Now that DRey's flipped town, we should probably look more seriously into these reads.
Time to do some rereading!
Sadly, DRey being town doesn't make his reads any better; after all, his unjustifiable stances were one of the primary reasons he got lynched in the first place.
I didn't say that you were in Goo Mafia. I was saying that Kpaca was in Goo Mafia and did a similar move that caught scum. However, I see why you read it that way.
For at least the second time, kpaca and StormBlind were both neutrals in that game. Stop misrepresenting the facts.
Does this guy ever "catch up"? He's been promising content for weeks now; I haven't seen any content from him. In fact, if you go further down the rabbit hole, you'll find more "promises content but doesn't deliver" posts. This is just his most recent four.
He's just lurking his way through the game, and has posted no content the whole time. I'm down for his lynch.
No-one's interested in lynching the CC-er of the dead town? The CC-er that was so convienently RB'd? The cc-er that claimed a typical scum role, that is even more scummy now that Drey flipped town? The CC-er that was oh so scummy yesterday with his pushes?
...this is what I get for being hasty in trying to stick to exact deadlines I set for myself.
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No-one's interested in lynching the CC-er of the dead town? The CC-er that was so convienently RB'd? The cc-er that claimed a typical scum role, that is even more scummy now that Drey flipped town? The CC-er that was oh so scummy yesterday with his pushes?
Umm...I think I need to reread this game. I feel like I don't remember anything about a significant portion of the game, and that just doesn't feel right.
I do know that I want to hold off on Void for the foreseeable future, though, and I'm thinking on Arcadic for the Day.
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Now that DRey's flipped town, we should probably look more seriously into these reads.
Time to do some rereading!
BTW, DRey's top three reads are prolly town or not worth looking into at the moment. Seppel's a claimed neutral that's not an SK, as per void's question. Could be lying, but I figure the vig can take care of that, i'd rather not lynch Seppel and have him flop neutral, that would just about win the game for the scum at this point.
Cyouni is town. That's pretty much all there is to say about that.
Meg is likely town. The attacks against meg have been unsubstantial at best, nonexistent at worst. Seriously, someone voted meg for active lurking. At this point, while yes that is scummy to an extent, we have much much better options. Also, considering Meg's experience level (Fairly new IIRC) and activity elsewhere on the site, I'd say that the active lurking is justified as town. To top it all off, Iso is Meg's biggest detractor right now, and he looks like pure-bread scum.
The reasons are there from yesterDay and now Megiddo has provided more evidence against him without even knowing what he had done. (Good job, Iso!)
I was planning on calling you out for being scum based off of this post, but it turns out you died and were actually town. What a shame. I'm guessing that was a vigshot that killed you.
For quoting a post without reading it first, which lists him as number one suspect for scum. This, plus his behavior day one, is too much for me to ignrore.
Scum.
Also, paraphrase his behavior from day 1. What do you mean there? Also, you really can't find any better evidence or suspects today? I mean, you are obviously carrying things over from D1, like you do with meg, so how is Iso not that much more scummy to you?
Does this guy ever "catch up"? He's been promising content for weeks now; I haven't seen any content from him. In fact, if you go further down the rabbit hole, you'll find more "promises content but doesn't deliver" posts. This is just his most recent four.
Sometimes that happens, and I'm willing to keep an eye on the guy, but seriously, that's the biggest thing going on for you?
2) Full claimed in his first post, but then Iso claims to have information that Seppel did not provide in his claim.
3) Kpaca provided his claim to help prove that Seppel is scum based on past experiences in Goo Mafia.
Please explain why you are inclinded to believe Seppel this game.
I was going to say that what Kpaca said about Goo doesn't apply whatsoever. Still, now that you have flipped town, I'm looking a bit closer at Seppel. Still wary of his lynch because of claimed neutral, but if he's scum, that's exactly why he would claim neutral. Claiming neutral is kinda like spraying your body down with anti-vote spray with a WIFOM aroma.
Maybe we lynch AI and base our thoughts on Seppel off of that lynch. Thinking.
Wait a second here. AsianI slipped! Seppel has claimed Neutral along with Kpaca, but yet AsianI is saying Seppel is not a Neutral!!!
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean or are seeing and since you are dead I might not find what you meant, but I think you are on to something here possibly. The town might be too complacent with Seppel/AI at the moment. You are really the only one challenging it and I don't want to take that for granted.
No-one's interested in lynching the CC-er of the dead town? The CC-er that was so convienently RB'd? The cc-er that claimed a typical scum role, that is even more scummy now that Drey flipped town? The CC-er that was oh so scummy yesterday with his pushes?
...this is what I get for being hasty in trying to stick to exact deadlines I set for myself.
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Wow. So, I think it's time to see who all has early-voted void today. There's probably a scum among them.
