It's late, and my brain is growing numb, but to clarify-
>Run Bob up to L-2
>Bob claims Tim Ronson, vanilla townie.
Because of the list, which he confirmed his name was on, he had to choose from 12 names. If his name, in truth, was not on the list, then there's a good chance someone else has the name. So
>Alice counter-claims the Tim Ronson name-claim, but not the role-claim.
>Alice is actually Tim Ronson, Cop. But because of the list, she does not have to out her cop claim.
>Bob is caught lying, and the cop survives.
Thus, the list forces the mafia to commit to one of twelve names for their false-claims. If they get CC'd, they don't necessarily get info out of that claim. If the mafia's name's are on the list, then we're roughly where we would be without the list; counter claiming roles only.
/barn - I's been Sarnath'd.
If the mafia names are NOT on that list, then Seppel has handed them viable falseclaims. I'm not so sure the list is worthwhile; it could be a gambit to allow a non-daytalk scumgroup to try to work out their falseclaims ahead of time.
FoS: Seppel
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Broadly speaking, there are two things going on in this game. There is some scumhunting, and there is a fairly aimless softclaim.
You are trying to stop people getting distracted from the latter. Some might say that the latter is a distraction at this stage.
Some more cynical people may suggest that you are trying to appear to be doing something by drawing people's attention to the latter.
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I'm thinking I misread you hardcore. You sound pretty townie in the last few posts.
On the matter of Raging Levine, I'll have to look into a few more of his games. I played with him when he was scum and he sounded completely different, but I want to look at a few more examples here.
Its a badly disguised attempt to force a softclaim and flavor game in one small package. I would have though that it was something that Seppel wouldn't try, it falling to one of the newer players but I guess I was wrong.
Where in the first post did I say I was categorically against the soft claim? Can you point it out? As I am fairly sure that you can't find it in there. All I said is that it was badly disguised which it certainly was and that I was surprised that Seppel was the one to bring it up as he is usually against Softclaims.
Do you have anything else to level against me? Or are you going to relentlessly tunnel me again like Little Big planet?
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Where in the first post did I say I was categorically against the soft claim? Can you point it out? As I am fairly sure that you can't find it in there. All I said is that it was badly disguised which it certainly was and that I was surprised that Seppel was the one to bring it up as he is usually against Softclaims.
Do you have anything else to level against me? Or are you going to relentlessly tunnel me again like Little Big planet?
Great! You've cleared up my worries on this point.
Do you have anything else to level against me? Or are you going to relentlessly tunnel me again like Little Big planet?
(Also, yes, being absent counts as being absent, no matter why or for how long. Not being present = absence. I wasn't concerned with your absence, just others answering for you. And remember, I was scum in LBP.)
(Also, yes, being absent counts as being absent, no matter why or for how long. Not being present = absence. I wasn't concerned with your absence, just others answering for you. And remember, I was scum in LBP.)
Guess that it is a matter of degrees not a binary equation for me. I regard Xyre and Small child as being absent as neither have posted much at all.
Yeah I remember you replaced in as scum in LBP and I also had made some crap decisions/posts so it was very easy to paint me as someone who should have been shuffled out the game.
Discounting that one as you are now in this game from the start so the dynamic is going to be different, could you point us to other games you were in from the beginning? As Wheaties said you are playing very different from LBP.
Prophymod: Where is the small child?????
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and start slitting throats.
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
Suppose the list did not exist. When somebody was forced to claim, I would still expect them to claim their role name.
Then, if somebody else has that same role name, they can counter claim their role name only.
To repeat, almost all of this that you describe can be done without the list or the softclaim.
I don't understand the endearment with the list that makes this difficult to understand.
AS the last thing I will say on this as I think the presence of the list is now distracting people. The very presence of the list and Seppel's statement alongside it that if when you are run up to L-2 claim a list not on it you will be auto-lynched. It has now made the possibility of a name match higher as almost everyone has claimed a name off that list.
Without the list there is nothing stopping any player claiming any of the 19 candidates that dropped out in the primaries or close to their start and that is before you get into the 26 people who explicitly said they were not in the primary or the other 18 people who had their name thrown into the hat as possible candidates (numbers quickly pulled from Wikipedia).
At the moment we do not know when Prophy compiled the flavor for this game where as Seppel threw his list together just before he posted it appears to have stuck to those who had an active role in the actual primary or withdrew close to its start.
Unfortunately the only way we are going to get any certainty/clarity in this is by being able to inspect Toe tags, 12 of which will give us a complete picture :p.
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I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
Prophylaxis: Small Child has had an accident on the way to the debate, even though he was already late. Luckily, we have a number of aspiring candidates ready to take Small Child's spot. Just let me find one, folks.
Prophylaxis: Small Child has had an accident on the way to the debate, even though he was already late. Luckily, we have a number of aspiring candidates ready to take Small Child's spot. Just let me find one, folks.
