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No, now you're twisting BOTH of our words. I said DRey is town. I didn't say DRey is town because he said scum don't have Daytalk. DRey is town for other reasons. You asked me why I said DRey is town based on his statement that scum don't have Daytalk. I said that's not why I said he's town. And now you're saying I'm lying. Keep reaching, doll.
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If Arnnaria's ability is true, then pinkys brain will surely die at the end of the Day.
No OMGUS means I have no reason.
I think you are scum using weak reasoning to try and sway a lynch. Then when you realize OMG PB will not die you back track saying you may be wrong when
(1) you never ever admit to being wrong that I have ever seen (2) you never ever say your wrong.
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No, now you're twisting BOTH of our words. I said DRey is town. I didn't say DRey is town because he said scum don't have Daytalk. DRey is town for other reasons. You asked me why I said DRey is town based on his statement that scum don't have Daytalk. I said that's not why I said he's town. And now you're saying I'm lying. Keep reaching, doll.
Why would you call Drey town when he claims that scum have day talk?
If you can't answer that then your side stepping the question.
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So Iso and Pinky are having a catfight again...oh joy. While you're at it, I don't suppose you could provide us with your current reads on all the active players?
I answer this awhile ago.
Except that i'm not sure about Iso moved up to scum category.
He called Drey town even though Drey states that scum has daytalk and did not ask him about that.
How would anyone call Drey town based on that comment?
I don't care if he said the sky was blue and told me I was a sweetheart. Making a statement that scum would know should not be seen as town.
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I think you are scum using weak reasoning to try and sway a lynch. Then when you realize OMG PB will not die you back track saying you may be wrong when
(1) you never ever admit to being wrong that I have ever seen (2) you never ever say your wrong.
Then you need to read up on some of my games, dear. I don't need to sway a lynch if you just got killed.
AND YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN TOTALLY MISREPPING WHAT I SAID ABOUT DREY. I JUST said that's NOT why I called DRey town. You are twisting. My. Words.
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Then you need to read up on some of my games, dear. I don't need to sway a lynch if you just got killed.
AND YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN TOTALLY MISREPPING WHAT I SAID ABOUT DREY. I JUST said that's NOT why I called DRey town. You are twisting. My. Words.
Stop avoiding my question Iso.
Why do you have a town read on Drey?
How can you have a town read on someone that claims to know that scum has not day chat?
I'm asking you for an answer you have not given to me.
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I have reason's your just ignoring the reasons.
Also you said you might be wrong about me. When was the last time as town you admited to being wrong iso?
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@Bolly: Why did you vote chicken? What's your thoughts on Drey?
Do you think Iso calling Drey town makes sense?
Did you check to see before voting a lurker if those players had posted at MTGS since the game started?
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Stop avoiding my question Iso.
Why do you have a town read on Drey?
I have played enough games with DRey with him as both alignments to know town DRey from scum DRey - I've been wrong about him once in any completed game I've been in with him. That is a town DRey post and he picked up on you being scum - which is exactly what I did, too. He also let off a breadcrumb - town DRey breadcrumbs. He did not blindly accuse me of being scum like he does whenever I do something that he typically considers anti-town because is becoming used to my playstyle. He asked you a good question regarding completed games. DRey is town.
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How can you have a town read on someone that claims to know that scum has not day chat?
Which...has nothing to do with my town read on him.
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I'm asking you for an answer you have not given to me.
No, you've only been asking me loaded, leading questions. If you want to get a straight answer out of me, you have to ask the RIGHT questions. Why is it okay for you to dodge questions but not me?
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1) How active of a player are you?
2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?
4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?
1. Depends on how I feel.
2. Clue for Town. Kaizers for Scum.
3. Sometimes.
4. Weak town to wait and see.
Nothing has really set off my scumdar yet, so I'm in wait and see mode. Enjoy.
As for Iso calling him as Town...that's daring with him having so few posts, but I've never played with the guy. If Iso has, then he may recognise his Town play...it's not something I'd vote purely on, but we'll see what happens.
I've played in 4 and a half completed games with DRey (I say half because I replaced into the same game after getting killed in it) and read at least 3 other games with him in it and I maintain that the only completed game I've ever read him wrong in was Kitteh Trek.
