I want ALL PLAYERS on my wagon at the moment to explain EXACTLY why with more than one line. Anyone who is town and voting me has lost their everloving mind.
If I were one of the scum, I would have sat on my ass and let wagons form, KNOWING that in the late game my ability would eat up Days. Why in the world would I draw this much attention?????
Oh wait, that's because fastwagonisfast because the scum are trusting I won't figure out who they are when I shoot, which I sure as hell will.
The town needs to NOT vote me so as to NOT get shot, AND to make the scum wagon all the more obvious.
Unvote Duh!
The wagon is fast, but it is not bad. With each post you are digging yourself more and more into a hole. You have fearmongered, threatened people, defending yourself with why as scum would I do this, and modgamed despite being told their is no possibility of modgamming. Also in that same vein said we should lynch Art because he is untargetable. You gave no other reason than that when you voted him.
And know you are just flailing.
There is no town mindset behind your reasoning. A townie would see Ruin and say we should look at his behavior. A scum would see Ruin and say I can't target him I should get him lynched because of it.
"Beethoven: I am Ludwig Van Beethoven, world famous composer and pianist.
Yakko: You're a what?
Beethoven: A pianist.
Yakko: [blows a kiss] Goodnight, everybody!
Beethoven: But that is what I am. A pianist.
Yakko: I think we've heard enough out of you."
Vote count:
Arnnaria (2) Infectious, Eron,
Artifice (6) Art of Ruin, Guardman, Arnnaria, Seppel, pinkfloyd, pinkfloyd
Second quote: "I'll only consider not shooting if I were town."
Flailing.
Someone hammer.
While I am 90% sure that he is not only scum but he'll follow through on his killing of Ruin I feel we should at least discuss and decide on a target for him to blow up.
Also I feel Ruin should not be on this lynch due to Art's ability and the blatant paranoia/scummy intent for wanting to kill Ruin.
Right, because my ability has so much relevance on the game.
Why are you unvoting when you're certain of this like two posts back? Did the fearmongering get to you?
I suppose it's fine, because I'd like to hear from the people who haven't checked in yet.
No I will happily be on his lynch, but I don't want someone quick hammering and I want to decide on someone Art should use his ability on. You are the second scummiest, so I feel you should be the blow-up candidate.
While I am 90% sure that he is not only scum but he'll follow through on his killing of Ruin I feel we should at least discuss and decide on a target for him to blow up.
1. Then why did you pick it? There were plenty of others available when your turn came up. This feels forced and unnatural.
2. That is quite a charged statement to make. It feels as though you are baiting him back on the wagon.
3. And after such a strong statement you simply ho hum it because you want to hear from other people.
Confirm Vote: Arnnaria
1. Because I wanted the Goodfeathers and thought if the Goodfeathers died, I could still copy it's ability and become a Masonizer.
2. That was a total OMGUS statement. I'll cop to that.
3. Shalako and Reya still haven't checked in. I really do want to hear their opinions because we're stringing someone up rather fast. This is a very fast lynch.
While I am 90% sure that he is not only scum but he'll follow through on his killing of Ruin I feel we should at least discuss and decide on a target for him to blow up.
Also I feel Ruin should not be on this lynch due to Art's ability and the blatant paranoia/scummy intent for wanting to kill Ruin.
No I will happily be on his lynch, but I don't want someone quick hammering and I want to decide on someone Art should use his ability on. You are the second scummiest, so I feel you should be the blow-up candidate.
If Arti is scum he won't be blowing up who we want anyway.
vote infectiousbaloth for letting me wait for almost two days and letting me get my hopes up for not getting the most crappy role and then showing up in the last minute.
Alright folks, some thing I do every game: If you are female and/or prefer female pronouns, please speak up now. (I know Pinky's is a woman; don't know everybody else.)
I'm male but but will respond to Sh- due to my name.
And the fun becomes when we try to figure out who's expendable based on their role.
I'll start that argument: do we or do we not lynch the untargetable because none of our "Cop-like" abilities will work on him/her? (Art of Ruin/Mindy)? My vote says yes, obviously.
BTW, I always abstain from RVS, so no this is not an RVS post, so no one has to ask.
Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
That was why I didn't take the Mindy role. If he's a godfather it's checking 2 one shot cops and a Tracker with a Answer back up assuming none of them are on his team.
Firstly, let's assume that you are opting to lynch me simply because I am Untargetable. That one town down.
With two kills in the Night, that's almost certainly 3 town down.
That puts the situation at 5 town, 3 scum, 1 SK.
If the lynch target is town, the scum can go for a quickhammer and that'll be that, unless the SK kills one of the mafia.
If the lynch target is mafia, great, but then we still have to get the entire town to cooperate on a lynch.
If the lynch target is the SK, then the mafia still has the inherent advantage, as the town most definitely has to vote altogether on a member of the mafia to win - if the first vote is on town, then the mafia can swoop in for a quickhammer and that's an autotown loss on Day 3.
Vote Artifice for suggesting an anti-town plan.
Bad fearmongering thrid patry fearmongering Omgusing
Why do people keep assuming that the untargetable player HAS TO BE TOWN? We all had the chance to get a town result in our role PM message. We all also had a chance of receiving scum.
Please remember that 4 of the players are scum. I am NOT one of them.
If you are going to lynch me, then you MUST select who the other person is you want lynched. I need more information so as to know who to shoot.
Or did you guys already forget I'm the Bomb/Saint/Etc.?
Anyone voting me needs to VERY SEPCIFICALLY justify their vote. Those that don't are going to catch a faceful of cartoon BOOM!
Shot whoever you you want bro. Gogo dayone Daykills.
I want ALL PLAYERS on my wagon at the moment to explain EXACTLY why with more than one line. Anyone who is town and voting me has lost their everloving mind.
If I were one of the scum, I would have sat on my ass and let wagons form, KNOWING that in the late game my ability would eat up Days. Why in the world would I draw this much attention?????
Oh wait, that's because fastwagonisfast because the scum are trusting I won't figure out who they are when I shoot, which I sure as hell will.
The town needs to NOT vote me so as to NOT get shot, AND to make the scum wagon all the more obvious.
Unvote Duh!
Fast wagon is fast. Also wifom.
Why are you not voting anyone?
The wagon is fast, but it is not bad. With each post you are digging yourself more and more into a hole. You have fearmongered, threatened people, defending yourself with why as scum would I do this, and modgamed despite being told their is no possibility of modgamming. Also in that same vein said we should lynch Art because he is untargetable. You gave no other reason than that when you voted him.
And know you are just flailing.
There is no town mindset behind your reasoning. A townie would see Ruin and say we should look at his behavior. A scum would see Ruin and say I can't target him I should get him lynched because of it.
Every super fast wagon is bad.
Also you know flailing is not a tell and I'll find the quote If I have time later
If someone town has to take the bomb then I would prefer it was me as my ability won't grant anyone victory, especially considering it only lasts 2 days.
We also have an awesome Doc, a halfwit jailer and a Bus Driver, all roles that potentially mess up scums NK. In other words: We probably have more than two mislynches before we have to start acting panicky.
Which is fine - but in the meantime, let's not do something ignorant like lynching a PR just because they're an "inconvenience". Artifice's post makes more sense from an anti-town mindset (not having to deal with an Untargetable, as baloth said) than a town mindset, who would want such a boon to the team.
Oh, BTW, cool! p_bMod PM'd me, and yep, I'll be shooting Ruin.
Problem solved.
Oh, so you're going to OMGUS me. That's very pro-town.
I think this essentially settles that Art is only going to be a detriment to the town if he is kept alive, as not only will he use his role ineffectively, he is pushing a poor attack for the sake of "it might hurt the town if I don't". What will hurt the town is your tunnel-vision.
I want ALL PLAYERS on my wagon at the moment to explain EXACTLY why with more than one line. Anyone who is town and voting me has lost their everloving mind.
I have already done so.
Also, cute that you choose to Unvote me, the player you were pushing hardest against, once the tide of battle crashed against you.
