I still don't see this ever actually going off though, unless some mafia has a power that makes it worth the risk. (of killing while wounded) It's just a deterrent that forces them to "shuffle".
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Hmm, my post concerning Sol and poggy seemes to have... not actually got posted? Basically I'm still null on Sol and was curious if poggy has been scum in any games here before. (If so, links?)
I also picked up a few decent town reads so at least that was productive.
So far, I think Poggy has been the most scummy of the players in the game. For me, this post is a total scum-tell:
I still don't get how copping a neutral isn't a waste of the town's resources, yet vigging a neutral is. I also didn't like his response when I pointed this out to him. Vote: Poggy.
as stated above i think mirdini and i both went over the top trying to catch scum among the choco pi claim.
i am thinking that neither of our ways to handle it are strictly best(and even mird acknowledged that a N1 vig might not be the best. I think the real scum are lurking in both wagons and i think itd be best to analyze those(hopefully someone better than me can do this as im not very good at deep analysis)
speaking of people who seem to be scum hopping on the wagon for an easy town lynch... bolly goes straight for my throat for a post i already explained and ignores my defense.
Im not sure about putting my vote back on bolly just yet but he is probably my current candidate.
No I made a short one after that, which seems to have vanished into the ether. Not much of a loss though--again just saying the Sol was a null read and asking about poggy's history.
Why would he give us his own role information? That doesn't make sense, regardless of his alignment. Unvote, Vote poggydude poggy for scum.
Because a lack of conviction shows wishy-washiness, willingness to lynch more people than you should want to lynch, and fencesitting. All scummy behavior.
These were my initial reasons for voting you and anything else that I've said since then still applies.
Prime Intellect, when are you going to provide examples of your gut ALWAYS being right on Day 1?
If Prime had voted for (almost) anyone else and given the same reasoning as he did for voting me (other people, "my gut is never wrong"), my vote would have been on him almost immediately. However, since he did vote for me, an immediate vote for him would have been shouted down as OMGUS.
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I can kinda see what you're getting at by saying "Would a vote really matter here?" and there is some truth to it. This is D1 of a 24-person game, and the lynch threshold is 13. No-one is anywhere close to that threshold. At this stage, votes don't matter as much as they will later in the game. But they do still matter, because a vote adds that tiny bit of pressure that an 'FoS' simply doesn't. So why not just vote?
Partially because I want to see how this Poggy thing plays out. If I feel compelled he's sufficiently scummy, I will vote for him. But, my gut tells me he's nowhere near as scummy as Sol (I.e. my entire case on Sol surrounds ONE post calling out a player with noticeably different meta plays who I too find scummy.). I guess I'm not opting for Sol because while I disagree with how he got there, the end result is something I can agree on.
Partially because I want to see how this Poggy thing plays out. If I feel compelled he's sufficiently scummy, I will vote for him. But, my gut tells me he's nowhere near as scummy as Sol (I.e. my entire case on Sol surrounds ONE post calling out a player with noticeably different meta plays who I too find scummy.). I guess I'm not opting for Sol because while I disagree with how he got there, the end result is something I can agree on.
And if you're going to ask for personal meta analysis of why I feel Poggy is playing. Different game, you're going to have to wait for it to finish before I point it out.
Partially because I want to see how this Poggy thing plays out. If I feel compelled he's sufficiently scummy, I will vote for him. But, my gut tells me Sol is nowhere near as scummy as Poggy (I.e. my entire case on Sol surrounds ONE post calling out a player with noticeably different meta plays who I too find scummy.). I guess I'm not opting for Sol because while I disagree with how he got there, the end result is something I can agree on.
Okay so Arnnaria wants me to respond to... I don't quite know what?
While yes, that bighuge post was mostly OH HEY GUYS THIS IS 3P ****, I was in specific noting that I felt that the way that poggy was reacting to it, and to Mirdini was preeeeeeeeeeeeetty bad.
SciSolaris made a sweeping case against Poggy, but I've seen Poggy play like this before. It's his meta. There really is nothing in the case that definitely points Poggy as scum.