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I have played enough games with DRey with him as both alignments to know town DRey from scum DRey - I've been wrong about him once in any completed game I've been in with him. That is a town DRey post and he picked up on you being scum - which is exactly what I did, too. He also let off a breadcrumb - town DRey breadcrumbs. He did not blindly accuse me of being scum like he does whenever I do something that he typically considers anti-town because is becoming used to my playstyle. He asked you a good question regarding completed games. DRey is town.
soooooooo lucky I can't mention certain things
He asked one question and didn't say much of anything. I also noticed your so called "scum read" didn't come till Drey said something.
Fasinating.
Which...has nothing to do with my town read on him.
So you ignored his comment?
Why?
No, you've only been asking me loaded, leading questions. If you want to get a straight answer out of me, you have to ask the RIGHT questions. Why is it okay for you to dodge questions but not me? :
The question was pretty clear. You kept trying to avoid an answer. You cared more about not being accused of your read being based on Drey's comment about Scum not having day talk that you kept on calling it a misinterpretation. You knew I was asking you about your town read on Drey. Why did you avoid answering?
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No, you've only been asking me loaded, leading questions. If you want to get a straight answer out of me, you have to ask the RIGHT questions. Why is it okay for you to dodge questions but not me?
You asked me a load question how many times the same way and you want to call it town? You reminded me once of those questions, which I answered.
You ignore that Drey makes a statement that scum have no day talk and immediate call it a breadcrumb instead of scum?
You think those are not questionable acts?
Your scum or high as a kite if you really think those actions are not questionable if not scummy.
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He asked one question and didn't say much of anything. I also noticed your so called "scum read" didn't come till Drey said something.
Fasinating.
I have proof that it did.
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So you ignored his comment?
Why?
Because I have no idea where he got the idea that scum don't have Daytalk and I don't know if he's correct or not.
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The question was pretty clear. You kept trying to avoid an answer. You cared more about not being accused of your read being based on Drey's comment about Scum not having day talk that you kept on calling it a misinterpretation. You knew I was asking you about your town read on Drey. Why did you avoid answering?
I avoided answering because I wasn't going to be baited into answering a question that would made my answer misleading as to what I believe. I care about not being misrepresented. Notice how I answered your question as soon as you got the question straight? Yeah. Your accusation holds no merit if I didn't have a legitimate reason but I had an answer for as soon as we established that my town read on DRey had nothing to do with his statement regarding Daytalk.
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Actually I would like to change my Town game to Kitteh Trek, because I was the bee's kness in that game.
As for DRey, I am reading him as town currently. It's still early and it could change, but he hasn't done anything that screams scum, which usually happens pretty fast for him.
You asked me a load question how many times the same way and you want to call it town? You reminded me once of those questions, which I answered.
You answered a question that was NOT the question I asked, and therein lies the difference. I CORRECTED your question so that I could give you a correct answer.
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You ignore that Drey makes a statement that scum have no day talk and immediate call it a breadcrumb instead of scum?
You are reaaaaaally good at misrepresenting what I'm saying. That has nothing to do with DRey's breadcrumb. Stop fishing for information that I think I've found because putting it out there is only benefitting the scum.
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You think those are not questionable acts?
Why would I? I've obviously no contention with performing them.
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I avoided answering because I wasn't going to be baited into answering a question that would made my answer misleading as to what I believe. I care about not being misrepresented. Notice how I answered your question as soon as you got the question straight? Yeah. Your accusation holds no merit if I didn't have a legitimate reason but I had an answer for as soon as we established that my town read on DRey had nothing to do with his statement regarding Daytalk.
So you did know where I was going, but instead of fixing the issue, you chose to say I was misinterpreting you over and over. Which means you were lying about what I was doing.
How is this town action?
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So you did know where I was going, but instead of fixing the issue, you chose to say I was misinterpreting you over and over. Which means you were lying about what I was doing.
How is this town action?
I did fix the issue.
Get your **** straight and stop clogging up the thread with your smearing so people like Chickenfish can catch up.
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Hey Arnnaria, if pinky is town, will it be announced to us that nothing happens to her?
Okay, I'm not 100% sure, but I know if she is scum she will be killed. I'm not certain on what happens if she isn't, but I'm pretty sure there will be no confirmation of her alignment.