If someone town has to take the bomb then I would prefer it was me as my ability won't grant anyone victory, especially considering it only lasts 2 days.
Oh how I love drunk shalako
Remind me what your ability is(besides being town and having the sow onshore around 2005?)and how it Won't grant the town victory? Why do you trust Art day One? Why do you not want him to blank on Arf of ruin?
Which is fine - but in the meantime, let's not do something ignorant like lynching a PR just because they're an "inconvenience". Artifice's post makes more sense from an anti-town mindset (not havintg to deal with an Untargetable, as baloth said) than a town mindset, who would want such a boon to the team.
I like you.
Oh, so you're going to OMGUS me. That's very pro-town.
I think this essentially settles that Art is only going to be a detriment to the town if he is kept alive, as not only will he use his role ineffectively, he is pushing a poor attack for the sake of "it might hurt the town if I don't". What will hurt the town is your tunnel-vision.
I agree with this assessment.
No. Why would we keep an anti-town player alive on the off chance that he might kill a member of the mafia?
No. I was gone all day.
I have already done so.
Also, cute that you choose to Unvote me, the player you were pushing hardest against, once the tide of battle crashed against you.
Hoping I would Unvote if you stopped pushing me?
And what should we do if he decides to kill someone else, anyway? It's not like we can lynch him twice.
Unvote
I am all for this.
1. Name a player who is not a power role.
2. State why your fearmongering is pro-Town.
3. State why you liking sombody makes them Town.
4. Die in a fire.
5. And why can Art not target himself twice? In effect lynching Art twice?
6. Explain how you are not Cy?
7. Exlplain why you unvote the person you are convinced are Mafia?
8. Explain why you are for a plan a player you don't think is town came up with? Vote Art of Ruin (Arf)
1. Name a player who is not a power role.
2. State why your fearmongering is pro-Town.
3. State why you liking sombody makes them Town.
4. Die in a fire.
5. And why can Art not target himself twice? In effect lynching Art twice?
6. Explain how you are not Cy?
7. Exlplain why you unvote the person you are convinced are Mafia?
8. Explain why you are for a plan a player you don't think is town came up with?
1. Nobody.
2. What fearmongering? If anyone is fearmongering, Art is.
3. It doesn't. I don't believe Seppel is town but we're not going into that just yet.
4. No.
5. What?
6. What?
7. Because my ability does not work during the Day.
8. Which player?
1. You attacked Art for wanting to lynch a Power role. Supprise everybody is a powerrole.
2.A: You fearmongeringing
2.B:Ad hom.
3. SO YOU DON'T THINK SEPPEL IS TOWN BUT YOU LET HIM LEAD YOU AROUND LIKE A DOG ON A CHAIN?
5. You are unvoting so Art can't shot you when you are a claimed untargetable following the plan of somebody you do not think is town.
6. You are an obvious gimmick of Cy. In fact that's the only thing that won't get you lynched at this point.
7.Hrm. Hrm Hrm Hrm. So why is it the most poweful role?
8. Seppel. Link me to one time you have said he is town.
1. You attacked Art for wanting to lynch a Power role. Supprise everybody is a powerrole.
No, I attacked him for wanting to lynch a town PR with a really bad reasoning. I suggest you read my posts before you twist them.
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2.A: You fearmongeringing
2.B:Ad hom.
Where?
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3. SO YOU DON'T THINK SEPPEL IS TOWN BUT YOU LET HIM LEAD YOU AROUND LIKE A DOG ON A CHAIN?
Unless you'd like to show me quotes with timestamp evidence indicating that I was not the first person to vote for Artifice, then I don't understand what you're getting at.
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5. You are unvoting so Art can't shot you when you are a claimed untargetable following the plan of somebody you do not think is town.
...and?
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6. You are an obvious gimmick of Cy. In fact that's the only thing that won't get you lynched at this point.
Who?
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7.Hrm. Hrm Hrm Hrm. So why is it the most poweful role?
As town: Can't be killed by either anti-town faction, don't need to be targeted by the Doctor or Jailer.
As mafia: Can't be killed by the Serial Killer, can't be investigated, removes someone Unkillable from the ranks of the town/SK.
As SK: Can't be killed by the mafia, can't be investigated, removes someone Unkillable from the ranks of the town/mafia.
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8. Seppel. Link me to one time you have said he is town.
I don't believe Seppel is town and I don't see how that's relevant to the fact that we're lynching Artifice.
The wagon is fast, but it is not bad. With each post you are digging yourself more and more into a hole.
Classic way to make someone sound scummier without actually proving anything. So much emotional language!
You have fearmongered,
No, I've stated facts.
threatened people,
No, I've made promises.
defending yourself with why as scum would I do this,
What did you even say here?
I made a suggestion about lynching someone and made a vote to support the suggestion. The suggestion was based on the fact that the Mindy chacater cannot be Copped by any of the abilities that can Cop (there are two) and therefore is the most dangerous one in the game for scum to have because there is no way to test them. Subsequently, the game went ape"spit" and a wagon formed on me faster than you can say, "zero-60 in 5.2"
and modgamed despite being told their is no possibility of modgamming.
What does this even mean? I'm NOT gaming the Mod. I'm gaming the open set-up. Also, I'm seeing who will be ballsy enough to vote me and why. If you don't think the behavior we've gotten so far has helped the game, you're too tunnel to be worth listening to.
Also in that same vein said we should lynch Art because he is untargetable.
Yes, I did.
]You gave no other reason than that when you voted him.
And the fun becomes when we try to figure out who's expendable based on their role.
I'll start that argument: do we or do we not lynch the untargetable because none of our "Cop-like" abilities will work on him/her? (Art of Ruin/Mindy)? My vote says yes, obviously.
BTW, I always abstain from RVS, so no this is not an RVS post, so no one has to ask.
So, was my reason because he was untargetable? Or because this made him UNCOPPABLE??
And know you are just flailing.
Ah, another classic line. Also, Shalako says he has a quote by you that says that flailing is null. So does my "flailing" (which of course is your opinion, and another lame, nonsense buzzword BTW) something that indicates my alignment? Or is it null?
There is no town mindset behind your reasoning. A townie would see Ruin and say we should look at his behavior. A scum would see Ruin and say I can't target him I should get him lynched because of it.
Bull. I wouldn't give two spits about some gimmick that I can just play around if I were scum. He would have no threatening abilities to me if I had been made scum. He's just a treestump with a vote as far as I'm concerned.
If I were scum, I sure as hell wouldn't spearhead the action by throwing out a vote and reason like that. I would sit back and say nothing significant and wait for the other three (THREE!) scum to do something and ride the wagon to an easy Day 1 lynch, since we're so stupidly evenly matched (8 town vs 4 scum is ugly, BTW. I was really hoping to random into scum this game.).
Also, for reference, the SK (whoever he is) is more than willing to see my lynch go through. He wants as many players dead as possible, and is even willing to risk me shooting him to get there. To have me Nightkilled or Nightkill me himself is a waste of a trigger that helps his win-con (duh :teach:).
You're the one who wants us to lynch the untargetable because there is a possibility he is scum or SK.
Right, to which he responds with a fearmongering post the likes of which I've never seen, and then proceeds to vote the Bomb, which leads to a WORSE situation that he even posted if the Bomb is Town (which he is BTW).
Your play is bull****, not ours.
Oh and don't try and use meta, you know I won't care. People can choose to play aggro like you are if they want.
Bull. ArfRuin didn't do anything but snap react. And yes, I know who he is, too. Which is another reason I wouldn't mind seeing him go. He spins towns out eventually. He chose untargetable because he thought as either alignment it would help his team partially because of his ego. As scum, though, he's super dangerous when he's uncoppable.
Also, now, why is his survival so imperative to him such that he has to unvote me?
Oh, BTW, cool! p_bMod PM'd me, and yep, I'll be shooting Ruin.
Problem solved.
