MTG Salvation

The setting is the fabulous North Shore High School. Some of you will dread this school year while others will revel in your popularity and lack of responsibility. At North Shore the Plastics are teen royalty and people have killed to join their ranks. The rest of the student population outnumbers them 100 to 1 but somehow they have a stranglehold on all the power and all the popularity. Who was plastic last year may not be plastic anymore so be wary, your friends may be more plastic than you think! In this game, the battle between Real World and Girl World is a matter of life and death. Do you have what it takes to survive high school?

The basic rules of mafia apply.

Voting - Bold your votes and unvotes or I won't see them. (I may see them but I won't SEE them) It requires a majority of living players to make a decision (lynching, no lynching) If y'all don't play fast enough I'll issue a deadline and at the end of that line someone will be dead.

Flavor gaming My death scenes have been pre-written so don't read into the flavor It's a bad idea to flavor game anyway. You will get pregnant. And die. So just don't do it. Ok? Now, everybody take some rubbers.

Role PM Don't quote your role PM or you'll get dead. In fact it might be a good idea to run anything you plan on saying regarding your role by me before you blurt something out that makes me put you in the burn book.

Pink On Wednesdays we wear pink!

Don't be a jerk Also, the normal guidelines for forum behavior still apply in here. Don't be mean or you'll get moderated son! You can go shave your back now.

You guys need anything? Condoms? Ah you keep me young. If you have any questions please ask me via PM. Don't ask someone else unless you think I'm doing something wrong. In that case ask me and one of the mafia supermods gods thingies.

Know how to play mafia I'm not going huge into the rules of mafia, y'all know how to play by now. You know you're not supposed to talk about the game outside of the game or to any other player inside the game about the game unless your role PM says you can. Say game again....Game.

I'll send out the Role PMs soon and then y'all confirm you got them with me via PM and ask your questions if you have them (you're welcome to ask questions any and all times but I encourage you to read your roles thoroughly and ask questions regarding them in this time before the game starts). I'll open the game Monday at some point.

Please stay active. If i have to prod you too much I'll replace you out. (And if you're hot I'll prod you some more)

Alive and kicking:

1. pinkfloyd chickenfish
6. arimnaes

The Burn Book:

2. Miracule Audinho
5. ced395

11. EronTheRelentless
10. pinkys_brain
7. Drey
12. Bolly
9. Guardman
8. Iso
3. Void Arnnaria
4. MzztrTetris

Please do not post in this thread until the game starts. Please confirm with me via PM once you get your role. once all players have PM'd me with confirmation the game will begin.

Replacements:

Mephit
Void
Brinatoo
Audinho

Role PMs have been sent out. Please wait until I start the game on Saturday to post in this thread. Feel free to ask me any questions you have in the meanwhile via PM.

The game has begun. You may now start posting

Hi.

Vote Arimnaes for playing in a game with me for the first time ever. :3

Yay!

Vote: Pinky for trying to take over the world.

My PM died... I is sad...

Vote: Iso
I want my pink shirt back!

Quote from Bolly

woo, I'm finally in a game again! Vote: Iso for all the republican gimmicks in Basic #61's sign up thread.

Surprisingly I am not against this line of thinking. Carry on.

Unvote, Vote Chickenfish

We only wear pink on Wednesdays, loser!

What's the flavor explanation for your Millerism, ced?

/confirm

And you can only wear your hair in a ponytail once per week...so I guess this is your day.

Arnnaria, you already confirmed to blue, did you not? Why did you feel the need to double confirm?

Was your rap not a breadcrumb to your rolename?

Quote from Iso

Arnnaria, you already confirmed to blue, did you not? Why did you feel the need to double confirm?

I forgot. I'm just used to confirming at the start of the game. LOL.

So we have a miller claim. I'd be interested on hearing the miller flavor for Kevin G; unless that rap wasn't a breadcrumb to your role.

Quote from Bolly

Can I be newbish and ask what "a breadcrumb" means?