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I don't like millers...I don't like so much about whats happening in this game! I think this is my first post, but I'm going to read all of this stuff...how did we get out of RVS so fast? Will I never get to experience it?
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Exactly. I have a feeling you are expecting something profound from me. But as to that I am a man of simple intentions who follows his instinct more than his mind. So as to my words, my fault with them are not thought, but the way I speak. Yet through any mental note I will speak the same.
Excellent. Now that we've got that out of the way, let's get down to the nitty-gritty.
Obviously, my issue with that post of your was that it's your only stance so far and you stick a great big, state-the-obvious disclaimer in the middle of it. I ask you about it and get treated to a non-answer (if you didn't catch my meaning first time around, I was poking fun at it).
Then we look at your previous post, 171. There's lots happening in the thread at that stage, but you only choose to respond to pinky's questions (why?) and show some ambivalence towards scumhunting. Aren't you experienced enough to know how to question people?
I speak like that, whether or not you like it, so I don't see the need to defend my speech patterns. I prefer not to be concrete on anything unless I feel I am concrete and my speech pattern reflects this. If I am not sure or concrete I vocalize it via written text. (I am having too much fun answering these questions :tongue:)
Also I don't really question. My early game is mostly watching players and how they react until I find them doing something scummy enough for me to attack.
As for only Pinky, well she is the only one who has given a question that was directed (via shotgun question) towards me.
Sorry for the lurking guys - got home from a buck's night, started reading on my phone, and fell asleep. I'm up to speed now, but phone posting is a nightmare, so I'll make a proper post in a few hours when I'm at a real computer/I'm less hungover
It's an interesting revelation when you realize that they are. Them (vote, IGMEOY) as well as FoS, etc. are all essentially the same thing - a bolded line indicating suspicion. It's just that one is arbitrarily assigned a game function.
One is a vote for pressure.
The another is a note or comment. How is one that is a pressure (voting) and an IGMEOY or FOS the same?
Why is him "claiming" that the scum have daytalk a concern to you?
Are you not reading?
How would a player that is not mafia know for fact whether scum has day talk or not?
Okay, I'm not 100% sure, but I know if she is scum she will be killed. I'm not certain on what happens if she isn't, but I'm pretty sure there will be no confirmation of her alignment.
Since I'm town I live. How does that not confirm my alignment?
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Get your **** straight and stop clogging up the thread with your smearing so people like Chickenfish can catch up.
You never fixed the issue. You accused me of misrepresentation.
Show where before I asked you the question that you call the right question did you try to fix the issue other then calling me out for misrepresentation.
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That would eliminate the point of everybody following my request mindlessly and using their abilities against me toNight.
All will become clear tomorrow if everyone DOES target me.
Ok, starting my catch up on this beast. Iso, why did you capitalize the "n"s in tonight inthese two posts? If you answered already just point me to the post.
Ok, so after reading a large number of day 1 (real life) posts, here is where i'm at. I'll probably have to break this up b/c I'm phone posting so I apologize in advance.
Pinky- I can understand where her concern regarding his "discovering" that the scum don't have daychat comes from. It seems like a strange comment to me as well as we can't confirm it. I do know, however, thay DRey is experienced enough that he should't make a slip like that, so I assume he has reasoning that he will explain.
In regards to the back and forth between Iso and Pinky, I agree with Ced's assessment that Pinky was frustrated. They both asked multiple questions of each other and got nowhere fast.
The incident for Pinky at the beginning of the game with CED and Bolly appears to just be misinterpretation of each others statements.
With all of that being said , I have Pinky as neutral. She has racked up some scum points and some frustrated town points. I guess we'll find out once Arn's ability finalizes.
The next concern to address so far is Arn's claim of a scum shooter ability. My main concern is that if Arn doesn't get any confirmation and Pinky lives we have no way of knowing if Pinky is town or if this is a gambit. I really hope there is confirmation, but either way this will gives us something to analyze day 2.
Lastly, @Guardman - A lot has happened early in this game. Since nothing is jumping out at you as scummy so far, could you give us an idea of who is town in your opinion and why?
