If Shalako has as many shots as he wants, would it be better to replace the lynch with his daykill unless he hits scum?
That way we can get the reveal immediately, discuss it a bit, and then go to night knowing we're not mislynching. It would be a way to use our lynch to our full advantage and not rush the game forward when we are so divided. We would get the full benefit of a daykill without the drawback.
Obviously, we can't do this today since it was blown so early but it could save a lot of heartache tomorrow. I also doubt Shalako is just going to shoot randomly into the crowd again.
Yeah, that's a GREAT idea. We should trust Shalako! He's proven a calm, collected, logical player that cares what the town thinks this game.
He's going to shoot you if we don't lynch you, Wuffles. If you're scum and he's not (which I believe) it puts your team in a bad spot.
Do you kill the Daykiller thats going to kill one of you? Or do you kill the Cop that's going to catch one of you? Should be fun to see how this plays out.
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He's going to shoot you if we don't lynch you, Wuffles. If you're scum and he's not (which I believe) it puts your team in a bad spot.
Do you kill the Daykiller thats going to kill one of you? Or do you kill the Cop that's going to catch one of you? Should be fun to see how this plays out.
No, I'm not going to block the cop, but your repetitive attempts to cast worthless aspersions on me are noted, don't you worry.
In all likelihood, even if the rest of the town tells Shalako not to, he's probably going to kill me tomorrow. Believe me - if I could block him, I would. I already checked with Tan though, and night-blocking him won't stop him from daykilling.
Shalako - You are welcome to vig me tomorrow - as in, I can't stop you :mad::mad: - But can you at least promise me you won't do it until the end of the day? I want to contribute to this game as much as I can before you AZWOLG me.
Please do not kill me at the start of day 2. It would only serve to deny the town valuable analysis later in the game. If you are going to kill me, at least do it in a way that is as helpful to the town I believe you are working with.
Can you please answer the bolded comment before the deadline?
Art's sudden change is argument is noted. Also his sudden out of character perspective change on Wuffles possibly being town. And the viability of Wuffles' role. That one post is just so loaded with out-of-the-blue perspective changes that it's just so...
I don't even know a good word for it.
Nice to see Archonoid's still providing more information instead of analysis. (For all that I disliked RisingPhoenix's style, he had a pretty good point in this thing.)
At this point, I will vote Zajnet to avoid a no lynch if necessary.
Art's sudden change is argument is noted. Also his sudden out of character perspective change on Wuffles possibly being town. And the viability of Wuffles' role. That one post is just so loaded with out-of-the-blue perspective changes that it's just so...
I don't even know a good word for it.
Nice to see Archonoid's still providing more information instead of analysis. (For all that I disliked RisingPhoenix's style, he had a pretty good point in this thing.)
At this point, I will vote Zajnet to avoid a no lynch if necessary.
What perspective changes? And if you see a change it tone its bcause it was nearly 3 AM and I was getting cross-eyed.
So is this another one of those damned if I do damned if I don't attacks people are becoming fond of lately? If I say Wuffles is guaranteed scum, "You're too tunnel Artifice", or "You're scum because only scum know for sure!"
I didn't "change my perspective" -- I said exactly the same thing. I don't believe Wuffles and I do believe Shalako AND pinkfloyd/Zaj. I think Wuffles is crying in his pint because he knows he's dead tomorrow as part of the scum team.
I think he's also fishing for Shalako to tell him more so they can make their Night choices. I also think anyone not voting either pink/Zaj or Wuffles is either distancing or Doc hunting.
If I had three Daykills, I would use them on Emo, Wuffles, and maybe Infinis in case I'm wrong. No, I don't care if you like it. If you are town you should not care.
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Are you the pot or kettle?
Why would the roleblocker kill the cop?
And why are you trying so hard to tie people together?
and I don't even want to touch the WIFOM fail here.
Fair point regarding the pot and the kettle.
However, while I have been extremely emotive today regarding Shalako, I believe that both of the wagons I have been on were justified. I wouldn't say I've been illogical outside of that.
Artifice is really slipping here, though, I agree.
