He wakes to find yet another person he thought of as a friend dead, a great sadness sweeps over him.
Damnit I was sure Poggydude was town and it was going to make it easy to figure out who was SK.
Im leaning Digi due to his under the under posting style most of the way, his conduct on day night 4 and 5 was just to pop in and vote, he did not take part in the discussion at all. Gricky said the SK was probably lying low those days and I am inclined to agree.
Anyway onto the reread.
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****, I didn't know Day would happen so quickly. I'm still V/LA for another day or two and I haven't had a hance for a proper reread.
I'll let you know when I've read everything properly what I think, but I'm leaning JD as the SK right now from the opportunistic voting on earlier days and just in general how he has gone along with everything without arguing much.
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I'm in better shape now time wise and in starting my re-read. You guys hopefully are doing the same and we can figure this mess out in another day or two.
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After rereading, JD seems more and more town all the time. His indignation feels genuine at multiple points, and he just seems like he is playing to the towns win condition.
Digi gave me no such vibes. His point system is a perfect scum cover up to generate artificial opinions instead of gut reactions.
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I do not feel that outing any potential power role this early based purely on a, frankly, unbelievable meta is a good idea.
I also distrust anyone that says the never lie. [color=black]double fos at [color=marroon]poggydude[/color] and [color=marroon]dragonheart[/color][/color]
This is my serious face. Feeshy, feeshy smells coming off those two.
@Duca Luca, you see me postin', you hatin'...[/COLOR]
Here is Digi's first real action, unvoting to double FOS. This is a scummy way to fence sit on two people, you unvoted as the RVS had ended sure but not to use the then free vote does not sit well.
[COLOR=darkslateblue]Also, this should be obvious, but your instavote on me for fosing you does not help your case. Defensive, much?
I would be defensive as well, if I had something bad to hide.[/COLOR]
I actually think the instant vote was warranted here, and wish we had lynched you day 2. The fact that Dragon didnt avoid the OMGUS buys him points. You talk the talk and still don't lay a vote on him, It feels like you are avoiding OMGUS, townies vote who they think is scum.
[COLOR=darkslateblue]@Poggydude, is that so, player? Do you like outing town power roles early game for a bs meta call? If I was able, I'd wait and see what i percieve as pure scum behvior for a vig shot, if able.
Your hostility is noted.[/COLOR]
Firstly poggydude's plan had about as much chance of outing a power role as a vanilla or scum. I dislike how you assume DH was a PR, and this can be seen as a subtle fishing attempt, if DH had confirmed or denied your suspicion
You have failed in your attempt to seriously make someone claim before rvs is over.
@Dragon, I have never played with you, nor have i read any game you have been in. I am basing my fos solely on actions you did in thi game, because you did not deny the reasoning behind poggy wanting you to claim. This is the second time I hage stated this. Please, try and keep up with the rest of the class.
Not denying poggy's reasoning means you want us to believe you are playing a game f lies and dont lie. It doesnt matter what you did in other games. You lied in this game. Which makes you a liar in my book, schnuckems.
And yes, you are defensive because if you think an fos is me attacking you. It's laughable, I dare say.
Keep up the bs, and you might see what it is really like in the digidome.[/COLOR]
Now he votes poggydude at a point that pressure was mounting, end fencesitting start wagoning.
Also the way you try twist another players words into something against dragon does not sit well
[COLOR=darkslateblue]I am not exactly new to mafia, but it has been several months since I've played. I do not believe I have played with Poggydude, though.
I knew nothing of his meta, (which I stated matters little to nothig to me), until this game.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=darkslateblue]Yep. Still feeling that bs swirl from poggledude from night one.
My vote stays.[/COLOR]
That fact that you thought your vote stays shows you weren't reading the thread. Your main scumpect calls you out on this fact and if you were town I would expect you to notice the posts made by your leading scumspect.
[COLOR=darkslateblue]More like 700.
I've been keeping up, for the most part.
Lynching poggy is our only acceptable move here. I have given reasons, and they are the same + all the other bs/wifom poggy is throwing around.[/COLOR]
This was a lie, you were not keeping up with the thread, reasoning above. You would have voted poggy day 2 as soon as you read the post that your vote wasnt on him.
[COLOR=darkslateblue]I have already explained my case on "night one", and I am never in the habit of repeating myself during these things.
I look things up when I am unsure of a reason someone has already iterated.
@Poggy, you seem to repeat yourself, at least concerning useless things that have nothing to do with the game. Do you like having players read crap? Because all youre doing with comments such as that is cluttering up the page. Smearing someone has nothing ti do with your guiltiness. Get lynched, thank you.[/COLOR]
Townies attack the people they think is scum and try to get them lynched, they repeat aspects of the case, not essentially the full case but they try to convince people. You essentially mimicked poggy actions against void by just saying get lynched, and you thought this was scummy.
[COLOR=darkslateblue]And for the record, poggydude, you are hardly the only one with a negative score. But as you keep saying, there is only one antitown role left. And you have the lowest score, by far. So this is hardly tunneling.[/COLOR]
This was in relationship to your scoring system, not gonna quote all the discussion around that but it was noted.
You tunnelled on poggydude, giving him higher negative scores than other for the same thing. I pointed out that you didn't give vote any -ve for clutter but poggy got hammered with a -ve score every time he posted something clutter like.
The system was arbitary, the numbers didnt mean anything but were a tool for you to make someone looks negative simply by applying big -ve for bad things and low +ve scores for good actions.
[COLOR=darkslateblue]@Gricky, I started mentioning it during day one, when it first started happening. I do not like repeating myself, as it just clutters the thread. I had assumed my vote was already on Poggy from the previous "night", but clearly assumed wrong. I have been chiming in, saying nothing has changed. Look at my notes. It basically repeats itself.[/COLOR]
Again town attack who they think is scum and repeat their case.
I think the evidence Void has brought to our attention is solid regarding Reya. That said, I do not th it is as strong of evidence as we have had on poggy.
Preparing to jump ship if the poggy wagon goes south
That flavor makes no sense to me. How would that help? When did Reya talk in the day? Did I miss something?
Blade is definitly anti-vampire. No real reason for me to believe the mod made the flavor meaningful in that aspect. Reya seems like a logical lynch at this point.
[color=navy]For clarification, [color=black]vote reya cookiebringer[/color], in case anyone can't see the bold well.[/color]
This makes 3 lynchs in a row that Digi just coasted his way onto, no discussion just the vote.
I'm going to examine DH's posts tomorrow but I dont think it will change at least he has tried to scumhunt. I find Digi clinging to the low hanging fruit of poggydude to be awful, especially since the 2 other killers did it.
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This post really pings my scumdar. It's trying to accuse roleplaying (a neutral action as far as I'm concerned) of being scummy. Then he's breadcrumbing for potential falseclaims. Then he tries to figure out what race everyone is. (To protect himself from falseclaiming incorrectly possibly?) Oh, then he drops a breadcrumb that will let him spread more wifom.
FoS Artifice 101
I feel like we should run him up to L-2 first so that he doesn't have a chance to see anyone else claim first.
This is scumhunting and something I feel Digi didnt really do well.