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Also, paraphrase his behavior from day 1. What do you mean there? Also, you really can't find any better evidence or suspects today? I mean, you are obviously carrying things over from D1, like you do with meg, so how is Iso not that much more scummy to you?
Sometimes that happens, and I'm willing to keep an eye on the guy, but seriously, that's the biggest thing going on for you?
I posted this before realizing Iso was roleblocked. I didn't really "become aware" of that information until Arcadic put his post out there.
And why shouldn't I carry things over from Day 1? His entire Day 1 was hopping in. Make some comments on wagons that were going on. Promising more content. Then hopping out. He would hop back in again, but there would be no content there. Is he more scummy than Iso? After reading Arcadic's post and then looking back at Iso's post after Day 1, no he isn't. It was a gut call against a player that I'm having issues reconciling as town.
Sadly, DRey being town doesn't make his reads any better; after all, his unjustifiable stances were one of the primary reasons he got lynched in the first place.
"(Good job, Iso!)" You'll note how quickly Iso distances from this comment. Oh man, you guys are trying way too hard.
Speaking of which, when was the last time Iso claimed to be roleblocked? Ozone Underground? Hmm...
Cool. I wonder why your posts are getting deleted. /OoG
For at least the second time, kpaca and StormBlind were both neutrals in that game. Stop misrepresenting the facts.
So, Void voters pre-voiddeath. Funny how it's Seppel and AI. Cyouni's there too, but he's solidly town, I just think Void was starting to townflail a little too much and Cy got caught up in it.
So yeah, I changed my mind. Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion
Pushed several wagons yesterday, many of them being town, plus has the whole Seppel claim going against him. What's been puzzling me this whole time is why would a neutral (Seppel) be role-paired with a claimed townie (AI)? Doesn't make sense to me.
If Seppel is telling partial truth, AI's death would result in Seppel's death or removal right? If so, and if AI is scum, that would drastically swing things for the town.
Iso's still scum though. He can be vigged or lynched tomorrow, there will be time.
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I posted this before realizing Iso was roleblocked. I didn't really "become aware" of that information until Arcadic put his post out there.
And why shouldn't I carry things over from Day 1? His entire Day 1 was hopping in. Make some comments on wagons that were going on. Promising more content. Then hopping out. He would hop back in again, but there would be no content there. Is he more scummy than Iso? After reading Arcadic's post and then looking back at Iso's post after Day 1, no he isn't. It was a gut call against a player that I'm having issues reconciling as town.
Your tone here makes me feel better.
I'm not arguing that you shouldn't carry things over from D1. I'm saying that you carry things over for Meg's case, but for Iso, you basically ignore him CCing a townie with a common scum role on D1. Regardless of whether you missed the RB claim, you still ignore this vastly important D1 info regarding Iso, something far worse than Meg's D1 play. What I'm seeing is you setting a double standard, but maybe you just got caught up in the early D2 hubbub methinks.
Still, I would like you to explain what behavior Meg has displayed in a summary. I don't want quotes, I want your words.
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Sadly, DRey being town doesn't make his reads any better; after all, his unjustifiable stances were one of the primary reasons he got lynched in the first place.
"(Good job, Iso!)" You'll note how quickly Iso distances from this comment. Oh man, you guys are trying way too hard.
Speaking of which, when was the last time Iso claimed to be roleblocked? Ozone Underground? Hmm...
Cool. I wonder why your posts are getting deleted. /OoG
For at least the second time, kpaca and StormBlind were both neutrals in that game. Stop misrepresenting the facts.
@Seppel: Now that there are five dead townies (+1 neutral), I am beginning to doubt whether your 'allegiance' to the town is as strong as before. Do you have any good reason why we should keep you around?
I was going to say that what Kpaca said about Goo doesn't apply whatsoever. Still, now that you have flipped town, I'm looking a bit closer at Seppel. Still wary of his lynch because of claimed neutral, but if he's scum, that's exactly why he would claim neutral. Claiming neutral is kinda like spraying your body down with anti-vote spray with a WIFOM aroma.
Maybe we lynch AI and base our thoughts on Seppel off of that lynch. Thinking.
Remember, just because he was town doesn't make him right.
Still, I would like you to explain what behavior Meg has displayed in a summary. I don't want quotes, I want your words.
Active Lurking.
Hand-waving of cases against him or just outright ignoring them.
Only posting in a reprieve when Town was looking elsewhere.
Promising content and never delivering it.
Trying to be "happy go lucky" and ignore his case when there were a lot of things he ought to have responded to.
But, then again, Iso was the first one to call him out. And Iso never substantiated a case besides "he was scum" and piling on "evidence" everytime Meg was able to post. If Iso is indeed scum, I guess that sort of makes the points I'm making against Meg irrelevant.
