@PB have you considered about the SK or mafia trying to shoot themselves on night before the situation arised? Because I think it's really unconventional to let the SK target himself on night.
@Eron one thing I've thought, from your POV you knew Shalako was the SK and you were the only one not cleared, haven't occured to you a way to make shalako shoot YOU in the face instead of anyone else? If you had died last instead of Artifice this game would result in a town win.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
@PB have you considered about the SK or mafia trying to shoot themselves on night before the situation arised? Because I think it's really unconventional to let the SK target himself on night.
@Eron one thing I've thought, from your POV you knew Shalako was the SK and you were the only one not cleared, haven't occured to you a way to make shalako shoot YOU in the face instead of anyone else? If you had died last instead of Artifice this game would result in a town win.
It was something that occurred to me. Once I saw where it was heading (night 4 I think) I asked Pinky if I could bus myself. I couldn't. So the only way that would have happened is if Shalako shot me, which he wouldn't.
So the SK could shot himself but the bus driver couldn't? Greatly dislike this choice by the mod.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
So the SK could shot himself but the bus driver couldn't? Greatly dislike this choice by the mod.
This.
Sorry town, I guess I should have gone with my gut. I did research and I have yet to see another sk be able to shoot himself. The wifom was too much I truly could have gone either way in the end. GG shalako.
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Sorry town, I guess I should have gone with my gut. I did research and I have yet to see another sk be able to shoot himself. The wifom was too much I truly could have gone either way in the end. GG shalako.
In usual circustances I would never believe a SK could shot himself either, but the mod said in thread this was true for this game, have you missed that?
After the mod revealed that this point was null.
I would also suspect Shalako for conveniently disappearing in lylo, to me it would like he was waiting to see if anyone would cast a wrong vote to quickhammer ftw.
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I read it but still, it added a lot more wifom, literally almost every single thing was infom. I really didn't mean to throw the game away. Also I find looking at a game from the outside you tend to see different pov than people in the game, just my opinion.
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It's true. I really wanted to replace in and I read the entire game so I would have been ready at any point. I second the MVP to everyone for not replacing at all. I felt that Shalako was the SK pretty obviously based on his mindset. Eron was being call and calculation and making plans. Shalako just kept screaming mafia buzzwords about how evil Eron was. What really clenched it was when Shalako wanted to end the game yesterDay without the No Lynch. Only the SK would want that.
Good play by Shalako though. Shooting himself was really ballsy, but paid off huge.
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I can't believe eron actually sent his p.m to the wrong person. I thought for sure that was scum back pedaling.
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I can't believe eron actually sent his p.m to the wrong person. I thought for sure that was scum back pedaling.
I agree that it looked really bad at first (I was :facepalm:ing), but if you stopped for a second and reread how that situation played out, Eron placed the vote, got voted back, then unvoted and admitted that he made a PM mistake. In other words, Eron derived no benefit from the scenario but looked significantly more suspicious. You would have to give Eron the credit to be cunning enough as scum to pull off such a gambit purely for town cred, whereas the simplest explanation is simply that he screwed up.
This was a fun game to read/host, though I am also somewhat confused as to why the SK was able to self-target but the bus driver was not. I can see giving the SK some additional WIFOM power because it's hard enough to win as an anti-town neutral, but I hope this decision was made prior to the start of the game.
Funnily enough, during the review process, the role I was most worried about was the Bus Driver, though I was more concerned with its strength in scum (mafia or SK) hands. Turns out it can be pretty devastating as a WIFOM generator, too.
Well hosted, pinkys_brain; way to stick the game through all the way, players; GG, Shalako!
One thing that I'm learning through playing Mafia that I didn't know about myself before is that my attention to details is awful. It's funny that you can learn something like that about yourself from playing a game, but it's a valuable learning none the less.
I read it but still, it added a lot more wifom, literally almost every single thing was infom. I really didn't mean to throw the game away. Also I find looking at a game from the outside you tend to see different pov than people in the game, just my opinion.
Certainly my friend, just that we are on the same boat I was never sure Shalako was the SK (maybe I incorrectly expressed that in my previous post), in fact there was nothing that greatly pushed in one way or another, but I would never vote Eron considering the different mindset of players.
Eron: Ok let's calm down, analyse stuff, craft plans, answer and make questions.
Shalako: Noooo, can't you see Eron is the SK? that guy is eviiiil because of jailer, there's no reason to think about anything. I have no questions, I make no plans, this is lylo but there's no need to think or analyse anything, let's just rush this into a quicklynch.
Even if Eron was the SK, to me he deserved it more.