Hmm? I'm saying that I am getting a scum read on him. My past two games with him I got very towny reads from him. This game he feels like he's playing very differently and it feels scummy.
I'm coming into this hot off two games in a row with Artifice.
I don't like people being speedlynched before I can even read what's happening and weigh in. I don't townsolk (because it's impossible for the whole wagon to be scum) hammering discussion shut before everyone gets to speak their mind after being specifically asked to wait a few hours. And most of all, I don't like lynching a counter-claimed vig which can be easily solved by having the vigs shoot each other. (Except in the situation where you believe two vigs are possible, then having them shoot each other is a bad idea.)
This is Dragon not liking the speed lynch of tordeck, this is important later so noted here
I'm very angry. It does look like tordeck was scum, but that doesn't make it acceptable to speed lynch when you have been asked to wait. It also would have just made more sense to shoot him tonight instead.
I doubt you will be roleblocked tonight. Fire away please. We need as many cleared people as possible. Counter-claiming looks good for you, but shooting someone tonight in addition to the mafia kill will be the final straw. And if the mafia don't shoot to try and cause WIFOM, then the town wins there too. (Unless it's another cult, then UGH!)
Drops the breadcrumb that he is the roleblocker. With tordeck flipping roleblocker and it been a scum role traditionally, I'm unsure of whether to believe it or not.
Also modgamming here but Wizards of Waverly place is only on the Disney channel in NZ, which is pay TV, mod is a student so may not have access to the source material. This makes me slightly skeptic of the claim.
If you killed AE, it's likely that Artifice didn't kill himself. That means that we probably had an SK without a Day kill.
There's another unclaimed kill out there. If Artifice didn't have a kill, as I suspect, then it's entirely possible that we are still dealing with a scum team.
Time for my story! If anyone noticed, I was breadcrumbing roleblocker last Night. I was incredibly surprised to see tordeck flip Roleblocker, but I highly doubt there are three roleblockers in the game. Even before we saw tordeck flip though, I was able to state that I doubted GrickyTimmick would be roleblocked because I had no intention of blocking him. (I targeted Artifice with my roleblock yesterDay.)
Here's where it gets interesting though! My roleblock failed. Not only that, but I have lost that power entirely. I am no longer a roleblocker and my role is completely gone.
You are right three roleblocker is unbelievable, especially when the vanillifier one hits you conveniently. I think this is the biggest point against you.
First you breadcrumb roleblocker and then you have to reverse on that claim with a vanillification. You saw vanillification in cyberpunk with Cyan so that where I think you picked it up from.
Second there is some weirdness involving you not giving us the flavour due to some mod screwup and you been allowed to stay in the game due to the fixed game state. Personally you remiaining makes sense if the town would auto-win if you were modkilled.
Also you claim you roleblock failed, which meant Artifice had to have targetted AE also for there not to be a kill.
#1 Foxlet is being very defensive. Noted.
#2 Vote analysis is a real thing and not voting IS anti-town behavior in the long run.
#3 Throwing votes around like confetti is NOT what is being discussed. Straw men are scummy.
Foxlet, get better now or get lynched.
This is you piling on to my attack against fox, the townies now confirmed by death actually attacked my stance here.
I outed it because there's no reason to hide being vanillafied? And yeah, I was VERY VERY surprised to see tordeck flip Roleblocker. I could barely believe that happened.
My thought is that a player who is vanillified now knows that someone saw him as a threat, that a vanillifier role exists, and that his playstyle will have to change now that his ability is gone. He needs to reveal this to the town for the following reasons:
#1 Vanillifier roles are usually one-shot, so others are probably now safe from it.
#2 A vanillifier exists in the game for him to have been vanillified, and we can mod-game a bit based on the scum power level now that we know a bit more about what abilities they are slinging around.
#3 Claiming to have been vanillified at L-2 is extremely scummy, and it's important to be open and honest about claims like that to prevent a mislynch. In addition, the town needs to be aware of why a player's behavior suddenly changes.
Your behaviour could have suddenly changed because now you are not a SK trying to work with town to hunt the other scum team. As you are the sole scum left you would have to more aggressively try lynch other townies.
No, I legitimately behave differently as a power role vs vanilla. Today I've been a bit more aggressive and open since I lost my ability. It's not such a big deal to protect myself when I'm less important.
Reinforcing the behaviour change between scum-hunting and townie killing.
I don't think GT would claim Vig as a SK. However, just to be safe, we should probably lynch him at some point before LyLo. Now is definitely not that time though and we've got work to be done. GT is also very town seeming atm.
Foxlet continues to ping my scumdar, but I'm happy with my vote on poggydude.
This feels like set-up for future lynches, its something that I didnt note digi doing, he had his tunnel on most of the time with a second target sometimes.
If he fails to fire and we have only one kill, then GT becomes likely to be scum. If two kills show up, we have confirmation of some kind of other scum still existing and it's highly likely that GT is a town vigilante. If at any point only one kill is showing up, GT becomes very likely to be scum.
Setup to kill the vig, something Digi didnt do again
Taking my vote off poggydude was a joke. It was never really gone. When you reminded me, I put it back.
You took your vote off poggydude to vote "not voting" as a joke but didnt put it back until I mentioned I thought it was a sly way to unvote. Then you voted him again with a attack and completely ignored that fact I had confronted you about it. I confronted you again and got this as a response.
poggydude should claim
DCD should keep it to himself
Claiming isn't about rules or meta. Claiming is about what information the town needs. Who claims should always be evaluated on a case-by-case basis by the town.
These two show a flip flop on your opinion of Digi claiming in quick sucession, funny considering Void attacked Reya for wanting them both to claim.
I don't agree with this wagon on Reya. I haven't liked his actions, but I don't think the evidence is nearly as strong as poggydude.
Void seems fairly town. GrickyTimmick seems very town. poggydude is likely scum. Foxlet could be scum, especially if I'm wrong about poggydude. Everyone else I'm unsure about but don't feel comfortable lynching.
Blade by flavor is definitely anti-town. Just like Buffy, he is a Vampire Hunter. This feels off though. It's like when Wheat_Grinder claimed a 100% scummy sounding role in Avatar Mafia. We all lynched without even questioning it and he turned up town.
My instincts tell me to hammer. I feel like this could be a cruel trick of the mod and/or anti-flavor gaming measure though.
More information please Reya.
This sounds like you had inside information on Reya been town
7/9 players weighed in JD. Did you want to hear from the other two? 5 people voting obviously had an opinion, Reya defended himself, and I gave my opinion. Duca and Digi are the only ones left if I've got this list right. (And hopefully they will chime in during Twilight.)
I hope we were right. If we are, then we probably won't need more discussion.
I said this at the time and I'll say it again, I was one of the 5 people voting Reya, the first vote in fact and I hadnt weighed in yet on the claim my vote had got. The fact that you are all anti speed lynch isnt about town its about you getting to say your two cents and look like you are contributing
Smart scum always claim town in twilight. (Or go silent.) If you were hoping to clear someone by reaction, I don't think your plan worked.
And by source, I meant the source of your character's flavor. Are you from True Blood? And what is your name?
This screams of wagoning. You claimed the evidence against poggydude is stronger they Reya earlier yet somehow you missed the fact he had already name claimed.
