I dislike that he's not paying attention to the game. Asian Invasion's situation has been cleared up. Plus, this might be the pot calling the kettle black, but he's not following the train of logic. AI recommended vigging him; why don't we just get him out of the way right now?
But seriously, it sucks that all of the discussion keeps happening while I'm at work. It's a lot more fun to be an active part of a conversation than it is to post a catch-up post every night. People should talk to me in the mornings more IMO.
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And Tan did this. Overreaction, dsconnected "/barn" vote... and Wrath backs up the One-Two punch later. All of this makes me perfectly happy with a Tanarin lynch based on his attempt to build on Wrath's attack by suggesing AI was actually favoring a suicidal mass claim, which AI clearly wasn't.
Opinion on Arnnaria?
You've pretty much completely avoided the whole thing in favour of saying "it seems scripted", which means nothing at all.
@Dragonheart:Elaborate on your thoughts more. Your train of thought is clear enough that no elaboration is needed.
Also, it looks like Arnnaria decided Tanarin was scummy after all. Surprise, surprise.
Reading Tanarin's posts is like reading errata. All of them address responses to his posts saying, "no no no, I didn't mean x, y, and z...I meant a, b, and c.". Where the former is usually scummy, and the latter is usually Town.
I didn't ask for his name. I was just concerned that we'd have to protect him extensively if someone did come out as him. You're reading between lines that aren't even there. Although, none of this matters because you won't respond for 36 hours.
So you're saying that everyone needs to look like Aang except Aang himself? That seems bad, but I'm sure I'm misinterpreting it. Can you please eleborate?
It's not a perfect analogy; alternatively, we are trying to hide the tree in the forest.
I dislike that he's not paying attention to the game. Asian Invasion's situation has been cleared up. Plus, this might be the pot calling the kettle black, but he's not following the train of logic. AI recommended vigging him; why don't we just get him out of the way right now?
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For one, we aren't lynching in Morning because we are more likely to lynch correctly after "Combat" informs our decision (obviously this may change in a LyLo situation). Secondly, I don't think I understand your vote. Unnecessary clarification can be scummy, but I don't see that from Tanarin.
It's not a perfect analogy; alternatively, we are trying to hide the tree in the forest.
For one, we aren't lynching in Morning because we are more likely to lynch correctly after "Combat" informs our decision (obviously this may change in a LyLo situation). Secondly, I don't think I understand your vote. Unnecessary clarification can be scummy, but I don't see that from Tanarin.
Or, for a younger crowd: "Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?"
If we aren't lynching in mornings, why are we voting?
If conversation becomes stalled we can move to Evening where our votes actually matter. In the meantime, we vote to apply pressure to people and see who cracks. I suppose it is a bit less effective when they know we aren't going to lynch them right now though... Does anyone have a better idea for how to utilize this initial Morning phase?
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If conversation becomes stalled we can move to Evening where our votes actually matter. In the meantime, we vote to apply pressure to people and see who cracks. I suppose it is a bit less effective when they know we aren't going to lynch them right now though... Does anyone have a better idea for how to utilize this initial Morning phase?
if we get a guilty result on someone we can lycnh them in the morning to prevent shenanagins
AI I don't think it's clarification. I think he's legitimately twisting his words to appear town.
Cy I told the truth throughout the inquisition. I admitted to my mistakes open and honestly. And the entire time I didn't throw back at my attackers (you and Poggy). Yes, I did get upset with Manders. But I always get upset with Manders. Especially this game because she potentially took the spot of a more active player.
If conversation becomes stalled we can move to Evening where our votes actually matter. In the meantime, we vote to apply pressure to people and see who cracks. I suppose it is a bit less effective when they know we aren't going to lynch them right now though... Does anyone have a better idea for how to utilize this initial Morning phase?
If we run scum up to L-2 they have to claim.
Ability phase occurs.
If there is no evidence that their claim was true (through combat actions), then we lynch?
You've pretty much completely avoided the whole thing in favour of saying "it seems scripted", which means nothing at all.
Simple: he started talking about Aang excitedly. To me, that has to read as an inexperienced town slip. He's never been scum before, but I give him enough credit as a person to (as scum) realize that would be incriminating. A newb townie wouldn't necessarily grasp this.
You do realize that what I'm calling "scripted" is your entire game so far, right? AI put it perfectly when he said something about squinting and looking at your posts sideways. I feel as though you are, for lack of a better way to put it, inventing reality.
