What prevents you from, say, making a case on someone that's had a case made on them without just simply barning someone else's case?
23 other players wanting to make cases, basically. As I said, usually when I spot something it's allready been covered, and when it's not it's because it's not something to make a case out of and I'm a laughing stock.
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Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
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Now tell me Arc, how DH is scummy for how he conducted his claim and yet Kpaca is not?
Ive either been /in, /spectate or /mod for just about every game Dragon has on this site. If anyone can read him I feel I can and I am 90% sure this is his town play.
He's dead, but when 2 players have claimed names and roles you don't just "forget" to claim or have to "actually check my pm" to find it. Its a pretty big deal to leave something like that (that i am using to confirm kpaca's ability is 100% real). Seppel's role can be confirmed through the same means, though i believe seppel is an anime fan, so it is more easily fabricated, unlike kpaca, who i remember has a dislike for it.
@kpaca : I would appreciate you ask that question to the mod before the day ends.
Vote Iso pandering for votes on meg based on 1 slip, paints me and gricky as tied because we have the same opinion on 1 post, isn't using a case on megs to push megs, is using his "case" on megs to push gricky.
At the risk of derailing the thread with yet more theory, lynching a known SK is much better for the town than lynching a known mafioso because it removes an entire kill from each Night phase. However, I am always down to lynch a loran.
I kind of disagree, but it depends on the SK. Most times, an outed SK will be willing to work with the Town in order to live longer. Often, the Town can turn the SK into a directed Vig, lynching the SK as soon as they disobey orders.
I'm not saying it's a perfect strategy, and many other factors can certainly influence whether to leave the SK alive or not. I'm just saying, sometimes lynching the Scum over the SK isn't such a bad idea.
There's also the minor side point that a Mafiate won't ever NK another Mafiate (barring extreme circumstances) but an SK might.
EBWoPx2: I'm still ignoring Wheat_Grinder, obv. (He's probably town.)
I admit, much of the time I simply ignore Wheat's posts entirely. Is that a bad thing to do? Certainly. But tough crap. I blame the Mod.
Mafia is supposed to be fun and enjoyable overall. A posting restriction that forces you to make your posts difficult and annoying for anyone else to read is NOT making the game fun or enjoyable.
I've seen posting restrictions that provide a challenge without making the game unfun. This isn't one of them.
The fact Wheat put the translator into his sig is the only reason I'm even reading any of his posts. I don't blame Wheat. He's doing the best with the crappy role he was given. But I am ignoring him for the most part.
23 other players wanting to make cases, basically. As I said, usually when I spot something it's allready been covered, and when it's not it's because it's not something to make a case out of and I'm a laughing stock.
Sooooo, that makes it okay for you to sit back and just barn everyone else without ever contributing anything of your own?!?!
Pick a player and go do a post-by-post analysis of them. THAT would be both useful and original and would probably get people off your back for you never contributing.
There's also the minor side point that a Mafiate won't ever NK another Mafiate (barring extreme circumstances) but an SK might.
Cross-kills are much less likely than you think. SK wants to pick off town power roles just as much as the mafia does. Usually the mafia and SK will be able to identify each other by Day 3, and at that point it becomes a tough decision on when to pick each other off.
Post 7: First post. points out broken image and posts a joke vote. Nothing here.
Post 11:The first smiley post. The post is nothing but laughing at the "fight" between Void and Tordeck over their sigs. I'm not seeing any "nervousness" in the post, at all.
Post 14: Second smiley post. References Rick Santorum, which is a reference I don't recognize at all. Impossible for me to say whether there is any "nervousness" in the post, but given there was nothing prior to this which specifically prompted this post, I'm having a hard time seeing it as a nervous response to anything.
Post 47: Translates one of Wheat's posts. Comments that he hopes it doesn't become annoying and finishes with a rolleyes smiley. Is this the nervous smiley? Again, I'm not seeing it if it is.
Post 55: Summarizes the ridiculous argument by DV about mass claims on D1 with a much shorter than this analysis by simply posting "lolwat".
Post 59: More comments about Wheat's use of Latin. Includes a laughing smiley, but no nervousness that I can see.
Post 64: Response to DH about Void's V/LA. It would be a stretch, but I could see someone calling this a setup post in prep for trying to take an easy shot later at Void over any little disappearance. Very minorly scummy, if at all, but is the only thing potentially scummy I've seen so far from Megiddo.
Post 66: More regarding Wheat translating. Has a smiley, but nothing "nervous" about it. Nothing here.
I'm going to stop commenting on any smileys at this point unless they seem relevant.
Post 72: Points out that Void is "thanking" posts wishing his wife well.
Post 85: Questions Audi/Wessel about the "nervous" smiley posted by Void. Wait, what? I thought the smiley case was against Megiddo?!?! Had to read back through this section. Sure enough, the smiley case is against Void (and I don't see the "nervousness" there either). As for this post, I see nothing scummy in it.
Post 93: Disputes the validity of a smiley by itself being scummy with nothing in the text of the post to support it. I agree 100%. Casts an FOS though instead of a vote, which I think is what Iso keys off of. It's a very minor bit of scumminess, at worst.
Post 171, by Iso: And here it is, the post where Iso calls Meg scum and casts his vote. There's literally NO other posts by either Iso or Meg between this one and Meg's FOF post. Iso calls Meg's FOS weak, calls Meg scum for it and votes with nothing else for his case. I see this as far scummier than anything and everything that Meg has done so far. I'm not going to link any more of Iso's posts here since this is a PbPA of Meg, but Iso does start pushing HARD for a Meg lynch based on nothing more than what I listed above.
Post 246: Questions the validity of the "case" against him. Gives some short responses to/analysis of a few players. Votes for DV. Gives some reasoning why. It's not a lot, but seems plenty for an early Day 1 vote.
Post 384: Gives Guardman's analysis of why his FOS was scummy more credit than it deserves, imo. Promises to keep it in mind in the future. Responds to many things from Wessel. Indicates a preference to scumhunt rather than worry about the 2 claimed neutrals at this point. Seems a very Townie post.
Post 393: Moves onto the DH wagon. Brings some new analysis with his vote. Warns that his vote puts DH at L-3. Another Townie seeming post.
Post 436: Ridicules DH for the idea DH only acted scummy to prove a point. Regardless that DH is now dead and shown Town, I still agree with Meg 100% here. If you act scummy, you should expect to get lynched. Saying it was all a ploy isn't going to work.
Post 439: Out of Game response to something I asked. Asks Iso if part of his post was misattributed.
Post 451: Copies a Wheat translation for everyone to see. Nothing here.
And that's it so far from Meg. That was actually a lot more posts than I thought Meg had.
I like that Meg acknowledged the "case" against him, but dismissed it as ridiculous and never got into a fight over it, just ignored it after that. That is a Townie reaction in my book.
I'm really finding Meg to be Townie at this point. Iso on the other hand looked worse and worse as things progressed.
23 other players wanting to make cases, basically. As I said, usually when I spot something it's allready been covered, and when it's not it's because it's not something to make a case out of and I'm a laughing stock.
Might I suggest you do a PbPA of Iso's posts? I know that I for one would be VERY interested in seeing one.
Nobody else has done one yet. It's something you could do which would both compile all of Iso's posts into one location as well as give all of us your personal analysis of someone rather than simply what you barn off of everyone else.
Cross-kills are much less likely than you think. SK wants to pick off town power roles just as much as the mafia does.
I've seen cross-kills plenty of times over at Px2. Why is Mafia here so different?
I don't disagree that Power roles are a target for SK. But so is Mafia. Removing anyone that might kill them first would seem to be a pretty high priority for an SK.
Usually the mafia and SK will be able to identify each other by Day 3, and at that point it becomes a tough decision on when to pick each other off.
Buh?
What magical power enables this? Any time I've ever been an SK or Mafia, I've had no more clue who was who than anyone else (other than knowing who my scumbuddies were when I was Mafia).
How is it that SK's here know who the entire Scum team is by Day 3? Why don't they reveal this info to Town if they're going to be lynched? If for no other reason than to try to buy themselves more time.
How does the Mafia know who the SK is? And if they do, why do they want an uncontrolled NK out there that might do them more harm than good? I'm not saying the SK would be their first priority, but I would think it was certainly someone they'd want to eliminate.
Vote Iso pandering for votes on meg based on 1 slip, paints me and gricky as tied because we have the same opinion on 1 post, isn't using a case on megs to push megs, is using his "case" on megs to push gricky.
There are at least 4 things wrong with this post.
Ahlyis, how exactly is saying, "Oh, there's a wagon on me, well, this is stupid" and then ignoring the points about it a town reaction?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I don't disagree that Power roles are a target for SK. But so is Mafia. Removing anyone that might kill them first would seem to be a pretty high priority for an SK.
That's why being an SK is a delicate balance between avoiding the mafia NK and the town lynch.
How does the Mafia know who the SK is? And if they do, why do they want an uncontrolled NK out there that might do them more harm than good? I'm not saying the SK would be their first priority, but I would think it was certainly someone they'd want to eliminate.
Dragonheart, Avatar Mafia Chat, post 198: "I actually think there is a strong chance that poggydude is the mysterious killer due to the flavor of him being a firebender, and the modgaming of equal role distribution. (Why would Fire have an extra person?) It's entirely possible that Jeong Jeong is a false claim."
Dragonheart, Avatar Mafia Chat, post 229: "I'm concerned with killing poggydude, who I suspect to be the serial killer/unknown killer."
Serial Killers sometimes come with built in protection like being unkillable. They also add to the kill count. Killing them off early reduces the rate that bodies stack up, and therefore increases the days you need to survive to win.
Now please play the game and stop making every post of yours useless with theory debates.
I bolded something else Gricky has done in this following quote, both in Homestuck and this game:
KCC died that Night. And then I counterclaimed Void on Day 2 and shot Gricky on Night 2. They were both scum.
I don't expect many people to read the whole thing, but here's what I've been referencing.
Basically, Gricky's play (and even his argument against me) in Magical Girls is literally almost exactly what he did in Homestuck, down to a T.
He was scum in that game. He is scum in this game.
I snipped a few quotes and added text (like in Megiddo's quoted post) to make things more relevant if you don't choose to view the full quote and to cut out stuff that wasn't relevant to the incident I am referencing. Anyone is welcome to see if I'm lying about this by checking for themselves.
As I said, I don't expect everyone to read the whole thing, but there is no "condensed" version. Even some of the phrasing is almost exactly the same as Homestuck Gricky. If you refuse to read the quote wall, then at least skim it because I just spent like 40+ minutes collecting and snipping quotes for your convenience and you can at least read a few of the quotes when he starts his terrible argument to see the parallels here.
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Okay, I see the connection.
But, for the purposes of this game, are you saying Gricky's "defense" of Meg is because both are scum, or that Gricky is just using it to discredit you like he did in Homestuck?
I believe Kpaca's counter claim. I don't think it reeks of cultist, however. All we have to do to "test" his claim is for someone to volunteer to receive a bauble and crosscheck if it is a "wooden starfish". If there's any funny business it'll be hard to hide.
However, he could still have the cult thingy where he wins and everyone else loses.
@The Meg case: I'm suspicious of this since I did this in my second game as scum. Let me fish it up.
Not a fan of this post. "newb" generally indicates a person to be inexperienced, and from BE's recent posts she seems to be very experienced indeed - making me think that she was a gimmick/had past experience with mafia on some occasions when I was reading this thread.
What do you mean by "newb"? I feel like BE is very experienced.
I don't like this post. Voting someone for no reasoning? Are you being like Seppel?
FoS atseal
I hate this post. OMGUS is not a scumtell, it's a null tell IMO. FoS Wuffles
First I'm a little insulted that GT thinks so low of me that I would need to steal logic from others.
Second I have realized as sad as it is that this is DH's town play.
Third I have also realized that this game so far is Iso's scum play.
unvote, vote Iso
Strictly a meta call. Iso posts more as town then he has here.
The vote on Iso is terrible. This post gives me scum vibes that tord is scum.
Let me make a case.
@Mod: I'm going to be away next week because of vacation. I really doubt that I can get internet access, and if I can I will just mainly be checking the thread.
But, for the purposes of this game, are you saying Gricky's "defense" of Meg is because both are scum, or that Gricky is just using it to discredit you like he did in Homestuck?
This post feels a bit jumpy and kind of doesn't feel right to me. I don't know.
Uncertain push
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I don't like the bolded.
Vague suspicion
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What do you mean by "us"? Also, scum can influence power roles.
Obviously anyone who says "us" in the game thread would say they're referring to the town - this question is unnecessary. And, duh? @ the second sentence.