Just checking the vote count post and you already have Doom Lich's name by that of Small child, is he the replacement or was he a mentor to the wee bairn??
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and start slitting throats.
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
Just checking the vote count post and you already have Doom Lich's name by that of Small child, is he the replacement or was he a mentor to the wee bairn??
Prophylaxis: Doom Lich is Small Child, he legally changed his name.
Seems like we're going in circles with this counterclaim talk and dwelling on the list. Is Small Child's replacement the only one not to answer yet? Once they do, hopefully we can move on to more important discussions.
Right now I'm reading town posts from Aubur and presenting the list feels more like something a town would do so Seppel is leaning town, but I can see scum reasons for posting that list as well. I don't like WG's wagon vote and the weak reasoning behind it, so he's leaning scum.
Other than that I just keep reading people misunderstanding each other and/or misreading entirely.
If the mafia names are NOT on that list, then Seppel has handed them viable falseclaims. I'm not so sure the list is worthwhile; it could be a gambit to allow a non-daytalk scumgroup to try to work out their falseclaims ahead of time.
FoS: Seppel
You got anything Specific on Seppel Rax or is it jut a dislike of his list of candidates?
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and start slitting throats.
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
If the mafia names are NOT on that list, then Seppel has handed them viable falseclaims. I'm not so sure the list is worthwhile; it could be a gambit to allow a non-daytalk scumgroup to try to work out their falseclaims ahead of time.
FoS: Seppel
Something this paranoid could only come from a townie.
Guess that it is a matter of degrees not a binary equation for me. I regard Xyre and Small child as being absent as neither have posted much at all.
Yeah I remember you replaced in as scum in LBP and I also had made some crap decisions/posts so it was very easy to paint me as someone who should have been shuffled out the game.
Discounting that one as you are now in this game from the start so the dynamic is going to be different, could you point us to other games you were in from the beginning? As Wheaties said you are playing very different from LBP.
Prophymod: Where is the small child?????
Yeah, I was basically just trying to drive you out of the game at that point. It didn't work
Games I've played in from the beginning on MTGS: Osteria Mafia (Limoncello Gelato, Town Doctor)
This game I think I played OK in for the first game I'd played in a long time. My reads were off, but there was some bad play and an understandable mod error that led to some confusion. Random Mafia 4, some random unpronounceable hockey player, Vanilla Town
I play like crap in this game and have vowed never, as town or scum, to play this way again. I won as part of the cult but the whole thing was just stupid.
I would try to find Gleemax or MS games but good lord is that a lot of work. Also that was about five years ago and I've changed a lot since.
I don't understand the endearment with the list that makes this difficult to understand.
There are 12 possible name-claims.
Everyone (save small-child), including the mafia, has locked into one of those 12 name-claims.
When the mafia claims, there's a 75% chance that they'll use the same name as another person.
The townie they stole a name from will come out.
Regardless of the maf's role-claim, they have been caught lying, and we have a better shot of lynching them.
Otherwise, we would have to pray that we're not lynching a VT.
Absolute last time I'll explain the basic function of the list. It's tiring, and I have better things to do than take the fifteen to twenty minutes out of my life trying to describe something that 10 other players understood immediately.
Seems like we're going in circles with this counterclaim talk and dwelling on the list. Is Small Child's replacement the only one not to answer yet? Once they do, hopefully we can move on to more important discussions.
Right now I'm reading town posts from Aubur and presenting the list feels more like something a town would do so Seppel is leaning town, but I can see scum reasons for posting that list as well. I don't like WG's wagon vote and the weak reasoning behind it, so he's leaning scum.
Other than that I just keep reading people misunderstanding each other and/or misreading entirely.
I saw you making a content-less post, and called it. Glad you're posting content, even if it's nothing particularly unique.
I saw you making a content-less post, and called it. Glad you're posting content, even if it's nothing particularly unique.
I had meant to put that at the end of the last post I made. And when I was reading up on my break at work I remembered it and posted from my phone. I hate posting from my phone and almost never do it.
WG:
Additionally, you should probably compare my play in this game to that of the two other games I've played here before making this meta vote, which I think is actually quite poor.
Reading genuine concern about how the list affects the game from Aubergenius. I don't like WG's vote. Seems like a quick hop on the wagon for such a minor concern.
It reads just fine to me. What exactly is forced about it?
Also, don't like this.
This is fine. He says he doesn't like WG's vote twice, though.
I'm fairly new to mafia but straight up asking the mod for info on scum feels like you are trying very hard to convince everyone you're town right off the bat. How often does a mod answer a question like that? Would you were you the mod?
Also, flavorgaming, meh...
This feels a little too out of touch to be coming from town. It reads more like "That doesn't sound fair to my team. Will the mod really answer that?"
Seems like we're going in circles with this counterclaim talk and dwelling on the list. Is Small Child's replacement the only one not to answer yet? Once they do, hopefully we can move on to more important discussions.
