Yeah but I mean I just think brinatoo is suffering from lack of experience here. If someone wants him dead, I'll vig him or something.
I'm not on his case for not providing content or being generally uncooperative. The way he listed his reads in #169 just doesn't really indicate a townie mindset.
I think Drey is town. I think Zas is town. I have been watching iLord closely after the third person question. I think DJC is town. I think Burst is town. I have a feeling about Gigas. I think Niv is town unless Gigas is scum, then I might rethink things, but probably not because I don't know much about Niv. And everyone else I need more content from to figure out.
I'm not on his case for not providing content or being generally uncooperative. The way he listed his reads in #169 just doesn't really indicate a townie mindset.
Can you restate and expand the bolded based on the quote I've provided? How exactly does the quoted paragraph indicate mindset, and more specifically a scummy mindset?
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It's not quite as simple as a matter of my opinion - it indicates a certain lapse in your proposed mindset. Your vote indicates that you purportedly believe Gigas is scum. Your list here, however, lists Niv being town as the primary read with a qualifier indicating that you would change your opinion if Gigas was scum. Cognitively, this is incompatible with your assumption that Gigas is presently more likely to be scum. The construction that would indicate a more genuine mindset would be "If Gigas turns out to be scum, then I would think Niv is town," putting a conditional on the phrase with regards to Niv's alignment because, in your mind, the condition is not currently met.
I mean I see what you're saying but I just don't see him being that careless as indicative of alignment. Just seems like overall poor logic, not scum logic.
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I mean I see what you're saying but I just don't see him being that careless as indicative of alignment. Just seems like overall poor logic, not scum logic.
I don't even think it's done as consciously as logic - it's just the way he listed things. I mean, yeah, it's not damning, but it's definitely something to go on at this point that indicates there's some type of disparity between what he's thinking and what he's saying.
I don't even think it's done as consciously as logic - it's just the way he listed things. I mean, yeah, it's not damning, but it's definitely something to go on at this point that indicates there's some type of disparity between what he's thinking and what he's saying.
Doesn't this just wash out as null then?
And why does this disparity indicate his alignment? Aren't town allowed to lose track of their reads? Or change them?
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And why does this disparity indicate his alignment? Aren't town allowed to lose track of their reads? Or change them?
"Not damning" does not mean "no relationship to alignment."
It's a lot easier for town to keep their reads straight because they're genuine. As the old adage goes, you don't have to remember what you said if you told the truth.
And I don't see how this has anything to do with changing reads >_>.
Alright, quickly skimmed everything, but still need to do look over the intertextual things (since this site doesn't have stacked quotes). But this stood out to me.
Look at Brinatoo lashing out at Niv. He can point out people not providing content, how about some scumhunting?
You say the best thing to do this early on is pressuring. Have you applied pressure? All I see is Gigas as a hunch. Really now?
I agree with Nivs post 178
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The only person this bothered is Brinatoo, unsurprisingly. (I think he's also in the "idiot until proven guilty" category with DRey and others.) But there are several things wrong with this post in my mind beyond misrepresentation.
First he says he's going to get involved in the game here. Quick thread search confirms this. So why, of all the controversies big, small, and stupid, would he jump on Brinatoo? There's nothing about the Brinatoo case that's different from that on any other of the controversial morons in this game (except in magnitude, perhaps). Care to explain, AE?
Second line is clearly Pot Meets Kettle when Brinatoo himself has made more substantive posts at this point than AE.
Third line doesn't make much sense to me, either as a scum tell or as a logical argument. Then there's a barn of Niv's silly #178 and a vote.
So in short, this post is a strange mix of barn and bull. The only other two posts he's made with any reasonable comment:
This post(204) in general comes across as trying to play to the town and not step on toes.
Lets look.
A push to discredit.
Heres a 'stern scolding.' His vote was what, the 3rd? You have to bring up that theres no deadline and the wagon is being rushed?
Plus your post there(175) was in response to his post(173) calling your posts useless. This one pretty much is. You try to discredit him and then deflect with the second paragraph, ignoring what Niv has directed at you.
Heres more of your lashing out.
Notably, AE doesn't address the other component of Brinatoo's accusation that "here's someone who is "providing no content."" (I think I'm reading that right.) Indeed, the post looks like doubling-down on the accusation to dodge the fact that he's (AE) doing the exact things he's accusing Brinatoo of doing.
The discredit bit isn't awful on face, but it begs the question why scum Brinatoo would move to discredit. This is answered in the next two sentences, which seem to suggest scum Brinatoo is trying to manufacture content and was attacking Niv for suggesting his posts were useless. The problem is that there's no effort made to demonstrate scum thinking here, evaluate Brinatoo's posts outside a vacuum, or address any of Brinatoo's actual content like 204, which just qualifies as "coasting". And while 204 isn't some masterpiece, it doesn't feel like deliberately constructed noise.
Ultimately, these accusations feel thrown together, and that's not even addressing their hypocrisy.
Since its coming from a scummy player that has just been trying to cruise through day one.
Again, Pot Meet Kettle. And as Artifice noted, this doesn't answer his question at all. If anything, lashing out seems like the worst way to cruise through Day 1 without "step[ping] on toes".
