I really would not mind voting DRey, but I cannot get over the fact that he's willing to see himself dead to keep Void alive. Even if we assume Void is town, no scum would do that for a town. Scum trying to keep their more powerful member alive is far more likely, and so I'd like to see Void dead before DRey.
Good catch on Void's inconsistent stance re: myself.
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Void's response to the Daykill regarding AI's alignment was clearly OMGUS. Why do I have to keep spelling these things out for you people? Anyway, people are going to continue to not listen to me, so I'm gonna stop white knighting Void and just keep my vote to one of the wagons I support.
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If it was actually OMGUS, I'd expect to see AI on his scum list as well. It's obviously not there, presumably because he wouldn't want to rock the boat too much after the fake daykill. It's also terribly inconsistent - he's talked about Seppel lying all this time (because he's a neutral) but not a word about AI lying (AI's regarded as town).
The best way I can describe it is "trying not to rock the boat".
Also, in my previous post, that's supposed to be "habit of being [i]unable[/u] to spell usernames correctly".
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No. That would be terribly unlikely. That would require Void, AI, and Seppel to all be scum.
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Anyways, I'm of the belief that Void figured it wasn't a real daykill and decided to take advantage of it. If it was fake, then he gained the possibility of not being lynched. If not, he was dead anyways, so no loss there.
Disagree. I can't remember a time when a scum went, "Ahhh, you got me" He was dead anyway as you said might as well carry on the facade.
This seems so far from his previous reaction that it's unnatural. It's gone from "I have no reason to think this is false" to a completely joking tone - "Could you warn a guy next time", especially paired with that emoticon, is about as far from "I think I've just been daykilled" as one can get.
Agreed. But again I don't think it's indicative of his alignment.
It then goes onto his scum team list:
He's pretty much been completely silent on everyone except Seppel (who he's, amusingly, comparing to when Seppel was town while trying to argue Seppel's scum) for the last few hundred posts. Nothing's changed.
And his thoughts on AI. Note how AI isn't on his scum-team list. Yet he's also arguing that AI is scum.
It's likely that Void figured out the daykill was fake - it came from the wrong person.
If the daykill was real, then AI (and therefore probably Seppel) would probably be lying, and therefore likely scum - it makes little sense for the daykill to be something AI had before he "linked" with Seppel. If he knew, however, that AI wasn't scum, then he could simply extrapolate that AI was probably telling the truth about his interaction with Seppel, and therefore there was actually no daykill. It's something that'd be put down to a gut read, but that's the line of logic behind it. If AI is assumed to be town, then a daykill at this point from him is highly unlikely.
Void's flippant tone while being daykilled and very...uninformative scum list, together with having to be pressed to provide it, make it likely he noticed that.
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That said, I think AI faked the DK to WIFOM any future SK talk about him. If Void flips towm at any point, AI goes "told you! that's why I faked the DK" If Void flips scum at any point, AI goes "I was wrong." (And why as the SK would I fake the DK and bring attention on myself)
Still on the fence about Void. But we've caught the SK.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
1600 posts and still Day 1. This is why large games suck. All people want to do anymore is talk and talk and talk and talk some more. We are getting nowhere.
Waiting for the votecount then I am putting my vote on whichever wagon is biggest.
@Cyoni I think you are trying to trick me into a modkill, so no sir, I can't answer you just yet.
I agree with Wessel on AE, he's now added into my list of players I don't mind seeing hang.
@players voting Wessel, unvote him, if he's town he's very valuable to lose on D1. He's like a Cyoni, good as town, suck as scum so he will become apparent soon enough if he's scum.
@WG of course I'm serious. I never lie as town.:D I greatly trust Arcadic this game.
@Audinho VERY GOOD catch. Infinis, Cyoni, Meg and WG are good candidates for today. You are also now added to my town pile. There ever was Kpaca wagon? if yes, can you analyse it too for me?
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I don't think there ever was a noteworthy wagon on kpaca, and I don't know how much value analysing it would have as he was neutral and people voting for him is really a null tell.
If I have misspelled ant usernames I'm facepalming and cursing, I'll focus on not doing it again (tvist was worth replying to singel Cyoni mentioned it in three posts :p)
Ebp: Cyuoni. Sorry, that's a tough one to get right. Can't correct in post since fubarphone.
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No. That would be terribly unlikely. That would require Void, AI, and Seppel to all be scum.
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Anyways, I'm of the belief that Void figured it wasn't a real daykill and decided to take advantage of it. If it was fake, then he gained the possibility of not being lynched. If not, he was dead anyways, so no loss there.
This seems so far from his previous reaction that it's unnatural. It's gone from "I have no reason to think this is false" to a completely joking tone - "Could you warn a guy next time", especially paired with that emoticon, is about as far from "I think I've just been daykilled" as one can get.
It then goes onto his scum team list:
He's pretty much been completely silent on everyone except Seppel (who he's, amusingly, comparing to when Seppel was town while trying to argue Seppel's scum) for the last few hundred posts. Nothing's changed.
And his thoughts on AI. Note how AI isn't on his scum-team list. Yet he's also arguing that AI is scum.
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It's likely that Void figured out the daykill was fake - it came from the wrong person.