Right now I'm reading town posts from Aubur and presenting the list feels more like something a town would do so Seppel is leaning town, but I can see scum reasons for posting that list as well. I don't like WG's wagon vote and the weak reasoning behind it, so he's leaning scum.
Crop out the part where he mentions me, and you have the first half of post #2 in its entirety. It's been over 50 posts and he hasn't said anything new about Wheat.
I had meant to put that at the end of the last post I made. And when I was reading up on my break at work I remembered it and posted from my phone. I hate posting from my phone and almost never do it.
So...many...typos...
What?
He's concerned about the formatting of his post.
I don't even know how to begin.
So let's just end this.
* Parroting
* Not responding to people
* Barely commenting about anything but using tons of words to do so
* Self-concern and only self-concern
There are 12 possible name-claims.
Everyone (save small-child), including the mafia, has locked into one of those 12 name-claims.
When the mafia claims, there's a 75% chance that they'll use the same name as another person.
The townie they stole a name from will come out.
Regardless of the maf's role-claim, they have been caught lying, and we have a better shot of lynching them.
Otherwise, we would have to pray that we're not lynching a VT.
Absolute last time I'll explain the basic function of the list. It's tiring, and I have better things to do than take the fifteen to twenty minutes out of my life trying to describe something that 10 other players understood immediately.
I saw you making a content-less post, and called it. Glad you're posting content, even if it's nothing particularly unique.
1) What's a VT? Verifiable townie, I assume? Do you think there are any verifiable townies in this game given the flavor?
2) What's with all the lurker-policing? Got any impressions of players in this game based on it?
Anything burning and urgent that needs my attention ASAP repost please (with a reason please), otherwise give me a bit of time to catch up on your shenanigans.
Makes an RVS vote after accepting that RVS is killed, yet doesn't comment on anything non-RVS-related. This is a blank, worthless post.
This was my post basically saying I'm here. I never get a chance to really participate in RVS, it always happens when I'm sleeping. You're reading way too far into that. There are obvious RVS posts up to 2 days after I posted that.
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This feels a little too out of touch to be coming from town. It reads more like "That doesn't sound fair to my team. Will the mod really answer that?"
It reads to me like he's pandering for people to support him. That's not a question I see being answered by a mod in a million years. Not by a good mod at least.
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Wheat responds to Emo's vote, and the above is all Emo says in response.
Like I said, posted it from my phone. I don't like typing much on my phone. You're reaching.
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Meanwhile, other stuff is happening, but Emocakes decides to do nothing but reply to Zelderex. And the reply is completely bizarre:
What?
He's concerned about the formatting of his post.
I don't even know how to begin.
I'm concerned about typing a lot of stuff on my phone because I don't like typos. You are really reaching dude.
This is a joke.
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As for replying to WG's response. I actually forgot to do that.
*sigh* It's going to be one of those games again.
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I will admit that I only have Aubergenius as leaning scum, but since that's scummier than everyone else I might as well have my vote put to use.
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I can't pinpoint it exactly, but something about it felt weird to me.
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Sometimes the mod will answer, sometimes they won't. They usually don't but it never hurts to ask.
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I'd elaborate if I could, but I don't think I can. There's something just subtly off about it to me that I can't quite pinpoint to explain it better.
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God I hate these traps. They are wrong way too often.
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What bugs me more is that it's on me so I can't even speak out against it decently.
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I feel that Aubergenius' language felt a little forced, and that's scummier than anyone else so far so I voted him because I like to put my vote to work. I did not vote for him because you did.
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I'm saying having additional rolenames outside of the list is a strong possibility, and so if we limit it to 12 the scum are constrained.
Looking back now, it's obvious why I overlooked it. He basically shrugs the case off with "it felt weird to me" and bases most of his case on gut. Gut, to me, is NOT a good reason to throw a vote on someone.
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You got anything Specific on Seppel Rax or is it jut a dislike of his list of candidates?
It's a dislike of what this list represents if he's scum, hasn't had an opportunity to talk with his scumbuddies, and needs to coordinate falseclaims before said scumbuddies are forced to claim.
I have absolutely nothing specific on Seppel, I'm just bringing up that this list thing isn't 100% pro-town; it also creates falseclaims for the scum.
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WG:
Additionally, you should probably compare my play in this game to that of the two other games I've played here before making this meta vote, which I think is actually quite poor.
My vote was not based on meta. Meta was keeping me from voting you. I'm used to scum Raging Levine, well, Raging. And that was something I wasn't seeing here. But now that you say your play that game wasn't a good representation of your meta, then there's no reason for me not to vote you for the things you've done this game that I find scummy. And as I said, I'll go into that tomorrow.
Anything burning and urgent that needs my attention ASAP repost please (with a reason please), otherwise give me a bit of time to catch up on your shenanigans.
