Thank gawd for active players. That being said, Vish, I reserve judgement.
In other words, I don't trust you any farther than I can throw you. And since we're on the internet, and throwing you could be kind of hard... you see where I'm going with this....
I understand I just replaced in for a series of lurky mclurkersons, but seriously, look back over Day 1! Everyone that Seppel declares scum and tunnels in on had flipped town. Silvio and Seppel both were your two scum reads until Zeledrix clearly marked himself Day 2 (honestly I'm not sure how you guys missed some scumslips from him D1, but 20/20 hindsight and all that). You've been advocating for a no lynch today (given that we're at MYLO, I don't see how that can be wrong). Help me to understand your mindset here?
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Short version? (I've had a very long day) : pinkfloyd wasn't jumping off the page as town and replacing out as obvtown. Keep talking though. I'm usually very, very good at discerning BS at this stage of the game.
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I understand I just replaced in for a series of lurky mclurkersons, but seriously, look back over Day 1! Everyone that Seppel declares scum and tunnels in on had flipped town.
>implying being wrong means I'm scum
Also I stopped a Silvio lynch that would've secured me a win if I were scum. Then I turned around and lynched Zelderex.
[OOG: If the players in this game have to be prodded one more time, I'm going to have to abandon the game. I need this to be over as it is my only active game anywhere and I'm only still participating in it to fulfill my social contract for replacing in. Please, play?]
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The three of us that are active can accomplish this much to progress the game. Let's go ahead and do so. Anything else is a giant waste of time.
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On the news last night prior to the debate, Silvio announces his dropping out speech, which follows his faulty performance at the debate and his heckling at a political rally he was trying to organize. First, he apologizes to his supporters. "My campaign is out of money, and I am unable to buy television ads or pay for direct mailings." he explains. "However, I believe that I will have a better chance in 2016." As he walks off the stage, the words Jon Huntsman, Jr, Town Vanilla appears.
This is the final debate before the primaries. One way or another, this is truly the end. With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.
I know I didn't do much because this was a dragging game...but I'd like to say that I did track Sep. I breadcrumbed it when Art was trying to attack me after N1
I figured *someone* would have picked up on it after I flipped tracker, but nooooo.
You know what's funny? I saw that Silvio was NK'd and so I thought to myself "No way Seppel or Art would kill Silvio. Vishamon is the last scum." Plus I think if someone replaces that many times for one role you should lynch them on principle.
Seppel called out Silvio being the lynch. I thought I would have a hard time convincing Arti to lynch Seppel, but figured neither of them would lynch Silvio. Guess I got lucky.
Seppel called out Silvio being the lynch. I thought I would have a hard time convincing Arti to lynch Seppel, but figured neither of them would lynch Silvio. Guess I got lucky.
Grats on pulling it out. I think you made the right call on the night kill (as we now know), and I applaud you on pulling it off.
I'm mixed about my play. I think I did alright, pushed two townies to the grave and rubbed my scum all over seppel. Good to know it paid off. Really wish I could've played more solidly on day three though, I was starting to feel the pressure of needing to get something done. Possibly the one day where a more active town would've been good for the scum.
Grats on pulling it out. I think you made the right call on the night kill (as we now know), and I applaud you on pulling it off.
I'm mixed about my play. I think I did alright, pushed two townies to the grave and rubbed my scum all over seppel. Good to know it paid off. Really wish I could've played more solidly on day three though, I was starting to feel the pressure of needing to get something done. Possibly the one day where a more active town would've been good for the scum.
You made one rediculous scum skip that I pointed out in my analysis, I'm really surprised nobody caught it. Your analysis in mafia chat was pretty good though
Had Art not been tunneling on me so hard, I think it could have done better I don't think I did well and had planned on doing a re-read at Zeld again...it's why before I bit it I specifically asked Art to do that analysis because I was sure I'd bite the big one that night.
I also had PF for scum because his lurky playstyle. He mentioned how well it helped him as scum in the theory thread (but I wasn't sure it was kosher to point it out in twilight) so I didn't :-\
1. Aubergenius, you are: Rick Santorum – [Town Three-shot Vigilante]
"President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob ... Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image.”
