Not done reviewing yet. About a page and a half to go with 60 PPP. Just wanted to throw this out there first. Will probably adjust things once I get done, especially if what I'm about to note has already been addressed.
If scum got the dark cult (which I see no reason for anyone to do) and the person who has the cop investigation gets no results I would believe the person scanned was scum (as long as the person who got the cop shot I believed to be town).
*starts to panic at all the WIFOM thoughts swirling*
This is an interesting idea. Town doesn't have much use for the Dark Cult. I think the idea of anybody getting caught using the cult is obvscum is interesting. If scum tried to claim having the cop investigation and say their target must have used the Dark Cult that would be a one-for-one trade.
What is scummy about attempting to enlighten allies to the most efficient use of currency? I am interested in winning this game. I want my team mates to play as flawlessly as possible.
I've never really seen a townie refer to the rest of the town as "team mates." Scum, however...
One last thing about the Courier Post. @Mod: Do we PM the Courier Post or do we post in thread?
I came across Caex saying that we PM but the ability itself is unclear. I can't imagine it's post in thread, but just to be sure.
Iso - Post 16
Lays out a really complicated plan. Then he backpedals and says he’s not ready to do it yet. Then why give the scum your plan? As for Iso claiming that he needs coins because he plays vanilla badly: he knew the setup of the game. He signed up for it. This is a poor excuse for his argument to give him coins.
I didn't see the setup anywhere in the sign-ups. I just wanted to play in a Dagger game. And I never said I play Vanilla badly. Plus it's not backpedaling to say "it's possible that we can do X later."
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Albus - Post 102
“You’re wrong Albus. But, I concur with you that Iso is scum. Because of evidence that I have that I won’t reveal. I guess I’ll vote for him even though he’s at L-2.” Scum. Scum. Scum.
You mean "You're wrong Caex"?
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Emo - Post 111
Emo defends Iso. This is especially noteworthy because Caex’s whole case was Iso trying to get Emo to spill her guts.
E_P is a guy.
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Artifice - Post 133
Artifice brings up the coins. This is the first time the coins have been brought up in a couple of pages. I agree that it’s the best thing against Iso, but Artifice refuses to acknowledge Caex and Albus’s case. Why? Because it’s full of holes. He also brings up “echoes of the past” but then refuses to tell us what they are. So essentially, he’s voting Iso for asking for coins and not addressing the rest of his case. Seems solid to me.
Was that last line sarcastic? If not, please explain to me how it's scummy for me to ask for coins.
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Caex - Post 147
Caex has a vote. Let me repeat that: At this stage of the game, Caex has not put a vote on anyone yet he says this: Double FoS: poggy. Does anybody but me find this odd?
The double FOS, yes. But if you recall, Caex voted for me before.
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Where on earth did you get pinky being town from? You made two comments about her on your re-read and none of them have any semblance of relating to her alliance at all. Please explain your read.
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I’d vote for Albus, but I don’t want a quick hammer before people have a chance to read my post.
What? Then why wouldn't you just wait for people to comment and then putting your vote on Albus later? What's the point of voting for Caex unless you're trying to move the pressure off of Albus? And, given that you've said you think he's scum...why would you do that?
I really don't understand your case on Caex, and how that makes him a legitimate vote option over Albus, given that there's far more against Albus.
This is an interesting idea. Town doesn't have much use for the Dark Cult. I think the idea of anybody getting caught using the cult is obvscum is interesting. If scum tried to claim having the cop investigation and say their target must have used the Dark Cult that would be a one-for-one trade.
I would personally use Dark Cult if I thought I was in danger of being Nightkilled.
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Heh. I considered submitting "lady" pregame and roleplaying, but then I remembered I random into female roles more often than the average bear and scrapped the idea.
@Arnn: I presume the titles are why you skipped your usual gender pronoun question?
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I didn't see the setup anywhere in the sign-ups. I just wanted to play in a Dagger game. And I never said I play Vanilla badly. Plus it's not backpedaling to say "it's possible that we can do X later."
Okay, that's fair.
You mean "You're wrong Caex"?
Yes.
E_P is a guy.
Not in this game.
Was that last line sarcastic? If not, please explain to me how it's scummy for me to ask for coins.
The last line was sarcastic. It is nowhere near solid.
The double FOS, yes. But if you recall, Caex voted for me before.
But he had no current vote on you when he did the Double FOS. His vote was on nobody.
Where on earth did you get pinky being town from? You made two comments about her on your re-read and none of them have any semblance of relating to her alliance at all. Please explain your read.
My reads were from the general feel I got from reading the game. I was trying to cut the crap out and just comment on the major stuff. Pinky read town for me, and I didn't think I needed to elaborate on her posts.
What? Then why wouldn't you just wait for people to comment and then putting your vote on Albus later? What's the point of voting for Caex unless you're trying to move the pressure off of Albus? And, given that you've said you think he's scum...why would you do that?
My vote is a statement that I think Caex is scum. Albus is also scum, but I was afraid to set him up for a hammer. So instead, I voted for the second person I thought was scum.
I really don't understand your case on Caex, and how that makes him a legitimate vote option over Albus, given that there's far more against Albus.
