@Poggydude, is that so, player? Do you like outing town power roles early game for a bs meta call? If I was able, I'd wait and see what i percieve as pure scum behvior for a vig shot, if able.
Your hostility is noted.
yes, i am voting him because i know for a fact that not only is he town, but hat he also posseses a power role. i am trying to deduce the power role so my team knows whether he is better dead or roleblocked.
now that you figured me out i might as well out my whole scumteam:
yes, i am voting him because i know for a fact that not only is he town, but hat he also posseses a power role. i am trying to deduce the power role so my team knows whether he is better dead or roleblocked.
now that you figured me out i might as well out my whole scumteam:
foxlet
archmage eternal
you truly are a force to be recokened with
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You heard it hear first folks.
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In response to me defeating the town in a Perfect Scum Victory in Avatar Mafia:
Man I really vanted to be scum so I could slice up TrickyGimmick, or GimminyTricket, JimmenyCricket...Vhateva the hell it is. But then I'd be killing my scumbuddy so that vouldn't vork.
Hmm, Poggy and the dragon are scum. Thats the game volks. Block them at night so ve get a pervect vin.
Man I really vanted to be scum so I could slice up TrickyGimmick, or GimminyTricket, JimmenyCricket...Vhateva the hell it is. But then I'd be killing my scumbuddy so that vouldn't vork.
Hmm, Poggy and the dragon are scum. Thats the game volks. Block them at night so ve get a pervect vin.
Oh lordie. I'ma crack up when you start saying "One... One perfect scum lynch! Hahahahahahaaaaaaa! Two! Two perfect scum votes! Hahahahahahahaaaaaaa!" If you are who I think you are.
This game is awesome
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power roles get outed all the damn time and all of you know it. im not voting him to out a power role, im voting him because we will get the most value out of a claim from him. he wont use a falseclaim given to him.
the outing a power role intentionally line is pure crap, knock it off
You have failed in your attempt to seriously make someone claim before rvs is over.
@Dragon, I have never played with you, nor have i read any game you have been in. I am basing my fos solely on actions you did in thi game, because you did not deny the reasoning behind poggy wanting you to claim. This is the second time I hage stated this. Please, try and keep up with the rest of the class.
Not denying poggy's reasoning means you want us to believe you are playing a game f lies and dont lie. It doesnt matter what you did in other games. You lied in this game. Which makes you a liar in my book, schnuckems.
And yes, you are defensive because if you think an fos is me attacking you. It's laughable, I dare say.
Keep up the bs, and you might see what it is really like in the digidome.[/COLOR]
power roles get outed all the damn time and all of you know it. im not voting him to out a power role, im voting him because we will get the most value out of a claim from him. he wont use a falseclaim given to him.
the outing a power role intentionally line is pure crap, knock it off
Alright, so please, spell out for me how your "plan" benefits us? I'm not seeing it. Pretend I'm a blithering idiot and make me understand. If this requires repetition, so be it.
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Alright, so please, spell out for me how your "plan" benefits us? I'm not seeing it. Pretend I'm a blithering idiot and make me understand. If this requires repetition, so be it.
simply put i am of the belief that in general towns have a had time finding scum in their first run-up to l-2. Instead of taking a crapshoot with whoever made a dumb mistake like not voting quickly enough or fencesitting or whatever, i would rather run up dragonheart because his claim will be the truth and we will get something valuable out of it regardless. It will stimulate discussion and even if he is town and we out a powerrole we get great discussion emenating from the claim.
simply put i am of the belief that in general towns have a had time finding scum in their first run-up to l-2. Instead of taking a crapshoot with whoever made a dumb mistake like not voting quickly enough or fencesitting or whatever, i would rather run up dragonheart because his claim will be the truth and we will get something valuable out of it regardless. It will stimulate discussion and even if he is town and we out a powerrole we get great discussion emenating from the claim.
Two problems with that:
One, in Mafia in general, sure "Day 1" (Night 1 heh) lynches of scum are hard. But here at MTGS we have a much better than average success rate.
Two, why would we gain more valuable information from a player that is going to answer predictibly?
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@Arti, he didn't exactly prvert the truth, but he did not deny an out right lie in "dragonheart says he doesn't ever lie". Though at some point I'm sure dragonheart said this, it was a lie outright.
Therefore by not denying he (dragonheart) isn't a liar in some fashion, he becomes a liar in my eyes.
For example of this parent logic:
One of my kids breaks something.
I ask them who did it.
Noone says anything.
Then I find out what happened ajd who broke whatever was broke. I then feel as though I hve heen lied to, even though no words were spoken to support my theory.
Fox makes a quick phone call. The person she calls is apparently on speed dial, she talks quietly but she is very animated.
The courier looks around the office trying not to fidget. He is about to leave when Fox holds up a hand to stall him. She hangs up the phone abruptly and pulls out her writing papers from her desk and starts to write.
She folds the letters and seals them with the wax seal of her office. With a stern look she hands the letters to the courier. "Please deliver these letters to whom they are addressed. That will be all".
The letter addressed to the one known as poggydude reads as such:
I find your behavior in poor taste even for creatures such as ourselves. Taking advantage of the one known as Dragonheart91 for their lifestyle choices for no other reason but to gather information that could but only help the murderer or groups of murderers who defiled Iso. Your creative solution to helping solve this murder has me wondering at your true motives behind the vote. When you live as long as we do POWER is the only true motivator anymore. Who has it and who wants it. Regardless of who Dragon professes to be, it is still more information than you had before.
The letter addressed to the one known as Dragonheart91 reads as such:
I'm not sure where your loyalties currently lie, however your eagerness to believe the one known as poggydude is rather surprising giving his recent investigations into your background. Your protectiveness into your background has not gone un-noticed given your lifestyle choices. I do not believe the argument that you potentially a position of POWER is sufficient since it can not be proved nor disproved at this time. I will tell you what I told the other creature, which is thus, I would rather look for the killer(s) rather than digging into your background for no other reason than to see who you are.
A short scribble to the ones known as Artifice 101 and tordeck read as such:
I like your current line of thinking. I hope if any further information comes up about the murder you will forward it to me immediately.
Fox takes the copies of the letters and adds them to the individual files on everyone and puts them in her desk.
(I can't promise I can keep up with the RP the whole game because 1- it takes forever to type and 2- I know it's a PIA to read through)
@Arti, he didn't exactly prvert the truth, but he did not deny an out right lie in "dragonheart says he doesn't ever lie". Though at some point I'm sure dragonheart said this, it was a lie outright. Therefore by not denying he (dragonheart) isn't a liar in some fashion, he becomes a liar in my eyes. For example of this parent logic: One of my kids breaks something. I ask them who did it. Noone says anything. Then I find out what happened ajd who broke whatever was broke. I then feel as though I hve heen lied to, even though no words were spoken to support my theory.
@Poggydude, inappropriate. Cancer is not a joke, nor something that can be related to something such as one's posting style in a game of forum-based mafia. That comment is in horrible taste. Shame on you.
