It's weekend and most people are busy I guess. There isn't much content for me to analyze. Artifice seems likely to be scum, but it's hard to build a case with so few posts.
Honestly, the biggest thing working against Artifice right now IMO, is my experience with him in past games. I usually get a very strong town read from him very quickly. I'm getting a very scummy read form him here, and it's the first time I've felt that way after 2.5 games with him. (The two completed games he was town in.)
And which games were those? Without talking about ongoing games at length, you should be able to name them.
Because you're missing the obvious differences about this game, not the least of which is I'm trying to lighten up my play. There's more, but I await your reply.
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You felt town to me in both of those games, as evidenced by the parts where I argued against your mislynches. (Wow, you get mislynched a lot as town.)
Not so much here.
Actually I don't. Read my stats. L(1,2,whatever) is shorthand for lynches, and N(1,2,whatever) is shorthand for Nightkilled.
I get Nightkilled much more often than lynched.
And as to those two games, I had more information in one than I have here. ST:V specifically was a mega-flavor game and I was a Miller. Plenty to talk about.
Cyberpunk there was a ton going on Day 1 with the two scum teams. The moves were pretty heavy and therefore easier to talk through.
This game, no one seems to be doing anything strong yet. Why is that? I see a ton of what looks like scum hunting, but no commitment. Foxlet seems to be the only one trying to parse through the relationships.
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Hmm? I'm saying that I am getting a scum read on him. My past two games with him I got very towny reads from him. This game he feels like he's playing very differently and it feels scummy.
I'm coming into this hot off two games in a row with Artifice.
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She makes copies of identical letters to be sent to Gricky, poggy, Art, Dragon, Reya and Dad.
Several of you seem to have past history with the poggy fellow which was unknown to me. You seem to have been aware of his propensity to cause problems within the investigations. As I was not aware of these facts, I took his behavior at face value as he seemed to sincerely think they would truly help the investigation move forward. I will say again, I did not think it was appropriate because no information had been gathered at that point. It would be no better than choosing a person at random and forcing them to confess their secrets, in which case we may as well choose him for having such a terrible idea.
I was aware of Dragons lifestyle choice, by reading out of town news sites, however I never did fully trust that. To have one try to take advantage of it for gain is what made me cast my suspicion on poggy. I did have to wonder a bit at Dragons defensiveness, however from my other information sources out of town it seems like a common habit of his so I'm not going to read too much into it at this time.
This is an acceptable explanation for your presence on the Pog wagon. I forget that you are relatively new to the game, it's just that you have an air of experience around you.
Finally a question for you all. What are your thoughts on tordeck and Archmage?
AE: He's only got a handful of posts with a good amount of No-Content posts. He's neutral to leaning scum for me.
Tordeck: Has played fairly neutral so far. His left-field seagull attack onto Duca raised my eyebrow, but I'm still keeping him in neutral for the time being.
It's weekend and most people are busy I guess. There isn't much content for me to analyze. Artifice seems likely to be scum, but it's hard to build a case with so few posts.
Honestly, the biggest thing working against Artifice right now IMO, is my experience with him in past games. I usually get a very strong town read from him very quickly. I'm getting a very scummy read form him here, and it's the first time I've felt that way after 2.5 games with him. (The two completed games he was town in.)
Anything you got to back up the bolded statement, or is it just the difference in your immidiate gut feeling? Substantiate your claims or subject yourself to more questions sir.
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It's weekend and most people are busy I guess. There isn't much content for me to analyze. Artifice seems likely to be scum, but it's hard to build a case with so few posts.
Honestly, the biggest thing working against Artifice right now IMO, is my experience with him in past games. I usually get a very strong town read from him very quickly. I'm getting a very scummy read form him here, and it's the first time I've felt that way after 2.5 games with him. (The two completed games he was town in.)
I agree with you on Arti being possible scum. I was unaware of poggydude’s meta at the beginning of games and Arti jumped at me when he saw the chance.
Would you mind going through ST: V and Cyperpunk and bring up some meta against Arti so that we have something more solid than gut?
This game, no one seems to be doing anything strong yet. Why is that? I see a ton of what looks like scum hunting, but no commitment. Foxlet seems to be the only one trying to parse through the relationships.
If poggydude’s play wasn’t strong, then why did you vote me? I don’t see you voting for someone over a weak play done by another player.
@Pog and Void: How many games have you played with each other, if any?