A breadcrumb is when you drop a subtle hint about your alignment / role / character name / any information.

Your rap was a breadcrumb to a character in the movie.

Quote from Arnnaria

A breadcrumb is when you drop a subtle hint about your alignment / role / character name / any information.

Your rap was a breadcrumb to a character in the movie.

Sorry, not your rap...

Ced's Rap.

Got it.

I'll keep my speculation to myself for the time being. No further questions, ced.

That being said, everyone should target me toNight. Including the mafia.

Quote from Bolly

Daykill: Iso

Am I doing it right?

Do you want to vote for Iso or use your ability?

If you want to vote, it would be "vote iso". If you're a vig, then you're doing it right.

No, Bolly, because it's not Night yet.

Quote from Bolly

Dammit dammit dammit dammit!

But seriously, you're not gonna tell us why, are you...? I don't mind either way.

It's a breadcrumb, Bolly. LOL.

That would eliminate the point of everybody following my request mindlessly and using their abilities against me toNight.

All will become clear tomorrow if everyone DOES target me.

Quote from ced395

What do you mean "if you're a vig, you're doing it right."? Are you suggesting that daykilling Iso now = good?

By "right" I mean he's doing it "correctly."

I don't think anyone should be vigged so soon.

IGMEOY, ced.

I think I'm gonna sit back for a little bit and let others post now.

Oh, and one more thing.

Unvote

Oh gooodddy it's RVS time or as I like to call it Reducing Voting Standards

Quote from ced »

By the same logic, there's no easy way to "confirm" a vanilla townie claim, seeing as you hardly want to wait the night for a cop investigation before proceeding. Reads on players work the same as they always do.
In any case, I doubt my miller-ness will matter much this game.

Where did you come to the conclusion that Bolly was not going to wait and see?
He was talking about a past game and we both know a VT can be cleared *typically* by a cop investigation, where a miller typically shows up as guilty.

*typically* baring any bastard mod that puts in a insane cop that does not tell the person they are insane.


Hate RVS so I will go right into questions instead.


1) How active of a player are you?
2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).
3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?
4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?


My answers:
1) I post at least once a day (weekends are the only time there is an exception to this rule). I would say fairly active but not spammy.
2) Cyan mafia - mafia self watcher - won end game

">Flame Warriors - Killed night 2 (cop) - lost
3) I go off of odd things. I have seen people do things that look strange during RVS and sometimes RVS with no info and just adding nothing to the game.
4) I used to think miller claims were town till I saw scum do it one day. Now I wait and see how the player behaves in the game before I determine anything.

1) How active of a player are you?

I'm very active during a game. Except if it's during school or when I'm asleep. But, I'm an internet junkie so during the daytime I'm almost always on.

2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).

Town: Pulp Fiction - http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=365380&highlight=pulp+fiction

I've never played scum, but I've played Serial Killer: Star Trek Myriad Universes - http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=348320&highlight=star+trek

3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?

Not until the very end.

4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?

Null tell.

Quote from pinkys_brain

1) How active of a player are you?

Not at all. You have to twist my arm to get me to avoid prods.

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2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).

My sig contains a link to all of my completed games. *Opens arms* I recommend Starcraft Mafia for scum (as it's my most recently completed scum game) and Osteria Mafia for town (as it's a recently finished town game where I feel I did my standard bat**** insane Iso stuff and played fairly well in conjunction to that).

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3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?

Yep.

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4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?

All of the above!

Quote from ced395

But, on a serious note, why?

Here are my answers. I guess we're pretty much done with RVS so Unvote Pinky

Quote from pinkys_brain

1) How active of a player are you

I think I'm fairly active and unless I'm V/LA I usually post at least once a day.

Quote from Pinky »

2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).

I really new and don't have any completed games yet.

Quote from Pinky »

3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?

Nothing you can use day 1 but there seems like there is usually something there in later days to look back on once a death has happened.

Quote from Pinky »

4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?