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You're presenting to us a very simplified situation that would not take place in a specialty. First of all, the doc can't protect self. How do you know that there are vigs/docs/cops in this game? Besides, you could always just kill the doc and you have the next couple of nightkills set in stone.
But you wouldn't know this. It reads like fishing, to me.
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But how do we know that you can be trusted?
And what was the point of asking this? It's a game of Mafia, ffs.
Basically, the entire post reads to me as fluff, fishing, and giving Proph many outs without him having to stick to anything solid.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sooooo, that makes it okay for you to sit back and just barn everyone else without ever contributing anything of your own?!?!
Pick a player and go do a post-by-post analysis of them. THAT would be both useful and original and would probably get people off your back for you never contributing.
No, but it's not for lack of trying. It's like getting a ticket because you're not following the speed limits.. When you're sitting in the passenger seat.
The second line is actually quite useful to me. It's a good idea of something I could do. I've gotten kind of stuck in trying to defend myself and need some kind of technique to be able to actually add concent between my self-defence. Thanks for this.
(I should have thought of this myself, I've done it before, but it just hasn't struck me as I've been rather busy responding to other posts directly concerning me.)
Might I suggest you do a PbPA of Iso's posts? I know that I for one would be VERY interested in seeing one.
This however. No. If I choose to do a PBPA on someone that hasn't been done (IIRC only Megiddo and myself has gotten that treatment so far), it will be one of my own choosing. Iso is beeing analyzed enough by others, and I probably won't add anything that others haven't allready said.
I do not however have time to do anything of the sort today, and I don't really know what the weekend will bring concerning time free for mafia.
Ongoing events: I think Iso vs Grickytimmick is interesting, as I have a good feeling about Iso and a bad about Grickytimmick. I'm interested in seeing more of the back and forth (even though it probably will be large posts which are harder to read), to possibly sement (or change) my reads.
Zajnet needs to post something other than his vote to actually contribute to the game.
I'm also raising an eyebrow to the fact that DragonHearts wagon is getting way less attention that it should be getting. I don't think Arcadic excuse to why he was pushing because "the claim is bad" is any good. Looks forced. Arcadic normally posts more as well, I seem to remember him as somewhat of a linguist who is much more active, but I've only played with him in Starcraft so I don't have a solid meta on him by any means.
Actually, now I know what I'll do. I'll go through the lurkers and see whom of them are scum. Because there are always scum among the lurkergroup.
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P9 - VT - Win
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
How many nights have you not seen cross-kills at Px2?
I've never kept exact count... but on nights where a cross kill was possible (i.e., there were both SK and Mafia in the game at that point), cross kills failed to happen in about 75% of the cases, ttbomr, which is about what you'd expect given a 3 to 1 Scum to Town ratio.
Because it is optimal play for the town to lynch the SK first.
That's highly debatable. I've been in plenty of games where an SK that was outed early was left alive as long as they promised to kill who the Town told them to.
I'm not saying I agree with this practice. But I've seen it done FAR too many times to blatantly say killing an SK trumps killing a Mafiate when both are outed.
Outing the mafia when you're going down as SK is poor sportsmanship.
Buh?
According to what rationale? It would be unsportsmanlike to out members of your team, if you had any. But how is it unsportsmanlike for ANYONE about to be lynched to give their "final" T/S list and reasonings? (Again, I accept that Scum shouldn't do it if they aren't the last Scum.)
Dragonheart, Avatar Mafia Chat, post 198: "I actually think there is a strong chance that poggydude is the mysterious killer due to the flavor of him being a firebender, and the modgaming of equal role distribution. (Why would Fire have an extra person?) It's entirely possible that Jeong Jeong is a false claim."
Dragonheart, Avatar Mafia Chat, post 229: "I'm concerned with killing poggydude, who I suspect to be the serial killer/unknown killer."
Awesome. You've found ONE example where ONE Mafiate expressed reservations about killing the suspected SK. But even there, you haven't included anything which indicates WHY he was reluctant.
Serial Killers sometimes come with built in protection like being unkillable. They also add to the kill count. Killing them off early reduces the rate that bodies stack up, and therefore increases the days you need to survive to win.
It's a mixed bag. I will grant you that yes, IF the SK is bulletproof, then they might prefer to leave at least one Mafiate alive until the end game. But if they're NOT bulletproof, then taking out the Mafia becomes vastly more important.
And before you start crying about me arguing theory again, it takes TWO to be having this debate!
I just got through doing an entire PbPA on Meg. I just got through appealing to Audi to participate, even giving him a request for something I'd like to see from him (or anyone else for that matter). I've got a TON of posts recently that have NOTHING to do with theory discussions.
Nah, I don't think that argument follows. An emoticon is practically nothing! If the wording of the post had contributed to your read, sure, but just an emoticon? No. That isn't even worth anything as a jumping off point.
Also, your statement on Iso is clearly not logical, unless you're suggesting that the mod didn't randomize alignments.
@Aud: See the post of Meg's I quoted? It is so terribly forced. Read into it.
In the next 100+ posts there are several places where you call for Meg's head, but the posts above are all I could find detailing YOUR case against Meg.
Aud: Why do you get a good feeling from me and a bad feeling from Gricky?
Bad feel Gricky: twisted my words and misrepresented me in our small war of walls.
Good feel Iso: Not playing like you have in the games I've seen you be scum. Case on you seems to consist mainly of critiquing what I consider normal Iso play (was "votemongering" the word? You always do this.) Also, gut.
Reason why Iso vs Gricky is interesting is that this butting of heads will inevitably lead to one of two outcomes:
1. My scummy read on Gricky becomes stronger, and he's nudged up to a pure scum read.
2. It becomes evident to me that it's town vs town, which means I have corrected one of my reads.
Reason I don't trust my own read on Gricky yet, is because of the walls we flung at eachother. I can't seem to get my head cool about him yet.
(And yes, I will be partially sitting on the fence and observing your showdown, but I promise I'll look into other stuff at the same time).
Tomorrow is a new day, I've heard.
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P9 - VT - Win
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
I love my job. It helps me take a break from mafia and clear my head, thinking about the happenings in the game for much longer than I would if I could just post my response. The reason I bring this up is because after thinking about some of his points, I think Iso may be flailing a bit. I'll explain throughout.
And because he's tied himself to Megiddo so strongly in his defense, and Megiddo was my first scum read, I am inclined to believe that they are scumbuddies.
Am I to understand that your case on me is as goes: Megcase/Grickydefense + meta call = Grickyscum? Because you really can't apply the Megcase until you know Meg's alignment. Unless, that is, you know Meg's scum and you are trying to set me up instead of me setting you up like in the meta call you are suddenly clinging to.
And you have just contradicted yourself. Remember earlier when I said you were doing nothing but saying "lynch please" about the meg case? Well, your response was "Liar, I am not!". With this "And?" point, which I assume is supposed to mean "So what if I am Vote Mongering?", you are admitting that you are Vote Mongering and that you calling me a liar is nothing more than an ad hom attack. You contradict yourself, Sir!
Moreover, it's also scummy too. Vote Mongering when you have worked your ass off on a case, laying out multiple reasons why a person is scummy, is perfectly fine. But as we've seen, you only have one point of analysis on Meg before you skip straight to mongering. You don't even care to elaborate when someone asks you to clarify your point, you just tell them to look harder. This is partly why Aud looks as bad as he does, because you don't reveal anything to him and suddenly he gets it and jumps aboard the Megtrain. If you really believe Meg's scum, why wouldn't you explain yourself more? I mean, tell them to do their own work sure, but also expand your viewpoint too, let people know what you are thinking and why you are so sure of yourself. Trust me, if Aud is going to mindlessly barn anyway, someone is still going to call him on it whether you explain yourself or not. I just see no townie reasons for you to not post your thoughts. Anyway, your case was not credibly enough to go vote hunting as much as you did, or even at all. That's why your mongering is terribad.
1. Obviously, it's based on feelings you get, not fact, regardless of how often you use feelings and how accurate they may or may not be.
2. Tunnelvisioning, hard. It's based on a single post, while entirely ignoring all other posts made by Meg. I should think that you would bring another post up at some point at least. And not a post of Meg's that ties back to your original case, like you calling Meg out for strawmanning when Meg dismissed your case. Stacking blocks on one shaky foundation doesn't stop it from falling.
I would like to keep reminding you of Void and Homestuck Mafia.
I would like to remind you that permanently playing a "gut read" game in every game is a good way to simplify your scum games. So the fact that you pinned void as scum in another game doesn't mean you have free reign to get away with it in every game. At least, in that game, you kept following up with Void's responses, giving other reasons that were scummy and legit. If you expect to catch scum based on the gut from one post in every game you play, you are seriously delusional. I happen to think that you are just smart and choose the easiest way to play the same style of game as scum and town, just going with gut. It's what you did in Trisk, as scum. It's what you did in Homestuck as town. It's what you are doing here. The defense of "I did this as town once and totally succeeded" doesn't work.
It is being strawmanned because Megiddo is saying it's about one thing when it's about something else. That's exactly how it's being strawmanned. Quit pretending to be dense.
Alright, would you care to define the phrases "one thing" and "something else". You are calling it a strawman, but I'm not seeing it, so if you are right, you should be able to tell me what the argument actually is and what Meg is strawmanning it to be. Also, I'm not arguing that it's a strawman, I'm saying the strawman is justifiable.
I found Megiddo's response laughable and classic scum behavior of deflect+vote low-hanging fruit a la Dragonheart with no actual analysis attached to his vote - simply a "massclaim and talking about Neutrals". Firstly, D_V was talking about the massclaim - not Dragonheart (unless I'm mistaken). Secondly, we were already discussing the Neutrals - and then he votes the completely easy target of Dragonheart, whose wagon is gaining momentum. In short, Megiddo's vote on to Dragonheart was opportunistic, weak, and deflection from his own wagon, which was gaining momentum. Just because you don't understand my explosive laugh in response to Megiddo's jump to DH doesn't mean it should be dismissed.
Then why didn't you say that? Seriously, when you have analysis like this, say it instead of a bunch of jarbled all-caps letters that I'm supposed to assume is an intelligent response. I'm not your interpreter, although reading you would be much easier if I were apparently.
I want you to show me all of Megiddo's town points.
Show me everything that has you so convinced that Megiddo is town.
Please.
Ok, I said it in my precursor to my response, and I'll say it again, my defense here isn't so much about any reads I have on Meg, it's about not liking the case and the momentum it gained. I saw what it was based on, saw that Aud had a terrible barn vote, which got me paying attention, saw that Kpaca, Seppel and AI, Sep's buddy, had hopped on the wagon, something sketchy, and then saw that your reasoning was incredibly shallow. It was a pretty strong wagon lead by a singular, malnourished donkey. So, I've been attacking the wagoner's and their motives for being on the wagon. So far, I don't like what I see.
It's certainly not the only point I've made on Megiddo. You have refused to acknowledge this. Why? And once again about the votemongering: And?
I haven't seen any other points that aren't tied to the gut call you made in the first place. Why don't you quote them and bring the other points to our attention if what you are saying is true. Cause I posted every post of yours that had something Meg related in it.
And it does look like you are trying to do just that. Why do you feel the need to reference an argument you have made as scum if you are trying to appear townie? You and I have both spoken privately about my gut reads and how I am relying more on them lately because they appear to be more correct than my scumtell reads. I'm not providing little reasoning - I have substantiated my case sufficiently on Megiddo and I feel that is sufficient grounds for lynching him. Apparently at least 4 other people did, as well. Why aren't you attacking them? Why are you focusing your attacks on me when I have, in fact, likely provided more reasoning than anyone else as to why I believe Megiddo is scum?
Are you joking here? First, I've argued countless times how my alignment doesn't affect the legitimacy of the arguments I make, just how I use them. I know I'm referencing a scum game where I made these points, but it's because I argued there (postgame) and here that the argument was a valid one. Gut is inherently scummy. Instead of focusing on the general meta argument like you are doing, why don't you go into detail? That fact that you are doing nothing but screaming "META!" as your defense doesn't do anything for you, you need to explain how the use of the argument is actually scummy. I see nothing wrong with it, other than I was using that line of logic to trap you on D3 after you successfully pushed through the scum-void lynch.
Moreover, you attack me for not attacking the other wagoners? But I have. I've written several walls-o-text on how Aud is scummy and pointed out the the other members of the wagon were claimed neutral, something I don't wish to waste time on at the moment. I've even pointed out that Seppel could be lying, as per my recruitment theory, and that his and AI's activity on the wagon is lamentable as well. I have attacked other people sir. I made generally the same arguments when Aud brought this up too, and called it scummy for him as well. Now you are added to that list.