Also, Void does bring up a good point concerning Art. There have been a number of big things happen since the beginning of the day, mostly instigated by Pog and his interactions. So to say that there's nothing strong so far is fairly inaccurate. That statement almost reads as "I can't really find a townie doing anything wrong" instead of what is written. IGMEOY Art.
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I found poggydude's play to be scummy, but apprently that is not the case according to others.
Slowly trying to find a way to backpeddle....
I agree with you on Arti being possible scum. I was unaware of poggydude’s meta at the beginning of games and Arti jumped at me when he saw the chance.
Obvious OMGUS sentiment. Just waiting for the chance to flip on his attacker, now that he sees the poggy wagon has stalled.
Would you mind going through ST: V and Cyperpunk and bring up some meta against Arti so that we have something more solid than gut?
Yes, by all means, please help the scummiest player in the game so far [Void] with his opportunistic voting patern and still virtually unexplained attack on poggy, other than to repeat what had already been said in the game
If poggydude’s play wasn’t strong, then why did you vote me? I don’t see you voting for someone over a weak play done by another player.
Now you're just stringing words together....
There's a group of people persecuting poggy when poggy appears to be baiting a scum wagon. You are one of them. I say that makes you scum and some number of them (with perhaps one straggler) the scum team.
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So I barned another player even though the play was anti-town. Poggydude threw out logic and said lynch Dragonheart for something that is not indicative of alignment at all. I understand that we do not know Dragonheart's role, but I still find that to be too much of risk for the play that poggydude was suggesting.
Vouldn't it be vise to vatch and see iv a vagon started vorming on dragon? See vhich player/s jumped on? Also see the reactions from dragon?
This game, in contrast to Cyberpunk, has been very sedate. That game was aggro as all hell partially because Cyan was in the game and partially because there were 6 scum on two, three-player scum teams. It was also a 24 player game.
So no, this game has not been even remotely as aggressive/active. Hence the word "strong".
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He was lynched Day 2-3ish in Cyberpunk when he slipped on coloring something wrong and I caught him in it. Cyan jumped all over it and started hounding him. He fired back with a swear against his children. Through the exchange I realize he was town even though I was the one who called out his mistake. Cyan made sure he got lynched anyway because he felt that swearing on one's children is deserving of a policy lynch.
In STV Mafia, he was a Miller. He got lynched Day 2. I had other suspects I wanted to lynch and I felt that he was town, (Even after he hammered me!) but I eventually agreed with his lynch because almost everyone else was claiming a power role and lynching a Miller is a relatively safe play. I didn't actually vote for him though, because someone else surprise hammered him.
Both games I felt he was town early on and only had that shaken by other people, and both times I came around back to realizing he was town by the time he got mislynched.
As for my case on Artifice, it comes from these posts:
How does this even make sense? Iso is just the NPC death at the beginning of the game. Why hold a grudge for what basically translates as a piece of furniture?
I still don't feel like his plan is townie enough to make sense. That being said, I won't vote him for virtually the same reasons you have. He's too "out there" at the moment, and given time I think he'll hang himself as scum.
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So wait. His roleplay isn't ok, but everyone else's is? Why? I think he's playing his character as a tragic, brooding figure. Not commenting in a scummy way.
Can we ask you to post more? I hate that you're so hard to read because of your post frequency.
Vote Void because this wagon is way too fast and this sounds like the biggest Sunday School answer/opportunistic "/barn" vote yet.
Damnit, why did you guys (Arch, Fox, jd apparently) have to get all the fun ones?
Right now, my radar is up because these same roleplay shenanigans broke Flame Warriors for the scum (one of which was yours truly), but at the same time one of the scum in that game role played, and another faked a post restriction.
That being said, this flavor is much more generalized in this game. I'd say just about anybody could be just about any role, if Wuffles has a wacky imagination. So it can't hurt too badly, can it?
I'm just infinitely curious who the scum would be, flavorfully. Human, vampire, werewolf...? The possibilities boggle, given what I know about my role.
I already responded to those posts with my case here:
This post really pings my scumdar. It's trying to accuse roleplaying (a neutral action as far as I'm concerned) of being scummy. Then he's breadcrumbing for potential falseclaims. Then he tries to figure out what race everyone is. (To protect himself from falseclaiming incorrectly possibly?) Oh, then he drops a breadcrumb that will let him spread more wifom.
FoS Artifice 101
I feel like we should run him up to L-2 first so that he doesn't have a chance to see anyone else claim first.
He hasn't posted any significant content since then, so I still just have those three posts and my gut feeling to go on.