If the daykill was real, then AI (and therefore probably Seppel) would probably be lying, and therefore likely scum - it makes little sense for the daykill to be something AI had before he "linked" with Seppel. If he knew, however, that AI wasn't scum, then he could simply extrapolate that AI was probably telling the truth about his interaction with Seppel, and therefore there was actually no daykill. It's something that'd be put down to a gut read, but that's the line of logic behind it. If AI is assumed to be town, then a daykill at this point from him is highly unlikely.
Void's flippant tone while being daykilled and very...uninformative scum list, together with having to be pressed to provide it, make it likely he noticed that.
Your case has one big flaw, Void sucks. I've played a lot with him and know that contradictions and awful play is the norm with his town play. ANd his role is only acceptable as town, meaning you are pushing a mislynch thrice in a row on D1. Can you even be more obvscum than this?
Also the daykill thing really is null so you guys need to stop analysing that, Void is not a first time player, I'm pretty sure he has seen a fake daykill before, and AI's clearly was one of those.
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Also can we lynch someone before Wednesday? I'm going to travel and be with limited/zero access for a week.
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1600 posts and still Day 1. This is why large games suck. All people want to do anymore is talk and talk and talk and talk some more. We are getting nowhere.
Waiting for the votecount then I am putting my vote on whichever wagon is biggest.
I am sick of this Day.
I can /barn that.
Unvote, Vote: Void
Also on a related note, every time DRey posts he reaffirms my scumread on him.
@Cyoni I think you are trying to trick me into a modkill, so no sir, I can't answer you just yet.
Oh? How so? You're just using this as an excuse to get away from your unfounded meta case.
And I am still twiddling my thumbs waiting for your meta case. You've never played with me as scum, so I'd really love to hear how you know so much about my meta.
Also any time he tries to call me scum it's clearly forced. Like seriously, everything's addressed to someone you think is town, and then "can you be more obvscum". For example, look at that amusing response to my post. It's pretty much "You're mistaken, you're mistaken, you're mistaken, oh right I have to say you're scum". It's hilarious.
ModCharm informed that I still have one statement that I may use.
I say save it for another day, unless we can come up with a statement that is actually relevant about something that we won't figure out soon enought anyway.
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Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
I have requested V/LA for two to three days from the mod. If this is unacceptable, I will just replace out. Sorry everyone, some serious family issues are more pressing right now.
Real life happens. Just keep reading and I don't foresee any issues. Still looking for a replacement to DV, and I'd like to keep the replacement request queue to 1 or fewer if at all possible.
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Analysis: This is my first post where I noted AE's reply was scummy. I questioned AE why another confirmation question should be asked (a valid question in my opinion, as there had already been a question which kind of validated Void's abilty - even if you want to validate Void's question, you could ask something differently but at the same time helpful, like the question I asked regarding 'at least 8 non-towns'). Note that I specifically mentioned that my issue with it was the non-committal nature of the phrase and the apparent disinterestedness with the way Void's question is phrased. The way Void's question is phrased is of the utmost importance! To say something like 'Either way proves it right?' shows AE in fact does not care about it. Anyway, the most important part to take away from this is that I attacked AE for being uninterested in how Void's question should be phrased.
Why must another player be interested in another players ability? And why is not being interested a scummy trait?
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Analysis: The first part of AE's reply is okay. He states why he wants to spend another one of Void's limited amount of questions. However, the second part is telling. He attacks me for smearing, while in fact he does it himself. This is another scumtell. Smearing someone is attacking someone without any argument backing up that claim. I attacked AE for the reasons stated in my post. You can agree or disagree with my statement, but it is not smearing. However, AE then smeared me by saying I smeared him. He does not say why it is smearing, hoping it will stick on me without argument.
He then goes on explaining why he said 'either way', which is fine, but at the same time it is not. It is not fine 'either way', because the way AE phrased it, it was wrong. AE could have admitted to that, which would have been a townie thing to do, but instead he shrugs it of by saying 'either way is fine' (which, again, it isn't).
He then asks me a question which is not a logical extension on the my attack against him. This is another scumtell. I attacked AE for being disinterested. AE, however, bends it and claims I thought he was scummy for trying to validate Void's role - thereby asking me an incriminating question, which of course I did not answer, because it was a false question designed to paint me as scum. (Another scumtell from AE.)
Perspective means a lot. Just because you don’t believe you smeared AE, doesn’t mean it didn’t come across that way and vise versa.
How is it not “fine either way”? When I flip town, then you will know for a fact that that my claim is what I say it is. Even if I did flip scum, the town would know not to trust the information. IMO, when AE said “either was is fine” that AE is correct in that statement.
How is AE suppose to know what you attacking him for when you don’t specifically state so? Attention does not mean Disinterest. AE is paying attention to the ability by trying to validate that answers. I’m not even sure how AE is showing disinterest when he IS TRYING (and doing an okay job) to validate the answers.
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Analysis: AE accused me of smearing him. As I noted, I disagree with that. I attacked him, giving reasons why. If it's smearing if you're calling someone scum + giving the reasons, I question what isn't smearing in AE's mind. According to AE attacking me, scumhunting is also smearing. What is more logical is that AE was just trying to discredit the attacker (me).
Seeing how AE's question had nothing to do with my attack on him, I did not answer it.
Maybe AE is seeing your attack as a smear because of how you are approaching the situation? See above for the reasoning why.
AE is not trying to discredit you. He is defending himself from what his perspective is telling him. Your claiming disinteresting when in fact it is not. Disinterest would be not caring about the ability in general. AE has not done this. AE has been trying to help figure things out.