Also, it looks like Arnnaria decided Tanarin was scummy after all. Surprise, surprise.
Especially since he never answered this.
Why exactly are you so hellbent that Tanarin is town?
And for that matter, how about a general impression on all the players? I'm trying to understand who you think is scum helping who here.
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Simple: he started talking about Aang excitedly. To me, that has to read as an inexperienced town slip. He's never been scum before, but I give him enough credit as a person to (as scum) realize that would be incriminating. A newb townie wouldn't necessarily grasp this.
Mhm. You give him enough credit as scum to realize that something would be incriminating, but you don't give him any credit as town. He's smart enough to know as scum that something would be incriminating, but not smart enough as town.
Are you actually trying to argue this?
Not to mention the fact that you're completely avoiding the main point.
You do realize that what I'm calling "scripted" is your entire game so far, right? AI put it perfectly when he said something about squinting and looking at your posts sideways. I feel as though you are, for lack of a better way to put it, inventing reality.
First of all, that was Arnnaria's posts AI was talking about. And you haven't given any reasons as to why.
Why exactly are you so hellbent that Tanarin is town?
I'm not. Nice twisting of words there, given I didn't say a single word about that.
I'm completely unsurprised by the fact that Arnnaria is deciding to try and deflect onto Tanarin. It's the most opportune thing to do as scum, and he decided to transition off "I don't know whether Tanarin is scum or not paying attention". He never answered my question as to why that was the case, and he suddenly magically decides that he thinks Tanarin's scum after all.
For some reason, I believed that once Aang was dead the scum won. I didn't take into account that if Aang dies, we'd still have X days to track down the remaining scum and still claim victory.
Yes, and I'm admitting that since that post I "lost track" of the victory conditions and when it was "revealed" that Aang had come out I was under duress because the idea had entered my mind that we needed to keep him alive.
When I reread the win conditions, I was so relieved that he could die and we'd still win that I posted. Even though I must have understood it before the stress of someone claiming Aang.
I just lost track of the victory condition and somehow it settled in my mind that when Aang dies its game over for the town.
Now, if you take a look at post #14, it's the same one from before.
Yet now, he's claiming that at that point, he understood the win conditions.
He just can't keep his story straight. This whole business about forgetting the win conditions is a lie made up in order to excuse his overreaction. His self-consciousness about the vote on him is ridiculously extreme. He's pretty much saying "Oh, this explains my overreaction, so unvote me now".
There's also the amusing fact that Arnnaria is condemning Tanarin for stuff used by him as well. All that "twisting words to appear town"? Applies to him as well.
I stated that you seem to believe Tanarin is town, and your reply is, "Whoa, I never said that!" and then you present a Town/scum list that doesn't include Tanarin??
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Cy I've tried to appeal to you rationally. I even tried to appeal to you emotionally. Neither way is working. This in spite of the fact multiple people have defended me and my slip up.
So if you're not listening to me. And you're not listening to others, what am I supposed to do in this situation? I'm not going to fall on my sword to prove I'm town. And I'm not going to curry favors from others to do so either.
So, the only option for me at this point is to simply ignore your poison. I am done with this discussion with you. If you wish to discuss it with others, feel free. But I'm not waving a white flag when I've more than adequately answered your queries multiple times.
If you want to have a civilized conversation about my gameplay that doesn't involve a point I've already answered more than three times, maybe I'll be receptive. But continuing to hijack the thread with your deceit is getting the town nowhere.
Tl;dr - I'm done answering the same questions over and over. I refuse to answer them for a fourth or fifth time. I'm moving on.
you dont have to answer it any more, im just hoping the other players see it for what it is and i bet that is what cyouni is trying for as well. we are done trying to get the truth out of you, we just want you to clai. then probably get lynched
you dont have to answer it any more, im just hoping the other players see it for what it is and i bet that is what cyouni is trying for as well. we are done trying to get the truth out of you, we just want you to clai. then probably get lynched
If a soft claim will put us back to scum hunting, I'd do it. But I really don't think my fellow town would appreciate losing my abilities to a role blocker in a game as tight as this.
It seems to be just as likely a misunderstanding due to poor choices in phrasing/arguing of semantics. Arnnaria has not made any posts that strike me as scummy. I can see where Cyouni is coming from if I squint and look at the specific posts sideways, but it makes much more sense that Arnnaria simply has no idea what is going on, as he has made abundantly clear with the majority of his posts. (No offense.)