The only other way this makes sense is if Brinatoo is the most panicky scum ever. By this logic, scum Brinatoo has exactly two settings, "cruising" and "lashing out", and it took only an askance look from Niv to send him into conniptions. That logic is miserable, but it feels less like just bad thinking than an attempt to backfill the basis of a sloppy wagon.
Anyway, I need to give this some more thought, and have more rereading to do later, but I want AE to respond to the above.
What is stupid? My gameplay? What strikes you as scummy? Niv, I don't know how you play. You jumping on me like this tells me more about your frustration and either shows that I stepped on the tail of a lion or you are genuinely pissed off. And stop saying I am not providing content. You are the only annoyed person I see and I have not been nightkilled by town as town yet. Scum tends to keep me alive for mislynches.
Stupid was you calling me impatient. when you post a useless posts, and I tell you their useless and ask for a little more than an unexplained baseless vote. there is nothing impatient about that. as for scummy, the baseless linking of me to Gigas, that's incredibly bad. you just declared that I was now linked to him, beacuse I called out your terrible post voting him.
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I don't quite like the rest of your post here either. you provide basically nothing with regards to your case on Gigas, and provide mostly adhom responses to the case on you. at this point, I'm happy with my vote.
That is backwards to me. If I am right about Gigas, then, at the time, Niv struck me as a possible scumbuddy. It was not a conditional situation that my read at the time towards Niv was anything to really value, hence the rest of the sentence. But I have no prior knowledge to how Niv plays at all and it is just a hypothesis. Him blowing up me was a huge tonal change, in my opinion, genuinely pissed off. I asked if anyone can see scum Niv doing this...got no response...
ok, great, you're ignoreing the fact that you're vote was terrible, and you've ignored the fact that I've claimed that i would have Called you out no matter who you voted, had your post voting gigas voted for burst, or DRay, I'd have called you out exactally the same.
Yeah, that's a typo on my part. In light of the duality you just mentioned, the natural construction would be: "I think Niv is scum unless Gigas is town," which would be consistent with your belief that Gigas is scum.
I still don't see how people are even acknowledging a conection that's to be made. I don't get how your discussion with him is then relivant, as it doesn't matter how he worded it, when the statement is terrible either way.
I don't even think it's done as consciously as logic - it's just the way he listed things. I mean, yeah, it's not damning, but it's definitely something to go on at this point that indicates there's some type of disparity between what he's thinking and what he's saying.
Doesn't this just wash out as null then?
And why does this disparity indicate his alignment? Aren't town allowed to lose track of their reads? Or change them?
this is terrible logic. like, it's just downright wrong.
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I recently played a game with brinatoo where he was town and did the exact same thing. He is also a noob. As such your vote, while certainly somewhat substantiated, isn't that great. Compared to the other targets you've noted your brinatoo vote is relatively weak.
While this may be great for you, having not played in about a year and a half, I don't have meta reads on most players, and the ones that I did are likely outdated.
And the Vote may seem week, but I feel that that's simply simply beacuse of the lack of quanaty to go on, but when 100% of that minimal quanity is bad, I'd rather go for that than something that atleast has 15% good abet a greater quanity of bad overall.
No...I'm not crazy about you trading your vote this early in the game. It feels off to me.
My problem is this:
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I have noticed something suspicious, but I'm not the only one.
I took Zaz at face value regarding level of experience, as I've never crossed paths with him. I have to assume that an experienced player wouldn't make such a colossal slip up only twenty posts into a game by making such a blatant coach right out in the open.
I *know* you're an experienced player, and i know you love to run gambits and act in very unorthodox ways. So for you to lock onto this quote as serious is *very* hard for me to believe based on what I know of you. Therefore, I believe you're up to something.
Do you believe Zaz's claim that he's an experienced player?
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I don't see how this question is valid in any way. there is no beiliving to be done when someone claims experence. for there is absoltally zero reason for anyone to lie about experence as it's easily outed by both the asker of the question, and by the community as a whole.
I also don't agree with the logic posted here, but atleast I follow where you're coming from.
Well, I read his his first post as beyond forced. like, so forced that he felt he needed to specifically clarify that it was not an RVS vote. his next post he questions you as to whether or not you're taking him seriously. and then he asks Zas if he's bieng serious, but with a kicker question of how experenced he is, which does nothing. like, I don's see how it's relivant at all.
all in all, imo, all three posts were terrible. the case was forced, and the questioning useless.
That's a good paragraph of explanation there. Why did you consider the original vote to be self-explanatory, given how many lines it takes to explain it?
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Pretty certain Brinatoo is a townie playing it on gut. 169 reads townie.
Cause I felt that since this "good paragrapah" of explantion was so obvious to me, it'd be just as obvious to everyone else.
also, I don't see how baseless accusations, failed linking, and calling me impatient read as townie, could you explain a tad more why you think this is the case?
The problem isn't that he isn't providing content. It's the way he lashed out at Niv. Have you seen him do that before kpaca?
this isn't much more than Brinatoo provided. While the vote wasn't based on the lack of content, I'd like you to provide a little more, as this is the first post by you that I can remember.
