“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” - Maya Angelou
"Couldn't kill you before, but now I will be GALD to kill you." Says Shalako with noose in hand.
"Wait, WAIT! I can't be scum! Why would I be wearing a bulletproof vest?!" Screams Zajnet, causing everyone to pause for a second.
"Hmm... maybe he has a point. Oh well LYNCH HIM!" exclaims zindabad as he grabs hold of Zajnet and drags him to a tree. You all string him up and proceed to hang him. After he dies you search his body and make the shocking realization that Zajnet was actually the Mafia Godfather. Relieved that you all got scum in the first day, you return home for what you hope will be a peaceful night.
It is now NIGHT 1! Deadline for actions will be Sunday March 4th at 8:00 PM
“Every thought is a seed. If you plant crab apples, don't count on harvesting Golden Delicious.” - Bill Meyer
You all awaken, still high off the victory of lynching scum Day one. You all arrive back at the town center though to see a horrifying sight. Before you, tied to the fountain, is TheFooFish, Townie, with one bullet hole right between the eyes. Obviously this is a message to the town from the mafia about how they feel.
It is now DAY 2. The choice of the many will outweigh the choice of the few. It takes 6 similar choices to lynch.
It makes no sense for Wuffles to "slip" know that we know that PF was Mafia.
It also makes no sense that he would roleblock someone he thinks is town and give me Scum Points for being on his wagon.
I would like a Full Town/Mafia List from Wuffles. He hasn't posted anywhere in the thread what his reads are besides the people on his wagon being Scum.
Sorry for the double post; I am on my Phone and had to call someone.
WUFFLES: Who did you target last Night and Why?
Arch: What?
WWAB: when I have time to use a computer{Tue/Wed} I'll compare his posts to another game to try and findout what is bothering me.
His replacing out is a Null tell because he did it in Drinks Mafia Too.
Need to figure out what the Hell Tff was talking about when She said Wuffles was Town without giving reasons and her doing it again after I told her to give me reasons.
Could be trying to cut out support against Wuffles Wagon. :~[.
Re Art: Why do you not know that your rolename is diffrent from your role?
To the first line - I assume you're the one who targeted me with a Cop. to the second - I don't currently see a reason to hold on to investigative results. We have enough PRs outed that it seems too late to try to play the hide-from-scum game; we need more information out ASAP so we can work on PoEing. We now have four confirmed or nearly confirmed town - Shalako, you, me, and Arti. Now we just need to figure out scum among the remaining six; I'm guessing two scum remaining. I recall a bad feeling about Emo; I'm going to start examining there.
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Third, considering Mister Artyface's terrible crusade against me yesterday, I would like some clarification here, Arch.
To be explicit: I have a Town cop result on Artifice.
To the first line - I assume you're the one who targeted me with a Cop. to the second - I don't currently see a reason to hold on to investigative results. We have enough PRs outed that it seems too late to try to play the hide-from-scum game; we need more information out ASAP so we can work on PoEing. We now have four confirmed or nearly confirmed town - Shalako, you, me, and Arti. Now we just need to figure out scum among the remaining six; I'm guessing two scum remaining. I recall a bad feeling about Emo; I'm going to start examining there.
To be explicit: I have a Town cop result on Artifice.
Hmm.
The question I have for you now, archonoid - WHY THE HELL DID YOU NOT CLAIM THAT WHEN I WAS ASKING, BEGGING FOR A MU COUNTERCLAIM.
Vote Archonoid.
@ Shalako
Town
Shalako (assuming you can demonstrate another kill, preferably not on me - I still think you're playing very badly this game though - no attempt at scumhunting except for several terrible cases on me)
Zindabad - All town, all the time, for all that he's lurking like a fox near a chicken coop
Cyouni - Asking good questions, hunting scum.
E_P - This may be a tad biased considering he's been barning me all game, but I haven't noticed anything scummy coming from him so far.
A_E - Hunting scum. A lot of very townie seeming posts.
Scummy
Artifice - Terribad wagon on me yesterday, kept right the hell off floydzaj wagon. Though if the cop result is legit, different story.
Toastboy - None of his posts have been overly townie or scummy. On the fence a lot.
Infinis - Same as toastboy.