His perspective of your attack holds great credence with that question. Your attack against AE was not done very well and you obviously didn’t think it through to well.
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Analysis: In this post Archmage Eternal attacks me for not answering his question (I've giving my answer why I didn't do that above, I hope it's satisfactory). However, in trying to show to the players that I must be scum for not answering his post, he purposefully omits the most important part of his post (major scumtell), and the part I answered, namely his question 'So now you try smearing me?' By omitting this, he tries to fabricate an argument why I am scum, hoping the unobservant players fall for this. I did not answer his question because it was fabricated to make me look scummy.
Archmage Eternal then answered my post stating a universal truth (The goal is to lynch scum. The play is to scumhunt). That is what I said in other words, apparently AE is trying to play semantics. Anyway, he then goes on saying 'In order for scum to scum hunt they need to smear to try and build a case.' As I've stated, my attack was not smearing. However, AE's attack on me was. So he actually digs his own grave by explaining that his own action is scummy.
I rest my case.
Not answering questions is still a scummy trait. But I understand, from your perspective, on why the question doesn’t matter. You just need to realize that your attack against AE should have been thought out a little better. What I am seeing is that you are attacking AE for one thing, but then claiming your attack to be something else.
Really not liking Wessel's play against AE here. Pushing AE for disinterest when there was cleary no disinterest on AE's part.
Wessel spefically states "Attention" and not "Disinterest" is his attack. When in fact AE was paying attention close attention to the details of my ability.
Unvote Vote: Wessel
Re: AsianI: I don’t believe him to be scum. I do believe him to be the SK.
I’m not liking how AsianI fakes a DayKill and then expects the town to follow him in a DRey lynch immediately after. WG didn’t look so good for following him blindly. (I know WG has his reasons, but why would trust someone that much after a Faked DayKill?)
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Anyways, I'm of the belief that Void figured it wasn't a real daykill and decided to take advantage of it. If it was fake, then he gained the possibility of not being lynched. If not, he was dead anyways, so no loss there.
I figured out it wasn’t a fake within the 3 minutes that I made two separate posts? Highly unlikely considering I was focusing on my initial post and didn’t even see thr Day Kill post until I had posted mine. That was a 1 minute difference between the Day Kill post and my initial post. I then do a quick reply because I notice the Day Kill post from AsainI.
This seems so far from his previous reaction that it's unnatural. It's gone from "I have no reason to think this is false" to a completely joking tone - "Could you warn a guy next time", especially paired with that emoticon, is about as far from "I think I've just been daykilled" as one can get.
It was a complete joke and sarcasm because I thought that AsianI was being serious.
It then goes onto his scum team list:
He's pretty much been completely silent on everyone except Seppel (who he's, amusingly, comparing to when Seppel was town while trying to argue Seppel's scum) for the last few hundred posts. Nothing's changed.
I believe Seppel to be scum because of Kpaca.
I also believe Seppel to be scum for missteps about his claimed Win Condition.
If the daykill was real, then AI (and therefore probably Seppel) would probably be lying, and therefore likely scum - it makes little sense for the daykill to be something AI had before he "linked" with Seppel. If he knew, however, that AI wasn't scum, then he could simply extrapolate that AI was probably telling the truth about his interaction with Seppel, and therefore there was actually no daykill. It's something that'd be put down to a gut read, but that's the line of logic behind it. If AI is assumed to be town, then a daykill at this point from him is highly unlikely.
Good to know which statement you operating under, even if the statement is incorrect.
Void's flippant tone while being daykilled and very...uninformative scum list, together with having to be pressed to provide it, make it likely he noticed that.
You’re using the fact that I was pressed for time against me is very telling of you. Please note the time differences in some of the posts that you are referring too. It may put some of your perspective into a different light.
As for the list of scum I supplied. The reasons for all of them have been and will be in the thread. The only exception is Seppel, because I don’t believe I actually voiced who I was believing.
I agree with Wessel on AE, he's now added into my list of players I don't mind seeing hang.
@Audinho VERY GOOD catch. Infinis, Cyoni, Meg and WG are good candidates for today. You are also now added to my town pile. There ever was Kpaca wagon? if yes, can you analyse it too for me?
Please elaborate on why you believe Wessel over AE.
Why do you believe that Audinho is 100% correct in his analysis?
Your case has one big flaw, Void sucks. I've played a lot with him and know that contradictions and awful play is the norm with his town play. ANd his role is only acceptable as town, meaning you are pushing a mislynch thrice in a row on D1. Can you even be more obvscum than this?
Also the daykill thing really is null so you guys need to stop analysing that, Void is not a first time player, I'm pretty sure he has seen a fake daykill before, and AI's clearly was one of those.
How is being wrong make someone scum? Also, please provide the posts/quotes of the wagon’s that Cyouni was on that have been proven to be a mislynch without a shadow of a doubt.
Please explain why you knew clearly that AsianI’s DayKill was a fake.
That said, I think AI faked the DK to WIFOM any future SK talk about him. If Void flips towm at any point, AI goes "told you! that's why I faked the DK" If Void flips scum at any point, AI goes "I was wrong." (And why as the SK would I fake the DK and bring attention on myself)
Still on the fence about Void. But we've caught the SK.