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2. Still down to lynch Burstinatrix or Brinatoo. Still suspicious of Yanni due to his interactions with Burstinatrix's wagon. Still keeping an eye on DRey and ZasZ234 for their early throat-jumping.
If AI comes up scum, guaranteed one of these are also.
I mean I see what you're saying but I just don't see him being that careless as indicative of alignment. Just seems like overall poor logic, not scum logic.
But you don't see him being careless? You contradict yourself.
His tone strikes me as frustrated, which is a bad thing.
What does this have to do with anything?
I was asking others for their opinion if this strikes to them as scummy Niv. I don't know Niv.
What does this have to do with you claiming theres no deadline and a rushing wagon, which wasn't the case.
Explain how I am discrediting him.
"Holy ****. Implode." "Niv. There is no deadline and no need to rush bull**** lynches"
He is saying that I have posted no content, which is not true. That was in no way a deflection. It was a request for a decent amount of discussion from our group.
First he says he's going to get involved in the game here. Quick thread search confirms this. So why, of all the controversies big, small, and stupid, would he jump on Brinatoo? There's nothing about the Brinatoo case that's different from that on any other of the controversial morons in this game (except in magnitude, perhaps). Care to explain, AE?
At that point reading the last page, I read what Niv was saying about Brinatoo. So I looked back on Brinatoo and took a stance there.
Second line is clearly Pot Meets Kettle when Brinatoo himself has made more substantive posts at this point than AE.
Substantive? Really? The point is. Brinatoo claims early pressure is the best thing to do. But he had done non of that. I hadn't claimed anything. So how about that pot/kettle?
Third line doesn't make much sense to me, either as a scum tell or as a logical argument. Then there's a barn of Niv's silly #178 and a vote.
Nivs post is silly? So you feel Brinatoo had been providing content in his posts?
Notably, AE doesn't address the other component of Brinatoo's accusation that "here's someone who is "providing no content."" (I think I'm reading that right.) Indeed, the post looks like doubling-down on the accusation to dodge the fact that he's (AE) doing the exact things he's accusing Brinatoo of doing.
Are you intentionally trying to smear me? Theres no need to address that. I hadn't posted. Wasn't around. Its not even close to being the same thing. I had no posts. Brinatoo had a few with nothing in them. He claimed his vote on Gigas was because early pressure is the best thing to do. He did nothing to bring pressure, just layed his vote there. His posts weren't scumhunting posts.
The discredit bit isn't awful on face, but it begs the question why scum Brinatoo would move to discredit. This is answered in the next two sentences, which seem to suggest scum Brinatoo is trying to manufacture content and was attacking Niv for suggesting his posts were useless. The problem is that there's no effort made to demonstrate scum thinking here, evaluate Brinatoo's posts outside a vacuum, or address any of Brinatoo's actual content like 204, which just qualifies as "coasting". And while 204 isn't some masterpiece, it doesn't feel like deliberately constructed noise.
A scum Brinatoo is trying to discredit Niv to keep eyes of himself. Its clearly there.
Ultimately, these accusations feel thrown together, and that's not even addressing their hypocrisy.
Not thrown together. They're what Brinatoo is presenting to us.
Again, Pot Meet Kettle. And as Artifice noted, this doesn't answer his question at all. If anything, lashing out seems like the worst way to cruise through Day 1 without "step[ping] on toes".
Again, take your pot and kettle somewhere else. He was trying to cruise through the day and panicked when Niv called him out.
The only other way this makes sense is if Brinatoo is the most panicky scum ever. By this logic, scum Brinatoo has exactly two settings, "cruising" and "lashing out", and it took only an askance look from Niv to send him into conniptions. That logic is miserable, but it feels less like just bad thinking than an attempt to backfill the basis of a sloppy wagon.
He could be (how many times has he been scum?) Exactly two settings? I wouldn't corner someones play into any category but at this point thats what has developed.
I mean I see what you're saying but I just don't see him being that careless as indicative of alignment. Just seems like overall poor logic, not scum logic.
This post(204) in general comes across as trying to play to the town and not step on toes.
Lets look.
A push to discredit.
Heres a 'stern scolding.' His vote was what, the 3rd? You have to bring up that theres no deadline and the wagon is being rushed?
Plus your post there(175) was in response to his post(173) calling your posts useless. This one pretty much is. You try to discredit him and then deflect with the second paragraph, ignoring what Niv has directed at you.
Heres more of your lashing out.
These are good responses to Brinatoo's posts. They're also accurate.
That isn't what I said. I said Niv might be scumbuddies with Gigas but I have no clue how Niv plays.
Salutations.
Salutationsx2.
I think others will disagree with this.
His tone strikes me as frustrated, which is a bad thing. I was asking others for their opinion if this strikes to them as scummy Niv. I don't know Niv.
Explain how I am discrediting him. He is saying that I have posted no content, which is not true. That was in no way a deflection. It was a request for a decent amount of discussion from our group.
He was lashing out at me.