You seem to assume all of us are fools in not seeing what you are or were, trying to acomplish. Which is fish out prs so you and your scum team can have insider information come daybreak for whatever purposed suit your own role(s). The flaw in your plan is that we are not fools.
Good evening sir, please get lynched.
From the shadows behind the gathering of the townfolk he emerged with a look of torment upon his face, one friend already dead while the rest lashed out at each other. Why did this have to happen, the night of the gathering all is ruined now, and who killed iso. He screamed a cry of anguish and vowed revenge on whoever brought such misery into their midst.
"Poggy while dragon has claimed in the past to be without a deceit, the way you try to take advantage of this fact I cannot fathom how it can help us find the killers"
"DCD, I find your logic with respect to the dragons deceit to be confusing to follow, in fact I cannot follow it at all."
With his part said paces off to gaze at the fountain, looking way the body was positioned, a single person couldn't have done this he summises. To hazard a guess I would say that there are 3 killers that need to be found.
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Damnit, why did you guys (Arch, Fox, jd apparently) have to get all the fun ones?
Right now, my radar is up because these same roleplay shenanigans broke Flame Warriors for the scum (one of which was yours truly), but at the same time one of the scum in that game role played, and another faked a post restriction.
That being said, this flavor is much more generalized in this game. I'd say just about anybody could be just about any role, if Wuffles has a wacky imagination. So it can't hurt too badly, can it?
I'm just infinitely curious who the scum would be, flavorfully. Human, vampire, werewolf...? The possibilities boggle, given what I know about my role.
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@Awesomesauce, it is not my intent to confuse.
I don't really know how to explain it other than the way I have. It makes perfect sense to me.
Maybe another example?
Johnny S. tells Natalie Q. he is a cowboy, when in fact, he is a greeter at wal-mart.
Months later, Natalie Q. tells Samantha B. While introducing Samantha B. to Johnny S. that Johnny S. is a cowboy. Johnny S. does not correct Samantha B. or confirm this claim of him being a cowboy. Instead, Johnny S. shakes Natalie Q.'s hand and asks how Samtha B. is doing.
While Johnny did not bold face lie to Natalie, he is still lying to her by letting someone else carry his past lie.
I feel that that is exactly what is going on here. Jot for a second do I believe this not lying garbage. Maybe if we were not current playing a game based on lies and deciet and those that attempt to see through the lies, both parties having no say in which side of the coin they belong on.
That being said, it was merely an fos on dragonheart and nothing more. While I find myself unable to believe that anyone that says they don't lie in a game based on lies, that alone is not enough proof for me to vote dragon over poggy.
I would like to add, officially, that Dragonheart does seem quite paranoid and frazzled by my observation and subsequent fos on him.
Still, openly fishing for prs in rvs is about as scummy as it gets, to me. My vote stands on poggydude.
Fox picks up the phone and dials the number for Artifice 101 "I'm sorry for calling you. I hope you weren't busy? I heard through my sources that you thought non-vampires and maybe even humans may be on this Iso business. Do you have any leads, or is this conjecture at this point?" She pauses and takes a look at the clock. "I hope you don't mind if I call you Art in the future. Please excuse me now, and thank you for your time"
Fox hangs up the phone, makes a few notes in various files and tells herself that as much as desk jobs suck, it's better than being on the streets having to hunt the murderer herself. Her office tidy, she forwards the phones to her home before leaving. She knows it will be a busy rest of the night.
I'm not sure if poggy's actions are scummy or just what he always does to be the first bus in most of the games I have seen him in. I really don't like his scum team post though that is just a bad post.
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non-vampires and maybe even humans may be on this Iso business. Do you have any leads, or is this conjecture at this point?
Pure flavor-based conjecture. Basically, what I know about my role (and my role's backstory) and the genre (some much, I've likely forgotten more than most remember) makes me wonder.
I mean the flavor says he was staked repeatedly. That tends to take werewolves out of the equation I guess. But anything else is reasonably fair game. I just reread: teeth torn out, biten repeatedly, and staked seven times. Those might be actual clues.... Maybe that's the flavor we'll receive depending on which mafioso commits the kill?
The other thing is the flavorful aplication of Night/Day. Humans walk around in sunlight, hence mafia one would think. But, then again, so do some vamps. It is becoming a modern trend: Blade, The Vampire Diaries (with the help of rings), Twilight especially
Anyhow, yeah. I'm the flavor guy yet again in this game.
I'm not sure if poggy's actions are scummy or just what he always does to be the first bus in most of the games I have seen him in. I really don't like his scum team post though that is just a bad post.
Which post number? And why?
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I'm not sure if poggy's actions are scummy or just what he always does to be the first bus in most of the games I have seen him in. I really don't like his scum team post though that is just a bad post.
yeah it was. digicool dad drives me insane. that guy is the absolute worst
alright, so this might sound like a stupid idea, but someone inevitably gets run up for doing something silly that often isnt even a scumtell. so instead of pissing around trying to attack players for what generally amounts to nothing i suggest we run up the guy who will give us the most upon reaching l-2, dragonheart.
this is not an rvs thing i am sincerely suggesting we run up dragonheart, discuss
dragonheart claims to never lie and plans to do this for as long as he can. this means that he will not claim alignement but will claim role abilities.
the good thing about this is that we will be able to act on any information he gives with far more precision than claims from other players.
this also means that we can get his little refusal to claim alignment quirk right out in the open before it happens in a lylo situation with two players who never played with him and they lynch him on those grounds.
Interesting approach to take. If I can generate unique and fun moments or new kinds of discussion, I think I'm doing my job. I don't think it will work though. And yeah good point about the pardon, but I don't think that's a common role and I can't bank on it being in every game.
So basically what this boils down to, is you want to force me to claim my role early without any other discussion going on. Why do you want that? There's numerous roles I could have that would be very bad for the town to reveal. For example, what do you do if I'm the Doctor or Cop in this set-up and you force me to claim Day 1 for no reason?
you could also be a roleblocker, or janitor shot, or some other ability that has very clear anti town implications. i am willing to take the chance that you have a helpful ability(since in stv a good handful of your plans were just the worst.
Ok, that was too much, I'm sorry. I did play badly the first few days and almost got lynched for it, but I really think I played great the last two Days. Personally, I'm proud of how much I contributed considering I was the only actual vanilla town in the game.
You also played badly the first few days before tightening it up and fulfilling your role. Too bad about that modkill.
i absolutely would have investigated seppel if we lynched pb, not like it matters.
my poor play came from a bad gambit and a few bad reads. i acknowledge that. your bad play, however, is the same type of bad play that allows for bad power role decisions. this leads me to believe that getting a claim from you wont be the end the world. youd did fine cracking the set up but i dont think that skill translates too well to power roles
Well to be fair, I did pull an Azel*** (or however it's spelled) in Cyberpunk and shoot two powerful allies in a single night. I still blame Cyan for that though.