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. You can get very angry, so, at night, you can get angry at a player, pointing out all of their faults - causing their poll numbers to shrink. i.e. killing them.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
2. Xyre, you are: Mitt Romney – [Town Double-Voter]
"Corporations are people, my friend… of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings, my friend."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. As the frontrunner of the race, you enjoy more privileges than the other candidates. As a result, you can place a vote twice.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
3. Foxlet, you are: Herman Cain – [Town Tracker]
"We need a leader, not a reader."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. Because you had a sexual misconduct scandal, you can detect if other candidates are having secrets of their own. Thus, you can track other candidates and find out if they do anything during the night.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
4. Wheat, you are: Newt Gingrich – [Town Vanilla]
“If the Soviet empire still existed, I’d be terrified. The fact is, we can afford a fairly ignorant presidency now.”
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
5. Seppel, you are: Rick Perry – [Town Vanilla]
"It's a good issue to keep alive. It's fun to poke at him."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
6. Art, you are: Thaddeus McCotter – [Town Vanilla]
"It was sort of death by media. If they keep you out of the debates, you are out of the conversation and you can't run."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
7. Silvio, you are: Jon Huntsman – [Town Vanilla]
I'm surprised that we've gotten to a point where we don't put our country first and put our party first."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
8. Raging Levine, you are: Michele Bachmann – [Town Vanilla]
"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
9. Emocakes, you are: Gary Johnson – [Town Vanilla]
I don't smoke marijuana anymore. I don't drink. Marijuana is a handicap. So is alcohol. Alcohol is a terrible handicap. But in spite of being a handicap, it shouldn't be criminal.
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
10. Kah, you are: Buddy Roemer – [Mafia Roleblocker]
"If this causes me to be a thorn in the side of the Republican Party, so be it."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. At night, you may collaborate with your team in this quicktopic and hack the polls, showing someone in last place, causing them to lose confidence and drop out.
c. At night, you may PM me with the name of a player. That player's next political rally will be instead be filled with people from the Americans Elect party, roleblocking them.
Win Condition: You win when the mafia equal or outnumber the town.
11. Zeld, you are: Tim Pawlenty – [Mafia Goon]
"We have a country that is $5 a gallon gas, $4 a gallon gas, we got unbearable unemployment and a federal government that is out of control. We have to take back this country and we've got to get off the sidelines and take it to President Obama."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. At night, you may collaborate with your team in this quicktopic and hack the polls, showing someone in last place, causing them to lose confidence and drop out.
Win Condition: You win when the mafia equal or outnumber the town.
12. pinkfloyd, you are: Ron Paul – [Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof Leader]
Just think of what Woodrow Wilson stood for: he stood for world government. He wanted an early United Nations, League of Nations. But it was the conservatives, Republicans, that stood up against him."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. b. At night, you may collaborate with your team in this quicktopic and hack the polls, showing someone in last place, causing them to lose confidence and drop out.
c. Whenever you would drop out, your youth vote keeps you confident that you're going to win the election, so you don't. This only happens once.
d. Since you have the most public support out of all the mafia candidates running for president, you are the leader and make all decisions for the mafia.
Win Condition: You win when the mafia equal or outnumber the town.
Can someone help me pick out the Town MVP and Scum MVP?
I'll also post all the flavor scenes soon. I had fun writing the flavor.
I'm kinda at a loss for the awards...mostly because so many replacements
I read the scum chat and I'd say either Zeld or Vish. Zeld seemed to start things off solidly.
Town Apparently not me or Wheaties @ spectator chat. We are apparently very scummy Seriously though, for town I would lean most towards Auber except he got offed N1
I'm kinda at a loss for the awards...mostly because so many replacements
I read the scum chat and I'd say either Zeld or Vish. Zeld seemed to start things off solidly.