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Secondly before you ask that was the only vig shot I had.
Thirdly someone motivated me last night, though I have a sneaking suspicion given the flavor I might die soon from the motivation. So yeah.
Forthly given there was no nightkill I think there is a good chance that kpaca was killed by a mafia toughguy. Rereading kpaca and where he was looking before he died I believe there is a good chance Iso is scum as Iso was really his only target before his death (He also discussed Tordeck replacing out because of non-game impacting reasons, but I find that a stretch).
Iso's still scum though. He can be vigged or lynched tomorrow, there will be time.
I would love to lynch AI. He hasn't come across town to me at all this game. But the case on iso is so condemning. The last part of your statement can be applied to AI too right? So we deal with iso today.
Hand-waving of cases against him or just outright ignoring them.
Only posting in a reprieve when Town was looking elsewhere.
Promising content and never delivering it.
Trying to be "happy go lucky" and ignore his case when there were a lot of things he ought to have responded to.
But, then again, Iso was the first one to call him out. And Iso never substantiated a case besides "he was scum" and piling on "evidence" everytime Meg was able to post. If Iso is indeed scum, I guess that sort of makes the points I'm making against Meg irrelevant.
Well explained, although I disagree. There's a townie mindset in this post. Town.
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I would love to lynch AI. He hasn't come across town to me at all this game. But the case on iso is so condemning. The last part of your statement can be applied to AI too right? So we deal with iso today.
Yes, this works too, but with AI and Seppel being tied to each other, there's a possibility that we get a 2 for 1 with an AI lynch. And then, if we still have any kills left from a JoaT or something (since Guardman claimed 1-shot Vig), they kill Iso and we get 3 scum gone in one D/N cycle.
I mean, if that's the way it works, then killing AI at night is still almost the same. But with our Vig claiming no shots left, I'd prefer to rid ourselves of possibly 2 scum now. The more dead scum in the day, the better.
Either way, my vote is landing on Iso or AI today.
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The speed of these wagons and how they keep varying despite their intensity is putting me on edge. I need to take a look at them in closer detail after dinner tonight.
I think Iso is scum too, but I thought the same of Void and DRey. I think there's some heavy manipulation going on. In-depth analysis coming tonight.
Yes, this works too, but with AI and Seppel being tied to each other, there's a possibility that we get a 2 for 1 with an AI lynch. And then, if we still have any kills left from a JoaT or something (since Guardman claimed 1-shot Vig), they kill Iso and we get 3 scum gone in one D/N cycle.
I mean, if that's the way it works, then killing AI at night is still almost the same. But with our Vig claiming no shots left, I'd prefer to rid ourselves of possibly 2 scum now. The more dead scum in the day, the better.
Either way, my vote is landing on Iso or AI today.
I'm leaning Seppel neutral. He hasn't been very active as late. I don't think they would tie themselves together like this as scum. I can see AI as scum latching on to this. Claiming something good for the town?
@AI. Where are you with this?
@Seppel. Whats your take on AI. Anything helpful for the town in your targeting of AI?
I'll be fine with either Meg or Iso lynch. I think Iso came for the worse in his battle with Gricky and Arcadic makes a strong point. Vote: Iso Meg is more gut then anything else.
I was giving Audio a language pass but yesterday negates any pass. So I'll be okay with his lynch, but only after Iso and Meg.
@Seppel Why haven't you exited stage left even? I believe Grim Batol had same thing and that person disappeared after achieving AWC? Do you mind if we lynch you then to test your AWC?
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
My vote is on Cyuoni because he has been on all three major wagons (DH, DRey and Void), and....
...and the vote for Void at this stage really is a nulltell when I think about it, since he had done it before. I see that my vote is pretty unjustified at this stage.
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But why Iso? IIRC he was not an instigator on any of the major wagons previously mentioned, and that doesn't smell of Iso-scum. The roleblock-scenario seems trustworthy to me as he was the only outed powerrole and thus seems like scums obvious RB-target.
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@Seppel Why haven't you exited stage left even? I believe Grim Batol had same thing and that person disappeared after achieving AWC? Do you mind if we lynch you then to test your AWC?
But why Iso? IIRC he was not an instigator on any of the major wagons previously mentioned, and that doesn't smell of Iso-scum. The roleblock-scenario seems trustworthy to me as he was the only outed powerrole and thus seems like scums obvious RB-target.
My vote is on Cyuoni because he has been on all three major wagons (DH, DRey and Void), and....
...and the vote for Void at this stage really is a nulltell when I think about it, since he had done it before. I see that my vote is pretty unjustified at this stage.
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But why Iso? IIRC he was not an instigator on any of the major wagons previously mentioned, and that doesn't smell of Iso-scum. The roleblock-scenario seems trustworthy to me as he was the only outed powerrole and thus seems like scums obvious RB-target.
