It's pretty self explainitory. Power has never won a game I've played, and I have seen multiple towns lose trying to break open setups and fail.
Also, the scum killing power in this game powers the town more than it powers the scum. It's just a rookie scum mistake, and it never is the best application of their NK.
@EP: That is simply incorrect. We technically gain more coins than the scum each time the beggar's guild triggers, but they can use their coins more efficiently because of their private chat. It just makes sense for them to get more coins for themselves and take over the vigilante shot as quickly as possible while we are still trying to figure out who to trust.
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I honestly believe there is pretty much mass confusion as to the game mechanics and it's going to take a couple days to get rid of the confusion. So, for me, confusion is a null tell.
I mean, I personally have been wrong on my assumptions as to how the game works. So why aren't you stringing me up?
This "Person X was confused" argument seems like mafia trying to out the power players. If someone can recite all the options we have with our coins WITHOUT looking at the said post, with no errors, I'd put you in my town pile. But nobody can. So it's a silly excuse to vote for someone.
I honestly believe there is pretty much mass confusion as to the game mechanics and it's going to take a couple days to get rid of the confusion. So, for me, confusion is a null tell.
I mean, I personally have been wrong on my assumptions as to how the game works. So why aren't you stringing me up?
This "Person X was confused" argument seems like mafia trying to out the power players. If someone can recite all the options we have with our coins WITHOUT looking at the said post, with no errors, I'd put you in my town pile. But nobody can. So it's a silly excuse to vote for someone.
I don't think anyone is being voted for due to confusion about the set-up. It's really not that complicated anyway. I will be happy to explain any details of it which you are not yet grasping.
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"Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool." - Isiah 1:18
Noob card played here:
Where Iso acts like he is a confused vanilla town and agrees with poggydude's inane gambit. Then he fails to understand the set-up.
Then here:
Where he acts like he finally understands and cancels his previous idea. Iso is obviously an experienced player. Throwing out a bad idea to see who bites and then saying "oh wait, nevermind" when no one does is quite scummy. He is basically covering it up by pretending that he didn't understand what was going on, but that seems like a mistake only a noob (I.E. not Iso) would make.
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That's why I plan to wait til the end of the day to decide. I'm sorry if I did not make that clear. You are an experienced player and if I believe you are town, you'd probably get my coin(s) (if I have any at all for that matter).
I will not be rushing any coin decisions I make for I want to make sure I don't do something...well...stupid.
Anyways, I agree we need to shift the convo to finding scum.
I don't believe we should jump on poggydude for his coin claim. Yes it was too soon, but the mechanics of this game could (later) benefit the coin claim. I mean that's all the concealed info we are likely to have.
"We should hunt scum!" As opposed to not doing that?
Defends poggy by piggybacking on previous argument. No contribution to current events.
@pinkys_brain: Fair point on me, but that was not my intentions. At this point I really have nothing to much to contribute. Part of it, I feel like we spent way too much time discussing game mechanics. The other, a lot has happened in a short time so I'm just trying to wrap my head around the Iso wagon and the reasons for it.
"I have nothing to much to contribute". Bad excuse is bad.
I will say the quickness on Iso's wagon does bug me. It jumped to 5 before WoD caught himself and unvoted. Then Caex just unvotes after Albus puts it back to 5.
??? Parrots pinkys_brain, then states what happens.
So either A: scum are jumping onto this wagon trying to push an easy lynch or B: scum are jumping off the wagon to keep it from reaching it.
Absolute non-committal. Either the people voting Iso are scum, or the people who unvote Iso are scum. Because the waters aren't nearly muddy enough.
I'll have more on this later when I can finally wrap my head on all the reasons people are pushing each way.
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Comment on coin claim. Non-committal, leaves door open on potential for claim.
Was unsure how to play the set up. Only info we had were coins. I was waiting to see what everyone's opinion was first. I saw the logic of both sides, but it was early on so I was not going to go out and make a dumb move that helps scum more than town.
I'll give coins to Iso. But maybe I won't if he's scummy. No contribution. Possible buddying?
I'm fairly new to this site. This is my second game here and I'm still getting the feel for this. From what I've seen, Iso in a lot of things, so if he's town, then he's a very experienced town, which from my experience, is probably someone to listen to. Yes, if he's off, I won't give him my coins (if I could to begin with). But it still could potentially be good to give someone in town coins to do stuff. But that, I've determined, is later, rather than sooner.
"We should hunt scum!" As opposed to not doing that?
As opposed to spending all ou efforts on the game mechanics. We spent too much time on it. Too much confusion with it. I'm trying to still igest everything going on. All I've got out of it was
1. People just need to read the first posts again.
2. poggydude claim coin to begin with.
3. Albus gambit roleplay deal with a passive agressive stance with Iso.
4. Iso speedwagon
??? Parrots pinkys_brain, then states what happens.
Do you not believe the speed of the wagon felt off? It just felt like it just jumped out of nowhere. I still don't like that.
As for the non-commital part: Vote Albus
I don't like his gambit.
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Because there is no evidence to support a hypothesis of me being scum. The fact that you disagree with me doesn't make me scum. The fact that I think Iso is scummy doesn't make me scum. (as much as he would have you believe otherwise) The fact that I've been thinking my posts through doesn't make me scum. Have you considered your reasons for voting me from a logical perspective instead of an emotional one?
Iso said it himself, when someone tries to hunt him he turns it around on them. Basically the only reason I'm being voted for at all is because Iso is very persuasive.
I agree with MirrorEntity on cases. It's important to post your thoughts and motivations, especially when voting. That's different from trying to case someone though. Primarily, the former reveals information about yourself. The latter is mostly just used as a tool to get people lynched regardless of alignment.
Have you ever seen Iso scum gambit? Have you seen Iso town gambit?
Your whole case on Iso was basically Iso being Iso. Nothing more. Now you want to use his words against him....pfft
if the scum lie about their amounts we catch them when they try to claim having done something. We see who has given who coins and we do the math.
Reveling later has little benefit since we already lost all of our chances at proper bookkeeping, we lose out on who did what and it become a big undecipherable mess.
1) I doubt scum will lie about their coins. It's stupid and pointless
2) if scum lie there is no one to figure out if they are telling the truth this game until they are dead.
In other words mass claiming coins = pointless
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We were, but you squirmed out of the noose by continuing to play innocent while still openly clammering for coins.
I say, along the lines of what I think Emo is saying, we play Mafia and use the mechanics as a papertrail later. And also I still say that starts with an Iso lynch or one other I'm starting to wonder about, but falls under the "usual suspect" catagory.... sticking with my Iso read for now.
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We were, but you squirmed out of the noose by continuing to play innocent while still openly clammering for coins.
No. You were driving another mislynch on me. Do something useful instead of shouting, "LYNCH ISO!" at the thread. It's not going to happen, and I'm not "playing innocent". Do you have an issue with my case on Albus? If so, you haven't addressed it, as I requested. Why not? If you don't, I can only assume you don't have any problems with the case, and have no reason for your vote not to be on him, as such.
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I say, along the lines of what I think Emo is saying, we play Mafia and use the mechanics as a papertrail later.
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...one other I'm starting to wonder about, but falls under the "usual suspect" catagory...
I can only assume you're referring to pinkys_brain.
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Was unsure how to play the set up. Only info we had were coins. I was waiting to see what everyone's opinion was first. I saw the logic of both sides, but it was early on so I was not going to go out and make a dumb move that helps scum more than town.
I don't like the fencesitting. Waiting back and not taking a stance.
I'm fairly new to this site. This is my second game here and I'm still getting the feel for this. From what I've seen, Iso in a lot of things, so if he's town, then he's a very experienced town, which from my experience, is probably someone to listen to. Yes, if he's off, I won't give him my coins (if I could to begin with). But it still could potentially be good to give someone in town coins to do stuff. But that, I've determined, is later, rather than sooner.
Tell me what this experience is.
4. Iso speedwagon
A wagon that stalled at 4 votes. What do you, if anything, take from the iso wagon?
Your also coming across uncertain about your vote on Albus. This all sounds like fluff to blend in and add yourself to the wagon.