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As for my case on Artifice, it comes from these posts:
-proceeds to list Art posts-
Ok, so you listed a bunch of quotes from Art together and called it your case so far, but you don't actually explain anything. So, keep digging soldier, you need to tell me what makes those posts scummy and how do they explain your stance on Art as of now? Posting quotes isn't good enough, you have to explain them too.
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And your "case" is 97, which you are trying to say I haven't replied to or said anything significant since. I've replied to each and every thing you've said since.
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I posted them out of order because I was reading the thread and opened quotes in different tabs, then just pasted them all into the thread in no particular order. I didn't say you hadn't replied to my case, merely that you hadn't put significant content into the club since then. In addition, I'm not convinced by your replies. (Although my case isn't terribly strong sadly...)
And now we are back at the present where I have a few things making me suspicious, your overall behavior feels off, and my gut says you are scum.
Ok, so you listed a bunch of quotes from Art together and called it your case so far, but you don't actually explain anything. So, keep digging soldier, you need to tell me what makes those posts scummy and how do they explain your stance on Art as of now? Posting quotes isn't good enough, you have to explain them too.
I quoted my post that responded to those and pointed out what I found scummy as well. It's right below the three quotes from Artifice. I suppose I can go over it again if you need me to...
-Artifice seemed to be fishing for information.
-Artifice claimed a Twilight character, which I doubt is in the game by mod-gaming. (Mod hates Twilight no?)
-Artifice claimed for little reason far before L-2. Possibly just throwing out a safe-claim at the first sign of danger?
-Artifice attacks people for roleplaying, which is a neutral action. This reads like scum desperately looking for something to go after.
-Artifice jumps on a bandwagon with his reasoning being that the person he's voting for was jumping on bandwagons too easily.
-Artifice, the legendary flavor gamer, makes an excuse why he can't flavor game in this set-up.
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@Artifice: I think you are off your rocker about Void. poggydude legitimately reads as scummy and Void legitimately didn't know that poggydude does that on purpose. It looks like you going for an easy target...
@AE: He's not scum because he's still alive. He's scum because he is acting waaay out of character. He's scum because normally he is obvious town (to me) and here he's one of the scummier players in the game.
And you are right, I should be speaking with my votes instead of my words. I didn't think I had a strong enough case to be worth a vote, but after reviewing it, I really do feel Artifice is the most likely of my suspects to be scum. Vote Artifice 101
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@AE: He's not scum because he's still alive. He's scum because he is acting waaay out of character. He's scum because normally he is obvious town (to me) and here he's one of the scummier players in the game.
-Artifice claimed a Twilight character, which I doubt is in the game by mod-gaming. (Mod hates Twilight no?)
Do you know who currently has an issue with me on MTGS? Wrath. Do you know that Wuffles and Wrath are brothers? Do you know that I'm betting this whole thing was a fun game of, "Lets see how we can troll Arti!" Good times.
-Artifice claimed for little reason far before L-2. Possibly just throwing out a safe-claim at the first sign of danger?
There's no risk in doing so. We've got players obviously claiming their character flavor, and you attacked me for talking about it by saying I was calling them scummy for doing so. I wasn't, so I added my name to the pile (I refuse to roleplay, Edward because I hate those movies/books moreso than most, which is a long story that would border on what people have been getting on my case about lately so I'll not explain it)
-Artifice attacks people for roleplaying, which is a neutral action. This reads like scum desperately looking for something to go after.
I was NOT attacking those people.
I was explaining what happened the last time large amounts of roleplaying happened in a game (Flame Warriors Mafia, a Normal sized game, which I as one of the scum totally crushed IN PART because of too much roleplaying)and giving examples about the whole thing. REREAD the post!
-Artifice jumps on a bandwagon with his reasoning being that the person he's voting for was jumping on bandwagons too easily.
I'm sorry, but last time I checked, a bandwagon needs a population before it can be a bandwagon. Yes?
I voted Void first. No one else had done so.
If I was looking for an easy, scummy way to play, why not just hop on poggydude's wagon and close out the "Night"? Explain that one to me? Why in the hell would I go against the flow??
-Artifice, the legendary flavor gamer, makes an excuse why he can't flavor game in this set-up.
Oh I can flavor game:
Archmage is The Count from Seaseme Street.
Foxlet is very, very likely Anita Blake.
And jdisawesomesauce seems to be Dracula, or at least I think so.
But what does that all mean?? I mean there's nothing there that indicates role assignment, just flavor! And there's only one Doctor vampire I can think of, but I'd rather not say who that is as I doubt they are in this game. Either way, what good does this do??