This post reeks of backpedal and weaksauce.
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Pushed several wagons yesterday, many of them being town, plus has the whole Seppel claim going against him. What's been puzzling me this whole time is why would a neutral (Seppel) be role-paired with a claimed townie (AI)? Doesn't make sense to me.
"Pushing town wagons" in and of itself is not indicative of scum. Especially Day One, the simple act of scum-hunting will result in pushing town wagons. It's certainly not my fault that DRey and Void played poorly.
If Seppel is telling partial truth, AI's death would result in Seppel's death or removal right? If so, and if AI is scum, that would drastically swing things for the town.
Not any more; that would only have happened prior to one of us targeting the other.
The speed of these wagons and how they keep varying despite their intensity is putting me on edge. I need to take a look at them in closer detail after dinner tonight.
I think Iso is scum too, but I thought the same of Void and DRey. I think there's some heavy manipulation going on. In-depth analysis coming tonight.
But why Iso? IIRC he was not an instigator on any of the major wagons previously mentioned, and that doesn't smell of Iso-scum. The roleblock-scenario seems trustworthy to me as he was the only outed powerrole and thus seems like scums obvious RB-target.
Read the last Day of Ozone Underground before you arbitrarily decide that Iso claiming to be RB'd makes him trustworthy.
I'm leaning Seppel neutral. He hasn't been very active as late. I don't think they would tie themselves together like this as scum. I can see AI as scum latching on to this. Claiming something good for the town?
@AI. Where are you with this?
@Seppel. Whats your take on AI. Anything helpful for the town in your targeting of AI?
I don't think that what you argue lends credit to Seppel actually being Neutral. His neutral claim is perfect if they are scumbuddies. Not only does it make the town leary of voting Seppel, but it's a grand excuse to lurk. He pops in now and then with accurate reads and pushes a case against a player that was lurking at the time. Once Void started flailing and not answering the case, Seppel just tried desperately to hammer the case home.
Basically, I understand that Seppel could be neutral, but if it's a scum gambit, falseclaiming neutral is just about the only way to pull it off. It's really a dead sprint between the two options, which is why lynching AI is the better option to reason whether Seppel is neutral or scum.
In hindsight, a better question for Void would have been "Is there at least one neutral still alive in the game?". That may or may not have solved the Seppel problem.
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"Pushing town wagons" in and of itself is not indicative of scum. Especially Day One, the simple act of scum-hunting will result in pushing town wagons. It's certainly not my fault that DRey and Void played poorly.
It's not just that you pushed their wagons, it's the way you pushed their wagons. You were on the fringe of both wagons, arguing "If not one, then the other" and generally riding the wagon. Yeah, DRey and Void could have been better (DRey moreso than Void), but you riding the wafflesauce on the both of them was telling. I need to doublecheck, cause I think you were on another burgeoning town-wagon early on in the game. DH maybe?
I'll game the mod on this one. I'm taking it with a grain of salt that it's not unheard of that a neutral and a townie be paired together, but I'm still leery. I don't see why I shouldn't game the mod, within reason of course.
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On Tordeck: Post count is an inefficient way of meta analysis. People can die Day 1, Day 3, go to endgame. I thought it was a silly reason to attack Iso. On the case, I admit I had a gut read on Tordeck and I'm procrastizing the case.
On Megiddo: This one I'm more sure of. Megiddo, as town, posts a ton. You can observe this on the games he played as Rick Santorum.
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1. Durdle until I figure out what's happening
2. Post infinite
Since I have a good lead on oculus, we skipped step one entirely this game.
I'm not buying the "I'm trying a new playing style" stuff.
1. Because there was no reason not to.
2. I only had one vig shot.
3. Get rid of confusion about Void's death.
4. I might die from motivation.
1. Vomiting information into the thread is bad in general.
2. Now the scum know to leave you alone and hunt PRs elsewhere.
3. It was very obviously a vig shot; no scum in their right mind would take out Void.
4. You should have claimed just that bit.
Lethal motivator sounds like a really risky town role, but the usage of this ability last Night seems poorly planned.
It's not just that you pushed their wagons, it's the way you pushed their wagons. You were on the fringe of both wagons, arguing "If not one, then the other" and generally riding the wagon. Yeah, DRey and Void could have been better (DRey moreso than Void), but you riding the wafflesauce on the both of them was telling. I need to doublecheck, cause I think you were on another burgeoning town-wagon early on in the game. DH maybe?
DRey stuck out his neck to defend Void, literally offering to be the lynch. Excuse me for thinking that they were both scum.
I'll game the mod on this one. I'm taking it with a grain of salt that it's not unheard of that a neutral and a townie be paired together, but I'm still leery. I don't see why I shouldn't game the mod, within reason of course.