A. I'm suspicious of him for pretending to be confused. Iso is better than that.
B. I'm not actually voting for him.
Why did you not say anything about point a until after a wagon started?
@Artfice
Will you be answering the qustions I asked or continue to push on Iso for weak reasons you haven't explained the difference for and continue to remind me of Flame warriors?
Question are below:
How is the Iso gambit different from town or scum Iso? Can you link where Iso has done scum gambits at the start of a game before?
Where did Iso play the newb card?
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I misread somewhere gambit for gimmick. In either case, the roleplaying I feel doesn't do us any good. It just feels off to me. Idk.
You are not the only one that feels that way, and it's why I have significantly downplayed the roleplay since then. It wasn't even a game thing, it's just part of this personality. English kind of snobbishness, over the top vocabulary use, referencing "logic" every 5 minutes, etc etc. Albus has a lot of quirks.
We were, but you squirmed out of the noose by continuing to play innocent while still openly clammering for coins.
I say, along the lines of what I think Emo is saying, we play Mafia and use the mechanics as a papertrail later. And also I still say that starts with an Iso lynch or one other I'm starting to wonder about, but falls under the "usual suspect" catagory.... sticking with my Iso read for now.
Who are your other suspects at this time? I would like to see you post more in general. I find your posts to be insightful. If you don't mind, could you do a town/scum list and post your thoughts on everyone?
@PB: Because I didn't think it was enough to vote him yet. It's also better not to attack Iso until you have something behind it, otherwise he will just get you lynched instead of himself. Strong players with strong reputations are not the kind of people you just casually sling mud at. There are others like Cyan or AsianInvasion etc who I would treat similarly.
Now a question for you: Why are you protecting Iso so fiercely? It honestly doesn't make much sense to be protecting anyone on Day 1 unless you have strong reasons to believe they are on your team.
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Because there is no evidence to support a hypothesis of me being scum. The fact that you disagree with me doesn't make me scum. The fact that I think Iso is scummy doesn't make me scum. (as much as he would have you believe otherwise) The fact that I've been thinking my posts through doesn't make me scum. Have you considered your reasons for voting me from a logical perspective instead of an emotional one?
Iso said it himself, when someone tries to hunt him he turns it around on them. Basically the only reason I'm being voted for at all is because Iso is very persuasive.
I agree with MirrorEntity on cases. It's important to post your thoughts and motivations, especially when voting. That's different from trying to case someone though. Primarily, the former reveals information about yourself. The latter is mostly just used as a tool to get people lynched regardless of alignment..
What in our hypothosis makes Iso scum? I also notice you didn't answer my question about Iso with gambits. Have you seen Iso do gambits before as town or scum?
@PB: Because I didn't think it was enough to vote him yet. It's also better not to attack Iso until you have something behind it, otherwise he will just get you lynched instead of himself. Strong players with strong reputations are not the kind of people you just casually sling mud at. There are others like Cyan or AsianInvasion etc who I would treat similarly.
Now a question for you: Why are you protecting Iso so fiercely? It honestly doesn't make much sense to be protecting anyone on Day 1 unless you have strong reasons to believe they are on your team.
You do realize that your vote came on Iso without waiting for Poggy to come back and defend hiself and that you basically put Iso at L-2 rather quickly?
Did you miss that bit or did I imagine the L-2 you put Iso on?
You believe Iso was scummy enough to put at L-2 based on something that is typically Iso behavior (null) and something you called flailing that is not flailing but sarcasm.
The last time Iso was attacked this way was Flame Warriors. This is reminding me of that game.
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What in our hypothosis makes Iso scum? I also notice you didn't answer my question about Iso with gambits. Have you seen Iso do gambits before as town or scum?
You do realize that your vote came on Iso without waiting for Poggy to come back and defend hiself and that you basically put Iso at L-2 rather quickly?
Did you miss that bit or did I imagine the L-2 you put Iso on?
You believe Iso was scummy enough to put at L-2 based on something that is typically Iso behavior (null) and something you called flailing that is not flailing but sarcasm.
The last time Iso was attacked this way was Flame Warriors. This is reminding me of that game.
I'm pretty sure the last time Iso was attacked this way was Voyager. But, that was a crazy cult gamble. Iso could have been lucky enough to gain two coins, put in his bid first at the vig house, and gambitted asking for coins to see who he wants to shoot tonight. Or Iso is just being Iso.
I still think what Iso did was the proper play...after day three or so when there was more proof other than his word that he was Town.
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Maybe Iso got the first bid at the beggar's sect. And then gambitted his asking for coins to see who to investigate.
Hasn't had a chance. You can only bid during night, and if I remember correctly, night 0 was a no-ability night.
Here, hopefully this will clear up the rules for everyone and we can finally move on from the confusion:
Ability 1: Guild of Coins
When a person is lynched, all his coins go to the Guild of Coins. Once the Guild of Coins reaches 3 coins, every player gets 1 coin and the Guild is reset to 0 coins, and the amount of coins needed for this same thing to happen again increases by 2 coins.
Ability 2: Courier Post
During Day, you may PM the mod with the name of the player you wish to donate 1 coin to. 1 coin will be taken from you and given to that player anonymously at the beginning of the next Night. This ability fails if either player is no longer alive of if the donating player has no coin to give.
Ability 3: City Watch
During day, any player may give the Watch 3 coins. This immediately imposes a 12-day deadline. This ability will automatically occur if a number of real-life days pass equal to the number of living players multiplied by 2.
Ability 4: Beggar's Sect
During Night, any player may PM the mod with a bid of X tokens and a living player's name. Whoever has the largest offer loses coins equal to their bid, and learns the alignment of the player they specified. Only the winning bid loses coins. The investigation can be used a total of 3 times. After that, it doesn't work anymore.
Ability 5: King's Justice
During Day, any player may give the King's Justice 5 coins. The first player to do so will gain a 1-shot vig the following night. This ability can only be used 1 time total.
Ability 6: Dark Cult
During Night, you may give 1 coin to the Cult. If you do, any actions targeting you will fail that night. Every time you use this ability, the cost increases by 1 coin.
Ability 7: Holy Tabernacle
During Night, you may give 1 coin to the Tabernacle. If you do, any ability you use that night cannot be prevented. This bypasses the Dark Cult's ability. Every time you use this ability, the cost increases by 1 coin.
Does that make it more clear? I hope it does. Content to come later tonight.
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Will you be answering the qustions I asked or continue to push on Iso for weak reasons you haven't explained the difference for and continue to remind me of Flame warriors?
Question are below:
Yes? As I've already mentioned, I'm on my PS3 until my laptop gets out of the shop. I am literally hunt/pecking with a game controller, so elaborate replies will have to wait. (This goes for whoever asked for a T/S list as well...the gimmick I think?) Your bad reads are none of my concern.
When I get an uninterupted half an hour at my folk's house, or the machine back, I'll elaborate.
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Ability 4: Beggar's Sect
During Night, any player may PM the mod with a bid of X tokens and a living player's name. Whoever has the largest offer loses coins equal to their bid, and learns the alignment of the player they specified. Only the winning bid loses coins. The investigation can be used a total of 3 times. After that, it doesn't work anymore.
Wait, how is this three? It can only be used three times, but a bid of 1 or 2 could win it, right?
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Yes? As I've already mentioned, I'm on my PS3 until my laptop gets out of the shop. I am literally hunt/pecking with a game controller, so elaborate replies will have to wait. (This goes for whoever asked for a T/S list as well...the gimmick I think?) Your bad reads are none of my concern.
When I get an uninterupted half an hour at my folk's house, or the machine back, I'll elaborate.
In the mean time being useless and continuing meta reference with no proof does nothing from me with you.
You think you have issues I have a computer lap top that is so old I think it was the first one out of the factory. I have almost passed out waiting for the websites to come up. Don't even ask me for research right now.
@Arnn: Lets forget for a moment there is a mechanic to this game. Who is currently on your scum list and why?'
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In the mean time being useless and continuing meta reference with no proof does nothing from me with you.
You think you have issues I have a computer lap top that is so old I think it was the first one out of the factory. I have almost passed out waiting for the websites to come up. Don't even ask me for research right now.
@Arnn: Lets forget for a moment there is a mechanic to this game. Who is currently on your scum list and why?'