Also, show of hands (everyone respond): How many players think Wuffles role name should be "Roleblocker", rather than whatever convoluted nonsense that I flatly think he made up?
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Also, show of hands (everyone respond): How many players think Wuffles role name should be "Roleblocker", rather than whatever convoluted nonsense that I flatly think he made up?
Umm.... he did...
Name: Blonde Bombshell
Role: <something that annoys the scum> Roleblocker
Art's sudden change is argument is noted. Also his sudden out of character perspective change on Wuffles possibly being town. And the viability of Wuffles' role. That one post is just so loaded with out-of-the-blue perspective changes that it's just so...
I don't even know a good word for it.
Nice to see Archonoid's still providing more information instead of analysis. (For all that I disliked RisingPhoenix's style, he had a pretty good point in this thing.)
At this point, I will vote Zajnet to avoid a no lynch if necessary.
Say what? When was RisingPhoenix in this game?
Artifice: My name is sort-of matched to my mechanics. Wuffles' claim is not particularly strange in comparison to mine.
Infinis' play is reminding me strongly of his play in Grim Batol, where he was town. I don't remember if I've been in a game where he was scum.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm saying he claimed both those already, and it matches mine.
Exactly Archmage. So either Tanarin made this game ungameable, OR he goofed and Wuffles Lied! And (shocker) Emo is unaware of what I'm refering to as well.
(Side Note: those not commenting on what any of those of us participating in this "naming convention" conversation deserve some serious scrutiny moving forward.)
@Cyouni: did you not understand that I was sarcatically asking Wuffles to justify what he's trying to represent? It was a question he CAN'T answer if I'm right. I'm saying his confidence that he survives the Night is because he's scum.
EWP: @Archonoid, color me intrigued. Well there goes that theory, probably Also:
@Archonoid: Infinis was "scum" part of the time in WoW. He was the triggered SK, if you recall. I don't know any games where he was mafia, either. He wasn't hard to read IIRC; he went nuts. Then again, that was a strange circumstance, to have your alignment change mid-game.
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Hi guys, I'm going through a lot right now, but I'm down to this being my only active game at the moment. Please don't lynch me :|
I am about to pass out now and I literally have a full day tomorrow, so if I don't get back on before deadline, I'll be sure to post content right out of the gate in Day 2.
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Exactly Archmage. So either Tanarin made this game ungameable, OR he goofed and Wuffles Lied! And (shocker) Emo is unaware of what I'm refering to as well.
(Side Note: those not commenting on what any of those of us participating in this "naming convention" conversation deserve some serious scrutiny moving forward.)
@Cyouni: did you not understand that I was sarcatically asking Wuffles to justify what he's trying to represent? It was a question he CAN'T answer if I'm right. I'm saying his confidence that he survives the Night is because he's scum.
EWP: @Archonoid, color me intrigued. Well there goes that theory, probably Also:
@Archonoid: Infinis was "scum" part of the time in WoW. He was the triggered SK, if you recall. I don't know any games where he was mafia, either. He wasn't hard to read IIRC; he went nuts. Then again, that was a strange circumstance, to have your alignment change mid-game.
No.
Read my goddamn posts, artifice.
I am going to survive the night precisely because ROLEBLOCKERS ARE LOW PRIORITY TARGETS. BECAUSE THE TOWN WILL NEVER FULLY TRUST THEM, THEY ARE LOW PRIORITY. BECAUSE UNTIL THE ENDGAME, THEY ARE NOT OVERLY EFFECTIVE, THEY ARE LOW PRIORITY.
That is why I will survive the night to be daykilled tomorrow by Shalako.
Seriously, read my posts again. You are seriously aggravating me with your obtuseness.
I am going to survive the night precisely because ROLEBLOCKERS ARE LOW PRIORITY TARGETS. BECAUSE THE TOWN WILL NEVER FULLY TRUST THEM, THEY ARE LOW PRIORITY. BECAUSE UNTIL THE ENDGAME, THEY ARE NOT OVERLY EFFECTIVE, THEY ARE LOW PRIORITY.
That is why I will survive the night to be daykilled tomorrow by Shalako.