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These are bad responses to AE's responses. Unvote, Vote: Brinatoo
Like I said before, why do you think Zas would coach in this way? You must be a mind reader, because you are so convinced it's true. Explain to me why you're so convinced. Persuade me why I should believe your view and not his defence. Just saying it was a coaching attempt doesn't make it so. What it could do, however, is persuade some people into believing your view. That's defamation, and not a good way for the town to win.
No. To do a character assassination, you paint someone in a bad light to get the town to believe someone is scum for no other reason that that you say that person is scum. I just asked Burst a question to which he responded in a scummy way, therefore I continued questioning him (basically digging his own grave IMO). What kpaca does is saying ZasZ did something scummy without giving any substantiation to his claim, and that's character assassination. That's why I ask him to tell me give us some substantiation to why he thinks ZasZ would do such an obvious thing if he really was coaching, other than just saying it's so.
And frankly, if you see my actions against Burst as nothing more than character assassination, why then did you wholly support me in my case against him?
I thought you meant Character Assassination as attacks.
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At that point reading the last page, I read what Niv was saying about Brinatoo. So I looked back on Brinatoo and took a stance there.
So it was just a random agreement? That doesn't sound very helpful.
Substantive? Really? The point is. Brinatoo claims early pressure is the best thing to do. But he had done non of that. I hadn't claimed anything. So how about that pot/kettle?
I'll repost your line:
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He can point out people not providing content, how about some scumhunting?
This has nothing to do with your "pressure" bit. And the extent of your own "scumhunting" is one long barn of Niv's weak case on Brinatoo. Hence, hypocritical logic.
Nivs post is silly? So you feel Brinatoo had been providing content in his posts?
Not as much as I'd like, but it's not like he wasn't doing anything constructive, like... well, you.
Let's be clear here so we don't get into a tangle on this: I think Brinatoo's an idiot, but like many of the other idiots in this game, I don't read any malicious intention into his posts. Whereas your posts read as much less earnest and helpful.
Are you intentionally trying to smear me?
Looks like someone's lashing out, eh?
Theres no need to address that. I hadn't posted. Wasn't around. Its not even close to being the same thing. I had no posts.
Oh, I guess they're "exempt" because they're gibberish? So what you're saying is the difference between you and Brinatoo is that he was actually doing something?
Brinatoo had a few with nothing in them. He claimed his vote on Gigas was because early pressure is the best thing to do. He did nothing to bring pressure, just layed his vote there. His posts weren't scumhunting posts.
Right, but again, you're not telling me what a) differentiates what you're doing to him now (or, for that matter, what Niv was doing) from what he was doing, or b) why what you're doing is townie behavior while his is scum behavior. You aren't addressing my concerns at all, you're just giving me the same "we're not the same because he's dumb" schtick.
A scum Brinatoo is trying to discredit Niv to keep eyes of himself. Its clearly there.
Clearly. Except for the fact that that came before Niv voted for him, as I said. And again, you aren't addressing anything else I said in that paragraph you quoted.
Not thrown together. They're what Brinatoo is presenting to us.
But you're not saying why they're different, you're just telling me they are different without addressing my clear concerns with that notion.
Again, take your pot and kettle somewhere else. He was trying to cruise through the day and panicked when Niv called him out.
He could be (how many times has he been scum?) Exactly two settings? I wouldn't corner someones play into any category but at this point thats what has developed.
The bolded bit is some clever doublespeak. "I wouldn't say someone's a pedophile, but it does appear Mr. Smith loves to have sex with children."
Your theory is so simplistic and not supported at all in evidence; nor are you addressing any of my real concerns either with that conclusion or your behavior. I feel confident now that I'm on the right track.
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So it was just a random agreement? That doesn't sound very helpful.
If your town your doing a horrible job. Your trying to turn everything I say into scummy form.
The only thing "random" is where I started. The last page at the time.
This has nothing to do with your "pressure" bit. And the extent of your own "scumhunting" is one long barn of Niv's weak case on Brinatoo. Hence, hypocritical logic.
Boy your reaching.
Yes it does. He says the best thing early is pressure. Something he's not doing.
You can try and smear me all you want. Call me out for my lack of scumhunting. I hadn't started the game, of course there will be no posts worth any value.
Not as much as I'd like, but it's not like he wasn't doing anything constructive, like... well, you.
Yeah call me out on posts I didn't have, thats a good one. What was constructive about his voting Gigas on gut and not following up with pressure?
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Looks like someone's lashing out, eh?
Your good. It was a question not a statement. So wheres the tongue lashing?
Oh, I guess they're "exempt" because they're gibberish? So what you're saying is the difference between you and Brinatoo is that he was actually doing something?
Right. Random nothings. Point out to me what Brinatoo was doing.
Right, but again, you're not telling me what a) differentiates what you're doing to him now (or, for that matter, what Niv was doing) from what he was doing, or b) why what you're doing is townie behavior while his is scum behavior. You aren't addressing my concerns at all, you're just giving me the same "we're not the same because he's dumb" schtick.
I'm not saying he's scum on gut, placing my vote on him and then ignoring him. I've continued to post and not ignore things. Your the one stuck on this "dumb" thing not me.