If I may ask, why do you consider JD scummier than me and where would Reya be on that list?
This rang alarm bells for me, the concern of why I was lower on the T/S list than you. A townie would ask why I was close to the bottom and not postion in relation to themselves.
So here's a fun tidbit. I've been asking questions about how Foxlet's role might interact with other things. E.G. What happens if she targets a Neutral, a godfather, gets roleblocked, get night killed after targeting scum, etc.
Wufflesmod replied with (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I don't know what you are talking about. Let me go read what Foxlet claimed her role is and I'll get back to you."
Another mistake from the mod and you are involved, seems this mod doesn't know what they are doing or you are engaging in deceit.
I'm moving, which is why I haven't been posting much. It's taking a lot out of me to work 8 hours a day and then come home and pack. I'm trying to see my friends and say goodbye too, and I'm having trouble finding time to post intelligently. (I read along on my phone, but posting takes more time and effort.)
I have to agree with Gricky that Reya is the lynch. Void is town and had no reason to lie. Even if his win condition was changed and he had a reason to lie initially, that reason went away when Foxlet was hammered and Void stuck by his statement. That's honestly what does it for me - the fact that Void didn't amend his statement even after Foxlet's lynch. I will gladly take the word of a confirmed Watcher who is confirmed town and claims to have caught scum.
Vote Reya
This game has been insane.
I missed that word at the time but in the game I have read when someone uses the word honestly it usually means they are scum.
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In my reread of Dragon he pulled ahead for SK candiate. Both of you claimed abilities that are impossible to verify, but Digi just seemed apathetic to the game where Dragon had a behavioural change at the point I expected one from the last SK and has been subject to 2 mod mistakes it feels off.
Looking forward to your responses and your cases.
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
I can't do my normal big quote response thing because I'm posting from my phone. I will attempt to reply in order though.
-starting at the vanillifier part, all I can say is that I am being completely honest about being a role locker and then losing it. I literally don't know what to say otherwise, because explaining the circumstances breaks the game. Wuffles screwed up, and to be perfectly honest, the game probably should have ended Day 1 in a stalemate instead of continuing to play with this mess.
-my roleblock failed because my power was removed before it fired. I assume that artifice didn't and/or couldn't shoot. At least not that phase.
-foxlet played like scum all game. She played against her win condition, did illogical things, lied, failed to get the necessary information to play her role from Wuffles, and posted scummy in general. I would have probably voted her even without the cult fears. I also stand by my theory that refusing to vote is anti-town.
-the "forced" post is partly because I was still upset from the recent activities and by seeing a role locker who wasn't me flip. How often do you see two in a mini? Bloody never. Why the hell would I counter claim a confirmed player anyway? That's stupid regardless. In fact, I would have lied just to avoid the counter claiming confusion if I wasn't following my rule. (since I was vanilla at that point anyway, I probably should have just claimed vanilla)
-my behavior changed because I lost my role. It's that simple. Since you obviously read cyberpunk, you can easily see there the marked change in my behavior after my ability was used up. I suddenly dropped all pretense of defense and starte aggressively attacking whoever I though was scum. Same concept except that I woul like to think in a better scum hunter now.
-yes, because asking someone at L-2 to claim before they get hammered, is fishing. Doubly so when I thought they were breadcrumbing cop and I wanted to try and avoid mislynching a stubborn cop.
-it's just good logic to lynch a suspicious vig late-game when you are SK hunting. That's the easiest way for an SK to hide. The other two were my primary scumspects.
-I was joking when I moved my vote. You are reading too much into it. I just forgot after moving it and didn't think it was a serious discussion point. Remind me not to make jokes outside RVS next time.
-I did change my mind on whether Digi should claim. After further consideration, it seemed like it woul be better to keep more info hidden there.
-I advocated hammering the non-compliant and anti-town poggydude, but then clarified that we should inish discussion first. It's merely a consideration f timing that I realized was unclear in my first post.
I'm tired, I'll probably respond more tomorrow. I would present a case against Digi, but he has basically lurked through this entire game. He made 0 impact and always stayed in the background.
But like I said, talk more tomorrow. I am starting to feel more confident about this. I think we can solve the game, especially if Digi contributes.
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vote dragonheart
Because... he has very little negs in my notes.
He has very little negs in your notes, so he gets the vote, aweful, and with so little discussion. You are lucky I'm not the SK or I would win right here.
Also, for only reading my posts, and not knowing what I was talking about because you failed to mention what was around them.
What was this in relationship to? Because I have trouble with the logic here.
Also do you want to even defend yourself against my case, at the moment Im torn but the fact you pushed a vote out first with such little discussion puts you ahead now.
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JD is confirmed as not SK as I suspected. That makes Digi the SK. The naked vote and continual Refusal to even bother to play almost makes this dappointing though. Good job lurkin this far Digi, but we have found the SK now. Since JD is confirmed town, there is no reason to hold my vote.
Vote Digi
It's in your hands now JD. Let me know how I can help.
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The weight of the world bear down on his shoulders, he really didnt expect it to come down to this and now the burden of finding the killer was his alone to bear.
We are about a day from deadline and tomorrow is my saturday and Im going to go to my LGS to play some magic. I'll be casting my vote in the morning when I get up which is about 15 hours from this post.
If you want to help present your can makes points against each other, also feel free to advocate for your own survival pointing your own town points.
See you in just over half a day.
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
Digi has lurked for most of the game and made excuses for his votes instead of owning them.
I'll admit that I've made mistakes, but I did what I thought was best and what I thought would make us win. After the game I'll explain what happened with Wuffles. All I can say for myself is that I have done my best and that even though this is my last game on MTGS, at least for a while, that I still feel I've learned from it and enjoyed playing.
I think that you and I were selected to be last, JD, because we are both basically vanilla and have both shown inclinations towards thinking each other were scum at various points. It makes sense for the SK to keep two vanillas who want to lynch other like Digi has done. Whatever you pick JD, this was still a good game and we still got to have a lot of fun.
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The time had come for a decision, best not to let things linger and to second guess ones self over and over. He jumped in the car and drove to the town square ready to met the others with his decision. Music was what he needed to lighten his mood he leaned down and turned on the dial.
"Stop, Hammer Time .."
Quickly he turned the dial off, he's not listening to that right now, town square loams ahead and he pulls into a parking space.
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Digi's lack of contribution in the later days of the game make it hard to get a read on him, this is when behaviour is more important IMO than the early stages when everything has a somewhat more random flailing element.
Dragon I have the vague impression that he could be the SK but in comparison to Digi its hard for those feelings to stand up against almost nothing Digi has done.
It comes down to this, if I go with with those slight suspicions lose to someone who basically lurked the entire game, I'll kick myself.
Digi on the other hand has lurked, hasn't defended himself against my case, case a vote without any discussion in LyLo. I tried to give him as much time as possible to participate on the last day in case he in town, but he didnt change his behaviour at all.
Digi you deserve to lose this game.
vote Digi
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
Good game everyone. Now I'm safe to explain what happened. Basically, tordeck was NOT darla the sultry succubus. I started the game as her. Wuffles accidentally killed me instead of tordeck in the lynch scene on Night 1. That's why I lost my roleblock, because Wuffles killed my role. Through the Day phase we talked it out, and to try to salvage the game I inherited tordek's role and became him.