Outing power roles is still pretty scummy behavior though.
Overall, this exchange is DUMMMMMMB. It reads as a pissing contest to see who's played worse recently and also as just a creative way to end RVS. I'm really not liking any content here and am fairly neutral on this whole issue. Poggy pulls stunts like this IIRC, so it's thrown out of court.
Fox looks up from a huge pile of papers on her desk. She looks as worn out as an undead can. She glares at the files of several "people" she has spread on her desk on and mutters to herself "Why no love for RVS".
She looks up as a courier comes in with new information regarding the murder of Iso. Sure he was a troublemaker but no one deserved to die like that. She scans the papers and doesn't like what she sees.
Vote Poggy
First, is the PR real?
Second, Vote Foxlet. Weaksauce. No reasoning, and if there were, it would be weaksauce. Opportunistic.
Finally, I find it funny how you fret over Iso's body so much, given that he was the cause of such frustration in Trisk.
I do not feel that outing any potential power role this early based purely on a, frankly, unbelievable meta is a good idea.
I also distrust anyone that says the never lie. double fos at poggydude and dragonheart
This is my serious face. Feeshy, feeshy smells coming off those two.
@Duca Luca, you see me postin', you hatin'...
I have trouble reading your posts and understanding some of what you say, but I'm reading this and you as town.
I haven't said a thing about that this game Digicool. Therefore you just Fosed me based on meta... Or in other words, you think I'm likely to be scum based on my past games. Yeah, that sounds like a convenient excuse for scum to use.
Vote Digicooldad
Weaksauce vote. Weaksauce reasoning. Weaksauce. But at least you post reasoning in your post. A small step above Foxlet.
@Dragonheart, You have not denied this "i tell no lies" schtick, so I'm assuming you're trying to pass off that crap meta call poggy made on you.
Notice how I said crap meta? Because almost any meta argumnt is crap.
You, young man, have earned my fos for attempting to make us believe you do not lie in this game by not denying your own meta being put against you.
Everyone lies. Whether it is straight up perverting the truth, or secret keeping or even lying to one's self in order to accept the world a little easier. Since there wae no denial, I can only assume you want us to believe some old stinky crap.
Another post that gives me townie vibes. Also, don't discount the meta bro. I lost a game recently because I purposely ignored a players scummy meta. Meta is a tool, and while it might not work on every part in the car, sometimes it's the only tool for the job.
yes, i am voting him because i know for a fact that not only is he town, but hat he also posseses a power role. i am trying to deduce the power role so my team knows whether he is better dead or roleblocked.
now that you figured me out i might as well out my whole scumteam:
Man I really vanted to be scum so I could slice up TrickyGimmick, or GimminyTricket, JimmenyCricket...Vhateva the hell it is. But then I'd be killing my scumbuddy so that vouldn't vork.
Hmm, Poggy and the dragon are scum. Thats the game volks. Block them at night so ve get a pervect vin.
Yup, I'm Jimminy aka your conscience. Listen to what I say!
I considered it slightly strange that this scumbuddy accusation comes after Poggy's list with AE named as scum. Seems like AE is trying to toss WIFOM on a pile of bad moves made by Poggy, like possibly posting the scumteam in thread. It's a joke by AE, but made me think a little.
I do so love killing the RVS. I hate wasting time dicking around instead of scumhunting.
Yup. This is why I think it was all shenanigans to kill the RVS rather than a serious discussion. Also why I'm mostly ignoring the shenanigans and focusing on the effects of the shenanigans, such as Foxlet's easysauce vote and DCD's townie-feeling posts.
Alright, so please, spell out for me how your "plan" benefits us? I'm not seeing it. Pretend I'm a blithering idiot and make me understand. If this requires repetition, so be it.
Agreed. Reading it the way it is makes me feel like a blithering idiot already.
Fox makes a quick phone call. The person she calls is apparently on speed dial, she talks quietly but she is very animated.
The courier looks around the office trying not to fidget. He is about to leave when Fox holds up a hand to stall him. She hangs up the phone abruptly and pulls out her writing papers from her desk and starts to write.
She folds the letters and seals them with the wax seal of her office. With a stern look she hands the letters to the courier. "Please deliver these letters to whom they are addressed. That will be all".
The letter addressed to the one known as poggydude reads as such:
I find your behavior in poor taste even for creatures such as ourselves. Taking advantage of the one known as Dragonheart91 for their lifestyle choices for no other reason but to gather information that could but only help the murderer or groups of murderers who defiled Iso. Your creative solution to helping solve this murder has me wondering at your true motives behind the vote. When you live as long as we do POWER is the only true motivator anymore. Who has it and who wants it. Regardless of who Dragon professes to be, it is still more information than you had before.
The letter addressed to the one known as Dragonheart91 reads as such:
I'm not sure where your loyalties currently lie, however your eagerness to believe the one known as poggydude is rather surprising giving his recent investigations into your background. Your protectiveness into your background has not gone un-noticed given your lifestyle choices. I do not believe the argument that you potentially a position of POWER is sufficient since it can not be proved nor disproved at this time. I will tell you what I told the other creature, which is thus, I would rather look for the killer(s) rather than digging into your background for no other reason than to see who you are.
A short scribble to the ones known as Artifice 101 and tordeck read as such:
I like your current line of thinking. I hope if any further information comes up about the murder you will forward it to me immediately.
Fox takes the copies of the letters and adds them to the individual files on everyone and puts them in her desk.
(I can't promise I can keep up with the RP the whole game because 1- it takes forever to type and 2- I know it's a PIA to read through)
Gawd, post normal if you can. I love post restrictions like a fat kid loves a 24 hour multicultural buffet, but it's hard to read. Also, should we assume that the reasoning for your Pog vote lies in your address to Pog?
@Poggydude, inappropriate. Cancer is not a joke, nor something that can be related to something such as one's posting style in a game of forum-based mafia. That comment is in horrible taste. Shame on you.
You seem to assume all of us are fools in not seeing what you are or were, trying to acomplish. Which is fish out prs so you and your scum team can have insider information come daybreak for whatever purposed suit your own role(s). The flaw in your plan is that we are not fools.
Good evening sir, please get lynched.
That's right.
Am...am I getting trolled? *criestoself*
That's not how this works sir. I troll you, not the other way around. You're doing it wrong, now we have to start over. WUFFLES! Repost the signup, DCD did it wrong.
From the shadows behind the gathering of the townfolk he emerged with a look of torment upon his face, one friend already dead while the rest lashed out at each other. Why did this have to happen, the night of the gathering all is ruined now, and who killed iso. He screamed a cry of anguish and vowed revenge on whoever brought such misery into their midst.
"Poggy while dragon has claimed in the past to be without a deceit, the way you try to take advantage of this fact I cannot fathom how it can help us find the killers"
"DCD, I find your logic with respect to the dragons deceit to be confusing to follow, in fact I cannot follow it at all."