Talk to me about this if you can point me to why, SUFFICIENTLY, you think Megiddo is town.
Talk to me about this when you can point me to why, SUFFICIENTLY, you think Megiddo is scum. Because in all this banter, the only person who's tried to explain your vote reasoning is me. You haven't bothered, I'm still just assuming that I got your reasoning right.
That is the basis of your argument. "Your read is wrong. Also you're using gut. So you're scum." That is your case. You haven't provided any reasoning as to why my read is supposedly wrong - all you've said is that it is. Hypocrisy is not a becoming trait.
Oh really? Nice strawman of my whole issue with you.
Want my reasoning? Here it is. You're read is wrong because 1. It strawman's all of Meg's other posts, because you only refer to one and have completely ignore the others, save for one post Meg makes in defense where your arguments are tied back to the same original post. 2. Your use of Vote Mongering is not substantiated and does not match the level of effort you have actually put into the case. 3. You continually use the word "case" and seem to try and make your analysis seem broader than it is, all while never explaining the other points you claim to have and being overly obtuse about your reasoning in the first place. 4. Your tie into me from the Meg case dilutes the reasoning even further, and subsequent ties based off of me onto other players are extremely diluted by extension. You're reasoning for me being scum is "Defended Meg, who I think is scum" so it's supposedly guilt by association to a player that we don't know the alignment of, and then your Tordeck and Archaic attacks based off of me is "agreed with Gricky, who defended Meg, who I think is scum". Did you ever see the episode of Futurama "My Three Sons" where fry drinks a planet's emperor and has to recite a very lengthy diatribe of all the former kings drinking each other? Your reasoning is beginning to look like that Diatribe.
No, you don't. "Iso uses gut. Gut is scummy. Your read is wrong." This is EXACTLY the same argument you used against me in Homestuck WHERE YOU WERE SCUM.
Now you are right, it is exactly the same argument, and I haven't denied that. What I have denied is that it makes me scum in any way. The argument doesn't suddenly become wrong and unusable because I flipped scum. Scum can have logic too, you know, and the argument held it's ground. On top of that, you keep forgetting that this isn't my only argument here, I gave a pretty good list of a few of the arguments above. If I were solely relying on the gut argument from Homestuck, I would put more stock into this point of yours, but the fact is there are other damning things about your play.
Stop here.
Now, I'm seeing a running theme in your big post so far, and that's that you are relying on this meta argument to really get you out of here and completely void everything I say. You are really putting a lot of stock into the Meta argument, like it's your last hope and prayer, one of the things that makes me think you are flailing. Also, your caps preference here is unlike anything I've seen from you before. I've seen you joke in caps, but I've never seen you seriously use caps in a back and forth debate. Not that you haven't, just saying I've never seen it from you and it feels flaily.
"Just because I was found at the crime scene immediately after the murder occurred holding the knife that killed the man doesn't mean I killed him!"
The argument wasn't scummy, the way I used it was. This meta argument does nothing to affect the legitimacy of the argument and doesn't make me scum for using it.
For those of you who weren't present during the game that we keep referencing:
Void replaced in. On his first post, I said, "I think Void is scum." When asked why, my response was to the effect of, "Gut." I subconsciously drew associations with the town/scum list that Void had created with his first post and it made perfect sense to me that Void was scum. Gricky was Void's scumbuddy in that game. He tried his damndest to get me lynched for basing my case on Void on that initial gut read. The only reason Void wasn't lynched that Day was because he claimed a PR (and even then I knew he was lying, as my own role made that an impossibility). My point here is that Gricky is not only rehashing the same argument that he did as scum in another game, but he is claiming that his points are "valid" when they obviously were not a solid foundation on which to build an argument - as I was town in Homestuck Mafia, and I am town now. The other issue here is that now that I have substantiated my Megiddo read beyond "gut", Gricky is still harping on the fact that my initial reason was my gut reaction to Megiddo's post. For those interested, I can find quotes from Homestuck Mafia to illustrate my point.
Where have you substantiated your read further than gut? Also, how does my analysis that "Gut is scummy" from the last game not hold any water? It's an easy in and out of a wagon and allows scum to put the cruise control on a game, and also allows them to Vote Monger. If everyone ran around using gut as their reasoning, mafia would be a crapshoot rather than the calculating procedure we have now.
For a newer player in a speciality, I can see that he's doing his best to try and keep up, posting a few multi-responses to the town, which I know is something scum are capable of, but for a newer player it's a sign of towniness. He's not getting flustered over pressure of your crap case, something which a newer player might easily get flustered by esp. in a specialty. Also, your crap case you are trying to push makes me think he's town too.
Or maybe you could create an actual case based on behavioral and motive analysis. Except you would have to fabricate an interpretation of my mindset in my posts because I am nothing but town. As for the Megiddo vs. Void thing in comparison to Homestuck, Megiddo was almost certainly going to be lynched before Dragonheart shouted out, "HEY, LOOK AT ME!". Speaking of: Megiddo, you were in that game. Why aren't you commenting on this?
Behavioral and motive analysis? Ok, sure. Remember Trisk? You were the first person to really get things started by calling out Vitek from that gambit. You have a history of being cavalier about your scum play, so as far as behavior goes, its believable to think you would try and start a wagon out of thin air and push hard for it as scum. Conviction sells and I think you know this. Motive analysis? All you needed was a slip, the fact that you are scum and want to win by subverting the town is enough motive. You saw your in on a questionable post by Meg and made your move. Your experience tells you to stick with your guns, once again conviction sells. You get a bit of support for your efforts and it's done deal, you are the scumhero D1 for getting the first mislynch of the game. I think your motives are just that you get a kick out of hiding in plane sight and you thought you had the opportunity to do so.
So it's okay for you to base your read on gut and not me? Why? Because you were scum in that game and you think gut is a scum tool? And you are STILL defending your argument from when you were BLATANTLY WRONG! Here, have another comparison. "I said you were scum [as scum] in one game because you posted 50 times a day and even though you were town, my argument is totally valid! And it still is, because you're posting 50 times a day here!" That is not a valid argument! You cannot say that your argument holds ground when you have been completely wrong with it!
What? Read my quote there again bro, cause I think you are misreading it based on your bolds. You have bolded "Gut is mostly a scumtool" and "my Gut analysis", but "my Gut analysis" is referring to my analysis of why Gut is scummy, not analysis that's based on my gut.
Also, there's more caps words. Flail evidence. Flevidence.
That being said, I have illustrated my case against Megiddo, and all I can do is refer people to it and call for more votes on him. How do you get people lynched? With psychic powers?
How do you get people lynched? By declaring your case and letting people see for themselves. If they think there's something there, they'll join you. You can post things like "still think player x is scum", but whoring your vote around to specific people and asking "why don't you vote player x?" is something only reserved when you've actually caught scum and are looking to get some reactions to catch future scum, like when you cop a scum but haven't revealed it to the town, you want to ask players to see what their reaction would be. Since there's a 99.9% chance that didn't happen in a no N0 game, then I have a problem with your Mongering.
Also, no you haven't illustrated your case on Meg. You haven't even verified that my interpretation of your gut read was correct.
I always skim people I think are town/people I'm going to figure out later. I read more into people I'm not sure about and people I think are scum. I find it amusing that you're trying to obfuscate your own scum meta in this game in an effort to get me mislynched here.
Um, flustered much? I am arguing in the quote that you must be skimming my posts. You are arguing in your response that you always skim those that you think are town or will get to later. But you think I'm scum and you're on me now.
No. You haven't. Especially when you have seen it work firsthand. And you still need to address why you believe Megiddo is town. Also, "because I think you're scum" isn't sufficient, as you didn't think I was scum until I was attacking Megiddo, when you started defending him.
Yes, I have, you just really seem to like saying "No you haven't" and trying to make it a proper defense. I've thoroughly explained why your case and your actions surrounding it are scummy. I've also explained why Meg is town. You may not like the answers, but that doesn't mean I didn't give them.
What more do I need to say about it? Proph hasn't been posting much and never addressed my case. As it stands, he is still an incredibly good lynch candidate. Why don't you look at my case on him? Oh right, because you're pretending to tunnel me.
Granted he's not posting much, but incredibly good lynch candidate is a stretch. I believe he would be worth more pressure, but I'm not comfortable labling him a lynch just yet, there are better options to explore if I had to choose a lynch right now. Also, stop calling things a case when it's a single point in one of your posts. That's not a case. Finally, what do you mean pretending to tunnel me? Isn't tunneling a bad thing, so if I'm not tunneling, then I'm doing good right? I don't get this at all.
* I'm calling you scum because you are referencing an argument you used as scu-god why am I repeating this. ****ing scroll up
* I'm not tying you to Megiddo - you're doing that just fine on your own.
* And now you're lying again. I kill Power Roles first as scum. Always. I discussed this in theory. Optimal kill order: PRs, veterans, dissenters, and then supporters.
* I'm voting for you now. I only have one vote. DIAF.
* lol no
1. Covered several times, you are trying to paint this meta argument as White and Black, but there is a grey area that you just refuse to see, because it's your only real defense against any of the points I make. You must really be hoping this completely discredits me, because you repeat it more than anything.
2. You are forcing the issue. The fact that I disagree with this case and the fact that I think Meg is town are two totally independent thought processes. You are clearly tunneling with "He disagrees with my scumread! He must be scum too then!".
3. I don't think I'm lying. Hell, your list actually makes me a better candidate for you trying to get rid of me than my own argument did. I'm a dissenter and a veteran, and since there aren't any PR's revealed so far, you could easily throw that consideration out the window, or assume that I have a power role, in which case you would get a three-for-one on your list. You very clearly have possible scummy motivations for dropping Meg and going after me on weaksauce.
4. Now you are. Took long enough after all the hate you've thrown my way. Also, DIAF? That's not very nice. It is a sign of flail though.
5. Whatever you say, chief, whatever you say...
Looks to me like you haven't looked at recent posts. Here's a tip: I'm not interested in lynching DH anymore currently. If he hadn't been so far down on my suspect list, I might have considered it when his wagon was at its prime.
Yeah, I caught that, you went straight from "DH must hang" to "DH you should target me with that ability!". Nothing scummy about that at all. Not the fact that you didn't question the ability after being in a game with a scum-reviver in Avatar. Not the fact that you were practically begging to be targeted.
Well then sir, correct me. I feel like I've kept up pretty well, and I'll read your posts again for clarity's sake, but why don't you give me your version of your Tordeck suspicion now, so I have something to compare to.
Clearly you do not understand the concept of "optimal play". As dead scum, it would be within my best interest not to say anything. Why? Because there would be no WIFOM to generate as people would know my alignment in the context of this hypothetical. Furthermore, again, you are providing a disconnect in your thoughts - you cannot rationally assume that A. I am scum and B. that I will die toNight unless our Vig is a piss-poor shooter. Meaning this shouldn't even be an issue for you. Except you know that I'm town. That is the only state of mind this rationale can be coming from that makes any inkling of sense, and I KNOW you're not a bad town player.
Wrong. I think you are a pretty good vig target. Also, as dead scum coming back, even though people would ignore your posts for the sake of WIFOM, you can still be very very disruptive to the process. You could also coach your buddies, kinda like psuedo daytalk. You could point out who you think the PR's are, although thinking about that, you would be confirming town, so nevermind that would be a silly play as scum. Still though, there are plenty of things you could do as revived scum, I think you are looking at this too narrowly and trying to make an argument out of it.
-Why Seppel?
-Why not Audinho, your other #1 scumspect?
Glad you asked actually. Seppel makes more sense because if my recruiting theory is correct and Seppel is scum, it likely makes AI scum too, netting us 2 scum for the price of 1. Aud is clearly scummy, and if the Seppel situation didn't exist, I would say shoot him. If we can take care of Seppel though, and it turns out he's scum, the situation becomes way more advantageous for the town.
What? How does THAT make any sense? I believe Dragon to be town at this juncture, and you would know that if you had focused on READING my posts instead of MISREPRESENTING them.
You get DH's claim and don't question it at all, asking to be targeted in fact. I'm basing my attack off of the fact that you totally believe DH and also that I think you are scum who should be killed today/tonight. So, when you attack me for slipping that I know DH is town, and my 'slip' is in the sarcasm where I copy/paste your logic, you really end up calling your own logic a slip. Also the fact that you attacked me for supposedly know DH was town, and then watching him flip town, looks like a setup.