It's a dislike of what this list represents if he's scum, hasn't had an opportunity to talk with his scumbuddies, and needs to coordinate falseclaims before said scumbuddies are forced to claim.
I have absolutely nothing specific on Seppel, I'm just bringing up that this list thing isn't 100% pro-town; it also creates falseclaims for the scum.
It might create falseclaims, but in such a minefield that there's more mines than field.
This was my post basically saying I'm here. I never get a chance to really participate in RVS, it always happens when I'm sleeping. You're reading way too far into that. There are obvious RVS posts up to 2 days after I posted that.
Why didn't you post anything else of substance in that post, then?
It reads to me like he's pandering for people to support him. That's not a question I see being answered by a mod in a million years. Not by a good mod at least.
My vote was not based on meta. Meta was keeping me from voting you. I'm used to scum Raging Levine, well, Raging. And that was something I wasn't seeing here. But now that you say your play that game wasn't a good representation of your meta, then there's no reason for me not to vote you for the things you've done this game that I find scummy. And as I said, I'll go into that tomorrow.
I didn't say that, actually. I said I played badly.
AND EMO DISMISSES ME WITHOUT ADDRESSING ANY OTHER POINTS
What other topics would you prefer he address? At this point, things have devolved into petty arguments between people, and he is doing just that, arguing back. Additionally, I've posted from a phone before. It's not easy.
You blame your phone on why you only address things about you? That doesn't make any sense.
Would you prefer he completely disregard your accusations? What are you fishing for exactly? People on the defense will more often then not look guilty, and if he has no reads, what exactly is he supposed to act on? None of your arguments towards Emo strike me as valid.
What exactly is this supposed to mean? While the list could go both ways, this seems like either a terribly veiled threat or absurd sarcasm, and from your actions, you seem competent enough not to make wasteful posts.
I skimmed the thread, but will have to do a real in depth read tomorrow after work assuming my brain isn't fried.
Couple points that I wanted to bring up. God you guys are jerks! I thought you were implying name claims, not just asking if I was on the list. I am however still Herman Cain
Second, I don't like Sep's idea of the list to start with. I believe someone mentioned that in general Sep doesn't like to info spew unless it benefits him....so I wonder why he suggested it? Everyone claimed to be on the list, however we don't know if we are all actually on the list in truth. What I mean by that is the scum team could be some of those dirty socialist democrats. Rather convenient that it was all 12 people (and this is a 12 person game)
Ok I am awake but with out Coffee so this could get blurred
Seppel is calling Rax paranoid town due to not liking the candidates list
Wheat doesn't like Lavine because he is playing different to a game in which Lavine was scum in
Emo is not posting much content and neither Zeld nor Seppel like it
Xyre Thinks Seppel is working to hard and the case on Emo is trash
Silvio has arrived also does not like the case on Emo and has stuck a vote on Seppel
Small Child has also got more attractive (I think) and is Herman Cain.
Is that a fair representation of what happened whilst I was asleep?
Xyre: VT = Vanilla Town usually.
Prophymod: I will be away from 06/06/2012 to 10/06/2012 but the only days I will be guarenteed to be with out Internet connection will be 08/06 to 09/06. On the other days I should be able to get near a computer and will still be reading. (Blasted Masonic Ladies Festivals)
Vote Seppel: Why the heck do you always have to go after the noob with such vehemence?? You did the same thing in LBP and it exposed the cop. What you hoping for Emocakes to crack under pressure and do something stupid so you can rally the rest of us round for a quick and easy lynch??
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The next discussion topic. I cannot predict the future, but in the abstract, that. Sure, we can scum hunt simultaneously, but more posts by unconfirmed people without them confirming would give them time to somehow sidestep the list.
I just didnt want tying everyone to the list to fall by the wayside or be forgotten since it is important and useful.
And then he asks what the next discussion topic is.
As I said, I cannot predict the future. I do not know.
This strikes me as extremely scummy. Not only was there another discussion topic already happening as far as my vote on Aubergenius, but you yourself brought up a new discussion topic by voting Kahedron (post 89).
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Wheat doesn't like Lavine because he is playing different to a game in which Lavine was scum in
He said that he played terribly in LBP and cut down to 1 game at a time. I can only assume that he plays differently now. Since meta was keeping me from voting him, rather than my reasoning behind voting him like you're implying, I had no reason not to vote for him when he himself discounted that meta.
Is the last bit being taken into account in your Seppel read or not?
It's being taken into account, he just read more like town early on. I don't think he's leaning town anymore. Does Seppel always pick someone and tunnel, then switch to someone else, tunnel them, then switch and tunnel them. And so on and so forth?
I'm not done with you yet, Levine, but we have scum.
Let's review Emocakes's five posts:
#1
Makes an RVS vote after accepting that RVS is killed, yet doesn't comment on anything non-RVS-related. This is a blank, worthless post.