Okay, I'm sorry that I did not jump out and say that I HAVE A DAY COP ON POGGY. No **** there's nothing in the case that CONFIRMS POGGY AS SCUM. I can't do that in the course of a single day.
Again, I agree that votes are power. But I disagree that they are the only way to exercise one's power. Scum lists, vote tracking, PBPA -- all these are active ways to scumhunt without throwing down the gauntlet. In fact, that's how I spend most of my games. If you don't believe me, look at my meta. If you don't believe my meta, ask someone I've played with before. I don't vote unless I have to and am 80% confident in what I'm saying. This, for example, is why I'm not voting you but simply putting an FoS on you.
MetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMeta
Yes. You have it. I get it. Let's move on. "So and so never posts on day one, what is the point of threatening them?" Meta is not some solid and unmovable law, it is a tangible, fluid thing that is only as strong as you let it be! I don't want it to be strong. I want what goes on here to dictate things, not what goes on around.
Yea. There are other things that you can use to go HE IS SCUM. But what do you have to do to lynch a guy? Vote.
So, when do the scum have the ability to chat with non-scum?
PRESUMABLY. If it is lylo, and there are 3 people alive, we know that there is only one scum alive. That's what it does. Now, assuming that we have Pi in the mix, and pump it up to my proposed 5 person lylo, Pi, Two Town, Two Scum. Scum knows that there is only two town alive. Let us also assume, FOR THE SAKE OF EXPLAINING HOW SCUM HAMMERING WORKS, that Pi is not whatever he is but he is a Straight Survivor. Two scum alive. One of them can claim without revealing the other IN THE THREAD. Now, two town have a vote. And the third party can either join them, and risk shenanigans happening in the night. Or he can end the game RIGHT THERE. This is the thought that scum has, they don't need to do it in secret because they can risk it to end the game without bells and whistles, especially if that person was going to be lynched anyway..
Because I'm all about playing nice until someone backs me into a corner. And I try my best not to back other people into corners unless I'm 100% sure they are scum.
There is a very, very small amount of holes that you can't climb out of.
I don't think that you'll find any on day one unless someone's dug all the way to the other side.
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Sol, I pretty much agree with your rebuttal. ISP stated earlier that "Votes cause pressure and pressure causes reaction.". And with my meta knowledge, gut feeling, and the fact that he's had a stick up his ass since his very first day in RVS, I assume it's fair to
Sol, I pretty much agree with your rebuttal. ISP stated earlier that "Votes cause pressure and pressure causes reaction.". And with my meta knowledge, gut feeling, and the fact that he's had a stick up his ass since his very first day in RVS, I assume it's fair to
Vote Poggydude
ISP = Iso
iPad with autocorrect screws me over more often than not.
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Poggy saying he would vote Bolly without actually voting Bolly is, hmm. vote: Poggy.
Bolly being self-concious is also a Thing, as Iso pointed out.
(ps: Hi, Iso. I like your play. Mostly. There are better ways to do catchup posts than quotewalls, but I can't figure out how to explain them right now.)
(hi Laset. Thanks. And I know there are, but because of how many thoughts I generate while I'm posting, it's the easiest way for me to keep track of everything.)
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I really hope this wasn't you claiming to be the Cop.
Nah, I was just saying that there are not a lot of situations in which someone can be 100% sure they have scum on day one, let alone 24 hours after the game started, which is what I felt that arn wanted from me.
Slightly off-topic: are you sure you're not Shalako in disguise?
I am pretty sure that I am myself and not secretly anyone else.*
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holy cat jesus christ guys, i put up a legitimate defense and you guys ignore it and continue to vote.
check my past games fir strong evidence of me not always voting people when i think they are scum. its just something i do and i do it quite a bit as town.
i do think bolly is likely scum so i guess vote bolly couldnt hurt.
im starting to think mirdini is just overzealous town. but gee whiz the have to be at least 2-3 scum on my wagon because most of the reasons have been explained and people are still piling on...