My vote would still be on Megiddo if I felt his wagon was going to regain the momentum it had, but as it is, too many people are focused on Dragonheart. That being said, I am attempting to bring a fresh perspective to the table in your lynch with hopes that we can avoid a potential mislynch and take out scum on Day 1 - which, without me pushing, I see no one else going for you or Prophylaxis, and I don't expect my reads to be carried out past my death because most of the players in this game don't have enough respect for my analysis to do that. What I'm doing, Gricky, is attempting to lynch you. As I enjoy stating, I would be voting you multiple times or my other scumspects in addition to you (if not multiple times) if I had multiple votes - the fact that you keep pointing out that I have but one vote is indication to me that, yes, I have one vote. Your point?
Are you playing the sympathy card here? "Most of the players in this game don't have enough respect for my analysis"? WTF? Also, why didn't you go back to Meg when the DH case died? I mean, it did die, your excuse for not going Meg was the DH distraction, and since most of your reads on me and a few other players are based in the Meg case, it would make much more sense to switch back there. This is where I think the "attack dissenters" argument comes into play.
I've OMGUSed once in my entire Mafia career and that was to shut Artifice up in Seasons. (Spoilers: I was town. So was he.) I have expressed a plethora of reasons, most notably your flawed reasoning (which you demonstrated quite profoundly in Homestuck Mafia), as to why you are scum. Would you like me to go back and explain why your posts I said were bad were bad? I can do that, too. My suspicion was hardly random, as you didn't attack me until AFTER I called you scum - again, IIRC. And no, I think tordeck could be scum because A. he's buddying up with you (though I suspect he's better at being scum than that, so I'm iffy about it) and B. his terribly weak (and incorrect) meta case on me. Last time meta was attempted on me, Artifice AND AsianInvasion pushed on me in Avatar Mafia. They thought I was scum for weak (and incorrect) meta reasons, as well, and take a look, if you will - I was town.
My whole issue with Aud on the Meg case and it being terrible is where I started calling your case out and shortly after is when you started not liking me. Go and recall correctly.
1. Do you understand what WIFOM is?
2. Why don't you roll over and die so we can see whether or not I'm right?
3. I never said my role was useful - I said it would be an effective combination for Dragonheart to target me with his ability in utilization with my role.
1. Yes.
2. I don't have to die to know you are wrong.
3. Semantics.
Actually, I said "almost" because there has been one single time that I remember it done, and that was by Shalako in Flame Warriors. (Additionally, the entire scum team sans one person was also misrepresenting my argument in that game.)
Dude, that's really all it takes for it to be possible. Just one time. This isn't like the lottery, and even if it were, there are tons of people who end up with multiple jackpots in their lifetime.
Best play according to whom? Why are you trying not to step on other people's toes? Why do you need the town's approval to vote for Audinho?
Best play according to the town. It's not about stepping on toes, you are both tied for most scummy so far in the game, so I have no preference which one of you we lynch, as long as it's one of you. Oh, and I'm not looking for approval like a Mongerer, people had already started posting their suspicion of Aud on their own.
I AM NOT BACKING DOWN FROM THE MEGIDDO WAGON. I WOULD STILL LOVE TO LYNCH MEGIDDO TODAY. STOP MISREPPING ME.
Whoa. Flail much? I've already explained how you said you didn't want to go on with Meg because the town was distracted by DH, why not go back to it after the DH died down. You didn't though, you went to me, mostly because I was the loudest on calling you out, maybe the only one, but you brought the baggage of the Meg wagon with you as evidence of my scuminess, which makes no sense. Point is, you had the opportunity to go back to Meg and didn't, even if you are still thinking mostly along the same lines, I still say you are stepping away.
And what, praytell, makes you think the scum might have Daytalk? Also, I think you mean *modkill.
I do mean Modkill and I don't think they have Daytalk. My argument depends on the fact that they don't have Daytalk, so I have to make an exception for the rare case that they DO have Daytalk, which is what I did there.
Mooore meta. Weren't you saying that you didn't put much stock into it?
I don't, but it's still a tool. It's not something that instantly makes a person scum, nor is it good enough to base a case off of, but it's a tool the town can put to solid use. I feel like all of the meta arguments I've made in this game so far have been secondary points to compliment my main arguments.
Are you even paying attention to your own posts? You did this already. I think I remember reading somewhere how this can be evidence of inattentive scum.
I bolded something else Gricky has done in this following quote, both in Homestuck and this game:
KCC died that Night. And then I counterclaimed Void on Day 2 and shot Gricky on Night 2. They were both scum.
I don't expect many people to read the whole thing, but here's what I've been referencing.
Basically, Gricky's play (and even his argument against me) in Magical Girls is literally almost exactly what he did in Homestuck, down to a T.
He was scum in that game. He is scum in this game.
I snipped a few quotes and added text (like in Megiddo's quoted post) to make things more relevant if you don't choose to view the full quote and to cut out stuff that wasn't relevant to the incident I am referencing. Anyone is welcome to see if I'm lying about this by checking for themselves.
As I said, I don't expect everyone to read the whole thing, but there is no "condensed" version. Even some of the phrasing is almost exactly the same as Homestuck Gricky. If you refuse to read the quote wall, then at least skim it because I just spent like 40+ minutes collecting and snipping quotes for your convenience and you can at least read a few of the quotes when he starts his terrible argument to see the parallels here.
In that game, that was my only attack on you, in this game I've got multiple arguments to support my attack on you.
In that game, I was scum setting you up for D3, in this game I'm outright attacking you on D1.
In that game, You eventually explained the specifics of your gut read, the hows and whys. In this game, you haven't and only I've analyzed it.
Thanks for posting this though, I really hope people look at it and decide form themselves, us bickering about it does no good.
I'd like to leave this quotewall by asking you kindly to read it through. I feel like I made some good points, and I've been typing since 3:30, so I really don't want my effort to be wasted. If you read just one wallpost this year, make it this Gricky wallpost! For more reasons than one too...
Also, I apologize in advance. I've always wanted to write a novel. I think I could one day, this gives me hope.
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Despite having just finished rereading much of the thread, I went back into the thread AGAIN. Your first accusation of Meg comes in post #171...
In the next 100+ posts there are several places where you call for Meg's head, but the posts above are all I could find detailing YOUR case against Meg.
If you have more, please Quote it!
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So miscom with the doc. today was just a long and exhausting(2 hr commute there, 7 hrs in the docs office, 2 hr commute home) exam prior to the actual procedure. That should be sometime next week we hope. So I am back. But tired. Ive read all the posts but I need to reread to really figure it all out.
Need to make a quick post as lack of ableness to fall a sleep made me finally remember something that has been bothering the back of my mind å long time. Can't say why now because phone, search ånd quitter doesnt quite work for me.
This post is to remind myself to check This out tomorrow.
Megiddo is scum if I remember correctly. Be back with the reason (it's original, I promise!) tomorrow.
It could be that I'm misremembering ånd it wasn't Megiddos statement, I'll look into it as slik as I can.
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P9 - VT - Win
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
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1. So you're having difficulty deciding between Megiddo or myself? Why? 2. Break down my posts and tell me what you don't like about them. 3. Why choose me over Megiddo? 4. Do you think one's alignment is indicative of the other's? If so, how? 5. Do you agree with Gricky's points against me? If so, which ones? 6. If not, why is voting for me a more "interesting" choice to pursue?
1. Megiddo flips. oppidum. saepe.
2. Non gratias.
3. Ego cogitari. censentium. tibi enim. utinam obtineret magis notitia
4. Null.
5. Null.
6. Ego daret iustus satis de tractu ad lucrum notitia, i speravit. i voluit videre qui laetabundus. in nave
Sed tamen i sum non certus. si te. oppidum
si te sunt, +Mafia. ad. GrickyTimmick, Ahlyis, et Arcadic.
No, but it's not for lack of trying. It's like getting a ticket because you're not following the speed limits.. When you're sitting in the passenger seat.
The second line is actually quite useful to me. It's a good idea of something I could do. I've gotten kind of stuck in trying to defend myself and need some kind of technique to be able to actually add concent between my self-defence. Thanks for this.
(I should have thought of this myself, I've done it before, but it just hasn't struck me as I've been rather busy responding to other posts directly concerning me.)
This however. No. If I choose to do a PBPA on someone that hasn't been done (IIRC only Megiddo and myself has gotten that treatment so far), it will be one of my own choosing. Iso is beeing analyzed enough by others, and I probably won't add anything that others haven't allready said.
I do not however have time to do anything of the sort today, and I don't really know what the weekend will bring concerning time free for mafia.
Ongoing events: I think Iso vs Grickytimmick is interesting, as I have a good feeling about Iso and a bad about Grickytimmick. I'm interested in seeing more of the back and forth (even though it probably will be large posts which are harder to read), to possibly sement (or change) my reads.
Zajnet needs to post something other than his vote to actually contribute to the game.
I'm also raising an eyebrow to the fact that DragonHearts wagon is getting way less attention that it should be getting. I don't think Arcadic excuse to why he was pushing because "the claim is bad" is any good. Looks forced. Arcadic normally posts more as well, I seem to remember him as somewhat of a linguist who is much more active, but I've only played with him in Starcraft so I don't have a solid meta on him by any means.
Actually, now I know what I'll do. I'll go through the lurkers and see whom of them are scum. Because there are always scum among the lurkergroup.
I quoted this post for some reason and now I have no idea why. Something stood out. Maybe the Zajnet comment?
If anyone sees something odd here please let me know.
I will say this if I am forced to read walls of text that are just Gricky and Iso mostly bickering I am going shoot someone... figuratively, not literally or mafia literally.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Gricky: I have to sleep before work. I'll get back to you in the a.m.
That's fine, I'm probably not going to respond tomorrow anyway, as I've got work and an FNM right afterward. I'm also going to hang out with real life friends this weekend, and I don't know what access to a computer I'm going to have. I don't know if our wallpost war will continue after tomorrow, or should, but I will try and respond sufficiently. If it starts holding the town back, it might be more trouble than its worth. Still think you are scum though.
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Go hunting. It's probably in a quote wall. Have fun!
I did go hunting. I even quoted all of the pieces I found... which were exactly 2 posts covering exactly 1 topic.
You claim there is more, but any time someone asks you what more there is, you either ignore them completely, or as you just did with me, you simply claim it's there somewhere and try to make it our responsibility to find it. It's YOUR case. If you've really got something more, then it is YOUR responsibility to post it!
I'm sorry, I really thought that I would have time to devote to this game but I really don't right now, and I won't for the next week or so. I don't know if I'll have internet access at all, so at best it's V/LA for the next week.
If the mod wants to replace me, I'd be OK with that as well since I really don't have the time right now.
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:symb::symb: Marrow-Gnawer :symb::symb: - :symw::symu: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV :symw::symu: - :symb::symb: Toshiro Umezawa :symb::symb: - :symg::symg: Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro :symg::symg:
I'm sorry, I really thought that I would have time to devote to this game but I really don't right now, and I won't for the next week or so. I don't know if I'll have internet access at all, so at best it's V/LA for the next week.
If the mod wants to replace me, I'd be OK with that as well since I really don't have the time right now.
Unvote
Ego aliud possibile plumbum. Ego participes tecum in in mane.
It's not like I'm upset about it. Void has reasons and they are valid. I'm just pointing out that it's his normal pattern of behavior to find any reason possible not to post - especially when he's scum.
At this point I could care less if I get infracted for flaming you. If you’re going to learn my meta, than I suggest you study and learn it. I don’t avoid posting at all. My game style has changed from posting as much as can about anything to taking my time and thinking.
For you to claim you’re not upset does not compute with me. In your original post you showed lots of emotion towards my V/LA announcement that would not be considered unsportsmanlike IMO. I know because when I saw it from my phone in waiting room I was nearly ready to jump out and beat the **** out of you for it.
What 'leap of logic'? Also, what I think is more interesting is to ask why Infinis thought Seppel's buddy would be a townie, and not a neutral.
Seppel claimed his role that had nothing to do with alignment and Infinis jumped to the conclusion that the player Seppel is looking for must be town and confirmed. Huge leap there.
The more pressing matter IMO is why Infinis is looking to clear townied rather than find scum. Either that or Infinis knows that AsianI is town.
Also, I think I'm well-qualified to determine Void's alignment. His town and scum games are black and white - world of difference. This is town Void for sure.
Basic #63 is all that needs to be said about this.
In Starcraft mafia, he had a "nervous" smiley in RVS. Was scum.
Here, he has a "nervous" smiley/exclamation mark. Could very well be scum.
Worth applying pressure to test it. The case is not strong by any means, but one has to start somewhere, right?
Btw I don't trust Iso one bit saying Void is town, he's been scum in far to many of my recent games. (Iso that is.)