I honestly don't know. I took the V/LA thing when everything was calmer and I haven't really had the time or energy to catch up. I've been focusing too much on the mechanics too. I know this is no excuse.
Let me give you this. Tomorrow morning I'll read through the whole thread and comment on every post I find scummy. Then, I'll tally up the comments and go with my gut on who I think is scum and why. But I'm too tired to do it tonight. So let me get a good night's sleep and I'll answer your question.
I was actually using it as a point. In all your posts, 1/6th of them were in the RVS.
Was unsure how to play the set up. Only info we had were coins. I was waiting to see what everyone's opinion was first. I saw the logic of both sides, but it was early on so I was not going to go out and make a dumb move that helps scum more than town.
This reads as very fence-sitty to me. What I read here is "Wanted to see which way the wind was blowing before I commented".
I'm fairly new to this site. This is my second game here and I'm still getting the feel for this. From what I've seen, Iso in a lot of things, so if he's town, then he's a very experienced town, which from my experience, is probably someone to listen to. Yes, if he's off, I won't give him my coins (if I could to begin with). But it still could potentially be good to give someone in town coins to do stuff. But that, I've determined, is later, rather than sooner.
I actually agree that if we're going to give out coins, it should be to an experienced player who is giving off strong town vibes. What I don't agree with is saying who we'll be giving our coins too. Leaves the door a little too open for the scum to screw everyone over with a well-placed nightkill.
As opposed to spending all ou efforts on the game mechanics. We spent too much time on it. Too much confusion with it. I'm trying to still igest everything going on. All I've got out of it was
1. People just need to read the first posts again.
2. poggydude claim coin to begin with.
3. Albus gambit roleplay deal with a passive agressive stance with Iso.
4. Iso speedwagon
Again, very fence-sitty. The only thing you're doing here is stating what happened. You give no opinions, no analysis, nothing one way or the other.
Do you not believe the speed of the wagon felt off? It just felt like it just jumped out of nowhere. I still don't like that.
As for the non-commital part: Vote Albus
I don't like his gambit.
This, on the other hand, says plenty. What it says is "Uh-oh, someone noticed I'm being too cautious and not actually commenting on current events."
Not only do you jump on the current most popular wagon after someone calls you out for not contributing, you do it without giving any reasons beyond a single sentence. That screams "opportunism" to me.
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Poggydude - Post 8
Calls for a coin claim and admits he only has one. Not much you can do with only one coin at this stage of the game. Null tell because Poggy seems to always ask for a mass claim. Poggy also seems to hate RVS, so this is a way to get us out of it.
Caex Kothar - Post 9
FOS instead of a vote this early on in the game? RVS isn’t even over. Scum points for not placing his vote on someone.
Caex Kother - Post 11
“Not enough to vote for him…”; dude, you’re putting him at L-6. If you are going to make a statement, at least have some bravado in it.
Iso - Post 13
The infamous “everyone should give me all their coins” post. I’ve already explained how this might be a sound strategy; but maybe on Day Three when there are definite lines in the sand and wagons to analyze.
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Iso - Post 16
Lays out a really complicated plan. Then he backpedals and says he’s not ready to do it yet. Then why give the scum your plan? As for Iso claiming that he needs coins because he plays vanilla badly: he knew the setup of the game. He signed up for it. This is a poor excuse for his argument to give him coins.
SharkFinnigan - Post 20 and 22
Shark acquiesces to Iso’s request if he finds him Townie at the end of the day. Do mafia have daychat?
Emo Pinata @ 23 / Pinky’s Brain @ 30
Confusion over the game mechanics. Seems like general confusion.
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Albus - Post 39
“I propose that tonight, all town members that are not otherwise occupied, should bid on the cop scan with as much as they feel comfortable spending to make sure it doesn't fall into scum hands.” I don’t like this one bit. It’s basically saying “hey town, waste your time bidding and not using other abilities or saving your coins for bigger things because I’m under the assumption that the mafia doesn’t have a player with 2 coins.” Insider information? Or just poor strategy?
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Artifice - Post 50
Artifice basically sums up everything I’ve been writing so far. Town points for Artifice.
Albus - Post 55
Arbitrarily throwing out numbers. Assumes the scum bankroll is four. Because if it were 5, they could vig someone. But I think this is evidence that the scum do not have daychat. Let’s look at it this way: if the scum had the maximum amount of coins (6), they’d have 2 a piece. Even if they give the “leader” one coin each, that’s still not enough for the vig shot tonight. So, I don’t know why Albus is so worried that he’s spilling information on the scum’s bankroll.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP GIVING MAFIA IDEAS ON HOW TO USE THEIR BANKROLL
Artifice - Post 56
Artifice agrees with me yet again.
Albus - Post 58
“It is appalling that you are arguing for a course of action which results in the town losing cop scans. Are you scum?” Appalling? He just suggested a different strategy than you. If you’re going to shoot down a player and call them scum because of a different plan, then not even place a vote on them, I’m going to think you’re scummy.
Page Five
Pinky’s Brain - Post 62
Tells Emo_Pinata in particular not to let the scum know the best course of action. However, we already have given them a lot of things on a silver platter.
Emo Pinata - Post 66
The Iso wagon starts to get steam.
Page Six
Caex Kother and Iso start going back and forth.
I’m leaning on Iso’s side in this debate. Caex Kothar seems overzealous and trying to build a case on the back of Iso simply asking Emo what her suggestions were. If Caex really wanted to ream Iso, he’d mention the “give me all your coins” gamble. But either he’s forgot about it or he’s saving it for later.
Page Seven
Caex Kother - Post 92
“That aside, I would like more people to comment on the Iso wagon. Preferably people who aren't involved in it. Outside perspective and all that. Albus and pinkys_brain in particular.” Why these two? Am I missing something here?
Caex Kothar - Post 95
Presenting a case on one issue: Iso’s interaction with Emo. Apparently, he doesn’t find the “give me all your coins” too big of an issue. I know if I were fighting against Iso, that would be my main ammunition. But Caex seems to ignore it for some reason.
Pinky’s Brain - Post 101
Being at L-2 in a game with roles is like a yellow light at an intersection. Sure, you can run it, but if you get caught you’re gonna get a ticket. It’s best to stop, get information, and then proceed with caution.
[B]HOWEVER, in this game, L-2 doesn’t mean anything. What are you going to claim? Your coin count? If two people hammer at L-2 to lynch the subject in question; two people will have ended on a lot of people’s scumdar.
Albus - Post 102
“You’re wrong Albus. But, I concur with you that Iso is scum. Because of evidence that I have that I won’t reveal. I guess I’ll vote for him even though he’s at L-2.” Scum. Scum. Scum.
Caex Kothar - Post 103
Unvotes Iso. You think if his case was strong enough to basically rail him for a majority of his posts for Day One, he’d have pushed for a lynch. But obviously, his case isn’t strong enough.
Iso - Post 105
Iso defends himself against Caex’s ghost case.
Page Eight
Iso - Post 106
Iso starts a pretty convincing case against Albus.
Caex - Post 110
Defends his post against Iso. I don’t think the emperor has new clothes
Emo - Post 111
Emo defends Iso. This is especially noteworthy because Caex’s whole case was Iso trying to get Emo to spill her guts.
Albus - Post 112
Everything about Iso’s case in this post is META. This is a “classical scum tell”, means, “other people have done this in other games, and you’re doing it now, ergo you must be scum.”
@Albus: Find me another game like this where scum turned out to be playing the same way Iso is.
Archmage Eternal - Post 116
How many times has Archmage said he needs to think? Think outloud then so we get to know what’s going on. This way, you’re just lurking.
Page Nine
Albus - Post 121
If you’ve been roleplaying, I’ve certainly missed it. It seems you’ve just been attacking Iso for unsubstantiated reasons.
Iso - Post 128
Iso defends himself against Caex and Albus. It should be noted that while he didn’t completely hand wave their cases, he did ask them to dredge more information on his case. Which they can’t, because there is none. Is this hand waving? I don’t think so. I think he’s trying to prove a point that they can’t put a solid case against him besides conjecture.