Which is me having the conviction to follow through with what I see as the best blind shot I can make as a quasi-Vig. I didn't say I'll shoot a townie. I said I'll shoot a suspect. His fearmongering, and multiple players' mindless defense of him has furthered my suspicions.
Second quote: "I'll only consider not shooting if I were town."
Blatent misrep 102
You cut out more then 3/4 of my post, and took one sentence out of context! I said:
Interesting mindset. That's not why I said what I said.
BTW, do you seriously think I would draw this much attention as scum Day 1? I never have before. At least not to making the whole game about me.
Nope. Because you've just confirmed you[Guardman] think I'm town. If and only if I was town would I even consider not shooting. Also, you [Guardman]are avoiding the question. Why is that?
Give me a list of people you would have me shoot, or I shoot you. Simple.
To which Guardman gave "Arf of Ruin" a way to back off my wagon, and then backed off my wagon himself. Is this because Gman's townie or he knows I can shoot him, too?
Flailing.
Someone hammer.
If they hammer before each and every player has talked about how they feel about my wagon to a reasonable level, I will shoot the hammer or you. To hammer and stiffle discussion is the most untownie think we can do. This game has barely started and a player hasn't even checked in yet. What's your hurry??
To the game in general: I don't care if I'm lynched as long as I take a scum down with me. If you are town, do not hammer me until you have a very, very solid read on who is scum on my wagon, or I have a very solid read as to who the scum are on my wagon. I am more than willing to trade myself for a simultaneous scum kill AND enough information going into Night 1/Day 2 to make informed decisions. I will be more than pissed post game if lazy/hasty town behavior lets the 4 scum run away with the game.
While I am 90% sure that he is not only scum but he'll follow through on his killing of Ruin I feel we should at least discuss and decide on a target for him to blow up.
Also I feel Ruin should not be on this lynch due to Art's ability and the blatant paranoia/scummy intent for wanting to kill Ruin.
No I will happily be on his lynch, but I don't want someone quick hammering and I want to decide on someone Art should use his ability on. You are the second scummiest, so I feel you should be the blow-up candidate.
Who would you have me shoot? Pick three people. Explain why. About Arn, you have explained. Give me 2 more.
We need to understand who else you think is scummy.
And, BTW, if you think Arn is so scummy as to be scum if I'm not, then why are you still so sure I'm scum?
Feel free to give me other names as the game develops.
After this that reads like coaching, you're the likely target if I shoot blind at this point.
You've misrepped me heavily, AND are advocating for things I see as scummy with no reasoning. Short conversation style + obscuring the truth + willingness to lynch early and often = scum Seppel in my experience.
At least let Shalako and Cookie check into the thread before a lynch is decided.
Very likely town number two! Although I have to wait to see what Shalako and Reya say to see if this is coaching or something... Nope, he's town. Because look who showed up (spoilered for ease of finding the parts that matter):
VOTE ART
OF RUI8N
TROLOLOL JK
Bad wagon,fast wagon etc, et drunk, post blater
More questions for Pb when I"m sober.
AS THE OLDER PLAYER YOU HAVE DIBS ON ANY AND ALL NICKNAMES.
You are Art. He is Ruin/Arf
I am 21.
However we have to take into account what byear the cartoon came to our bcontury.
Like I'm sure it too longer to get to Auss then U.S.A.
USA USA USA
Prote3ctive roles SUUUUUUUUCK
Self voting?
First post self voting?
Fos youz
Why did you unvote?
I'm male but but will respond to Sh- due to my name.
Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
That was why I didn't take the Mindy role. If he's a godfather it's checking 2 one shot cops and a Tracker with a Answer back up assuming none of them are on his team.
Soooo
Useless
Bad fearmongering thrid patry fearmongering Omgusing
We have 2 cops bro.
I have more wuestions for Pb later.
Shot whoever you you want bro. Gogo dayone Daykills.
Lol.
Why do you not care about dying?
Fast wagon is fast. Also wifom.
Oh thank GAWD it is town Shalako.
Drunken town Shalako, but yeah, town Shalako!
Why are you not voting anyone?
Because I need to get a real grasp of what all of this means. The double voter is voting me, and announcing "I ain't skurred" like you picked up on. This makes me want to consider shooting him as well.
It isn't like my vote matters for crap.
Just occured to me, because, ya know, thinking about votes: Also, ladies and gents, for reference I've declared VERY clearly that I would self-hammer as scum in a completed game. In this game, it would have allowed me to "go out with a bang" so to speak.
Later.
Every super fast wagon is bad.
Also you know flailing is not a tell and I'll find the quote If I have time later
Atgh.
Infinitely curious what "Atgh" means....
When you find the quote please supply it, or if you need help, just given me a hint where to look. Also, please, please be straight with me this game since you don't have to obfuscate about your role PM this time?? Please??
Which is fine - but in the meantime, let's not do something ignorant like lynching a PR just because they're an "inconvenience".
We're ALL PRs, dude.
Artifice's post makes more sense from an anti-town mindset (not having to deal with an Untargetable, as baloth said) than a town mindset, who would want such a boon to the team.
How exaxctly is an Untargetable a guaranteed "boon," Given that we have NO CLUE what your alignment is and never will until you are lynched or the game is over?
We can't Cop you if you are scum.
The Busdriver can't redirect your kill if you are scum.
The Inventor can't interact with you if you are town.
If it comes down to you and a protective role, they are effectively shut off and the game is over if you are town.
You are NOT the be-all-end-all of Townie roles as you would have us believe, AND you could be SCUM.
And now you are concerned with your survival. Why??
Oh, so you're going to OMGUS me. That's very pro-town.
Lets get this little terminology snafu out of the way now:
Your vote on me was OMGUS.
My choice to follow through with my mindset that started this whole conversation is townie conviction based on your behavioral reaction. You panicked when I said I was going to shoot you. That makes me want to shoot you with a bazooka.
I think this essentially settles that Art is only going to be a detriment to the town if he is kept alive, as not only will he use his role ineffectively, he is pushing a poor attack for the sake of "it might hurt the town if I don't". What will hurt the town is your tunnel-vision.
And twice now you've used your tell. You slip into "the town" language when you are not town. I've told you this, but you still forget.
I agree with this assessment.
No. Why would we keep an anti-town player alive on the off chance that he might kill a member of the mafia?
No. I was gone all day.
Of course.
You only keep the SK alive if they are following the town's wishes, and even then, it is usually a bad idea.
I can accept that.
I have already done so.
Also, cute that you choose to Unvote me, the player you were pushing hardest against, once the tide of battle crashed against you.
Hoping I would Unvote if you stopped pushing me?
"Cute"
Uh, duh. There's no reason to keep voting you stubornly when I can just shoot you instead. The town should behaviorally analyse whether or not they trust you unless you are willing to die for the town. What overwhelmingly preferable player should die before you?
And what should we do if he decides to kill someone else, anyway? It's not like we can lynch him twice.
Oh I will kill someone if I'm lynched. This is why the rest of the town players town should not vote me until they are completely satisfied that they know the full gamestate, AND there is a concensus of who should be on my wagon and a clear reasoning from each player as to why one of the people on my wagon should die over the others. Until then, it is scummy to speedlynch me.
Unvote
I am all for this.
Why, exactly, are you not voting me now?
What exactly does an Untargetable bring to the table that their continued survival is preferable to, say, the Inventor or the protective characters? Even if you aren't scum, why is your survival suddenly so important to the game?
EWP: I approve of this conversation by Shalako and Arf.
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As town: Can't be killed by either anti-town faction, don't need to be targeted by the Doctor or Jailer.
As mafia: Can't be killed by the Serial Killer, can't be investigated, removes someone Unkillable from the ranks of the town/SK.
As SK: Can't be killed by the mafia, can't be investigated, removes someone Unkillable from the ranks of the town/mafia.
2/3 of your own reasons say your role should die.
.667 repeating.
A VAST majority.
Seriously. Think through why I said what I said. You just agreed with me, about you.