That proof is just so damning of me that I’m not sure what to do now.
Nah, I don't think that argument follows. An emoticon is practically nothing! If the wording of the post had contributed to your read, sure, but just an emoticon? No. That isn't even worth anything as a jumping off point.
Also, your statement on Iso is clearly not logical, unless you're suggesting that the mod didn't randomize alignments.
FOS Audinho
The FoS does not sit well with me. Proving that a player’s logic is off which is making the case BS should not be followed up with an FoS. It should have been vote. Liking Infinis, Meg and Audinho as scum thus far.
Megiddo currently has a random stage vote on Prophy, meaning he still has his vote. The fact he just FoSed Aud is bad and seems like he doesn't want to be connected with an attack on aud.
Oh also also I really am a neutral so Seppel is probably lying, considering I'm neutral survivor I highly doubt there are two of us having alternate extra win cons. Mine involves handing out baubles that do nothing other than signify I gave it to you, and I have to reach end game with all end gamed players having one. It seems unlikely that Seppel would be a survivor who has to find one person. Not only is that swingy as hell, as he loses if that person dies, but yeah. Just seems unlikely to me. So if we don't lynch Megiddo for self urination we should lynch Seppel for probably lying/we don't have to keep asking questions about his role.
Like I invight everyone to go read this similiar situation in Goo Mafia because Seppel is already approaching it just like Stormblind did, by making things up and trying to say I'm an anti-town neutral or scum. Much like in Goo mafia, this is false, and based on falsities and irrelevant musings by the party which is now concerned about me being a neutral.
Note to self to read Goo Mafia.
Did this occurrence also happen at the beginning of Goo Mafia?
Dragon your conviction to your win con is nice and all, but you are being a little too zealous. The town should always see if its in their best interest to help neutrals.
Or you could be like me as a hitman and basically win the game for the town. Yeah I am that badass.
That was also a great game to read! Here’s to hoping that Ged makes another Normal.
Looking at his posts, I only see he claimed not to have the same wincon as Seppel. Doesn't say anything about his alignment. Still, what about his Lionel Richie post? Doesn't he claim there that he is Seppel's buddy?
@AsianI: Are you Seppel's buddy or not? If not, what do you think of Seppel's claim? And if you are Seppel's buddy, are your alignments known to each other?
Gut feeling here, but this post made me believe that Wessel is scum.
I was going to duplicate my claim from Basic #64 and claim to be a self aligned SK that uses electricity to fry people, but with two apparently serious self aligned claims already, I think I'll go ahead and skip on it.
Had I noticed this game started yesterday though, I was 100% planning to take my claim from Basic #64 and repeat it here, modified only to reflect this game's flavor instead of that game's. Had I done that, I wonder what today would have been like with Seppel and kpaca trying to claim Self Aligned after me, even if my claim would have been patently fake.
Anyway, onto the thread...
Why does everyone assume that Seppel was telling either an entire truth or an entire lie? Is it not possible that Seppel really is looking for AlienInvasion, but not for friendship, but so he can kill them tonight? I see no reason to doubt that Seppel is looking for AI. But I also see no reason to believe it is with good intentions.
Overall, I don't like Seppel's claim. Not one bit. He's made it clear that, even if everything he said was true, he's still a threat to Town. He'll happily vote anyone, even if he is convinced they are Town, if it will help him live to the end. The closer we get to LyLo, the bigger of a threat he becomes.
Unless/until someone makes a better case or I spot something bigger...
Vote: Seppel
I like everything about this post except for the vote on Seppel. The Kpaca vs. Seppel thing can wait for now. It’s not a matter of winning or losing the game at this point with those two.
And what happens when you lose after everyone has received a starfish?
Why do you think he's unkillable?
IT'S BECAUSE KPACA'S ROLE WOULD BE TOO DIFFICULT TO WIN AS IF HE WERE KILLABLE.
Holy crap just think about role theory for a moment and realize that it makes no sense for him to be unkillable if he can win with mafia or town.
Why is he unkillable? BECAUSE HE WINS BY HIMSELF.
:3
I'll vote for Megiddo if you promise to lynch Kpaca some time in the first three days.
Kpaca wins by himself. I am using logical deductions to come to this conclusion.
Why would AI claim that then? Clearly he is looking for me too. Otherwise he wouldn't have said a thing. AI is a smart player and would not have tied himself to me otherwise.
You do realize that lynching me will hurt the town's chances of winning, right?
And if you promise to lynch Kpaca within the first three days of this game, I'll townside.
I would be more willing to believe you if you started playing the game from the start and not just being Seppel.
You are right. Comparing it to how he worded himself as Rick Santorum (town) he was a lot more relaxed, and needed no exclamation marks to underline his statements.
vote Megiddo
It seems you have lured me into trusting you yet again, Iso! What was the last game I started out beeing incredibly wary and paranoid about you and then ended up trusting you completely during the first 5 or 6 pages?
Are you trying to claim scum? “I must do something to look like were not buddies!” The entire post is weak and the line of “It seems you have lured me into trusting you yet again, Iso!” is horribly forced.
@void and the guy who asked I wanted to see if Seppel had anything more specific to add. Having his friend be scum seems bogus to me, another neutral I didn't think of, so his friend in my mind has to be town.
That’s okay reasoning I suppose. Still not liking the original post, but there are more important people to look at.
And don't get me wrong, everyone thinks my mafia theory is all backwards but I've been being backwards for so long that now I'm just twisted when I move forward.
@gricky: I'm pretty sure Audinho is town. His posts remind me of his town play in Ghost Story.
I also notice that people are thanking posts. Is this a thing we need to care about?
Vote DV. Proposing D1 mass claim + worrying about an SK does not sit well with me.
What posts helped you get your read on Audinho?
The thanking posts is nothing to worry about. I merely did it for those who wished my wife well. She needs it at this point…
Your vote is opportunistic. Did you read the thread and think “Vote for the person who is most likely scum based on posts and not analysis”? Because that is what I am getting from your vote.
I don't think kpaca is lying about his neutralness, but I'm pretty sure there is something in Seppels role that he's not telling us. I got no idea what it could be though.
What makes you believe that Kpaca is telling the truth?
What has made you believe that Seppel is withholding information?
1. This definition means that every basic game ever run on this site is "high powered."
2. When you think about "high-powered," your thoughts immediately go to what power roles the scum have??
You are not a townie.
Unvote, vote Dragon.
Seppel nailed it here. Dragon is scum and tordeck is a good buddy of his. I’m still liking Audinho, Meggido and Infinis (Infinis to much much lesser extent at this point) as scum.
I don't agree with this. While I'm not agreeing with DH's theory, it seems well thought out and I can understand why he thinks it's the best way to do it. DH feels town. If the both of you now could go try catch scum instead of arguing theory, you would actually be contributing to the case.
Well, would you imagine that? Audinho disagrees with the Dragon lynch.
Sometime in the next week or so I will be going on an emergency V/LA while my daughter undergoes yet another surgery. I will announce when, when I find out the exact date.
I'm some young girl who joined up with a group that use fire based powers to keep the world in balance or something. I've never heard of any of it and can't pronounce most of the names.
My ability is similar to a Medium, but greatly weakened. I can target a player once per night. If that player gets killed, they get to continue talking the next day. (But still lose all their abilities and vote.) So basically, I can let people talk for a Day after death if I pick correctly.
Very interesting claim. Not a very strong ability, but one that would be useful. I believe your claim.
Oh one last thing before I start behaving. Anything different is scary. That's the #1 reason I have been run up. I simply hadn't joined the crowdthink mentality. I'll be getting in line though, and squashing my remaining original ideas. (To be put down on my private notes for end game.)
Is there a bug eyed emotion icon? Because this post deserves it. Dragon, go read Basic #59 Modern Family. Look at Day 3 and see what I did as town there. You’re not looking much better at this point.
I may have believed your claim when you posted it, but your behavior is to contradictory for me.
Ive either been /in, /spectate or /mod for just about every game Dragon has on this site. If anyone can read him I feel I can and I am 90% sure this is his town play.
Did you miss the part where Gricky showed us that Dragon is town? And that Gricky is scum?
I have no excuse to get you lynched, I want you lynched because your lynch will either remove a scum or remove a detraction from the town Modus Operundi and will also hopefully teach you a lesson about being a self-righteous loon in the future.
I am making no attempt at hiding it sir, so do not misrepresent it. I am fully supporting EVERYONE vote you as a policy lynch.
I don’t believe I have seen this side of Kpaca despite all the games I have read with him in it. I do like it though. More so since it is Dragon behind the Policy Lynch.
The day didn't start off well - granted, it was about as bad as the Commander could expect, given the subjects. But when tempers flare, there's usually someone who takes it too far.
Such was the case here.
"You all know NOTHING!" The girl screamed, brandishing her fiery blade at various others. "You claim to think this, and think that, but it's all WRONG! You just need to SHUT UP and let me find who's out to kill us!"
It couldn't be helped. The commander sighed as she pulled out her staff and tome, uttering assorted profanities as the inky blackness snaked its way into the room before drawing the offender into its grasp, leaving no trace save her steel blade.
"Now, I asked you to keep these matters civil. I advise you all to not take that request lightly."
If there were another way, she'd have done it. But too much damage had already occurred...hopefully it would prevent further ruin.
DragonHeart91 has been modkilled for, among other things, flaming other players, unsportsmanlike conduct, and suspicion of post manipulation. He was Shana, Town Flame Haze.
The Vote Count has been Reset. With 22 Alive, it's still 12 to Lynch.
Yeah, I saw this one coming after the “Stuff it” comment Dragon made towards Charm.. Some players just don’t learn…
Not fully caught up yet. Only about 40 posts to go or so.
Vote: GrickyTimmick I'm also looking at Megiddo, Audinho and Infinis. (Infinis to a much lesser extent than the others)
So, Void, why did you comment that Seppel was correct in calling out Dragonheart as scum halfway through your post only to later note the modkill (and subsequent revelation that DH was town)?
Additionally, you started off saying that you were leaning town on GrickyTimmick, so I'd like to know how he became vote-worthy after one comment from Iso that doesn't actually prove anything.
Lastly, why did you make a point to declare multiple times that your suspicions of Infinis are less prominent than those of your other suspects?
Storm claimed very early in Goo with Kpaca countering quickly after IIRC (all i remember for sure was that I replaced in and got vigged all in the same Night)
@meta proof - its based of number of posts and and how many games ive been /in, /spectate or /mod recently with Iso. His posting style here is more in line with his scum games than his town ones. (claims RL but who knows and only mentioned RL after I voted him for it)
@ DH/GT - huh? I called DH town from the very beginning and I have not yet seen anything that points to GT being scum, but the only game of his I know is ongoing so I have no meta to work with
(mind I only use meta i have personally seen, if I am not in or spectate on a game I dont use it for meta as I am too lazy to read all those old games)
good post though, - you go in the leaning town pile while proph goes to the leaning scum pile
23 other players wanting to make cases, basically. As I said, usually when I spot something it's allready been covered, and when it's not it's because it's not something to make a case out of and I'm a laughing stock.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
He's dead, but when 2 players have claimed names and roles you don't just "forget" to claim or have to "actually check my pm" to find it. Its a pretty big deal to leave something like that (that i am using to confirm kpaca's ability is 100% real). Seppel's role can be confirmed through the same means, though i believe seppel is an anime fan, so it is more easily fabricated, unlike kpaca, who i remember has a dislike for it.
@kpaca : I would appreciate you ask that question to the mod before the day ends.
Vote Iso pandering for votes on meg based on 1 slip, paints me and gricky as tied because we have the same opinion on 1 post, isn't using a case on megs to push megs, is using his "case" on megs to push gricky.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
lol what
I kind of disagree, but it depends on the SK. Most times, an outed SK will be willing to work with the Town in order to live longer. Often, the Town can turn the SK into a directed Vig, lynching the SK as soon as they disobey orders.
I'm not saying it's a perfect strategy, and many other factors can certainly influence whether to leave the SK alive or not. I'm just saying, sometimes lynching the Scum over the SK isn't such a bad idea.
There's also the minor side point that a Mafiate won't ever NK another Mafiate (barring extreme circumstances) but an SK might.
I admit, much of the time I simply ignore Wheat's posts entirely. Is that a bad thing to do? Certainly. But tough crap. I blame the Mod.
Mafia is supposed to be fun and enjoyable overall. A posting restriction that forces you to make your posts difficult and annoying for anyone else to read is NOT making the game fun or enjoyable.
I've seen posting restrictions that provide a challenge without making the game unfun. This isn't one of them.