I can't flavorgame the scum in this game. They have to be, as I've speculated, something other than vampires, probably, right? But how do I sniff that out exactly with the info we have so far? You please, explain to me how that would work?? Not a rhetorical question.
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@Artifice: I think you are off your rocker about Void. poggydude legitimately reads as scummy and Void legitimately didn't know that poggydude does that on purpose. It looks like you going for an easy target...
How exactly is the NON-existant wagon an easy target, and the HUGE wagon NOT an easy target?
@AE: He's not scum because he's still alive. He's scum because he is acting waaay out of character. He's scum because normally he is obvious town (to me) and here he's one of the scummier players in the game.
You're scummier than me, bro. If I'm scum, who's working with me and my completely rogue evaluation of the game??
And you are right, I should be speaking with my votes instead of my words. I didn't think I had a strong enough case to be worth a vote, but after reviewing it, I really do feel Artifice is the most likely of my suspects to be scum.Vote Artifice 101
Who are your other suspects? Who else have you even spoken about being scummy besides me?
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Yes, by all means, please help the scummiest player in the game so far [Void] with his opportunistic voting patern and still virtually unexplained attack on poggy, other than to repeat what had already been said in the game
What opportunistic voting patern? I've only placed one vote in this game.
This game, in contrast to Cyberpunk, has been very sedate. That game was aggro as all hell partially because Cyan was in the game and partially because there were 6 scum on two, three-player scum teams. It was also a 24 player game.
So no, this game has not been even remotely as aggressive/active. Hence the word "strong".
I wasn't going to say anything, but Art brought it up, so I have to ask, is Anita Blake a vampire? I've been thinking Foxlet was Anita Blake too, although I'm unfamiliar with the books and flavor. I mentioned earlier that I had issues with Foxlet's RP and this is what I was talking about.
BTW, this is me flying the flag for the S.S. Flavorgame.
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I wasn't going to say anything, but Art brought it up, so I have to ask, is Anita Blake a vampire? I've been thinking Foxlet was Anita Blake too, although I'm unfamiliar with the books and flavor. I mentioned earlier that I had issues with Foxlet's RP and this is what I was talking about.
BTW, this is me flying the flag for the S.S. Flavorgame.
Yes, and she's a bunch more. The one thing she sure as hell shouldn't be (and this is married with the amount of effort Foxlet is putting in) is scum.
But Foxlet should not answer any more of this to confirm or deny. No reason. Do your own research GT I did.
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Yes, and she's a bunch more. The one thing she sure as hell shouldn't be (and this is married with the amount of effort Foxlet is putting in) is scum.
But Foxlet should not answer any more of this to confirm or deny. No reason. Do your own research GT I did.
I've done my research, I just didn't see where it said vampire. It said that she has some "magical skills of questionable content" that I won't expand on, and that she tends to hunt creatures of the fantastic, such as Vampires, which caused me concern. Guess I need to look for the vamp bit a bit harder then? I had assumed she was regular old human.
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is day one falseclaiming as town crazy enough for you?
Talking about Star Trek: Voyager?
Still one of the funniest moments in my Mafia career was counterclaiming you, then reading the rest of the game and realizing I was getting WAY ahead of myself.
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I wasn't going to say anything, but Art brought it up, so I have to ask, is Anita Blake a vampire? I've been thinking Foxlet was Anita Blake too, although I'm unfamiliar with the books and flavor. I mentioned earlier that I had issues with Foxlet's RP and this is what I was talking about.
Explain hov you thought she vas AB but knov nothing of her.
Explain hov you thought she vas AB but knov nothing of her.
About a week ago I found one of the books in the back of my friends car and skimmed it a bit. I found myself saying "Man, this reminds me of Foxlet a little bit" and then I put two and two together when I realized that this Anita Blake person that I was reading about dealt with Vampires and the like. So I wikied it and continued to look into the matter, becoming more convinced that Foxlet was AB. If she's actually roleplaying her own character that is.
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Still one of the funniest moments in my Mafia career was counterclaiming you, then reading the rest of the game and realizing I was getting WAY ahead of myself.
Honestly, the town won that game. I don't care who says otherwise. We lynched correctly 3/4 times and nailed people with our powers constantly. (And by "we", I mean people who aren't me. I was the only vanilla in the game... )
Oh geez, I hope I didn't just start another war.
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It was epic! It's a good thing our town was smart enough to realize poggydude was just being a moron, and wasn't scum.
Eh, lynching him then would have totally changed that game. Even with the perfect knowledge of what his alignment and role were in fact, I thought it was dumb for the town to not have lynched him there.