I'm not sure... In fact I'm going to go look up what a miller does right now.

Quote from ced »

Vanilla townies can be clear by investigation, yeh. On the other hand, if you're suspicious of somebody and they claim vanilla, you usually just lynch them rather than finding somebody else to lynch then waiting the night in the hope that the cop has a result.

mmmm I think that's a bit of a stretch.
1) Bolly didn't vote for you
2) suspicion is one thing, believing someone is scum for actions is another.

I'm still not seeing how you conclude that Bolly is looking to lynch you right now based on your claim.

IGMEOY, ced.

Yeah, I don't plan to elaborate just yet. You'll get your turn, ced.

IThanks Ced.

I found this link for anyone else that is new:
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Miller

Based on this I think a miller claim is null early in the game. It seems like there really isn't a way to prove it.

Yeah, I don't think you understand.

You can wait.

In addition, I'm TRYING not to rack up my post count in this game, but you're making it very difficult for me to not do that.

In the meantime, try not to be so anti-town by prompting me to do something when it's not time for me to do something yet.

Thanks.

@Ced: I got the impression from your comment here:

Quote from ced395

By the same logic, there's no easy way to "confirm" a vanilla townie claim, seeing as you hardly want to wait the night for a cop investigation before proceeding. Reads on players work the same as they always do.
In any case, I doubt my miller-ness will matter much this game.

It sounded like you were saying Bolly wanted to lynch you based on your claim.
I also asked you in my question you quoted about where you came to the conclusion that Bolly was not going to wait and see.

hell yeah, RVS is dead, you guys are good.

Things I "discovered" and are probably true:
Bolly is very,very probably town
This game is pretty complicated and requires great coordination for mafia
Mafia doesn't have daytalk
I suspect Pinky is scum

unvote, vote Pinky

Quote from ced395

By the same logic, there's no easy way to "confirm" a vanilla townie claim, seeing as you hardly want to wait the night for a cop investigation before proceeding. Reads on players work the same as they always do.
In any case, I doubt my miller-ness will matter much this game.

I think I know the answer to this, but I don't want to make assumptions so please expand.

Quote from Iso

That being said, everyone should target me toNight. Including the mafia.

Let's consider for a moment you are town, in this case town targeting you will surely benefit town for unknown reasons. But why would mafia agree with your plan? I mean, it's not like you could have their best interests in mind and they know it. So what you just did was a favor to them, because they now know they shouldn't use their powers on you.

So I ask, why Iso? (I'm not fishing, I don't want to know your abilities if any, just mafia theory)

Quote from pinkys_brain

2) Cyan mafia - mafia self watcher - won end game

">Flame Warriors - Killed night 2 (cop) - lost

Two questions:
why you only want one and just one example of each? Why did you choose those particular examples?

Quote from EronTheRelentless

Based on this I think a miller claim is null early in the game. It seems like there really isn't a way to prove it.

Yes, there's one. Lynching them.

Good to know DRey is town.

Quote from DRey

Let's consider for a moment you are town, in this case town targeting you will surely benefit town for unknown reasons. But why would mafia agree with your plan? I mean, it's not like you could have their best interests in mind and they know it. So what you just did was a favor to them, because they now know they shouldn't use their powers on you.

So I ask, why Iso? (I'm not fishing, I don't want to know your abilities if any, just mafia theory)

I know you're not fishing.

I'm not sure how to answer this without making my plan ineffective with my answer. Just know that I have a good reason.

What do you think of ced?

My standard warning applies: 80% of the time I will be posting from my iPad. So I can't multiquote or do pbpa unless I'm on my desktop, which is usually in the early morning or in the evening. Instead, I usually post short, concise posts quoting one thing at a time.

Quote from ced395

Except I don't see what's so "anti-town" about it. And I can totally have my own reasons for wanting more from you, you know. For example, I know you're a player who likes to be in control, but I don't like how you seem to prioritize that control over scumhunting (say, the comment at the end of 40 about "sitting back" is quite self-serving).