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the vote on bolly for using the sample role pm still makes sense to me because i would think people would reference their own pm but not outright quote it. i suppose the sample one is more convinient i i just remember people normally using their own and not the sample one but i guess that part of the meta phased out.
as for fence sitting lack of conviction and voting to many people... first of all some of those contradict each other, second of all i usually exhibit one if not all of those behaviors as town. i believe you read up on enough of my old games to realize that i seem a lot scummier than i am.
you are a better player than this dude, why are you making cataclysmically bad calls?
the vote on bolly for using the sample role pm still makes sense to me because i would think people would reference their own pm but not outright quote it. i suppose the sample one is more convinient i i just remember people normally using their own and not the sample one but i guess that part of the meta phased out.
as for fence sitting lack of conviction and voting to many people... first of all some of those contradict each other, second of all i usually exhibit one if not all of those behaviors as town. i believe you read up on enough of my old games to realize that i seem a lot scummier than i am.
you are a better player than this dude, why are you making cataclysmically bad calls?
Hrgle
Meta is a thing but it is a thing that you really cannot ever employ in your own defense without it being piles of wine.
Unrelatedly: PI you've spent most of the day commenting on your third party deal but not a huge amount on the game. There's a bunch of people out to have opinions on right now what are you thinking?
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If you did I've managed to miss it in my rushed catchup, what defense was this? Was it the thing about the role PM?
Hrgle
Meta is a thing but it is a thing that you really cannot ever employ in your own defense without it being piles of wine.
Unrelatedly: PI you've spent most of the day commenting on your third party deal but not a huge amount on the game. There's a bunch of people out to have opinions on right now what are you thinking?
i also explained my vote on mirdini and how i thought i screwed up. which no one really commented on.
as for fence sitting lack of conviction and voting to many people... first of all some of those contradict each other, second of all i usually exhibit one if not all of those behaviors as town. i believe you read up on enough of my old games to realize that i seem a lot scummier than i am.
How do those contradict each other? Also, if I can't stop my own lynch with self-meta defense, you can't, either.
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you are a better player than this dude, why are you making cataclysmically bad calls?
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Thank you for placing as many errors in this potential lynch on us. While we value your feedback, I am afraid that Pity Parties are on Fridays only. Retribution will be accepted in the form of hunting for scum, accepting the votes are on you for a reason that you have not reasonably defended against, or cash. We thank you for calling SolCo Hunting Co, have a good day!
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lack of conviction seems to contradict voting too many players but i think i see now how you are putting so i guess they dont contradict. didnt realize you meant lack of conviction for one player.
I will say that it seem like you are full of crap and catagorically wrong. I voted two players this whole game? how many scum do you think there are?
Thank you for placing as many errors in this potential lynch on us. While we value your feedback, I am afraid that Pity Parties are on Fridays only. Retribution will be accepted in the form of hunting for scum, accepting the votes are on you for a reason that you have not reasonably defended against, or cash. We thank you for calling SolCo Hunting Co, have a good day!
i apologize for my exaggerations. Im not actually being sincere on those claims. I have a catastophic psuedo post restriction
If this thread didn't move so fast, or if I had voted before catching up, I probably would have been the first vote (and boy do I wish I was).
But are you seriously calling me out for bandwagoning when there are several others who are being very vague and trying to distance themselves from their votes?
IMO your vote is something to be proud of if you're town. One of the easiest ways to catch inexperienced scum is to see how much they like their own vote.
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But are you seriously calling me out for bandwagoning when there are several others who are being very vague and trying to distance themselves from their votes?
Ok checking in and this thread exploded. Almost 300 posts in one day.
Re: Chocolate Pi claim, the best way for him to play the game is to set about wounding as many people as possible, never double wounding to vig that way he has the most chance of hitting is win condition.
If he manages to hit all the mafia it means both win conditions are active, his town aligned win-con doesn't suddenly turn off so it really depends on the game state which side it is advantegeous for him to side with at that point, meaning leaving Pi alone is the right play.