Lastly, @Guardman - A lot has happened early in this game. Since nothing is jumping out at you as scummy so far, could you give us an idea of who is town in your opinion and why?
Hmm... not really. No ones jumped out at me as town or scum except for DRey who I am pretty sure is town currently. But other than that I don't have a strong feeling on really anybody. The thread is moving too fast and haphazardly to get good reads, and it is hard to tell because there is too much interference due to the arguments.
Ok, so first things first:
1) How active of a player are you?
In terms of reading: very. I rarely stay away for so long that I have to read lots to catch up.
In terms of posting: not nearly as active as I'd like. I recently started a second job so I work 12 hours a day. I often will get home at night and be willing to make 1 or 2 posts on things that have happened, but rarely am able to have quick discussion in a short time period. The exception is when my day job is slow so I can come on here... so hopefully that's the case over the coming weeks!
2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
Unfortunately I haven't finished any games here. I used to play about 2 or 3 years ago on another forum, but I don't think they'd have the games in their archives. I also only played very basic setups, so I'm new to strategising around large numbers of power roles...
3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?
Definitely, because RVS leads to that transition period between RVS and actual hunting, and a lot comes out in that period. (maybe not initially, but it's always an information-rich period of posting to look back on in future days).
4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?
In general, null. In the specific case of ced, I'm inclined to believe it. More on this below.
The things that have stood out to me so far:
"DRey": Iso v pinky - I'm inclined to believe DRey is town, and made the initial 'scum have no day chat' comment to see if any scum would slip. Naturally, he was questioned (by pinky) on how he knew this, and Iso immediately jumped on this as though it was a confession from pinky. I would understand Iso's logic as town thinking scum had slipped, but it very quickly became evident that pinky had no inside knowledge, and wasn't even aware for the first few times Iso asked that this was Iso's implication.
Furthermore, Iso's post 90 implies that he was going to stop asking questions because he hadn't gained anything from them, but the conversation has kept going until this stage. I share pinky's frustration that Iso has been dodging the question about the town read on DRey, and also the frustration at him being unhelpful until pinky asked 'the right question' instead of just clearing the air. @Iso: while you've apparently picked up on some towny stuff from DRey, why were you happy to just ignore a huge piece of information. If you weren't ignoring it, why didn't you just answer pinky's question?
Having said all that, however, it seems to be taken as fact around here that Iso is mad with his strategies. Given that I think I've picked up on a few things from Iso that I can't really explain from the point of view of him being scum, I'm happy to just make it an FoS: Iso for now.
ced's miller claim - I'm happy to just flat out believe this one. In a Mean Girls themed gamed, it would make a lot of sense to have a miller role (Caddie is actually good but appears bad, a 'loser' character nobody likes but is actually good, Regina coming around to being nice but being seen as plastic, etc...). Unless ced is scum and was told there wasn't an actual miller in the game, it seems like a huge risk for scum to hope they don't get CCed by an actual miller, especially seeing as ced's post was one of the earliest. It doesn't mean we should just shut off behavioural analysis, but I'm more than happy to believe it for now. I realise my logic is probably pretty close to flavour gaming, but I'm sticking with it anyway.
Bolly - I'm not sure I'm liking Bolly at the moment. It seems a bit OMGUS, but after a fair few posts with little content, Bolly coming out with this pinged me
Right, I have no choice but to Unvote; Vote: Chickenfish. He was just lurking here BIG TIME and he didn't post. I have no idea if he's scummy or not due to lack of posts but he needs to know that lurking is bad.
If you're trying to pressure vote a lurker, telling them that's exactly what you're doing doesn't prove anything. You can say "Hey Chickenfish! Stop lurking, it's bad and you need to post!" You can even FoS if you think it's that scummy. However, given that by then the game was way out of RVS, using your vote for that reason is just very watery logic. FoS: Bolly
arimnaes - my prime suspect at the moment. There are some inconsistencies in his (I think 'his'?) posts. Starting out with this:
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In any case, I doubt my miller-ness will matter much this game.
What is your basis for making this statement?
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This game is pretty complicated and requires great coordination for mafia
Mafia doesn't have daytalk
How exactly did you "discover" these little tidbits?
It seems obvious to me that if either player had solid justification for their comments, they'd have to reveal more about their roles, so that's basically what arimnaes is asking them to do.