Seriously, read my posts again. You are seriously aggravating me with your obtuseness.
I've read every post you've made in the game. Twice.
I've read every statement you've made. Twice.
I've read every ad hom and move you've made, which I think are scummy. Twice.
And given what you just said, I still think you are the correct lynch for the Day, but I'll settle for you dead Tomorrow. I'm of the opinion that your scumhunting and wagoning of lynches in the early game was actually scummy given the targets.
I think you're putting on a face for the player base, Emo is backing up that act (or buying it; this has yet to make itself clear), and that TheFooFish (who isn't voting for you) might be coaching you to stop attacking players because you are arousing suspicion. You sure went into a MUCH "lurkier" mode after Mu replaced.
Yes, I think everyone on the Wuffles wagon with me is town.
Shalako as a Daykiller, as that role is usually town
pinkfloyd/Zaj because of bold play in the early game (yes I know, this isn't super strong, but it is my stance)
Infinis for his attempted PM structure gambit.
The rest of you? I'm frankly kind of scared that I don't know, other than that Cyouni gets a straight pass as the Cop replacing a frustrated Townie replacing out (that's how I read that action, obv). His bad read of my language is just that: a bad read.
Archonoid seems to be giving off town tells, and his wagon was way, way too quick...
Toast? Not sure. Pretty lurky.
zinda. Leaning town, but also pretty lurky.
Archmage reads like bored town to me, but the fact that I haven't made up my mind yet bothers me greatly.
And if I'm wrong, feed it to me in the late game. I'm actually enjoying this puzzle much more than a grip of games I've played lately!
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I've read every post you've made in the game. Twice.
I've read every statement you've made. Twice.
I've read every ad hom and move you've made, which I think are scummy. Twice.
And given what you just said, I still think you are the correct lynch for the Day, but I'll settle for you dead Tomorrow. I'm of the opinion that your scumhunting and wagoning of lynches in the early game was actually scummy given the targets.
I think you're putting on a face for the player base, Emo is backing up that act (or buying it; this has yet to make itself clear), and that TheFooFish (who isn't voting for you) might be coaching you to stop attacking players because you are arousing suspicion. You sure went into a MUCH "lurkier" mode after Mu replaced.
Yes, I think everyone on the Wuffles wagon with me is town.
Shalako as a Daykiller, as that role is usually town
pinkfloyd/Zaj because of bold play in the early game (yes I know, this isn't super strong, but it is my stance)
Infinis for his attempted PM structure gambit.
The rest of you? I'm frankly kind of scared that I don't know, other than that Cyouni gets a straight pass as the Cop replacing a frustrated Townie replacing out (that's how I read that action, obv). His bad read of my language is just that: a bad read.
Archonoid seems to be giving off town tells, and his wagon was way, way too quick...
Toast? Not sure. Pretty lurky.
zinda. Leaning town, but also pretty lurky.
Archmage reads like bored town to me, but the fact that I haven't made up my mind yet bothers me greatly.
And if I'm wrong, feed it to me in the late game. I'm actually enjoying this puzzle much more than a grip of games I've played lately!
Sigh. I have nothing more to say to you about this, except that, well, you're wrong, about everything.
TWO separate players other than me have already crucified your PM-structure craplogic.
I don't think anyone will disagree that Mu and Shalako have played terribly this game.
I am completely unrepentant for pressuring them. They were scummy as hell. They deserved to be lynched. It is unfortunate that they were assigned auto-town roles, because they did not deserve a free pass. But they get one. I have to deal with that. What I don't have to deal with is you, with your 20/20 hindsight-tinted lenses, telling me I was wrong to wagon them. Because, I wasn't.
I, on the other hand, have been more active in this game than anyone. I have consistently been hunting scum all game, whether you think it is scummy or not (it isn't :rolleyes:) I do not care. I will keep calling people out when they play terribly, regardless of what their role pms say. If they sound scummy, then...they are. That is the way to catch scum. There is no room for mincing words when people are playing horribly. There is no need for me to defend my actions regarding these any further, because I don't believe I need to. I believe that a significant enough portion of the players in this game will see my play for what it is - hunting scum.