What I didn't like was a bear reaction to people discussing a claim, it is never the wrong action to discuss a claim. The post about wine everwhere really rubbed me the wrong way.
oh man, i just read all of arn;s posts
he is so scum. he reads like he's scratch-hunting, if you are a person who know what that means.
(it means a person who is scum and knows that they're in a game with a third party, and want to lynch them because it's a mislynch that benefits town so town will help them do it. and some town even give them town points for this! and then they are all smug and winning.)
vote arnnaria
I agree that gunning for the claimed neutral is the wrong move but I can understand why people made that move due to the wins with scum wincon. The potential for the role to turn down the track is there but I think those in the lynch the neutral camp overevaluated that risk. That said, this vote feels like a stretch, a neutral lynch doesn't benfit town, it just doesn't harm it. Also the emphasis "so scum" feels forced, this looked like you pushing a vote you don't believe in. With that in mind
Vote: A Bear
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Ok checking in and this thread exploded. Almost 300 posts in one day.
Re: Chocolate Pi claim, the best way for him to play the game is to set about wounding as many people as possible, never double wounding to vig that way he has the most chance of hitting is win condition.
If he manages to hit all the mafia it means both win conditions are active, his town aligned win-con doesn't suddenly turn off so it really depends on the game state which side it is advantegeous for him to side with at that point, meaning leaving Pi alone is the right play.
What I didn't like was a bear reaction to people discussing a claim, it is never the wrong action to discuss a claim. The post about wine everwhere really rubbed me the wrong way.
I agree that gunning for the claimed neutral is the wrong move but I can understand why people made that move due to the wins with scum wincon. The potential for the role to turn down the track is there but I think those in the lynch the neutral camp overevaluated that risk. That said, this vote feels like a stretch, a neutral lynch doesn't benfit town, it just doesn't harm it. Also the emphasis "so scum" feels forced, this looked like you pushing a vote you don't believe in. With that in mind
Vote: A Bear
I could really care less about his "wins with Scum" condition. I believe the scenarios laid out are very specific and I hope the Town is logical enough to not get to that point.
What I do care about is the fact that he has the words "Serial Killer" in his role name. Serial Killer is not good for the town.
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I could really care less about his "wins with Scum" condition. I believe the scenarios laid out are very specific and I hope the Town is logical enough to not get to that point.
What I do care about is the fact that he has the words "Serial Killer" in his role name. Serial Killer is not good for the town.
out of all the reasons to be wary of choco pi this is by far the absolute worst.
like just catagorically bad.
the mod has made it completely clear he had taken precations to avoid flavor and mod gaming. please dont do it.
So, you're saying if someone claims Serial Killer it doesn't raise any alarm bells?
he claimed the role name serial killer. If he were the actual serial killer wouldnt he just lie? This seems more like one of the precautions the mod was talking about as opposed to anything that matters.
As stated before this is catagorically the worst argument against Choco pi. There may be some arguments against him this is not one of them.
he claimed the role name serial killer. If he were the actual serial killer wouldnt he just lie? This seems more like one of the precautions the mod was talking about as opposed to anything that matters.
As stated before this is catagorically the worst argument against Choco pi. There may be some arguments against him this is not one of them.
Oh yeah uh good luck if you're actually trying to read that cluster****.
I stopped paying attention late into day 1.
Anyways, do I really need to do this just to prove a silly point?
I mean, even if I do find all my old games, that isn't going to change anything, is it?
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It took awhile thanks to re-reads, but here's my question wall!
And not one of them is about me. Let's catch some scum up in here.
The Cold Monarch - You haven't posted yet. (not really anyway)
EronTheRelentless - Your vote is on Mirdini (as is mine), but what do you think of poggy's floundering?
Vishamon - You haven't posted yet.
Iso - Who do you see in a hypothetical Arnnaria mafia?
Atogaholic - You haven't posted yet.
SciSolaris - Okay I'll bite; who do you see in a poggy coven? (Doesn't have to be full.)
Acionyx - Before this stretch you picked a fight with Bolly, at least that's how it seemed to me. Has your opinion of Bolly changed any?