If everyone has no objections to lynching Albus, I'm for it. I was waiting to hear the objections to my post before I voted for Albus.
Heh. I considered submitting "lady" pregame and roleplaying, but then I remembered I random into female roles more often than the average bear and scrapped the idea.
@Arnn: I presume the titles are why you skipped your usual gender pronoun question?
Yeah Artifice, basically. I thought we all picked our RL genders. So I didn't think the question was necessary. Plus, I was doing it in the past because I didn't know people's genders. Now that I have a good feeling for it, I don't find it necessary to ask.
I'm pretty sure the last time Iso was attacked this way was Voyager. But, that was a crazy cult gamble. Iso could have been lucky enough to gain two coins, put in his bid first at the vig house, and gambitted asking for coins to see who he wants to shoot tonight. Or Iso is just being Iso.
I still think what Iso did was the proper play...after day three or so when there was more proof other than his word that he was Town.
I'm pretty certain Iso was more attacked in Voyager because he was being useless and just floating. I don't remember for sure and researching is not going to happen till after the 23rd of July.
This action for this game is more gambit and bad comments from Iso that reminds me of Flame Warriors and a bit of Mean Girls.
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RE: Your vote: But why couldn't you just express suspicion, then? It feels to me like you're trying way too hard not to FoS someone after you just called someone else out for FoSing. Which bothers me, because it's most certainly a different context.
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RE: Your vote: But why couldn't you just express suspicion, then? It feels to me like you're trying way too hard not to FoS someone after you just called someone else out for FoSing. Which bothers me, because it's most certainly a different context.
No, I think giving coins to a power player after they've proven themselves town through successful lynches and solid reasoning is a fine play. If you demonstrate this, I'd be more than willing to fill your war chest. I just find it scummy on Day One with nothing to substantiate. Ask again after you lynch scum and I'd be all for it.
I'm pretty certain Iso was more attacked in Voyager because he was being useless and just floating. I don't remember for sure and researching is not going to happen till after the 23rd of July.
This action for this game is more gambit and bad comments from Iso that reminds me of Flame Warriors and a bit of Mean Girls.
Then you didn't read the cult quick topic after the game was over. He claimed "the doctor" so he would be counter claimed and turn the real doctor into Borg queen. Everything was planned out.
RE: Your vote: But why couldn't you just express suspicion, then? It feels to me like you're trying way too hard not to FoS someone after you just called someone else out for FoSing. Which bothers me, because it's most certainly a different context.
Because I thought ending a game summarizing post without a vote would leave something to be desired.
You know my game, Iso. How many walls of text have you seen from me?
Then you didn't read the cult quick topic after the game was over. He claimed "the doctor" so he would be counter claimed and turn the real doctor into Borg queen. Everything was planned out.
Instead of using the provided falseclaim of Chakotay, I decided to falseclaim Doctor because I knew if there was an anti-Borg role that Doctor would have it.
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Because I knew every comment I made about every player was going to be scrutinized beyond belief. And nobody had made the case for Caex yet and I was curious to see if anyone followed my reasoning.
I'm still waiting for a response from the person who requested my scum list...
Archmage Eternal - Post 171 “I don't like the fencesitting. Waiting back and not taking a stance.” Do you not like lurking either? Because from what I can tell so far in this game, you are fence sitting and waiting back and not taking a stance.
Learn the term fencesitting before you attempt to use it. See vote count for my stance.
@Shark: Have you played a completed mafia game somewhere?
Played on Mafiascum for about a year. Most of them were replace-ins into larger games (mostly unique setups). Played a lot of IRC mafia (different but still experience).Then took a hiatus for about a year. Picking it back up here recently. No completed games yet. So if I do seem a bit novice, then you could blame the time off, but I try not to let that be an issue here.
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As I am currently an intoxicated person, I would like to congratulate Arnnaria for being the first person to ever vote me in a mafia game. Admittedly I've only played in one other mafia game, but I think it's a pretty big achevement to not have been voted one single time that whole game. And I was scum! So, my hat is off to Arnnaria for breaking my streak.
To add some actual content to that mass of rambly words, I would also like to get some other people's opinion on my post regarding, and subsecquent vote on, SharkFinningan. ArchmageEternal, I would assume, agrees with my reasoning or at least dislikes SharkFinigan's posts enough to vote with me, but I'd like to know what other people are thinking as well.
You claim your top suspects are me and Albus. You criticize my vote on Albus and are voting me. Wouldn't that make Albus town in that case, or at the very least leaning town?
You seem to have a backup plan in case you fail to lynch or mislynch me.
I dont like that.
This is a bad post, I think. He makes a bad argument about my valid reasons for criticizing his vote on Albus, and implies that me having two major scum candidates is somehow scummy in itself. Twists it into "backup plan" instead of what it really is: two people being my top suspects. Obviously I've got to choose one of them, and an opportunistic vote on the top scum candidate pushed me toward SharkFinnigan. Seems like Shark is reaching pretty hard here.
Also, might I point out how excellent my spelling and grammar are for a person of the temporarily impared persuasion?