Arch - Seems like a very odd time to claim a cop inspection after I asked for counter-claim volunteers yesterday.
To the first line - I assume you're the one who targeted me with a Cop. to the second - I don't currently see a reason to hold on to investigative results. We have enough PRs outed that it seems too late to try to play the hide-from-scum game; we need more information out ASAP so we can work on PoEing. We now have four confirmed or nearly confirmed town - Shalako, you, me, and Arti. Now we just need to figure out scum among the remaining six; I'm guessing two scum remaining. I recall a bad feeling about Emo; I'm going to start examining there.
Before we clear Shalako, we need to know if a Vig killed TFF.
A scum Daykill is usually followed by a Night with no mafia kill. Regardless of the flavor, this has to be considered. I'd really like opinions on this.
To be explicit: I have a Town cop result on Artifice.
The question I have for you now, archonoid - WHY THE HELL DID YOU NOT CLAIM THAT WHEN I WAS ASKING, BEGGING FOR A MU COUNTERCLAIM.
Vote Archonoid.
The fact that you jump to a conclusion yet again is scummy yet again.
Vote Wuffles
@ Shalako
Town
Shalako (assuming you can demonstrate another kill, preferably not on me - I still think you're playing very badly this game though - no attempt at scumhunting except for several terrible cases on me)
Zindabad - All town, all the time, for all that he's lurking like a fox near a chicken coop
Cyouni - Asking good questions, hunting scum.
E_P - This may be a tad biased considering he's been barning me all game, but I haven't noticed anything scummy coming from him so far.
A_E - Hunting scum. A lot of very townie seeming posts.
Scummy
Artifice - Terribad wagon on me yesterday, kept right the hell off floydzaj wagon. Though if the cop result is legit, different story.
Toastboy - None of his posts have been overly townie or scummy. On the fence a lot.
Infinis - Same as toastboy.
Arch - Seems like a very odd time to claim a cop inspection after I asked for counter-claim volunteers yesterday.
So in other words, you aren't accepting an investigation claim when we have a dead Godfather who wanted to be Copped, you continue to think me scum for wagoning you (OMGUS), and the people that could be listed as neutral on your list are instead listed as scummy with a dash of fence sitting.
Noted. Subsequently rejected.
BTW Arch isn't claiming Cop. He's claiming an investigation. Wuffles, I'm going to assume you are making the "playing dumb" scum tell here until you prove otherwise. No offence intended. I do it all the time as scum.
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Do you mind claiming the main part? As in what happened when I targeted you?
The main parts are: I gained a cop result on Artifice, and if I'm reading everything correctly, I believe you should have also received a cop result on me. Again, I'm presuming you're the one who targeted me - I didn't actually get that info directly.
Arch's role is exactly in the line with his actions - particularly with the ham-handed approach to getting Cyouni to target him. The only thing surprising here is that Cyouni risked it, but it worked out pretty great. We know arch is town because Zajnet is dead and Cyouni copped him, and we know art is town because of arch's investigation, and we know Cyouni is town unless arch + Cyouni is a scum team together because we know he's a cop.
I think it might be best if arch claims a little more at this point. He got to double up on a cop result for great result, but it's pointless if Cyouni has to target him every night in order to give him an investigation. Is it permanent or only when you get targeted?
Confirmed:
Cyouni
archonoid
Artifice
Shalako - When he shoots today
Two scum remaining:
Toastboy
Wuffles_II
Infinis
Archmage Eternal
zindabad
And we all know my opinion: Shal should shoot Infinis.
You've been on Wuffles throughout the game on my townie-ness. I don't know if it's because you think I'm scum or if Wuffles knows for a fact that I'm town. Meaning he's scum.
So assume standard setup of three scum. We have two more to go.
Questions:
1. Do you think Wuffles wagon was scum driven?
2. Do you think Zajnet's wagon had any scum on it?
3. How does the hammer vote reflect on Zind?
4. How does not picking a wagon reflect on A_E?
4 is easiest it's pretty null, I want to say A_E isn't that indecisive but I really can't since I can't honestly remember his meta.
3 is easy for me, I thought that zind was hesitant with the vote after casting suspicion upon Zaj several times and then hammers. Which makes me think he's scum.
2 and 1 are tied together in a Gordian Knot.