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I thought he was just being shalako. Another thing on eron was his wifom of him not killing shalako. When seppel could have just used his ability to get the tracker ability.
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@PB have you considered about the SK or mafia trying to shoot themselves on night before the situation arised? Because I think it's really unconventional to let the SK target himself on night.
It makes sense that The Untargetable would be able to Kill themselfs if they were the Serial Killer.
Sorry town, I guess I should have gone with my gut. I did research and I have yet to see another sk be able to shoot himself. The wifom was too much I truly could have gone either way in the end. GG shalako.
It was close. The town did a good job and that's why I didn't draw the game.
I would also suspect Shalako for conveniently disappearing in lylo, to me it would like he was waiting to see if anyone would cast a wrong vote to quickhammer ftw.
I would never do this and I'm outraged you would Imply I would.
Funnily enough, during the review process, the role I was most worried about was the Bus Driver, though I was more concerned with its strength in scum (mafia or SK) hands. Turns out it can be pretty devastating as a WIFOM generator, too.
What order would you have picked A.I.?
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When seppel could have just used his ability to get the tracker ability.
It's nothing personal. I Lynch people who make huge lies that do nothing but waste time for the town and you enjoy doing that.
But I'm not the one who's focused on attempting to dissect the mounds of WIFOM I generate in games I'm in. While I'm considering changing my playstyle to be far less controversial, if people don't want me to be a distraction, they should stop making me into one - regardless of my alignment.
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Shalako when did you find out you could target your self?
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But I'm not the one who's focused on attempting to dissect the mounds of WIFOM I generate in games I'm in.
You are the one making WIFOM for no reason other then just because(assumable you do it to cover up the lies you make as Mafia{Seppeling})
Could you post the Mafia Chat Please? I want to see Guardman's Thought process.
Oh That's why I killed him. He was the only one who caught that I assumed that Arm was Mafia instead of thinking he could be the S.K.
While I'm considering changing my playstyle to be far less controversial, if people don't want me to be a distraction, they should stop making me into one - regardless of my alignment.
They stop making you into one by Killing You.
Do you really not realize that Shouting Look at me is really annoying? You lie for no reason and waste people's time and that's why you get lynched. If you want me to stop lynching you and making your games less fun I think this would be a good way to do it.
@PB have you considered about the SK or mafia trying to shoot themselves on night before the situation arised? Because I think it's really unconventional to let the SK target himself on night.
@Eron one thing I've thought, from your POV you knew Shalako was the SK and you were the only one not cleared, haven't occured to you a way to make shalako shoot YOU in the face instead of anyone else? If you had died last instead of Artifice this game would result in a town win.
I treated the bus driver as though he was scum, serial killer or town. Imagine if scum self targeted as a bus driver with the cop? That would basically lead the cop to himself and chaos to ensure.
The only time I would allow a mafia/sk ever target themself is anytime they want. It's suicide and ballsy and if they want to do it they have to suffer if they guess wrong. In this case, Shal got it right on.
I agree that it looked really bad at first (I was :facepalm:ing), but if you stopped for a second and reread how that situation played out, Eron placed the vote, got voted back, then unvoted and admitted that he made a PM mistake. In other words, Eron derived no benefit from the scenario but looked significantly more suspicious. You would have to give Eron the credit to be cunning enough as scum to pull off such a gambit purely for town cred, whereas the simplest explanation is simply that he screwed up.
This was a fun game to read/host, though I am also somewhat confused as to why the SK was able to self-target but the bus driver was not. I can see giving the SK some additional WIFOM power because it's hard enough to win as an anti-town neutral, but I hope this decision was made prior to the start of the game.
Funnily enough, during the review process, the role I was most worried about was the Bus Driver, though I was more concerned with its strength in scum (mafia or SK) hands. Turns out it can be pretty devastating as a WIFOM generator, too.
Well hosted, pinkys_brain; way to stick the game through all the way, players; GG, Shalako!
Thanks for the help AI!!! I admit I felt like I was fighting hard for the bus driver and in this case it was a lot of fun to include the role.
I want to give town MVP to Seppel just for being so damn accurate on his reads, but he didn't push it enough and didn't do enough to get the town to follow. I have to give it to Art for doing the correct thing in end game. Even though I was bored to tears with what was going on it was absolutely the correct thing to do this game.
MVP to Shalako for using his ability well and being scummy enough not to have the scum team kill him. That was impressive because he was the tracker to all. I thought he may be killed as he was the tracker but he was no threat to the scum team because of his play.
Good job there playing the balance well.