Tordeck and I were actually teammates. SKs that were aligned and could talk. After his untimely death, I used our quick topic as my personal journal and theory thread.
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Btw, godfather doesn't begin to describe this role. As I eventually figured out, I was a godfather+ninja+framer. The whole void an tray fiasco was me changing voids results.
I also did my best not to lie, but I have no idea how to get past mass claim time without lying. After that, I let myself go in the last LyLo phase and lied my ass off.
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So you switched Voids psuedo-cop results to read that Reya was scum? Cause I was seriously pissed off when we went through with that lynch and we came up with nothing.
I'm just mad because I caught you DH. I caught you and was pushing your lynch hard, then I stopped and I can't remember why. In hindsight, I should have made more of an effort. I've been lazy in my past few games and it's been costly. GG scum/SK/whatevers.
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I still think digi was the right lynch. The frame ability is what killed town. That one use pretty much made fox and void confirmed scum to me and confirmed scum to them. That ended up killing four townies and causing a cluster****. Fun game though.
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I agree that my ability was completely overpowered. However, Voids role was insanely stron too. If I hadn't know who to mess with because of you guys all claiming, I would have lost the game by simple process of elimination. Voids role basically allowed him to create two bulletproof confirmed townsfolk, and my only chance to win at that point was by making you lynch each other.
So basically, I'm saying that I think my role and Void's role balanced way other out and I only came out ahead because Void claiming (and basically claiming who he targeted) gave me enough information to turn his ability against the town.
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I agree that my ability was completely overpowered. However, Voids role was insanely stron too. If I hadn't know who to mess with because of you guys all claiming, I would have lost the game by simple process of elimination. Voids role basically allowed him to create two bulletproof confirmed townsfolk, and my only chance to win at that point was by making you lynch each other.
So basically, I'm saying that I think my role and Void's role balanced way other out and I only came out ahead because Void claiming (and basically claiming who he targeted) gave me enough information to turn his ability against the town.
/barn this.
I was certain that poggydude would be the last scum becasue having a Governor type ability as a SK or scum would be insane. That is the reason why I claimed then. It's almost always a Town ability and still is
Hmm like I hinted at in the vote post I thought DH was the SK, but Digi just not playing at all was just not on. DH winning for playing the game I could live with but if Digi had been the SK and won for lurking I would have not forgiven myself.
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
Hmm like I hinted at in the vote post I thought DH was the SK, but Digi just not playing at all was just not on. DH winning for playing the game I could live with but if Digi had been the SK and won for lurking I would have not forgiven myself.
I'm not upset if your descion. If I was in your shoes and didn't have the information I have, then I probably would have voted Digi as well. More so since I lurked my to victory in ST:V as the Cult.
You played a good game JD.
As for the mishappen with Wuffles and DH. I'm not sure if that was handled in the best way, but I don't have the experience as a Mod to say for sure. One thing is for sure, if DH had not gained tordeck's role than he would not have won the game.
Wuffles:
If you would please. Explain what happened. I know DH has already posted about it, but I want your side too. It's a little disappointing.
I'm not upset if your descion. If I was in your shoes and didn't have the information I have, then I probably would have voted Digi as well. More so since I lurked my to victory in ST:V as the Cult.
You played a good game JD.
As for the mishappen with Wuffles and DH. I'm not sure if that was handled in the best way, but I don't have the experience as a Mod to say for sure. One thing is for sure, if DH had not gained tordeck's role than he would not have won the game.
Wuffles:
If you would please. Explain what happened. I know DH has already posted about it, but I want your side too. It's a little disappointing.
Thanks for the kind words Void.
We lynched the most powerful SK day 1 and then his role gets which to DH. *sigh*
Also if the SK mason won as a team then why on earth did you shot artifice Dragon?
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
That's not the only snafu. At first I thought my ability didn work against watchers, so I asked Wuffles. He said I could be invisible to Watchers but couldn't frame them. Then Iso tried to take over the game (after I had targeted Gricky that Day) and Iso reeled it that my ability would fail against a Watcher. (which would make me immediately lose, because Void would then see me)
I freaked out and starte messaging Wuffles. When Wuffles got back, he asked me what framed result I wanted to give to you. I was like "lulwut? Ok, you are the boss. Totally framing Reya now"
It was kind of upsetting though to be unable to plan anything with my abilities being messed with and re-ruled all game. I literally felt like this game was me vs the mods instea of me vs the town.
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Artifice wasn't on my team. Only tordeck was. I wanted to roleblock Artifice and claim town credit for role locking a SK. When the roles switched though, it became a kill. Kind of a blow out.
I also do agree that getting the uber-mega power is the only way I could have won with Artfice and tordeck both dead. Otherwise Void would haw just found me in LyLo if not sooner.
I also enjoy all of the people chiming in that they found me then died. That was intentional. I was killing people who were on to me.
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On that note, I want to apologize to Foxlet. As the SK I abused her mod miscommunication to confuse her and get her lynched. As a player experiencing the same thing, I had sympathy. It is entirely probably that Foxlet had an ambiguously worded win condition, which is the technicality I abused to cause her death.
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My sincerest apologies to Wuffles and everyone else for stepping in without waiting a bit longer - the Council gave me the go-ahead and I didn't want to see the game get called out for abandonment. That being said, I disagree with how the Ninja ability was handled, but it wasn't my game, now was it?
FWIW, DH, I caught you on Night 1.
Also, totally called that there would be Cult fearmongering with Foxlet's role when I reviewed this.
Anyway, hope everyone enjoyed the game! I laughed my ass off at AE on Night 1. 8D
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The thing I did wrong was incorrectly switch DH and Tordeck's role.
At the point that it was bought to my attention, it was several hours having been in the thread.
At that point, I felt my only options were to either a) end the game and apologize for ****ing things up;
or
b) roll with it as best I could and ensure that the people that signed up expecting a good game got to have one.
I chose b) because it simply wasn't fair to everyone to end it when there was a fairly simple fix that could have been done.
Azrael agreed with my decision, and, well, Azrael being in my opinion the #1 mafia player in MTGS, was all the approval I needed to validate my choice.
So, DH got a sex-change.
In all honesty though, I was pretty close to spitting the dummy completely halfway through. DH was constantly badgering me about everything, pretty much, and then when Iso stepped in (he was in the right, motivation-wise, in that he wanted to ensure that the game kept going).Should I just have cancelled the game completely when I accidentally spilled keenly role-based info in the thread? Or was I right to do what I did?
I think your decision to continue the game was correct. You had the players in mind, exactly as a mod should, and if you were to do it again, I would encourage you to do it the same way, even though the end result was probably way different than it would have been. We all make mistakes, and after seeing this setup, I hope to play in the next Wuffles game.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The thing I did wrong was incorrectly switch DH and Tordeck's role.
At the point that it was bought to my attention, it was several hours having been in the thread.
At that point, I felt my only options were to either a) end the game and apologize for ****ing things up;
or
b) roll with it as best I could and ensure that the people that signed up expecting a good game got to have one.