Town Apparently not me or Wheaties @ spectator chat. We are apparently very scummy Seriously though, for town I would lean most towards Auber except he got offed N1
I dunno if I have a vote on Mafia MVP, going with Vish though. I know I ended up doing a lot of work, but it takes serious skill to pull off winning at the endgame, after replacing everyone else's 2nd pick for lynch
For town...hard call. I think I'll say Arti. Though he has some gaps in his play (he's always had a hard time convincing the town on his reads, in my experience), he managed to call out all three scum, if I recall, and he managed to put me in the grave (which is better than any other town player ). I would say Auber, but I dunno if you can get MVP after dying N1.
Not that I did much of anything this game, so I can't point fingers, but I really thought we could win this one.
I honestly do not recall.
Didn't mean to throw the game. Seppel and I do this all the time, and I sincerely thought for once I was right. This game was like pulling teeth.
Anyway guys, good game. Been nice knowing you. I'm done with this stuff for a while. I may check my inbox from time to time in the next several weeks, but yeah. Way too much IRL stuff going on.
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I dunno if I have a vote on Mafia MVP, going with Vish though. I know I ended up doing a lot of work, but it takes serious skill to pull off winning at the endgame, after replacing everyone else's 2nd pick for lynch
For town...hard call. I think I'll say Arti. Though he has some gaps in his play (he's always had a hard time convincing the town on his reads, in my experience), he managed to call out all three scum, if I recall, and he managed to put me in the grave (which is better than any other town player ). I would say Auber, but I dunno if you can get MVP after dying N1.
Yeah, I don't think you can @ Auber He was just probably one of the strongest town players. Art was good in that he first pointed you out, but there were enough gaps that I would feel bad about the MVP.
Really? Sep? I mean, he's a great player, but he was a little off. I was surprised by the fact that he didn't seem to catch me buddying with him. The fact that I was able to push him against two, three townies was pretty nice (I pretty much copied how void dealt with me in Ghost Story).
EDIT: (I can do that in the post-game, right?) I think part of the reason town lost is because they lacked a proper MVP to push the game along. If Xyre had been active, I think he had the potential to win the game for town, but as it stood, the scum were pretty capable of neutralizing the best players, either in the social game (seppel, sorry bro) or with night kills (RIP Auber).
That was my first scum win, ever, by the way. I was like 0/5 as scum until now (though most of those were before cyberpunk, when I really started to shore up my game).
I feel stupid on account of the fact that multiple times through out this game I made a post with my main account, then had to go delete it, and by the time I reposted it in this one, info was no longer up to date. I also had a bunch of preconceptions about how certain things would work, and I was wrong on a few of them. In any case, I apologize for all my terribad playing and general obstruction of progression or whatnot.
Though, on that note, thank you Cyouni for all the help. Also, thank you Foxlet for being courteous and giving me some ingame direction/pointers. I definitely feel like I learned something. At the very least, I hadn't realized Mafia could be so demanding in regards to time, and I'll have to be more considerate to that the next time I want to join a game.
@Proph: I will look terrible and it would stain my main account by association, so I would prefer not. >_>
Mostly it was just me saying that I didn't know what to do with some sort of follow up, and Cyouni spinning that follow up into advice.
If anyone is really interested, let me know. I would most likely send you a text file, though, so I could replace my main account name.
That Artifice vote was atrocious, like really really bad. I don't know what happened to Art but I expected a reread or a crapload of questions before casting a vote on lylo... and I don't think any of those things happened (but I wasn't really paying attention). Anyway, looks like it was a good scumgame as one of their members was modkilled yet they still pulled the win.
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I understand I just replaced in for a series of lurky mclurkersons, but seriously, look back over Day 1! Everyone that Seppel declares scum and tunnels in on had flipped town. Silvio and Seppel both were your two scum reads until Zeledrix clearly marked himself Day 2 (honestly I'm not sure how you guys missed some scumslips from him D1, but 20/20 hindsight and all that). You've been advocating for a no lynch today (given that we're at MYLO, I don't see how that can be wrong). Help me to understand your mindset here?
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>implying being wrong means I'm scum
Also I stopped a Silvio lynch that would've secured me a win if I were scum. Then I turned around and lynched Zelderex.
What is there to respond to?
I realized there is, in fact, nothing to respond to. (hence the lack of response.)