Clearly. Except for the fact that that came before Niv voted for him, as I said. And again, you aren't addressing anything else I said in that paragraph you quoted.
Who cares if it came before Niv voted him. It means nothing. He's worried about the town as a whole. Discredit Niv in thier eyes so he won't be pressured by them.
But you're not saying why they're different, you're just telling me they are different without addressing my clear concerns with that notion.
These posts are becoming walls. What are your concerns? Break them down.
The bolded bit is some clever doublespeak. "I wouldn't say someone's a pedophile, but it does appear Mr. Smith loves to have sex with children."
Reaching again. I'm not painting him in a certain playstyle. I'm not familiar with him. But as you say, his two settings this game have been cruising and lashing out.
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and given Burst's experience level I'm inclined to believe he's just idiot town.
Just to use the context of your proposed dichotomy (since I think it's very polite to call someone an idiot because of a forum game), you don't think there's such thing as idiot scum?
2. Still down to lynch Burstinatrix or Brinatoo. Still suspicious of Yanni due to his interactions with Burstinatrix's wagon. Still keeping an eye on DRey and ZasZ234 for their early throat-jumping.
If AI comes up scum, guaranteed one of these are also.
One of? All the people he mentioned? One of those FIVE who each have been under some pressure so far today (perhaps excluding Yanni)? What a mighty thick limb you went out on there.
While we're on the subject...why do you guarantee one of them are scum if Asian is?
That he's spot on. But I have a feeling Yannis worming his way onto the wagon as I've pointed out at the top of the post.
So, he's spot on, right? And yet, you have suspicions of his reasons for being on a wagon.
Breaking it down:
-- You seem to imply that you think Yanni could be scum, trying to get on a presumably town wagon.
-- You think Yanni's analysis and vote for Brinatoo as scum are spot on.
What conclusion do you take away? Which party is scum?
Both?
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Alpha Of course there are "idiot scum" players. I don't see Burst's posts as idiot scum and instead I see them as confused/idiot town. The gut read was town. His responses to Wessel were sub-par which lead me to believe he was scum. He then said he was "confused" which lead me to believe that he is confused or idiot town. I'm willing to take that post at face value given burst's experience.
Archmage I read just the last page concerning brinatoo. That exchange of posts stuck out. I will read the entire case today or tomorrow.
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And frankly, if you see my actions against Burst as nothing more than character assassination, why then did you wholly support me in my case against him?
This sums up my suspicions against Yanni perfectly; his posts are thick with doublespeak, to the point where figuring out what he actually believes (or is trying to make us believe) next to impossible. Also, notably, he never responded to this accusation.
One of? All the people he mentioned? One of those FIVE who each have been under some pressure so far today (perhaps excluding Yanni)? What a mighty thick limb you went out on there.
While we're on the subject...why do you guarantee one of them are scum if Asian is?
I'm glad someone else caught on to how ridiculous Archmage Eternal's post was, especially considering that there are 21 players in the game, which means between 4-6 scum (barring shenanigans).
One of? All the people he mentioned? One of those FIVE who each have been under some pressure so far today (perhaps excluding Yanni)? What a mighty thick limb you went out on there.
While we're on the subject...why do you guarantee one of them are scum if Asian is?
He has a habit of posting these lists early on and includes one or two of his buddies.
So, he's spot on, right? And yet, you have suspicions of his reasons for being on a wagon. Breaking it down:
-- You seem to imply that you think Yanni could be scum, trying to get on a presumably town wagon.
Thats what has me wavering.
-- You think Yanni's analysis and vote for Brinatoo as scum are spot on.
He has no analysis. He's spot on in regards to my responses and Brinatoos. I'm bias here as I believe in my reads and Yanni could just be blatanly barning and never looked at the posts.
What conclusion do you take away? Which party is scum?
Both?
I think Yanni is scum. I haven't gotten anything from Brinatoo that tells me he is not.
I'm glad someone else caught on to how ridiculous Archmage Eternal's post was, especially considering that there are 21 players in the game, which means between 4-6 scum (barring shenanigans).
Heres another scum trait. Belittling, discrediting.
This sums up my suspicions against Yanni perfectly; his posts are thick with doublespeak, to the point where figuring out what he actually believes (or is trying to make us believe) next to impossible. Also, notably, he never responded to this accusation.
I'm glad someone else caught on to how ridiculous Archmage Eternal's post was, especially considering that there are 21 players in the game, which means between 4-6 scum (barring shenanigans).
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Where I responded to Wessel's accusation?
Bull****. Read the thread please.
If you're talking about yoru accusations, also bull**** because I responded to you as well.
Asian Invasion's post here, at least reguarding me, is a blatant lie.
Archmage I obviously read part of the case if I posted about it.
I have the intent to read niv's post and the rest of yours when I have more time.
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And frankly, if you see my actions against Burst as nothing more than character assassination, why then did you wholly support me in my case against him?
I thought you meant Character Assassination as attacks.
My bad.
I missed this because it was at the end of a /barn post that needlessly quoted walls of text from Archmage Eternal addressing Brinatoo's scumminess.