Caex - Post 129
But if I didn't point it out and E_P did indeed answer, it's a boon for the scum. You get to probe into E_P's head, but the scum get two free ideas, one or both of which could be good and possibly more threatening to the town than whatever goals they currently are persuing. I mean, I know I'm new to the game and all, but to me it just seems logical to stop that kind of situation before it happens.” Do you honestly think the scum are stupid enough that they can’t make their own decisions and have to barn off of town? Caex, the more you mention this, the more it seems like you’re trying to distance yourself from scum.
Artifice - Post 133
Artifice brings up the coins. This is the first time the coins have been brought up in a couple of pages. I agree that it’s the best thing against Iso, but Artifice refuses to acknowledge Caex and Albus’s case. Why? Because it’s full of holes. He also brings up “echoes of the past” but then refuses to tell us what they are. So essentially, he’s voting Iso for asking for coins and not addressing the rest of his case. Seems solid to me.
Albus - Post 142
“Because there is no evidence to support a hypothesis of me being scum.” How about how your case against Iso is full of holes? How about you hand waving any type of fire you come under?
U]Caex - Post 147
Caex has a vote. Let me repeat that: At this stage of the game, Caex has not put a vote on anyone yet he says this: Double FoS: poggy. Does anybody but me find this odd?
Post 155 is where I “came back”, so unless something really strikes me as odd, I’ve already commented on it already
Caex - Post 161
Caex divorces himself from Iso and Poggy and starts a new case (with a vote this time!) against Shark.
Archmage Eternal - Post 171
“I don't like the fencesitting. Waiting back and not taking a stance.” Do you not like lurking either? Because from what I can tell so far in this game, you are fence sitting and waiting back and not taking a stance.
***
Scum
Lord of House Albus
Lord of House Caex Kothar
Lurker/Neutral/Need to Post More
Lord off House Archmage Eternal
Lord of House MirrorEntity
Lord of House SharkFinnigan
Lady of House Wrath_of_DoG
Probably Town
Lord of House Artifice 101
Lord of House Iso
Lord of House poggydude
Town
Lord of House Arnnaria
Lady of House Emo_Pinata
Lady of House pinkys_brain
***
That being said…
Vote Caex Kothar
I’d vote for Albus, but I don’t want a quick hammer before people have a chance to read my post.
B]Page One[/B] Caex Kothar - Post 9
FOS instead of a vote this early on in the game? RVS isn’t even over. Scum points for not placing his vote on someone.
??? And you're going on about my "ghost case"? Because I didn't vote for someone I found slightly suspicious, I'm scummy?
RVS stage is not an excuse for doing blatantly scummy things. Poggy's attempt at starting a coin claim was a bad idea. I found it suspicious, but I wasn't ready to vote him based on a single post.
Caex Kother - Post 11
“Not enough to vote for him…”; dude, you’re putting him at L-6. If you are going to make a statement, at least have some bravado in it.
I found his idea for a claim to be bad, and I was using the FoS as a way of saying "I've got my eye on you" without voting him. I can't understand how that's at all scummy...
[B]EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP GIVING MAFIA IDEAS ON HOW TO USE THEIR BANKROLL[/B]
I find this ironic, given your statements later in this quote bundle. More on that later.
Caex Kother and Iso start going back and forth.
I’m leaning on Iso’s side in this debate. Caex Kothar seems overzealous and trying to build a case on the back of Iso simply asking Emo what her suggestions were. If Caex really wanted to ream Iso, he’d mention the “give me all your coins” gamble. But either he’s forgot about it or he’s saving it for later.
I've already admitted my case may have been a bit overzealous. I still think Iso trying to extract info from Emo was scummy, but I blew the other parts out of proportion in regards to scummy actions.
I simply didn't find the coin thing as scummy or townie. I read it as Iso-related sillyness. Of course he wants coins. Everyone wants coins. Iso is simply crazy/silly enough to ask everyone for them. I never read it as a totally serious request. Maybe he does want people to give him coins, but he couldn't honestly believe anyone was going to give them to him. Your constant harping on that point rubs me the wrong way.
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Caex Kother - Post 92
“That aside, I would like more people to comment on the Iso wagon. Preferably people who aren't involved in it. Outside perspective and all that. Albus and pinkys_brain in particular.” Why these two? Am I missing something here?
pinkys_brain seemed to be completely ignoring my exchages with Iso. She posted several times without so much as mentioning it. I was curious as to why and wanted to see what she'd say.
Albus was Iso's vote. I wanted to see if he'd side with me simply because Iso was railing against him or if he'd try to make his own case against Iso.
Caex Kothar - Post 95
Presenting a case on one issue: Iso’s interaction with Emo. Apparently, he doesn’t find the “give me all your coins” too big of an issue. I know if I were fighting against Iso, that would be my main ammunition. But Caex seems to ignore it for some reason.
See above.
Caex Kothar - Post 103
Unvotes Iso. You think if his case was strong enough to basically rail him for a majority of his posts for Day One, he’d have pushed for a lynch. But obviously, his case isn’t strong enough.
I already admitted my case was reaching a bit. I found Iso scummy, but he defended himself well enough that I wanted to rethink my position.
Caex - Post 110
Defends his post against Iso. I don’t think the emperor has new clothes
Not even sure what this means. The fact that I unvoted and yet still took time to defend my posts against Iso should show you that I truly thought my original point was valid.
Caex - Post 129
But if I didn't point it out and E_P did indeed answer, it's a boon for the scum. You get to probe into E_P's head, but the scum get two free ideas, one or both of which could be good and possibly more threatening to the town than whatever goals they currently are persuing. I mean, I know I'm new to the game and all, but to me it just seems logical to stop that kind of situation before it happens.” [B]Do you honestly think the scum are stupid enough that they can’t make their own decisions and have to barn off of town? Caex, the more you mention this, the more it seems like you’re trying to distance yourself from scum[/B].
This makes me go :eyebrow:.
I already quoted where you told everyone to stop giving the scum ideas. Now you're lambasting me for saying the same thing? Why the 180?
And no, I don't think the scum are stupid. But I think E_P leading with "If I were scum, here's the two best things I could think of to persue" is a dangerous situation. At best, he says two things the scum were already thinking and the threat to the town is minimal. At worst, he gives them two new ideas that they hadn't considered and makes the situation more dangerous for the town. How is that distancing?
It's a no-win situation for the town. Either nothing is gained, or the scum gain new ideas.
Caex - Post 147
Caex has a vote. Let me repeat that: At this stage of the game, Caex has not put a vote on anyone yet he says this: Double FoS: poggy. Does anybody but me find this odd?
Actually I was voting Iso early. It started as an RVS stage vote, but I specifically said I was considering it as a serious vote after I started in on Iso.
The "double FoS" thing was me saying "I've already FoS'd poggy. Now I'm FoSing him again". I didn't vote because I was planning on doing a re-read and updating all my notes, then putting my vote on whoever I found most scummy throughout the entire game. What I ended up finding was SharkFinnigan.
Caex - Post 161
Caex divorces himself from Iso and Poggy and starts a new case (with a vote this time!) against Shark.
I'd already backed off Iso earlier. Saying I just now divorced myself from Iso is disingenuous. Poggy was one person I was planning on focusing on in my re-read, but SharkFinnigan caught my attention much more strongly.
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
Thanks for responding Caex. Your responses to my responses does shed some added light onto the situation at hand. I think you've moved from "Definitely Scum" to "Leaning Scum" on my list.
I apologize if some of the post comes off as disjointed, but I started writing at 3 AM and didn't stop until 5 AM.
I just have one question in response to you: Do you think the Albus wagon is justified?
And how will we know if they have or haven't done something? How will that catch them in a lie? It's not possible to catch a scum in a lie regarding their abilities, because they're all anonymous. For us to find out how many coins they truly have, they'll have to be dead. You're proposing that after we kill a scum and find out he was lying we shout "HA! Caught you in a lie, corpsey! What're you going to do about, you dead fool! You can't do anything, can you? Nope! Because you're dead!"
?
Except if the scum lie about their amounts the first time! Again, the only way we have to figure out who is lying about their amounts is when they die.