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As I am currently an intoxicated person, I would like to congratulate Arnnaria for being the first person to ever vote me in a mafia game. Admittedly I've only played in one other mafia game, but I think it's a pretty big achevement to not have been voted one single time that whole game. And I was scum! So, my hat is off to Arnnaria for breaking my streak.
Congrats on the intoxication.
Actually, if you were scum your very first game and NOBODY put a vote on you at all, that is an interesting streak.
Was this mafia game on this website? Can we mine it for data? LOL.
@Artifice: Whom besides Iso is on your scum list and why?
poggy, with a dash of those not posting much, and mostly Iso. I feel like Iso was requesting coins which fits when he is scummiest to me: when he is brazen in his game moves, and poggy's push for a "mass claim" of the only hidden info in the game reads more like fishing the more I've thought about it the last couple of days. Presuming they are 2/3 of the scum team, since their behaviour dovetails, the last is probably a lurker/low poster
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Actually, if you were scum your very first game and NOBODY put a vote on you at all, that is an interesting streak.
Was this mafia game on this website? Can we mine it for data? LOL.
If you want. It was Simpsons Mafia. Four or five years ago, I think? Very long time. Good luck mining for data through the wall of newbiness.
@Art: Have you ever seen Iso do something similar to the coin thing? I don't see it as a tell, but if you could point me to a time when Iso was doing something like it as scum I'd like to read about it.
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Actually, I can tell you of a time when I did it as town when Arti was present. In Seasons Mafia there was a mechanic involving a Clock. Well it just so happened that my ability was not unlockable without the Clock moving a lot. First thing that I did when I replaced in was that everyone move the Clock with their abilities as much as possible. However, I can also cite two more examples of this - once as town and once as scum. In Cyan's Impossible Mafia, I pushed for a Day 2 massclaim because I had an ability that could remove a person's ability as long as I could openly quote their claim and used a certain phrase following the quote. The other example was at MafiaScum, and it was a Mini called Emotions Mafia. I asked for everyone to vote me and then unvote me to help me unlock my abilities as soon as I replaced in. I cleaned house and singlehandedly won the game for my team.
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This is a bad post, I think. He makes a bad argument about my valid reasons for criticizing his vote on Albus, and implies that me having two major scum candidates is somehow scummy in itself. Twists it into "backup plan" instead of what it really is: two people being my top suspects. Obviously I've got to choose one of them, and an opportunistic vote on the top scum candidate pushed me toward SharkFinnigan. Seems like Shark is reaching pretty hard here.
Or is he just thinking wrongly?
I think it's just a matter of him thinking an incorrect thought innocently than trying to push for your lynch based on that.
Shark has not done anything to set off my scumdar.
Hm, alright. Do you at least think I'm not being as overzealous as I was earlier and I'm making more reasonable arguments this time around? <<< Honest question. I'm looking to improve my game and I'd like to know if I'm getting better or not.
I think it's just a matter of him thinking an incorrect thought innocently than trying to push for your lynch based on that.
I dunno. He's got a year of experience playing mafia. I'd think in that time he would have run into a situation where someone doesn't like a vote he placed and pressured him about it, no matter what the opinion of the target of his vote generally was.
Not liking a specific action =/= defending the target of said action. That can't be a terribly uncommon situation to happen in mafia, can it?
Like I said, it just feels like Shark is flailing to me. I'm interested in hearing from ArchmageEternal on the subject, as he's currently the other person voting Shark.
That out of the way, I'll say this generally: It's going to take a lot for me to take my vote off Shark. Both my gut and my thinkin' parts are telling me he's scummy.
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Hm, alright. Do you at least think I'm not being as overzealous as I was earlier and I'm making more reasonable arguments this time around? <<< Honest question. I'm looking to improve my game and I'd like to know if I'm getting better or not.
There's nothing wrong with your argumentation against Shark - I just don't consider it very scummy. I have my eye on him but nothing worth pursuing right now IMO.
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That out of the way, I'll say this generally: It's going to take a lot for me to take my vote off Shark. Both my gut and my thinkin' parts are telling me he's scummy.
So...you won't be voting Albus if he's the lynch toDay?
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There's nothing wrong with your argumentation against Shark - I just don't consider it very scummy. I have my eye on him but nothing worth pursuing right now IMO.
Thank you for the feedback.
So...you won't be voting Albus if he's the lynch toDay?
I said it would take a lot, not that I wouldn't be moving my vote no matter what.
I do indeed find Albus scummy, and if the majority of people agree that Albus is the day's lynch I'll vote him. But as of right now I'm convinced Shark is the correct vote, because I find almost all of his content to be suspicious (as I explained when I quoted all of his posts). Albus hasn't pinged my radar as strongly as Shark has.
I will say I'm planning on doing another full reread and/or note update either much later tonight or tomorrow. I got so focused on Shark during my last reread I think I probably wasn't as observant as I should have been regarding my other top suspects.
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Then you didn't read the cult quick topic after the game was over. He claimed "the doctor" so he would be counter claimed and turn the real doctor into Borg queen. Everything was planned out.
mmm voyager all he did was claim a character that was sure to get him lynched and believed it to be an important character that would hurt the borg. That action was more sucide then asking for coins from everyone. You remember Mean Girl where he told everyone to target him during the night? That is what I'm thinking more of with Iso's actions this game.