That said, it's not exactly much of a defense. "Sorry bro, I confuse smearing and scum-hunting all the time." Null at best.
Even if we ignore this issue, the blatant /barning you do, including joining the Burstinatrix wagon, jumping off the same, toeing the line on the DRey wagon, and joining the Brinatoo wagon, make me think that you are doing no genuine analysis of your own. Not your town play by a mile.
Even if we ignore this issue, the blatant /barning you do, including joining the Burstinatrix wagon, jumping off the same, toeing the line on the DRey wagon, and joining the Brinatoo wagon, make me think that you are doing no genuine analysis of your own. Not your town play by a mile.
Don't make me read back. Are you voting Yanni?
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I missed this because it was at the end of a /barn post that needlessly quoted walls of text from Archmage Eternal addressing Brinatoo's scumminess.
That said, it's not exactly much of a defense. "Sorry bro, I confuse smearing and scum-hunting all the time." Null at best.
Even if we ignore this issue, the blatant /barning you do, including joining the Burstinatrix wagon, jumping off the same, toeing the line on the DRey wagon, and joining the Brinatoo wagon, make me think that you are doing no genuine analysis of your own. Not your town play by a mile.
So now your jumping on a new point and leaving behind the "double speak"
This isn't the first time you've done this.
You asked me to explain my vote on Drey and I did, then you left that point for the Double Speak one.
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List of things AI has tried to use against me.
1. Weak vote on Drey
2. Double Speak
3. Wagon Hopping
4. Weak Meta Case
All lack explinations.
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I still don't see how people are even acknowledging a conection that's to be made. I don't get how your discussion with him is then relivant, as it doesn't matter how he worded it, when the statement is terrible either way.
The connection was illogical. The construction was scummy. One of these two we are very concerned about, the other far less so.
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That was a quick read from later.
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Cause he's way to eager to be convinced.
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Archmage I read just the last page concerning brinatoo. That exchange of posts stuck out. I will read the entire case today or tomorrow.
I'm not on his case for not providing content or being generally uncooperative. The way he listed his reads in #169 just doesn't really indicate a townie mindset.
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Can you restate and expand the bolded based on the quote I've provided? How exactly does the quoted paragraph indicate mindset, and more specifically a scummy mindset?
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I mean I see what you're saying but I just don't see him being that careless as indicative of alignment. Just seems like overall poor logic, not scum logic.
I don't even think it's done as consciously as logic - it's just the way he listed things. I mean, yeah, it's not damning, but it's definitely something to go on at this point that indicates there's some type of disparity between what he's thinking and what he's saying.
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And why does this disparity indicate his alignment? Aren't town allowed to lose track of their reads? Or change them?
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"Not damning" does not mean "no relationship to alignment."
It's a lot easier for town to keep their reads straight because they're genuine. As the old adage goes, you don't have to remember what you said if you told the truth.
And I don't see how this has anything to do with changing reads >_>.
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Alright, quickly skimmed everything, but still need to do look over the intertextual things (since this site doesn't have stacked quotes). But this stood out to me.
The only person this bothered is Brinatoo, unsurprisingly. (I think he's also in the "idiot until proven guilty" category with DRey and others.) But there are several things wrong with this post in my mind beyond misrepresentation.
First he says he's going to get involved in the game here. Quick thread search confirms this. So why, of all the controversies big, small, and stupid, would he jump on Brinatoo? There's nothing about the Brinatoo case that's different from that on any other of the controversial morons in this game (except in magnitude, perhaps). Care to explain, AE?
Second line is clearly Pot Meets Kettle when Brinatoo himself has made more substantive posts at this point than AE.
Third line doesn't make much sense to me, either as a scum tell or as a logical argument. Then there's a barn of Niv's silly #178 and a vote.
So in short, this post is a strange mix of barn and bull. The only other two posts he's made with any reasonable comment:
Notably, AE doesn't address the other component of Brinatoo's accusation that "here's someone who is "providing no content."" (I think I'm reading that right.) Indeed, the post looks like doubling-down on the accusation to dodge the fact that he's (AE) doing the exact things he's accusing Brinatoo of doing.
The discredit bit isn't awful on face, but it begs the question why scum Brinatoo would move to discredit. This is answered in the next two sentences, which seem to suggest scum Brinatoo is trying to manufacture content and was attacking Niv for suggesting his posts were useless. The problem is that there's no effort made to demonstrate scum thinking here, evaluate Brinatoo's posts outside a vacuum, or address any of Brinatoo's actual content like 204, which just qualifies as "coasting". And while 204 isn't some masterpiece, it doesn't feel like deliberately constructed noise.
Ultimately, these accusations feel thrown together, and that's not even addressing their hypocrisy.
Again, Pot Meet Kettle. And as Artifice noted, this doesn't answer his question at all. If anything, lashing out seems like the worst way to cruise through Day 1 without "step[ping] on toes".
The only other way this makes sense is if Brinatoo is the most panicky scum ever. By this logic, scum Brinatoo has exactly two settings, "cruising" and "lashing out", and it took only an askance look from Niv to send him into conniptions. That logic is miserable, but it feels less like just bad thinking than an attempt to backfill the basis of a sloppy wagon.