The only thing you have going for you is that you only have a 1:3 chance of being one of those reasons to lynch (from my perspective 4/11, but whatever). That still makes you a very likely lynch candidate.
So again, if not you, then who? And if me, then why should you not go with me? Are you not willing to trade with me if you are town and so sure I'm scum?
And then you say Seppel is scum, presumably with me? But yet you still want to see me lynched, without your involvement? WTF??
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How exaxctly is an Untargetable a guaranteed "boon," Given that we have NO CLUE what your alignment is and never will until you are lynched or the game is over?
Because you are so confident that you can read me, that eventually my alignment should be clear.
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The Busdriver can't redirect your kill if you are scum.
They can.
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The Inventor can't interact with you if you are town.
I do not need the Inventor's assistance.
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If it comes down to you and a protective role, they are effectively shut off and the game is over if you are town.
What do you mean by this?
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And now you are concerned with your survival. Why??
What sense would it make for me to want to die in a game of Mafia?
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Your vote on me was OMGUS.
Incorrect. OMGUS voting does not have reasoning beyond the initial vote or attack behind it. If anybody else had chosen the Untargetable role and you made this push, I would still be 100% for your lynch.
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My choice to follow through with my mindset [U]that started this whole conversation[/U] is townie conviction based on [U]your[/U] behavioral reaction. You panicked when I said I was going to shoot you. That makes me want to shoot you with a bazooka.
I have not panicked once in this game. You know as well as I do that dying on Day 1 is not fun.
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And twice now you've used your tell. You slip into "the town" language when you are not town. I've told you this, but you still forget.
Have you? I've never played Mafia before, so I find that difficult to believe.
As for my choice to use "the town", that is to clearly indicate that I do not think you are a part of the town.
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What overwhelmingly preferable player should die before you[/U]?
You.
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Why, exactly, are you not voting me now?
So that you don't kill me. Why are you asking questions you know the answer to?
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What exactly does an Untargetable bring to the table that their continued survival is preferable to, say, the Inventor or the protective characters? Even if you aren't scum, why is [U]your[/U] survival suddenly so important to the game?
If you are town, you will choose the player most likely to be scum on your wagon to kill, or the safest kill in the least effective role. (For example, pinkfloyd will effectively be Vanilla come Day 3, if he is still around then.) If you are mafia, then you have one more wrench in your cogs. If you are the SK, then I have no idea what you'd do. My survival is important as is any member of the town's, particularly because I can't be killed by the scum and I believe I've already caught an anti-town player in you.
Seriously. Think through why I said what I said. You just agreed with me, about you.
The difference being that I know my alignment. It's a risk I'm willing to take.
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So again, if not you, then who? And if me, then why should you not go with me? Are you not willing to trade with me if you are town and [U]so sure[/U] I'm scum?
At this point, I'm considering the idea that you're mafia and not the SK simply because this is the kind of play that would most benefit your team with your role - especially given that there's a good chance your team can hit the SK sooner rather than later, so you three have a better chance of survival (and greater odds of surviving a PoE in an endgame) if someone you can't kill at Night isn't alive. No, I'm not willing to trade with you because intentionally putting myself up to be killed is foolish and against my win condition.
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And then you say Seppel is scum, presumably with me? But yet you still want to see me lynched, [U]without your involvement[/U]? WTF??
I believe Seppel is the SK.
I am plenty involved in your lynch. I just will not be voting for you when it occurs.
Remind me what your ability is(besides being town and having the sow onshore around 2005?)and how it Won't grant the town victory? Why do you trust Art day One? Why do you not want him to blank on Arf of ruin?
I get a double vote for 2 days. After that I'm as useful as a vanilla townie.
I don't trust art. Because there is a possibility that ruin is a townie and him being untargetable is great.
Now you're treading on wishy-washy PF. Same question as Guardman: name 3 people now, and with reasons. Please.
Again, you cannot meta me I play different all the time.
No, I attacked him for wanting to lynch a town PR with a really bad reasoning. I suggest you read my posts before you twist them.
You didn't attack Art for wanting to Lynch a TOWN power role did you?
Where?
To be found in my next post marked as *1.
Unless you'd like to show me quotes with timestamp evidence indicating that I was not the first person to vote for Artifice, then I don't understand what you're getting at.
Because I was talking about you being the first person to vote Art at all?
Strawman. Check.
...and?
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It's not townie to be afraid of dying. Note Pinky(Flody)'s complete lack of fear of dying of a fast Day One saint because of it.
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Who?
Hahahaha/sarcasm.
You are
A. A new player who joined a very complex game without freaking(bounus points for flavor) out.
.B. A gimmick
And due to how you have been acting a Ch or DH GIMMICK
As town: Can't be killed by either anti-town faction, don't need to be targeted by the Doctor or Jailer.
And if you are town the godfether gets the flavor of you being nightkilled how?
Did you find out if Wally could target you after you were dead?
Do you see how you dying as town is nothing you should be afraid of with wally in the game?
Could you explain why lack of information is more important then intormation?
As mafia: Can't be killed by the Serial Killer, can't be investigated, removes someone Unkillable from the ranks of the town/SK.
1. How do you know Untargetable trumps Serial Killerness?
2. How does not being cleared in the 1/4 chance you are no town outway you being cleared in the 3/4 odd you are town?
3. If you were mafia jow do you know you do not have a role that negates the untargetavle role?
As SK: Can't be killed by the mafia, can't be investigated, removes someone Unkillable from the ranks of the town/mafia.
How is being untargetable more important then being able to cause mislynches as the Godfather/Bus driver/Wally?
I don't believe Seppel is town and I don't see how that's relevant to the fact that we're lynching Artifice.
You are willing to do whatever Seppel tells you without thinking he is town and you don't see how that is relevant:confused:
Classic way to make someone sound scummier without actually proving anything. So much emotional language!
No, I've stated facts.
No, I've made promises.
What did you even say here?
I made a suggestion about lynching someone and made a vote to support the suggestion. The suggestion was based on the fact that the Mindy chacater cannot be Copped by any of the abilities that can Cop (there are two) and therefore is the most dangerous one in the game for scum to have because there is no way to test them. Subsequently, the game went ape"spit" and a wagon formed on me faster than you can say, "zero-60 in 5.2"
What does this even mean? I'm NOT gaming the Mod. I'm gaming the open set-up. Also, I'm seeing who will be ballsy enough to vote me and why. If you don't think the behavior we've gotten so far has helped the game, you're too tunnel to be worth listening to.
Yes, I did.
Is that so? Let's look again:
So, was my reason because he was untargetable? Or because this made him UNCOPPABLE??
Ah, another classic line. Also, Shalako says he has a quote by you that says that flailing is null. So does my "flailing" (which of course is your opinion, and another lame, nonsense buzzword BTW) something that indicates my alignment? Or is it null?
Bull. I wouldn't give two spits about some gimmick that I can just play around if I were scum. He would have no threatening abilities to me if I had been made scum. He's just a treestump with a vote as far as I'm concerned.
If I were scum, I sure as hell wouldn't spearhead the action by throwing out a vote and reason like that. I would sit back and say nothing significant and wait for the other three (THREE!) scum to do something and ride the wagon to an easy Day 1 lynch, since we're so stupidly evenly matched (8 town vs 4 scum is ugly, BTW. I was really hoping to random into scum this game.).
Also, for reference, the SK (whoever he is) is more than willing to see my lynch go through. He wants as many players dead as possible, and is even willing to risk me shooting him to get there. To have me Nightkilled or Nightkill me himself is a waste of a trigger that helps his win-con (duh :teach:).
Right, to which he responds with a fearmongering post the likes of which I've never seen, and then proceeds to vote the Bomb, which leads to a WORSE situation that he even posted if the Bomb is Town (which he is BTW).
Good. Angry PF is usually town PF, as I recall.
Bull. ArfRuin didn't do anything but snap react. And yes, I know who he is, too. Which is another reason I wouldn't mind seeing him go. He spins towns out eventually. He chose untargetable because he thought as either alignment it would help his team partially because of his ego. As scum, though, he's super dangerous when he's uncoppable.