Vote: AI
Wat. There is absolutely no connection between faking a Daykill and knowing Void is town/mafia without knowing Void's alignment, which would involve being mafia myself. Your argument has no internal validity.
Re: AsianI: I don’t believe him to be scum. I do believe him to be the SK.
I’m not liking how AsianI fakes a DayKill and then expects the town to follow him in a DRey lynch immediately after. WG didn’t look so good for following him blindly. (I know WG has his reasons, but why would trust someone that much after a Faked DayKill?)
"I believe you are scum so therefore you should die before using your ability." He says this despite my ability be proven at least. Town would let me finish my ability prior to this. Scum would not.
Even if I was scum the truth would have come out on my ability later in the game and proving whether or not the information was true or flase. So, why is there a need to rush in with a Day Kill? I will tell you. There isn't. Either AsianI is scum or he is the SK and did not want the SK statement to be made true. The town gets to decide which one.
Here is the reasoning I provided then and that I am using now. Just ignore me calling you scum in there. That portion I don't believe at this point. I believe you are the SK of this game.
Here is the reasoning I provided then and that I am using now. Just ignore me calling you scum in there. That portion I don't believe at this point. I believe you are the SK of this game.
Void: "u scum"
Void: "u scum or sk i dunno"
Void: "u sk"
I figured out it wasn’t a fake within the 3 minutes that I made two separate posts? Highly unlikely considering I was focusing on my initial post and didn’t even see thr Day Kill post until I had posted mine. That was a 1 minute difference between the Day Kill post and my initial post. I then do a quick reply because I notice the Day Kill post from AsainI.
I never said when. But it's more than possible for it to be in that time - using the logic I described, it's easy enough.
Even so, it's not very good of you to take the least likely time frame and attempt to use that as your defense. The most likely time is the hour between your two posts - that's when your tone does a complete 180.
Here is the reasoning I provided then and that I am using now. Just ignore me calling you scum in there. That portion I don't believe at this point. I believe you are the SK of this game.
You imply that you believed him to be scum at that point rather than the SK. As a result, your defense does not hold water.
You’re using the fact that I was pressed for time against me is very telling of you. Please note the time differences in some of the posts that you are referring too. It may put some of your perspective into a different light.
First sentence attempts to imply that he thinks I'm scum. Second and third sentences are attempting to convince me as though he thinks I'm town.
As for the list of scum I supplied. The reasons for all of them have been and will be in the thread. The only exception is Seppel, because I don’t believe I actually voiced who I was believing.
I am proving it, because that post does not exist. Way to prove your case.
I distilled the posts you just quoted to their essence, demonstrating your inconsistent stance. I don't think you could be more deluded in thinking that you are doing anything other than digging your own grave.
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I guess I'm posting to post. There's not much that has changed for me.
DRey is still scum. Best possible lynch for the day.
Other options are Aud and Iso.
Wessel looks suspicious but the jury's still out on him.
Void's more than likely town. AI's gambit is a null tell. Don't see the "AI = SK" logic. That's jumping to conclusions IMO.
I have a suspicion in the back of my head that we've been over thinking this, that all the fighting going on is townie fights and that 3-4 scum are lurking hardcore right now. Talking about Proph, Infinis and Arcadic. DRey's down in the low count too, but he's just replaced in so that's all null. Still he replaced Zaj, another extremely low count.
Methinks that if pushed to a deadline, Arcadic or Proph might be a solid lynch choice.
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My thoughts, which are similar to Cyouni's, are that DRey is all-but-confirmed scum and Void is a step below, but DRey's overzealous protection of Void when coupled with Void's behavior makes Void a better immediate lynch. As I've been saying.
I guess I'm posting to post. There's not much that has changed for me.
DRey is still scum. Best possible lynch for the day.
Other options are Aud and Iso.
Wessel looks suspicious but the jury's still out on him.
Void's more than likely town. AI's gambit is a null tell. Don't see the "AI = SK" logic. That's jumping to conclusions IMO.
I have a suspicion in the back of my head that we've been over thinking this, that all the fighting going on is townie fights and that 3-4 scum are lurking hardcore right now. Talking about Proph, Infinis and Arcadic. DRey's down in the low count too, but he's just replaced in so that's all null. Still he replaced Zaj, another extremely low count.
Methinks that if pushed to a deadline, Arcadic or Proph might be a solid lynch choice.
Low post count is meaningless when the bolded above is how so many play.
AI is SK. But I guess that will be examined again at a later date.
Unvote.
Void acts scummy but has a town sounding role, Drey goes from I don't care to Void is town kill me instead, AI is SK.
Vote: Drey I made that case half jokingly, but having had it percolate a bit.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Low post count is meaningless when the bolded above is how so many play.
BS. This is not an excuse for you lurking. That was the first "I have nothing more to say" post from me so far this game. It was me posting because I had nothing more to add to the discussion and I was recapping my feelings so far, partially to remind people where I stand, partially to avoid a prod. That, however, doesn't excuse you from content, nor does it give you a free ticket to lurkville.
Why do you believe scum DRey to be offering himself as a lynch over town Void?
WIFOM. Like "town wouldn't make that argument!". It's both prelynch and post lynch WIFOM, because scum-DRey makes that statement and attempts to avoid the lynch. If he's lynched, Void becomes tied to DRey, potentially setting up Void's mislynch. And since most of the town has mixed feelings on Void anyway, this little nudge from DRey might be enough to cause a mislynch after the fact.