With his part said paces off to gaze at the fountain, looking way the body was positioned, a single person couldn't have done this he summises. To hazard a guess I would say that there are 3 killers that need to be found.
This post makes me think "If I were new scum with a PR/RP, I would try and mention mourning the dead a lot too." New scum are prone to this, except that it's normally an issue on D2 or beyond, as people don't normally mourn the dead town NPC. It's a weaktell, but worth noting.
I'm not sure if poggy's actions are scummy or just what he always does to be the first bus in most of the games I have seen him in. I really don't like his scum team post though that is just a bad post.
So where do you stand on Poggy? Also, analysis on why Poggy's scumteam post is bad plz. Your post is fencesitty.
Effing crazy people. Also, Art strikes me as scum, Tordeck makes sense, and everyone else needs to post more. IIRC, some people haven't made a post yet. That needs to change.
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power roles get outed all the damn time and all of you know it. im not voting him to out a power role, im voting him because we will get the most value out of a claim from him. he wont use a falseclaim given to him.
the outing a power role intentionally line is pure crap, knock it off
Here is the main point. You’re willing to risk the chances of outing a PR with this horrid crap you are bringing to the table.
I'm not sure if poggy's actions are scummy or just what he always does to be the first bus in most of the games I have seen him in. I really don't like his scum team post though that is just a bad post.
Would you please more specific in what comes across as bad to you? The entire post? Just part of it?
The fountain continued to pump its crimson waters occasionally when the wind gusts spraying a fine mist of what used to be Iso across the pavement, painting the landscape red. He sits on the park bench oblivious to it all, pondering the events so far this night.
Artifice's observation of three killing methods does seem to confirm 3 killers, a depressing thought.
Then it dawned on him what AE said
Man I really vanted to be scum so I could slice up TrickyGimmick, or GimminyTricket, JimmenyCricket...Vhateva the hell it is. But then I'd be killing my scumbuddy so that vouldn't vork.
Hmm, Poggy and the dragon are scum. Thats the game volks. Block them at night so ve get a pervect vin.
He promptly stands and seeks out AE to confront him.
"AE, Poggydude suggested that foxlet, and yourself were his accomplices in the murder of Iso, yet in your responce you say you wish you had been a killer so you could kill trickygimmick, but that out because he is your accomplice.
But no-one suggested that Gimmick was working with you but you, a slip of the tongue?"
vote AE
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
Even if it isn’t serious there is no need to respond to a single vote the way you did. Why are you paranoid already?
Here is the main point. You’re willing to risk the chances of outing a PR with this horrid crap you are bringing to the table.
Vote: poggydude
You do realize that every time the town runs a player up to L-2 and asks for a claim, they risk outing a PR, right? What poggy is doing shouldn't matter for the PR's sake, all he's doing is skipping the arguing and discussion and picking a name out of a hat to lynch, based on some reasoning about lying and whatnot, so I guess it's not as random as name-hat as I thought. His argument isn't "hurr hurr, let's out a PR" it's "Dragon is the best suspect because he promised he wouldn't lie, better info" which is flawed, but then again, I'm pretty sure Poggy knows this and doesn't care.
So yeah, his idea of running up Dragon and skipping the discussion would out no more PR's than discussion and picking a scummy player would. Actually, lemme take that back, the latter option would provide slightly more of a chance to not out a PR, mostly because behavior analysis tends to lead to more informed lynches, but on D1 when everything's a crapshoot and some townies are invariably on other players scumlists, I see Poggy's idea and normal play being equally likely to out a Town PR.
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You do realize that every time the town runs a player up to L-2 and asks for a claim, they risk outing a PR, right? What poggy is doing shouldn't matter for the PR's sake, all he's doing is skipping the arguing and discussion and picking a name out of a hat to lynch, based on some reasoning about lying and whatnot, so I guess it's not as random as name-hat as I thought. His argument isn't "hurr hurr, let's out a PR" it's "Dragon is the best suspect because he promised he wouldn't lie, better info" which is flawed, but then again, I'm pretty sure Poggy knows this and doesn't care.
So yeah, his idea of running up Dragon and skipping the discussion would out no more PR's than discussion and picking a scummy player would. Actually, lemme take that back, the latter option would provide slightly more of a chance to not out a PR, mostly because behavior analysis tends to lead to more informed lynches, but on D1 when everything's a crapshoot and some townies are invariably on other players scumlists, I see Poggy's idea and normal play being equally likely to out a Town PR.
For those that are new or just not in the know. Dragon, first in the Theory thread and then in both Cyberpunk and ST: Voyager established a trust tell stating that he doesn't outright lie in games. If you want to know more then just go read those threads and make your own judgements on it.
I for one having been in Cyberpunk with him and having modded ST: Voyager will take it at face value until proven otherwise.
But that does not mean we need to run him up just to get a claim for the sake of claiming. That is my issue with poggy and why I feel he is scum. He just wants to fish as much info as he can so that his team will have better odds when it comes to Daybreak.
Couple that with his load of WIFOM with the "outing" of his teammates, well I am pretty sure of who I want to see in the noose first.
Fox, dont let the haters get ya down. As long as you are providing content and its understandable keep up the role play. In the end we are all here to have fun.
Fox scans her email at all the new information that continues to roll in. She flags a few email to respond to at a later date forwards a few more to her work computer. Fox thinks a moment to think before starting to type out several email.
To the one known as GrickyTimmick:
I realize Iso might not have been the most, shall we say perfect vampire in Stakesville, but the point is that he has been murdered by a several people. While his past transgressions are troubling, he was also my friend in my previous life and we are currently gathered here to find out who killed him. If you are not helping the investigations then you are hindering them. While I find your logic refreshing in some respects, I find some of your reasoning flawed. It has come to my attention that you have left yourself open in respects on your position with the suspicious poggy person. You mention taking everything with a "grain of salt" (if my intel is correct), and yet you take into serious consideration the list of murderers which he posted. What I find suspicious in all this, aside that my name is of course included on it, is that it was shortly after serious suspicion started falling upon him. I should also note that the one known as Archmage Eternal did exactly the same with you and now it's a way to muddy the water? The whole scenario is suspicious to me, but I haven't decided what to make of it yet. I will be keeping a better eye on you. While I know what poggy was trying to say you said it better. I still don't like the idea behind it, no matter how well it's said.
Fox sighs and rubs her eyes. She keeps thinking there is something she is forgetting. With a flash of insight she makes a quick phonecall to her boss.
Unvote
She makes a few quick notes in her personnel files. She doesn't like that poggy fellow, however she also doesn't like the speed on which everyone is casting votes. She would like far more information to come forward before anyone starts telling secrets.
#1 I am more than happy to be deceitful when it doesn't involve direct literal lies. Deceit =/= lies in my opinion.
#2 poggydude always does stupid **** like this. Doesn't mean he's town, doesn't mean he' scum either. I'm not sure what to make of him yet.