What you're propsing sounds like you want everyone to announce every ability they used every night. Which they can lie about, and nobody will be able to tell. How does that promote bookkeeping, when we can't prove or disprove it. The scum could simply say "I didn't do anything last night" and nobody could prove them wrong.
And then there's this. The first sentence reads "poor me, everyone dismisses my ideas."
The rest is more or less untrue, because everything is anonymous and most of it is unproveable.
Preemptively (and postemptively) dismissing arguments against you by calling them stupid.
So everyone who doesn't agree with you is a coward?
Double FoS: poggy
This sudden surge of aggressive pushing for a bad plan isn't filling me with confidence.
The first quote is the vote count before your post.
The second quote is you Double FOS Poggy. Your vote was not on Iso.
Generally, it's considered scummy when people FOS someone instead of just voting for them when their vote is not tied up with another person.
Thanks for responding Caex. Your responses to my responses does shed some added light onto the situation at hand. I think you've moved from "Definitely Scum" to "Leaning Scum" on my list.
I apologize if some of the post comes off as disjointed, but I started writing at 3 AM and didn't stop until 5 AM.
I just have one question in response to you: Do you think the Albus wagon is justified?
I think Iso's case on Albus was fairly good, but Albus' responses are what push him into the "Scummy" side of the spectrum for me. His trying to use "Lol jk guys I'm roleplaying" as an excuse to change his behaviour reeks of trying to explain away something suspicious in as hasty a way as possible. If my vote weren't on Shark, I would probably put it on Albus. Though I don't know if I'd be happy putting anyone at L-2 and into claim range without giving WoD and MirrorEntity a chance to speak.
And his attitude in some of his responses against Iso are completely dismissive instead of defending himself. He's going on about how Iso was "playing the noob card" or whatever when anyone who knows anything about mafia on MTGS couldn't possibly think that. Iso is very experienced and could never be considered a "noob". That just seems like Albus is grasping at straws for a reason to vote Iso.
As of right now, Albus and Shark are my top suspects, with poggy bringing up the rear for pushing the coin claim so hard.
The first quote is the vote count before your post.
The second quote is you Double FOS Poggy. Your vote was not on Iso.
Generally, it's considered scummy when people FOS someone instead of just voting for them when their vote is not tied up with another person.
Yet, you've done this twice in the game.
I'm not sure of the point of this post.
I already said I unvoted Iso after he defended himself from me well. Then I put my double FoS on poggy, but didn't vote because I was planning on doing an entire reread of the game and putting my vote on whoever I found most suspicious. Thirteen posts after I FoS'd poggy I voted Shark because I completed my reread. If I'd have voted poggy and then, not even twenty posts later, unvoted and voted Shark, would you have considered that scummy?
Am I wrong in thinking that quickly boucing your votes around is considered scummy? If so, you'd be basically going after me for a lose-lose situation. Either I'm scum for not voting poggy, or I'm scum for voting poggy then quickly switching to Shark thirteen posts later.
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
I already said I unvoted Iso after he defended himself from me well. Then I put my double FoS on poggy, but didn't vote because I was planning on doing an entire reread of the game and putting my vote on whoever I found most suspicious. Thirteen posts after I FoS'd poggy I voted Shark because I completed my reread. If I'd have voted poggy and then, not even twenty posts later, unvoted and voted Shark, would you have considered that scummy?
Am I wrong in thinking that quickly boucing your votes around is considered scummy? If so, you'd be basically going after me for a lose-lose situation. Either I'm scum for not voting poggy, or I'm scum for voting poggy then quickly switching to Shark thirteen posts later.
I'm just pointing out a "tell" that many people have used. In fact, it's been used on me in the past which is why I'm trying to explain to you that it is a scum tell. Yes, vote jumping would've been another tell, but if you already knew you were going to re-read, why even bother posting at all?
If you feel as if something needed to be said, there are plenty of other ways to go about it. You could simply state "I need to do a readthrough, but right now I'm leaning Poggy as scum." But doing a FOS without a vote for the second time makes it seem like you don't want to be responsible for what might happen.
I'm just pointing out a "tell" that many people have used. In fact, it's been used on me in the past which is why I'm trying to explain to you that it is a scum tell. Yes, vote jumping would've been another tell, but if you already knew you were going to re-read, why even bother posting at all?
Because I wanted everyone to know that I thought poggy's post was a bad one? I'm not sure why you're going on about this. If I find a post suspicious, I'm going to comment on it. Doesn't matter if I'm about to do a reread or not. Bad posts need to be commented on. I explained why I thought it was a bad post, but since I was planning a reread, I wasn't going to cast a vote at that time.
If you feel as if something needed to be said, there are plenty of other ways to go about it. You could simply state "I need to do a readthrough, but right now I'm leaning Poggy as scum." But doing a FOS without a vote for the second time makes it seem like you don't want to be responsible for what might happen.
Really? I was more or less setting myself up for a poggy vote. I found two of his posts to be suspicious and I absolutely would have ended up voting poggy after my reread if I found more things I didn't like.
But Shark caught my attention much more strongly than poggy, so I shifted my attention from "person who's posts I didn't like" to "person who is hardcore lurking and absolutely not contributing while trying to pretend he really is".
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
You claim your top suspects are me and Albus. You criticize my vote on Albus and are voting me. Wouldn't that make Albus town in that case, or at the very least leaning town?
You seem to have a backup plan in case you fail to lynch or mislynch me.
I dont like that.
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"Ask the right questions in the right way and truth is inevitable."
—Lazav
You claim your top suspects are me and Albus. You criticize my vote on Albus and are voting me. Wouldn't that make Albus town in that case, or at the very least leaning town?
You seem to have a backup plan in case you fail to lynch or mislynch me.
I dont like that.
I criticized your vote on Albus because it was opportunistic, not because I thought Albus was town.
Albus is a popular person to vote, and there's certainly a reason for that, but you voted him without any kind of reasoning and only after I called you on not doing anything the whole game. You posted a single sentence regarding your reason for casting said vote, and that sentence was pretty nebulous and very broad. It gives you lots of room to rationalize your vote if someone asks you about it without committing you too heavily to the Albus wagon if it falls apart. Very opportunistic indeed.
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
Also, the scum killing power in this game powers the town more than it powers the scum. It's just a rookie scum mistake, and it never is the best application of their NK.
I mean, I personally have been wrong on my assumptions as to how the game works. So why aren't you stringing me up?
This "Person X was confused" argument seems like mafia trying to out the power players. If someone can recite all the options we have with our coins WITHOUT looking at the said post, with no errors, I'd put you in my town pile. But nobody can. So it's a silly excuse to vote for someone.
I don't think anyone is being voted for due to confusion about the set-up. It's really not that complicated anyway. I will be happy to explain any details of it which you are not yet grasping.
??
B. I'm not actually voting for him.
A. How does one determine if someone is legitimately confused or pretending to be confused?
B. But yet, you're still attacking him.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Randomness. Whatever.
Comment on coin claim. Non-committal, leaves door open on potential for claim.
I'll give coins to Iso. But maybe I won't if he's scummy. No contribution. Possible buddying?
Responds to pinkys_brain. No contribution.
"We should hunt scum!" As opposed to not doing that?
Defends poggy by piggybacking on previous argument. No contribution to current events.
"I have nothing to much to contribute". Bad excuse is bad.
??? Parrots pinkys_brain, then states what happens.
Absolute non-committal. Either the people voting Iso are scum, or the people who unvote Iso are scum. Because the waters aren't nearly muddy enough.
"Hey guys, do you mind if I lurk some more?"
Eight posts in six days. Barely any content. Promises of posts to come, with no posts to follow up. Hardcore lurking.
Vote: SharkFinnigan
{Magic: The RPG}
RVS stage. But that reminds me: Unvote
Was unsure how to play the set up. Only info we had were coins. I was waiting to see what everyone's opinion was first. I saw the logic of both sides, but it was early on so I was not going to go out and make a dumb move that helps scum more than town.
I'm fairly new to this site. This is my second game here and I'm still getting the feel for this. From what I've seen, Iso in a lot of things, so if he's town, then he's a very experienced town, which from my experience, is probably someone to listen to. Yes, if he's off, I won't give him my coins (if I could to begin with). But it still could potentially be good to give someone in town coins to do stuff. But that, I've determined, is later, rather than sooner.