Cases:
two of Wuffles_II, Archonoid, Emo_Pinata, Cyouni, Toastboy, Zindabad is scum
scum spread out makes A_E scum.
two scum on wuffles. Shalako is as good as town without an investigation result. Zaj is dead scum. That leaves me and Art on that wagon. As unknowns, (I'm town btw) Or in this case me or Art is scum. Since I'm not scum, that makes Art scum. And one remaining scum on Zaj's wagon.
This has taken too long as it is and I'm losing track of the point. Even if you disagree or can;t follow the reasoning. The above 4 questions are the pressing topics in my mind.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Why does this phrase read like a disappointed scum?
I'm completely serious. It just feels like it should read, "Well, isn't this freaking swell? :mad:" the way it is situated in that paragraph.
So awkward.
I'm thinking Shalako should shoot anyone trying to direct him, myself included if need be.
Also Shalako, I looked. Sir Mu reads as town Cop to me. The other thing to note is this (benefit of a game ending in a major screw up): Sir Mu was basically the town Cop in another game as well (1984, where he was the investigative role, a Gunsmith). His posts here and frustration replacement are absolute mirrors of each other. I feel as though he cracked under the pressure of having a key PR in two games.
Cyouni is therefore town. We are in follow the Cop mode.
And Cyouni needs to answer my question, please? It is nine posts above this one, if I do muh mathz correctly.
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Ing him![\i] Being confirmed town does not make you a leader by any means.
****ing phone.
Did you not read how I preempted that argument by giving him permission to kill me?
I dislike anyone directing the Vig if they aren't confirmed Town.
This, again, assumes he is telling the truth. Actually, let me ask this another way:
@Everyone: Is there anyone in this game that would like to claim the Nightkill from last night? I would like to be certain that the Mafia killed TFF. Please answer this question in your next post. Thanks.
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I dislike a dayvig being used as anything but a second lynch except if they're Cyan. Admittedly, the best shots I've seen happened to be when he was a serial killer, but w/e.
Infinis, why is there little-to-no actual analysis in that post?
I dislike a dayvig being used as anything but a second lynch except if they're Cyan. Admittedly, the best shots I've seen happened to be when he was a serial killer, but w/e.
Infinis, why is there little-to-no actual analysis in that post?
Archonoid came up as town under my investigation.
So now we have the following confirmed truths:
@Mod: the OP needs to be updated with TFF's death.
Cyouni is the town Cop
Archonoid is the Town reflector?self-motivator?something. Which leads me to believe we have another ability that would be worth repeating, but whatever.
I am town
pinkfloyd was a Godfather welcoming a Cop investigation (hence why all of the above is true because two "false Cop result" roles would be beyond broken and swingy and bastardly).
Shalako had a Daykill. Yesterday.
TFF was a Townie.
Wuffles has claimed "The Blonde Bombshell", Town Roleblocker, to mixed replies about not only his claim structure, but also about whether his ability is more likely on a townie.
Cyouni wasn't roleblocked last night. Neither was Archonoid (unless a roleblock on Archonoid would implode the universe.
Archonoid knows he got a Cop ability. Cyouni admits he Copped Archonoid. They confirm each other.
We need to gather the known facts of what people have said about their role PM's and see what that indicates.
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I will admit I'm slightly suspicious about my role. If it's got no drawbacks (aside from the 1/11 chance of Godfather), why do I have a tracker and ability-detector as options?
Did you not read how I preempted that argument by giving him permission to kill me?
THAT'S ****ING DIRECTING HIM TOO!
God lord, I know that you've now tacked on "confirmed town can direct the vig", but you are being incredibly obstinate this game. I think we all agreed that Shal would be a second lynch a long time ago.
God lord, I know that you've now tacked on "confirmed town can direct the vig", but you are being incredibly obstinate this game. I think we all agreed that Shal would be a second lynch a long time ago.
Who's "we all"? I agreed to no such thing.
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I can't say I'm terribly pleased with Artifice with saying this just after he was confirmed.
Also, while I'm at it, I'm also more than slightly suspicious of any balance that allows two Cop roles via copying. Last time I saw that, the mod also tossed in two millers built-in to the role. Not particularly nice of him.