Also, now, why is his survival so imperative to him such that he has to unvote me?
Blatent misrep 101.
I said:Which is me having the conviction to follow through with what I see as the best blind shot I can make as a quasi-Vig. I didn't say I'll shoot a townie. I said I'll shoot a suspect. His fearmongering, and multiple players' mindless defense of him has furthered my suspicions.
Blatent misrep 102
You cut out more then 3/4 of my post, and took one sentence out of context! I said:To which Guardman gave "Arf of Ruin" a way to back off my wagon, and then backed off my wagon himself. Is this because Gman's townie or he knows I can shoot him, too?
If they hammer before each and every player has talked about how they feel about my wagon to a reasonable level, I will shoot the hammer or you. To hammer and stiffle discussion is the most untownie think we can do. This game has barely started and a player hasn't even checked in yet. What's your hurry??
To the game in general: I don't care if I'm lynched as long as I take a scum down with me. If you are town, do not hammer me until you have a very, very solid read on who is scum on my wagon, or I have a very solid read as to who the scum are on my wagon. I am more than willing to trade myself for a simultaneous scum kill AND enough information going into Night 1/Day 2 to make informed decisions. I will be more than pissed post game if lazy/hasty town behavior lets the 4 scum run away with the game.
Who would you have me shoot? Pick three people. Explain why. About Arn, you have explained. Give me 2 more.
We need to understand who else you think is scummy.
And, BTW, if you think Arn is so scummy as to be scum if I'm not, then why are you still so sure I'm scum?
Feel free to give me other names as the game develops.
After this that reads like coaching, you're the likely target if I shoot blind at this point.
You've misrepped me heavily, AND are advocating for things I see as scummy with no reasoning. Short conversation style + obscuring the truth + willingness to lynch early and often = scum Seppel in my experience.
So yeah, I'm locked and loaded. Wanna dance?
Ding ding ding! Town one discovered. This game just got a ton easier.
Now you're treading on wishy-washy PF. Same question as Guardman: name 3 people now, and with reasons. Please.
Man, you had such a clean mindset. What's with the hedging your bets here?
Very likely town number two! Although I have to wait to see what Shalako and Reya say to see if this is coaching or something... Nope, he's town. Because look who showed up (spoilered for ease of finding the parts that matter):
Oh thank GAWD it is town Shalako.
Drunken town Shalako, but yeah, town Shalako!
Because I need to get a real grasp of what all of this means. The double voter is voting me, and announcing "I ain't skurred" like you picked up on. This makes me want to consider shooting him as well.
It isn't like my vote matters for crap.
Just occured to me, because, ya know, thinking about votes: Also, ladies and gents, for reference I've declared VERY clearly that I would self-hammer as scum in a completed game. In this game, it would have allowed me to "go out with a bang" so to speak.
Infinitely curious what "Atgh" means....
When you find the quote please supply it, or if you need help, just given me a hint where to look. Also, please, please be straight with me this game since you don't have to obfuscate about your role PM this time?? Please??
We're ALL PRs, dude.
How exaxctly is an Untargetable a guaranteed "boon," Given that we have NO CLUE what your alignment is and never will until you are lynched or the game is over?
We can't Cop you if you are scum.
The Busdriver can't redirect your kill if you are scum.
The Inventor can't interact with you if you are town.
If it comes down to you and a protective role, they are effectively shut off and the game is over if you are town.
You are NOT the be-all-end-all of Townie roles as you would have us believe, AND you could be SCUM.
And now you are concerned with your survival. Why??
Lets get this little terminology snafu out of the way now:
Your vote on me was OMGUS.
My choice to follow through with my mindset that started this whole conversation is townie conviction based on your behavioral reaction. You panicked when I said I was going to shoot you. That makes me want to shoot you with a bazooka.
And twice now you've used your tell. You slip into "the town" language when you are not town. I've told you this, but you still forget.
Of course.
You only keep the SK alive if they are following the town's wishes, and even then, it is usually a bad idea.
I can accept that.
"Cute"
Uh, duh. There's no reason to keep voting you stubornly when I can just shoot you instead. The town should behaviorally analyse whether or not they trust you unless you are willing to die for the town. What overwhelmingly preferable player should die before you?
Oh I will kill someone if I'm lynched. This is why the rest of the town players town should not vote me until they are completely satisfied that they know the full gamestate, AND there is a concensus of who should be on my wagon and a clear reasoning from each player as to why one of the people on my wagon should die over the others. Until then, it is scummy to speedlynch me.
Why, exactly, are you not voting me now?
What exactly does an Untargetable bring to the table that their continued survival is preferable to, say, the Inventor or the protective characters? Even if you aren't scum, why is your survival suddenly so important to the game?
EWP: I approve of this conversation by Shalako and Arf.
Seriously. Think through why I said what I said. You just agreed with me, about you.
The only thing you have going for you is that you only have a 1:3 chance of being one of those reasons to lynch (from my perspective 4/11, but whatever). That still makes you a very likely lynch candidate.
So again, if not you, then who? And if me, then why should you not go with me? Are you not willing to trade with me if you are town and so sure I'm scum?
And then you say Seppel is scum, presumably with me? But yet you still want to see me lynched, without your involent? WTF??
You should know that whatSeppel.says is based off of his reads right "now" and are not "facts" per se.
But yeah continuite being flawed Town art and feel free to daykill whomever you want(as long as they are Mafia)
Heil Chosen Mafia
Only Pure Mafia.
Guardman needs to respond before I slap him with the game title.
You didn't attack Art for wanting to Lynch a TOWN power role did you?
Yes, I did, actually.
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Because I was talking about you being the first person to vote Art at all?
Strawman. Check.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, then, how about you make your posts clearer?
Are you always this infuriatingly bad or are you making a special exception for this game?
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It's not townie to be afraid of dying.
How?
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Note Pinky(Flody)'s complete lack of fear of dying of a fast Day One saint because of it.
Hardly comparable, as he becomes Vanilla when Day 3 starts.
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And due to how you have been acting a Ch or DH GIMMICK
Seriously, who?
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And if you are town the godfether gets the flavor of you being nightkilled how?
What?
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Did you find out if Wally could target you after you were dead?
He can.
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Do you see how you dying as town is nothing you should be afraid of with wally in the game?
Why do you assume Wally is town?
Why do you assume Wally will choose to take my role?
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Could you explain why lack of information is more important then intormation?
What?
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1. How do you know Untargetable trumps Serial Killerness?
Because Untargetable at Night means "can't be targeted at Night". Are your reading comprehension skills lacking?
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2. How does not being cleared in the 1/4 chance you are no town outway you being cleared in the 3/4 odd you are town?
What? If this says what I think it says, and you are trying to use it as a point against me, need I remind you that we chose roles before alignments were handed out?
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3. If you were mafia jow do you know you do not have a role that negates the untargetavle role?
You're going to have to post when you're not inebriated if you want me to be able to respond to you fully.
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How is being untargetable more important then being able to cause mislynches as the Godfather/Bus driver/Wally?
What Godfather? Why would I need to be the Bus Driver? What does Wally have to do with any of this?
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You are willing to do whatever Seppel tells you without thinking he is town and you don't see how that is relevant:confused:
I'm not willing to do whatever Seppel tells me. I'm not sure where you're getting that from but you really should stop twisting what's being said. If Artifice is lynched and I'm not on the wagon, then I can't die - it's as simple as that.
Learm what strawman means. Instead off acttacking my statments you call me a drunk/bad and dismiss me.
Straman Eu tu is a pun on the fact you are a strawman(a gimmick) and you are trying to dismiss me using a strawman.
If you note hou you were the first to ignote what I have stated(a valid et tu) you ill understand the steel trap you hav fell into.
You omgus anybody who attacks you.