I chose b) because it simply wasn't fair to everyone to end it when there was a fairly simple fix that could have been done.
Azrael agreed with my decision, and, well, Azrael being in my opinion the #1 mafia player in MTGS, was all the approval I needed to validate my choice.
So, DH got a sex-change.
In all honesty though, I was pretty close to spitting the dummy completely halfway through. DH was constantly badgering me about everything, pretty much, and then when Iso stepped in (he was in the right, motivation-wise, in that he wanted to ensure that the game kept going).Should I just have cancelled the game completely when I accidentally spilled keenly role-based info in the thread? Or was I right to do what I did?
No you shouldn't have cancelled the game, you took the best course of action available given the mistake.
Town didnt really loss anything due to the switch, they still lynched scum, but it put DragonHeart in the awkward position of covering his breadcrumb from day 1.
I might just policy lynch anyone who claimed a mod mistake from now on as the "I can't talk about it as the mod forbade it" defense as its kind of hard to argue with.
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
I think Wuffles made the right call, but it was really awkward for me. In the meantime though, his mistake turned out to be my chance to win.
I enjoyed the set-up, although putting two huge polarizing roles in the game that are needed to counter each other made the game fairly swingy. As criticism, I would strongly encourage Wuffles to be more careful writing roles in the future. I know that at least myself, Foxlet, and Gricky were all confused by our roles and managed to misunderstand them.
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I wouldn't say that was a balancing error so much as awkward phrasing. I will admit that I was terribly confused when Fox converted Void instead of Gricky, despite Void only being a kill-Bodyguard.
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I definitely would not have push fox very hard if void had not said he saw me target scum. From my position both were 100% confirmed cult. I agree it was the right decision to keep the game going, the frame ability was just extremely strong. I might have just given DH his original role, it would have played out similiar to how it should have other than RB wifom.
Also What did AE's role do?
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That was not the only mistake you made that nite though Wuff. You also almost let DH get away with not conducting a kill D1. Yeah you had the remaining players interests in mind but you also very easily could have screwed DH completely. With me dead, Art killed D1, had DH been lynched (which I honestly thought was gunna happen after he had to backtrack his breadcrumbs) this game would have been over N2.
Am I glad for the win, sure. Am I happy that DH proved a strong enough player to keep the game going, without a doubt. With all of the mistakes you made as the Mod should this game have been shut down and called a draw, HELL YES.
Thanks for the kind words Void.
We lynched the most powerful SK day 1 and then his role gets which to DH. *sigh*
I agree with Void. You played well, even with your imposed RP I did catch on that you figured it was Dragon in your re-read. One of the things that tipped me off was that he was, if I remember correctly, the first one to bring up cults and then sit back and watch the fear set in. There were a few other things, but I'm really bad at making cases and everyone had Dragon pretty "pro" town so it would have been an uphill battle. One which I could not put forth the effort to fight at the time.
On that note, I want to apologize to Foxlet. As the SK I abused her mod miscommunication to confuse her and get her lynched. As a player experiencing the same thing, I had sympathy. It is entirely probably that Foxlet had an ambiguously worded win condition, which is the technicality I abused to cause her death.
Thing was, I don't think I wasn't lying at any point. I try not to because I'm a terrible liar and I have a generally crappy memory over minor details. Not that I expected anyone to believe me Since you can see (below), it doesn't say "Town"...and it's not Blue...it also isn't any other color, or cult I was like...well sheet. It's why I was honestly surprised to show up blue when I died. I just KNEW even though it sounded like a cult, that it couldn't be because of the "win with the town" condition. I would have played it WAAAAYYY differently even if it was blue, or said town. Even with that cult wincon.
Not to mention, again game mechanics
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Seras “Kitten” Victoria, The Reluctant Vampire, Hellsing Human Resource Division -
As the singular progeny of the most powerful vampire to ever live, most would, well, DIE to be in your position. But not you. Every step of the way, you have tried to fight your vampire heritage, refusing to drink blood, holding back your violent impulses...so much so that Hellsing, the organization you work for, has become disillusioned with your abilities as a vampire hunter, and has dropped you into a desk job. Yes, human resources may not have the same awesomeness as hunting horrific creatures of the night, but it suits you just fine. Makes you feel more...human. And, hell, without blood, you’re about as much use as a human, anyways.
Abilities
Recruit to Hellsing/investigate - During the night, you may use your delightful innocence and surprising intellect, and overwhelming urge to succeed (lest you be put back on vampire-hunting duty) to recruit a player to become part of the Hellsing organization. But before you do that, you check their background thoroughly, to ensure that they qualify to become part of the elite vampire-hunting association. You work with a lot of humans, after all, and it just won’t do to have them snacking on the meals-on-wheels that many vampires see humans as. If your recruitment is successful, they gain the Hellsing (your) win condition, and as you can only recruit the less-horrible creatures to Hellsing, you will know that any successful recruits are on the same side as you. Just remember, that you aren’t drinking blood, and so if you do meet one of the more-horrible creatures that stalk the night, you are likely to be slaughtered with very little resistance. So be careful who you try to recruit.
MOD NOTE – If you die, the Hellsing Organization dies with you – in that all Hellsing recruits regain the town win condition - so no pressure. :B
You win with the town, when all anti-town elements have been laid to rest, if and only if at least half the remaining players are part of the Hellsing organization.
In all honesty though, I was pretty close to spitting the dummy completely halfway through. DH was constantly badgering me about everything, pretty much, and then when Iso stepped in (he was in the right, motivation-wise, in that he wanted to ensure that the game kept going).Should I just have cancelled the game completely when I accidentally spilled keenly role-based info in the thread? Or was I right to do what I did?
While I agree, it kinda sucked that the town lynched such a powerful role D1 and the entire game would have played out entirely differently had Dragon been left with his original role. I don't think Void or I would have claimed N2 had that happened, and all the mess that went on from there.
Having said that, I enjoyed the game a lot Even when I got frustrated I would have been more disappointed had you cancelled it right at the start.
I definitely would not have push fox very hard if void had not said he saw me target scum. From my position both were 100% confirmed cult. I agree it was the right decision to keep the game going, the frame ability was just extremely strong. I might have just given DH his original role, it would have played out similiar to how it should have other than RB wifom.
Also What did AE's role do?
Thing is...After I died, I realized Void wasn't lying on PURPOSE. I couldn't be town and confirmed cult? To me, when I still had time to watch the game, I would have been thinking, well...what IF the other SK has an bastard ability like he ended up having? Look at the excuse Dragon gave for losing his RB ability? Sometimes you have to think outside the strict mafia box.
Yeah, I'd like to know what AE's role actually did too
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There were a few chances to catch me. I'm not sure if people weren't paying enough attention, or if I'm good at distraction from weaknesses. My list of mistakes:
-overreactin to my partner's death
-making myself look scummy day 2 to try and draw out a cop that didn't exist
-makin a claim from a non-vampire show
-starting the cult chatter (although this and the cop one were calculated risks and not necessarily mistakes)
-scum-slipping a couple of times late-game
-allowing my out of game issues to interfere with my gameplay and tipping off poggy
Otherwise I feel like I played very well for 90% of the game, distracted everyone effectively, and stayed mostly townie.