Anyway, I need to give this some more thought, and have more rereading to do later, but I want AE to respond to the above.
Stupid was you calling me impatient. when you post a useless posts, and I tell you their useless and ask for a little more than an unexplained baseless vote. there is nothing impatient about that. as for scummy, the baseless linking of me to Gigas, that's incredibly bad. you just declared that I was now linked to him, beacuse I called out your terrible post voting him.
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I don't quite like the rest of your post here either. you provide basically nothing with regards to your case on Gigas, and provide mostly adhom responses to the case on you. at this point, I'm happy with my vote.
ok, great, you're ignoreing the fact that you're vote was terrible, and you've ignored the fact that I've claimed that i would have Called you out no matter who you voted, had your post voting gigas voted for burst, or DRay, I'd have called you out exactally the same.
I still don't see how people are even acknowledging a conection that's to be made. I don't get how your discussion with him is then relivant, as it doesn't matter how he worded it, when the statement is terrible either way.
Aww, the number of people that have claimed to miss me is nice. Either that or it's been so long that people don't remember playing with me.
this was added after the fact.
Aww, didn't this arguement used to be made regarding me?
this is terrible logic. like, it's just downright wrong.
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While this may be great for you, having not played in about a year and a half, I don't have meta reads on most players, and the ones that I did are likely outdated.
And the Vote may seem week, but I feel that that's simply simply beacuse of the lack of quanaty to go on, but when 100% of that minimal quanity is bad, I'd rather go for that than something that atleast has 15% good abet a greater quanity of bad overall.
i do not follow your logic at all.
I don't see how this question is valid in any way. there is no beiliving to be done when someone claims experence. for there is absoltally zero reason for anyone to lie about experence as it's easily outed by both the asker of the question, and by the community as a whole.
I also don't agree with the logic posted here, but atleast I follow where you're coming from.
Cause I felt that since this "good paragrapah" of explantion was so obvious to me, it'd be just as obvious to everyone else.
also, I don't see how baseless accusations, failed linking, and calling me impatient read as townie, could you explain a tad more why you think this is the case?
this isn't much more than Brinatoo provided. While the vote wasn't based on the lack of content, I'd like you to provide a little more, as this is the first post by you that I can remember.
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He had nothing in his posts. Got called on it by Niv and avoided answering.
If AI comes up scum, guaranteed one of these are also.
Lack of experience...
But you don't see him being careless? You contradict yourself.
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Why do you think that?
What does this have to do with anything?
What does this have to do with you claiming theres no deadline and a rushing wagon, which wasn't the case.
"Holy ****. Implode." "Niv. There is no deadline and no need to rush bull**** lynches"
Show me your content.
No need for wishing.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I see him as careless, but don't see that as indicative of alignment. There is no contradiction here.
At that point reading the last page, I read what Niv was saying about Brinatoo. So I looked back on Brinatoo and took a stance there.
Substantive? Really? The point is. Brinatoo claims early pressure is the best thing to do. But he had done non of that. I hadn't claimed anything. So how about that pot/kettle?
Nivs post is silly? So you feel Brinatoo had been providing content in his posts?
Are you intentionally trying to smear me? Theres no need to address that. I hadn't posted. Wasn't around. Its not even close to being the same thing. I had no posts. Brinatoo had a few with nothing in them. He claimed his vote on Gigas was because early pressure is the best thing to do. He did nothing to bring pressure, just layed his vote there. His posts weren't scumhunting posts.
A scum Brinatoo is trying to discredit Niv to keep eyes of himself. Its clearly there.
Not thrown together. They're what Brinatoo is presenting to us.
Again, take your pot and kettle somewhere else. He was trying to cruise through the day and panicked when Niv called him out.
He could be (how many times has he been scum?) Exactly two settings? I wouldn't corner someones play into any category but at this point thats what has developed.
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Well I mistook that first qoute as you saying you don't see him being careless.
So do you think him being carless is due to being scum coming under pressure?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
No. I'd be voting him if I did.
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No now.
No now.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
These are good responses to Brinatoo's posts. They're also accurate.
These are bad responses to AE's responses.
Unvote, Vote: Brinatoo
I thought you meant Character Assassination as attacks.
My bad.
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Why does Yanni have me wavering?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
you told me now and I had time so I read it now.
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So it was just a random agreement? That doesn't sound very helpful.
I'll repost your line:
This has nothing to do with your "pressure" bit. And the extent of your own "scumhunting" is one long barn of Niv's weak case on Brinatoo. Hence, hypocritical logic.
Not as much as I'd like, but it's not like he wasn't doing anything constructive, like... well, you.
Let's be clear here so we don't get into a tangle on this: I think Brinatoo's an idiot, but like many of the other idiots in this game, I don't read any malicious intention into his posts. Whereas your posts read as much less earnest and helpful.
Looks like someone's lashing out, eh?
Except for this, this, and this?
Oh, I guess they're "exempt" because they're gibberish? So what you're saying is the difference between you and Brinatoo is that he was actually doing something?