As is also pretty obvious, I haven't withdrawn my suspicion of Artifice.
A thought occurs. Wuffles, did you RB anyone last night?
Of course I did.
No freaking way was I not roleblocking artifice last night, after his obstinate refusal to vote the godfather instead voting me for terribad reasons. If there was no nightkill, I would have smiled so big that it would have fallen off my face as I tied Artifice up.
Sadly, that's not the case. Artifice was just absolutely, totally, completely wrong about everything instead.
And I want people to get off the "wuffles naming conventions" wagon now. A confirmed townie, TFF, absolutely vouched for me with that regard. It was terrible before and now that TFF is confirmed it is beyond terrible now. It doesn't mean I'm saying keep off me completely (I'm not Iso, I don't play like that) but give the bad argument a rest ok?
I can't say I'm terribly pleased with Artifice with saying this just after he was confirmed.
Also, while I'm at it, I'm also more than slightly suspicious of any balance that allows two Cop roles via copying. Last time I saw that, the mod also tossed in two millers built-in to the role. Not particularly nice of him.
As is also pretty obvious, I haven't withdrawn my suspicion of Artifice.
Your bad read, AND bad choice of who to Cop bothers me very little. You have a Town investigation, and that player is flatly telling you he has the same. On me.
Now, start thinking outside of the "Artifice annoys me" box and figure out who is trying to manipulate you. Hint: if they are arguing with the confirmed town players (you, me, Archonoid) they may have scummy motivation for doing so.
No freaking way was I not roleblocking artifice last night, after his obstinate refusal to vote the godfather instead voting me for terribad reasons. If there was no nightkill, I would have smiled so big that it would have fallen off my face as I tied Artifice up.
Sadly, that's not the case. Artifice was just absolutely, totally, completely wrong about everything instead.
Being wrong doesn't make me scum.
You claiming to choose me as a target doesn't make you town.
You could very easily be the Mafia Roleblocker (as I suspect) turning distancing your scum buddy (buddies? I need a reread) into bussing pinkfloyd out of the game for town credit. Easy escape valve.
If you are, you couldn't have blocked anyone that had a confirmable Town ability last Night. No one would believe a Town Roleblock and a Scum Roleblock. Also, blocking me, knowing suspicion of me would be on your side, is an easy decision. Call it a Sunday School Answer.
Also, for reference, I received no notification of being roleblocked.
And I want people to get off the "wuffles naming conventions" wagon now. A confirmed townie, TFF, absolutely vouched for me with that regard. It was terrible before and now that TFF is confirmed it is beyond terrible now. It doesn't mean I'm saying keep off me completely (I'm not Iso, I don't play like that) but give the bad argument a rest ok?
Play like what exactly?
How do you think anything that TFF said as a Vanilla means anything?
Also, doesn't TFF's death as "Townie" not actually argue that because your claim includes a Role Name that is not the role ability you actually have claimed (Cyouni/Mu = Cop, for another example), you are more likely to be lying?
Of course you want us to drop that point. It hangs you.
Cyouni, the extra is one-shot. I don't turn into a permanent Cop.
No, I did not. Lets stop talking about your abilites, please? People seem to be trying to narrow down what you can and can't do. You're confirmed Town. Let them simply not know.
I'm not. I'm questioning you being a part of the choice that Shalako hasn't even established is his to make Today.
No. Just no. You are not questioning what I said, you said Shalako should AZWOLG. You said that no one should direct Shalako, and anyone that tries shoull be shot.
You are telling everyone what to do, and you are using "cuz I'm confirmed" as your justification in the end. You simply have no idea how these things should go down, and you freaking out about things as unimportant as role information proves your inability to lead a town. With last night, we are so far past the importance of hiding roles that it's silly. With FOUR confirmed town roles there's no way for the scum to line up both which power roles to kill and which confirmed players to kill with one scum team member dead.
Shal's shot will be directed at whoever the town agrees to, arch needed to reveal that his role does not permanently give him an investigation, and with two lynches a day the only five people left who can be scum will be sorted out IN TWO DAYS.
Being wrong doesn't make me scum. Sadly not, but the depth to which your fail yesterday went stretched the credibility of that statement to its limits. You were still the best target.