Also, show of hands (everyone respond): How many players think Wuffles role name should be "Roleblocker", rather than whatever convoluted nonsense that I flatly think he made up?
* TheFooFish places hands on floor.
-He's not only a "Roleblocker", so that wouldn't cover his role. He's something else that just has a roleblock ability along with other things. And he didn't make it up. -If that's being doubted, I can 100% confirm that he isn't just making up his role names.
Art's really trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole. His theory is based on the entire scum team going so far out on a limb for each other that they confirmed they have a different role structure than everyone else. Day 1. When the town is deadlocked.
I have a name and flavor separate from my role for two of my three choices. Everything Wuffs said about his role matches mine. Not everyone just got a 100% flavorless role, and I'm flatly surprised that Cyouni did.
I have a name and flavor separate from my role for two of my three choices. Everything Wuffs said about his role matches mine. Not everyone just got a 100% flavorless role, and I'm flatly surprised that Cyouni did.
Cyouni's matches in other ways though.
-Do those names make it fairly obvious what your roles' abilities are? -Or would one or more of them be safe to claim?
His theory is based on the entire scum team going so far out on a limb for each other that they confirmed they have a different role structure than everyone else. Day 1. When the town is deadlocked.
Alright, slick. Then what's your theory on who the three scum could be?
And very specifically why?
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@Cyouni: did you not understand that I was sarcatically asking Wuffles to justify what he's trying to represent? It was a question he CAN'T answer if I'm right. I'm saying his confidence that he survives the Night is because he's scum.
Let's see. Two sarcasm possibilities in there. "So sure you'll be around tomorrow" and "would kill you if I were scum". If sarcastic, the first suggests that he'll be dead tomorrow, which doesn't make sense. If sarcastic, the second suggests that his role isn't a priority target, proving his point.
I have a name and flavor separate from my role for two of my three choices. Everything Wuffs said about his role matches mine. Not everyone just got a 100% flavorless role, and I'm flatly surprised that Cyouni did.
Mu had flavour, he just didn't quote it since it's pretty basic. Standard cop-related stuff.
Let's see. Two sarcasm possibilities in there. "So sure you'll be around tomorrow" and "would kill you if I were scum". If sarcastic, the first suggests that he'll be dead tomorrow,
That's what I was challenging him to answer. Why is he sooooooooooo sure he'll be around tomorrow??
which doesn't make sense.
Are you deliberately not paying attention? I can't explain why it makes sense without helping the scum team with their Night choices.
If sarcastic, the second suggests that his role isn't a priority target, proving his point.
No.
The second suggests I, as scum, would kill him. Period.
Neither fit your explanation.
Look just back off. You're either helping the scum figure this out, or you're not understanding me, or both. Just stop.
Unvote, Vote Zajnet I hate deadlines.
Swell. Reasons? Deadline is NOT a reason, it's an excuse.
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Alright, slick. Then what's your theory on who the three scum could be?
And very specifically why?
It hasn't really changed:
Zajnet -> I don't think pf reacted like a townie when Shall singled him out (he taunted him to get killed, and then taunted him for not being killed - to me this reads as almost happy the shot was wasted on him), had a terrible vote on Sir Mu, and then disappeared when pressure was on only to rejoin and continue voting for terrible reasons (such as voting Wuffs because Shal said so without even barning Shal's case) before leaving the game. Zajnet is just MIA, which doesn't make sense given the deadline. Flatly, if he was town he'd be trying harder.
archonoid -> His account of events still bother me, largely absent only to pop in and vote on wagons. His role can sink or swim him for me, but I don't think it's important to press more now. Reading it out loud this case is not as good as it once was, but archonoid's distinct absence and response to suspicion is still off putting.
infinis -> He's responding to people mentioning him by either emulating the activity if it's positive (distinctly bizarre logic after zindabad mentions it and playing the soft claim as a gambit when you mention it) or lashing out if it's negative (me and AE for pointing out his vote on Sir Mu was bad, lording his logic above everyone else, or simply ignoring things). His vote on Sir Mu was really bad as well because there is a contradiction behind his logic.