#2:
This is fine. He says he doesn't like WG's vote twice, though.
This feels a little too out of touch to be coming from town. It reads more like "That doesn't sound fair to my team. Will the mod really answer that?"
#3:
Wheat responds to Emo's vote, and the above is all Emo says in response.
#4:
Lots of things have happened since Emocakes last posted. Zelderex called him out for his active lurking and Emocakes calls it ungrounded:
Now maybe we'll see content?
Parroting Raging Levine. Nothing about anyone.
Crop out the part where he mentions me, and you have the first half of post #2 in its entirety. It's been over 50 posts and he hasn't said anything new about Wheat.
136 posts in and this is all he can say about everyone else.
#5:
Zelderex responds to Emocakes:
Meanwhile, other stuff is happening, but Emocakes decides to do nothing but reply to Zelderex. And the reply is completely bizarre:
What?
He's concerned about the formatting of his post.
I don't even know how to begin.
So let's just end this.
* Parroting
* Not responding to people
* Barely commenting about anything but using tons of words to do so
* Self-concern and only self-concern
Vote Emocakes.
Observation at time of reading: I think you're reaching.
Observation after another page or two: You may have a point.
1) What's a VT? Verifiable townie, I assume? Do you think there are any verifiable townies in this game given the flavor?
2) What's with all the lurker-policing? Got any impressions of players in this game based on it?
1.) Vanilla townie
2.) He posted without saying anything relevant. He did something that would keep him from being inactive/outright lurking, but didn't do anything that would normally draw attention (such as voting). Plainsight Lurking, if you will. And yeah, it definitely makes Emocakes look bad that he was doing it.
This was my post basically saying I'm here. I never get a chance to really participate in RVS, it always happens when I'm sleeping. You're reading way too far into that. There are obvious RVS posts up to 2 days after I posted that.
It reads to me like he's pandering for people to support him. That's not a question I see being answered by a mod in a million years. Not by a good mod at least.
Like I said, posted it from my phone. I don't like typing much on my phone. You're reaching.
I'm concerned about typing a lot of stuff on my phone because I don't like typos. You are really reaching dude.
This is a joke.
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As for replying to WG's response. I actually forgot to do that.
Looking back now, it's obvious why I overlooked it. He basically shrugs the case off with "it felt weird to me" and bases most of his case on gut. Gut, to me, is NOT a good reason to throw a vote on someone.
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You do a decent job of defending yourself, sure. But what I'm reading out of this is that you're focusing more on trying to discredit Seppel than genuinely benefit the town.
Observation at the time of post: You're not looking good, but I'll see if you can actually contribute.
Observation later on: oh jesus....
Ok I am awake but with out Coffee so this could get blurred
Seppel is calling Rax paranoid town due to not liking the candidates list
Wheat doesn't like Lavine because he is playing different to a game in which Lavine was scum in
Emo is not posting much content and neither Zeld nor Seppel like it
Xyre Thinks Seppel is working to hard and the case on Emo is trash
Silvio has arrived also does not like the case on Emo and has stuck a vote on Seppel
Small Child has also got more attractive (I think) and is Herman Cain.
Is that a fair representation of what happened whilst I was asleep?
Xyre: VT = Vanilla Town usually.
Prophymod: I will be away from 06/06/2012 to 10/06/2012 but the only days I will be guarenteed to be with out Internet connection will be 08/06 to 09/06. On the other days I should be able to get near a computer and will still be reading. (Blasted Masonic Ladies Festivals)
Vote Seppel: Why the heck do you always have to go after the noob with such vehemence?? You did the same thing in LBP and it exposed the cop. What you hoping for Emocakes to crack under pressure and do something stupid so you can rally the rest of us round for a quick and easy lynch??
I find it weird that this post is rather...journalistic. You don't offer your opinion on any of these things.
Oh, then you vote for Seppel. You're reaching, and reaching hard. Not scummy, but stupid, and I'll definitely have my eye on you.
It's being taken into account, he just read more like town early on. I don't think he's leaning town anymore. Does Seppel always pick someone and tunnel, then switch to someone else, tunnel them, then switch and tunnel them. And so on and so forth?
Vote: Emocakes
Seriously. Other ****'s happening. Do you OWN a computer, or do you just blissfully ignore the going's on of the game? A couple votes were cast between that post and the one before it, and they don't even cross your radar. The vast majority of what you've said so far has been either plainsight lurking, or defending yourself. That is definitely not pro-town.
Work got the best of me last night, short day today so plenty of time to make some reads.
With that being said @ Zeld if you go back and read, I name claimed because I thought everyone else had done so already. Since I had just Replaced in and hadnt read up I wasnt aware it was a "yes I'm on the list" vs "who I am on the list".
Work got the best of me last night, short day today so plenty of time to make some reads.