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Forthly given there was no nightkill I think there is a good chance that kpaca was killed by a mafia toughguy. Rereading kpaca and where he was looking before he died I believe there is a good chance Iso is scum as Iso was really his only target before his death (He also discussed Tordeck replacing out because of non-game impacting reasons, but I find that a stretch).
I have a different possibility in mind.
I recall a game (maybe more than one) where the mafia was able to sacrifice their nightkill for a daykill. I suspect kpaca's was more likely from town, given the motivations. Scum wouldn't be nearly as worried about that.
As for whether or not Void is on to something with AI/Seppel, only time will tell.
I find it relatively unlikely they're attempting to pull the mason trick - it's too blatantly obvious right now. It'd be a bad idea to draw attention via Seppel being "neutral", since he'd be lynched in an emergency, instantly taking out two scum.
The speed of these wagons and how they keep varying despite their intensity is putting me on edge. I need to take a look at them in closer detail after dinner tonight.
I think Iso is scum too, but I thought the same of Void and DRey. I think there's some heavy manipulation going on. In-depth analysis coming tonight.
Basically, I understand that Seppel could be neutral, but if it's a scum gambit, falseclaiming neutral is just about the only way to pull it off. It's really a dead sprint between the two options, which is why lynching AI is the better option to reason whether Seppel is neutral or scum.
To note, the last successful time I heard of that gambit being run was in Harry Potter Mafia quite a while back, to great success. The way they ran it was by claiming a mason pair.
In hindsight, a better question for Void would have been "Is there at least one neutral still alive in the game?". That may or may not have solved the Seppel problem.
On Tordeck: Post count is an inefficient way of meta analysis. People can die Day 1, Day 3, go to endgame. I thought it was a silly reason to attack Iso. On the case, I admit I had a gut read on Tordeck and I'm procrastizing the case.
On Megiddo: This one I'm more sure of. Megiddo, as town, posts a ton. You can observe this on the games he played as Rick Santorum.
Also:
I'm not buying the "I'm trying a new playing style" stuff.
Vote Megiddo
You voted for Iso before. Why?
Also, why do you have everything but reasons why people are scum? Tordeck's got a "silly reason", which isn't actually scummy. Megiddo's a complete meta read, which obviously doesn't take into account RL circumstances. In other words, you're not actually giving reasons why people you're voting are scum.
I recall a game (maybe more than one) where the mafia was able to sacrifice their nightkill for a daykill. I suspect kpaca's was more likely from town, given the motivations. Scum wouldn't be nearly as worried about that.
I just have a hard time believing that kpaca's death was from a town, especially because he was erased from the game and didn't technically die. In fact the mod initially denied that kpaca was ever in the game and it was only with rampant speculation about him disappearing for being suspended that the mod said he had died. Erasure roles on almost exclusively on non-town entities. Given this and the fact kpaca was scumhunting (and is a scary scumhunter) plus the fact we had no death last night other than Void who I killed leads me to believe that kpaca's death was a scum toughguy kill meant to take pressure off of Iso, which it did.
No-one's interested in lynching the CC-er of the dead town? The CC-er that was so convienently RB'd? The cc-er that claimed a typical scum role, that is even more scummy now that Drey flipped town? The CC-er that was oh so scummy yesterday with his pushes?
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WEREN'T YOU JUST COMMENTING ABOUT NEUTRAL-HUNTING?[/B]
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Sadly, DRey being town doesn't make his reads any better; after all, his unjustifiable stances were one of the primary reasons he got lynched in the first place.
"(Good job, Iso!)" You'll note how quickly Iso distances from this comment. Oh man, you guys are trying way too hard.
Speaking of which, when was the last time Iso claimed to be roleblocked? Ozone Underground? Hmm...
Cool. I wonder why your posts are getting deleted. /OoG
For at least the second time, kpaca and StormBlind were both neutrals in that game. Stop misrepresenting the facts.
Vote Void
Wait a second here. AsianI slipped! Seppel has claimed Neutral along with Kpaca, but yet AsianI is saying Seppel is not a Neutral!!!
Unvote: Seppel
Vote: AsianI
Inside information for the win!
He's just lurking his way through the game, and has posted no content the whole time. I'm down for his lynch.
But then there's Void, too, with sentences like this.
I could vote either one, but I think the not-so-active lurking of Meg wins out for now.
Vote: Megiddo
Where does he say Seppel is not a neutral? Also your last two posts were OMGUS.
But I have a question of my own for AI (and Seppel too): didn't one of you say that AI would leave the game once Seppel targeted him?
lol man die plz
IIRC, Seppel claimed that he would leave the game if I died before he targeted me. I don't believe either of us claimed what you suggest here.