1. You telling me that you don't lie does nothing for me. You may not lie, or you may be lying about your lying habits. Whether you lie or not affects nothing but your personal gratification. Here, it's not valid to believe that you don't lie, at least not valid for other players. Normally, your insistence that you don't lie would ping my scumdar. Since you have precedent for this behavior in other threads, its a moot point.
2. This is precisely why I said I take Poggy's posts with a grain of salt.
Fox scans her email at all the new information that continues to roll in. She flags a few email to respond to at a later date forwards a few more to her work computer. Fox thinks a moment to think before starting to type out several email.
To the one known as GrickyTimmick:
I realize Iso might not have been the most, shall we say perfect vampire in Stakesville, but the point is that he has been murdered by a several people. While his past transgressions are troubling, he was also my friend in my previous life and we are currently gathered here to find out who killed him. If you are not helping the investigations then you are hindering them. While I find your logic refreshing in some respects, I find some of your reasoning flawed. It has come to my attention that you have left yourself open in respects on your position with the suspicious poggy person. You mention taking everything with a "grain of salt" (if my intel is correct), and yet you take into serious consideration the list of murderers which he posted. What I find suspicious in all this, aside that my name is of course included on it, is that it was shortly after serious suspicion started falling upon him. I should also note that the one known as Archmage Eternal did exactly the same with you and now it's a way to muddy the water? The whole scenario is suspicious to me, but I haven't decided what to make of it yet. I will be keeping a better eye on you. While I know what poggy was trying to say you said it better. I still don't like the idea behind it, no matter how well it's said.
Fox sighs and rubs her eyes. She keeps thinking there is something she is forgetting. With a flash of insight she makes a quick phonecall to her boss.
Unvote
She makes a few quick notes in her personnel files. She doesn't like that poggy fellow, however she also doesn't like the speed on which everyone is casting votes. She would like far more information to come forward before anyone starts telling secrets.
Poggy's list of scum, even in a sarcastic tone like he posted, is always going to be worth noting. When a player pretend outs himself and his scumteam, I'm going to keep track of it. It would be daft of me not to. I'm currently neutral on Poggy, but if any of the players in his sarcasm list turns out to be scum, then the list becomes much more important.
Secondly, you assume that because he posts the list, I'm taking it very seriously. I know that Pog is joking in his post, and it seems like the kind of joke that Pog would make to eff with the town's head, regardless of alignment. It's a neutral point really, but I'm noting it because it may be important later. It's still taken with a grain of salt, but filed away for a better time, so don't insinuate that my stance is suddenly switching on him.
Lastly, AE's contribution and how it muddies the water all has to do with timing. Pog posts his sarcastic jokey scumteam that may or may not be 100% accurate, and names AE. AE checks in after that post and makes another scumbuddy joke, without any real provocation. Now, let's assume that Poggy's list was right and it was a very risky way to WIFOM the town. Assuming the scum don't have "night"talk, Pog's buddies wouldn't be ready for that and would probably be pretty pissed/worried. So, how would the buddies respond to try and thwart this scum-team reveal? Muddle the mixture. If the buddies can create confusion surrounding the buddying comments, they might be able to avoid a total meltdown from the Pog post. So, when AE steps in after Pog's list and is all jokey about being my buddy, it could very well be AE's attempt to put some much needed distance in between the scumteam.
Here's some other thoughts:
Note that Foxlet nor AE had anything direct to say about that list. It's a pretty eventful thing that a few people have commented on so far, so why isn't this a point of discussion with them?
Because Pog is such a dynamite personality, I do believe that he would try a stunt like posting the scumteam in the thread and try to get away with it. For an already risky player, pulling a gambit like this off would come with serious bragging rights. This might be a bit crass of me, but I feel like Poggy is the kind of player who might want those bragging rights.
At this point in time, I don't feel like acting on the Pog list mostly because it IS a bunch of WIFOM. My votes and decisions will have nothing to do with the list until there is information available to apply to it. It just so happens that I'm getting a scum vibe from Foxlet, so that information may not be unavailable for too long if the vibe continues.
Do we have three Post Restrictions in the game? I count Foxlet and JDsauce, is there are third? If so, one of them's scum.
@Foxlet: Where can I find your Pog vote reasoning? Also, you mention that you agree with some points of mine and pointed out the things you have a problem with. What did you agree with? I'm guessing it wasn't my vote on you or that you haven't given your own reasoning for your Pog vote.
Aside from that list, there hasn't been much that's bothered my about Poggy. The only other thing I can think of is whether or not he's serious about the Dragon thing. If he's serious, it's a terrible idea, but I understand his line of thought and is really only a minor issue with me.
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Finally, I find it funny how you fret over Iso's body so much, given that he was the cause of such frustration in Trisk.
How does this even make sense? Iso is just the NPC death at the beginning of the game. Why hold a grudge for what basically translates as a piece of furniture?
Agreed. Reading it the way it is makes me feel like a blithering idiot already.
I still don't feel like his plan is townie enough to make sense. That being said, I won't vote him for virtually the same reasons you have. He's too "out there" at the moment, and given time I think he'll hang himself as scum.
That's not how this works sir. I troll you, not the other way around. You're doing it wrong, now we have to start over. WUFFLES! Repost the signup, DCD did it wrong.
I lol'd
This post makes me think "If I were new scum with a PR/RP, I would try and mention mourning the dead a lot too." New scum are prone to this, except that it's normally an issue on D2 or beyond, as people don't normally mourn the dead town NPC. It's a weaktell, but worth noting.
So wait. His roleplay isn't ok, but everyone else's is? Why? I think he's playing his character as a tragic, brooding figure. Not commenting in a scummy way.
IIRC, some people haven't made a post yet. That needs to change.
Can we ask you to post more? I hate that you're so hard to read because of your post frequency.
1. You telling me that you don't lie does nothing for me. You may not lie, or you may be lying about your lying habits. Whether you lie or not affects nothing but your personal gratification. Here, it's not valid to believe that you don't lie, at least not valid for other players. Normally, your insistence that you don't lie would ping my scumdar. Since you have precedent for this behavior in other threads, its a moot point.
2. This is precisely why I said I take Poggy's posts with a grain of salt.
I don't really care to discuss the topic of my personal posting restriction. poggydude started this conversation and tried to witch hunt me for it, which is odd considering that this is the first game where he's done that and not the first game I've played with him. Shall we move on?
Do we have three Post Restrictions in the game? I count Foxlet and JDsauce, is there are third? If so, one of them's scum.
The rules recommend roleplaying. The only reasons I'm not doing it myself are because:
#1 I forgot in the first few posts and didn't want to start after that.
#2 I don't know my character well enough to roleplay them effectively.
But in any case, roleplaying is not likely to be inherently scummy in this game.
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Damnit, why did you guys (Arch, Fox, jd apparently) have to get all the fun ones?
Right now, my radar is up because these same roleplay shenanigans broke Flame Warriors for the scum (one of which was yours truly), but at the same time one of the scum in that game role played, and another faked a post restriction.