However, he then goes on to post this:
The town gains nothing by speculating on Iso's role at this point, so please don't do so. Encouraging speculation about roles often leads players to inadvertently reveal information about their own.
Generally speaking, when a player claims to have a clever plan and makes a request of the town, you give that player the benefit of the doubt unless they're already considered extremely likely to be scum. If everyone agrees to cooperate with their plan, the burden falls on them to eventually justify it.
If he wants everyone to target him, it really needs to be an all or nothing thing, though. We either decide to go along with the plan or we don't. If there's any doubt or confusion, and we end up with several players targeting him and the rest not bothering, the whole thing is likely to go to waste. If he's town, it will likely mess up whatever he's planning, nullifying whatever we might have gained by tying down our abilities, and if he's scum trying to mess with us, he can just say "Oh, well, it didn't work because not enough people targeted me" and it will be difficult to hold him accountable.
So clearly he's aware that trying to discern things about players' roles is bad for the town, despite doing some fishing himself earlier.
On top of that, a lot of things he says seem to be very obvious 'these things are good for the town, these things are bad for the town' style comments. Maybe just attempting to provide content, but a lot of it is 'protown advice' that everyone is probably aware of anyway. Unnecessary for town to say, good way for scum to appear towny because the actual content of the posts can't be refuted. Vote: arimnaes
Sorry for the giant post - hopefully I stay on top of things now and it won't need to happen again!
You never fixed the issue. You accused me of misrepresentation.
Show where before I asked you the question that you call the right question did you try to fix the issue other then calling me out for misrepresentation.
Ok, starting my catch up on this beast. Iso, why did you capitalize the "n"s in tonight inthese two posts? If you answered already just point me to the post.
Because there is a difference between tonight and toNight. Night, capitalized, is the game phase, and night, lowercase, refers to the tail-end of a 24-hour period. I like to differentiate so that people understand me better.
Furthermore, Iso's post 90 implies that he was going to stop asking questions because he hadn't gained anything from them, but the conversation has kept going until this stage.
There were no implications other than what I have directly stated - I was not going to stop questioning pinky, I was only going to stop that line of questioning.
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@Iso: while you've apparently picked up on some towny stuff from DRey, why were you happy to just ignore a huge piece of information. If you weren't ignoring it, why didn't you just answer pinky's question?
Which huge piece of information? Less pronouns, please. I don't understand what you're asking me.
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Given that I think I've picked up on a few things from Iso that I can't really explain from the point of view of him being scum, I'm happy to just make it an FoS: Iso for now.
You're going to have to break this down for me. Firstly, what are these things and why do they not make sense if I'm scum? Secondly, if this is true, why does that merit any suspicion from you at all?
Also, I'm not sure what you're getting at with arimnaes - how does DRey deciding that the scum do not have Daytalk have anything to do with his own ability, and why do you think arimnaes thought that and was fishing for that information?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
But what you do is state the obvious - reads do change. Why couldn't you have used that as an explanation if/when your read on DRey changes, or to defend why your read on DRey changed at a later stage?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So you only get to ask loaded question?
Is that scummy to you?
Why is Drey town in your view with his claim then?
You better believe it baby!
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Yes. And because I've learned that almost nothing is definite in Mafia, despite how good my reads have been known to be.
But that raises a good question.
Hey Arnnaria, if pinky is town, will it be announced to us that nothing happens to her?
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You with your ego!
I seriously doubt this. All I need to do is remember Cyan Mafia to know there is no truth to that statement
Calling Iso/Drey scum.
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Um. Lemme get back to you on that one.
Are you asking me if I'm scummy? Hell no.
hey I'm gonna pull a pinkys_brain
THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAfjsklfdfsdsfsfhlskdfj
Classic OMGUS.
If Arnnaria's ability is true, then pinkys brain will surely die at the end of the Day.
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Yes you did.
LYAL!!!!
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Hahaha. Okay, I must've missed this. I honestly don't know; didn't ask during pre-game.
No, now you're twisting BOTH of our words. I said DRey is town. I didn't say DRey is town because he said scum don't have Daytalk. DRey is town for other reasons. You asked me why I said DRey is town based on his statement that scum don't have Daytalk. I said that's not why I said he's town. And now you're saying I'm lying. Keep reaching, doll.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No OMGUS means I have no reason.