With that being said @ Zeld if you go back and read, I name claimed because I thought everyone else had done so already. Since I had just Replaced in and hadnt read up I wasnt aware it was a "yes I'm on the list" vs "who I am on the list".
I saw that. It's just kinda...wow.
Town credit in my book, I guess. Scum isn't usually that blissfully eager to offer up information.
In that case, yes I'm on the list...I'm Herman Cain.
I haven't caught up, so I have no idea who has claimed who at this point
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I still have no scum reads on anyone. This is strange, because usually after about 3 pages I have a general idea of who's scum (even though I'm usually wrong).
Still FoS Seppel
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If the mafia names are NOT on that list, then Seppel has handed them viable falseclaims. I'm not so sure the list is worthwhile; it could be a gambit to allow a non-daytalk scumgroup to try to work out their falseclaims ahead of time.
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I'm thinking I misread you hardcore. You sound pretty townie in the last few posts.
On the matter of Raging Levine, I'll have to look into a few more of his games. I played with him when he was scum and he sounded completely different, but I want to look at a few more examples here.
So needing sleep counts as an absence then
I take it that you are referring to my posts below
Where in the first post did I say I was categorically against the soft claim? Can you point it out? As I am fairly sure that you can't find it in there. All I said is that it was badly disguised which it certainly was and that I was surprised that Seppel was the one to bring it up as he is usually against Softclaims.
Do you have anything else to level against me? Or are you going to relentlessly tunnel me again like Little Big planet?
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Great! You've cleared up my worries on this point.
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You catch more flies with honey. (Or good arguments!)
(Also, yes, being absent counts as being absent, no matter why or for how long. Not being present = absence. I wasn't concerned with your absence, just others answering for you. And remember, I was scum in LBP.)
Guess that it is a matter of degrees not a binary equation for me. I regard Xyre and Small child as being absent as neither have posted much at all.
Yeah I remember you replaced in as scum in LBP and I also had made some crap decisions/posts so it was very easy to paint me as someone who should have been shuffled out the game.
Discounting that one as you are now in this game from the start so the dynamic is going to be different, could you point us to other games you were in from the beginning? As Wheaties said you are playing very different from LBP.
Prophymod: Where is the small child?????
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AS the last thing I will say on this as I think the presence of the list is now distracting people. The very presence of the list and Seppel's statement alongside it that if when you are run up to L-2 claim a list not on it you will be auto-lynched. It has now made the possibility of a name match higher as almost everyone has claimed a name off that list.
Without the list there is nothing stopping any player claiming any of the 19 candidates that dropped out in the primaries or close to their start and that is before you get into the 26 people who explicitly said they were not in the primary or the other 18 people who had their name thrown into the hat as possible candidates (numbers quickly pulled from Wikipedia).
At the moment we do not know when Prophy compiled the flavor for this game where as Seppel threw his list together just before he posted it appears to have stuck to those who had an active role in the actual primary or withdrew close to its start.
Unfortunately the only way we are going to get any certainty/clarity in this is by being able to inspect Toe tags, 12 of which will give us a complete picture :p.
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Just checking the vote count post and you already have Doom Lich's name by that of Small child, is he the replacement or was he a mentor to the wee bairn??
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Prophylaxis: Doom Lich is Small Child, he legally changed his name.
'Dat mudslingin'.
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Seems like we're going in circles with this counterclaim talk and dwelling on the list. Is Small Child's replacement the only one not to answer yet? Once they do, hopefully we can move on to more important discussions.
Right now I'm reading town posts from Aubur and presenting the list feels more like something a town would do so Seppel is leaning town, but I can see scum reasons for posting that list as well. I don't like WG's wagon vote and the weak reasoning behind it, so he's leaning scum.
Other than that I just keep reading people misunderstanding each other and/or misreading entirely.
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You got anything Specific on Seppel Rax or is it jut a dislike of his list of candidates?
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Something this paranoid could only come from a townie.
Yeah, I was basically just trying to drive you out of the game at that point. It didn't work
Games I've played in from the beginning on MTGS:
Osteria Mafia (Limoncello Gelato, Town Doctor)
This game I think I played OK in for the first game I'd played in a long time. My reads were off, but there was some bad play and an understandable mod error that led to some confusion.
Random Mafia 4, some random unpronounceable hockey player, Vanilla Town
I play like crap in this game and have vowed never, as town or scum, to play this way again. I won as part of the cult but the whole thing was just stupid.
I would try to find Gleemax or MS games but good lord is that a lot of work. Also that was about five years ago and I've changed a lot since.
There are 12 possible name-claims.
Everyone (save small-child), including the mafia, has locked into one of those 12 name-claims.
When the mafia claims, there's a 75% chance that they'll use the same name as another person.
The townie they stole a name from will come out.
Regardless of the maf's role-claim, they have been caught lying, and we have a better shot of lynching them.
Otherwise, we would have to pray that we're not lynching a VT.