You claiming to choose me as a target doesn't make you town. Nope, but it sure as hell doesn't make me scum, sir! And I don't believe I claimed that my choice made me town in the first place, did I? You're either putting words in my mouth or are stating the really, really obvious. Neither makes you look overly good.
You could very easily be the Mafia Roleblocker (as I suspect) turning distancing your scum buddy (buddies? I need a reread) into bussing pinkfloyd out of the game for town credit. Easy escape valve.
Ah, the old "this guy was on a scum wagon therefore he's not a townie hunting scum, he's a scum hunting scum". Occam's Razor. Without me, that case wouldn't even have happened. Seems pretty bold of me were I scum to make a gambit like that, isn't it? Grasping at straws. just a little bit?
If you are, you couldn't have blocked anyone that had a confirmable Town ability last Night. No one would believe a Town Roleblock and a Scum Roleblock. Also, blocking me, knowing suspicion of me would be on your side, is an easy decision. Call it a Sunday School Answer.
What? Your argument here is idiotic. If I'm the scum roleblocker as you say, there IS NO TOWN ROLEBLOCKER rite? Yet you say in your very post that "noone would believe a town and a scum roleblocker",
Also, for reference, I received no notification of being roleblocked.
If you didn't use an ability which I assume is the case, why the hell would you?!?!
Play like what exactly?
Like someone that uses circumstantial evidence to threaten people off their wagons. I cringe every time Iso tries that.
How do you think anything that TFF said as a Vanilla means anything?
You kidding? He EXPLICITLY STATED, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, THAT I WAS NOT LYING ABOUT MY ROLE COMPOSITION. HE WOULD HAVE PROVED IT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT. HE'S TOWN. HE WASN'T LYING. TOWNIES DON'T LIE EXCEPT TO CATCH SCUM IN TRAPS.
EMO AND CYOUNI HAVE ALSO ADVISED YOU OF THIS!?!?! HOW CAN YOU BE SO OBSTINATE IN THE FACE OF THE EVIDENCE?!?
This is the most elaborate backpeddle I think I've read in about five or six games.
@Wuffles: can you list your previous scum games on MTGS for me, please? Or you could not be lazy and do it yourself. I don't have a comprehensive list, but the mafia forum *does* have a search function. If you need help figuring out how to use it, I will draw you a deliciously condescending picture?
Your bad read, AND bad choice of who to Cop bothers me very little. You have a Town investigation, and that player is flatly telling you he has the same. On me.
Now, start thinking outside of the "Artifice annoys me" box and figure out who is trying to manipulate you. Hint: if they are arguing with the confirmed town players (you, me, Archonoid) they may have scummy motivation for doing so.
If I knew copping Archonoid would make you confirmed town, I wouldn't have done so. You being confirmed town is one of the most annoying things that can happen, but now I get to ignore you for the rest of the game.
And you can talk all you want about "bad choice of who to cop", but last time I checked, that got two (apparently) confirmed town people, BOTH of which I would have happily lynched today.
That and you're the biggest person trying to manipulate me. More than one of the reasons why I'm doubting that Cop result.
Day 1 Final Vote Count
Wuffles_II (4) - Shalako, Zajnet, Artifice 101, Infinis
Zajnet (7) - TheFooFish, Wuffles_II, Archonoid, Emo_Pinata, Cyouni, Toastboy, Zindabad
Archonoid (1) - Archmage_Eternal
You all approach Zajnet with anger in your eyes.
"Couldn't kill you before, but now I will be GALD to kill you." Says Shalako with noose in hand.
"Wait, WAIT! I can't be scum! Why would I be wearing a bulletproof vest?!" Screams Zajnet, causing everyone to pause for a second.
"Hmm... maybe he has a point. Oh well LYNCH HIM!" exclaims zindabad as he grabs hold of Zajnet and drags him to a tree. You all string him up and proceed to hang him. After he dies you search his body and make the shocking realization that Zajnet was actually the Mafia Godfather. Relieved that you all got scum in the first day, you return home for what you hope will be a peaceful night.
It is now NIGHT 1! Deadline for actions will be Sunday March 4th at 8:00 PM
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You all awaken, still high off the victory of lynching scum Day one. You all arrive back at the town center though to see a horrifying sight. Before you, tied to the fountain, is TheFooFish, Townie, with one bullet hole right between the eyes. Obviously this is a message to the town from the mafia about how they feel.