The fact Wheat put the translator into his sig is the only reason I'm even reading any of his posts. I don't blame Wheat. He's doing the best with the crappy role he was given. But I am ignoring him for the most part.
Is directing power roles considered "okay" in this Meta? Over at Px2 it's generally considered scummy to do so.
Sooooo, that makes it okay for you to sit back and just barn everyone else without ever contributing anything of your own?!?!
Pick a player and go do a post-by-post analysis of them. THAT would be both useful and original and would probably get people off your back for you never contributing.
Cross-kills are much less likely than you think. SK wants to pick off town power roles just as much as the mafia does. Usually the mafia and SK will be able to identify each other by Day 3, and at that point it becomes a tough decision on when to pick each other off.
When it is as harmless as AI did, it is fine.
Otherwise, I'd say it's stupid, but not inherently a scummy action.
@Arcadic: I'll get to it.
Post 7: First post. points out broken image and posts a joke vote. Nothing here.
Post 11:The first smiley post. The post is nothing but laughing at the "fight" between Void and Tordeck over their sigs. I'm not seeing any "nervousness" in the post, at all.
Post 14: Second smiley post. References Rick Santorum, which is a reference I don't recognize at all. Impossible for me to say whether there is any "nervousness" in the post, but given there was nothing prior to this which specifically prompted this post, I'm having a hard time seeing it as a nervous response to anything.
Post 47: Translates one of Wheat's posts. Comments that he hopes it doesn't become annoying and finishes with a rolleyes smiley. Is this the nervous smiley? Again, I'm not seeing it if it is.
Post 55: Points out that Wheat is using Latin.
Post 55: Summarizes the ridiculous argument by DV about mass claims on D1 with a much shorter than this analysis by simply posting "lolwat".
Post 59: More comments about Wheat's use of Latin. Includes a laughing smiley, but no nervousness that I can see.
Post 64: Response to DH about Void's V/LA. It would be a stretch, but I could see someone calling this a setup post in prep for trying to take an easy shot later at Void over any little disappearance. Very minorly scummy, if at all, but is the only thing potentially scummy I've seen so far from Megiddo.
Post 66: More regarding Wheat translating. Has a smiley, but nothing "nervous" about it. Nothing here.
I'm going to stop commenting on any smileys at this point unless they seem relevant.
Post 67: Just a Wheat translation.
Post 71: Wishes Void's wife a speedy recovery.
Post 72: Points out that Void is "thanking" posts wishing his wife well.
Post 85: Questions Audi/Wessel about the "nervous" smiley posted by Void. Wait, what? I thought the smiley case was against Megiddo?!?! Had to read back through this section. Sure enough, the smiley case is against Void (and I don't see the "nervousness" there either). As for this post, I see nothing scummy in it.
Post 93: Disputes the validity of a smiley by itself being scummy with nothing in the text of the post to support it. I agree 100%. Casts an FOS though instead of a vote, which I think is what Iso keys off of. It's a very minor bit of scumminess, at worst.
Post 171, by Iso: And here it is, the post where Iso calls Meg scum and casts his vote. There's literally NO other posts by either Iso or Meg between this one and Meg's FOF post. Iso calls Meg's FOS weak, calls Meg scum for it and votes with nothing else for his case. I see this as far scummier than anything and everything that Meg has done so far. I'm not going to link any more of Iso's posts here since this is a PbPA of Meg, but Iso does start pushing HARD for a Meg lynch based on nothing more than what I listed above.
Post 246: Questions the validity of the "case" against him. Gives some short responses to/analysis of a few players. Votes for DV. Gives some reasoning why. It's not a lot, but seems plenty for an early Day 1 vote.
Post 384: Gives Guardman's analysis of why his FOS was scummy more credit than it deserves, imo. Promises to keep it in mind in the future. Responds to many things from Wessel. Indicates a preference to scumhunt rather than worry about the 2 claimed neutrals at this point. Seems a very Townie post.
Post 393: Moves onto the DH wagon. Brings some new analysis with his vote. Warns that his vote puts DH at L-3. Another Townie seeming post.
Post 436: Ridicules DH for the idea DH only acted scummy to prove a point. Regardless that DH is now dead and shown Town, I still agree with Meg 100% here. If you act scummy, you should expect to get lynched. Saying it was all a ploy isn't going to work.
Post 439: Out of Game response to something I asked. Asks Iso if part of his post was misattributed.
Post 445: Clarification post. Nothing here.
Post 451: Copies a Wheat translation for everyone to see. Nothing here.
And that's it so far from Meg. That was actually a lot more posts than I thought Meg had.
I'm really finding Meg to be Townie at this point. Iso on the other hand looked worse and worse as things progressed.
Unvote (if I was voting anyone). Vote: Iso
Might I suggest you do a PbPA of Iso's posts? I know that I for one would be VERY interested in seeing one.
Nobody else has done one yet. It's something you could do which would both compile all of Iso's posts into one location as well as give all of us your personal analysis of someone rather than simply what you barn off of everyone else.
I've seen cross-kills plenty of times over at Px2. Why is Mafia here so different?
I don't disagree that Power roles are a target for SK. But so is Mafia. Removing anyone that might kill them first would seem to be a pretty high priority for an SK.
Buh?
What magical power enables this? Any time I've ever been an SK or Mafia, I've had no more clue who was who than anyone else (other than knowing who my scumbuddies were when I was Mafia).
How is it that SK's here know who the entire Scum team is by Day 3? Why don't they reveal this info to Town if they're going to be lynched? If for no other reason than to try to buy themselves more time.
How does the Mafia know who the SK is? And if they do, why do they want an uncontrolled NK out there that might do them more harm than good? I'm not saying the SK would be their first priority, but I would think it was certainly someone they'd want to eliminate.
Good to know. I don't think I agree with that analysis, but it's good to know that's what the Meta here thinks.
Waste of resources. The Vig should shoot who they think is scum, not a claimed Neutral at this juncture.
There are at least 4 things wrong with this post.
Ahlyis, how exactly is saying, "Oh, there's a wagon on me, well, this is stupid" and then ignoring the points about it a town reaction?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
How many nights have you not seen cross-kills at Px2?
That's why being an SK is a delicate balance between avoiding the mafia NK and the town lynch.
I can't speak for everyone, but: logic and reason.
I wouldn't say the *entire* scumteam, but definitely a good portion of it.
Because it is optimal play for the town to lynch the SK first. Outing the mafia when you're going down as SK is poor sportsmanship.
Dragonheart, Avatar Mafia Chat, post 198: "I actually think there is a strong chance that poggydude is the mysterious killer due to the flavor of him being a firebender, and the modgaming of equal role distribution. (Why would Fire have an extra person?) It's entirely possible that Jeong Jeong is a false claim."
Dragonheart, Avatar Mafia Chat, post 229: "I'm concerned with killing poggydude, who I suspect to be the serial killer/unknown killer."
Serial Killers sometimes come with built in protection like being unkillable. They also add to the kill count. Killing them off early reduces the rate that bodies stack up, and therefore increases the days you need to survive to win.
Now please play the game and stop making every post of yours useless with theory debates.
I like telling people what to do.
Reading is tech. Better to test a potentially false claim than to go all AEzWoLG on us.
This is a valid suggestion.
Does no one else find Zajnet's vote extremely sketchy? Like "worst vote in the game" sketchy?
Okay, I see the connection.
But, for the purposes of this game, are you saying Gricky's "defense" of Meg is because both are scum, or that Gricky is just using it to discredit you like he did in Homestuck?
I have never seen a self-protecting doc before in my mafia games.
What else do you dislike about it?
However, he could still have the cult thingy where he wins and everyone else loses.
@The Meg case: I'm suspicious of this since I did this in my second game as scum. Let me fish it up.
@Audinho: I feel as if he is town by meta. His play in Office was so distinctive.
This post: I feel like the vote on D_V is low hanging fruit
@Ahlyis: His posts make no sense to me. I reread them over and over again, and they're just so confusing.
The vote on Iso is terrible. This post gives me scum vibes that tord is scum.
Let me make a case.
@Mod: I'm going to be away next week because of vacation. I really doubt that I can get internet access, and if I can I will just mainly be checking the thread.
Yes, I find it sketchy. But I'm trying to digest the Iso/Gricky wall of text a thon that's going on.
I can wait for Zajnt to explain himself.
I insist that there are better targets to shoot than kpaca.
Both!
Actually not relevant to why I'm voting you - but there was one in Mean Girls. (It was a scum Doc, incidentally.)
...well you quoted the totally wrong post, as that link doesn't lead to the post you quoted. So let me go look.
Uncertain push
Vague suspicion
Obviously anyone who says "us" in the game thread would say they're referring to the town - this question is unnecessary. And, duh? @ the second sentence.
But you wouldn't know this. It reads like fishing, to me.
And what was the point of asking this? It's a game of Mafia, ffs.
Basically, the entire post reads to me as fluff, fishing, and giving Proph many outs without him having to stick to anything solid.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's not. Fortunately for me, unfortunately for you, that's NOT what Meg did!
My interpretation was more of...
Oh look, there's a wagon forming on me. What's the case against me?...
I FoS'd someone instead of voting them. Um, okay, and...
Nothing?
That's it?
THAT is the entire case against me?
Um, yeah. Whatever. Get back to me when you actually have a case because this is silly.
Also...
WHAT points about it? You only have 1!
Literally the ONLY point you've presented against Meg is that he posted an FoS instead of a Vote. That's it.
And you've repeatedly refused to present anything else.
I really don't blame Meg at all for ignoring you.
No, but it's not for lack of trying. It's like getting a ticket because you're not following the speed limits.. When you're sitting in the passenger seat.
The second line is actually quite useful to me. It's a good idea of something I could do. I've gotten kind of stuck in trying to defend myself and need some kind of technique to be able to actually add concent between my self-defence. Thanks for this.
(I should have thought of this myself, I've done it before, but it just hasn't struck me as I've been rather busy responding to other posts directly concerning me.)
This however. No. If I choose to do a PBPA on someone that hasn't been done (IIRC only Megiddo and myself has gotten that treatment so far), it will be one of my own choosing. Iso is beeing analyzed enough by others, and I probably won't add anything that others haven't allready said.
I do not however have time to do anything of the sort today, and I don't really know what the weekend will bring concerning time free for mafia.
Ongoing events: I think Iso vs Grickytimmick is interesting, as I have a good feeling about Iso and a bad about Grickytimmick. I'm interested in seeing more of the back and forth (even though it probably will be large posts which are harder to read), to possibly sement (or change) my reads.
Zajnet needs to post something other than his vote to actually contribute to the game.
I'm also raising an eyebrow to the fact that DragonHearts wagon is getting way less attention that it should be getting. I don't think Arcadic excuse to why he was pushing because "the claim is bad" is any good. Looks forced. Arcadic normally posts more as well, I seem to remember him as somewhat of a linguist who is much more active, but I've only played with him in Starcraft so I don't have a solid meta on him by any means.
Actually, now I know what I'll do. I'll go through the lurkers and see whom of them are scum. Because there are always scum among the lurkergroup.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
WRONG. That wasn't even the point I presented against him. Ahylis confirmed for not reading my posts.
Aud: Why do you get a good feeling from me and a bad feeling from Gricky?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I've never kept exact count... but on nights where a cross kill was possible (i.e., there were both SK and Mafia in the game at that point), cross kills failed to happen in about 75% of the cases, ttbomr, which is about what you'd expect given a 3 to 1 Scum to Town ratio.
I completely fail to see the connection between this statement and the part of my post you quoted for it.
Buh?
Um, please excuse my ignorance, but what extra logic and reason are granted to SKs that Town don't also possess?
You've yet to tell me why you think an SK is somehow magically gifted and better able to detect who Mafia is than any other non-Mafia player.
That's highly debatable. I've been in plenty of games where an SK that was outed early was left alive as long as they promised to kill who the Town told them to.
I'm not saying I agree with this practice. But I've seen it done FAR too many times to blatantly say killing an SK trumps killing a Mafiate when both are outed.
Buh?
According to what rationale? It would be unsportsmanlike to out members of your team, if you had any. But how is it unsportsmanlike for ANYONE about to be lynched to give their "final" T/S list and reasonings? (Again, I accept that Scum shouldn't do it if they aren't the last Scum.)
Awesome. You've found ONE example where ONE Mafiate expressed reservations about killing the suspected SK. But even there, you haven't included anything which indicates WHY he was reluctant.
It's a mixed bag. I will grant you that yes, IF the SK is bulletproof, then they might prefer to leave at least one Mafiate alive until the end game. But if they're NOT bulletproof, then taking out the Mafia becomes vastly more important.