The bolded is how I read what AI said. It seemed as though the squinting and my used of scripted are meant to state te same thing. AI can answer this better than I can, though.
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I just looked over the player list: am I the most inexperienced member in this game?
I believe so.
@Wrath and Grickey: thoughts on Tanarin, Cyouni, Arn', myself and AI being so eirily in agreement, and general goings-on? Three posts between the two of you I believe.
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Why would you want players to claim in a phase before the mafia get a phase to do stuff? I think its a terrible idea to force people to claim in morning, the whole idea of lynching in the evening phase is to not give the mafia information.
I stated that you seem to believe Tanarin is town, and your reply is, "Whoa, I never said that!" and then you present a Town/scum list that doesn't include Tanarin??
Oops. Must have deleted his name accidentally.
Slot him in the pile I'm meh about - AI, Manders, poggy.
By the way, it's not a town-scum list. It's a "willingness to hunt" list.
Here it's clear he understands that both aren't necessary. Continue to scum hunt or stall the Firebenders. Not both.
Same here. His analysis of it shows that he knows that both clauses do not need to be accomplished. He's debating the chance to win by keeping Aang alive vs the chance of catching the scum quickly enough.
Why are you making this thing up about not understanding the win conditions?
Post #14 and post #12 are the ones I'm referring to here. Just so you don't have to check the post numbers.
Yes, and I'm admitting that since that post I "lost track" of the victory conditions and when it was "revealed" that Aang had come out I was under duress because the idea had entered my mind that we needed to keep him alive.
When I reread the win conditions, I was so relieved that he could die and we'd still win that I posted. Even though I must have understood it before the stress of someone claiming Aang.
I just lost track of victory conditions.
And here's the response. Wait, but that's talking about post #14 too.
So...he knew the win conditions at post #14...and also thought that Aang needed to survive to win at post #14.
If a soft claim will put us back to scum hunting, I'd do it. But I really don't think my fellow town would appreciate losing my abilities to a role blocker in a game as tight as this.
@Wrath and Grickey: thoughts on Tanarin, Cyouni, Arn', myself and AI being so eirily in agreement, and general goings-on? Three posts between the two of you I believe.
I'm having trouble focusing in this game, with two other games going on at once.
Also, every time I try to read, I am legitimately having trouble doing anything except throwing snark at you for what you pulled in Cyberpunk.
Like I've actually almost posted about four times but stopped myself, because of that.
I think Arnnaria is flailing a little bit, but then, I also think Cyouni is going at him a bit too hard, so I don't know what to make of them.
soft claim if you think it helps arn im pretty much for your full claim dude
i think that if we have a reasonable certaintity on the scuminess of a player getting a claim out of them before abilities isnt a bad thing, pink floyd
willingness to hunt sounds like you you dont have conviction/already know who is town, cyouni. that statement is horribly dubious
WOD-i dont agree with what artifice did, but you really cant let that prevent you from playing
soft claim if you think it helps arn im pretty much for your full claim dude
i think that if we have a reasonable certaintity on the scuminess of a player getting a claim out of them before abilities isnt a bad thing, pink floyd
willingness to hunt sounds like you you dont have conviction/already know who is town, cyouni. that statement is horribly dubious
WOD-i dont agree with what artifice did, but you really cant let that prevent you from playing
Poggy, if you read my posts before this Cyouni drama happened, my role is pretty obvious and I'm certain most everyone already knows it but just isn't saying it.
I think we should work with the assumption that we have at least a one-shot vig and direct that shot as if it were a lynch. As such, my current pick for a "Combat 1" vig shot is Tanarin.
soft claim if you think it helps arn im pretty much for your full claim dude
i think that if we have a reasonable certaintity on the scuminess of a player getting a claim out of them before abilities isnt a bad thing, pink floyd
willingness to hunt sounds like you you dont have conviction/already know who is town, cyouni. that statement is horribly dubious
WOD-i dont agree with what artifice did, but you really cant let that prevent you from playing
Is this real life? What is going on here? Why is information being needlessly spilled into the thread? Arnnaria, why would you claim early? WHY! Pressure from poggydude's fishing is NOT a valid reason to claim.
This game is far too tight for people to be loose with their information. Please keep it close to the chest unless the TOWN calls upon you to claim, NOT one random person who is looking scummier by the minute with his fishing attempts. Next thing you know, Aang and/or the Cop will be full claiming...