When does his stupid day 1 gambits stop being just that and start being a trust tell? "hey guys i always do dumb **** on d1 because i am not confident of my reads and such, hence why i am town now after making such a horrifically scummy play." I say we nip this in the butt here and now.
Honestly, the town won that game. I don't care who says otherwise. We lynched correctly 3/4 times and nailed people with our powers constantly. (And by "we", I mean people who aren't me. I was the only vanilla in the game... )
Oh geez, I hope I didn't just start another war.
We should stop discussion here on what happened in that game. The point has gotten across.
I'm still waiting for Arti to answer my question about this pattern he saw in me.
Eh, lynching him then would have totally changed that game. Even with the perfect knowledge of what his alignment and role were in fact, I thought it was dumb for the town to not have lynched him there.
When does his stupid day 1 gambits stop being just that and start being a trust tell? "hey guys i always do dumb **** on d1 because i am not confident of my reads and such, hence why i am town now after making such a horrifically scummy play." I say we nip this in the butt here and now.
Unvote, vote poggy
Wanna enlighten us as to why it's horrifically scummy and not just a questionable alternative to the norm? And that's if his plan was all serious, instead of looking like the "get us out of RVS" that it is.
Also, where is he not confidant in his reads? Seems pretty confidant about Void, no?
Weaksauce.
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Eh, lynching him then would have totally changed that game. Even with the perfect knowledge of what his alignment and role were in fact, I thought it was dumb for the town to not have lynched him there.
When does his stupid day 1 gambits stop being just that and start being a trust tell? "hey guys i always do dumb **** on d1 because i am not confident of my reads and such, hence why i am town now after making such a horrifically scummy play." I say we nip this in the butt here and now.
Unvote, vote poggy
You unvote poggydude to vote for Luca for bigger scum slip, but then go back to poggydude to "nip this in the butt". Yeah, I don't think so.
I am very much against policy lynches. That is completely unacceptable Tordeck. I am disappointed in you for trying that bull**** that passes for mafia around here.
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Wanna enlighten us as to why it's horrifically scummy and not just a questionable alternative to the norm? And that's if his plan was all serious, instead of looking like the "get us out of RVS" that it is.
[/quote} Going after someone just because they are the easiest isnt scummy to you?
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Also, where is he not confidant in his reads?
Direct paraphrase from comments he made in STVM and an ongoing game about why he plays the way he does.
You unvote poggydude to vote for Luca for bigger scum slip, but then go back to poggydude to "nip this in the butt". Yeah, I don't think so.
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First, when I said scumslip I was talking about Art and Duca, not poggy and Duca. Second I am allowed to reevaluate my opinion on which is the scummiest player as more posts are made. Thats how the game is played. Thirdly, glad to see your not gunna try and lurk your way to a victory here. Oh and nice deflection by the way.
[QUOTE=GrickyTimmick;/comments/10839210]Wanna enlighten us as to why it's horrifically scummy and not just a questionable alternative to the norm? And that's if his plan was all serious, instead of looking like the "get us out of RVS" that it is.
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Going after someone just because they are the easiest isnt scummy to you?
First, I tried fixing the broken quote and then realize that if I fix it then what I'm trying to actually quote will go wrong and junk. That's why the Asterisk is there.
Second, yes, that's exactly scummy to me. It's the reason that I'm on the case of everyone who's voting Pog so far, including you. Pog didn't go after someone who was the easiest, he had a planned alternative to the normal process of the day. Dragon wasn't the easiest, just theoretically the best lynch option according to Pog and his argument made sense, even if it's not a preferable idea to discussion and normal mafia play.
Now, everyone who saw this radical idea as something scummy was a suspect to me, because that's a perfect case of people targeting the easy player. "What? Someone proposed something that's outside the normal humdrum way of playing mafia? HE MUST BE SCUM!" is pretty flawed logic and an easy way to kickstart a mislynch. Fact is, the theory doesn't make Pog scum whatsoever, I've been saying this all damn day and nobody can argue with that. However, people still seem to be doing a perfectly fine job of calling it scummy without justifying why, so I guess I'll just keep making notes here.
Direct paraphrase from comments he made in STVM and an ongoing game about why he plays the way he does.
So you're just admitting this is a policy lynch now? Cause those things have nothing to do with this game, whatsoever. He's had reads in this game, he's defined his opinions and he's voted with clear reasoning so far. Your argument here completely ignores the actual content that Pog's had in this game.
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We should stop discussion here on what happened in that game. The point has gotten across.