Played on Mafiascum for about a year. Most of them were replace-ins into larger games (mostly unique setups). Played a lot of IRC mafia (different but still experience).Then took a hiatus for about a year. Picking it back up here recently. No completed games yet. So if I do seem a bit novice, then you could blame the time off, but I try not to let that be an issue here.
I took a year off mafia. That doesn't make you brain dead or really that forgetful on how to scum hunt.
Can I get links to past games?
poggy, with a dash of those not posting much, and mostly Iso. I feel like Iso was requesting coins which fits when he is scummiest to me: when he is brazen in his game moves, and poggy's push for a "mass claim" of the only hidden info in the game reads more like fishing the more I've thought about it the last couple of days. Presuming they are 2/3 of the scum team, since their behaviour dovetails, the last is probably a lurker/low poster
You know you could refer to the game your talking about without links if you know of a game Iso was requesting things as scum. As you read above I just gave an example of Iso town doing request.
@AE: Why are you voting Albus? If you said something early just quote it.
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I'm so glad you are explaining yourself so clearly and being open about your motivations.
Sorry I haven't been very active the last couple of days, things got hectic. I've been slowly working on a theory though. I have come to believe that Iso and Caex are scumbuddies. Iso hasn't done anything to improve his scummyness and continues to be no better than a distraction. Caex is clearly a better player than he is claiming to be. The actual situation in question is thus: Caex pushed hard for Iso's lynch on a bad case, but when others started to vote for Iso as well, Caex immediately backed off. This makes perfect sense as a gambit for Caex to try and distance from Iso. Now, shortly after that, Caex is openly buddying Iso and asking him what to do. The guy he was just voting for is somehow now his adviser. It just doesn't add up. Oh, and one more piece of fun evidence for why Caex is scum:
Hasn't had a chance. You can only bid during night, and if I remember correctly, night 0 was a no-ability night.
What do you mean "if you remember correctly"?! For any townstolk, there is nothing to remember. Night 0 didn't exist, and therefore couldn't possibly have abilities being used. The ONLY people who could have even seen a Night 0 were the scum. You claim you don't remember abilities being used on Night 0, but only scum even experienced Night 0 to remember that. Vote Caex Kothar
Having just re-read Caex Kothar, it's incredibly obvious how hardcore he is trying to protect Iso now. After that initial push to distance himself, now he is all about explaining to everyone why Iso is good. It's a complete 180 from his previous stance with no explanation. I know I said previously that I didn't think they could possibly be scumbuddies, but I believe I was wrong and the new evidence is more telling. (#1 That Caex is a better player than he lets on, and #2 that Caex attacking Iso until Iso hit L-2, then backing off and buddying him seems like a scum gambit.)
If you want. It was Simpsons Mafia. Four or five years ago, I think? Very long time. Good luck mining for data through the wall of newbiness.
Why do you feel the need to obscure your past meta and make sarcastic remarks about how that makes it hard to find information about you? A townstolk should be open and honest, not making comments like "ha ha, you just TRY and find meta information on me!"
P.S. Inb4 Iso says I'm scum with "inside information" because I talked about the scum probably having a Night 0. It's common to give the scum pre-game discussion and Caex is the one openly talking about being around for a Night 0.
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I'm so glad you are explaining yourself so clearly and being open about your motivations.
Sorry I haven't been very active the last couple of days, things got hectic. I've been slowly working on a theory though. I have come to believe that Iso and Caex are scumbuddies. Iso hasn't done anything to improve his scummyness and continues to be no better than a distraction. Caex is clearly a better player than he is claiming to be. The actual situation in question is thus: Caex pushed hard for Iso's lynch on a bad case, but when others started to vote for Iso as well, Caex immediately backed off. This makes perfect sense as a gambit for Caex to try and distance from Iso. Now, shortly after that, Caex is openly buddying Iso and asking him what to do. The guy he was just voting for is somehow now his adviser. It just doesn't add up. Oh, and one more piece of fun evidence for why Caex is scum:
2x the lulz. First, I really am not a better player than I claim to be. I try to be smart about my posting, but as everyone saw with my "case" on Iso I obviously am not as experienced as everyone else here. Really, you're just flailing around for someone to target other than yourself.
2nd, I backed off my case after everyone told me it was ridiculous, and unvoted when I didn't want anyone to be quicklynched. I've already explained this. Now all the sudden you're back to it when you're about to be lynched? What a coincidence.
What do you mean "if you remember correctly"?! For any townstolk, there is nothing to remember. Night 0 didn't exist, and therefore couldn't possibly have abilities being used. The ONLY people who could have even seen a Night 0 were the scum. You claim you don't remember abilities being used on Night 0, but only scum even experienced Night 0 to remember that. Vote Caex Kothar
?? There was indeed a night 0. It was here on the game thread. Said something like "It is now night 0 while I get all the players emblems worked out. This might take a while. If you have night talk you can talk amongst yourselves. No abilities can be used". Something like that.
It vanished when the game started, which is why I said "if I remember correctly".