Vote Void
Vote Iso.
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Void has died as a result of a night action I somehow missed in my compilation of actions. He was Beatrice - Townie Truthsayer
Vote count has been reset. with 18 alive, it's still 10 to lynch. I apologize for not double-checking my work, and hopefully this won't be a recurring thing.
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Vote Iso
FOS Pro.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Thanks
Haha. Vote Iso. You are playing too shifty and manipulative of a game to be town.
BTW, DRey's top three reads are prolly town or not worth looking into at the moment. Seppel's a claimed neutral that's not an SK, as per void's question. Could be lying, but I figure the vig can take care of that, i'd rather not lynch Seppel and have him flop neutral, that would just about win the game for the scum at this point.
Cyouni is town. That's pretty much all there is to say about that.
Meg is likely town. The attacks against meg have been unsubstantial at best, nonexistent at worst. Seriously, someone voted meg for active lurking. At this point, while yes that is scummy to an extent, we have much much better options. Also, considering Meg's experience level (Fairly new IIRC) and activity elsewhere on the site, I'd say that the active lurking is justified as town. To top it all off, Iso is Meg's biggest detractor right now, and he looks like pure-bread scum.
I was planning on calling you out for being scum based off of this post, but it turns out you died and were actually town. What a shame. I'm guessing that was a vigshot that killed you.
Scum
Scum.
Also, paraphrase his behavior from day 1. What do you mean there? Also, you really can't find any better evidence or suspects today? I mean, you are obviously carrying things over from D1, like you do with meg, so how is Iso not that much more scummy to you?
Sometimes that happens, and I'm willing to keep an eye on the guy, but seriously, that's the biggest thing going on for you?
I was going to say that what Kpaca said about Goo doesn't apply whatsoever. Still, now that you have flipped town, I'm looking a bit closer at Seppel. Still wary of his lynch because of claimed neutral, but if he's scum, that's exactly why he would claim neutral. Claiming neutral is kinda like spraying your body down with anti-vote spray with a WIFOM aroma.
Maybe we lynch AI and base our thoughts on Seppel off of that lynch. Thinking.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean or are seeing and since you are dead I might not find what you meant, but I think you are on to something here possibly. The town might be too complacent with Seppel/AI at the moment. You are really the only one challenging it and I don't want to take that for granted.
This are really good point.
Wow. So, I think it's time to see who all has early-voted void today. There's probably a scum among them.
I posted this before realizing Iso was roleblocked. I didn't really "become aware" of that information until Arcadic put his post out there.
And why shouldn't I carry things over from Day 1? His entire Day 1 was hopping in. Make some comments on wagons that were going on. Promising more content. Then hopping out. He would hop back in again, but there would be no content there. Is he more scummy than Iso? After reading Arcadic's post and then looking back at Iso's post after Day 1, no he isn't. It was a gut call against a player that I'm having issues reconciling as town.
So, Void voters pre-voiddeath. Funny how it's Seppel and AI. Cyouni's there too, but he's solidly town, I just think Void was starting to townflail a little too much and Cy got caught up in it.
So yeah, I changed my mind. Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion
Pushed several wagons yesterday, many of them being town, plus has the whole Seppel claim going against him. What's been puzzling me this whole time is why would a neutral (Seppel) be role-paired with a claimed townie (AI)? Doesn't make sense to me.
If Seppel is telling partial truth, AI's death would result in Seppel's death or removal right? If so, and if AI is scum, that would drastically swing things for the town.
Iso's still scum though. He can be vigged or lynched tomorrow, there will be time.
Your tone here makes me feel better.
I'm not arguing that you shouldn't carry things over from D1. I'm saying that you carry things over for Meg's case, but for Iso, you basically ignore him CCing a townie with a common scum role on D1. Regardless of whether you missed the RB claim, you still ignore this vastly important D1 info regarding Iso, something far worse than Meg's D1 play. What I'm seeing is you setting a double standard, but maybe you just got caught up in the early D2 hubbub methinks.
Still, I would like you to explain what behavior Meg has displayed in a summary. I don't want quotes, I want your words.
Excellent idea. The votes:
That means Seppel, AI and Cyouni.
Aka a neutral, his buddy, and Cyouni.
Someone posted that Cyouni was town. Why?
vote Cyouni
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Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Vote Iso
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By the by, I'm also liking Arcadic more after that last post.
For what?
Remember, just because he was town doesn't make him right.
In this case, I'm pretty sure he's wrong.
Active Lurking.
Hand-waving of cases against him or just outright ignoring them.
Only posting in a reprieve when Town was looking elsewhere.
Promising content and never delivering it.
Trying to be "happy go lucky" and ignore his case when there were a lot of things he ought to have responded to.