I'm still waiting for Arti to answer my question about this pattern he saw in me.
*Sigh*
It was not a "Void pattern".
It was a game pattern, married with a lack of concern on how many votes poggy had.
My point is your vote was the scummiest vote because it was on an opportunistic wagon, and the only reason you had for it was a reason others had used. You basically repeated other people's problem with Poggy and made it your own. No work, lazy vote, midwagon <<<all of this makes you scum to me.
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Because you're missing the obvious differences about this game, not the least of which is I'm trying to lighten up my play. There's more, but I await your reply.
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You felt town to me in both of those games, as evidenced by the parts where I argued against your mislynches. (Wow, you get mislynched a lot as town.)
Not so much here.
I get Nightkilled much more often than lynched.
And as to those two games, I had more information in one than I have here. ST:V specifically was a mega-flavor game and I was a Miller. Plenty to talk about.
Cyberpunk there was a ton going on Day 1 with the two scum teams. The moves were pretty heavy and therefore easier to talk through.
This game, no one seems to be doing anything strong yet. Why is that? I see a ton of what looks like scum hunting, but no commitment. Foxlet seems to be the only one trying to parse through the relationships.
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Don't tell anybody
Very early here, and your vondering about Art not being rung up?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I'm coming into this hot off two games in a row with Artifice.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Vhen was he lynched in those 2 games?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
This is an acceptable explanation for your presence on the Pog wagon. I forget that you are relatively new to the game, it's just that you have an air of experience around you.
Also, something about your RPing feels off to me.
AE: He's only got a handful of posts with a good amount of No-Content posts. He's neutral to leaning scum for me.
Tordeck: Has played fairly neutral so far. His left-field seagull attack onto Duca raised my eyebrow, but I'm still keeping him in neutral for the time being.
Anything you got to back up the bolded statement, or is it just the difference in your immidiate gut feeling? Substantiate your claims or subject yourself to more questions sir.
I found poggydude's play to be scummy, but apprently that is not the case according to others.
I agree with you on Arti being possible scum. I was unaware of poggydude’s meta at the beginning of games and Arti jumped at me when he saw the chance.
Would you mind going through ST: V and Cyperpunk and bring up some meta against Arti so that we have something more solid than gut?
If poggydude’s play wasn’t strong, then why did you vote me? I don’t see you voting for someone over a weak play done by another player.
Also, Void does bring up a good point concerning Art. There have been a number of big things happen since the beginning of the day, mostly instigated by Pog and his interactions. So to say that there's nothing strong so far is fairly inaccurate. That statement almost reads as "I can't really find a townie doing anything wrong" instead of what is written. IGMEOY Art.
Obvious OMGUS sentiment. Just waiting for the chance to flip on his attacker, now that he sees the poggy wagon has stalled.
Yes, by all means, please help the scummiest player in the game so far [Void] with his opportunistic voting patern and still virtually unexplained attack on poggy, other than to repeat what had already been said in the game
Now you're just stringing words together....
There's a group of people persecuting poggy when poggy appears to be baiting a scum wagon. You are one of them. I say that makes you scum and some number of them (with perhaps one straggler) the scum team.
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Vouldn't it be vise to vatch and see iv a vagon started vorming on dragon? See vhich player/s jumped on? Also see the reactions from dragon?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
This game, in contrast to Cyberpunk, has been very sedate. That game was aggro as all hell partially because Cyan was in the game and partially because there were 6 scum on two, three-player scum teams. It was also a 24 player game.
So no, this game has not been even remotely as aggressive/active. Hence the word "strong".
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That's NOT what I am saying. He might never be mislynched if he is town. I mentioned the mislynches because I wanted to point out that I defended him.
He was lynched Day 2-3ish in Cyberpunk when he slipped on coloring something wrong and I caught him in it. Cyan jumped all over it and started hounding him. He fired back with a swear against his children. Through the exchange I realize he was town even though I was the one who called out his mistake. Cyan made sure he got lynched anyway because he felt that swearing on one's children is deserving of a policy lynch.
In STV Mafia, he was a Miller. He got lynched Day 2. I had other suspects I wanted to lynch and I felt that he was town, (Even after he hammered me!) but I eventually agreed with his lynch because almost everyone else was claiming a power role and lynching a Miller is a relatively safe play. I didn't actually vote for him though, because someone else surprise hammered him.
Both games I felt he was town early on and only had that shaken by other people, and both times I came around back to realizing he was town by the time he got mislynched.