Bolly - You have the second-highest number of posts. Would you describe yourself as a town leader?
A Bear - I feel like you've been more meta-critical than critical. What do you think of killjoy and Iso?
Arnnaria - If you were mafia, which two players here would you *least* like to be on a team with, based exclusively on posts so far this game? (Note: If you are mafia, please restrict your answers to your actual fellow team--thanks.)
Laset - Which NON-POGGY-RELATED vote (to or from) has made you hrgh the most so far?
kill-joy - I'm curious about what you're curious about. Can you ask Laset, Mirdini, or PrimeIntellect a question?
Vitek - Your single post culminated in a vote on PrimeIntellect, who has posted a lot less-RVS style stuff since. Has your gut impression (of his gut impression) evolved, or no?
Voxxicus - This post asked about Bolly, Arnnaria, and Kill-joy specifically; why those 3?
Chocolate Pi - Why is your role so bad?
Wrath of DoG - You haven't posted yet.
Deaths Vampire - Arnnaria has the most posts, while you have 1. What is your read on the guy?
Dark Shadow - Your only post was one of those third-party boogeyman posts--care to comment on... anything else? The poggy situation, or the latest Arnnaria dynamics?
Mirdini - Who do you think would be the most likely covenmate for A Bear?
Prime Intellect - You just avoided Vox's question (or rather calling out) with the grace and subtlety of a legless flamingo. Can we try that again?
Niv - You haven't posted yet.
jdisawesomesauce - Oh, you posted while this was in progress. I think you have an interesting/unexpected vote; care to support it any more than you already did?
MzztrTetris - You haven't posted yet. (for all intents and purposes)
poggydude - I don't think you can claim "pseudo-post-restriction" without proceeding to a full claim. Do you plan on doing that, or just wasting town's time?
People who haven't posted (6 people!) maybe should!
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If I were mafia, I'd least happy to be on a team with Bolly and Poggydude.
Bolly because he gets jittery and loses his cool way too easily. Which is what I did before I played some Basics with a mentor. I'd always get to L-2, be forced to claim, and then relaxed Arn would come out because I had nothing left to hide.
Poggydude is the opposite of Bolly. He's revealing too little. I didn't even need to be told what his post restriction / character was because he's trying way too hard to keep it under wraps. I pretty much had the hunch when he was acting all weird during RVS. But, it kinda makes sense now. If he just revealed he wouldn't have to hide as much. He accuses me of flavor gaming but is reluctant to reveal his role because he's gonna get flavor gamed.
It took awhile thanks to re-reads, but here's my question wall!
jdisawesomesauce - Oh, you posted while this was in progress. I think you have an interesting/unexpected vote; care to support it any more than you already did?
People who haven't posted (6 people!) maybe should!
It has been one day since the game began, a game that took a long time to start and then has exploded with content.
Regarding the vote I'll post more support later, at work currently.
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as stated above i think mirdini and i both went over the top trying to catch scum among the choco pi claim.
i am thinking that neither of our ways to handle it are strictly best(and even mird acknowledged that a N1 vig might not be the best. I think the real scum are lurking in both wagons and i think itd be best to analyze those(hopefully someone better than me can do this as im not very good at deep analysis)
speaking of people who seem to be scum hopping on the wagon for an easy town lynch... bolly goes straight for my throat for a post i already explained and ignores my defense.
Im not sure about putting my vote back on bolly just yet but he is probably my current candidate.
Also, Iso, why are you voting me then?
No I made a short one after that, which seems to have vanished into the ether. Not much of a loss though--again just saying the Sol was a null read and asking about poggy's history.
I'll write a question-wall later.
These were my initial reasons for voting you and anything else that I've said since then still applies.
Prime Intellect, when are you going to provide examples of your gut ALWAYS being right on Day 1?
Why so self-conscious?