That being said, this flavor is much more generalized in this game. I'd say just about anybody could be just about any role, if Wuffles has a wacky imagination. So it can't hurt too badly, can it?
I'm just infinitely curious who the scum would be, flavorfully. Human, vampire, werewolf...? The possibilities boggle, given what I know about my role.
This post really pings my scumdar. It's trying to accuse roleplaying (a neutral action as far as I'm concerned) of being scummy. Then he's breadcrumbing for potential falseclaims. Then he tries to figure out what race everyone is. (To protect himself from falseclaiming incorrectly possibly?) Oh, then he drops a breadcrumb that will let him spread more wifom.
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I feel like we should run him up to L-2 first so that he doesn't have a chance to see anyone else claim first.
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In response to me defeating the town in a Perfect Scum Victory in Avatar Mafia:
Fox scans her email, reading the response from the Gricky. She closes her eyes for a moment to gather her thoughts then starts typing her response.
To the one known as Gricky:
First, I hope you don't mind me calling you Gricky. It's a real time saver! I like to be efficient when I can. Now down to business. I will forward you a copy of the letter I sent to the one known as poggydude. In short, I found his actions were deplorable in regards to Dragon. As for his list, I too made a note of it, having been deceived by lists such as those before. I hesitate to mention it, but his antics rather remind me of the recently departed. I made no mention of it at the time because in regards to my name being on it, I have no concerns where my loyalties lie. I only mentioned it when I did because of Archmages puzzling response and yours after that. I wanted to see what all the "players" had to say, so to speak.
yes, i am voting him because i know for a fact that not only is he town, but hat he also posseses a power role. i am trying to deduce the power role so my team knows whether he is better dead or roleblocked.
now that you figured me out i might as well out my whole scumteam:
foxlet
archmage eternal
you truly are a force to be recokened with
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Vote poggydude - Bad gambits are bad. Couple with a nice spew of WIFOM and we gots our first scum dead to rights
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Hmm, Poggy and the dragon are scum. Thats the game volks. Block them at night so ve get a pervect vin.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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this
Oh lordie. I'ma crack up when you start saying "One... One perfect scum lynch! Hahahahahahaaaaaaa! Two! Two perfect scum votes! Hahahahahahahaaaaaaa!" If you are who I think you are.
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the outing a power role intentionally line is pure crap, knock it off
omg.
@Art.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
You have failed in your attempt to seriously make someone claim before rvs is over.
@Dragon, I have never played with you, nor have i read any game you have been in. I am basing my fos solely on actions you did in thi game, because you did not deny the reasoning behind poggy wanting you to claim. This is the second time I hage stated this. Please, try and keep up with the rest of the class.
Not denying poggy's reasoning means you want us to believe you are playing a game f lies and dont lie. It doesnt matter what you did in other games. You lied in this game. Which makes you a liar in my book, schnuckems.
And yes, you are defensive because if you think an fos is me attacking you. It's laughable, I dare say.
Keep up the bs, and you might see what it is really like in the digidome.[/COLOR]
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Alright, so please, spell out for me how your "plan" benefits us? I'm not seeing it. Pretend I'm a blithering idiot and make me understand. If this requires repetition, so be it.
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@DCD: Where did he do this?
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WHAT
THE
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ARE
YOU
TALKING
ABOUT???
simply put i am of the belief that in general towns have a had time finding scum in their first run-up to l-2. Instead of taking a crapshoot with whoever made a dumb mistake like not voting quickly enough or fencesitting or whatever, i would rather run up dragonheart because his claim will be the truth and we will get something valuable out of it regardless. It will stimulate discussion and even if he is town and we out a powerrole we get great discussion emenating from the claim.
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One, in Mafia in general, sure "Day 1" (Night 1 heh) lynches of scum are hard. But here at MTGS we have a much better than average success rate.
Two, why would we gain more valuable information from a player that is going to answer predictibly?
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Didn't deny he wasn't what?
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Therefore by not denying he (dragonheart) isn't a liar in some fashion, he becomes a liar in my eyes.
For example of this parent logic:
One of my kids breaks something.
I ask them who did it.
Noone says anything.
Then I find out what happened ajd who broke whatever was broke. I then feel as though I hve heen lied to, even though no words were spoken to support my theory.
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The courier looks around the office trying not to fidget. He is about to leave when Fox holds up a hand to stall him. She hangs up the phone abruptly and pulls out her writing papers from her desk and starts to write.
She folds the letters and seals them with the wax seal of her office. With a stern look she hands the letters to the courier. "Please deliver these letters to whom they are addressed. That will be all".
The letter addressed to the one known as poggydude reads as such:
I find your behavior in poor taste even for creatures such as ourselves. Taking advantage of the one known as Dragonheart91 for their lifestyle choices for no other reason but to gather information that could but only help the murderer or groups of murderers who defiled Iso. Your creative solution to helping solve this murder has me wondering at your true motives behind the vote. When you live as long as we do POWER is the only true motivator anymore. Who has it and who wants it. Regardless of who Dragon professes to be, it is still more information than you had before.
The letter addressed to the one known as Dragonheart91 reads as such:
I'm not sure where your loyalties currently lie, however your eagerness to believe the one known as poggydude is rather surprising giving his recent investigations into your background. Your protectiveness into your background has not gone un-noticed given your lifestyle choices. I do not believe the argument that you potentially a position of POWER is sufficient since it can not be proved nor disproved at this time. I will tell you what I told the other creature, which is thus, I would rather look for the killer(s) rather than digging into your background for no other reason than to see who you are.
A short scribble to the ones known as Artifice 101 and tordeck read as such:
I like your current line of thinking. I hope if any further information comes up about the murder you will forward it to me immediately.
Fox takes the copies of the letters and adds them to the individual files on everyone and puts them in her desk.
(I can't promise I can keep up with the RP the whole game because 1- it takes forever to type and 2- I know it's a PIA to read through)
I cant see where outing a possible power role D1 just because you can is the best idea. How bout trying to actually scum hunt. Now thats a good plan.
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your posts give me cancer
You seem to assume all of us are fools in not seeing what you are or were, trying to acomplish. Which is fish out prs so you and your scum team can have insider information come daybreak for whatever purposed suit your own role(s). The flaw in your plan is that we are not fools.
Good evening sir, please get lynched.
That's right.
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Real quick, do you think poggy is town? If so, why?
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"Poggy while dragon has claimed in the past to be without a deceit, the way you try to take advantage of this fact I cannot fathom how it can help us find the killers"
"DCD, I find your logic with respect to the dragons deceit to be confusing to follow, in fact I cannot follow it at all."
With his part said paces off to gaze at the fountain, looking way the body was positioned, a single person couldn't have done this he summises. To hazard a guess I would say that there are 3 killers that need to be found.
Right now, my radar is up because these same roleplay shenanigans broke Flame Warriors for the scum (one of which was yours truly), but at the same time one of the scum in that game role played, and another faked a post restriction.
That being said, this flavor is much more generalized in this game. I'd say just about anybody could be just about any role, if Wuffles has a wacky imagination. So it can't hurt too badly, can it?