As opposed to spending all ou efforts on the game mechanics. We spent too much time on it. Too much confusion with it. I'm trying to still igest everything going on. All I've got out of it was
1. People just need to read the first posts again.
2. poggydude claim coin to begin with.
3. Albus gambit roleplay deal with a passive agressive stance with Iso.
4. Iso speedwagon
Do you not believe the speed of the wagon felt off? It just felt like it just jumped out of nowhere. I still don't like that.
As for the non-commital part: Vote Albus
I don't like his gambit.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Have you ever seen Iso scum gambit? Have you seen Iso town gambit?
Your whole case on Iso was basically Iso being Iso. Nothing more. Now you want to use his words against him....pfft
1) I doubt scum will lie about their coins. It's stupid and pointless
2) if scum lie there is no one to figure out if they are telling the truth this game until they are dead.
In other words mass claiming coins = pointless
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
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Stop speculating on the setup. Scumhunt.
Dagger: Prod WoD, please. And anyone else who needs it.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I say, along the lines of what I think Emo is saying, we play Mafia and use the mechanics as a papertrail later. And also I still say that starts with an Iso lynch or one other I'm starting to wonder about, but falls under the "usual suspect" catagory.... sticking with my Iso read for now.
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Mafia Results, Links, and Stats
Votecount
Albus (4) - Iso, Emo_Pinata, pinkys_brain, SharkFinnigan
Iso (2) - Artifice 101, poggydude
SharkFinnigan (1) - Caex Kothar
It takes 7 to Lynch with 12 alive.
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Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
I misread somewhere gambit for gimmick. In either case, the roleplaying I feel doesn't do us any good. It just feels off to me. Idk.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
No. You were driving another mislynch on me. Do something useful instead of shouting, "LYNCH ISO!" at the thread. It's not going to happen, and I'm not "playing innocent". Do you have an issue with my case on Albus? If so, you haven't addressed it, as I requested. Why not? If you don't, I can only assume you don't have any problems with the case, and have no reason for your vote not to be on him, as such.
I can only assume you're referring to pinkys_brain.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I don't like the fencesitting. Waiting back and not taking a stance.
Tell me what this experience is.
A wagon that stalled at 4 votes. What do you, if anything, take from the iso wagon?
Your also coming across uncertain about your vote on Albus. This all sounds like fluff to blend in and add yourself to the wagon.
Vote SharkFinnigan
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Why did you not say anything about point a until after a wagon started?
@Artfice
Will you be answering the qustions I asked or continue to push on Iso for weak reasons you haven't explained the difference for and continue to remind me of Flame warriors?
Question are below:
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
You are not the only one that feels that way, and it's why I have significantly downplayed the roleplay since then. It wasn't even a game thing, it's just part of this personality. English kind of snobbishness, over the top vocabulary use, referencing "logic" every 5 minutes, etc etc. Albus has a lot of quirks.
Who are your other suspects at this time? I would like to see you post more in general. I find your posts to be insightful. If you don't mind, could you do a town/scum list and post your thoughts on everyone?
@PB: Because I didn't think it was enough to vote him yet. It's also better not to attack Iso until you have something behind it, otherwise he will just get you lynched instead of himself. Strong players with strong reputations are not the kind of people you just casually sling mud at. There are others like Cyan or AsianInvasion etc who I would treat similarly.
Now a question for you: Why are you protecting Iso so fiercely? It honestly doesn't make much sense to be protecting anyone on Day 1 unless you have strong reasons to believe they are on your team.
What in our hypothosis makes Iso scum? I also notice you didn't answer my question about Iso with gambits. Have you seen Iso do gambits before as town or scum?
You do realize that your vote came on Iso without waiting for Poggy to come back and defend hiself and that you basically put Iso at L-2 rather quickly?
Did you miss that bit or did I imagine the L-2 you put Iso on?
You believe Iso was scummy enough to put at L-2 based on something that is typically Iso behavior (null) and something you called flailing that is not flailing but sarcasm.
The last time Iso was attacked this way was Flame Warriors. This is reminding me of that game.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
I'm pretty sure the last time Iso was attacked this way was Voyager. But, that was a crazy cult gamble. Iso could have been lucky enough to gain two coins, put in his bid first at the vig house, and gambitted asking for coins to see who he wants to shoot tonight. Or Iso is just being Iso.
I still think what Iso did was the proper play...after day three or so when there was more proof other than his word that he was Town.
God this game is confusing.
Maybe Iso got the first bid at the beggar's sect. And then gambitted his asking for coins to see who to investigate.
What?
Cop is 3. Vig is 5.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vig is five coins.
City watch is three.
Hasn't had a chance. You can only bid during night, and if I remember correctly, night 0 was a no-ability night.
Here, hopefully this will clear up the rules for everyone and we can finally move on from the confusion:
Ability 1: Guild of Coins
When a person is lynched, all his coins go to the Guild of Coins. Once the Guild of Coins reaches 3 coins, every player gets 1 coin and the Guild is reset to 0 coins, and the amount of coins needed for this same thing to happen again increases by 2 coins.
Ability 2: Courier Post
During Day, you may PM the mod with the name of the player you wish to donate 1 coin to. 1 coin will be taken from you and given to that player anonymously at the beginning of the next Night. This ability fails if either player is no longer alive of if the donating player has no coin to give.
Ability 3: City Watch
During day, any player may give the Watch 3 coins. This immediately imposes a 12-day deadline. This ability will automatically occur if a number of real-life days pass equal to the number of living players multiplied by 2.
Ability 4: Beggar's Sect
During Night, any player may PM the mod with a bid of X tokens and a living player's name. Whoever has the largest offer loses coins equal to their bid, and learns the alignment of the player they specified. Only the winning bid loses coins. The investigation can be used a total of 3 times. After that, it doesn't work anymore.
Ability 5: King's Justice
During Day, any player may give the King's Justice 5 coins. The first player to do so will gain a 1-shot vig the following night. This ability can only be used 1 time total.
Ability 6: Dark Cult
During Night, you may give 1 coin to the Cult. If you do, any actions targeting you will fail that night. Every time you use this ability, the cost increases by 1 coin.
Ability 7: Holy Tabernacle
During Night, you may give 1 coin to the Tabernacle. If you do, any ability you use that night cannot be prevented. This bypasses the Dark Cult's ability. Every time you use this ability, the cost increases by 1 coin.
Does that make it more clear? I hope it does. Content to come later tonight.
{Magic: The RPG}
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When I get an uninterupted half an hour at my folk's house, or the machine back, I'll elaborate.
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Wait, how is this three? It can only be used three times, but a bid of 1 or 2 could win it, right?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Well we already know nobody has 3 or more right now.
Correct. Iso was mistaken.
The highest bid will win the investigation. In the case of a tie for highest bid, whoever got their bid in first will get it.
And there are only 3 investigations available. Once it's been bid on and used three times, it's gone for good.
{Magic: The RPG}
So if Iso didn't know the rules and genuinely thought it was 3, it couldn't have been a gambit like I stated earlier.
Unless he's lying about not knowing it was 3. Which is something Iso would do.
Darn it. I hate self-WIFOM.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
In the mean time being useless and continuing meta reference with no proof does nothing from me with you.
You think you have issues I have a computer lap top that is so old I think it was the first one out of the factory. I have almost passed out waiting for the websites to come up. Don't even ask me for research right now.
@Arnn: Lets forget for a moment there is a mechanic to this game. Who is currently on your scum list and why?'
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
I honestly don't know. I took the V/LA thing when everything was calmer and I haven't really had the time or energy to catch up. I've been focusing too much on the mechanics too. I know this is no excuse.
Let me give you this. Tomorrow morning I'll read through the whole thread and comment on every post I find scummy. Then, I'll tally up the comments and go with my gut on who I think is scum and why. But I'm too tired to do it tonight. So let me get a good night's sleep and I'll answer your question.
Which would be why I said "Randomness".
I was actually using it as a point. In all your posts, 1/6th of them were in the RVS.
This reads as very fence-sitty to me. What I read here is "Wanted to see which way the wind was blowing before I commented".