As for my case on Artifice, it comes from these posts:
I already responded to those posts with my case here:
He hasn't posted any significant content since then, so I still just have those three posts and my gut feeling to go on.
Ok, so you listed a bunch of quotes from Art together and called it your case so far, but you don't actually explain anything. So, keep digging soldier, you need to tell me what makes those posts scummy and how do they explain your stance on Art as of now? Posting quotes isn't good enough, you have to explain them too.
The first quote by me is post 98.
The second is post 93.
The third is all the way back at 76.
And your "case" is 97, which you are trying to say I haven't replied to or said anything significant since. I've replied to each and every thing you've said since.
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How do you feel about what I've said about Void?
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I don't get it. You say he gets mislynched as tovn. Not so much here. Thats saying he's scum because he's still alive.
You think he's scum but you don't vote him. You invact vant to get him to L-2 but don't vote. Your vaiting vor others to start the vagon for you.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
And now we are back at the present where I have a few things making me suspicious, your overall behavior feels off, and my gut says you are scum.
I quoted my post that responded to those and pointed out what I found scummy as well. It's right below the three quotes from Artifice. I suppose I can go over it again if you need me to...
-Artifice seemed to be fishing for information.
-Artifice claimed a Twilight character, which I doubt is in the game by mod-gaming. (Mod hates Twilight no?)
-Artifice claimed for little reason far before L-2. Possibly just throwing out a safe-claim at the first sign of danger?
-Artifice attacks people for roleplaying, which is a neutral action. This reads like scum desperately looking for something to go after.
-Artifice jumps on a bandwagon with his reasoning being that the person he's voting for was jumping on bandwagons too easily.
-Artifice, the legendary flavor gamer, makes an excuse why he can't flavor game in this set-up.
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@Artifice: I think you are off your rocker about Void. poggydude legitimately reads as scummy and Void legitimately didn't know that poggydude does that on purpose. It looks like you going for an easy target...
@AE: He's not scum because he's still alive. He's scum because he is acting waaay out of character. He's scum because normally he is obvious town (to me) and here he's one of the scummier players in the game.
And you are right, I should be speaking with my votes instead of my words. I didn't think I had a strong enough case to be worth a vote, but after reviewing it, I really do feel Artifice is the most likely of my suspects to be scum. Vote Artifice 101
But vhy mention "Not so much here"?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Do you know who currently has an issue with me on MTGS? Wrath. Do you know that Wuffles and Wrath are brothers? Do you know that I'm betting this whole thing was a fun game of, "Lets see how we can troll Arti!" Good times.
There's no risk in doing so. We've got players obviously claiming their character flavor, and you attacked me for talking about it by saying I was calling them scummy for doing so. I wasn't, so I added my name to the pile (I refuse to roleplay, Edward because I hate those movies/books moreso than most, which is a long story that would border on what people have been getting on my case about lately so I'll not explain it)
I was NOT attacking those people.
I was explaining what happened the last time large amounts of roleplaying happened in a game (Flame Warriors Mafia, a Normal sized game, which I as one of the scum totally crushed IN PART because of too much roleplaying)and giving examples about the whole thing. REREAD the post!
I'm sorry, but last time I checked, a bandwagon needs a population before it can be a bandwagon. Yes?
I voted Void first. No one else had done so.
If I was looking for an easy, scummy way to play, why not just hop on poggydude's wagon and close out the "Night"? Explain that one to me? Why in the hell would I go against the flow??
Oh I can flavor game:
Archmage is The Count from Seaseme Street.
Foxlet is very, very likely Anita Blake.
And jdisawesomesauce seems to be Dracula, or at least I think so.
But what does that all mean?? I mean there's nothing there that indicates role assignment, just flavor! And there's only one Doctor vampire I can think of, but I'd rather not say who that is as I doubt they are in this game. Either way, what good does this do??
I can't flavorgame the scum in this game. They have to be, as I've speculated, something other than vampires, probably, right? But how do I sniff that out exactly with the info we have so far? You please, explain to me how that would work?? Not a rhetorical question.
How exactly is the NON-existant wagon an easy target, and the HUGE wagon NOT an easy target?
You're scummier than me, bro. If I'm scum, who's working with me and my completely rogue evaluation of the game??
Who are your other suspects? Who else have you even spoken about being scummy besides me?
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What opportunistic voting patern? I've only placed one vote in this game.
This is something that I am just now beginning to learn.
And you said I was the one backpeddling.
I clarified
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i played in stv with him
he rode a wave of lurking all the way to victory. although it was a cult win which plays a lot differently than scum play
BTW, this is me flying the flag for the S.S. Flavorgame.