Having just re-read Caex Kothar, it's incredibly obvious how hardcore he is trying to protect Iso now. After that initial push to distance himself, now he is all about explaining to everyone why Iso is good. It's a complete 180 from his previous stance with no explanation. I know I said previously that I didn't think they could possibly be scumbuddies, but I believe I was wrong and the new evidence is more telling. (#1 That Caex is a better player than he lets on, and #2 that Caex attacking Iso until Iso hit L-2, then backing off and buddying him seems like a scum gambit.)
When did I explain how Iso is good? I asked him to tell me if my case was solid on Shark. Kind of like how I specifically asked two people about my case on Iso at first.
Your #2 point I've already explained. Anybody being quicklynched that soon in the game, whether by mistake or by scum, would be bad. Suddenly when you're at L-2 you're jumping on this? Seems like you're just flailing around for something to latch onto.
Your number one point is just false. I've already explained it. I'm flattered that you're giving me that much credit, but you're wrong.
Last thing:
Why do you feel the need to obscure your past meta and make sarcastic remarks about how that makes it hard to find information about you? A townstolk should be open and honest, not making comments like "ha ha, you just TRY and find meta information on me!"
Because, if you go back and look at Arnnaria's post, it said "Can we mine it for information, LOL".
I figured he was making a joke or at least being light-hearted with his tone, so I did the same back. Simple as that.
Besides, if I didn't want to be open and honest I wouldn't have told anyone what other game I'd been in. But no, instead I'm taunting the town to "just try to read me, you tiny-minded fools muhahahaha". Sorry, I'm not that diabolically egomaniacal.
P.S. Inb4 Iso says I'm scum with "inside information" because I talked about the scum probably having a Night 0. It's common to give the scum pre-game discussion and Caex is the one openly talking about being around for a Night 0.
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You know you could refer to the game your talking about without links if you know of a game Iso was requesting things as scum. As you read above I just gave an example of Iso town d
You ignore brazen scum Iso in Voyager (which was slightly different because as u said he had a "mechanical" reason), but what about StarCraft, Amnesia, and 1984? Also, there is more info which I will give soon.... don't ask.
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mmm voyager all he did was claim a character that was sure to get him lynched and believed it to be an important character that would hurt the borg. That action was more sucide then asking for coins from everyone. You remember Mean Girl where he told everyone to target him during the night? That is what I'm thinking more of with Iso's actions this game.
I replaced out of that game. Did Iso flip town or scum?
According to mafiascum statistics from a large number of games, over 42% of people who accuse a townsfolk of flailing turn out to be scum. If I'm lynched, look into them. 42% chance of catching scum is pretty good.
The united front from Iso and Caex is also unsurprising.
I'll claim when non-scum townsfolk ask me to. If you do decide to lynch me, I request that I be given a chance to post my final town/scum list, reads, and analysis of my own wagon before anyone hammers. Going into Day 2 with a solid set of opinions from a confirmed townsfolk will be a boon to the town. Anyone who hammers me without waiting for that should be considered scum and lynched the next Day.
It basically comes down to this: You can trust Iso to steer you into mislynches repeatedly, or you can have an opinion of your own. The extreme buddying of Caex and Iso is silly. I truly think they are trying to get me lynched because they know I'm right and I'll catch them soon.
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According to mafiascum statistics from a large number of games, over 42% of people who accuse a townsfolk of flailing turn out to be scum. If I'm lynched, look into them. 42% chance of catching scum is pretty good.
The united front from Iso and Caex is also unsurprising.
I'll claim when non-scum townsfolk ask me to. If you do decide to lynch me, I request that I be given a chance to post my final town/scum list, reads, and analysis of my own wagon before anyone hammers. Going into Day 2 with a solid set of opinions from a confirmed townsfolk will be a boon to the town. Anyone who hammers me without waiting for that should be considered scum and lynched the next Day.
It basically comes down to this: You can trust Iso to steer you into mislynches repeatedly, or you can have an opinion of your own. The extreme buddying of Caex and Iso is silly. I truly think they are trying to get me lynched because they know I'm right and I'll catch them soon.
That's not the way it works. You're at L-2. I'm asking you to claim and tell us your reads. If you do not acquiesce, I'll shift my toe and someone will certainly hammer.
You know how games work. You can't save your DS and your face at the same time.
According to mafiascum statistics from a large number of games, over 42% of people who accuse a townsfolk of flailing turn out to be scum. If I'm lynched, look into them. 42% chance of catching scum is pretty good.
Could you provide a link for that? I'd be interested in reading up on mafia statistics.
That said, what you're saying is that less than half of the people who accuse a "townsfolk" of flailing are scum? Does that read to anyone else as trying to twist the statistics to get his detractors lynched?
The united front from Iso and Caex is also unsurprising.
Mhm. Anyone sharing opinions is obv buddying.
I'll claim when non-scum townsfolk ask me to. If you do decide to lynch me, I request that I be given a chance to post my final town/scum list, reads, and analysis of my own wagon before anyone hammers. Going into Day 2 with a solid set of opinions from a confirmed townsfolk will be a boon to the town. Anyone who hammers me without waiting for that should be considered scum and lynched the next Day.
I wonder what the statistics of guilt are for people who refuse to claim?