Absolute last time I'll explain the basic function of the list. It's tiring, and I have better things to do than take the fifteen to twenty minutes out of my life trying to describe something that 10 other players understood immediately.
I saw you making a content-less post, and called it. Glad you're posting content, even if it's nothing particularly unique.
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Really? Well then Unvote, Vote: Raging Levine
Since LBP was abnormally bad play as you say, then I have no trouble voting you, as the meta would be different.
Could you elaborate what your vote is actually based on here? I never quite understood your reasoning earlier for wanting to vote me.
I had meant to put that at the end of the last post I made. And when I was reading up on my break at work I remembered it and posted from my phone. I hate posting from my phone and almost never do it.
So...many...typos...
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Additionally, you should probably compare my play in this game to that of the two other games I've played here before making this meta vote, which I think is actually quite poor.
In addition, I will take a look at the vote count soon. I may have made some errors.
I'm not done with you yet, Levine, but we have scum.
Let's review Emocakes's five posts:
#1
Makes an RVS vote after accepting that RVS is killed, yet doesn't comment on anything non-RVS-related. This is a blank, worthless post.
#2:
This is fine. He says he doesn't like WG's vote twice, though.
This feels a little too out of touch to be coming from town. It reads more like "That doesn't sound fair to my team. Will the mod really answer that?"
#3:
Wheat responds to Emo's vote, and the above is all Emo says in response.
#4:
Lots of things have happened since Emocakes last posted. Zelderex called him out for his active lurking and Emocakes calls it ungrounded:
Now maybe we'll see content?
Parroting Raging Levine. Nothing about anyone.
Crop out the part where he mentions me, and you have the first half of post #2 in its entirety. It's been over 50 posts and he hasn't said anything new about Wheat.
136 posts in and this is all he can say about everyone else.
#5:
Zelderex responds to Emocakes:
Meanwhile, other stuff is happening, but Emocakes decides to do nothing but reply to Zelderex. And the reply is completely bizarre:
What?
He's concerned about the formatting of his post.
I don't even know how to begin.
So let's just end this.
* Parroting
* Not responding to people
* Barely commenting about anything but using tons of words to do so
* Self-concern and only self-concern
Vote Emocakes.
Seppel is trying too hard; it bothers me. I don't think the case on Emo's strong.
Talking more about the name list (except for Small Child's replacement confirming or denying his presence on it) is inconsequential at this point.
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1) What's a VT? Verifiable townie, I assume? Do you think there are any verifiable townies in this game given the flavor?
2) What's with all the lurker-policing? Got any impressions of players in this game based on it?
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Anything burning and urgent that needs my attention ASAP repost please (with a reason please), otherwise give me a bit of time to catch up on your shenanigans.
This was my post basically saying I'm here. I never get a chance to really participate in RVS, it always happens when I'm sleeping. You're reading way too far into that. There are obvious RVS posts up to 2 days after I posted that.
It reads to me like he's pandering for people to support him. That's not a question I see being answered by a mod in a million years. Not by a good mod at least.
Like I said, posted it from my phone. I don't like typing much on my phone. You're reaching.
I'm concerned about typing a lot of stuff on my phone because I don't like typos. You are really reaching dude.
This is a joke.
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As for replying to WG's response. I actually forgot to do that.
Looking back now, it's obvious why I overlooked it. He basically shrugs the case off with "it felt weird to me" and bases most of his case on gut. Gut, to me, is NOT a good reason to throw a vote on someone.
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It's a dislike of what this list represents if he's scum, hasn't had an opportunity to talk with his scumbuddies, and needs to coordinate falseclaims before said scumbuddies are forced to claim.
I have absolutely nothing specific on Seppel, I'm just bringing up that this list thing isn't 100% pro-town; it also creates falseclaims for the scum.
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I'll do so tomorrow, if you don't mind.
My vote was not based on meta. Meta was keeping me from voting you. I'm used to scum Raging Levine, well, Raging. And that was something I wasn't seeing here. But now that you say your play that game wasn't a good representation of your meta, then there's no reason for me not to vote you for the things you've done this game that I find scummy. And as I said, I'll go into that tomorrow.
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It might create falseclaims, but in such a minefield that there's more mines than field.
EBWODP: The why is to increase the chances of name counterclaims, and everyone has said except for you and I think one other person.
I haven't caught up, so I have no idea who has claimed who at this point
Why didn't you post anything else of substance in that post, then?
Okay.
Yet you didn't feel the need to actually respond to anything else you read on your phone when you got back to your computer?
You blame your phone on why you only address things about you? That doesn't make any sense.
AND EMO DISMISSES ME WITHOUT ADDRESSING ANY OTHER POINTS
my vote will not move for the rest of the day
and screw it I'm not even going to post any more today
emo is scum, this day is over for me
bye
I didn't say that, actually. I said I played badly.
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Good luck living to Day 2 then.