I actually agree that if we're going to give out coins, it should be to an experienced player who is giving off strong town vibes. What I don't agree with is saying who we'll be giving our coins too. Leaves the door a little too open for the scum to screw everyone over with a well-placed nightkill.
Again, very fence-sitty. The only thing you're doing here is stating what happened. You give no opinions, no analysis, nothing one way or the other.
This, on the other hand, says plenty. What it says is "Uh-oh, someone noticed I'm being too cautious and not actually commenting on current events."
Not only do you jump on the current most popular wagon after someone calls you out for not contributing, you do it without giving any reasons beyond a single sentence. That screams "opportunism" to me.
I'm pretty happy with my vote at the moment.
{Magic: The RPG}
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Albus (4) - Iso, Emo_Pinata, pinkys_brain, SharkFinnigan
Iso (2) - Artifice 101, poggydude
SharkFinnigan (2) - Caex Kothar, Archmage Eternal
It takes 7 to Lynch with 12 alive.
Yes, my Lord.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Poggydude - Post 8
Calls for a coin claim and admits he only has one. Not much you can do with only one coin at this stage of the game. Null tell because Poggy seems to always ask for a mass claim. Poggy also seems to hate RVS, so this is a way to get us out of it.
Caex Kothar - Post 9
FOS instead of a vote this early on in the game? RVS isn’t even over. Scum points for not placing his vote on someone.
Caex Kother - Post 11
“Not enough to vote for him…”; dude, you’re putting him at L-6. If you are going to make a statement, at least have some bravado in it.
Iso - Post 13
The infamous “everyone should give me all their coins” post. I’ve already explained how this might be a sound strategy; but maybe on Day Three when there are definite lines in the sand and wagons to analyze.
Page Two
Iso - Post 16
Lays out a really complicated plan. Then he backpedals and says he’s not ready to do it yet. Then why give the scum your plan? As for Iso claiming that he needs coins because he plays vanilla badly: he knew the setup of the game. He signed up for it. This is a poor excuse for his argument to give him coins.
SharkFinnigan - Post 20 and 22
Shark acquiesces to Iso’s request if he finds him Townie at the end of the day. Do mafia have daychat?
Emo Pinata @ 23 / Pinky’s Brain @ 30
Confusion over the game mechanics. Seems like general confusion.
Page Three
Albus - Post 39
“I propose that tonight, all town members that are not otherwise occupied, should bid on the cop scan with as much as they feel comfortable spending to make sure it doesn't fall into scum hands.” I don’t like this one bit. It’s basically saying “hey town, waste your time bidding and not using other abilities or saving your coins for bigger things because I’m under the assumption that the mafia doesn’t have a player with 2 coins.” Insider information? Or just poor strategy?
Page Four
Artifice - Post 50
Artifice basically sums up everything I’ve been writing so far. Town points for Artifice.
Albus - Post 55
Arbitrarily throwing out numbers. Assumes the scum bankroll is four. Because if it were 5, they could vig someone. But I think this is evidence that the scum do not have daychat. Let’s look at it this way: if the scum had the maximum amount of coins (6), they’d have 2 a piece. Even if they give the “leader” one coin each, that’s still not enough for the vig shot tonight. So, I don’t know why Albus is so worried that he’s spilling information on the scum’s bankroll.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP GIVING MAFIA IDEAS ON HOW TO USE THEIR BANKROLL
Artifice - Post 56
Artifice agrees with me yet again.
Albus - Post 58
“It is appalling that you are arguing for a course of action which results in the town losing cop scans. Are you scum?” Appalling? He just suggested a different strategy than you. If you’re going to shoot down a player and call them scum because of a different plan, then not even place a vote on them, I’m going to think you’re scummy.
Page Five
Pinky’s Brain - Post 62
Tells Emo_Pinata in particular not to let the scum know the best course of action. However, we already have given them a lot of things on a silver platter.
Emo Pinata - Post 66
The Iso wagon starts to get steam.
Page Six
Caex Kother and Iso start going back and forth.
I’m leaning on Iso’s side in this debate. Caex Kothar seems overzealous and trying to build a case on the back of Iso simply asking Emo what her suggestions were. If Caex really wanted to ream Iso, he’d mention the “give me all your coins” gamble. But either he’s forgot about it or he’s saving it for later.
Page Seven
Caex Kother - Post 92
“That aside, I would like more people to comment on the Iso wagon. Preferably people who aren't involved in it. Outside perspective and all that. Albus and pinkys_brain in particular.” Why these two? Am I missing something here?
Caex Kothar - Post 95
Presenting a case on one issue: Iso’s interaction with Emo. Apparently, he doesn’t find the “give me all your coins” too big of an issue. I know if I were fighting against Iso, that would be my main ammunition. But Caex seems to ignore it for some reason.
Pinky’s Brain - Post 101
Being at L-2 in a game with roles is like a yellow light at an intersection. Sure, you can run it, but if you get caught you’re gonna get a ticket. It’s best to stop, get information, and then proceed with caution.
[B]HOWEVER, in this game, L-2 doesn’t mean anything. What are you going to claim? Your coin count? If two people hammer at L-2 to lynch the subject in question; two people will have ended on a lot of people’s scumdar.
Albus - Post 102
“You’re wrong Albus. But, I concur with you that Iso is scum. Because of evidence that I have that I won’t reveal. I guess I’ll vote for him even though he’s at L-2.” Scum. Scum. Scum.
Caex Kothar - Post 103
Unvotes Iso. You think if his case was strong enough to basically rail him for a majority of his posts for Day One, he’d have pushed for a lynch. But obviously, his case isn’t strong enough.
Iso - Post 105
Iso defends himself against Caex’s ghost case.
Page Eight
Iso - Post 106
Iso starts a pretty convincing case against Albus.
Caex - Post 110
Defends his post against Iso. I don’t think the emperor has new clothes
Emo - Post 111
Emo defends Iso. This is especially noteworthy because Caex’s whole case was Iso trying to get Emo to spill her guts.
Albus - Post 112
Everything about Iso’s case in this post is META. This is a “classical scum tell”, means, “other people have done this in other games, and you’re doing it now, ergo you must be scum.”
@Albus: Find me another game like this where scum turned out to be playing the same way Iso is.
Archmage Eternal - Post 116
How many times has Archmage said he needs to think? Think outloud then so we get to know what’s going on. This way, you’re just lurking.
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Albus - Post 121
If you’ve been roleplaying, I’ve certainly missed it. It seems you’ve just been attacking Iso for unsubstantiated reasons.
Iso - Post 128
Iso defends himself against Caex and Albus. It should be noted that while he didn’t completely hand wave their cases, he did ask them to dredge more information on his case. Which they can’t, because there is none. Is this hand waving? I don’t think so. I think he’s trying to prove a point that they can’t put a solid case against him besides conjecture.
Caex - Post 129
But if I didn't point it out and E_P did indeed answer, it's a boon for the scum. You get to probe into E_P's head, but the scum get two free ideas, one or both of which could be good and possibly more threatening to the town than whatever goals they currently are persuing. I mean, I know I'm new to the game and all, but to me it just seems logical to stop that kind of situation before it happens.” Do you honestly think the scum are stupid enough that they can’t make their own decisions and have to barn off of town? Caex, the more you mention this, the more it seems like you’re trying to distance yourself from scum.
Artifice - Post 133
Artifice brings up the coins. This is the first time the coins have been brought up in a couple of pages. I agree that it’s the best thing against Iso, but Artifice refuses to acknowledge Caex and Albus’s case. Why? Because it’s full of holes. He also brings up “echoes of the past” but then refuses to tell us what they are. So essentially, he’s voting Iso for asking for coins and not addressing the rest of his case. Seems solid to me.
Albus - Post 142
“Because there is no evidence to support a hypothesis of me being scum.” How about how your case against Iso is full of holes? How about you hand waving any type of fire you come under?
U]Caex - Post 147
Caex has a vote. Let me repeat that: At this stage of the game, Caex has not put a vote on anyone yet he says this: Double FoS: poggy. Does anybody but me find this odd?
Post 155 is where I “came back”, so unless something really strikes me as odd, I’ve already commented on it already
Caex - Post 161
Caex divorces himself from Iso and Poggy and starts a new case (with a vote this time!) against Shark.