That's what I was challenging him to answer. Why is he sooooooooooo sure he'll be around tomorrow??
Are you deliberately not paying attention? I can't explain why it makes sense without helping the scum team with their Night choices.
No.
The second suggests I, as scum, would kill him. Period.
You're trying to argue your post was sarcastic. It's clearly not. You can't argue that it was.
In regard to the first point, unless scum or some vig decides to kill Wuffles, he'll be alive tomorrow. And if there's a vig, that would mean that Shalako's probably scum, because two vigs in a 12-person game's so terribly swingy any decent mod wouldn't allow it.
And in regard to the second point, you're both implicitly saying he's town (why the hell would scum kill their own member) and suddenly going against your argument on him by saying his role's useful enough to be killed.
Also, you're just fearmongering by saying "helps the scum with their Night choices".
Swell. Reasons? Deadline is NOT a reason, it's an excuse.
I've already said I'll settle for Zajnet in lieu of other people I want to see lynched. It also doesn't hurt to check just in case PF was a godfather trying to clear himself via me.
Zajnet is just MIA, which doesn't make sense given the deadline. Flatly, if he was town he'd be trying harder.
Zaj does this all the time. He's my clain mate, and he did it in WoW as town.
He doesn't post much. This does not make him scum. If you check his site history, its not like he's going hogwild posting in clans or on this subforum. I think he's just busy.
Also, TFF, what is Wuffles doing according to you?
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every game I've been in with you as town, except the one where you were scum. The latter of whcih I made a similar observatio, and was right.
So lets see. NGE where you were convincing scum, and barely posted, not dissimilarly to this game.
300 where I was scum for the first time and had a seething, boiling shot of justice to deliver (yes I will always speak about that game in these terms). And as far as I recall, those are the only two?
So a crappy, outdated, innacurate meta comparison. Noted and dismissed.
I trsuted him. I haven't had time to look it up. It's not really a game changer.
What town tells?
Proper information management, town's best interest in his decision making, bold enough to tell us all to take a flying leap (politely) when he got to claim range, seems to be trying to solve this puzzle rather than force it to his will... that's what I see out of Archonoid in this game. I've been scum with him very recently, and I've misread him as scum recently. I'd say I have a grasp of him.
Keep using that word.
Low post count =/= lurking. You should know that.
This is exactly the same excuse you gave in NGE, IIRC. I'll have to look it up.
unvote; Vote Zajnet
I'd prefer to see Infinis or Artifice swing but I'm happy with this.
If Zajnet flips town, this is as good as a scummy hammer in my eyes.
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I'm just going to go for it too. Zaj had his chance. No hard feelings toward the guy, he replaced in to a tight spot but he had a lot of time to give us something and failed to do so.
Other stuff I want to talk about - people saying Infinis was a town/SK in Grim Batol are technically correct, but I remind you that he did not know he had retained the town alignment. He thought he was a traditional I-lose-if-I-die SK. As far as his meta from that game goes, that's what he was.
Also, I think that bizarre mushroom wagon on Archonoid is something we should definitely revisit tomorrow. I'm not wild about how Toastboy bristled at Art's "lurky" statement.
There's a lot still to talk about but unfortunately not much time; vote Zajnet.
Do you kill the Daykiller thats going to kill one of you? Or do you kill the Cop that's going to catch one of you? Should be fun to see how this plays out.
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In all likelihood, even if the rest of the town tells Shalako not to, he's probably going to kill me tomorrow. Believe me - if I could block him, I would. I already checked with Tan though, and night-blocking him won't stop him from daykilling.
Shalako - You are welcome to vig me tomorrow - as in, I can't stop you :mad::mad: - But can you at least promise me you won't do it until the end of the day? I want to contribute to this game as much as I can before you AZWOLG me.
Please do not kill me at the start of day 2. It would only serve to deny the town valuable analysis later in the game. If you are going to kill me, at least do it in a way that is as helpful to the town I believe you are working with.
Can you please answer the bolded comment before the deadline?