What an interesting development. Arti didn't self-hammer and then Shalako comes in and takes charge.
unvote
Town:
Shalako - Posting comes from a very townie mindset. Asks good questions, pursues his scumspect with solid questioning.
Artifice 101 - Didn't self hammer.
Audinho - Consistent, posts are both thoughful and helpful.
Scum:
Arnnaria - I've been over this. When I pressure you, you use it being "RVS" as an excuse for your FoS but use my justification for a vote? I think not.
No definite read:
Seppel - Sep, are you the SK?
PinkFloyd - I like you, just not enough to think you're town for sure.
Art of Ruin (Let's have this conversation*)
GMan - I find you difficult to read.
Tanarin - Who?
Reya - Who?
Eron - I like you, post more.
*My thoughts on lynching Art of Ruin:
The cost of losing him as town far outweigh the benefits of lynching him as scum.
If AoR is town, we have what amounts to an unkillable townie, who we can easily put as suspect number one if we end up in a PoE situation.
If AoR is scum, then we are down one scum who we somehow managed to catch blindly. The possibility of this is not very high.
confirm vote: Arnnaria
Why would we lynch what could be a nearly unkillable townie when we can lynch someone who is almost certain to be scum?
I'm so disgusted with this bull**** play I could spit.
I'll be back later.
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The wagon is fast, but it is not bad. With each post you are digging yourself more and more into a hole. You have fearmongered, threatened people, defending yourself with why as scum would I do this, and modgamed despite being told their is no possibility of modgamming. Also in that same vein said we should lynch Art because he is untargetable. You gave no other reason than that when you voted him.
And know you are just flailing.
There is no town mindset behind your reasoning. A townie would see Ruin and say we should look at his behavior. A scum would see Ruin and say I can't target him I should get him lynched because of it.
You're the one who wants us to lynch the untargetable because there is a possibility he is scum or SK.
Your play is bull****, not ours.
Oh and don't try and use meta, you know I won't care. People can choose to play aggro like you are if they want.
LOL
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Beethoven: A pianist.
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Beethoven: But that is what I am. A pianist.
Yakko: I think we've heard enough out of you."
Vote count:
Arnnaria (2) Infectious, Eron,
Artifice (6) Art of Ruin, Guardman, Arnnaria, Seppel, pinkfloyd, pinkfloyd
Not voting:
Artifice, Shalako, Tanarin, Reya Cookiebringer, Audinho
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With 12 alive it will take 7 to lynch
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So someone doesn't quick lynch since we still need to talk about who Art should blow up:
Blow-Up Arn
For the FoS and forced reasons to vote.
I analyzed his behavior.
First quote: "I'll be shooting a townie."
Second quote: "I'll only consider not shooting if I were town."
Flailing.
Someone hammer.
Right, because my ability has so much relevance on the game.
Why are you unvoting when you're certain of this like two posts back? Did the fearmongering get to you?
I suppose it's fine, because I'd like to hear from the people who haven't checked in yet.
While I am 90% sure that he is not only scum but he'll follow through on his killing of Ruin I feel we should at least discuss and decide on a target for him to blow up.
Also I feel Ruin should not be on this lynch due to Art's ability and the blatant paranoia/scummy intent for wanting to kill Ruin.
No I will happily be on his lynch, but I don't want someone quick hammering and I want to decide on someone Art should use his ability on. You are the second scummiest, so I feel you should be the blow-up candidate.
1. Then why did you pick it? There were plenty of others available when your turn came up. This feels forced and unnatural.
2. That is quite a charged statement to make. It feels as though you are baiting him back on the wagon.
3. And after such a strong statement you simply ho hum it because you want to hear from other people.
Confirm Vote: Arnnaria
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
I agree with this.
Step 1: ArtoR unvotes.
Step 2: We lynch Arti.
1. Because I wanted the Goodfeathers and thought if the Goodfeathers died, I could still copy it's ability and become a Masonizer.
2. That was a total OMGUS statement. I'll cop to that.
3. Shalako and Reya still haven't checked in. I really do want to hear their opinions because we're stringing someone up rather fast. This is a very fast lynch.
If Arti is scum he won't be blowing up who we want anyway.
Others jump on and lets lynch art
Art if you truly are town please kill Arnn with your ability, otherwise go for it I guess
LOL
In case of the 10% I am covering our bases.
Whatareyouon, meth? Relax dude.
At least let Shalako and Cookie check into the thread before a lynch is decided.
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Bad wagon,fast wagon etc, et drunk, post blater
More questions for Pb when I"m sober.
AS THE OLDER PLAYER YOU HAVE DIBS ON ANY AND ALL NICKNAMES.
You are Art. He is Ruin/Arf
I am 21.
However we have to take into account what byear the cartoon came to our bcontury.
Like I'm sure it too longer to get to Auss then U.S.A.
USA USA USA
Prote3ctive roles SUUUUUUUUCK
Self voting?
First post self voting?
Fos youz
Why did you unvote?
I'm male but but will respond to Sh- due to my name.
Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
That was why I didn't take the Mindy role. If he's a godfather it's checking 2 one shot cops and a Tracker with a Answer back up assuming none of them are on his team.
Soooo
Useless
Bad fearmongering thrid patry fearmongering Omgusing
We have 2 cops bro.
I have more wuestions for Pb later.
Shot whoever you you want bro. Gogo dayone Daykills.
Lol.
Why do you not care about dying?
Fast wagon is fast. Also wifom.
Why are you not voting anyone?
Later.
Every super fast wagon is bad.
Also you know flailing is not a tell and I'll find the quote If I have time later
Atgh.
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If someone town has to take the bomb then I would prefer it was me as my ability won't grant anyone victory, especially considering it only lasts 2 days.
Oh how I love drunk shalako
LOL
Which is fine - but in the meantime, let's not do something ignorant like lynching a PR just because they're an "inconvenience". Artifice's post makes more sense from an anti-town mindset (not having to deal with an Untargetable, as baloth said) than a town mindset, who would want such a boon to the team.
I like you.
Oh, so you're going to OMGUS me. That's very pro-town.
I think this essentially settles that Art is only going to be a detriment to the town if he is kept alive, as not only will he use his role ineffectively, he is pushing a poor attack for the sake of "it might hurt the town if I don't". What will hurt the town is your tunnel-vision.
I agree with this assessment.
No. Why would we keep an anti-town player alive on the off chance that he might kill a member of the mafia?
No. I was gone all day.
I have already done so.
Also, cute that you choose to Unvote me, the player you were pushing hardest against, once the tide of battle crashed against you.
Hoping I would Unvote if you stopped pushing me?
And what should we do if he decides to kill someone else, anyway? It's not like we can lynch him twice.
Unvote
I am all for this.
Fear, Pain, Hatred, Power -
This is the art of ruin.
I don't like to vote for someone in RVS who allready has votes on them, especially not in a mini.
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Remind me what your ability is(besides being town and having the sow onshore around 2005?)and how it Won't grant the town victory? Why do you trust Art day One? Why do you not want him to blank on Arf of ruin?
1. Name a player who is not a power role.
2. State why your fearmongering is pro-Town.
3. State why you liking sombody makes them Town.
4. Die in a fire.
5. And why can Art not target himself twice? In effect lynching Art twice?
6. Explain how you are not Cy?
7. Exlplain why you unvote the person you are convinced are Mafia?
8. Explain why you are for a plan a player you don't think is town came up with?
Vote Art of Ruin (Arf)
Alright. So are you against the (Super quick; leading question; retracted)Art wagon?
If not why did you remove your vote?
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He is also doing what Seppel tells him and trusting seppel while Buddying up to players who "like" him.
And People are on the wagon pushed by him WHY?
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Buddy Buddy Buddy.
Wonder TWINS POWER ACTIVATE: Form of BUCKET;Art FORM OF NOT A WAGON OF FAIL.
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1. Nobody.
2. What fearmongering? If anyone is fearmongering, Art is.
3. It doesn't. I don't believe Seppel is town but we're not going into that just yet.
4. No.
5. What?
6. What?
7. Because my ability does not work during the Day.
8. Which player?
Fear, Pain, Hatred, Power -
This is the art of ruin.