Unvote; Vote No lynch
The three of us that are active can accomplish this much to progress the game. Let's go ahead and do so. Anything else is a giant waste of time.
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Unvote, vote NL
Vote No Lynch
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Agreed. Seeeeeeeeeeeeriously
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Night 4 starts now.
This is the final debate before the primaries. One way or another, this is truly the end. With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.
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Oh wait:
Vote Seppel
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Seppel (Rick Perry, Town Vanilla) has been lynched. Contests to Vishamon (Ron Paul, Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof Leader) for the win!
You guys may talk in here now. IMO this should not have gone to hastily.
>reads this endgame
Reminder
Not that I did much of anything this game, so I can't point fingers, but I really thought we could win this one.
I figured *someone* would have picked up on it after I flipped tracker, but nooooo.
You know what's funny? I saw that Silvio was NK'd and so I thought to myself "No way Seppel or Art would kill Silvio. Vishamon is the last scum." Plus I think if someone replaces that many times for one role you should lynch them on principle.
I played terribly this game.
Grats on pulling it out. I think you made the right call on the night kill (as we now know), and I applaud you on pulling it off.
I'm mixed about my play. I think I did alright, pushed two townies to the grave and rubbed my scum all over seppel. Good to know it paid off. Really wish I could've played more solidly on day three though, I was starting to feel the pressure of needing to get something done. Possibly the one day where a more active town would've been good for the scum.
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You made one rediculous scum skip that I pointed out in my analysis, I'm really surprised nobody caught it. Your analysis in mafia chat was pretty good though
I also had PF for scum because his lurky playstyle. He mentioned how well it helped him as scum in the theory thread (but I wasn't sure it was kosher to point it out in twilight) so I didn't :-\
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I will reveal the mentor chat when Silvio OKs it.
"President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob ... Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image.”
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. You can get very angry, so, at night, you can get angry at a player, pointing out all of their faults - causing their poll numbers to shrink. i.e. killing them.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
2. Xyre, you are: Mitt Romney – [Town Double-Voter]
"Corporations are people, my friend… of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings, my friend."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. As the frontrunner of the race, you enjoy more privileges than the other candidates. As a result, you can place a vote twice.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
3. Foxlet, you are: Herman Cain – [Town Tracker]
"We need a leader, not a reader."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. Because you had a sexual misconduct scandal, you can detect if other candidates are having secrets of their own. Thus, you can track other candidates and find out if they do anything during the night.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
4. Wheat, you are: Newt Gingrich – [Town Vanilla]
“If the Soviet empire still existed, I’d be terrified. The fact is, we can afford a fairly ignorant presidency now.”
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
5. Seppel, you are: Rick Perry – [Town Vanilla]
"It's a good issue to keep alive. It's fun to poke at him."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
6. Art, you are: Thaddeus McCotter – [Town Vanilla]
"It was sort of death by media. If they keep you out of the debates, you are out of the conversation and you can't run."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
7. Silvio, you are: Jon Huntsman – [Town Vanilla]
I'm surprised that we've gotten to a point where we don't put our country first and put our party first."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
8. Raging Levine, you are: Michele Bachmann – [Town Vanilla]
"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
9. Emocakes, you are: Gary Johnson – [Town Vanilla]
I don't smoke marijuana anymore. I don't drink. Marijuana is a handicap. So is alcohol. Alcohol is a terrible handicap. But in spite of being a handicap, it shouldn't be criminal.
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
Win Condition: You win when all the traitors have dropped out.
10. Kah, you are: Buddy Roemer – [Mafia Roleblocker]
"If this causes me to be a thorn in the side of the Republican Party, so be it."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. At night, you may collaborate with your team in this quicktopic and hack the polls, showing someone in last place, causing them to lose confidence and drop out.
c. At night, you may PM me with the name of a player. That player's next political rally will be instead be filled with people from the Americans Elect party, roleblocking them.
Win Condition: You win when the mafia equal or outnumber the town.