It's anti-town because it's preventing me from scumhunting as effectively as I'd like. Demanding an answer from me in this scenario throws a wrench in my cogs because of what I'm trying to observe. I am absolutely not prioritizing control over scumhunting - they are analogous in this scenario.

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What is this about you wanting to keep your post count down, though? That's new for you. Is it a personal decision?

Yeah. Too many people *****ing about how frequently I post and how spammy games make it more difficult for the town to win. So, whatever.

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Why do you think pinky is scum?

Probably for the same reasons I do.

Quote from DRey

Mafia doesn't have daytalk

Okay I understand everything but this. If it won't hurt the town, can you explain how you arrived to this conclusion?

Ah, finally the show is on the road. It looks like I finally took a long enough hiatus to restore some of the magic. I was giddy as a schoolgirl waiting for this thing to start, in a way that I haven't been about mafia for a long time.

I suppose I'll answer pinky's questions to start with:

Quote from pinkys_brain »

1) How active of a player are you?

Definitely not a lurker, but no more active than can be reasonably expected from someone with a full time job. I'll probably post a couple times a day on average, more on the weekends.

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2) Please link if able a finished game you were town and scum (one of each is all I ask).

Town - Points Mafia
Scum - Court Mafia (and what a hilarious scum game too!)

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3) Do you think RVS gives you information about players?

Not as a rule, but you do occasionally see a valid lead spring from how someone votes or how they react to a random vote. Or sometimes, the original player who does something odd is town, but an overeager scum jumps on them and exposes himself in the process. It's a worthwhile tradition, in my opinion.

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4) Miller claims, scummy, null or wait and see till later?

"Wait and see" is approximately correct. I don't consider it sound to push for someone's lynch on day 1 solely in response to a miller claim. At the same time, it is definitively not null, as some (including ced, interestingly) have argued. I don't see how a player saying "if investigated, I will turn up scum" can be considered null. It's just not enough to warrant a wagon in absence of any behavioral evidence.

And now a few items on my own agenda:

Quote from ced395 »

In any case, I doubt my miller-ness will matter much this game.

What is your basis for making this statement?

Quote from DRey »

This game is pretty complicated and requires great coordination for mafia
Mafia doesn't have daytalk

How exactly did you "discover" these little tidbits?

Quote from ced395

I have a couple of theories but I shot them down for being weak.

Not so weak when paired with meta.

Now you know why I didn't want to answer you immediately.

Oh right.

Vote pinkys_brain

Quote from Drey »

Two questions:
why you only want one and just one example of each? Why did you choose those particular examples?

People could say just look at my blog. I wanted to see if they picked something or not. Second I looked at my own blog picked the most recent scum game and the one above it and copied and pasted.
Any reason you chose not to answer the questions?

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Mafia doesn't have daytalk

How do you know this?

Quote from ced395

Re: the question: You didn't mention me, though, so it was a bit unclear.

what?
I quoted your comment and asked it to you. So how is it unclear?

*Looks at Bolly comment*

I have no clue how you come to that. I quoted Ced's post, bolded the part that bothered me and questioned him about it.
How did I misinterpret Ced's comment when (1) I'm asking him about it. (2) trying to clarify the meaning.

Oohhh goody Iso and Drey are playing charades in which they give clues without saying anything to anyone about what they are thinking.
You think someone is scummy say what it is. You can't then all it is and just words. No case means no one follows you. If you think someone is scum there should be a push on it with reason.
I absolutely despise players that say X is scum, like it's a flipping guessing game and then grin like (insert comment here that is not nice) then continue on like it really meant nothing at all.
Seriously you two (looks at Iso and Drey) if you going to do the guessing game then shut up. You have a reason spit it out.