If you [Wuffles] aren't lynched Today, and Shalako's killed tonight, I expect you to be lynched Tomorrow.
Sort of a Catch 22. I think we should lynch you today instead.
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I don't even know a good word for it.
Nice to see Archonoid's still providing more information instead of analysis. (For all that I disliked RisingPhoenix's style, he had a pretty good point in this thing.)
At this point, I will vote Zajnet to avoid a no lynch if necessary.
It gives us a huge advantage in how we approach the game - especially as divided we are.
Are you the pot or kettle?
Why would the roleblocker kill the cop?
And why are you trying so hard to tie people together?
and I don't even want to touch the WIFOM fail here.
So is this another one of those damned if I do damned if I don't attacks people are becoming fond of lately? If I say Wuffles is guaranteed scum, "You're too tunnel Artifice", or "You're scum because only scum know for sure!"
I didn't "change my perspective" -- I said exactly the same thing. I don't believe Wuffles and I do believe Shalako AND pinkfloyd/Zaj. I think Wuffles is crying in his pint because he knows he's dead tomorrow as part of the scum team.
I think he's also fishing for Shalako to tell him more so they can make their Night choices. I also think anyone not voting either pink/Zaj or Wuffles is either distancing or Doc hunting.
If I had three Daykills, I would use them on Emo, Wuffles, and maybe Infinis in case I'm wrong. No, I don't care if you like it. If you are town you should not care.
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However, while I have been extremely emotive today regarding Shalako, I believe that both of the wagons I have been on were justified. I wouldn't say I've been illogical outside of that.
Artifice is really slipping here, though, I agree.
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Let's go into why exactly that post of yours just does not align with anything you've been arguing.
In one post, you manage to:
Name: Blonde Bombshell
Role: <something that annoys the scum> Roleblocker
Umm... You just pointed out Arts point. NAME=Blonde Bombshell not RBr.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Say what? When was RisingPhoenix in this game?
Artifice: My name is sort-of matched to my mechanics. Wuffles' claim is not particularly strange in comparison to mine.
Infinis' play is reminding me strongly of his play in Grim Batol, where he was town. I don't remember if I've been in a game where he was scum.
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Exactly Archmage. So either Tanarin made this game ungameable, OR he goofed and Wuffles Lied! And (shocker) Emo is unaware of what I'm refering to as well.
(Side Note: those not commenting on what any of those of us participating in this "naming convention" conversation deserve some serious scrutiny moving forward.)
@Cyouni: did you not understand that I was sarcatically asking Wuffles to justify what he's trying to represent? It was a question he CAN'T answer if I'm right. I'm saying his confidence that he survives the Night is because he's scum.
EWP: @Archonoid, color me intrigued. Well there goes that theory, probably Also:
@Archonoid: Infinis was "scum" part of the time in WoW. He was the triggered SK, if you recall. I don't know any games where he was mafia, either. He wasn't hard to read IIRC; he went nuts. Then again, that was a strange circumstance, to have your alignment change mid-game.
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I am about to pass out now and I literally have a full day tomorrow, so if I don't get back on before deadline, I'll be sure to post content right out of the gate in Day 2.
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Read my goddamn posts, artifice.
I am going to survive the night precisely because ROLEBLOCKERS ARE LOW PRIORITY TARGETS. BECAUSE THE TOWN WILL NEVER FULLY TRUST THEM, THEY ARE LOW PRIORITY. BECAUSE UNTIL THE ENDGAME, THEY ARE NOT OVERLY EFFECTIVE, THEY ARE LOW PRIORITY.
That is why I will survive the night to be daykilled tomorrow by Shalako.
Seriously, read my posts again. You are seriously aggravating me with your obtuseness.
I've read every statement you've made. Twice.
I've read every ad hom and move you've made, which I think are scummy. Twice.
And given what you just said, I still think you are the correct lynch for the Day, but I'll settle for you dead Tomorrow. I'm of the opinion that your scumhunting and wagoning of lynches in the early game was actually scummy given the targets.