11. Zeld, you are: Tim Pawlenty – [Mafia Goon]
"We have a country that is $5 a gallon gas, $4 a gallon gas, we got unbearable unemployment and a federal government that is out of control. We have to take back this country and we've got to get off the sidelines and take it to President Obama."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. At night, you may collaborate with your team in this quicktopic and hack the polls, showing someone in last place, causing them to lose confidence and drop out.
Win Condition: You win when the mafia equal or outnumber the town.
12. pinkfloyd, you are: Ron Paul – [Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof Leader]
Just think of what Woodrow Wilson stood for: he stood for world government. He wanted an early United Nations, League of Nations. But it was the conservatives, Republicans, that stood up against him."
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. b. At night, you may collaborate with your team in this quicktopic and hack the polls, showing someone in last place, causing them to lose confidence and drop out.
c. Whenever you would drop out, your youth vote keeps you confident that you're going to win the election, so you don't. This only happens once.
d. Since you have the most public support out of all the mafia candidates running for president, you are the leader and make all decisions for the mafia.
Win Condition: You win when the mafia equal or outnumber the town.
Can someone help me pick out the Town MVP and Scum MVP?
I'll also post all the flavor scenes soon. I had fun writing the flavor.
I read the scum chat and I'd say either Zeld or Vish. Zeld seemed to start things off solidly.
Town Apparently not me or Wheaties @ spectator chat. We are apparently very scummy Seriously though, for town I would lean most towards Auber except he got offed N1
I dunno if I have a vote on Mafia MVP, going with Vish though. I know I ended up doing a lot of work, but it takes serious skill to pull off winning at the endgame, after replacing everyone else's 2nd pick for lynch
For town...hard call. I think I'll say Arti. Though he has some gaps in his play (he's always had a hard time convincing the town on his reads, in my experience), he managed to call out all three scum, if I recall, and he managed to put me in the grave (which is better than any other town player ). I would say Auber, but I dunno if you can get MVP after dying N1.
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Didn't mean to throw the game. Seppel and I do this all the time, and I sincerely thought for once I was right. This game was like pulling teeth.
Anyway guys, good game. Been nice knowing you. I'm done with this stuff for a while. I may check my inbox from time to time in the next several weeks, but yeah. Way too much IRL stuff going on.
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Are you forgetting the end of Basic #49 where you casted the final vote on Cyouni for the win in LyLo?
No. I remember all my games.
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Scum MVP probably Zelderex since he had us going that he was town for a long time.
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Fine you get a pass lol.
Yeah, I don't think you can @ Auber He was just probably one of the strongest town players. Art was good in that he first pointed you out, but there were enough gaps that I would feel bad about the MVP.
Then why do you say "thought for once"?
Sorry I couldn't be around
Sep gets town MVP
LOL
Really? Sep? I mean, he's a great player, but he was a little off. I was surprised by the fact that he didn't seem to catch me buddying with him. The fact that I was able to push him against two, three townies was pretty nice (I pretty much copied how void dealt with me in Ghost Story).
EDIT: (I can do that in the post-game, right?) I think part of the reason town lost is because they lacked a proper MVP to push the game along. If Xyre had been active, I think he had the potential to win the game for town, but as it stood, the scum were pretty capable of neutralizing the best players, either in the social game (seppel, sorry bro) or with night kills (RIP Auber).
That was my first scum win, ever, by the way. I was like 0/5 as scum until now (though most of those were before cyberpunk, when I really started to shore up my game).
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Seriously, Art. Seriously.
Yeah, fair enough. you're town MVP, but only because Auber didn't live.
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Though, on that note, thank you Cyouni for all the help. Also, thank you Foxlet for being courteous and giving me some ingame direction/pointers. I definitely feel like I learned something. At the very least, I hadn't realized Mafia could be so demanding in regards to time, and I'll have to be more considerate to that the next time I want to join a game.
@Proph: I will look terrible and it would stain my main account by association, so I would prefer not. >_>
Mostly it was just me saying that I didn't know what to do with some sort of follow up, and Cyouni spinning that follow up into advice.
If anyone is really interested, let me know. I would most likely send you a text file, though, so I could replace my main account name.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.