Basically, it's DRey's last, desperate move to appear town. People had been calling him scum for a while and I view this move as a flail under pressure.
Finally, it's an incorrect mindset for town to have. He's defending someone he believes to be a townie, but unless he's not telling us anything, he doesn't KNOW that Void's a townie. Still, he's willing to die for Void? No town is willing to die for someone that's unconfirmed to them. Hell, very few town are willing to die in place of someone that IS confirmed. The Sacrifice play just isn't in the town's playbook. Losing town is always bad, so there's a big part of the townie mindset that says "Stay alive at all costs".
So, WIFOM play, bit of flail and wrong mindset. All things I see wrong with the sacrifice play by DRey.
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WIFOM. Like "town wouldn't make that argument!". It's both prelynch and post lynch WIFOM, because scum-DRey makes that statement and attempts to avoid the lynch. If he's lynched, Void becomes tied to DRey, potentially setting up Void's mislynch. And since most of the town has mixed feelings on Void anyway, this little nudge from DRey might be enough to cause a mislynch after the fact.
Basically, it's DRey's last, desperate move to appear town. People had been calling him scum for a while and I view this move as a flail under pressure.
Finally, it's an incorrect mindset for town to have. He's defending someone he believes to be a townie, but unless he's not telling us anything, he doesn't KNOW that Void's a townie. Still, he's willing to die for Void? No town is willing to die for someone that's unconfirmed to them. Hell, very few town are willing to die in place of someone that IS confirmed. The Sacrifice play just isn't in the town's playbook. Losing town is always bad, so there's a big part of the townie mindset that says "Stay alive at all costs".
So, WIFOM play, bit of flail and wrong mindset. All things I see wrong with the sacrifice play by DRey.
So you agree that DRey is definitely scum at this point. Reread the series of posts between him replacing in and him defending Void to the death. Given how quickly DRey came to the conclusion that Void is town and must be protected at all costs, how likely do you think it is that Void is actually town and DRey was planning on pulling a WIFOM gambit by throwing his own life away just to generate a mislynch? It seems much more likely that DRey was trying to protect Void from the start, but failed to deflect pressure away from himself in the meantime, and so tried to grab everyone's attention in order to cut the scumteam's losses.
So you agree that DRey is definitely scum at this point. Reread the series of posts between him replacing in and him defending Void to the death. Given how quickly DRey came to the conclusion that Void is town and must be protected at all costs, how likely do you think it is that Void is actually town and DRey was planning on pulling a WIFOM gambit by throwing his own life away just to generate a mislynch? It seems much more likely that DRey was trying to protect Void from the start, but failed to deflect pressure away from himself in the meantime, and so tried to grab everyone's attention in order to cut the scumteam's losses.
First of all, "at this point", like I haven't been convinced he was scum all along? I've been calling him scum longer than you have I think. But that's beside the point.
I see your logic and I'll admit that him trying to save Void because Void is powerful mafia makes a bit more sense than it previously did, but I still don't think that's what's going on here. If he is trying to protect Voidscum and he makes the sacrifice play, the scumteam loses two scum on the fault of one player. Him saying he'll sacrifice himself to save his buddy, then being lynched by the town to turn up as scum, would royally screw Voidscum over, if Void is indeed scum. That's a risky play for the scumteam. I think it's much more likely that DRey is buddying hard with town instead of making such a terrible risky play that could cost the scumteam two players, one being presumably powerful.
Note that DRey replaced in for someone who was quite suspicious throughout the whole town. I think his first move would rather be earning townie points than sticking his neck out right off the bat.
Does that make sense? I keep reading it thinking it's not going to make sense to anybody but me. I'm pretty tired though.
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I'm torn. Tomorrow is my last day before I travel for the GP, and I will be offline for roughtly a week, meaning I cannot claim or defend myself before this day comes to an end. My original plan, if I was town, when I replaced in was to die asap letting good info for town, the problem is that I replaced in as a power role and that put me in a weird position, because I want to die but don't want at the same time ("omg he's so scummy for backtracking"). Oh well.
Lynching Void is bad for town, but lynching me is even worse because he's sucking way too much ("AI is the SK for no reason", "Am I still alive? how stramge", "Wessel is scum for terrible reasons") and he will be vanilla after asking the last question (btw why haven't you asked my question yet?! it's clearly the best one because ir will clear or condemn Seppel once and for all) so it pains me to say I can agree with his lynch (but won't vote me because I want to see scum puting their votes in the open :D)only if the other option is me.
I greatly prefer a lynch on (in order, kinda):
-Seppel (99% confscum after Kpaca's flip)
-Cyouni (one of the best players on this site is pushing for conftown Void, plus me for craptastic reasons, plus is wrong about everything as proved by Audinho's wagon analysis again)
-Meg (I've read all his games he's always very active as town, his excuse of having moderator duties is a lie because he is a mod since his very first game and he was always active, he clearly is scum actively lurking after being pressured earlier)
-WG (scummy gambit, because everyone knows posting restrictions are town exclusive, scummy behavior, plus Audinho wagon analysis)
-Infinis (nonsensical as always but this time has a hidden agenda as proved by Audinho's wagon analysis)
-AI (only after Seppel flips scum, if Seppel somehow (he won't) flips neutral don't lynch him, but if he flips scum means he adapted that situation from Seasons in a scum gambit, meaning he's scum)
-AE (Wessel case, gut because of past experiences with him, I've been scum with him, I think I can read him somehow, but can't explain very well, sorry, anyway he's lowest in the priority)
Please don't lynch Void, Audinho, Arcadic, Death_vampire and Gricky unless there's definitive proof they are scum.