I think you're putting on a face for the player base, Emo is backing up that act (or buying it; this has yet to make itself clear), and that TheFooFish (who isn't voting for you) might be coaching you to stop attacking players because you are arousing suspicion. You sure went into a MUCH "lurkier" mode after Mu replaced.
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Current Vote Count
Wuffles_II (4) - Shalako, Zajnet, Artifice 101, Infinis
Zajnet (4) - TheFooFish, Wuffles_II, Archonoid, Emo_Pinata
Infinis (1) - Toastboy
Archonoid (2) - Archmage_Eternal, Cyouni
Not voting; zindabad
Yes, I think everyone on the Wuffles wagon with me is town.
Shalako as a Daykiller, as that role is usually town
pinkfloyd/Zaj because of bold play in the early game (yes I know, this isn't super strong, but it is my stance)
Infinis for his attempted PM structure gambit.
The rest of you? I'm frankly kind of scared that I don't know, other than that Cyouni gets a straight pass as the Cop replacing a frustrated Townie replacing out (that's how I read that action, obv). His bad read of my language is just that: a bad read.
Archonoid seems to be giving off town tells, and his wagon was way, way too quick...
Toast? Not sure. Pretty lurky.
zinda. Leaning town, but also pretty lurky.
Archmage reads like bored town to me, but the fact that I haven't made up my mind yet bothers me greatly.
And if I'm wrong, feed it to me in the late game. I'm actually enjoying this puzzle much more than a grip of games I've played lately!
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TWO separate players other than me have already crucified your PM-structure craplogic.
I don't think anyone will disagree that Mu and Shalako have played terribly this game.
I am completely unrepentant for pressuring them. They were scummy as hell. They deserved to be lynched. It is unfortunate that they were assigned auto-town roles, because they did not deserve a free pass. But they get one. I have to deal with that. What I don't have to deal with is you, with your 20/20 hindsight-tinted lenses, telling me I was wrong to wagon them. Because, I wasn't.
I, on the other hand, have been more active in this game than anyone. I have consistently been hunting scum all game, whether you think it is scummy or not (it isn't :rolleyes:) I do not care. I will keep calling people out when they play terribly, regardless of what their role pms say. If they sound scummy, then...they are. That is the way to catch scum. There is no room for mincing words when people are playing horribly. There is no need for me to defend my actions regarding these any further, because I don't believe I need to. I believe that a significant enough portion of the players in this game will see my play for what it is - hunting scum.
Wuffles has claimed town roles. -Therefore, wuffles is town.
No. -The more kills we have control over, the better. Even if the first misses, we should still try to lynch.
-Art has jumped way up my list here.
* TheFooFish places hands on floor.
-He's not only a "Roleblocker", so that wouldn't cover his role. He's something else that just has a roleblock ability along with other things. And he didn't make it up. -If that's being doubted, I can 100% confirm that he isn't just making up his role names.
Again, let's not lynch the townie.
People I'd be willing to lynch now, in order of preference: Zaj, AE, arch, art
@Zaj: What is your role name? -What choices didn't you take?
I have a name and flavor separate from my role for two of my three choices. Everything Wuffs said about his role matches mine. Not everyone just got a 100% flavorless role, and I'm flatly surprised that Cyouni did.
-Do those names make it fairly obvious what your roles' abilities are? -Or would one or more of them be safe to claim?
I'm sure the secret bonus part of his role at least makes the choice competitive.
Alright, slick. Then what's your theory on who the three scum could be?
And very specifically why?
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Neither fit your explanation.
Mu had flavour, he just didn't quote it since it's pretty basic. Standard cop-related stuff.
Unvote, Vote Zajnet I hate deadlines.
Are you deliberately not paying attention? I can't explain why it makes sense without helping the scum team with their Night choices.
No.
The second suggests I, as scum, would kill him. Period.
Look just back off. You're either helping the scum figure this out, or you're not understanding me, or both. Just stop.
Swell. Reasons? Deadline is NOT a reason, it's an excuse.