*deep breathe*

So far not a fan of ced.
Drey's post does nothing to say town to me. He usually puts more reasoning for things and doesn't vote without a reason. Aslo posting that scum have no day talk something only scum would know.
No read on arimnaes or Eron at this time.
Annaria is probably town. Same with Bolly.
Iso is the loose cannon cop. (joke go watch Fairly Odd Parents for reference). Seriously Iso just one of those I can't read because of the chaos he ensues as town and scum.
@Iso: Why did you name Starcraft Mafia. I'm curious what made you pick that over other games you were scum in.

Quote from pinkys_brain

People could say just look at my blog. I wanted to see if they picked something or not. Second I looked at my own blog picked the most recent scum game and the one above it and copied and pasted.

Why does it matter to you if they picked a specific game or not?

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How do you know this?

How do YOU know it?

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Iso is the loose cannon cop. (joke go watch Fairly Odd Parents for reference). Seriously Iso just one of those I can't read because of the chaos he ensues as town and scum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roU_AoHyReA

^Obviously what you're referencing, but is that because I defy common meta of Mafia?

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@Iso: Why did you name Starcraft Mafia. I'm curious what made you pick that over other games you were scum in.

Quote from Iso

My sig contains a link to all of my completed games. *Opens arms* I recommend Starcraft Mafia for scum (as it's my most recently completed scum game)

Reading is tech

Quote from Bolly

I think I'm in love with Iso. I don't know why, maybe he has that effect on people.

I like you, too.

Let's elope.

But really, I'm curious as to what you mean by this.

Quote from Iso

Why does it matter to you if they picked a specific game or not?

Someone may want to hide a game they played scum better or they picked something more recently because like me it is something I think is more closer to how I play mafia.

How do YOU know it?

Drey said the comment like he knows for fact scum don't have day talk. I'm asking him how he knows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roU_AoHyReA

^Obviously what you're referencing, but is that because I defy common meta of Mafia?

Hey not everyone is a Fairly Godparents fan. My husband thinks I'm nuts.


Reading is tech [/QUOTE]

huh I thought 1984 was the most recent scum game for you...???
Did starcraft end???

Quote from ced395

pinky, you didn't mention in your questioning that you were asking me about why I thought Bolly was talking about lynching me, until you suddenly came out with "I'm not seeing how you conclude this."

I quoted your post and asked you the question here and quoted your comment. What did you think I was talking about in that post?

Quote from Bolly

I don't know, I just think you're playing well. And your appropriate usage of smilies has made me chuckle. The only thing that's stopping me from filing you under "definitely town" is the whole "everyone target me tonight" thing.

Yeah, that was a bit strange. But apparently Iso has a reputation for being a bit strange. So, I'm just gonna take it with a grain of salt and assume there's a method to his madness.

Quote from ced395

Oh, and:
pinky, why did you immediately answer your own questions in #43?
Also, why did you IGMEOY me rather than vote me?

I have a tendency to tunnel at the start of the game. I'm trying to get out of that nitch and go with keeping my eye on things.
So far the first person I'm suspicious of more times then not is town or there is a miscommunication or I'm right. After what happened in Clue Mafia I'm keeping a more open mind on things.

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I don't think you really touch on why you think it isn't null. I've seen town claim miller. I've seen scum claim miller. I don't believe that one group is significantly bigger than the other. Hence, null.

Is your reason for believing that neither is significantly more common than the other based on personal experience? You tallied the number of times you've seen genuine miller claims against the number that were scum false claims and they were about 50/50?

I can't claim to have done that, but my reason causes me to lean more heavily on the side of scum, here. Not all games have townie millers; all games have mafia. You are probably the most "established" player in this game, given that I haven't been around in over a year and you've got a nice shiny player of the year award, which means you're the most likely default investigation target and thus would be strongly incentivized to claim miller as scum.

None of this logic precludes you from being a townie miller, of course. I just find that a slightly less likely explanation than you being scum, so I count it as a point against you.

Quote from Bolly

My mind instantly jumps to untargetable or redirector, but I can't honestly understand why he'd ask -everyone- to target him.

Maybe his hair is so big it's filled with secrets.