@Mod please don't modkill or replace DV, looks like his suspention will be soon over so let he rejoin the game.
I will claim tomorrow if nothing changes until there, unvote, vote Wheat_grinder because looks like he's the biggest wagon I'm fine with a lynch on.
@Audinho, Gman, Iso, Void, Arnaria Do you guys remember my lynch on Mean Girls? I cleared Gman and Void and incriminated arimnaes in a definitive way. When I died and I flipped town everyone ignored my words next day, words of truth! and town lost. If any of you is town, don't forget my reads, I know I'm possibly wrong on things here (how could I not be?) but take this post serious, copy the link or something, but please don't forget it if you are town. Promise me this please. I'm talking from the botton of my heart, don't let me death be in vain.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Good catch on Void's inconsistent stance re: myself.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The best way I can describe it is "trying not to rock the boat".
Also, in my previous post, that's supposed to be "habit of being [i]unable[/u] to spell usernames correctly".
Also, in my previous post, that's supposed to be "habit of being unable to spell usernames correctly".
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Then why did you just white knight again?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Disagree. I can't remember a time when a scum went, "Ahhh, you got me" He was dead anyway as you said might as well carry on the facade.
Agreed. But again I don't think it's indicative of his alignment.
Maybe a slip, maybe not, but scummy.
That said, I think AI faked the DK to WIFOM any future SK talk about him. If Void flips towm at any point, AI goes "told you! that's why I faked the DK" If Void flips scum at any point, AI goes "I was wrong." (And why as the SK would I fake the DK and bring attention on myself)
Still on the fence about Void. But we've caught the SK.
Vote: AI
12-11? I'm losing track
Waiting for the votecount then I am putting my vote on whichever wagon is biggest.
I am sick of this Day.
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I agree with Wessel on AE, he's now added into my list of players I don't mind seeing hang.
@players voting Wessel, unvote him, if he's town he's very valuable to lose on D1. He's like a Cyoni, good as town, suck as scum so he will become apparent soon enough if he's scum.
@WG of course I'm serious. I never lie as town.:D I greatly trust Arcadic this game.
@Audinho VERY GOOD catch. Infinis, Cyoni, Meg and WG are good candidates for today. You are also now added to my town pile. There ever was Kpaca wagon? if yes, can you analyse it too for me?
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
If I have misspelled ant usernames I'm facepalming and cursing, I'll focus on not doing it again (tvist was worth replying to singel Cyoni mentioned it in three posts :p)
Ebp: Cyuoni. Sorry, that's a tough one to get right. Can't correct in post since fubarphone.
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Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Also the daykill thing really is null so you guys need to stop analysing that, Void is not a first time player, I'm pretty sure he has seen a fake daykill before, and AI's clearly was one of those.
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Also can we lynch someone before Wednesday? I'm going to travel and be with limited/zero access for a week.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Void (3) - Seppel, Cyouni, AsianInvasion
AsianInvasion (2) - DRey, Infinis
Wessel (2) - Archmage_Eternal, Iso
Megiddo (2) - Prophylaxis, Guardman
Archmage_Eternal (1) - Wessel
DRey (1) - Wheat_Grinder
With 20 alive, it's 11 to lynch.
ganderin_dan and prophylaxis have been prodded.
A hard deadline of midnight EDT on July 21st has been set. This deadline will not be removed barring an extreme situation.
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I can /barn that.
Unvote, Vote: Void
Also on a related note, every time DRey posts he reaffirms my scumread on him.
vote Wheatums
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
And I am still twiddling my thumbs waiting for your meta case. You've never played with me as scum, so I'd really love to hear how you know so much about my meta.
Also any time he tries to call me scum it's clearly forced. Like seriously, everything's addressed to someone you think is town, and then "can you be more obvscum". For example, look at that amusing response to my post. It's pretty much "You're mistaken, you're mistaken, you're mistaken, oh right I have to say you're scum". It's hilarious.
Catching up now.
ModCharm informed that I still have one statement that I may use.
I say save it for another day, unless we can come up with a statement that is actually relevant about something that we won't figure out soon enought anyway.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Currently Playing:
GBStandard - Golgari Safari MidrangeBG
RBWModern - Mardu PyromancerWBR
RLegacy - Good Old Fashioned BurnR
Clan Contest 3 Mafia - Mafia Co-MVP
Why must another player be interested in another players ability? And why is not being interested a scummy trait?
Perspective means a lot. Just because you don’t believe you smeared AE, doesn’t mean it didn’t come across that way and vise versa.
How is it not “fine either way”? When I flip town, then you will know for a fact that that my claim is what I say it is. Even if I did flip scum, the town would know not to trust the information. IMO, when AE said “either was is fine” that AE is correct in that statement.
How is AE suppose to know what you attacking him for when you don’t specifically state so? Attention does not mean Disinterest. AE is paying attention to the ability by trying to validate that answers. I’m not even sure how AE is showing disinterest when he IS TRYING (and doing an okay job) to validate the answers.
Maybe AE is seeing your attack as a smear because of how you are approaching the situation? See above for the reasoning why.