And before you start crying about me arguing theory again, it takes TWO to be having this debate!
Jesus Christ!
I just got through doing an entire PbPA on Meg. I just got through appealing to Audi to participate, even giving him a request for something I'd like to see from him (or anyone else for that matter). I've got a TON of posts recently that have NOTHING to do with theory discussions.
Are you people simply NOT reading anything?
What the ****?
Reread commencing sorry got busy getting ready for SCG Seattle. Will read and post tonight.
Okay. Fine.
Despite having just finished rereading much of the thread, I went back into the thread AGAIN. Your first accusation of Meg comes in post #171...
In the next 100+ posts there are several places where you call for Meg's head, but the posts above are all I could find detailing YOUR case against Meg.
If you have more, please Quote it!
Bad feel Gricky: twisted my words and misrepresented me in our small war of walls.
Good feel Iso: Not playing like you have in the games I've seen you be scum. Case on you seems to consist mainly of critiquing what I consider normal Iso play (was "votemongering" the word? You always do this.) Also, gut.
Reason why Iso vs Gricky is interesting is that this butting of heads will inevitably lead to one of two outcomes:
1. My scummy read on Gricky becomes stronger, and he's nudged up to a pure scum read.
2. It becomes evident to me that it's town vs town, which means I have corrected one of my reads.
Reason I don't trust my own read on Gricky yet, is because of the walls we flung at eachother. I can't seem to get my head cool about him yet.
(And yes, I will be partially sitting on the fence and observing your showdown, but I promise I'll look into other stuff at the same time).
Tomorrow is a new day, I've heard.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Am I to understand that your case on me is as goes: Megcase/Grickydefense + meta call = Grickyscum? Because you really can't apply the Megcase until you know Meg's alignment. Unless, that is, you know Meg's scum and you are trying to set me up instead of me setting you up like in the meta call you are suddenly clinging to.
Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but you are still Vote Mongering, now for an even weaker case.
And you have just contradicted yourself. Remember earlier when I said you were doing nothing but saying "lynch please" about the meg case? Well, your response was "Liar, I am not!". With this "And?" point, which I assume is supposed to mean "So what if I am Vote Mongering?", you are admitting that you are Vote Mongering and that you calling me a liar is nothing more than an ad hom attack. You contradict yourself, Sir!
Moreover, it's also scummy too. Vote Mongering when you have worked your ass off on a case, laying out multiple reasons why a person is scummy, is perfectly fine. But as we've seen, you only have one point of analysis on Meg before you skip straight to mongering. You don't even care to elaborate when someone asks you to clarify your point, you just tell them to look harder. This is partly why Aud looks as bad as he does, because you don't reveal anything to him and suddenly he gets it and jumps aboard the Megtrain. If you really believe Meg's scum, why wouldn't you explain yourself more? I mean, tell them to do their own work sure, but also expand your viewpoint too, let people know what you are thinking and why you are so sure of yourself. Trust me, if Aud is going to mindlessly barn anyway, someone is still going to call him on it whether you explain yourself or not. I just see no townie reasons for you to not post your thoughts. Anyway, your case was not credibly enough to go vote hunting as much as you did, or even at all. That's why your mongering is terribad.
1. Obviously, it's based on feelings you get, not fact, regardless of how often you use feelings and how accurate they may or may not be.
2. Tunnelvisioning, hard. It's based on a single post, while entirely ignoring all other posts made by Meg. I should think that you would bring another post up at some point at least. And not a post of Meg's that ties back to your original case, like you calling Meg out for strawmanning when Meg dismissed your case. Stacking blocks on one shaky foundation doesn't stop it from falling.
I would like to remind you that permanently playing a "gut read" game in every game is a good way to simplify your scum games. So the fact that you pinned void as scum in another game doesn't mean you have free reign to get away with it in every game. At least, in that game, you kept following up with Void's responses, giving other reasons that were scummy and legit. If you expect to catch scum based on the gut from one post in every game you play, you are seriously delusional. I happen to think that you are just smart and choose the easiest way to play the same style of game as scum and town, just going with gut. It's what you did in Trisk, as scum. It's what you did in Homestuck as town. It's what you are doing here. The defense of "I did this as town once and totally succeeded" doesn't work.
Vote Mongering is bad for reasons already explained above.
Alright, would you care to define the phrases "one thing" and "something else". You are calling it a strawman, but I'm not seeing it, so if you are right, you should be able to tell me what the argument actually is and what Meg is strawmanning it to be. Also, I'm not arguing that it's a strawman, I'm saying the strawman is justifiable.
Then why didn't you say that? Seriously, when you have analysis like this, say it instead of a bunch of jarbled all-caps letters that I'm supposed to assume is an intelligent response. I'm not your interpreter, although reading you would be much easier if I were apparently.
Ok, I said it in my precursor to my response, and I'll say it again, my defense here isn't so much about any reads I have on Meg, it's about not liking the case and the momentum it gained. I saw what it was based on, saw that Aud had a terrible barn vote, which got me paying attention, saw that Kpaca, Seppel and AI, Sep's buddy, had hopped on the wagon, something sketchy, and then saw that your reasoning was incredibly shallow. It was a pretty strong wagon lead by a singular, malnourished donkey. So, I've been attacking the wagoner's and their motives for being on the wagon. So far, I don't like what I see.
Really? Already explained.
I haven't seen any other points that aren't tied to the gut call you made in the first place. Why don't you quote them and bring the other points to our attention if what you are saying is true. Cause I posted every post of yours that had something Meg related in it.
Are you joking here? First, I've argued countless times how my alignment doesn't affect the legitimacy of the arguments I make, just how I use them. I know I'm referencing a scum game where I made these points, but it's because I argued there (postgame) and here that the argument was a valid one. Gut is inherently scummy. Instead of focusing on the general meta argument like you are doing, why don't you go into detail? That fact that you are doing nothing but screaming "META!" as your defense doesn't do anything for you, you need to explain how the use of the argument is actually scummy. I see nothing wrong with it, other than I was using that line of logic to trap you on D3 after you successfully pushed through the scum-void lynch.
Moreover, you attack me for not attacking the other wagoners? But I have. I've written several walls-o-text on how Aud is scummy and pointed out the the other members of the wagon were claimed neutral, something I don't wish to waste time on at the moment. I've even pointed out that Seppel could be lying, as per my recruitment theory, and that his and AI's activity on the wagon is lamentable as well. I have attacked other people sir. I made generally the same arguments when Aud brought this up too, and called it scummy for him as well. Now you are added to that list.
Talk to me about this when you can point me to why, SUFFICIENTLY, you think Megiddo is scum. Because in all this banter, the only person who's tried to explain your vote reasoning is me. You haven't bothered, I'm still just assuming that I got your reasoning right.
Oh really? Nice strawman of my whole issue with you.
Want my reasoning? Here it is. You're read is wrong because 1. It strawman's all of Meg's other posts, because you only refer to one and have completely ignore the others, save for one post Meg makes in defense where your arguments are tied back to the same original post. 2. Your use of Vote Mongering is not substantiated and does not match the level of effort you have actually put into the case. 3. You continually use the word "case" and seem to try and make your analysis seem broader than it is, all while never explaining the other points you claim to have and being overly obtuse about your reasoning in the first place. 4. Your tie into me from the Meg case dilutes the reasoning even further, and subsequent ties based off of me onto other players are extremely diluted by extension. You're reasoning for me being scum is "Defended Meg, who I think is scum" so it's supposedly guilt by association to a player that we don't know the alignment of, and then your Tordeck and Archaic attacks based off of me is "agreed with Gricky, who defended Meg, who I think is scum". Did you ever see the episode of Futurama "My Three Sons" where fry drinks a planet's emperor and has to recite a very lengthy diatribe of all the former kings drinking each other? Your reasoning is beginning to look like that Diatribe.
Now you are right, it is exactly the same argument, and I haven't denied that. What I have denied is that it makes me scum in any way. The argument doesn't suddenly become wrong and unusable because I flipped scum. Scum can have logic too, you know, and the argument held it's ground. On top of that, you keep forgetting that this isn't my only argument here, I gave a pretty good list of a few of the arguments above. If I were solely relying on the gut argument from Homestuck, I would put more stock into this point of yours, but the fact is there are other damning things about your play.
Stop here.
Now, I'm seeing a running theme in your big post so far, and that's that you are relying on this meta argument to really get you out of here and completely void everything I say. You are really putting a lot of stock into the Meta argument, like it's your last hope and prayer, one of the things that makes me think you are flailing. Also, your caps preference here is unlike anything I've seen from you before. I've seen you joke in caps, but I've never seen you seriously use caps in a back and forth debate. Not that you haven't, just saying I've never seen it from you and it feels flaily.
The argument wasn't scummy, the way I used it was. This meta argument does nothing to affect the legitimacy of the argument and doesn't make me scum for using it.
Where have you substantiated your read further than gut? Also, how does my analysis that "Gut is scummy" from the last game not hold any water? It's an easy in and out of a wagon and allows scum to put the cruise control on a game, and also allows them to Vote Monger. If everyone ran around using gut as their reasoning, mafia would be a crapshoot rather than the calculating procedure we have now.
For a newer player in a speciality, I can see that he's doing his best to try and keep up, posting a few multi-responses to the town, which I know is something scum are capable of, but for a newer player it's a sign of towniness. He's not getting flustered over pressure of your crap case, something which a newer player might easily get flustered by esp. in a specialty. Also, your crap case you are trying to push makes me think he's town too.
Behavioral and motive analysis? Ok, sure. Remember Trisk? You were the first person to really get things started by calling out Vitek from that gambit. You have a history of being cavalier about your scum play, so as far as behavior goes, its believable to think you would try and start a wagon out of thin air and push hard for it as scum. Conviction sells and I think you know this. Motive analysis? All you needed was a slip, the fact that you are scum and want to win by subverting the town is enough motive. You saw your in on a questionable post by Meg and made your move. Your experience tells you to stick with your guns, once again conviction sells. You get a bit of support for your efforts and it's done deal, you are the scumhero D1 for getting the first mislynch of the game. I think your motives are just that you get a kick out of hiding in plane sight and you thought you had the opportunity to do so.
What? Read my quote there again bro, cause I think you are misreading it based on your bolds. You have bolded "Gut is mostly a scumtool" and "my Gut analysis", but "my Gut analysis" is referring to my analysis of why Gut is scummy, not analysis that's based on my gut.
Also, there's more caps words. Flail evidence. Flevidence.
How do you get people lynched? By declaring your case and letting people see for themselves. If they think there's something there, they'll join you. You can post things like "still think player x is scum", but whoring your vote around to specific people and asking "why don't you vote player x?" is something only reserved when you've actually caught scum and are looking to get some reactions to catch future scum, like when you cop a scum but haven't revealed it to the town, you want to ask players to see what their reaction would be. Since there's a 99.9% chance that didn't happen in a no N0 game, then I have a problem with your Mongering.
Also, no you haven't illustrated your case on Meg. You haven't even verified that my interpretation of your gut read was correct.
Um, flustered much? I am arguing in the quote that you must be skimming my posts. You are arguing in your response that you always skim those that you think are town or will get to later. But you think I'm scum and you're on me now.
Yes, I have, you just really seem to like saying "No you haven't" and trying to make it a proper defense. I've thoroughly explained why your case and your actions surrounding it are scummy. I've also explained why Meg is town. You may not like the answers, but that doesn't mean I didn't give them.
Granted he's not posting much, but incredibly good lynch candidate is a stretch. I believe he would be worth more pressure, but I'm not comfortable labling him a lynch just yet, there are better options to explore if I had to choose a lynch right now. Also, stop calling things a case when it's a single point in one of your posts. That's not a case. Finally, what do you mean pretending to tunnel me? Isn't tunneling a bad thing, so if I'm not tunneling, then I'm doing good right? I don't get this at all.
1. Covered several times, you are trying to paint this meta argument as White and Black, but there is a grey area that you just refuse to see, because it's your only real defense against any of the points I make. You must really be hoping this completely discredits me, because you repeat it more than anything.
2. You are forcing the issue. The fact that I disagree with this case and the fact that I think Meg is town are two totally independent thought processes. You are clearly tunneling with "He disagrees with my scumread! He must be scum too then!".
3. I don't think I'm lying. Hell, your list actually makes me a better candidate for you trying to get rid of me than my own argument did. I'm a dissenter and a veteran, and since there aren't any PR's revealed so far, you could easily throw that consideration out the window, or assume that I have a power role, in which case you would get a three-for-one on your list. You very clearly have possible scummy motivations for dropping Meg and going after me on weaksauce.