2.A: You fearmongeringing
2.B:Ad hom.
3. SO YOU DON'T THINK SEPPEL IS TOWN BUT YOU LET HIM LEAD YOU AROUND LIKE A DOG ON A CHAIN?
5. You are unvoting so Art can't shot you when you are a claimed untargetable following the plan of somebody you do not think is town.
6. You are an obvious gimmick of Cy. In fact that's the only thing that won't get you lynched at this point.
7.Hrm. Hrm Hrm Hrm. So why is it the most poweful role?
8. Seppel. Link me to one time you have said he is town.
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Yes, I don't like the wagon. The justification is too slim.
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No, I attacked him for wanting to lynch a town PR with a really bad reasoning. I suggest you read my posts before you twist them.
Where?
Unless you'd like to show me quotes with timestamp evidence indicating that I was not the first person to vote for Artifice, then I don't understand what you're getting at.
...and?
Who?
As town: Can't be killed by either anti-town faction, don't need to be targeted by the Doctor or Jailer.
As mafia: Can't be killed by the Serial Killer, can't be investigated, removes someone Unkillable from the ranks of the town/SK.
As SK: Can't be killed by the mafia, can't be investigated, removes someone Unkillable from the ranks of the town/mafia.
I don't believe Seppel is town and I don't see how that's relevant to the fact that we're lynching Artifice.
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This is the art of ruin.
No, I've stated facts.
No, I've made promises.
What did you even say here?
I made a suggestion about lynching someone and made a vote to support the suggestion. The suggestion was based on the fact that the Mindy chacater cannot be Copped by any of the abilities that can Cop (there are two) and therefore is the most dangerous one in the game for scum to have because there is no way to test them. Subsequently, the game went ape"spit" and a wagon formed on me faster than you can say, "zero-60 in 5.2"
What does this even mean? I'm NOT gaming the Mod. I'm gaming the open set-up. Also, I'm seeing who will be ballsy enough to vote me and why. If you don't think the behavior we've gotten so far has helped the game, you're too tunnel to be worth listening to.
Yes, I did.
Is that so? Let's look again:
So, was my reason because he was untargetable? Or because this made him UNCOPPABLE??
Ah, another classic line. Also, Shalako says he has a quote by you that says that flailing is null. So does my "flailing" (which of course is your opinion, and another lame, nonsense buzzword BTW) something that indicates my alignment? Or is it null?
Bull. I wouldn't give two spits about some gimmick that I can just play around if I were scum. He would have no threatening abilities to me if I had been made scum. He's just a treestump with a vote as far as I'm concerned.
If I were scum, I sure as hell wouldn't spearhead the action by throwing out a vote and reason like that. I would sit back and say nothing significant and wait for the other three (THREE!) scum to do something and ride the wagon to an easy Day 1 lynch, since we're so stupidly evenly matched (8 town vs 4 scum is ugly, BTW. I was really hoping to random into scum this game.).
Also, for reference, the SK (whoever he is) is more than willing to see my lynch go through. He wants as many players dead as possible, and is even willing to risk me shooting him to get there. To have me Nightkilled or Nightkill me himself is a waste of a trigger that helps his win-con (duh :teach:).
Right, to which he responds with a fearmongering post the likes of which I've never seen, and then proceeds to vote the Bomb, which leads to a WORSE situation that he even posted if the Bomb is Town (which he is BTW).
Good. Angry PF is usually town PF, as I recall.
Bull. ArfRuin didn't do anything but snap react. And yes, I know who he is, too. Which is another reason I wouldn't mind seeing him go. He spins towns out eventually. He chose untargetable because he thought as either alignment it would help his team partially because of his ego. As scum, though, he's super dangerous when he's uncoppable.
Also, now, why is his survival so imperative to him such that he has to unvote me?
Blatent misrep 101.
I said: Which is me having the conviction to follow through with what I see as the best blind shot I can make as a quasi-Vig. I didn't say I'll shoot a townie. I said I'll shoot a suspect. His fearmongering, and multiple players' mindless defense of him has furthered my suspicions.
Blatent misrep 102
You cut out more then 3/4 of my post, and took one sentence out of context! I said: To which Guardman gave "Arf of Ruin" a way to back off my wagon, and then backed off my wagon himself. Is this because Gman's townie or he knows I can shoot him, too?
If they hammer before each and every player has talked about how they feel about my wagon to a reasonable level, I will shoot the hammer or you. To hammer and stiffle discussion is the most untownie think we can do. This game has barely started and a player hasn't even checked in yet. What's your hurry??
To the game in general: I don't care if I'm lynched as long as I take a scum down with me. If you are town, do not hammer me until you have a very, very solid read on who is scum on my wagon, or I have a very solid read as to who the scum are on my wagon. I am more than willing to trade myself for a simultaneous scum kill AND enough information going into Night 1/Day 2 to make informed decisions. I will be more than pissed post game if lazy/hasty town behavior lets the 4 scum run away with the game.
Who would you have me shoot? Pick three people. Explain why. About Arn, you have explained. Give me 2 more.
We need to understand who else you think is scummy.
And, BTW, if you think Arn is so scummy as to be scum if I'm not, then why are you still so sure I'm scum?
Feel free to give me other names as the game develops.
After this that reads like coaching, you're the likely target if I shoot blind at this point.
You've misrepped me heavily, AND are advocating for things I see as scummy with no reasoning. Short conversation style + obscuring the truth + willingness to lynch early and often = scum Seppel in my experience.
So yeah, I'm locked and loaded. Wanna dance?
Ding ding ding! Town one discovered. This game just got a ton easier.
Now you're treading on wishy-washy PF. Same question as Guardman: name 3 people now, and with reasons. Please.
Man, you had such a clean mindset. What's with the hedging your bets here?
Very likely town number two!
Although I have to wait to see what Shalako and Reya say to see if this is coaching or something...Nope, he's town. Because look who showed up (spoilered for ease of finding the parts that matter):Oh thank GAWD it is town Shalako.
Drunken town Shalako, but yeah, town Shalako!
Because I need to get a real grasp of what all of this means. The double voter is voting me, and announcing "I ain't skurred" like you picked up on. This makes me want to consider shooting him as well.
It isn't like my vote matters for crap.
Just occured to me, because, ya know, thinking about votes: Also, ladies and gents, for reference I've declared VERY clearly that I would self-hammer as scum in a completed game. In this game, it would have allowed me to "go out with a bang" so to speak.
Infinitely curious what "Atgh" means....
When you find the quote please supply it, or if you need help, just given me a hint where to look. Also, please, please be straight with me this game since you don't have to obfuscate about your role PM this time?? Please??
We're ALL PRs, dude.
How exaxctly is an Untargetable a guaranteed "boon," Given that we have NO CLUE what your alignment is and never will until you are lynched or the game is over?
We can't Cop you if you are scum.
The Busdriver can't redirect your kill if you are scum.
The Inventor can't interact with you if you are town.
If it comes down to you and a protective role, they are effectively shut off and the game is over if you are town.
You are NOT the be-all-end-all of Townie roles as you would have us believe, AND you could be SCUM.
And now you are concerned with your survival. Why??
Lets get this little terminology snafu out of the way now:
Your vote on me was OMGUS.
My choice to follow through with my mindset that started this whole conversation is townie conviction based on your behavioral reaction. You panicked when I said I was going to shoot you. That makes me want to shoot you with a bazooka.
And twice now you've used your tell. You slip into "the town" language when you are not town. I've told you this, but you still forget.
Of course.
You only keep the SK alive if they are following the town's wishes, and even then, it is usually a bad idea.
I can accept that.
"Cute"
Uh, duh. There's no reason to keep voting you stubornly when I can just shoot you instead. The town should behaviorally analyse whether or not they trust you unless you are willing to die for the town. What overwhelmingly preferable player should die before you?