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Because after the rest of my team was falling going to fall I decide that my best chance to win was to make myself confirmed via "Why the Hell would scum ever do that", which required me to be confirmed by townie actions. You just happened to be the best chance to do that because of your watching.
Also I will say the end game took way tooooooooooo looooooooong.
Also if Aud reads this, sorry for getting you shot N1.
Np. People should learn that I'm never scum...
Funny thing is I debated heavily with myself if I should self-protect or protect Artifice, mainly because I enjoyed the game so much that I wanted to make sure that I was still in it come next day. I ended up choosing the selfprotect, and regretting it deeply. Had I chosen the other alternative I actually would have protected myself... Busdriver truly is a wacky role.
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Eron's obvious town tell was obvious, Shalako lost ALL rhyme or reason at the end, and I pegged at least 2/3 of the scum team.
Not a bad way to quit Mafia.
You guys have fun. No melodrama necessary. I just have things I absolutely must deal with right now. It has been a fun run but real life calls. Thanks for the game p_b
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Eron's obvious town tell was obvious, Shalako lost ALL rhyme or reason at the end, and I pegged at least 2/3 of the scum team.
Not a bad way to quit Mafia.
You guys have fun. No melodrama necessary. I just have things I absolutely must deal with right now. It has been a fun run but real life calls. Thanks for the game p_b
I'm glad I got to play a game with you before you leave! Hope you come back when things settle down.
"Art just needs to go, he is annoying, dangerous to lynch, and has the fire and drive to mess things up." -- Guardman, from Mafia chat. Sincerely, thanks This is exactly what a townie should be to a mafioso.
"Oh my god. I just realized that had I not chickened out and protected myself, instead protecting Art as I originally thought, I would have actually PROTECTED MYSELF.
Mind. Blown.
Edit: Pinky: Could we get IB's targets and if it worked or not? That would be awesome stuff to guess out of." -- Audi' from the spectator chat. LOL So funny!
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"Art just needs to go, he is annoying, dangerous to lynch, and has the fire and drive to mess things up." -- Guardman, from Mafia chat. Sincerely, thanks This is exactly what a townie should be to a mafioso.
"Oh my god. I just realized that had I not chickened out and protected myself, instead protecting Art as I originally thought, I would have actually PROTECTED MYSELF.
Mind. Blown.
Edit: Pinky: Could we get IB's targets and if it worked or not? That would be awesome stuff to guess out of." -- Audi' from the spectator chat. LOL So funny!
N1 IB's JK attempt failed
N2 IB's JK attempt succeeded
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@Eron one thing I've thought, from your POV you knew Shalako was the SK and you were the only one not cleared, haven't occured to you a way to make shalako shoot YOU in the face instead of anyone else? If you had died last instead of Artifice this game would result in a town win.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
It was something that occurred to me. Once I saw where it was heading (night 4 I think) I asked Pinky if I could bus myself. I couldn't. So the only way that would have happened is if Shalako shot me, which he wouldn't.
I really did enjoy this game. Thanks Pinky.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
This.
Sorry town, I guess I should have gone with my gut. I did research and I have yet to see another sk be able to shoot himself. The wifom was too much I truly could have gone either way in the end. GG shalako.
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After the mod revealed that this point was null.
I would also suspect Shalako for conveniently disappearing in lylo, to me it would like he was waiting to see if anyone would cast a wrong vote to quickhammer ftw.
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Everyone is a MVP in my book for that alone!
Good play by Shalako though. Shooting himself was really ballsy, but paid off huge.
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Good job, Shalako. I thought that Reya was starting to see though the WIFOM and then I saw the hammer on Eron. Womp womp.
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Yeah, I really did. It didn't much matter though because Shalako didn't shoot that night.
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I agree that it looked really bad at first (I was :facepalm:ing), but if you stopped for a second and reread how that situation played out, Eron placed the vote, got voted back, then unvoted and admitted that he made a PM mistake. In other words, Eron derived no benefit from the scenario but looked significantly more suspicious. You would have to give Eron the credit to be cunning enough as scum to pull off such a gambit purely for town cred, whereas the simplest explanation is simply that he screwed up.
This was a fun game to read/host, though I am also somewhat confused as to why the SK was able to self-target but the bus driver was not. I can see giving the SK some additional WIFOM power because it's hard enough to win as an anti-town neutral, but I hope this decision was made prior to the start of the game.
Funnily enough, during the review process, the role I was most worried about was the Bus Driver, though I was more concerned with its strength in scum (mafia or SK) hands. Turns out it can be pretty devastating as a WIFOM generator, too.
Well hosted, pinkys_brain; way to stick the game through all the way, players; GG, Shalako!