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Partially because I want to see how this Poggy thing plays out. If I feel compelled he's sufficiently scummy, I will vote for him. But, my gut tells me he's nowhere near as scummy as Sol (I.e. my entire case on Sol surrounds ONE post calling out a player with noticeably different meta plays who I too find scummy.). I guess I'm not opting for Sol because while I disagree with how he got there, the end result is something I can agree on.
And if you're going to ask for personal meta analysis of why I feel Poggy is playing. Different game, you're going to have to wait for it to finish before I point it out.
Fixed the typo.
Poggyis acting more scummy than Sol.
While yes, that bighuge post was mostly OH HEY GUYS THIS IS 3P ****, I was in specific noting that I felt that the way that poggy was reacting to it, and to Mirdini was preeeeeeeeeeeeetty bad.
Okay, I'm sorry that I did not jump out and say that I HAVE A DAY COP ON POGGY. No **** there's nothing in the case that CONFIRMS POGGY AS SCUM. I can't do that in the course of a single day.
MetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMetaMeta
Yes. You have it. I get it. Let's move on. "So and so never posts on day one, what is the point of threatening them?" Meta is not some solid and unmovable law, it is a tangible, fluid thing that is only as strong as you let it be! I don't want it to be strong. I want what goes on here to dictate things, not what goes on around.
Yea. There are other things that you can use to go HE IS SCUM. But what do you have to do to lynch a guy? Vote.
PRESUMABLY. If it is lylo, and there are 3 people alive, we know that there is only one scum alive. That's what it does. Now, assuming that we have Pi in the mix, and pump it up to my proposed 5 person lylo, Pi, Two Town, Two Scum. Scum knows that there is only two town alive. Let us also assume, FOR THE SAKE OF EXPLAINING HOW SCUM HAMMERING WORKS, that Pi is not whatever he is but he is a Straight Survivor. Two scum alive. One of them can claim without revealing the other IN THE THREAD. Now, two town have a vote. And the third party can either join them, and risk shenanigans happening in the night. Or he can end the game RIGHT THERE. This is the thought that scum has, they don't need to do it in secret because they can risk it to end the game without bells and whistles, especially if that person was going to be lynched anyway..
There is a very, very small amount of holes that you can't climb out of.
I don't think that you'll find any on day one unless someone's dug all the way to the other side.
I'm illiterate. I just yell things at my stenographer. - Mme Sparklecakes XVII
i make vharactyers happen on kepyord - Wheeeeeeatthins
I give you permission to speculate wildly as to whether this is a hint as to the nature of your collective demise should you do nothing to prevent it. - Marelo
BAD
I'm illiterate. I just yell things at my stenographer. - Mme Sparklecakes XVII
i make vharactyers happen on kepyord - Wheeeeeeatthins
I give you permission to speculate wildly as to whether this is a hint as to the nature of your collective demise should you do nothing to prevent it. - Marelo
I really hope this wasn't you claiming to be the Cop.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vote Poggydude
ISP = Iso
iPad with autocorrect screws me over more often than not.
I play Mafia with someone on another site who has exactly the same problem. More often than not he posts Iso as ISP.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Lol.
Was going to make a joke that him and me were the same person, but too tired to try to be funny.
vote: Poggy.
Bolly being self-concious is also a Thing, as Iso pointed out.
(ps: Hi, Iso. I like your play. Mostly. There are better ways to do catchup posts than quotewalls, but I can't figure out how to explain them right now.)
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Nah, I was just saying that there are not a lot of situations in which someone can be 100% sure they have scum on day one, let alone 24 hours after the game started, which is what I felt that arn wanted from me.
I am pretty sure that I am myself and not secretly anyone else.*
*Any resemblance to other events or locales or persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental.
I'm illiterate. I just yell things at my stenographer. - Mme Sparklecakes XVII
i make vharactyers happen on kepyord - Wheeeeeeatthins
I give you permission to speculate wildly as to whether this is a hint as to the nature of your collective demise should you do nothing to prevent it. - Marelo
check my past games fir strong evidence of me not always voting people when i think they are scum. its just something i do and i do it quite a bit as town.
i do think bolly is likely scum so i guess vote bolly couldnt hurt.
im starting to think mirdini is just overzealous town. but gee whiz the have to be at least 2-3 scum on my wagon because most of the reasons have been explained and people are still piling on...