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#3 I want to comment on Arnnaria. I see him bread-crumbing his role already, and I don't like it. In addition, his whole set of reactions has been strange and illogical. Maybe he's confused town, but he is not inspiring much confidence in me. I still think Tannarin is worse, but Arnnaria isn't far behind in scummyness.
You already knew. You try dealing with a tunneling character for five pages who twists everything you say into new information for his "case.". Which was based upon a simple mistake I made. It's not fun to be backed into a corner like that and I was having no fun defending myself time and time again from Manders, Cyouni, and Poggy.
I'm sure this too is going to be twisted into some sort of scum gambit too. Either way, now the ball is in their court if they really think its the Towns best interest to lynch me.
In two posts, you've both called me town (tunneling) and scum (buddies).
Could you at least try to keep your story straight?
Cy, I'm not fully versed in the terminology yet.
I'm sorry.
Just give it a break already. You've been hounding me at every chance you get. This isn't mafia, this is a vindictive witch hunt. You have shown no respect for me as a player or as a person. Jeez, i know you think I'm scum, but I can't even get a word in edgewise without you flipping it, turning it sideways, and cramming it down my throat.
Why does he need to vote if we aren't planning to lynch till Evening? As long as that is the plan, the Morning is just a discussion phase.
Also, on the topic of everyone acting like Aang to hide him: "I'm Samson!"
i feel a little pressure on people helps inform the actions, thats just my 2 cents.
Either way, i certainly dont want a pre action lynch that would just be awful.
you mean before actions?
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You've pretty much completely avoided the whole thing in favour of saying "it seems scripted", which means nothing at all.
@Dragonheart:
Elaborate on your thoughts more.Your train of thought is clear enough that no elaboration is needed.Also, it looks like Arnnaria decided Tanarin was scummy after all. Surprise, surprise.
Especially since he never answered this.
This is just ridiculous.
It's not a perfect analogy; alternatively, we are trying to hide the tree in the forest.
For one, we aren't lynching in Morning because we are more likely to lynch correctly after "Combat" informs our decision (obviously this may change in a LyLo situation). Secondly, I don't think I understand your vote. Unnecessary clarification can be scummy, but I don't see that from Tanarin.
Or, for a younger crowd: "Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?"
If we aren't lynching in mornings, why are we voting?
to put pressure and maybe(big maybe) get a claim
If conversation becomes stalled we can move to Evening where our votes actually matter. In the meantime, we vote to apply pressure to people and see who cracks. I suppose it is a bit less effective when they know we aren't going to lynch them right now though... Does anyone have a better idea for how to utilize this initial Morning phase?
if we get a guilty result on someone we can lycnh them in the morning to prevent shenanagins
Cy I told the truth throughout the inquisition. I admitted to my mistakes open and honestly. And the entire time I didn't throw back at my attackers (you and Poggy). Yes, I did get upset with Manders. But I always get upset with Manders. Especially this game because she potentially took the spot of a more active player.
If we run scum up to L-2 they have to claim.
Ability phase occurs.
If there is no evidence that their claim was true (through combat actions), then we lynch?
You do realize that what I'm calling "scripted" is your entire game so far, right? AI put it perfectly when he said something about squinting and looking at your posts sideways. I feel as though you are, for lack of a better way to put it, inventing reality.
Why exactly are you so hellbent that Tanarin is town?
And for that matter, how about a general impression on all the players? I'm trying to understand who you think is scum helping who here.
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Are you actually trying to argue this?
Not to mention the fact that you're completely avoiding the main point.
First of all, that was Arnnaria's posts AI was talking about. And you haven't given any reasons as to why.
I'm not. Nice twisting of words there, given I didn't say a single word about that.
I'm completely unsurprised by the fact that Arnnaria is deciding to try and deflect onto Tanarin. It's the most opportune thing to do as scum, and he decided to transition off "I don't know whether Tanarin is scum or not paying attention". He never answered my question as to why that was the case, and he suddenly magically decides that he thinks Tanarin's scum after all.
I'm actually bored enough that I feel like it.
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It's pretty simple how Arnnaria can't keep his story straight.
When questioned about his thoughts on "If Aang dies, the game is over", this is his line:
Didn't realize the intricacies. In other words, he never understood it. This is further strengthened by this line:
Go back to that line. Take a look at the quoted posts, especially post #12 and #14. Now move on to the next part.