I think you are scum using weak reasoning to try and sway a lynch. Then when you realize OMG PB will not die you back track saying you may be wrong when
(1) you never ever admit to being wrong that I have ever seen (2) you never ever say your wrong.
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I'd reaaally like him to answer this so that we know it's not a scum gambit.
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Why would you call Drey town when he claims that scum have day talk?
If you can't answer that then your side stepping the question.
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I will answer that when I find out.
I answer this awhile ago.
Except that i'm not sure about Iso moved up to scum category.
He called Drey town even though Drey states that scum has daytalk and did not ask him about that.
How would anyone call Drey town based on that comment?
I don't care if he said the sky was blue and told me I was a sweetheart. Making a statement that scum would know should not be seen as town.
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We have a winner!
Then you need to read up on some of my games, dear. I don't need to sway a lynch if you just got killed.
AND YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN TOTALLY MISREPPING WHAT I SAID ABOUT DREY. I JUST said that's NOT why I called DRey town. You are twisting. My. Words.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Stop avoiding my question Iso.
Why do you have a town read on Drey?
How can you have a town read on someone that claims to know that scum has not day chat?
I'm asking you for an answer you have not given to me.
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I have reason's your just ignoring the reasons.
Also you said you might be wrong about me. When was the last time as town you admited to being wrong iso?
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Do you think Iso calling Drey town makes sense?
Did you check to see before voting a lurker if those players had posted at MTGS since the game started?
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I have played enough games with DRey with him as both alignments to know town DRey from scum DRey - I've been wrong about him once in any completed game I've been in with him. That is a town DRey post and he picked up on you being scum - which is exactly what I did, too. He also let off a breadcrumb - town DRey breadcrumbs. He did not blindly accuse me of being scum like he does whenever I do something that he typically considers anti-town because is becoming used to my playstyle. He asked you a good question regarding completed games. DRey is town.
Which...has nothing to do with my town read on him.
No, you've only been asking me loaded, leading questions. If you want to get a straight answer out of me, you have to ask the RIGHT questions. Why is it okay for you to dodge questions but not me?
Rofl @ Bolly.
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1. Depends on how I feel.
2. Clue for Town. Kaizers for Scum.
3. Sometimes.
4. Weak town to wait and see.
Nothing has really set off my scumdar yet, so I'm in wait and see mode. Enjoy.
I've played in 4 and a half completed games with DRey (I say half because I replaced into the same game after getting killed in it) and read at least 3 other games with him in it and I maintain that the only completed game I've ever read him wrong in was Kitteh Trek.
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soooooooo lucky I can't mention certain things
He asked one question and didn't say much of anything. I also noticed your so called "scum read" didn't come till Drey said something.
Fasinating.
So you ignored his comment?
Why?
The question was pretty clear. You kept trying to avoid an answer. You cared more about not being accused of your read being based on Drey's comment about Scum not having day talk that you kept on calling it a misinterpretation. You knew I was asking you about your town read on Drey. Why did you avoid answering?
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You asked me a load question how many times the same way and you want to call it town? You reminded me once of those questions, which I answered.
You ignore that Drey makes a statement that scum have no day talk and immediate call it a breadcrumb instead of scum?
You think those are not questionable acts?
Your scum or high as a kite if you really think those actions are not questionable if not scummy.
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We can discuss it later.
I have proof that it did.
Because I have no idea where he got the idea that scum don't have Daytalk and I don't know if he's correct or not.
I avoided answering because I wasn't going to be baited into answering a question that would made my answer misleading as to what I believe. I care about not being misrepresented. Notice how I answered your question as soon as you got the question straight? Yeah. Your accusation holds no merit if I didn't have a legitimate reason but I had an answer for as soon as we established that my town read on DRey had nothing to do with his statement regarding Daytalk.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
As for DRey, I am reading him as town currently. It's still early and it could change, but he hasn't done anything that screams scum, which usually happens pretty fast for him.
You answered a question that was NOT the question I asked, and therein lies the difference. I CORRECTED your question so that I could give you a correct answer.