Even if Eron was the SK, to me he deserved it more.
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The Game dragged on because Everyone was sure about their reads.
What did you do with your Ability?
Dude stop OMGUSING me
It's nothing personal. I Lynch people who make huge lies that do nothing but waste time for the town and you enjoy doing that.
Also a gimmick lying about their experience is the lamest thing I have ever seen.
It makes sense that The Untargetable would be able to Kill themselfs if they were the Serial Killer.
It was close. The town did a good job and that's why I didn't draw the game.
I would never do this and I'm outraged you would Imply I would.
At that point I really just wanted the game to end and was gambling that either Art would Die or I would.
That's the Night I first considered Killing myself.
That would have been funny
What order would you have picked A.I.?
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Arm?
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But I'm not the one who's focused on attempting to dissect the mounds of WIFOM I generate in games I'm in. While I'm considering changing my playstyle to be far less controversial, if people don't want me to be a distraction, they should stop making me into one - regardless of my alignment.
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You are the one making WIFOM for no reason other then just because(assumable you do it to cover up the lies you make as Mafia{Seppeling})
Could you post the Mafia Chat Please? I want to see Guardman's Thought process.
Oh That's why I killed him. He was the only one who caught that I assumed that Arm was Mafia instead of thinking he could be the S.K.
They stop making you into one by Killing You.
Do you really not realize that Shouting Look at me is really annoying? You lie for no reason and waste people's time and that's why you get lynched. If you want me to stop lynching you and making your games less fun I think this would be a good way to do it.
I just assumed I could the whole Time. It's like how if the Mafia really wanted to they could Night Kill one of their teammates.
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I think having a SK for this was fine. What hurt was the art standing his ground and Shal not voting for having himself suicide by targeting Art.
I treated the bus driver as though he was scum, serial killer or town. Imagine if scum self targeted as a bus driver with the cop? That would basically lead the cop to himself and chaos to ensure.
The only time I would allow a mafia/sk ever target themself is anytime they want. It's suicide and ballsy and if they want to do it they have to suffer if they guess wrong. In this case, Shal got it right on.
See above for reasons.
Thanks for the help AI!!! I admit I felt like I was fighting hard for the bus driver and in this case it was a lot of fun to include the role.
I want to give town MVP to Seppel just for being so damn accurate on his reads, but he didn't push it enough and didn't do enough to get the town to follow. I have to give it to Art for doing the correct thing in end game. Even though I was bored to tears with what was going on it was absolutely the correct thing to do this game.
MVP to Shalako for using his ability well and being scummy enough not to have the scum team kill him. That was impressive because he was the tracker to all. I thought he may be killed as he was the tracker but he was no threat to the scum team because of his play.
Good job there playing the balance well.
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If you are referring to the role selection process, I didn't read that. Should I?
LOL
I would give the roles glance over. It was a fun part of the game seeing who thinks what is iimportant.
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Because after the rest of my team was falling going to fall I decide that my best chance to win was to make myself confirmed via "Why the Hell would scum ever do that", which required me to be confirmed by townie actions. You just happened to be the best chance to do that because of your watching.
Also I will say the end game took way tooooooooooo looooooooong.
Np. People should learn that I'm never scum...
Funny thing is I debated heavily with myself if I should self-protect or protect Artifice, mainly because I enjoyed the game so much that I wanted to make sure that I was still in it come next day. I ended up choosing the selfprotect, and regretting it deeply. Had I chosen the other alternative I actually would have protected myself... Busdriver truly is a wacky role.
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Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Um what?
LOL
Yeah Like the One Shot Mason-Cop. Seppel could have pulled 2 players reads from the Grave.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Not a bad way to quit Mafia.
You guys have fun. No melodrama necessary. I just have things I absolutely must deal with right now. It has been a fun run but real life calls. Thanks for the game p_b
Johnny, born and raised. Always lookin' for the Next Level Combo. Thanks to Bornover of FHLS for the banner!
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I'm glad I got to play a game with you before you leave! Hope you come back when things settle down.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
mafia
game discussion/night actions with AI
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
"Oh my god. I just realized that had I not chickened out and protected myself, instead protecting Art as I originally thought, I would have actually PROTECTED MYSELF.
Mind. Blown.
Edit: Pinky: Could we get IB's targets and if it worked or not? That would be awesome stuff to guess out of." -- Audi' from the spectator chat. LOL So funny!
Johnny, born and raised. Always lookin' for the Next Level Combo. Thanks to Bornover of FHLS for the banner!
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N1 IB's JK attempt failed
N2 IB's JK attempt succeeded
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22