AE is not trying to discredit you. He is defending himself from what his perspective is telling him. Your claiming disinteresting when in fact it is not. Disinterest would be not caring about the ability in general. AE has not done this. AE has been trying to help figure things out.
His perspective of your attack holds great credence with that question. Your attack against AE was not done very well and you obviously didn’t think it through to well.
Not answering questions is still a scummy trait. But I understand, from your perspective, on why the question doesn’t matter. You just need to realize that your attack against AE should have been thought out a little better. What I am seeing is that you are attacking AE for one thing, but then claiming your attack to be something else.
Really not liking Wessel's play against AE here. Pushing AE for disinterest when there was cleary no disinterest on AE's part.
Wessel spefically states "Attention" and not "Disinterest" is his attack. When in fact AE was paying attention close attention to the details of my ability.
Unvote
Vote: Wessel
Re: AsianI: I don’t believe him to be scum. I do believe him to be the SK.
I’m not liking how AsianI fakes a DayKill and then expects the town to follow him in a DRey lynch immediately after. WG didn’t look so good for following him blindly. (I know WG has his reasons, but why would trust someone that much after a Faked DayKill?)
More to come later.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I figured out it wasn’t a fake within the 3 minutes that I made two separate posts? Highly unlikely considering I was focusing on my initial post and didn’t even see thr Day Kill post until I had posted mine. That was a 1 minute difference between the Day Kill post and my initial post. I then do a quick reply because I notice the Day Kill post from AsainI.
It was a complete joke and sarcasm because I thought that AsianI was being serious.
I believe Seppel to be scum because of Kpaca.
I also believe Seppel to be scum for missteps about his claimed Win Condition.
Note how I said AsianI could be the SK. Leaving information out is never good.
Good to know which statement you operating under, even if the statement is incorrect.
You’re using the fact that I was pressed for time against me is very telling of you. Please note the time differences in some of the posts that you are referring too. It may put some of your perspective into a different light.
As for the list of scum I supplied. The reasons for all of them have been and will be in the thread. The only exception is Seppel, because I don’t believe I actually voiced who I was believing.
Please elaborate on why you believe Wessel over AE.
Why do you believe that Audinho is 100% correct in his analysis?
How is being wrong make someone scum? Also, please provide the posts/quotes of the wagon’s that Cyouni was on that have been proven to be a mislynch without a shadow of a doubt.
Please explain why you knew clearly that AsianI’s DayKill was a fake.
Wat. There is absolutely no connection between faking a Daykill and knowing Void is town/mafia without knowing Void's alignment, which would involve being mafia myself. Your argument has no internal validity.
Wat. No reasoning given whatsoever.
Y'all need to die because y'all are scum.
Reading, from what I have been told, is tech.
It's in the thread why I believe you to be a SK.
Explain it to me like I'm five.
Here is the reasoning I provided then and that I am using now. Just ignore me calling you scum in there. That portion I don't believe at this point. I believe you are the SK of this game.
This sounds forced.
Void: "u scum"
Void: "u scum or sk i dunno"
Void: "u sk"
Not buying it.
Please quote the post where I called you scum prior to your Fake Day Kill.
You can't expect a five-year-old to use the Search function.
You are not doing a very convincing job of portraying yourself as a townie.
I am proving it, because that post does not exist. Way to prove your case.
Even so, it's not very good of you to take the least likely time frame and attempt to use that as your defense. The most likely time is the hour between your two posts - that's when your tone does a complete 180.
Uhuh. So as a result of thinking he was serious, your emotions fluctuate from "I'm being daykilled, what do I do" to making jokes.
Highly unlikely.
Noting how it says absolutely nothing about the other four people.
Yet in this post:
You imply that you believed him to be scum at that point rather than the SK. As a result, your defense does not hold water.
It would have been far more believable if it came from someone else.
First sentence attempts to imply that he thinks I'm scum. Second and third sentences are attempting to convince me as though he thinks I'm town.
Point the posts out for me.
I distilled the posts you just quoted to their essence, demonstrating your inconsistent stance. I don't think you could be more deluded in thinking that you are doing anything other than digging your own grave.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
DRey is still scum. Best possible lynch for the day.
Other options are Aud and Iso.
Wessel looks suspicious but the jury's still out on him.
Void's more than likely town. AI's gambit is a null tell. Don't see the "AI = SK" logic. That's jumping to conclusions IMO.
I have a suspicion in the back of my head that we've been over thinking this, that all the fighting going on is townie fights and that 3-4 scum are lurking hardcore right now. Talking about Proph, Infinis and Arcadic. DRey's down in the low count too, but he's just replaced in so that's all null. Still he replaced Zaj, another extremely low count.
Methinks that if pushed to a deadline, Arcadic or Proph might be a solid lynch choice.
My thoughts, which are similar to Cyouni's, are that DRey is all-but-confirmed scum and Void is a step below, but DRey's overzealous protection of Void when coupled with Void's behavior makes Void a better immediate lynch. As I've been saying.
To that end I am still pushing for a Meg lynch. But I have no problem with a DRey lynch.
Low post count is meaningless when the bolded above is how so many play.
AI is SK. But I guess that will be examined again at a later date.
Unvote.
Void acts scummy but has a town sounding role, Drey goes from I don't care to Void is town kill me instead, AI is SK.