You are reaaaaaally good at misrepresenting what I'm saying. That has nothing to do with DRey's breadcrumb. Stop fishing for information that I think I've found because putting it out there is only benefitting the scum.
Why would I? I've obviously no contention with performing them.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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So you did know where I was going, but instead of fixing the issue, you chose to say I was misinterpreting you over and over. Which means you were lying about what I was doing.
How is this town action?
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I did fix the issue.
Get your **** straight and stop clogging up the thread with your smearing so people like Chickenfish can catch up.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay, I'm not 100% sure, but I know if she is scum she will be killed. I'm not certain on what happens if she isn't, but I'm pretty sure there will be no confirmation of her alignment.
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Yeah, I'm not happy with that either, but I suppose it's better than a Vig blindly shooting and his target flipping Town.
Yeah I am more proud of how I played in Kitteh Trek. Plus I think it is a more enjoyable read.
Because I wanted to.
Exactly. I have a feeling you are expecting something profound from me. But as to that I am a man of simple intentions who follows his instinct more than his mind. So as to my words, my fault with them are not thought, but the way I speak. Yet through any mental note I will speak the same.
I speak like that, whether or not you like it, so I don't see the need to defend my speech patterns. I prefer not to be concrete on anything unless I feel I am concrete and my speech pattern reflects this. If I am not sure or concrete I vocalize it via written text. (I am having too much fun answering these questions :tongue:)
Also I don't really question. My early game is mostly watching players and how they react until I find them doing something scummy enough for me to attack.
As for only Pinky, well she is the only one who has given a question that was directed (via shotgun question) towards me.
One is a vote for pressure.
The another is a note or comment. How is one that is a pressure (voting) and an IGMEOY or FOS the same?
Are you not reading?
How would a player that is not mafia know for fact whether scum has day talk or not?
Since I'm town I live. How does that not confirm my alignment?
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You never fixed the issue. You accused me of misrepresentation.
Show where before I asked you the question that you call the right question did you try to fix the issue other then calling me out for misrepresentation.
Ooooohh look the know spammer is getting testy now.
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Ok, starting my catch up on this beast. Iso, why did you capitalize the "n"s in tonight inthese two posts? If you answered already just point me to the post.
Pinky- I can understand where her concern regarding his "discovering" that the scum don't have daychat comes from. It seems like a strange comment to me as well as we can't confirm it. I do know, however, thay DRey is experienced enough that he should't make a slip like that, so I assume he has reasoning that he will explain.
In regards to the back and forth between Iso and Pinky, I agree with Ced's assessment that Pinky was frustrated. They both asked multiple questions of each other and got nowhere fast.
The incident for Pinky at the beginning of the game with CED and Bolly appears to just be misinterpretation of each others statements.
With all of that being said , I have Pinky as neutral. She has racked up some scum points and some frustrated town points. I guess we'll find out once Arn's ability finalizes.
Lastly, @Guardman - A lot has happened early in this game. Since nothing is jumping out at you as scummy so far, could you give us an idea of who is town in your opinion and why?
Hmm... not really. No ones jumped out at me as town or scum except for DRey who I am pretty sure is town currently. But other than that I don't have a strong feeling on really anybody. The thread is moving too fast and haphazardly to get good reads, and it is hard to tell because there is too much interference due to the arguments.
1) How active of a player are you?
In terms of reading: very. I rarely stay away for so long that I have to read lots to catch up.
In terms of posting: not nearly as active as I'd like. I recently started a second job so I work 12 hours a day. I often will get home at night and be willing to make 1 or 2 posts on things that have happened, but rarely am able to have quick discussion in a short time period. The exception is when my day job is slow so I can come on here... so hopefully that's the case over the coming weeks!
2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
Unfortunately I haven't finished any games here. I used to play about 2 or 3 years ago on another forum, but I don't think they'd have the games in their archives. I also only played very basic setups, so I'm new to strategising around large numbers of power roles...
3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?
Definitely, because RVS leads to that transition period between RVS and actual hunting, and a lot comes out in that period. (maybe not initially, but it's always an information-rich period of posting to look back on in future days).
4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?
In general, null. In the specific case of ced, I'm inclined to believe it. More on this below.