Your request might seem reasonable, but you could easily use it as an excuse to drag this out for several more days and sow as much confusion as possible.
The real question here is why you would even ask this. I doubt you'd have been lynched until you claimed your coin amount. Why not just do a whole post of analysis at the same time as your claim?
It basically comes down to this: You can trust Iso to steer you into mislynches repeatedly, or you can have an opinion of your own. The extreme buddying of Caex and Iso is silly. I truly think they are trying to get me lynched because they know I'm right and I'll catch them soon.
Translation: If you vote me, you're obviously a sheep.
And for the record, I wasn't trying to get you lynched. I was focused much more on Shark than you.
But now you're just spreading misinformation. Town doesn't do that.
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Artifice, how is falseclaiming comparable to asking for coins? You're not even playing the game at this point and I will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow.
Arn, my Mafia stats are in my sig. I was town in Mean Girls.
Albus, you're really just doing everything you can to detract from me on your way out the door at this point. It's unbecoming and if you were really as townie as you claim to be you would not be in this situation. Also, what the hell is a non-scum townsfolk, besides redundant? How can you have a scum townsfolk?
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I know it's no excuse. I never made it so. I understand how I should be playing. Here's past links in spoilers with quick summaries on play. (Username=SharkFinn)
@pinky's brain: I understand that. Did I ever claim to be? I know it's no excuse for poor play. I know how this all works.
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This is an interesting idea. Town doesn't have much use for the Dark Cult. I think the idea of anybody getting caught using the cult is obvscum is interesting. If scum tried to claim having the cop investigation and say their target must have used the Dark Cult that would be a one-for-one trade.
I've never really seen a townie refer to the rest of the town as "team mates." Scum, however...
One last thing about the Courier Post.
@Mod: Do we PM the Courier Post or do we post in thread?
I came across Caex saying that we PM but the ability itself is unclear. I can't imagine it's post in thread, but just to be sure.
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I didn't see the setup anywhere in the sign-ups. I just wanted to play in a Dagger game. And I never said I play Vanilla badly. Plus it's not backpedaling to say "it's possible that we can do X later."
You mean "You're wrong Caex"?
E_P is a guy.
Was that last line sarcastic? If not, please explain to me how it's scummy for me to ask for coins.
The double FOS, yes. But if you recall, Caex voted for me before.
Where on earth did you get pinky being town from? You made two comments about her on your re-read and none of them have any semblance of relating to her alliance at all. Please explain your read.
What? Then why wouldn't you just wait for people to comment and then putting your vote on Albus later? What's the point of voting for Caex unless you're trying to move the pressure off of Albus? And, given that you've said you think he's scum...why would you do that?
I really don't understand your case on Caex, and how that makes him a legitimate vote option over Albus, given that there's far more against Albus.
Hi Nis.
I would personally use Dark Cult if I thought I was in danger of being Nightkilled.
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Heh. I considered submitting "lady" pregame and roleplaying, but then I remembered I random into female roles more often than the average bear and scrapped the idea.
@Arnn: I presume the titles are why you skipped your usual gender pronoun question?
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Yeah Artifice, basically. I thought we all picked our RL genders. So I didn't think the question was necessary. Plus, I was doing it in the past because I didn't know people's genders. Now that I have a good feeling for it, I don't find it necessary to ask.
I'm pretty certain Iso was more attacked in Voyager because he was being useless and just floating. I don't remember for sure and researching is not going to happen till after the 23rd of July.
This action for this game is more gambit and bad comments from Iso that reminds me of Flame Warriors and a bit of Mean Girls.
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@Arn:
So why is it scummy for me to ask for coins?
RE: pinky: Fine.
RE: Your vote: But why couldn't you just express suspicion, then? It feels to me like you're trying way too hard not to FoS someone after you just called someone else out for FoSing. Which bothers me, because it's most certainly a different context.
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@Shark: Have you played a completed mafia game somewhere?
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No, I think giving coins to a power player after they've proven themselves town through successful lynches and solid reasoning is a fine play. If you demonstrate this, I'd be more than willing to fill your war chest. I just find it scummy on Day One with nothing to substantiate. Ask again after you lynch scum and I'd be all for it.
Then you didn't read the cult quick topic after the game was over. He claimed "the doctor" so he would be counter claimed and turn the real doctor into Borg queen. Everything was planned out.
Because I thought ending a game summarizing post without a vote would leave something to be desired.
You know my game, Iso. How many walls of text have you seen from me?
Instead of using the provided falseclaim of Chakotay, I decided to falseclaim Doctor because I knew if there was an anti-Borg role that Doctor would have it.
Why so self-conscious, then?
And not enough, apparently.
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Because I knew every comment I made about every player was going to be scrutinized beyond belief. And nobody had made the case for Caex yet and I was curious to see if anyone followed my reasoning.
I'm still waiting for a response from the person who requested my scum list...
Learn the term fencesitting before you attempt to use it. See vote count for my stance.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I apologize Archmage. I didn't pay attention to the vote counts as much.
But do you deny that you weren't lurking?
Never denied that. But that had nothing to do with your argument of me fencesitting.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
If I could edit it out I would. You called me on my mistake and I'm owning up to it. Sorry, AE.