Oh I will kill someone if I'm lynched. This is why the rest of the town players town should not vote me until they are completely satisfied that they know the full gamestate, AND there is a concensus of who should be on my wagon and a clear reasoning from each player as to why one of the people on my wagon should die over the others. Until then, it is scummy to speedlynch me.
Why, exactly, are you not voting me now?
What exactly does an Untargetable bring to the table that their continued survival is preferable to, say, the Inventor or the protective characters? Even if you aren't scum, why is your survival suddenly so important to the game?
EWP: I approve of this conversation by Shalako and Arf.
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.667 repeating.
A VAST majority.
Seriously. Think through why I said what I said. You just agreed with me, about you.
The only thing you have going for you is that you only have a 1:3 chance of being one of those reasons to lynch (from my perspective 4/11, but whatever). That still makes you a very likely lynch candidate.
So again, if not you, then who? And if me, then why should you not go with me? Are you not willing to trade with me if you are town and so sure I'm scum?
And then you say Seppel is scum, presumably with me? But yet you still want to see me lynched, without your involvement? WTF??
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Because you are so confident that you can read me, that eventually my alignment should be clear.
They can.
I do not need the Inventor's assistance.
What do you mean by this?
What sense would it make for me to want to die in a game of Mafia?
Incorrect. OMGUS voting does not have reasoning beyond the initial vote or attack behind it. If anybody else had chosen the Untargetable role and you made this push, I would still be 100% for your lynch.
I have not panicked once in this game. You know as well as I do that dying on Day 1 is not fun.
Have you? I've never played Mafia before, so I find that difficult to believe.
As for my choice to use "the town", that is to clearly indicate that I do not think you are a part of the town.
You.
So that you don't kill me. Why are you asking questions you know the answer to?
If you are town, you will choose the player most likely to be scum on your wagon to kill, or the safest kill in the least effective role. (For example, pinkfloyd will effectively be Vanilla come Day 3, if he is still around then.) If you are mafia, then you have one more wrench in your cogs. If you are the SK, then I have no idea what you'd do. My survival is important as is any member of the town's, particularly because I can't be killed by the scum and I believe I've already caught an anti-town player in you.
The difference being that I know my alignment. It's a risk I'm willing to take.
At this point, I'm considering the idea that you're mafia and not the SK simply because this is the kind of play that would most benefit your team with your role - especially given that there's a good chance your team can hit the SK sooner rather than later, so you three have a better chance of survival (and greater odds of surviving a PoE in an endgame) if someone you can't kill at Night isn't alive. No, I'm not willing to trade with you because intentionally putting myself up to be killed is foolish and against my win condition.
I believe Seppel is the SK.
I am plenty involved in your lynch. I just will not be voting for you when it occurs.
Fear, Pain, Hatred, Power -
This is the art of ruin.
I get a double vote for 2 days. After that I'm as useful as a vanilla townie.
I don't trust art. Because there is a possibility that ruin is a townie and him being untargetable is great.
Again, you cannot meta me I play different all the time.
name 3 people for what?
LOL
Unvote.
Something is wrong here.
Fear, Pain, Hatred, Power -
This is the art of ruin.
and a lot is basically all of them.
Yep. You just catching on here?
Curious, do you know what I know?
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Tell me, as someone who has had experience playing with Seppel, is that something that townSeppel would say?
Fear, Pain, Hatred, Power -
This is the art of ruin.
Dear Audio,
Please explain why you don't like this wagon. Please explain why the justification is too slim.
~Love Shalako
You didn't attack Art for wanting to Lynch a TOWN power role did you?
To be found in my next post marked as *1.
Because I was talking about you being the first person to vote Art at all?
Strawman. Check.
Hahahaha/sarcasm.
You are
A. A new player who joined a very complex game without freaking(bounus points for flavor) out.
.B. A gimmick
And due to how you have been acting a Ch or DH GIMMICK
And if you are town the godfether gets the flavor of you being nightkilled how?
Did you find out if Wally could target you after you were dead?
Do you see how you dying as town is nothing you should be afraid of with wally in the game?
Could you explain why lack of information is more important then intormation?
1. How do you know Untargetable trumps Serial Killerness?
2. How does not being cleared in the 1/4 chance you are no town outway you being cleared in the 3/4 odd you are town?
3. If you were mafia jow do you know you do not have a role that negates the untargetavle role?
How is being untargetable more important then being able to cause mislynches as the Godfather/Bus driver/Wally?
You are willing to do whatever Seppel tells you without thinking he is town and you don't see how that is relevant:confused:
You should know that whatSeppel.says is based off of his reads right "now" and are not "facts" per se.
But yeah continuite being flawed Town art and feel free to daykill whomever you want(as long as they are Mafia)
Heil Chosen Mafia
Only Pure Mafia.
Guardman needs to respond before I slap him with the game title.
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Am I voting hin?
Vote him for me Others.
Argh means I am here and I am a pirate.
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Notice my complete lack of being afraid.
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Yes, I did, actually.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, then, how about you make your posts clearer?
Are you always this infuriatingly bad or are you making a special exception for this game?
How?
Hardly comparable, as he becomes Vanilla when Day 3 starts.
Seriously, who?
What?
He can.
Why do you assume Wally is town?
Why do you assume Wally will choose to take my role?
What?
Because Untargetable at Night means "can't be targeted at Night". Are your reading comprehension skills lacking?
What? If this says what I think it says, and you are trying to use it as a point against me, need I remind you that we chose roles before alignments were handed out?
You're going to have to post when you're not inebriated if you want me to be able to respond to you fully.
What Godfather? Why would I need to be the Bus Driver? What does Wally have to do with any of this?
I'm not willing to do whatever Seppel tells me. I'm not sure where you're getting that from but you really should stop twisting what's being said. If Artifice is lynched and I'm not on the wagon, then I can't die - it's as simple as that.
Why should I feel intimidated?
Fear, Pain, Hatred, Power -
This is the art of ruin.
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I've done a lot of reading.
Doesn't an ability that can't be hurt by other abilities seem like a good ability to you?
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This is the art of ruin.
Also no because I would have picked it if it was "Good".
Lynch the lying gimmick.
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I ask again - are you always this baseless and faulty with your assumptions in Mafia or is this just a one-time thing?
Fear, Pain, Hatred, Power -
This is the art of ruin.
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Fear, Pain, Hatred, Power -
This is the art of ruin.
Learm what strawman means. Instead off acttacking my statments you call me a drunk/bad and dismiss me.
Straman Eu tu is a pun on the fact you are a strawman(a gimmick) and you are trying to dismiss me using a strawman.
If you note hou you were the first to ignote what I have stated(a valid et tu) you ill understand the steel trap you hav fell into.
You omgus anybody who attacks you.
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unvote
Town:
Shalako - Posting comes from a very townie mindset. Asks good questions, pursues his scumspect with solid questioning.
Artifice 101 - Didn't self hammer.
Audinho - Consistent, posts are both thoughful and helpful.
Scum:
Arnnaria - I've been over this. When I pressure you, you use it being "RVS" as an excuse for your FoS but use my justification for a vote? I think not.
No definite read:
Seppel - Sep, are you the SK?
PinkFloyd - I like you, just not enough to think you're town for sure.
Art of Ruin (Let's have this conversation*)
GMan - I find you difficult to read.
Tanarin - Who?
Reya - Who?
Eron - I like you, post more.
*My thoughts on lynching Art of Ruin:
The cost of losing him as town far outweigh the benefits of lynching him as scum.
If AoR is town, we have what amounts to an unkillable townie, who we can easily put as suspect number one if we end up in a PoE situation.
If AoR is scum, then we are down one scum who we somehow managed to catch blindly. The possibility of this is not very high.
confirm vote: Arnnaria
Why would we lynch what could be a nearly unkillable townie when we can lynch someone who is almost certain to be scum?
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@Pinky: Can the Serial Killer target Mindy?
Everyone seems to be tiptoeing around this question, but no one has straight up asked it.