What other topics would you prefer he address? At this point, things have devolved into petty arguments between people, and he is doing just that, arguing back. Additionally, I've posted from a phone before. It's not easy.
Would you prefer he completely disregard your accusations? What are you fishing for exactly? People on the defense will more often then not look guilty, and if he has no reads, what exactly is he supposed to act on? None of your arguments towards Emo strike me as valid.
Meanwhile:
What exactly is this supposed to mean? While the list could go both ways, this seems like either a terribly veiled threat or absurd sarcasm, and from your actions, you seem competent enough not to make wasteful posts.
Unvote; Vote Seppel
Couple points that I wanted to bring up. God you guys are jerks! I thought you were implying name claims, not just asking if I was on the list. I am however still Herman Cain
Second, I don't like Sep's idea of the list to start with. I believe someone mentioned that in general Sep doesn't like to info spew unless it benefits him....so I wonder why he suggested it? Everyone claimed to be on the list, however we don't know if we are all actually on the list in truth. What I mean by that is the scum team could be some of those dirty socialist democrats. Rather convenient that it was all 12 people (and this is a 12 person game)
Anyway, like I said, real catching up tomorrow!
Seppel is calling Rax paranoid town due to not liking the candidates list
Wheat doesn't like Lavine because he is playing different to a game in which Lavine was scum in
Emo is not posting much content and neither Zeld nor Seppel like it
Xyre Thinks Seppel is working to hard and the case on Emo is trash
Silvio has arrived also does not like the case on Emo and has stuck a vote on Seppel
Small Child has also got more attractive (I think) and is Herman Cain.
Is that a fair representation of what happened whilst I was asleep?
Xyre: VT = Vanilla Town usually.
Prophymod: I will be away from 06/06/2012 to 10/06/2012 but the only days I will be guarenteed to be with out Internet connection will be 08/06 to 09/06. On the other days I should be able to get near a computer and will still be reading. (Blasted Masonic Ladies Festivals)
Vote Seppel: Why the heck do you always have to go after the noob with such vehemence?? You did the same thing in LBP and it exposed the cop. What you hoping for Emocakes to crack under pressure and do something stupid so you can rally the rest of us round for a quick and easy lynch??
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Same here. Visiting friends.
What? Where? And with what?
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Same for me. Planechase release/local legacy event on Saturday. HJ of a GPT next Saturday. Weekends in general are shot for me for a few weeks.
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Do you think you are playing well this game then?
Seppel then asks what the next thing is.
And then he asks what the next discussion topic is.
This strikes me as extremely scummy. Not only was there another discussion topic already happening as far as my vote on Aubergenius, but you yourself brought up a new discussion topic by voting Kahedron (post 89).
He said that he played terribly in LBP and cut down to 1 game at a time. I can only assume that he plays differently now. Since meta was keeping me from voting him, rather than my reasoning behind voting him like you're implying, I had no reason not to vote for him when he himself discounted that meta.
This is helpful. Good job.
It's being taken into account, he just read more like town early on. I don't think he's leaning town anymore. Does Seppel always pick someone and tunnel, then switch to someone else, tunnel them, then switch and tunnel them. And so on and so forth?
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Observation at time of reading: I think you're reaching.
Observation after another page or two: You may have a point.
I'll expound later in the post.
1.) Vanilla townie
2.) He posted without saying anything relevant. He did something that would keep him from being inactive/outright lurking, but didn't do anything that would normally draw attention (such as voting). Plainsight Lurking, if you will. And yeah, it definitely makes Emocakes look bad that he was doing it.
You do a decent job of defending yourself, sure. But what I'm reading out of this is that you're focusing more on trying to discredit Seppel than genuinely benefit the town.
Observation at the time of post: You're not looking good, but I'll see if you can actually contribute.
Observation later on: oh jesus....
Oh dear god why did you just name-claim out of the blue...
Valid points, a little bit on the aggressive side.
I find it weird that this post is rather...journalistic. You don't offer your opinion on any of these things.
Oh, then you vote for Seppel. You're reaching, and reaching hard. Not scummy, but stupid, and I'll definitely have my eye on you.
Vote: Emocakes
Seriously. Other ****'s happening. Do you OWN a computer, or do you just blissfully ignore the going's on of the game? A couple votes were cast between that post and the one before it, and they don't even cross your radar. The vast majority of what you've said so far has been either plainsight lurking, or defending yourself. That is definitely not pro-town.
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With that being said @ Zeld if you go back and read, I name claimed because I thought everyone else had done so already. Since I had just Replaced in and hadnt read up I wasnt aware it was a "yes I'm on the list" vs "who I am on the list".
I saw that. It's just kinda...wow.
Town credit in my book, I guess. Scum isn't usually that blissfully eager to offer up information.
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I still have no scum reads on anyone. This is strange, because usually after about 3 pages I have a general idea of who's scum (even though I'm usually wrong).
Still FoS Seppel
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