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Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
To add some actual content to that mass of rambly words, I would also like to get some other people's opinion on my post regarding, and subsecquent vote on, SharkFinningan. ArchmageEternal, I would assume, agrees with my reasoning or at least dislikes SharkFinigan's posts enough to vote with me, but I'd like to know what other people are thinking as well.
Also, does anyone else find this post suspicious?
This is a bad post, I think. He makes a bad argument about my valid reasons for criticizing his vote on Albus, and implies that me having two major scum candidates is somehow scummy in itself. Twists it into "backup plan" instead of what it really is: two people being my top suspects. Obviously I've got to choose one of them, and an opportunistic vote on the top scum candidate pushed me toward SharkFinnigan. Seems like Shark is reaching pretty hard here.
Also, might I point out how excellent my spelling and grammar are for a person of the temporarily impared persuasion?
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Congrats on the intoxication.
Actually, if you were scum your very first game and NOBODY put a vote on you at all, that is an interesting streak.
Was this mafia game on this website? Can we mine it for data? LOL.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If you want. It was Simpsons Mafia. Four or five years ago, I think? Very long time. Good luck mining for data through the wall of newbiness.
@Art: Have you ever seen Iso do something similar to the coin thing? I don't see it as a tell, but if you could point me to a time when Iso was doing something like it as scum I'd like to read about it.
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But yeah no idea what Art is referring to.
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I think it's just a matter of him thinking an incorrect thought innocently than trying to push for your lynch based on that.
Hm, alright. Do you at least think I'm not being as overzealous as I was earlier and I'm making more reasonable arguments this time around? <<< Honest question. I'm looking to improve my game and I'd like to know if I'm getting better or not.
I dunno. He's got a year of experience playing mafia. I'd think in that time he would have run into a situation where someone doesn't like a vote he placed and pressured him about it, no matter what the opinion of the target of his vote generally was.
Not liking a specific action =/= defending the target of said action. That can't be a terribly uncommon situation to happen in mafia, can it?
Like I said, it just feels like Shark is flailing to me. I'm interested in hearing from ArchmageEternal on the subject, as he's currently the other person voting Shark.
That out of the way, I'll say this generally: It's going to take a lot for me to take my vote off Shark. Both my gut and my thinkin' parts are telling me he's scummy.
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There's nothing wrong with your argumentation against Shark - I just don't consider it very scummy. I have my eye on him but nothing worth pursuing right now IMO.
So...you won't be voting Albus if he's the lynch toDay?
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Thank you for the feedback.
I said it would take a lot, not that I wouldn't be moving my vote no matter what.
I do indeed find Albus scummy, and if the majority of people agree that Albus is the day's lynch I'll vote him. But as of right now I'm convinced Shark is the correct vote, because I find almost all of his content to be suspicious (as I explained when I quoted all of his posts). Albus hasn't pinged my radar as strongly as Shark has.
I will say I'm planning on doing another full reread and/or note update either much later tonight or tomorrow. I got so focused on Shark during my last reread I think I probably wasn't as observant as I should have been regarding my other top suspects.
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Albus (4) - Iso, Emo_Pinata, pinkys_brain, SharkFinnigan
Iso (2) - Artifice 101, poggydude
SharkFinnigan (2) - Caex Kothar, Archmage Eternal
Caex Kothar (1) - Arnnaria
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
mmm voyager all he did was claim a character that was sure to get him lynched and believed it to be an important character that would hurt the borg. That action was more sucide then asking for coins from everyone. You remember Mean Girl where he told everyone to target him during the night? That is what I'm thinking more of with Iso's actions this game.
I took a year off mafia. That doesn't make you brain dead or really that forgetful on how to scum hunt.
Can I get links to past games?
You know you could refer to the game your talking about without links if you know of a game Iso was requesting things as scum. As you read above I just gave an example of Iso town doing request.
@AE: Why are you voting Albus? If you said something early just quote it.
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Bad idea.
I'm so glad you are explaining yourself so clearly and being open about your motivations.
Sorry I haven't been very active the last couple of days, things got hectic. I've been slowly working on a theory though. I have come to believe that Iso and Caex are scumbuddies. Iso hasn't done anything to improve his scummyness and continues to be no better than a distraction. Caex is clearly a better player than he is claiming to be. The actual situation in question is thus: Caex pushed hard for Iso's lynch on a bad case, but when others started to vote for Iso as well, Caex immediately backed off. This makes perfect sense as a gambit for Caex to try and distance from Iso. Now, shortly after that, Caex is openly buddying Iso and asking him what to do. The guy he was just voting for is somehow now his adviser. It just doesn't add up. Oh, and one more piece of fun evidence for why Caex is scum:
What do you mean "if you remember correctly"?! For any townstolk, there is nothing to remember. Night 0 didn't exist, and therefore couldn't possibly have abilities being used. The ONLY people who could have even seen a Night 0 were the scum. You claim you don't remember abilities being used on Night 0, but only scum even experienced Night 0 to remember that. Vote Caex Kothar
Having just re-read Caex Kothar, it's incredibly obvious how hardcore he is trying to protect Iso now. After that initial push to distance himself, now he is all about explaining to everyone why Iso is good. It's a complete 180 from his previous stance with no explanation. I know I said previously that I didn't think they could possibly be scumbuddies, but I believe I was wrong and the new evidence is more telling. (#1 That Caex is a better player than he lets on, and #2 that Caex attacking Iso until Iso hit L-2, then backing off and buddying him seems like a scum gambit.)