Archmage Eternal - Post 171
“I don't like the fencesitting. Waiting back and not taking a stance.” Do you not like lurking either? Because from what I can tell so far in this game, you are fence sitting and waiting back and not taking a stance.
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Scum
Lord of House Albus
Lord of House Caex Kothar
Lurker/Neutral/Need to Post More
Lord off House Archmage Eternal
Lord of House MirrorEntity
Lord of House SharkFinnigan
Lady of House Wrath_of_DoG
Probably Town
Lord of House Artifice 101
Lord of House Iso
Lord of House poggydude
Town
Lord of House Arnnaria
Lady of House Emo_Pinata
Lady of House pinkys_brain
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That being said…
Vote Caex Kothar
I’d vote for Albus, but I don’t want a quick hammer before people have a chance to read my post.
??? And you're going on about my "ghost case"? Because I didn't vote for someone I found slightly suspicious, I'm scummy?
RVS stage is not an excuse for doing blatantly scummy things. Poggy's attempt at starting a coin claim was a bad idea. I found it suspicious, but I wasn't ready to vote him based on a single post.
I found his idea for a claim to be bad, and I was using the FoS as a way of saying "I've got my eye on you" without voting him. I can't understand how that's at all scummy...
I find this ironic, given your statements later in this quote bundle. More on that later.
I've already admitted my case may have been a bit overzealous. I still think Iso trying to extract info from Emo was scummy, but I blew the other parts out of proportion in regards to scummy actions.
I simply didn't find the coin thing as scummy or townie. I read it as Iso-related sillyness. Of course he wants coins. Everyone wants coins. Iso is simply crazy/silly enough to ask everyone for them. I never read it as a totally serious request. Maybe he does want people to give him coins, but he couldn't honestly believe anyone was going to give them to him. Your constant harping on that point rubs me the wrong way.
pinkys_brain seemed to be completely ignoring my exchages with Iso. She posted several times without so much as mentioning it. I was curious as to why and wanted to see what she'd say.
Albus was Iso's vote. I wanted to see if he'd side with me simply because Iso was railing against him or if he'd try to make his own case against Iso.
See above.
I already admitted my case was reaching a bit. I found Iso scummy, but he defended himself well enough that I wanted to rethink my position.
Not even sure what this means. The fact that I unvoted and yet still took time to defend my posts against Iso should show you that I truly thought my original point was valid.
This makes me go :eyebrow:.
I already quoted where you told everyone to stop giving the scum ideas. Now you're lambasting me for saying the same thing? Why the 180?
And no, I don't think the scum are stupid. But I think E_P leading with "If I were scum, here's the two best things I could think of to persue" is a dangerous situation. At best, he says two things the scum were already thinking and the threat to the town is minimal. At worst, he gives them two new ideas that they hadn't considered and makes the situation more dangerous for the town. How is that distancing?
It's a no-win situation for the town. Either nothing is gained, or the scum gain new ideas.
Actually I was voting Iso early. It started as an RVS stage vote, but I specifically said I was considering it as a serious vote after I started in on Iso.
The "double FoS" thing was me saying "I've already FoS'd poggy. Now I'm FoSing him again". I didn't vote because I was planning on doing a re-read and updating all my notes, then putting my vote on whoever I found most scummy throughout the entire game. What I ended up finding was SharkFinnigan.
I'd already backed off Iso earlier. Saying I just now divorced myself from Iso is disingenuous. Poggy was one person I was planning on focusing on in my re-read, but SharkFinnigan caught my attention much more strongly.
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I apologize if some of the post comes off as disjointed, but I started writing at 3 AM and didn't stop until 5 AM.
I just have one question in response to you: Do you think the Albus wagon is justified?
The first quote is the vote count before your post.
The second quote is you Double FOS Poggy. Your vote was not on Iso.
Generally, it's considered scummy when people FOS someone instead of just voting for them when their vote is not tied up with another person.
Yet, you've done this twice in the game.
I think Iso's case on Albus was fairly good, but Albus' responses are what push him into the "Scummy" side of the spectrum for me. His trying to use "Lol jk guys I'm roleplaying" as an excuse to change his behaviour reeks of trying to explain away something suspicious in as hasty a way as possible. If my vote weren't on Shark, I would probably put it on Albus. Though I don't know if I'd be happy putting anyone at L-2 and into claim range without giving WoD and MirrorEntity a chance to speak.
And his attitude in some of his responses against Iso are completely dismissive instead of defending himself. He's going on about how Iso was "playing the noob card" or whatever when anyone who knows anything about mafia on MTGS couldn't possibly think that. Iso is very experienced and could never be considered a "noob". That just seems like Albus is grasping at straws for a reason to vote Iso.
As of right now, Albus and Shark are my top suspects, with poggy bringing up the rear for pushing the coin claim so hard.
I'm not sure of the point of this post.
I already said I unvoted Iso after he defended himself from me well. Then I put my double FoS on poggy, but didn't vote because I was planning on doing an entire reread of the game and putting my vote on whoever I found most suspicious. Thirteen posts after I FoS'd poggy I voted Shark because I completed my reread. If I'd have voted poggy and then, not even twenty posts later, unvoted and voted Shark, would you have considered that scummy?
Am I wrong in thinking that quickly boucing your votes around is considered scummy? If so, you'd be basically going after me for a lose-lose situation. Either I'm scum for not voting poggy, or I'm scum for voting poggy then quickly switching to Shark thirteen posts later.
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I'm just pointing out a "tell" that many people have used. In fact, it's been used on me in the past which is why I'm trying to explain to you that it is a scum tell. Yes, vote jumping would've been another tell, but if you already knew you were going to re-read, why even bother posting at all?
If you feel as if something needed to be said, there are plenty of other ways to go about it. You could simply state "I need to do a readthrough, but right now I'm leaning Poggy as scum." But doing a FOS without a vote for the second time makes it seem like you don't want to be responsible for what might happen.
Because I wanted everyone to know that I thought poggy's post was a bad one? I'm not sure why you're going on about this. If I find a post suspicious, I'm going to comment on it. Doesn't matter if I'm about to do a reread or not. Bad posts need to be commented on. I explained why I thought it was a bad post, but since I was planning a reread, I wasn't going to cast a vote at that time.
Really? I was more or less setting myself up for a poggy vote. I found two of his posts to be suspicious and I absolutely would have ended up voting poggy after my reread if I found more things I didn't like.
But Shark caught my attention much more strongly than poggy, so I shifted my attention from "person who's posts I didn't like" to "person who is hardcore lurking and absolutely not contributing while trying to pretend he really is".
{Magic: The RPG}
You claim your top suspects are me and Albus. You criticize my vote on Albus and are voting me. Wouldn't that make Albus town in that case, or at the very least leaning town?
You seem to have a backup plan in case you fail to lynch or mislynch me.
I dont like that.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
I criticized your vote on Albus because it was opportunistic, not because I thought Albus was town.
Albus is a popular person to vote, and there's certainly a reason for that, but you voted him without any kind of reasoning and only after I called you on not doing anything the whole game. You posted a single sentence regarding your reason for casting said vote, and that sentence was pretty nebulous and very broad. It gives you lots of room to rationalize your vote if someone asks you about it without committing you too heavily to the Albus wagon if it falls apart. Very opportunistic indeed.
{Magic: The RPG}
Not all who achieved greatness retain it.
Today though, was such a moment.
For a Great House had foolishly looked outward to those whom it perceived as greater threats.
And ignored the very dissension with its own ranks.
Murder.
Betrayal.
Death.
Cousins against cousins.
Bannermen against bannermen.
And when the ashes settled, a new Great House reigned.
And ranks were closed once again.
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Effective immediately, Nis has replaced Wrath_of_DoG.
Lord of House Nis
Emblem: A red face on a silver field
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Votecount
Albus (4) - Iso, Emo_Pinata, pinkys_brain, SharkFinnigan
Iso (2) - Artifice 101, poggydude
SharkFinnigan (2) - Caex Kothar, Archmage Eternal
Caex Kothar (1) - Arnnaria
It takes 7 to Lynch with 12 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15