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
as for fence sitting lack of conviction and voting to many people... first of all some of those contradict each other, second of all i usually exhibit one if not all of those behaviors as town. i believe you read up on enough of my old games to realize that i seem a lot scummier than i am.
you are a better player than this dude, why are you making cataclysmically bad calls?
I guess you could be a neutral, in which case it'd be cataclysmic for you.
but come on. day one mislynches happen.
the only time a mislynch is cataclysmic is at lylo/mylo, when it means scum win outright.
If you did I've managed to miss it in my rushed catchup, what defense was this? Was it the thing about the role PM?
Hrgle
Meta is a thing but it is a thing that you really cannot ever employ in your own defense without it being piles of wine.
Unrelatedly: PI you've spent most of the day commenting on your third party deal but not a huge amount on the game. There's a bunch of people out to have opinions on right now what are you thinking?
cataclysimic as definied by me: kinda bad
i also explained my vote on mirdini and how i thought i screwed up. which no one really commented on.
you guys are making me want to drown a cat
How do those contradict each other? Also, if I can't stop my own lynch with self-meta defense, you can't, either.
How cute. Appeal to attacker.
good definition
And I continue to like Laset.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Thank you for placing as many errors in this potential lynch on us. While we value your feedback, I am afraid that Pity Parties are on Fridays only. Retribution will be accepted in the form of hunting for scum, accepting the votes are on you for a reason that you have not reasonably defended against, or cash. We thank you for calling SolCo Hunting Co, have a good day!
I'm illiterate. I just yell things at my stenographer. - Mme Sparklecakes XVII
i make vharactyers happen on kepyord - Wheeeeeeatthins
I give you permission to speculate wildly as to whether this is a hint as to the nature of your collective demise should you do nothing to prevent it. - Marelo
I will say that it seem like you are full of crap and catagorically wrong. I voted two players this whole game? how many scum do you think there are?
i apologize for my exaggerations. Im not actually being sincere on those claims. I have a catastophic psuedo post restriction
But are you seriously calling me out for bandwagoning when there are several others who are being very vague and trying to distance themselves from their votes?
IMO your vote is something to be proud of if you're town. One of the easiest ways to catch inexperienced scum is to see how much they like their own vote.
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Name them, reference the posts.
i will let the cat out of the bag when the time calls for it.
Didn't you read the thread?
I'm not exactly the quotewall type.
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Re: Chocolate Pi claim, the best way for him to play the game is to set about wounding as many people as possible, never double wounding to vig that way he has the most chance of hitting is win condition.
If he manages to hit all the mafia it means both win conditions are active, his town aligned win-con doesn't suddenly turn off so it really depends on the game state which side it is advantegeous for him to side with at that point, meaning leaving Pi alone is the right play.
What I didn't like was a bear reaction to people discussing a claim, it is never the wrong action to discuss a claim. The post about wine everwhere really rubbed me the wrong way.
I agree that gunning for the claimed neutral is the wrong move but I can understand why people made that move due to the wins with scum wincon. The potential for the role to turn down the track is there but I think those in the lynch the neutral camp overevaluated that risk. That said, this vote feels like a stretch, a neutral lynch doesn't benfit town, it just doesn't harm it. Also the emphasis "so scum" feels forced, this looked like you pushing a vote you don't believe in. With that in mind
Vote: A Bear
I could really care less about his "wins with Scum" condition. I believe the scenarios laid out are very specific and I hope the Town is logical enough to not get to that point.
What I do care about is the fact that he has the words "Serial Killer" in his role name. Serial Killer is not good for the town.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
out of all the reasons to be wary of choco pi this is by far the absolute worst.
like just catagorically bad.
the mod has made it completely clear he had taken precations to avoid flavor and mod gaming. please dont do it.