I'm just infinitely curious who the scum would be, flavorfully. Human, vampire, werewolf...? The possibilities boggle, given what I know about my role.
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I don't really know how to explain it other than the way I have. It makes perfect sense to me.
Maybe another example?
Johnny S. tells Natalie Q. he is a cowboy, when in fact, he is a greeter at wal-mart.
Months later, Natalie Q. tells Samantha B. While introducing Samantha B. to Johnny S. that Johnny S. is a cowboy. Johnny S. does not correct Samantha B. or confirm this claim of him being a cowboy. Instead, Johnny S. shakes Natalie Q.'s hand and asks how Samtha B. is doing.
While Johnny did not bold face lie to Natalie, he is still lying to her by letting someone else carry his past lie.
I feel that that is exactly what is going on here. Jot for a second do I believe this not lying garbage. Maybe if we were not current playing a game based on lies and deciet and those that attempt to see through the lies, both parties having no say in which side of the coin they belong on.
That being said, it was merely an fos on dragonheart and nothing more. While I find myself unable to believe that anyone that says they don't lie in a game based on lies, that alone is not enough proof for me to vote dragon over poggy.
I would like to add, officially, that Dragonheart does seem quite paranoid and frazzled by my observation and subsequent fos on him.
Still, openly fishing for prs in rvs is about as scummy as it gets, to me. My vote stands on poggydude.
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Fox hangs up the phone, makes a few notes in various files and tells herself that as much as desk jobs suck, it's better than being on the streets having to hunt the murderer herself. Her office tidy, she forwards the phones to her home before leaving. She knows it will be a busy rest of the night.
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I mean the flavor says he was staked repeatedly.
That tends to take werewolves out of the equation I guess. But anything else is reasonably fair game.I just reread: teeth torn out, biten repeatedly, and staked seven times. Those might be actual clues.... Maybe that's the flavor we'll receive depending on which mafioso commits the kill?The other thing is the flavorful aplication of Night/Day. Humans walk around in sunlight, hence mafia one would think. But, then again, so do some vamps. It is becoming a modern trend: Blade, The Vampire Diaries (with the help of rings), Twilight especially
Anyhow, yeah. I'm the flavor guy yet again in this game.
Which post number? And why?
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yeah it was. digicool dad drives me insane. that guy is the absolute worst
What's this trust tell?
Overall, this exchange is DUMMMMMMB. It reads as a pissing contest to see who's played worse recently and also as just a creative way to end RVS. I'm really not liking any content here and am fairly neutral on this whole issue. Poggy pulls stunts like this IIRC, so it's thrown out of court.
First, is the PR real?
Second, Vote Foxlet. Weaksauce. No reasoning, and if there were, it would be weaksauce. Opportunistic.
Finally, I find it funny how you fret over Iso's body so much, given that he was the cause of such frustration in Trisk.
I have trouble reading your posts and understanding some of what you say, but I'm reading this and you as town.
Weaksauce vote. Weaksauce reasoning. Weaksauce. But at least you post reasoning in your post. A small step above Foxlet.
Another post that gives me townie vibes. Also, don't discount the meta bro. I lost a game recently because I purposely ignored a players scummy meta. Meta is a tool, and while it might not work on every part in the car, sometimes it's the only tool for the job.
Directing now, eh? Not a fan of this, but you are a wild-card. I'm taking just about everything you say with a grain of salt here.
Noted.
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I considered it slightly strange that this scumbuddy accusation comes after Poggy's list with AE named as scum. Seems like AE is trying to toss WIFOM on a pile of bad moves made by Poggy, like possibly posting the scumteam in thread. It's a joke by AE, but made me think a little.
Yup. This is why I think it was all shenanigans to kill the RVS rather than a serious discussion. Also why I'm mostly ignoring the shenanigans and focusing on the effects of the shenanigans, such as Foxlet's easysauce vote and DCD's townie-feeling posts.
Agreed. Reading it the way it is makes me feel like a blithering idiot already.
Gawd, post normal if you can. I love post restrictions like a fat kid loves a 24 hour multicultural buffet, but it's hard to read. Also, should we assume that the reasoning for your Pog vote lies in your address to Pog?
I'm confused by them, but they remind me of myself early on as newb-town. One of a few reasons he's leaning town to me.
Agreed on hunting scum. Seems like a winning plan. WINNING!
Am...am I getting trolled? *criestoself*
That's not how this works sir. I troll you, not the other way around. You're doing it wrong, now we have to start over. WUFFLES! Repost the signup, DCD did it wrong.
This post makes me think "If I were new scum with a PR/RP, I would try and mention mourning the dead a lot too." New scum are prone to this, except that it's normally an issue on D2 or beyond, as people don't normally mourn the dead town NPC. It's a weaktell, but worth noting.
So where do you stand on Poggy? Also, analysis on why Poggy's scumteam post is bad plz. Your post is fencesitty.
Effing crazy people. Also, Art strikes me as scum, Tordeck makes sense, and everyone else needs to post more. IIRC, some people haven't made a post yet. That needs to change.
Even if it isn’t serious there is no need to respond to a single vote the way you did. Why are you paranoid already?
Here is the main point. You’re willing to risk the chances of outing a PR with this horrid crap you are bringing to the table.
Vote: poggydude
Would you please more specific in what comes across as bad to you? The entire post? Just part of it?
Artifice's observation of three killing methods does seem to confirm 3 killers, a depressing thought.
Then it dawned on him what AE said
He promptly stands and seeks out AE to confront him.
"AE, Poggydude suggested that foxlet, and yourself were his accomplices in the murder of Iso, yet in your responce you say you wish you had been a killer so you could kill trickygimmick, but that out because he is your accomplice.
But no-one suggested that Gimmick was working with you but you, a slip of the tongue?"
vote AE
i asked for reasons behind my vote. how is that an innapropriate response? how is that paranoia?
you might very well be worse than DCD time will tell
You do realize that every time the town runs a player up to L-2 and asks for a claim, they risk outing a PR, right? What poggy is doing shouldn't matter for the PR's sake, all he's doing is skipping the arguing and discussion and picking a name out of a hat to lynch, based on some reasoning about lying and whatnot, so I guess it's not as random as name-hat as I thought. His argument isn't "hurr hurr, let's out a PR" it's "Dragon is the best suspect because he promised he wouldn't lie, better info" which is flawed, but then again, I'm pretty sure Poggy knows this and doesn't care.
So yeah, his idea of running up Dragon and skipping the discussion would out no more PR's than discussion and picking a scummy player would. Actually, lemme take that back, the latter option would provide slightly more of a chance to not out a PR, mostly because behavior analysis tends to lead to more informed lynches, but on D1 when everything's a crapshoot and some townies are invariably on other players scumlists, I see Poggy's idea and normal play being equally likely to out a Town PR.
Oh god, logical posts, how ive missed you so
I for one having been in Cyberpunk with him and having modded ST: Voyager will take it at face value until proven otherwise.