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Wuffles_II (4) - Shalako, Zajnet, Artifice 101, Infinis
Zajnet (5) - TheFooFish, Wuffles_II, Archonoid, Emo_Pinata, Cyouni
Infinis (1) - Toastboy
Archonoid (1) - Archmage_Eternal
Not Voting (1) - zindabad
The choice of the many will outweigh the choice of the few. It takes 7 similar choices to lynch.
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-And in case I didn't mention it earlier, wuffles is very, very town.
Artifice: I thought Infinis was playing like this (crazy, pseudo-suicidal) from Day 1. I'll have to go back and read in more detail.
WE HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS.
Tan, how long do we actually have?
You didn't need to get that specific. -A "yes" would have been fine.
If I'm counting right it's a little under 30 hours.
Zajnet -> I don't think pf reacted like a townie when Shall singled him out (he taunted him to get killed, and then taunted him for not being killed - to me this reads as almost happy the shot was wasted on him), had a terrible vote on Sir Mu, and then disappeared when pressure was on only to rejoin and continue voting for terrible reasons (such as voting Wuffs because Shal said so without even barning Shal's case) before leaving the game. Zajnet is just MIA, which doesn't make sense given the deadline. Flatly, if he was town he'd be trying harder.
archonoid -> His account of events still bother me, largely absent only to pop in and vote on wagons. His role can sink or swim him for me, but I don't think it's important to press more now. Reading it out loud this case is not as good as it once was, but archonoid's distinct absence and response to suspicion is still off putting.
infinis -> He's responding to people mentioning him by either emulating the activity if it's positive (distinctly bizarre logic after zindabad mentions it and playing the soft claim as a gambit when you mention it) or lashing out if it's negative (me and AE for pointing out his vote on Sir Mu was bad, lording his logic above everyone else, or simply ignoring things). His vote on Sir Mu was really bad as well because there is a contradiction behind his logic.
Until 8 PM tomorrow. Or about 27 hours 45 minutes from this post.
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In regard to the first point, unless scum or some vig decides to kill Wuffles, he'll be alive tomorrow. And if there's a vig, that would mean that Shalako's probably scum, because two vigs in a 12-person game's so terribly swingy any decent mod wouldn't allow it.
And in regard to the second point, you're both implicitly saying he's town (why the hell would scum kill their own member) and suddenly going against your argument on him by saying his role's useful enough to be killed.
Also, you're just fearmongering by saying "helps the scum with their Night choices".
Please hold while I laugh in your face.
I've already said I'll settle for Zajnet in lieu of other people I want to see lynched. It also doesn't hurt to check just in case PF was a godfather trying to clear himself via me.
Zaj does this all the time. He's my clain mate, and he did it in WoW as town.
He doesn't post much. This does not make him scum. If you check his site history, its not like he's going hogwild posting in clans or on this subforum. I think he's just busy.
Also, TFF, what is Wuffles doing according to you?
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If Zaj is lynched and flips town, what does that do to the gamestate for you?
If Zaj is lynched and flips scum, same question.
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300 where I was scum for the first time and had a seething, boiling shot of justice to deliver (yes I will always speak about that game in these terms). And as far as I recall, those are the only two?
So a crappy, outdated, innacurate meta comparison. Noted and dismissed.
I trsuted him. I haven't had time to look it up. It's not really a game changer.
Proper information management, town's best interest in his decision making, bold enough to tell us all to take a flying leap (politely) when he got to claim range, seems to be trying to solve this puzzle rather than force it to his will... that's what I see out of Archonoid in this game. I've been scum with him very recently, and I've misread him as scum recently. I'd say I have a grasp of him.
This is exactly the same excuse you gave in NGE, IIRC. I'll have to look it up.
If Zajnet flips town, this is as good as a scummy hammer in my eyes.
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Other stuff I want to talk about - people saying Infinis was a town/SK in Grim Batol are technically correct, but I remind you that he did not know he had retained the town alignment. He thought he was a traditional I-lose-if-I-die SK. As far as his meta from that game goes, that's what he was.
Also, I think that bizarre mushroom wagon on Archonoid is something we should definitely revisit tomorrow. I'm not wild about how Toastboy bristled at Art's "lurky" statement.
There's a lot still to talk about but unfortunately not much time; vote Zajnet.
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