So, you're saying if someone claims Serial Killer it doesn't raise any alarm bells?
he claimed the role name serial killer. If he were the actual serial killer wouldnt he just lie? This seems more like one of the precautions the mod was talking about as opposed to anything that matters.
As stated before this is catagorically the worst argument against Choco pi. There may be some arguments against him this is not one of them.
If you say so...
I was on one scum faction, so you can't really use the whole "it was just dumb luck since there was so much scum in that game" bit.
I'll keep digging around in my past games (I don't keep a list of what I've played, so I'm trying to remember what games I've been in).
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I stopped paying attention late into day 1.
Anyways, do I really need to do this just to prove a silly point?
I mean, even if I do find all my old games, that isn't going to change anything, is it?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And not one of them is about me. Let's catch some scum up in here.
The Cold Monarch - You haven't posted yet. (not really anyway)
EronTheRelentless - Your vote is on Mirdini (as is mine), but what do you think of poggy's floundering?
Vishamon - You haven't posted yet.
Iso - Who do you see in a hypothetical Arnnaria mafia?
Atogaholic - You haven't posted yet.
SciSolaris - Okay I'll bite; who do you see in a poggy coven? (Doesn't have to be full.)
Acionyx - Before this stretch you picked a fight with Bolly, at least that's how it seemed to me. Has your opinion of Bolly changed any?
Bolly - You have the second-highest number of posts. Would you describe yourself as a town leader?
A Bear - I feel like you've been more meta-critical than critical. What do you think of killjoy and Iso?
Arnnaria - If you were mafia, which two players here would you *least* like to be on a team with, based exclusively on posts so far this game? (Note: If you are mafia, please restrict your answers to your actual fellow team--thanks.)
Laset - Which NON-POGGY-RELATED vote (to or from) has made you hrgh the most so far?
kill-joy - I'm curious about what you're curious about. Can you ask Laset, Mirdini, or PrimeIntellect a question?
Vitek - Your single post culminated in a vote on PrimeIntellect, who has posted a lot less-RVS style stuff since. Has your gut impression (of his gut impression) evolved, or no?
Voxxicus - This post asked about Bolly, Arnnaria, and Kill-joy specifically; why those 3?
Chocolate Pi - Why is your role so bad?
Wrath of DoG - You haven't posted yet.
Deaths Vampire - Arnnaria has the most posts, while you have 1. What is your read on the guy?
Dark Shadow - Your only post was one of those third-party boogeyman posts--care to comment on... anything else? The poggy situation, or the latest Arnnaria dynamics?
Mirdini - Who do you think would be the most likely covenmate for A Bear?
Prime Intellect - You just avoided Vox's question (or rather calling out) with the grace and subtlety of a legless flamingo. Can we try that again?
Niv - You haven't posted yet.
jdisawesomesauce - Oh, you posted while this was in progress. I think you have an interesting/unexpected vote; care to support it any more than you already did?
MzztrTetris - You haven't posted yet. (for all intents and purposes)
poggydude - I don't think you can claim "pseudo-post-restriction" without proceeding to a full claim. Do you plan on doing that, or just wasting town's time?
People who haven't posted (6 people!) maybe should!
Choco, I'll answer your question if Arnnaria flips scum.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This is what a good answer looks like.
Not sure if deliberate or accident, but it's hngh either way. if deliberate: needs to die. if accident: needs to be fishslapped.
Bolly because he gets jittery and loses his cool way too easily. Which is what I did before I played some Basics with a mentor. I'd always get to L-2, be forced to claim, and then relaxed Arn would come out because I had nothing left to hide.
Poggydude is the opposite of Bolly. He's revealing too little. I didn't even need to be told what his post restriction / character was because he's trying way too hard to keep it under wraps. I pretty much had the hunch when he was acting all weird during RVS. But, it kinda makes sense now. If he just revealed he wouldn't have to hide as much. He accuses me of flavor gaming but is reluctant to reveal his role because he's gonna get flavor gamed.
It has been one day since the game began, a game that took a long time to start and then has exploded with content.
Regarding the vote I'll post more support later, at work currently.