It is now DAY 2. The choice of the many will outweigh the choice of the few. It takes 6 similar choices to lynch.
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Choice 2: Go town!
Choice 3: Please, do not let my death be in vain. Avenge me and destroy these scum!
Artifice 101 is Town.
@Archonoid: Why would you say that?
Second, Shalako, please do not shoot me. The Zajfloydfather should have convinced you enough that I am town now.
Third, considering Mister Artyface's terrible crusade against me yesterday, I would like some clarification here, Arch.
Yeah why? Feeling nervous about being wagoned today? Why spit this info out so soon?
Shalako, what are you thinking today?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
It also makes no sense that he would roleblock someone he thinks is town and give me Scum Points for being on his wagon.
I would like a Full Town/Mafia List from Wuffles. He hasn't posted anywhere in the thread what his reads are besides the people on his wagon being Scum.
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WUFFLES: Who did you target last Night and Why?
Arch: What?
WWAB: when I have time to use a computer{Tue/Wed} I'll compare his posts to another game to try and findout what is bothering me.
His replacing out is a Null tell because he did it in Drinks Mafia Too.
Need to figure out what the Hell Tff was talking about when She said Wuffles was Town without giving reasons and her doing it again after I told her to give me reasons.
Could be trying to cut out support against Wuffles Wagon. :~[.
Re Art: Why do you not know that your rolename is diffrent from your role?
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To the first line - I assume you're the one who targeted me with a Cop. to the second - I don't currently see a reason to hold on to investigative results. We have enough PRs outed that it seems too late to try to play the hide-from-scum game; we need more information out ASAP so we can work on PoEing. We now have four confirmed or nearly confirmed town - Shalako, you, me, and Arti. Now we just need to figure out scum among the remaining six; I'm guessing two scum remaining. I recall a bad feeling about Emo; I'm going to start examining there.
To be explicit: I have a Town cop result on Artifice.
The question I have for you now, archonoid - WHY THE HELL DID YOU NOT CLAIM THAT WHEN I WAS ASKING, BEGGING FOR A MU COUNTERCLAIM.
Vote Archonoid.
@ Shalako
Town
Shalako (assuming you can demonstrate another kill, preferably not on me - I still think you're playing very badly this game though - no attempt at scumhunting except for several terrible cases on me)
Zindabad - All town, all the time, for all that he's lurking like a fox near a chicken coop
Cyouni - Asking good questions, hunting scum.
E_P - This may be a tad biased considering he's been barning me all game, but I haven't noticed anything scummy coming from him so far.
A_E - Hunting scum. A lot of very townie seeming posts.
Scummy
Artifice - Terribad wagon on me yesterday, kept right the hell off floydzaj wagon. Though if the cop result is legit, different story.
Toastboy - None of his posts have been overly townie or scummy. On the fence a lot.
Infinis - Same as toastboy.
Arch - Seems like a very odd time to claim a cop inspection after I asked for counter-claim volunteers yesterday.
Also What the hell?
Before you said that I was scum hunting(me and Sir Mu)
You can't make a single post without Sticking your Foot in Your Mouth.
Art: Find that post by Wuffles where he talks about me ScumHunting(can't search) And I'll give you the promised look over the votes Tue/Wed
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You vote Arch then talk about how if his result is legit it changes your views on Arti.
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Then again my read was way off. I've been eating a lot of crow lately.
Norly? Your first clue, Sherlock? Also this does not get you off the hook.
Why don't you explain to us how Zajnet flipping scum clears you.
Please be as specific as possible.
I consider your considerations secondary. Just putting that out there.
Because it's not. I've made that clear.
Before we clear Shalako, we need to know if a Vig killed TFF.
A scum Daykill is usually followed by a Night with no mafia kill. Regardless of the flavor, this has to be considered. I'd really like opinions on this.
Are you some sort of redirector?
The fact that you jump to a conclusion yet again is scummy yet again.
Vote Wuffles
So in other words, you aren't accepting an investigation claim when we have a dead Godfather who wanted to be Copped, you continue to think me scum for wagoning you (OMGUS), and the people that could be listed as neutral on your list are instead listed as scummy with a dash of fence sitting.