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I agree with Void. You played well, even with your imposed RP I did catch on that you figured it was Dragon in your re-read. One of the things that tipped me off was that he was, if I remember correctly, the first one to bring up cults and then sit back and watch the fear set in. There were a few other things, but I'm really bad at making cases and everyone had Dragon pretty "pro" town so it would have been an uphill battle. One which I could not put forth the effort to fight at the time.
Yeah I wish I didnt let my frustration with Digi get in the way, sorry town. I'm going to actively avoid games with him in it because it kind of ruined the enjoyment for me in the end.
Great game for the first half, thanks wuffles the set up was cool
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
My list of mistakes:
-overreactin to my partner's death
-making myself look scummy day 2 to try and draw out a cop that didn't exist
-makin a claim from a non-vampire show
-starting the cult chatter (although this and the cop one were calculated risks and not necessarily mistakes)
-scum-slipping a couple of times late-game
-allowing my out of game issues to interfere with my gameplay and tipping off poggy
I'm really bad at making cases or I would have tried to on ya. Something about how you responded to a lot of questions just put me off. And the whole claiming a (vanillified) RB when we already had a non-standard SK w/ RB that died. For me, that was kind of a red flag. Especially given all the other roles floating out there. I know it's gaming the mod, but it seemed Wuff had gone out of his way to be creative so having 2 roleblockers (even if one was SK and one was supposed to be town) just seemed sketch in my mind.
Had my role be more specific (ie you are town or blue color), or had tor shown as a SK mason when he died I would have totally changed the way I played my role. If blue/town I would have just claimed straight cop and left all the other out Had tor fliped part of a SK mason team, I would have claimed a masonizor which would make more sense balance wise (to me anyway)
One of the things I hinted at when Reya claimed after poggy saved him was *IF* I had recruited Reya would we have been able to talk, like masonizors. Would I have been able to pass info to Reya and he would in turn be able to info spew into the thread. Don't know if it would have happened that way, but would have been cool to find out.
@JD - Still think you did a good job overall. I understand the frustration It's why I ultimately self hammered which is something I swore I would never do if I was town.
Even with the issues involved, I'm still glad I was able to play to the end. I really enjoyed the mechanics and some of the roles that popped up.
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With three alive, it is TWO to lynch.
Damnit I was sure Poggydude was town and it was going to make it easy to figure out who was SK.
Im leaning Digi due to his under the under posting style most of the way, his conduct on day night 4 and 5 was just to pop in and vote, he did not take part in the discussion at all. Gricky said the SK was probably lying low those days and I am inclined to agree.
Anyway onto the reread.
I'll let you know when I've read everything properly what I think, but I'm leaning JD as the SK right now from the opportunistic voting on earlier days and just in general how he has gone along with everything without arguing much.
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Digi gave me no such vibes. His point system is a perfect scum cover up to generate artificial opinions instead of gut reactions.
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Sorry I have been sick but after a reread still anti Digi
Here is Digi's first real action, unvoting to double FOS. This is a scummy way to fence sit on two people, you unvoted as the RVS had ended sure but not to use the then free vote does not sit well.
I actually think the instant vote was warranted here, and wish we had lynched you day 2. The fact that Dragon didnt avoid the OMGUS buys him points. You talk the talk and still don't lay a vote on him, It feels like you are avoiding OMGUS, townies vote who they think is scum.
Firstly poggydude's plan had about as much chance of outing a power role as a vanilla or scum. I dislike how you assume DH was a PR, and this can be seen as a subtle fishing attempt, if DH had confirmed or denied your suspicion
Now he votes poggydude at a point that pressure was mounting, end fencesitting start wagoning.
Also the way you try twist another players words into something against dragon does not sit well
You openly ignore the valid defense for Poggydude
Distancing yourself from a lynch, I suspect you expected tordeck to flip town.
That fact that you thought your vote stays shows you weren't reading the thread. Your main scumpect calls you out on this fact and if you were town I would expect you to notice the posts made by your leading scumspect.
This was a lie, you were not keeping up with the thread, reasoning above. You would have voted poggy day 2 as soon as you read the post that your vote wasnt on him.
Townies attack the people they think is scum and try to get them lynched, they repeat aspects of the case, not essentially the full case but they try to convince people. You essentially mimicked poggy actions against void by just saying get lynched, and you thought this was scummy.
Again evidence you were not reading.
This was in relationship to your scoring system, not gonna quote all the discussion around that but it was noted.
You tunnelled on poggydude, giving him higher negative scores than other for the same thing. I pointed out that you didn't give vote any -ve for clutter but poggy got hammered with a -ve score every time he posted something clutter like.
The system was arbitary, the numbers didnt mean anything but were a tool for you to make someone looks negative simply by applying big -ve for bad things and low +ve scores for good actions.
Again town attack who they think is scum and repeat their case.
Preparing to jump ship if the poggy wagon goes south
Yet it doesnt get your vote, fence sit.
Just goes along with town plan, coasting
Again just coasting his way into the lynch very little discussion
This makes 3 lynchs in a row that Digi just coasted his way onto, no discussion just the vote.
I'm going to examine DH's posts tomorrow but I dont think it will change at least he has tried to scumhunt. I find Digi clinging to the low hanging fruit of poggydude to be awful, especially since the 2 other killers did it.
So begin the reread of Dragon
This is scumhunting and something I feel Digi didnt really do well.
This is another post I liked of Dragonhearts
This is Dragon not liking the speed lynch of tordeck, this is important later so noted here
Again note that he is angry about the speed lynch
Drops the breadcrumb that he is the roleblocker. With tordeck flipping roleblocker and it been a scum role traditionally, I'm unsure of whether to believe it or not.
Also modgamming here but Wizards of Waverly place is only on the Disney channel in NZ, which is pay TV, mod is a student so may not have access to the source material. This makes me slightly skeptic of the claim.
You are right three roleblocker is unbelievable, especially when the vanillifier one hits you conveniently. I think this is the biggest point against you.
First you breadcrumb roleblocker and then you have to reverse on that claim with a vanillification. You saw vanillification in cyberpunk with Cyan so that where I think you picked it up from.
Second there is some weirdness involving you not giving us the flavour due to some mod screwup and you been allowed to stay in the game due to the fixed game state. Personally you remiaining makes sense if the town would auto-win if you were modkilled.
Also you claim you roleblock failed, which meant Artifice had to have targetted AE also for there not to be a kill.
This is you piling on to my attack against fox, the townies now confirmed by death actually attacked my stance here.
The VERY VERY feels forced here.
Your behaviour could have suddenly changed because now you are not a SK trying to work with town to hunt the other scum team. As you are the sole scum left you would have to more aggressively try lynch other townies.
Fishing.
Reinforcing the behaviour change between scum-hunting and townie killing.
This feels like set-up for future lynches, its something that I didnt note digi doing, he had his tunnel on most of the time with a second target sometimes.
You have three suggested lynches in this post.
Setup to kill the vig, something Digi didnt do again
You took your vote off poggydude to vote "not voting" as a joke but didnt put it back until I mentioned I thought it was a sly way to unvote. Then you voted him again with a attack and completely ignored that fact I had confronted you about it. I confronted you again and got this as a response.
