for purely the FoS.
Yes.
Thanks, but pardon me for being a little lazy once in while. Sheesh
Very well D_V. IGMEOY
Its the fact that it was 40 posts ago. On this day. This day.
It has nothing to do with being lazy and something to do with the fact that it couldn't be more recent.
Really? You too?
GAH!
Start here http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=8602658&postcount=337 and work your way forward.
The Family
So your response to me asking you to point out where these bad reactions are is to:
1. Berate me.
2. Not point out anything specific and instead tell me to reread half of Iso's posts.
Tordeck for the last time:
Point out these reactions you are claiming are scummy.
And then you continue to attack me...
Whats your point?
Why was that needed? Hint: it wasn't.
Your taking it personal. I'm taking it as a scum tell since scum don't pay attention or read the thread very intently.
I did not berate you. But I will not play the game for you.
The Family
It didn't come across as you taking it as a scum tell. Your emotion was laid on rather thick in your first response to me.
We will have to disagree on the theory of how intently scum pay/read the thread.
Technically you did since in the post I quoted you clearly reference another post where you berate Cyouni.
Also you are not playing the game for me. I am asking you clearly where and how was Iso's reaction bad. You so far have sidestepped, berated, and said that you aren't going to play the for me instead of answering my question.
So one more time, how and where is Iso's reaction bad and why?
I swear to god hes trolling.
Unvote Vote Tordeck
Votes on Tordeck till he answers the question
Guard I did not berate you or Cyouni. After the first line of that post it was a general statement to the entire game not anyone individual.
Vote me all you want D_V, unless you really think you can push a policy lynch it wont get you anywhere. And even if you succeed all you will have done is set the town further in the hole.
The Family
Why for the love of god won't you answer the question?
Is it so hard to go "I believe that Iso's response is scummy because of X?"
I truly don't get you.
You're going to push Policy against tordeck when you have three scum reads that are valid enough to puch a case. Gt, Arn and myself. I see this as a town motivated push though.
Ive done the leg work. Ive pointed to where the issue lies. Now you want me to play the game for you? Not happening.
The Family
Its not even a policy lynch anymore. Its a failure to do anything.
Hes literally coming into the thread going.
X is scummy!
And the rest of us go ok, how is it scummy!
Response from him in variation are
"Because it is scummy!"
"I won't do your thinking for you!"
"I won't play the game for you!"
"Your an idiot!"
Etc.
Its an inability to play the game to any capacity.
There is no individual thought going on, its literally just parroting and an inability to come up with a comprehensive argument. It screams scum.
You haven't done anything. So just stop.
Please.
All you have said is this.
X is scummy.
The end.
That's it.
It is not compelling. It isn't an argument.
Its not playing the game. Its actually the opposite. Your just pretending to play the game.
The Family
What points of mine did you disagree with?
It means not definitely.
Because I doubt our Vig is that terrible, if we have one.
Did you read my translation of my explosive laughter in response to your response to a post?
Tordeck, I actually find D_V's interpretation of you posts to be accurate. So since all of us are lazy idiots who can't read, can you pretty please with sugar on top restate what was so scummy about my reaction?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I won't be posting for at least 24 hours.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Re: "I hope it's TvT": I said was hoping it's TvT as a joke, mostly. I was tired of reading through all of those walls of text. I gave my serious opinion on the situation shortly after that statement.
Re: No Opinion: The label on that column includes the neutrals, hence why it's Town/something. "No opinion" was a bad label. More accurate would be "Town/Other." Everybody in that column aside from kpaca/seppel I have as town right now, as noted by the statement underneath that list.
Re: Neutrals: Neither has seemed to be particularly dangerous right now, so I'd rather we scumhunt than try to get one of them lynched. Is there a reason why I should want to lynch them more if they don't appear to be anti-town?