Right, but again, you're not telling me what a) differentiates what you're doing to him now (or, for that matter, what Niv was doing) from what he was doing, or b) why what you're doing is townie behavior while his is scum behavior. You aren't addressing my concerns at all, you're just giving me the same "we're not the same because he's dumb" schtick.
Clearly. Except for the fact that that came before Niv voted for him, as I said. And again, you aren't addressing anything else I said in that paragraph you quoted.
But you're not saying why they're different, you're just telling me they are different without addressing my clear concerns with that notion.
The bolded bit is some clever doublespeak. "I wouldn't say someone's a pedophile, but it does appear Mr. Smith loves to have sex with children."
Your theory is so simplistic and not supported at all in evidence; nor are you addressing any of my real concerns either with that conclusion or your behavior. I feel confident now that I'm on the right track.
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8 minutes? To read through me and Niv, and Brinatoos responses? I call bull****.
If your town your doing a horrible job. Your trying to turn everything I say into scummy form.
The only thing "random" is where I started. The last page at the time.
Boy your reaching.
Yes it does. He says the best thing early is pressure. Something he's not doing.
You can try and smear me all you want. Call me out for my lack of scumhunting. I hadn't started the game, of course there will be no posts worth any value.
Yeah call me out on posts I didn't have, thats a good one. What was constructive about his voting Gigas on gut and not following up with pressure?
Your good. It was a question not a statement. So wheres the tongue lashing?
Right. Random nothings. Point out to me what Brinatoo was doing.
I'm not saying he's scum on gut, placing my vote on him and then ignoring him. I've continued to post and not ignore things. Your the one stuck on this "dumb" thing not me.
Who cares if it came before Niv voted him. It means nothing. He's worried about the town as a whole. Discredit Niv in thier eyes so he won't be pressured by them.
These posts are becoming walls. What are your concerns? Break them down.
Reaching again. I'm not painting him in a certain playstyle. I'm not familiar with him. But as you say, his two settings this game have been cruising and lashing out.
That he's spot on. But I have a feeling Yannis worming his way onto the wagon as I've pointed out at the top of the post.
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Just to use the context of your proposed dichotomy (since I think it's very polite to call someone an idiot because of a forum game), you don't think there's such thing as idiot scum?
One of? All the people he mentioned? One of those FIVE who each have been under some pressure so far today (perhaps excluding Yanni)? What a mighty thick limb you went out on there.
While we're on the subject...why do you guarantee one of them are scum if Asian is?
So, he's spot on, right? And yet, you have suspicions of his reasons for being on a wagon.
Breaking it down:
-- You seem to imply that you think Yanni could be scum, trying to get on a presumably town wagon.
-- You think Yanni's analysis and vote for Brinatoo as scum are spot on.
What conclusion do you take away? Which party is scum?
Both?
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Archmage I read just the last page concerning brinatoo. That exchange of posts stuck out. I will read the entire case today or tomorrow.
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Not the content, the fact that it has no explanations, just opinions. That doesn't bother you at all?
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This sums up my suspicions against Yanni perfectly; his posts are thick with doublespeak, to the point where figuring out what he actually believes (or is trying to make us believe) next to impossible. Also, notably, he never responded to this accusation.
I'm glad someone else caught on to how ridiculous Archmage Eternal's post was, especially considering that there are 21 players in the game, which means between 4-6 scum (barring shenanigans).
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He has a habit of posting these lists early on and includes one or two of his buddies.
Thats what has me wavering.
He has no analysis. He's spot on in regards to my responses and Brinatoos. I'm bias here as I believe in my reads and Yanni could just be blatanly barning and never looked at the posts.
I think Yanni is scum. I haven't gotten anything from Brinatoo that tells me he is not.
Heres another scum trait. Belittling, discrediting.
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Where I responded to Wessel's accusation?
Bull****. Read the thread please.
If you're talking about yoru accusations, also bull**** because I responded to you as well.
Asian Invasion's post here, at least reguarding me, is a blatant lie.
Archmage I obviously read part of the case if I posted about it.
I have the intent to read niv's post and the rest of yours when I have more time.
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Upon review:
I missed this because it was at the end of a /barn post that needlessly quoted walls of text from Archmage Eternal addressing Brinatoo's scumminess.
That said, it's not exactly much of a defense. "Sorry bro, I confuse smearing and scum-hunting all the time." Null at best.
Even if we ignore this issue, the blatant /barning you do, including joining the Burstinatrix wagon, jumping off the same, toeing the line on the DRey wagon, and joining the Brinatoo wagon, make me think that you are doing no genuine analysis of your own. Not your town play by a mile.
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So now your jumping on a new point and leaving behind the "double speak"
This isn't the first time you've done this.
You asked me to explain my vote on Drey and I did, then you left that point for the Double Speak one.
AI is looking for anything that sticks.
List of things AI has tried to use against me.
1. Weak vote on Drey
2. Double Speak
3. Wagon Hopping
4. Weak Meta Case
All lack explinations.
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LOL
The connection was illogical. The construction was scummy. One of these two we are very concerned about, the other far less so.
Cause he's way to eager to be convinced.
Vote now, ask questions later.
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