Did you do crazy stuff in that game? By which I mean should Void be used to you pulling stunts or is his vote and concern believable?
But Foxlet should not answer any more of this to confirm or deny. No reason. Do your own research GT I did.
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I've done my research, I just didn't see where it said vampire. It said that she has some "magical skills of questionable content" that I won't expand on, and that she tends to hunt creatures of the fantastic, such as Vampires, which caused me concern. Guess I need to look for the vamp bit a bit harder then? I had assumed she was regular old human.
is day one falseclaiming as town crazy enough for you?
Was it provoked or unprovoked? That's really what matters here.
it was a convincing miller falseclaim in the rvs
yeah, im not really a day one all star, that's for sure
Talking about Star Trek: Voyager?
Still one of the funniest moments in my Mafia career was counterclaiming you, then reading the rest of the game and realizing I was getting WAY ahead of myself.
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I replaced into that game during Night 1. I replaced Arnnaria.
Explain hov you thought she vas AB but knov nothing of her.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
About a week ago I found one of the books in the back of my friends car and skimmed it a bit. I found myself saying "Man, this reminds me of Foxlet a little bit" and then I put two and two together when I realized that this Anita Blake person that I was reading about dealt with Vampires and the like. So I wikied it and continued to look into the matter, becoming more convinced that Foxlet was AB. If she's actually roleplaying her own character that is.
yeah that was highly unfortunate
yes this really happened gricky
it cost us a mislynch on art later on though
(which was enough to make us lose ;))
Oh geez, I hope I didn't just start another war.
Eh, lynching him then would have totally changed that game. Even with the perfect knowledge of what his alignment and role were in fact, I thought it was dumb for the town to not have lynched him there.
When does his stupid day 1 gambits stop being just that and start being a trust tell? "hey guys i always do dumb **** on d1 because i am not confident of my reads and such, hence why i am town now after making such a horrifically scummy play." I say we nip this in the butt here and now.
Unvote, vote poggy
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We should stop discussion here on what happened in that game. The point has gotten across.
I'm still waiting for Arti to answer my question about this pattern he saw in me.
Wanna enlighten us as to why it's horrifically scummy and not just a questionable alternative to the norm? And that's if his plan was all serious, instead of looking like the "get us out of RVS" that it is.
Also, where is he not confidant in his reads? Seems pretty confidant about Void, no?
Weaksauce.
You unvote poggydude to vote for Luca for bigger scum slip, but then go back to poggydude to "nip this in the butt". Yeah, I don't think so.
Vote: tordeck
First, when I said scumslip I was talking about Art and Duca, not poggy and Duca. Second I am allowed to reevaluate my opinion on which is the scummiest player as more posts are made. Thats how the game is played. Thirdly, glad to see your not gunna try and lurk your way to a victory here. Oh and nice deflection by the way.
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First, I tried fixing the broken quote and then realize that if I fix it then what I'm trying to actually quote will go wrong and junk. That's why the Asterisk is there.
Second, yes, that's exactly scummy to me. It's the reason that I'm on the case of everyone who's voting Pog so far, including you. Pog didn't go after someone who was the easiest, he had a planned alternative to the normal process of the day. Dragon wasn't the easiest, just theoretically the best lynch option according to Pog and his argument made sense, even if it's not a preferable idea to discussion and normal mafia play.
Now, everyone who saw this radical idea as something scummy was a suspect to me, because that's a perfect case of people targeting the easy player. "What? Someone proposed something that's outside the normal humdrum way of playing mafia? HE MUST BE SCUM!" is pretty flawed logic and an easy way to kickstart a mislynch. Fact is, the theory doesn't make Pog scum whatsoever, I've been saying this all damn day and nobody can argue with that. However, people still seem to be doing a perfectly fine job of calling it scummy without justifying why, so I guess I'll just keep making notes here.
So you're just admitting this is a policy lynch now? Cause those things have nothing to do with this game, whatsoever. He's had reads in this game, he's defined his opinions and he's voted with clear reasoning so far. Your argument here completely ignores the actual content that Pog's had in this game.
tordeck wants to policy lynch me several pages after my "dumb gambit"
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
my vote is on both tordeck and void
It was not a "Void pattern".
It was a game pattern, married with a lack of concern on how many votes poggy had.
My point is your vote was the scummiest vote because it was on an opportunistic wagon, and the only reason you had for it was a reason others had used. You basically repeated other people's problem with Poggy and made it your own. No work, lazy vote, midwagon <<<all of this makes you scum to me.
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