Last thing:
Why do you feel the need to obscure your past meta and make sarcastic remarks about how that makes it hard to find information about you? A townstolk should be open and honest, not making comments like "ha ha, you just TRY and find meta information on me!"
P.S. Inb4 Iso says I'm scum with "inside information" because I talked about the scum probably having a Night 0. It's common to give the scum pre-game discussion and Caex is the one openly talking about being around for a Night 0.
2x the lulz. First, I really am not a better player than I claim to be. I try to be smart about my posting, but as everyone saw with my "case" on Iso I obviously am not as experienced as everyone else here. Really, you're just flailing around for someone to target other than yourself.
2nd, I backed off my case after everyone told me it was ridiculous, and unvoted when I didn't want anyone to be quicklynched. I've already explained this. Now all the sudden you're back to it when you're about to be lynched? What a coincidence.
?? There was indeed a night 0. It was here on the game thread. Said something like "It is now night 0 while I get all the players emblems worked out. This might take a while. If you have night talk you can talk amongst yourselves. No abilities can be used". Something like that.
It vanished when the game started, which is why I said "if I remember correctly".
When did I explain how Iso is good? I asked him to tell me if my case was solid on Shark. Kind of like how I specifically asked two people about my case on Iso at first.
Your #2 point I've already explained. Anybody being quicklynched that soon in the game, whether by mistake or by scum, would be bad. Suddenly when you're at L-2 you're jumping on this? Seems like you're just flailing around for something to latch onto.
Your number one point is just false. I've already explained it. I'm flattered that you're giving me that much credit, but you're wrong.
Because, if you go back and look at Arnnaria's post, it said "Can we mine it for information, LOL".
I figured he was making a joke or at least being light-hearted with his tone, so I did the same back. Simple as that.
Besides, if I didn't want to be open and honest I wouldn't have told anyone what other game I'd been in. But no, instead I'm taunting the town to "just try to read me, you tiny-minded fools muhahahaha". Sorry, I'm not that diabolically egomaniacal.
Explained above.
Btw you're at L-2. Are you going to claim?
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I replaced out of that game. Did Iso flip town or scum?
The united front from Iso and Caex is also unsurprising.
I'll claim when non-scum townsfolk ask me to. If you do decide to lynch me, I request that I be given a chance to post my final town/scum list, reads, and analysis of my own wagon before anyone hammers. Going into Day 2 with a solid set of opinions from a confirmed townsfolk will be a boon to the town. Anyone who hammers me without waiting for that should be considered scum and lynched the next Day.
It basically comes down to this: You can trust Iso to steer you into mislynches repeatedly, or you can have an opinion of your own. The extreme buddying of Caex and Iso is silly. I truly think they are trying to get me lynched because they know I'm right and I'll catch them soon.
That's not the way it works. You're at L-2. I'm asking you to claim and tell us your reads. If you do not acquiesce, I'll shift my toe and someone will certainly hammer.
You know how games work. You can't save your DS and your face at the same time.
Could you provide a link for that? I'd be interested in reading up on mafia statistics.
That said, what you're saying is that less than half of the people who accuse a "townsfolk" of flailing are scum? Does that read to anyone else as trying to twist the statistics to get his detractors lynched?
Mhm. Anyone sharing opinions is obv buddying.
I wonder what the statistics of guilt are for people who refuse to claim?
Your request might seem reasonable, but you could easily use it as an excuse to drag this out for several more days and sow as much confusion as possible.
The real question here is why you would even ask this. I doubt you'd have been lynched until you claimed your coin amount. Why not just do a whole post of analysis at the same time as your claim?
Translation: If you vote me, you're obviously a sheep.
And for the record, I wasn't trying to get you lynched. I was focused much more on Shark than you.
But now you're just spreading misinformation. Town doesn't do that.
{Magic: The RPG}
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My vote will be on Albus if he does not acquiesce before I go to bed.
Arn, my Mafia stats are in my sig. I was town in Mean Girls.
Albus, you're really just doing everything you can to detract from me on your way out the door at this point. It's unbecoming and if you were really as townie as you claim to be you would not be in this situation. Also, what the hell is a non-scum townsfolk, besides redundant? How can you have a scum townsfolk?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I know it's no excuse. I never made it so. I understand how I should be playing. Here's past links in spoilers with quick summaries on play. (Username=SharkFinn)
@pinky's brain: I understand that. Did I ever claim to be? I know it's no excuse for poor play. I know how this all works.
In reverse order of completion:
Werewolf Team
B-Mod
Town Lynched D1
Replaced in, Town lynched in MYLO.
Town NKilled
Town, Lost horribly.
Town, Lynched D4 (Unique Setup)
Mafia, Lasted til D6. but lost
Town, Replaced in Late, Win
Town, Lost at End.
Town, Replaced in, Won.
2 scum games to analyze.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%