In this part, he claims he "forgot" the win conditions temporarily.
Now, if you take a look at post #14, it's the same one from before.
Yet now, he's claiming that at that point, he understood the win conditions.
He just can't keep his story straight. This whole business about forgetting the win conditions is a lie made up in order to excuse his overreaction. His self-consciousness about the vote on him is ridiculously extreme. He's pretty much saying "Oh, this explains my overreaction, so unvote me now".
There's also the amusing fact that Arnnaria is condemning Tanarin for stuff used by him as well. All that "twisting words to appear town"? Applies to him as well.
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So if you're not listening to me. And you're not listening to others, what am I supposed to do in this situation? I'm not going to fall on my sword to prove I'm town. And I'm not going to curry favors from others to do so either.
So, the only option for me at this point is to simply ignore your poison. I am done with this discussion with you. If you wish to discuss it with others, feel free. But I'm not waving a white flag when I've more than adequately answered your queries multiple times.
If you want to have a civilized conversation about my gameplay that doesn't involve a point I've already answered more than three times, maybe I'll be receptive. But continuing to hijack the thread with your deceit is getting the town nowhere.
Tl;dr - I'm done answering the same questions over and over. I refuse to answer them for a fourth or fifth time. I'm moving on.
If a soft claim will put us back to scum hunting, I'd do it. But I really don't think my fellow town would appreciate losing my abilities to a role blocker in a game as tight as this.
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I believe so.
@Wrath and Grickey: thoughts on Tanarin, Cyouni, Arn', myself and AI being so eirily in agreement, and general goings-on? Three posts between the two of you I believe.
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Why would you want players to claim in a phase before the mafia get a phase to do stuff? I think its a terrible idea to force people to claim in morning, the whole idea of lynching in the evening phase is to not give the mafia information.
It shouldn't matter. Lets not pull put the noob card.
You know better than that Arn.
LOL
Wasn't trying to pull noob. Was just trying to figure out why this game has been appreciably more difficult than any game I've ever played in.
Slot him in the pile I'm meh about - AI, Manders, poggy.
By the way, it's not a town-scum list. It's a "willingness to hunt" list.
Try calling this deceit.
Everyone, please read this:
Fearmongeringggggg.
Also, every time I try to read, I am legitimately having trouble doing anything except throwing snark at you for what you pulled in Cyberpunk.
Like I've actually almost posted about four times but stopped myself, because of that.
I think Arnnaria is flailing a little bit, but then, I also think Cyouni is going at him a bit too hard, so I don't know what to make of them.
Tanarin I haven't paid much attention to.
AI I still find scummy.
i think that if we have a reasonable certaintity on the scuminess of a player getting a claim out of them before abilities isnt a bad thing, pink floyd
willingness to hunt sounds like you you dont have conviction/already know who is town, cyouni. that statement is horribly dubious
WOD-i dont agree with what artifice did, but you really cant let that prevent you from playing
Poggy, if you read my posts before this Cyouni drama happened, my role is pretty obvious and I'm certain most everyone already knows it but just isn't saying it.
It was before you replaced in.
You didn't see it at the time or you don't see it now?
There you go.
You get what you ask for, Poggy.
This game is far too tight for people to be loose with their information. Please keep it close to the chest unless the TOWN calls upon you to claim, NOT one random person who is looking scummier by the minute with his fishing attempts. Next thing you know, Aang and/or the Cop will be full claiming...
You already knew. You try dealing with a tunneling character for five pages who twists everything you say into new information for his "case.". Which was based upon a simple mistake I made. It's not fun to be backed into a corner like that and I was having no fun defending myself time and time again from Manders, Cyouni, and Poggy.
I'm sure this too is going to be twisted into some sort of scum gambit too. Either way, now the ball is in their court if they really think its the Towns best interest to lynch me.
That's just asking the most logical question to ask given AI's statement.
Show me where it's actually hinting at you being a vig.
Then have one of your buddies counter claim me, Cy.
Could you at least try to keep your story straight?
Cy, I'm not fully versed in the terminology yet.
I'm sorry.
Just give it a break already. You've been hounding me at every chance you get. This isn't mafia, this is a vindictive witch hunt. You have shown no respect for me as a player or as a person. Jeez, i know you think I'm scum, but I can't even get a word in edgewise without you flipping it, turning it sideways, and cramming it down my throat.
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