The things that have stood out to me so far:
"DRey": Iso v pinky - I'm inclined to believe DRey is town, and made the initial 'scum have no day chat' comment to see if any scum would slip. Naturally, he was questioned (by pinky) on how he knew this, and Iso immediately jumped on this as though it was a confession from pinky. I would understand Iso's logic as town thinking scum had slipped, but it very quickly became evident that pinky had no inside knowledge, and wasn't even aware for the first few times Iso asked that this was Iso's implication.
Furthermore, Iso's post 90 implies that he was going to stop asking questions because he hadn't gained anything from them, but the conversation has kept going until this stage. I share pinky's frustration that Iso has been dodging the question about the town read on DRey, and also the frustration at him being unhelpful until pinky asked 'the right question' instead of just clearing the air.
@Iso: while you've apparently picked up on some towny stuff from DRey, why were you happy to just ignore a huge piece of information. If you weren't ignoring it, why didn't you just answer pinky's question?
Having said all that, however, it seems to be taken as fact around here that Iso is mad with his strategies. Given that I think I've picked up on a few things from Iso that I can't really explain from the point of view of him being scum, I'm happy to just make it an FoS: Iso for now.
ced's miller claim - I'm happy to just flat out believe this one. In a Mean Girls themed gamed, it would make a lot of sense to have a miller role (Caddie is actually good but appears bad, a 'loser' character nobody likes but is actually good, Regina coming around to being nice but being seen as plastic, etc...). Unless ced is scum and was told there wasn't an actual miller in the game, it seems like a huge risk for scum to hope they don't get CCed by an actual miller, especially seeing as ced's post was one of the earliest. It doesn't mean we should just shut off behavioural analysis, but I'm more than happy to believe it for now. I realise my logic is probably pretty close to flavour gaming, but I'm sticking with it anyway.
Bolly - I'm not sure I'm liking Bolly at the moment. It seems a bit OMGUS, but after a fair few posts with little content, Bolly coming out with this pinged me If you're trying to pressure vote a lurker, telling them that's exactly what you're doing doesn't prove anything. You can say "Hey Chickenfish! Stop lurking, it's bad and you need to post!" You can even FoS if you think it's that scummy. However, given that by then the game was way out of RVS, using your vote for that reason is just very watery logic.
FoS: Bolly
arimnaes - my prime suspect at the moment. There are some inconsistencies in his (I think 'his'?) posts. Starting out with this:
It seems obvious to me that if either player had solid justification for their comments, they'd have to reveal more about their roles, so that's basically what arimnaes is asking them to do.
However, he then goes on to post this: So clearly he's aware that trying to discern things about players' roles is bad for the town, despite doing some fishing himself earlier.
On top of that, a lot of things he says seem to be very obvious 'these things are good for the town, these things are bad for the town' style comments. Maybe just attempting to provide content, but a lot of it is 'protown advice' that everyone is probably aware of anyway. Unnecessary for town to say, good way for scum to appear towny because the actual content of the posts can't be refuted.
Vote: arimnaes
Sorry for the giant post - hopefully I stay on top of things now and it won't need to happen again!
Because there is a difference between tonight and toNight. Night, capitalized, is the game phase, and night, lowercase, refers to the tail-end of a 24-hour period. I like to differentiate so that people understand me better.
There were no implications other than what I have directly stated - I was not going to stop questioning pinky, I was only going to stop that line of questioning.
Which huge piece of information? Less pronouns, please. I don't understand what you're asking me.
You're going to have to break this down for me. Firstly, what are these things and why do they not make sense if I'm scum? Secondly, if this is true, why does that merit any suspicion from you at all?
Also, I'm not sure what you're getting at with arimnaes - how does DRey deciding that the scum do not have Daytalk have anything to do with his own ability, and why do you think arimnaes thought that and was fishing for that information?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Guardman Fact #1: I once caught DRey from his first post in a game.
So it is bad to state the obvious?
I suggest Ged's Normal, Clue, Final Fantasy, or Kitteh Trek. Those are all fun reads that show how awesome I am.
Also, yes, DRey is usually really damn easy to catch as scum.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Not really. I've played in so many games with DRey that catching him is second nature to me. Same with Seppel.
The rest of you though, I haven't played with enough.