Vote: Drey I made that case half jokingly, but having had it percolate a bit.
12-11? I'm losing track
12-11? I'm losing track
BS. This is not an excuse for you lurking. That was the first "I have nothing more to say" post from me so far this game. It was me posting because I had nothing more to add to the discussion and I was recapping my feelings so far, partially to remind people where I stand, partially to avoid a prod. That, however, doesn't excuse you from content, nor does it give you a free ticket to lurkville.
WIFOM. Like "town wouldn't make that argument!". It's both prelynch and post lynch WIFOM, because scum-DRey makes that statement and attempts to avoid the lynch. If he's lynched, Void becomes tied to DRey, potentially setting up Void's mislynch. And since most of the town has mixed feelings on Void anyway, this little nudge from DRey might be enough to cause a mislynch after the fact.
Basically, it's DRey's last, desperate move to appear town. People had been calling him scum for a while and I view this move as a flail under pressure.
Finally, it's an incorrect mindset for town to have. He's defending someone he believes to be a townie, but unless he's not telling us anything, he doesn't KNOW that Void's a townie. Still, he's willing to die for Void? No town is willing to die for someone that's unconfirmed to them. Hell, very few town are willing to die in place of someone that IS confirmed. The Sacrifice play just isn't in the town's playbook. Losing town is always bad, so there's a big part of the townie mindset that says "Stay alive at all costs".
So, WIFOM play, bit of flail and wrong mindset. All things I see wrong with the sacrifice play by DRey.
So you agree that DRey is definitely scum at this point. Reread the series of posts between him replacing in and him defending Void to the death. Given how quickly DRey came to the conclusion that Void is town and must be protected at all costs, how likely do you think it is that Void is actually town and DRey was planning on pulling a WIFOM gambit by throwing his own life away just to generate a mislynch? It seems much more likely that DRey was trying to protect Void from the start, but failed to deflect pressure away from himself in the meantime, and so tried to grab everyone's attention in order to cut the scumteam's losses.
First of all, "at this point", like I haven't been convinced he was scum all along? I've been calling him scum longer than you have I think. But that's beside the point.
I see your logic and I'll admit that him trying to save Void because Void is powerful mafia makes a bit more sense than it previously did, but I still don't think that's what's going on here. If he is trying to protect Voidscum and he makes the sacrifice play, the scumteam loses two scum on the fault of one player. Him saying he'll sacrifice himself to save his buddy, then being lynched by the town to turn up as scum, would royally screw Voidscum over, if Void is indeed scum. That's a risky play for the scumteam. I think it's much more likely that DRey is buddying hard with town instead of making such a terrible risky play that could cost the scumteam two players, one being presumably powerful.
Note that DRey replaced in for someone who was quite suspicious throughout the whole town. I think his first move would rather be earning townie points than sticking his neck out right off the bat.
Does that make sense? I keep reading it thinking it's not going to make sense to anybody but me. I'm pretty tired though.
Lynching Void is bad for town, but lynching me is even worse because he's sucking way too much ("AI is the SK for no reason", "Am I still alive? how stramge", "Wessel is scum for terrible reasons") and he will be vanilla after asking the last question (btw why haven't you asked my question yet?! it's clearly the best one because ir will clear or condemn Seppel once and for all) so it pains me to say I can agree with his lynch (but won't vote me because I want to see scum puting their votes in the open :D)only if the other option is me.
I greatly prefer a lynch on (in order, kinda):
-Seppel (99% confscum after Kpaca's flip)
-Cyouni (one of the best players on this site is pushing for conftown Void, plus me for craptastic reasons, plus is wrong about everything as proved by Audinho's wagon analysis again)
-Meg (I've read all his games he's always very active as town, his excuse of having moderator duties is a lie because he is a mod since his very first game and he was always active, he clearly is scum actively lurking after being pressured earlier)
-WG (scummy gambit, because everyone knows posting restrictions are town exclusive, scummy behavior, plus Audinho wagon analysis)
-Infinis (nonsensical as always but this time has a hidden agenda as proved by Audinho's wagon analysis)
-AI (only after Seppel flips scum, if Seppel somehow (he won't) flips neutral don't lynch him, but if he flips scum means he adapted that situation from Seasons in a scum gambit, meaning he's scum)
-AE (Wessel case, gut because of past experiences with him, I've been scum with him, I think I can read him somehow, but can't explain very well, sorry, anyway he's lowest in the priority)
Please don't lynch Void, Audinho, Arcadic, Death_vampire and Gricky unless there's definitive proof they are scum.
@Mod please don't modkill or replace DV, looks like his suspention will be soon over so let he rejoin the game.
I will claim tomorrow if nothing changes until there, unvote, vote Wheat_grinder because looks like he's the biggest wagon I'm fine with a lynch on.
@Audinho, Gman, Iso, Void, Arnaria Do you guys remember my lynch on Mean Girls? I cleared Gman and Void and incriminated arimnaes in a definitive way. When I died and I flipped town everyone ignored my words next day, words of truth! and town lost. If any of you is town, don't forget my reads, I know I'm possibly wrong on things here (how could I not be?) but take this post serious, copy the link or something, but please don't forget it if you are town. Promise me this please. I'm talking from the botton of my heart, don't let me death be in vain.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@CharmMod: Would reaching the deadline result in No Lynch or a lynch of the player with the highest number of votes?