These two show a flip flop on your opinion of Digi claiming in quick sucession, funny considering Void attacked Reya for wanting them both to claim.
Advocates hammer.
Then backpetalled to promote discussion.
This sounds like you had inside information on Reya been town
I said this at the time and I'll say it again, I was one of the 5 people voting Reya, the first vote in fact and I hadnt weighed in yet on the claim my vote had got. The fact that you are all anti speed lynch isnt about town its about you getting to say your two cents and look like you are contributing
This screams of wagoning. You claimed the evidence against poggydude is stronger they Reya earlier yet somehow you missed the fact he had already name claimed.
This rang alarm bells for me, the concern of why I was lower on the T/S list than you. A townie would ask why I was close to the bottom and not postion in relation to themselves.
Another mistake from the mod and you are involved, seems this mod doesn't know what they are doing or you are engaging in deceit.
I missed that word at the time but in the game I have read when someone uses the word honestly it usually means they are scum.
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In my reread of Dragon he pulled ahead for SK candiate. Both of you claimed abilities that are impossible to verify, but Digi just seemed apathetic to the game where Dragon had a behavioural change at the point I expected one from the last SK and has been subject to 2 mod mistakes it feels off.
Looking forward to your responses and your cases.
-starting at the vanillifier part, all I can say is that I am being completely honest about being a role locker and then losing it. I literally don't know what to say otherwise, because explaining the circumstances breaks the game. Wuffles screwed up, and to be perfectly honest, the game probably should have ended Day 1 in a stalemate instead of continuing to play with this mess.
-my roleblock failed because my power was removed before it fired. I assume that artifice didn't and/or couldn't shoot. At least not that phase.
-foxlet played like scum all game. She played against her win condition, did illogical things, lied, failed to get the necessary information to play her role from Wuffles, and posted scummy in general. I would have probably voted her even without the cult fears. I also stand by my theory that refusing to vote is anti-town.
-the "forced" post is partly because I was still upset from the recent activities and by seeing a role locker who wasn't me flip. How often do you see two in a mini? Bloody never. Why the hell would I counter claim a confirmed player anyway? That's stupid regardless. In fact, I would have lied just to avoid the counter claiming confusion if I wasn't following my rule. (since I was vanilla at that point anyway, I probably should have just claimed vanilla)
-my behavior changed because I lost my role. It's that simple. Since you obviously read cyberpunk, you can easily see there the marked change in my behavior after my ability was used up. I suddenly dropped all pretense of defense and starte aggressively attacking whoever I though was scum. Same concept except that I woul like to think in a better scum hunter now.
-yes, because asking someone at L-2 to claim before they get hammered, is fishing. Doubly so when I thought they were breadcrumbing cop and I wanted to try and avoid mislynching a stubborn cop.
-it's just good logic to lynch a suspicious vig late-game when you are SK hunting. That's the easiest way for an SK to hide. The other two were my primary scumspects.
-I was joking when I moved my vote. You are reading too much into it. I just forgot after moving it and didn't think it was a serious discussion point. Remind me not to make jokes outside RVS next time.
-I did change my mind on whether Digi should claim. After further consideration, it seemed like it woul be better to keep more info hidden there.
-I advocated hammering the non-compliant and anti-town poggydude, but then clarified that we should inish discussion first. It's merely a consideration f timing that I realized was unclear in my first post.
I'm tired, I'll probably respond more tomorrow. I would present a case against Digi, but he has basically lurked through this entire game. He made 0 impact and always stayed in the background.
But like I said, talk more tomorrow. I am starting to feel more confident about this. I think we can solve the game, especially if Digi contributes.
Because... he has very little negs in my notes.
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He has very little negs in your notes, so he gets the vote, aweful, and with so little discussion. You are lucky I'm not the SK or I would win right here.
What was this in relationship to? Because I have trouble with the logic here.
Also do you want to even defend yourself against my case, at the moment Im torn but the fact you pushed a vote out first with such little discussion puts you ahead now.
Vote Digi
It's in your hands now JD. Let me know how I can help.
We are about a day from deadline and tomorrow is my saturday and Im going to go to my LGS to play some magic. I'll be casting my vote in the morning when I get up which is about 15 hours from this post.
If you want to help present your can makes points against each other, also feel free to advocate for your own survival pointing your own town points.
See you in just over half a day.
I'll admit that I've made mistakes, but I did what I thought was best and what I thought would make us win. After the game I'll explain what happened with Wuffles. All I can say for myself is that I have done my best and that even though this is my last game on MTGS, at least for a while, that I still feel I've learned from it and enjoyed playing.
I think that you and I were selected to be last, JD, because we are both basically vanilla and have both shown inclinations towards thinking each other were scum at various points. It makes sense for the SK to keep two vanillas who want to lynch other like Digi has done. Whatever you pick JD, this was still a good game and we still got to have a lot of fun.
"Stop, Hammer Time .."
Quickly he turned the dial off, he's not listening to that right now, town square loams ahead and he pulls into a parking space.
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Digi's lack of contribution in the later days of the game make it hard to get a read on him, this is when behaviour is more important IMO than the early stages when everything has a somewhat more random flailing element.
Dragon I have the vague impression that he could be the SK but in comparison to Digi its hard for those feelings to stand up against almost nothing Digi has done.
It comes down to this, if I go with with those slight suspicions lose to someone who basically lurked the entire game, I'll kick myself.
Digi on the other hand has lurked, hasn't defended himself against my case, case a vote without any discussion in LyLo. I tried to give him as much time as possible to participate on the last day in case he in town, but he didnt change his behaviour at all.
Digi you deserve to lose this game.
vote Digi
Time for a write up.
"I am Vampire, born of Vampire! I am 1000 years old. You cannot defe..."
*STAB*
"I'm sorry, Godric..." Digi, Eric Northman, Vampire Viking mutters as he transforms into a splatter of blood on the ground.
The two of you look satisfied as you stand around.
Then Dragonheart stabs jdisawesomesauce in the heart, with a miniature stake.
"Why...?" jd, Stefan Salvatore, Vampire emo says.
"Because...I'm the bad guy" Dragonheart, Angellus, Vampire Serial Killer/Godfather says quietly, as he walks out, whistling.
SERIAL KILLER MASON TEAM WINS.
Full story to be posted appropriately.
But let's just say I may have revealed Tordeck as Dragonheart's role and then to maintain the game state, switched their roles.
I was incredibly tired when i wrote the lynch scene. I have apologized more times than I can count.
Town loses.
Tordeck and I were actually teammates. SKs that were aligned and could talk. After his untimely death, I used our quick topic as my personal journal and theory thread.
I also did my best not to lie, but I have no idea how to get past mass claim time without lying. After that, I let myself go in the last LyLo phase and lied my ass off.
I'm just mad because I caught you DH. I caught you and was pushing your lynch hard, then I stopped and I can't remember why. In hindsight, I should have made more of an effort. I've been lazy in my past few games and it's been costly. GG scum/SK/whatevers.
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I have never been lynched D1 that was strange.
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So basically, I'm saying that I think my role and Void's role balanced way other out and I only came out ahead because Void claiming (and basically claiming who he targeted) gave me enough information to turn his ability against the town.