But that does not mean we need to run him up just to get a claim for the sake of claiming. That is my issue with poggy and why I feel he is scum. He just wants to fish as much info as he can so that his team will have better odds when it comes to Daybreak.
Couple that with his load of WIFOM with the "outing" of his teammates, well I am pretty sure of who I want to see in the noose first.
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Fox, dont let the haters get ya down. As long as you are providing content and its understandable keep up the role play. In the end we are all here to have fun.
The Family
#2 poggydude always does stupid **** like this. Doesn't mean he's town, doesn't mean he' scum either. I'm not sure what to make of him yet.
To the one known as GrickyTimmick:
I realize Iso might not have been the most, shall we say perfect vampire in Stakesville, but the point is that he has been murdered by a several people. While his past transgressions are troubling, he was also my friend in my previous life and we are currently gathered here to find out who killed him. If you are not helping the investigations then you are hindering them. While I find your logic refreshing in some respects, I find some of your reasoning flawed. It has come to my attention that you have left yourself open in respects on your position with the suspicious poggy person. You mention taking everything with a "grain of salt" (if my intel is correct), and yet you take into serious consideration the list of murderers which he posted. What I find suspicious in all this, aside that my name is of course included on it, is that it was shortly after serious suspicion started falling upon him. I should also note that the one known as Archmage Eternal did exactly the same with you and now it's a way to muddy the water? The whole scenario is suspicious to me, but I haven't decided what to make of it yet. I will be keeping a better eye on you. While I know what poggy was trying to say you said it better. I still don't like the idea behind it, no matter how well it's said.
Fox sighs and rubs her eyes. She keeps thinking there is something she is forgetting. With a flash of insight she makes a quick phonecall to her boss.
Unvote
She makes a few quick notes in her personnel files. She doesn't like that poggy fellow, however she also doesn't like the speed on which everyone is casting votes. She would like far more information to come forward before anyone starts telling secrets.
1. You telling me that you don't lie does nothing for me. You may not lie, or you may be lying about your lying habits. Whether you lie or not affects nothing but your personal gratification. Here, it's not valid to believe that you don't lie, at least not valid for other players. Normally, your insistence that you don't lie would ping my scumdar. Since you have precedent for this behavior in other threads, its a moot point.
2. This is precisely why I said I take Poggy's posts with a grain of salt.
Poggy's list of scum, even in a sarcastic tone like he posted, is always going to be worth noting. When a player pretend outs himself and his scumteam, I'm going to keep track of it. It would be daft of me not to. I'm currently neutral on Poggy, but if any of the players in his sarcasm list turns out to be scum, then the list becomes much more important.
Secondly, you assume that because he posts the list, I'm taking it very seriously. I know that Pog is joking in his post, and it seems like the kind of joke that Pog would make to eff with the town's head, regardless of alignment. It's a neutral point really, but I'm noting it because it may be important later. It's still taken with a grain of salt, but filed away for a better time, so don't insinuate that my stance is suddenly switching on him.
Lastly, AE's contribution and how it muddies the water all has to do with timing. Pog posts his sarcastic jokey scumteam that may or may not be 100% accurate, and names AE. AE checks in after that post and makes another scumbuddy joke, without any real provocation. Now, let's assume that Poggy's list was right and it was a very risky way to WIFOM the town. Assuming the scum don't have "night"talk, Pog's buddies wouldn't be ready for that and would probably be pretty pissed/worried. So, how would the buddies respond to try and thwart this scum-team reveal? Muddle the mixture. If the buddies can create confusion surrounding the buddying comments, they might be able to avoid a total meltdown from the Pog post. So, when AE steps in after Pog's list and is all jokey about being my buddy, it could very well be AE's attempt to put some much needed distance in between the scumteam.
Here's some other thoughts:
Note that Foxlet nor AE had anything direct to say about that list. It's a pretty eventful thing that a few people have commented on so far, so why isn't this a point of discussion with them?
Because Pog is such a dynamite personality, I do believe that he would try a stunt like posting the scumteam in the thread and try to get away with it. For an already risky player, pulling a gambit like this off would come with serious bragging rights. This might be a bit crass of me, but I feel like Poggy is the kind of player who might want those bragging rights.
At this point in time, I don't feel like acting on the Pog list mostly because it IS a bunch of WIFOM. My votes and decisions will have nothing to do with the list until there is information available to apply to it. It just so happens that I'm getting a scum vibe from Foxlet, so that information may not be unavailable for too long if the vibe continues.
Do we have three Post Restrictions in the game? I count Foxlet and JDsauce, is there are third? If so, one of them's scum.
@Foxlet: Where can I find your Pog vote reasoning? Also, you mention that you agree with some points of mine and pointed out the things you have a problem with. What did you agree with? I'm guessing it wasn't my vote on you or that you haven't given your own reasoning for your Pog vote.
Aside from that list, there hasn't been much that's bothered my about Poggy. The only other thing I can think of is whether or not he's serious about the Dragon thing. If he's serious, it's a terrible idea, but I understand his line of thought and is really only a minor issue with me.
I still don't feel like his plan is townie enough to make sense. That being said, I won't vote him for virtually the same reasons you have. He's too "out there" at the moment, and given time I think he'll hang himself as scum.
I lol'd
So wait. His roleplay isn't ok, but everyone else's is? Why? I think he's playing his character as a tragic, brooding figure. Not commenting in a scummy way.
Can we ask you to post more? I hate that you're so hard to read because of your post frequency.
Vote Void because this wagon is way too fast and this sounds like the biggest Sunday School answer/opportunistic "/barn" vote yet.
@WuffleMod: Votecount, please?
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The rules recommend roleplaying. The only reasons I'm not doing it myself are because:
#1 I forgot in the first few posts and didn't want to start after that.
#2 I don't know my character well enough to roleplay them effectively.
But in any case, roleplaying is not likely to be inherently scummy in this game.
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This post really pings my scumdar. It's trying to accuse roleplaying (a neutral action as far as I'm concerned) of being scummy. Then he's breadcrumbing for potential falseclaims. Then he tries to figure out what race everyone is. (To protect himself from falseclaiming incorrectly possibly?) Oh, then he drops a breadcrumb that will let him spread more wifom.
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I feel like we should run him up to L-2 first so that he doesn't have a chance to see anyone else claim first.
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To the one known as Gricky:
First, I hope you don't mind me calling you Gricky. It's a real time saver! I like to be efficient when I can. Now down to business. I will forward you a copy of the letter I sent to the one known as poggydude. In short, I found his actions were deplorable in regards to Dragon. As for his list, I too made a note of it, having been deceived by lists such as those before. I hesitate to mention it, but his antics rather remind me of the recently departed. I made no mention of it at the time because in regards to my name being on it, I have no concerns where my loyalties lie. I only mentioned it when I did because of Archmages puzzling response and yours after that. I wanted to see what all the "players" had to say, so to speak.