Noted. Subsequently rejected.
BTW Arch isn't claiming Cop. He's claiming an investigation. Wuffles, I'm going to assume you are making the "playing dumb" scum tell here until you prove otherwise. No offence intended. I do it all the time as scum.
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Not sure what you need.
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I'm talking gibberish.
He was talking to A.E.(about his case in Sir Mu) With Sir Mu.
Disregard.
Take a look at Him Tying Sir Mu and Pf together though.
In fact take a look at all the times he talks about Pf.
Tell me what you think.
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No, I don't think that's the correct action at this time.
I think it might be best if arch claims a little more at this point. He got to double up on a cop result for great result, but it's pointless if Cyouni has to target him every night in order to give him an investigation. Is it permanent or only when you get targeted?
Confirmed:
Cyouni
archonoid
Artifice
Shalako - When he shoots today
Two scum remaining:
Toastboy
Wuffles_II
Infinis
Archmage Eternal
zindabad
And we all know my opinion: Shal should shoot Infinis.
What is this? He never claimed to be a cop. He said a cop role is good for his role.
I'm having second thoughts on Wuffles.
If you disagree point it out.
You've been on Wuffles throughout the game on my townie-ness. I don't know if it's because you think I'm scum or if Wuffles knows for a fact that I'm town. Meaning he's scum.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
So assume standard setup of three scum. We have two more to go.
Questions:
1. Do you think Wuffles wagon was scum driven?
2. Do you think Zajnet's wagon had any scum on it?
3. How does the hammer vote reflect on Zind?
4. How does not picking a wagon reflect on A_E?
4 is easiest it's pretty null, I want to say A_E isn't that indecisive but I really can't since I can't honestly remember his meta.
3 is easy for me, I thought that zind was hesitant with the vote after casting suspicion upon Zaj several times and then hammers. Which makes me think he's scum.
2 and 1 are tied together in a Gordian Knot.
Cases:
two of Wuffles_II, Archonoid, Emo_Pinata, Cyouni, Toastboy, Zindabad is scum
scum spread out makes A_E scum.
two scum on wuffles. Shalako is as good as town without an investigation result. Zaj is dead scum. That leaves me and Art on that wagon. As unknowns, (I'm town btw) Or in this case me or Art is scum. Since I'm not scum, that makes Art scum. And one remaining scum on Zaj's wagon.
This has taken too long as it is and I'm losing track of the point. Even if you disagree or can;t follow the reasoning. The above 4 questions are the pressing topics in my mind.
12-11? I'm losing track
I'm completely serious. It just feels like it should read, "Well, isn't this freaking swell? :mad:" the way it is situated in that paragraph.
So awkward.
I'm thinking Shalako should shoot anyone trying to direct him, myself included if need be.
Also Shalako, I looked. Sir Mu reads as town Cop to me. The other thing to note is this (benefit of a game ending in a major screw up): Sir Mu was basically the town Cop in another game as well (1984, where he was the investigative role, a Gunsmith). His posts here and frustration replacement are absolute mirrors of each other. I feel as though he cracked under the pressure of having a key PR in two games.
Cyouni is therefore town. We are in follow the Cop mode.
And Cyouni needs to answer my question, please? It is nine posts above this one, if I do muh mathz correctly.
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****ing phone.
I dislike anyone directing the Vig if they aren't confirmed Town.
This, again, assumes he is telling the truth. Actually, let me ask this another way:
@Everyone: Is there anyone in this game that would like to claim the Nightkill from last night? I would like to be certain that the Mafia killed TFF. Please answer this question in your next post. Thanks.
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Infinis, why is there little-to-no actual analysis in that post?
Archonoid came up as town under my investigation.
@Mod: the OP needs to be updated with TFF's death.
Cyouni is the town Cop
Archonoid is the Town reflector?self-motivator?something. Which leads me to believe we have another ability that would be worth repeating, but whatever.
I am town
pinkfloyd was a Godfather welcoming a Cop investigation (hence why all of the above is true because two "false Cop result" roles would be beyond broken and swingy and bastardly).
Shalako had a Daykill. Yesterday.
TFF was a Townie.