But, then again, Iso was the first one to call him out. And Iso never substantiated a case besides "he was scum" and piling on "evidence" everytime Meg was able to post. If Iso is indeed scum, I guess that sort of makes the points I'm making against Meg irrelevant.
Too many people on my list with like no posts.
Also, Vote Count:
Iso (4) - AsianInvasion, Wessel, Archmage_Eternal, Cyouni
AsianInvasion (1) - GrickyTimmick
Cyouni (1) - Audinho
With 18 alive, it's 10 to lynch.
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Secondly before you ask that was the only vig shot I had.
Thirdly someone motivated me last night, though I have a sneaking suspicion given the flavor I might die soon from the motivation. So yeah.
Forthly given there was no nightkill I think there is a good chance that kpaca was killed by a mafia toughguy. Rereading kpaca and where he was looking before he died I believe there is a good chance Iso is scum as Iso was really his only target before his death (He also discussed Tordeck replacing out because of non-game impacting reasons, but I find that a stretch).
Vote Iso
Also don't mind voting Meggido.
I would love to lynch AI. He hasn't come across town to me at all this game. But the case on iso is so condemning. The last part of your statement can be applied to AI too right? So we deal with iso today.
This post is everything wrong.
Cyouni is playing well, helping the town, ergo- town. I'm not in favor of lynching cyouni.
AI smells nothing of town.
Seppel just smells. Void has opened my eyes in regards to Seppels alignment.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Terribad vote and reasoning is terribad. Also, tell me why Cyouni ISN'T town?
Thanks for the @Mod you posted. Was going to say something but you nathed me.
As for whether or not Void is on to something with AI/Seppel, only time will tell.
Well explained, although I disagree. There's a townie mindset in this post. Town.
Yes, this works too, but with AI and Seppel being tied to each other, there's a possibility that we get a 2 for 1 with an AI lynch. And then, if we still have any kills left from a JoaT or something (since Guardman claimed 1-shot Vig), they kill Iso and we get 3 scum gone in one D/N cycle.
I mean, if that's the way it works, then killing AI at night is still almost the same. But with our Vig claiming no shots left, I'd prefer to rid ourselves of possibly 2 scum now. The more dead scum in the day, the better.
Either way, my vote is landing on Iso or AI today.
I think Iso is scum too, but I thought the same of Void and DRey. I think there's some heavy manipulation going on. In-depth analysis coming tonight.
I'm leaning Seppel neutral. He hasn't been very active as late. I don't think they would tie themselves together like this as scum. I can see AI as scum latching on to this. Claiming something good for the town?
@AI. Where are you with this?
@Seppel. Whats your take on AI. Anything helpful for the town in your targeting of AI?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I was giving Audio a language pass but yesterday negates any pass. So I'll be okay with his lynch, but only after Iso and Meg.
@Seppel Why haven't you exited stage left even? I believe Grim Batol had same thing and that person disappeared after achieving AWC? Do you mind if we lynch you then to test your AWC?
12-11? I'm losing track
My vote is on Cyuoni because he has been on all three major wagons (DH, DRey and Void), and....
...and the vote for Void at this stage really is a nulltell when I think about it, since he had done it before. I see that my vote is pretty unjustified at this stage.
unvote
But why Iso? IIRC he was not an instigator on any of the major wagons previously mentioned, and that doesn't smell of Iso-scum. The roleblock-scenario seems trustworthy to me as he was the only outed powerrole and thus seems like scums obvious RB-target.
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Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
He has to live to end game.
Which plays right into his hands.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I'd like more content from you. start with comments about this. //forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=8689432&">post1585"]post1585
They hate us cause they ain't us.
This post reeks of backpedal and weaksauce.
Given recent events, Iso has jumped ahead of him.
"Pushing town wagons" in and of itself is not indicative of scum. Especially Day One, the simple act of scum-hunting will result in pushing town wagons. It's certainly not my fault that DRey and Void played poorly.
Secondly, don't game the mod.
Not any more; that would only have happened prior to one of us targeting the other.
Why did you claim?
I don't think you could fence-sit any harder.
Read the last Day of Ozone Underground before you arbitrarily decide that Iso claiming to be RB'd makes him trustworthy.
I don't think that what you argue lends credit to Seppel actually being Neutral. His neutral claim is perfect if they are scumbuddies. Not only does it make the town leary of voting Seppel, but it's a grand excuse to lurk. He pops in now and then with accurate reads and pushes a case against a player that was lurking at the time. Once Void started flailing and not answering the case, Seppel just tried desperately to hammer the case home.
Basically, I understand that Seppel could be neutral, but if it's a scum gambit, falseclaiming neutral is just about the only way to pull it off. It's really a dead sprint between the two options, which is why lynching AI is the better option to reason whether Seppel is neutral or scum.