Oh well. Good game everyone. Sorry I couldn't be of more use.
/barn this.
I was certain that poggydude would be the last scum becasue having a Governor type ability as a SK or scum would be insane. That is the reason why I claimed then. It's almost always a Town ability and still is
I'm not upset if your descion. If I was in your shoes and didn't have the information I have, then I probably would have voted Digi as well. More so since I lurked my to victory in ST:V as the Cult.
You played a good game JD.
As for the mishappen with Wuffles and DH. I'm not sure if that was handled in the best way, but I don't have the experience as a Mod to say for sure. One thing is for sure, if DH had not gained tordeck's role than he would not have won the game.
Wuffles:
If you would please. Explain what happened. I know DH has already posted about it, but I want your side too. It's a little disappointing.
Thanks for the kind words Void.
We lynched the most powerful SK day 1 and then his role gets which to DH. *sigh*
Also if the SK mason won as a team then why on earth did you shot artifice Dragon?
I freaked out and starte messaging Wuffles. When Wuffles got back, he asked me what framed result I wanted to give to you. I was like "lulwut? Ok, you are the boss. Totally framing Reya now"
It was kind of upsetting though to be unable to plan anything with my abilities being messed with and re-ruled all game. I literally felt like this game was me vs the mods instea of me vs the town.
I also do agree that getting the uber-mega power is the only way I could have won with Artfice and tordeck both dead. Otherwise Void would haw just found me in LyLo if not sooner.
I also enjoy all of the people chiming in that they found me then died. That was intentional. I was killing people who were on to me.
FWIW, DH, I caught you on Night 1.
Also, totally called that there would be Cult fearmongering with Foxlet's role when I reviewed this.
Anyway, hope everyone enjoyed the game! I laughed my ass off at AE on Night 1. 8D
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The thing I did wrong was incorrectly switch DH and Tordeck's role.
At the point that it was bought to my attention, it was several hours having been in the thread.
At that point, I felt my only options were to either a) end the game and apologize for ****ing things up;
or
b) roll with it as best I could and ensure that the people that signed up expecting a good game got to have one.
I chose b) because it simply wasn't fair to everyone to end it when there was a fairly simple fix that could have been done.
Azrael agreed with my decision, and, well, Azrael being in my opinion the #1 mafia player in MTGS, was all the approval I needed to validate my choice.
So, DH got a sex-change.
In all honesty though, I was pretty close to spitting the dummy completely halfway through. DH was constantly badgering me about everything, pretty much, and then when Iso stepped in (he was in the right, motivation-wise, in that he wanted to ensure that the game kept going).Should I just have cancelled the game completely when I accidentally spilled keenly role-based info in the thread? Or was I right to do what I did?
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No you shouldn't have cancelled the game, you took the best course of action available given the mistake.
Town didnt really loss anything due to the switch, they still lynched scum, but it put DragonHeart in the awkward position of covering his breadcrumb from day 1.
I might just policy lynch anyone who claimed a mod mistake from now on as the "I can't talk about it as the mod forbade it" defense as its kind of hard to argue with.
I enjoyed the set-up, although putting two huge polarizing roles in the game that are needed to counter each other made the game fairly swingy. As criticism, I would strongly encourage Wuffles to be more careful writing roles in the future. I know that at least myself, Foxlet, and Gricky were all confused by our roles and managed to misunderstand them.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also What did AE's role do?
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Am I glad for the win, sure. Am I happy that DH proved a strong enough player to keep the game going, without a doubt. With all of the mistakes you made as the Mod should this game have been shut down and called a draw, HELL YES.
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I agree with Void. You played well, even with your imposed RP I did catch on that you figured it was Dragon in your re-read. One of the things that tipped me off was that he was, if I remember correctly, the first one to bring up cults and then sit back and watch the fear set in. There were a few other things, but I'm really bad at making cases and everyone had Dragon pretty "pro" town so it would have been an uphill battle. One which I could not put forth the effort to fight at the time.
Thing was, I don't think I wasn't lying at any point. I try not to because I'm a terrible liar and I have a generally crappy memory over minor details. Not that I expected anyone to believe me Since you can see (below), it doesn't say "Town"...and it's not Blue...it also isn't any other color, or cult I was like...well sheet. It's why I was honestly surprised to show up blue when I died. I just KNEW even though it sounded like a cult, that it couldn't be because of the "win with the town" condition. I would have played it WAAAAYYY differently even if it was blue, or said town. Even with that cult wincon.
Not to mention, again game mechanics
While I agree, it kinda sucked that the town lynched such a powerful role D1 and the entire game would have played out entirely differently had Dragon been left with his original role. I don't think Void or I would have claimed N2 had that happened, and all the mess that went on from there.
Having said that, I enjoyed the game a lot Even when I got frustrated I would have been more disappointed had you cancelled it right at the start.
Thing is...After I died, I realized Void wasn't lying on PURPOSE. I couldn't be town and confirmed cult? To me, when I still had time to watch the game, I would have been thinking, well...what IF the other SK has an bastard ability like he ended up having? Look at the excuse Dragon gave for losing his RB ability? Sometimes you have to think outside the strict mafia box.
Yeah, I'd like to know what AE's role actually did too
I know I was gonna say more, but I can't remember
Also, I believe AE was a Redirector with a PR.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
-overreactin to my partner's death
-making myself look scummy day 2 to try and draw out a cop that didn't exist
-makin a claim from a non-vampire show
-starting the cult chatter (although this and the cop one were calculated risks and not necessarily mistakes)
-scum-slipping a couple of times late-game
-allowing my out of game issues to interfere with my gameplay and tipping off poggy
Otherwise I feel like I played very well for 90% of the game, distracted everyone effectively, and stayed mostly townie.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah I wish I didnt let my frustration with Digi get in the way, sorry town. I'm going to actively avoid games with him in it because it kind of ruined the enjoyment for me in the end.
Great game for the first half, thanks wuffles the set up was cool
I'm really bad at making cases or I would have tried to on ya. Something about how you responded to a lot of questions just put me off. And the whole claiming a (vanillified) RB when we already had a non-standard SK w/ RB that died. For me, that was kind of a red flag. Especially given all the other roles floating out there. I know it's gaming the mod, but it seemed Wuff had gone out of his way to be creative so having 2 roleblockers (even if one was SK and one was supposed to be town) just seemed sketch in my mind.
Had my role be more specific (ie you are town or blue color), or had tor shown as a SK mason when he died I would have totally changed the way I played my role. If blue/town I would have just claimed straight cop and left all the other out Had tor fliped part of a SK mason team, I would have claimed a masonizor which would make more sense balance wise (to me anyway)
One of the things I hinted at when Reya claimed after poggy saved him was *IF* I had recruited Reya would we have been able to talk, like masonizors. Would I have been able to pass info to Reya and he would in turn be able to info spew into the thread. Don't know if it would have happened that way, but would have been cool to find out.
@JD - Still think you did a good job overall. I understand the frustration It's why I ultimately self hammered which is something I swore I would never do if I was town.
Even with the issues involved, I'm still glad I was able to play to the end. I really enjoyed the mechanics and some of the roles that popped up.