Wuffles has claimed "The Blonde Bombshell", Town Roleblocker, to mixed replies about not only his claim structure, but also about whether his ability is more likely on a townie.
Cyouni wasn't roleblocked last night. Neither was Archonoid (unless a roleblock on Archonoid would implode the universe.
Archonoid knows he got a Cop ability. Cyouni admits he Copped Archonoid. They confirm each other.
We need to gather the known facts of what people have said about their role PM's and see what that indicates.
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God lord, I know that you've now tacked on "confirmed town can direct the vig", but you are being incredibly obstinate this game. I think we all agreed that Shal would be a second lynch a long time ago.
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Also, while I'm at it, I'm also more than slightly suspicious of any balance that allows two Cop roles via copying. Last time I saw that, the mod also tossed in two millers built-in to the role. Not particularly nice of him.
As is also pretty obvious, I haven't withdrawn my suspicion of Artifice.
No freaking way was I not roleblocking artifice last night, after his obstinate refusal to vote the godfather instead voting me for terribad reasons. If there was no nightkill, I would have smiled so big that it would have fallen off my face as I tied Artifice up.
Sadly, that's not the case. Artifice was just absolutely, totally, completely wrong about everything instead.
And I want people to get off the "wuffles naming conventions" wagon now. A confirmed townie, TFF, absolutely vouched for me with that regard. It was terrible before and now that TFF is confirmed it is beyond terrible now. It doesn't mean I'm saying keep off me completely (I'm not Iso, I don't play like that) but give the bad argument a rest ok?
Cyouni, the extra is one-shot. I don't turn into a permanent Cop.
I should reallllly have realized that. A JoaT in a mini called "Chosen" mafia? A role with "choices" inside "the choice?"
Sounds so laughably plausible that I cannot believe I was stupid enough to think otherwise.
Ffffuu.
Unvote.
Slightly different conversation.
Your bad read, AND bad choice of who to Cop bothers me very little. You have a Town investigation, and that player is flatly telling you he has the same. On me.
Now, start thinking outside of the "Artifice annoys me" box and figure out who is trying to manipulate you. Hint: if they are arguing with the confirmed town players (you, me, Archonoid) they may have scummy motivation for doing so.
Being wrong doesn't make me scum.
You claiming to choose me as a target doesn't make you town.
You could very easily be the Mafia Roleblocker (as I suspect) turning distancing your scum buddy (buddies? I need a reread) into bussing pinkfloyd out of the game for town credit. Easy escape valve.
If you are, you couldn't have blocked anyone that had a confirmable Town ability last Night. No one would believe a Town Roleblock and a Scum Roleblock. Also, blocking me, knowing suspicion of me would be on your side, is an easy decision. Call it a Sunday School Answer.
Also, for reference, I received no notification of being roleblocked.
Play like what exactly?
How do you think anything that TFF said as a Vanilla means anything?
Also, doesn't TFF's death as "Townie" not actually argue that because your claim includes a Role Name that is not the role ability you actually have claimed (Cyouni/Mu = Cop, for another example), you are more likely to be lying?
Of course you want us to drop that point. It hangs you.
No, I did not. Lets stop talking about your abilites, please? People seem to be trying to narrow down what you can and can't do. You're confirmed Town. Let them simply not know.
This is the most elaborate backpeddle I think I've read in about five or six games.
@Wuffles: can you list your previous scum games on MTGS for me, please?
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You are telling everyone what to do, and you are using "cuz I'm confirmed" as your justification in the end. You simply have no idea how these things should go down, and you freaking out about things as unimportant as role information proves your inability to lead a town. With last night, we are so far past the importance of hiding roles that it's silly. With FOUR confirmed town roles there's no way for the scum to line up both which power roles to kill and which confirmed players to kill with one scum team member dead.
Shal's shot will be directed at whoever the town agrees to, arch needed to reveal that his role does not permanently give him an investigation, and with two lynches a day the only five people left who can be scum will be sorted out IN TWO DAYS.
And you can talk all you want about "bad choice of who to cop", but last time I checked, that got two (apparently) confirmed town people, BOTH of which I would have happily lynched today.
That and you're the biggest person trying to manipulate me. More than one of the reasons why I'm doubting that Cop result.