4. Now you are. Took long enough after all the hate you've thrown my way. Also, DIAF? That's not very nice. It is a sign of flail though.
5. Whatever you say, chief, whatever you say...
Yeah, I caught that, you went straight from "DH must hang" to "DH you should target me with that ability!". Nothing scummy about that at all. Not the fact that you didn't question the ability after being in a game with a scum-reviver in Avatar. Not the fact that you were practically begging to be targeted.
Well then sir, correct me. I feel like I've kept up pretty well, and I'll read your posts again for clarity's sake, but why don't you give me your version of your Tordeck suspicion now, so I have something to compare to.
I loled.
Wrong. I think you are a pretty good vig target. Also, as dead scum coming back, even though people would ignore your posts for the sake of WIFOM, you can still be very very disruptive to the process. You could also coach your buddies, kinda like psuedo daytalk. You could point out who you think the PR's are, although thinking about that, you would be confirming town, so nevermind that would be a silly play as scum. Still though, there are plenty of things you could do as revived scum, I think you are looking at this too narrowly and trying to make an argument out of it.
Glad you asked actually. Seppel makes more sense because if my recruiting theory is correct and Seppel is scum, it likely makes AI scum too, netting us 2 scum for the price of 1. Aud is clearly scummy, and if the Seppel situation didn't exist, I would say shoot him. If we can take care of Seppel though, and it turns out he's scum, the situation becomes way more advantageous for the town.
You get DH's claim and don't question it at all, asking to be targeted in fact. I'm basing my attack off of the fact that you totally believe DH and also that I think you are scum who should be killed today/tonight. So, when you attack me for slipping that I know DH is town, and my 'slip' is in the sarcasm where I copy/paste your logic, you really end up calling your own logic a slip. Also the fact that you attacked me for supposedly know DH was town, and then watching him flip town, looks like a setup.
I don't think so.
Are you playing the sympathy card here? "Most of the players in this game don't have enough respect for my analysis"? WTF? Also, why didn't you go back to Meg when the DH case died? I mean, it did die, your excuse for not going Meg was the DH distraction, and since most of your reads on me and a few other players are based in the Meg case, it would make much more sense to switch back there. This is where I think the "attack dissenters" argument comes into play.
My whole issue with Aud on the Meg case and it being terrible is where I started calling your case out and shortly after is when you started not liking me. Go and recall correctly.
1. Yes.
2. I don't have to die to know you are wrong.
3. Semantics.
I minored in English with a major in communications. Tell me prof. Iso, what did I miss? I think I'm doing a lot of things right here.
Dude, that's really all it takes for it to be possible. Just one time. This isn't like the lottery, and even if it were, there are tons of people who end up with multiple jackpots in their lifetime.
Best play according to the town. It's not about stepping on toes, you are both tied for most scummy so far in the game, so I have no preference which one of you we lynch, as long as it's one of you. Oh, and I'm not looking for approval like a Mongerer, people had already started posting their suspicion of Aud on their own.
Whoa. Flail much? I've already explained how you said you didn't want to go on with Meg because the town was distracted by DH, why not go back to it after the DH died down. You didn't though, you went to me, mostly because I was the loudest on calling you out, maybe the only one, but you brought the baggage of the Meg wagon with you as evidence of my scuminess, which makes no sense. Point is, you had the opportunity to go back to Meg and didn't, even if you are still thinking mostly along the same lines, I still say you are stepping away.
I do mean Modkill and I don't think they have Daytalk. My argument depends on the fact that they don't have Daytalk, so I have to make an exception for the rare case that they DO have Daytalk, which is what I did there.
I take it this has changed, or are you just going to switch it to "You must be scum because you knew he was town!"?
I don't, but it's still a tool. It's not something that instantly makes a person scum, nor is it good enough to base a case off of, but it's a tool the town can put to solid use. I feel like all of the meta arguments I've made in this game so far have been secondary points to compliment my main arguments.
Are you even paying attention to your own posts? You did this already. I think I remember reading somewhere how this can be evidence of inattentive scum.
In that game, that was my only attack on you, in this game I've got multiple arguments to support my attack on you.
In that game, I was scum setting you up for D3, in this game I'm outright attacking you on D1.
In that game, You eventually explained the specifics of your gut read, the hows and whys. In this game, you haven't and only I've analyzed it.
Thanks for posting this though, I really hope people look at it and decide form themselves, us bickering about it does no good.
I'd like to leave this quotewall by asking you kindly to read it through. I feel like I made some good points, and I've been typing since 3:30, so I really don't want my effort to be wasted. If you read just one wallpost this year, make it this Gricky wallpost! For more reasons than one too...
Also, I apologize in advance. I've always wanted to write a novel. I think I could one day, this gives me hope.
High Five Ahlyis! IS NICE!
So miscom with the doc. today was just a long and exhausting(2 hr commute there, 7 hrs in the docs office, 2 hr commute home) exam prior to the actual procedure. That should be sometime next week we hope. So I am back. But tired. Ive read all the posts but I need to reread to really figure it all out.
The Family
This post is to remind myself to check This out tomorrow.
Megiddo is scum if I remember correctly. Be back with the reason (it's original, I promise!) tomorrow.
It could be that I'm misremembering ånd it wasn't Megiddos statement, I'll look into it as slik as I can.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
1. Megiddo flips. oppidum. saepe.
2. Non gratias.
3. Ego cogitari. censentium. tibi enim. utinam obtineret magis notitia
4. Null.
5. Null.
6. Ego daret iustus satis de tractu ad lucrum notitia, i speravit. i voluit videre qui laetabundus. in nave
Sed tamen i sum non certus. si te. oppidum
si te sunt, +Mafia. ad. GrickyTimmick, Ahlyis, et Arcadic.
I quoted this post for some reason and now I have no idea why. Something stood out. Maybe the Zajnet comment?
If anyone sees something odd here please let me know.
O Yeah, quod admonet me. Ego conveniunt *** AsianInvasion. Puto Zajnet est spumae.
I like how "yeah" directly translates.
Sure, I'm down.
Unvote, vote Zajnet.
More to come later or tomorrow, we'll see.
Unvote, Vote: Zajnet
I laughed.
Go hunting. It's probably in a quote wall. Have fun!
Thanks @ Wheat.
Where? I must have missed it among all the scum he's excreting.
@Gricky: I have to sleep before work. I'll get back to you in the a.m.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
That's fine, I'm probably not going to respond tomorrow anyway, as I've got work and an FNM right afterward. I'm also going to hang out with real life friends this weekend, and I don't know what access to a computer I'm going to have. I don't know if our wallpost war will continue after tomorrow, or should, but I will try and respond sufficiently. If it starts holding the town back, it might be more trouble than its worth. Still think you are scum though.
It could be his tunnelvision on me from our spat. It could be his resolve to hunt lurkers. It could be both.
You tell me. This is why you write stuff down, so that your short term memory loss doesn't fail you at crucial moments.
I did go hunting. I even quoted all of the pieces I found... which were exactly 2 posts covering exactly 1 topic.
You claim there is more, but any time someone asks you what more there is, you either ignore them completely, or as you just did with me, you simply claim it's there somewhere and try to make it our responsibility to find it. It's YOUR case. If you've really got something more, then it is YOUR responsibility to post it!
If the mod wants to replace me, I'd be OK with that as well since I really don't have the time right now.
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Ego aliud possibile plumbum. Ego participes tecum in in mane.
At this point I could care less if I get infracted for flaming you. If you’re going to learn my meta, than I suggest you study and learn it. I don’t avoid posting at all. My game style has changed from posting as much as can about anything to taking my time and thinking.
For you to claim you’re not upset does not compute with me. In your original post you showed lots of emotion towards my V/LA announcement that would not be considered unsportsmanlike IMO. I know because when I saw it from my phone in waiting room I was nearly ready to jump out and beat the **** out of you for it.
And I wasn’t being serious either. I was looking for reactions. Liking the tone of the response here.
Nothing to be nervous about… With exception to my wife.
Simply RVS. Nothing more, nothing less.
Seppel claimed his role that had nothing to do with alignment and Infinis jumped to the conclusion that the player Seppel is looking for must be town and confirmed. Huge leap there.
The more pressing matter IMO is why Infinis is looking to clear townied rather than find scum. Either that or Infinis knows that AsianI is town.
Getting players mixed up? I didn’t call Seppel out for fishing. Gricky did.
It’s an understanding not an apology.[/QUOTE]
Good chance that Audinho is scum this game.
Liking Iso as town.
You also know that there were a string of about 5 or 6 posts from me and Burst that led up to TheIceMan placing his vote with reasoning on me.
Basic #63 is all that needs to be said about this.
Not much of a response here. Null read for now.
That proof is just so damning of me that I’m not sure what to do now.
The FoS does not sit well with me. Proving that a player’s logic is off which is making the case BS should not be followed up with an FoS. It should have been vote. Liking Infinis, Meg and Audinho as scum thus far.
Seppel will playing as a anti-town Neutral, got it!
I agree with this fully.
Why do you like Audinho as town?
Couldn’t agree more at this point.
Oh, joy. Another round of Kpaca vs. Seppel. Let’s see who wins this time around.
I will remember this for later.
Note to self to read Goo Mafia.
Did this occurrence also happen at the beginning of Goo Mafia?
That was also a great game to read! Here’s to hoping that Ged makes another Normal.
Gut feeling here, but this post made me believe that Wessel is scum.
I like everything about this post except for the vote on Seppel. The Kpaca vs. Seppel thing can wait for now. It’s not a matter of winning or losing the game at this point with those two.
I would be more willing to believe you if you started playing the game from the start and not just being Seppel.
Not trusting Seppel at all this game.
Are you trying to claim scum? “I must do something to look like were not buddies!” The entire post is weak and the line of “It seems you have lured me into trusting you yet again, Iso!” is horribly forced.
I don’t think much of it yet. It’s not a puzzle that needs solving at the moment.
Why are you no scumhunting?
Why the need to announce your unvote from RVS?
That’s okay reasoning I suppose. Still not liking the original post, but there are more important people to look at.
Look above and you shall find out. Liking the tone of your response here. Leaning town read for now.
Fluffly is town this game.
It is the reason why no one should ever view you as town.
:rofl::ria:
What posts helped you get your read on Audinho?
The thanking posts is nothing to worry about. I merely did it for those who wished my wife well. She needs it at this point…
Your vote is opportunistic. Did you read the thread and think “Vote for the person who is most likely scum based on posts and not analysis”? Because that is what I am getting from your vote.
What makes you believe that Kpaca is telling the truth?
What has made you believe that Seppel is withholding information?
Yoda
Would you please back your meta up with proof?
Seppel nailed it here. Dragon is scum and tordeck is a good buddy of his. I’m still liking Audinho, Meggido and Infinis (Infinis to much much lesser extent at this point) as scum.
Well, would you imagine that? Audinho disagrees with the Dragon lynch.
I wish you and your daughter the best of luck!
Very interesting claim. Not a very strong ability, but one that would be useful. I believe your claim.
Is there a bug eyed emotion icon? Because this post deserves it. Dragon, go read Basic #59 Modern Family. Look at Day 3 and see what I did as town there. You’re not looking much better at this point.
I may have believed your claim when you posted it, but your behavior is to contradictory for me.
He absolutely did.
Did you miss the part where Gricky showed us that Dragon is town? And that Gricky is scum?
I don’t believe I have seen this side of Kpaca despite all the games I have read with him in it. I do like it though. More so since it is Dragon behind the Policy Lynch.
Yeah, I saw this one coming after the “Stuff it” comment Dragon made towards Charm.. Some players just don’t learn…
Not fully caught up yet. Only about 40 posts to go or so.
Vote: GrickyTimmick I'm also looking at Megiddo, Audinho and Infinis. (Infinis to a much lesser extent than the others)
Additionally, you started off saying that you were leaning town on GrickyTimmick, so I'd like to know how he became vote-worthy after one comment from Iso that doesn't actually prove anything.
Lastly, why did you make a point to declare multiple times that your suspicions of Infinis are less prominent than those of your other suspects?
@meta proof - its based of number of posts and and how many games ive been /in, /spectate or /mod recently with Iso. His posting style here is more in line with his scum games than his town ones. (claims RL but who knows and only mentioned RL after I voted him for it)
@ DH/GT - huh? I called DH town from the very beginning and I have not yet seen anything that points to GT being scum, but the only game of his I know is ongoing so I have no meta to work with
(mind I only use meta i have personally seen, if I am not in or spectate on a game I dont use it for meta as I am too lazy to read all those old games)
good post though, - you go in the leaning town pile while proph goes to the leaning scum pile
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