In hindsight, a better question for Void would have been "Is there at least one neutral still alive in the game?". That may or may not have solved the Seppel problem.
1. Because there was no reason not to.
2. I only had one vig shot.
3. Get rid of confusion about Void's death.
4. I might die from motivation.
It's not just that you pushed their wagons, it's the way you pushed their wagons. You were on the fringe of both wagons, arguing "If not one, then the other" and generally riding the wagon. Yeah, DRey and Void could have been better (DRey moreso than Void), but you riding the wafflesauce on the both of them was telling. I need to doublecheck, cause I think you were on another burgeoning town-wagon early on in the game. DH maybe?
I'll game the mod on this one. I'm taking it with a grain of salt that it's not unheard of that a neutral and a townie be paired together, but I'm still leery. I don't see why I shouldn't game the mod, within reason of course.
On Tordeck: Post count is an inefficient way of meta analysis. People can die Day 1, Day 3, go to endgame. I thought it was a silly reason to attack Iso. On the case, I admit I had a gut read on Tordeck and I'm procrastizing the case.
On Megiddo: This one I'm more sure of. Megiddo, as town, posts a ton. You can observe this on the games he played as Rick Santorum.
Also:
I'm not buying the "I'm trying a new playing style" stuff.
Vote Megiddo
They hate us cause they ain't us.
1. Vomiting information into the thread is bad in general.
2. Now the scum know to leave you alone and hunt PRs elsewhere.
3. It was very obviously a vig shot; no scum in their right mind would take out Void.
4. You should have claimed just that bit.
Lethal motivator sounds like a really risky town role, but the usage of this ability last Night seems poorly planned.
DRey stuck out his neck to defend Void, literally offering to be the lynch. Excuse me for thinking that they were both scum.
I was pro-Dragonheart, so you are misremembering that wagon. (Colorful chart!)
This is a Specialty. Don't game the mod.
Sup bro. I didn't understand it so I ignored it. Rephrase plz.
Iso are you a triple voter?
I recall a game (maybe more than one) where the mafia was able to sacrifice their nightkill for a daykill. I suspect kpaca's was more likely from town, given the motivations. Scum wouldn't be nearly as worried about that.
Ah, I was curious.
I find it relatively unlikely they're attempting to pull the mason trick - it's too blatantly obvious right now. It'd be a bad idea to draw attention via Seppel being "neutral", since he'd be lynched in an emergency, instantly taking out two scum.
What?
To note, the last successful time I heard of that gambit being run was in Harry Potter Mafia quite a while back, to great success. The way they ran it was by claiming a mason pair.
Sadly, I thought the same thing this morning.
You voted for Iso before. Why?
Also, why do you have everything but reasons why people are scum? Tordeck's got a "silly reason", which isn't actually scummy. Megiddo's a complete meta read, which obviously doesn't take into account RL circumstances. In other words, you're not actually giving reasons why people you're voting are scum.
I just have a hard time believing that kpaca's death was from a town, especially because he was erased from the game and didn't technically die. In fact the mod initially denied that kpaca was ever in the game and it was only with rampant speculation about him disappearing for being suspended that the mod said he had died. Erasure roles on almost exclusively on non-town entities. Given this and the fact kpaca was scumhunting (and is a scary scumhunter) plus the fact we had no death last night other than Void who I killed leads me to believe that kpaca's death was a scum toughguy kill meant to take pressure off of Iso, which it did.
Seconded.
Apparently I'm missing something, too.
Yes, because I'm definitely DRey. (If you don't get it, I'll explain.)
Where am I distancing? I said that Void was jumping the gun. Is that distancing?
OH MY GOD ARE YOU EVEN READING
JUST STOP
YEAH VOID WAS TOWN. BITE ME.
"ISO WAS VOID'S SCUMBUDDY" "VOID WAS TOWN" "ISO IS SCUM"
GOOD LORD
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
HOW DO YOU PEOPLE NOT REALIZE THIS PERSON IS SCUM?
IS ANYONE READING THE GAME?!?
I'm so done with this.
You.
Cannot.
Meta.
Me.
After this game, I am now pushing a policy lynch on anyone who tries to push me based on meta.
[B]VOID CONFIRMED THAT THERE IS NO SK THROUGH THE MOD.
WEREN'T YOU JUST COMMENTING ABOUT NEUTRAL-HUNTING?[/B]
Let's find out! [B]Vote Megiddo Vote Megiddo[/B]
So, town honestly deserves to lose this from the godawful play and Vig shots I've seen so far, so here's my final scum list:
Megiddo
Prophylaxis
GrickyTimmick
Infinis
Arcadic
You should already know the reasons.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So yeah.
Lynch me and then lynch all the scum.
Kthxbai.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You're welcome.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player