I just learned that in mafia games, you don't actually cooperate. We pretend we cooperate, specially at this early stage. But we only start shaking things to gain analyze reactions and reach conclusions. Right now we just can't trust anyone to really cooperate: we could be helping mafia guys. As Brofaux mentioned before, us as townies can just be suspicious of anyone, anyone else can be mafia in our eyes.
In my other game here, I wanted first to be friendly but everybody else was in a defensive stance, almost paranoical.
In the end it comes to a game of "I believe you or I don't". I mean, I really refused to cooperate with Megiddo because he just requested info without explanation. And I honestly thought that info could help the mafia to know who to kill first at night.
You can believe me. Or you can think I'm lying. I just hope you believe as I want to keep playing and eventually win.
I would like to hear more from Balefire and void_nothing before I start composing a list.
This week has been pretty busy for me (too many long, slow tasks), so I haven't been exceptionally active, but I'll drop by and analyze the whole thread once I have some time.
As for current discussion, I agree that Pancho has had questionable actions, but I find the reasoning he provided for those actions (based on his last posts) to be fair.
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Brofaux, you are: pstmdrn – [Town Limited Commuter]
You are an autism mentor and a avid custom card designer. However, you have been infracted a quite too many times, and you have been suspended. In fact, you're suspended right now... But no one will ever know, right? Your flow of getting suspended and getting back in is so confusing that it throws off targets.
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b. During Night, if it's an odd Night, then you are untargetable. (that also means protection from nightkills!)
Win Condition: You win when all non-town players are banned from Club Flamingo.
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Apologies to Brofaux for modkilling him, even though it was a small edit, but rules are rules, and I'm afraid that I left you off the hook in the first one. However, I must take into stance my position as a community member of the mafia forums.
Vote count has been reset. With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
I still have no idea who to vote for at this point:
PanchoPonceN put down the brakes pretty hard, but he's new so maybe he thought that wasn't a scummy thing to do? He's also explained himself well enough that I'm willing to let it slide. Still got my peepers out, though.
Gerrard's Mom seems to have taken the reins, which could be a goon effort to divert our attention towards our own, but he actually has experience and his rationale is more than reasonable, so I'm willing to trust him.
I remember MirrorEntity doing some things that nobody liked, but I honestly can't remember what they are. I will investigate.
And, of course, we have the no-posters and the hardly-posters, all of whom I'd like to hear from before I make up my mind. Is lurking generally considered a scummy thing to do?
Sene ventures into the Club and issues an ultimatum:
Apologies to Brofaux for modkilling him, even though it was a small edit, but rules are rules, and I'm afraid that I left you off the hook in the first one. However, I must take into stance my position as a community member of the mafia forums.
Vote count has been reset. With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
god damnit, Brofaux.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
I just hope you believe as I want to keep playing and eventually win.
Town can win irrespective of whether individual town members die. Is this statement unfamiliarity with the game, or unfamiliarity with a role you are your required to play?
Dangit Bro. So that makes 2/6 on Pancho for now? ME may be banding my wagon but we can deal with him later if necessary.
If I have to venture into mod gaming, I doubt that Prophylaxis could have resisted making at least one of CC, Oculus, or Megiddo mafia. I think it's going to take more time to figure these guys out. Balefire seems ok for now, Rith is taking it super slow but I'm not getting anything from him yet. Nothing much to say about anyone else yet.
Town can win irrespective of whether individual town members die. Is this statement unfamiliarity with the game, or unfamiliarity with a role you are your required to play?
It is a statement that I want both: keep playing and win.
Right Oculus, just that you three are big names in the club, being the founder, tier guy, and CC. Just statistically speaking, one of you is probably scum, but that could be said about any three of us. I guess I'm just expecting you three to be highly active and involved as well, so you are other potential discussion leaders, and I fear what could be done if this power is abused.
CC seems amenably town so far, and I suppose I shouldn't make any comments about Megiddo since they would involve an ongoing game? How does that work?
Anyway, Pancho clearly wants to keep playing and win, because he is scum, and will not win when he dies.
Right Oculus, just that you three are big names in the club, being the founder, tier guy, and CC.
Just one name, like Madonna.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to be the townie who holds the Mafioso's heads aloft and shouts something inspirational while the rest of us cheer, but your wording is potentially suspicious and could feasibly to let slip your allegiance. While we can never know for certain, your reaction will certainly help us gauge where you stand. Don't take it personally. Sometimes you just have to shake the pot and see what floats to the surface.
And of course, you are not a native speaker, so your phrasing is not exactly going to be brimming with subtle clues.
Would you be able to elaborate why you seem to be swinging between attitudes of a potential lynching being positive, and not wanting it to happen?
While sacrifices are a necessity, I think it's reasonable to assume that nobody really wants to be the one to make them.
Although I am quite curious as to why Pancho finds this game so stressful, especially this early into proceedings. Could it be that he has something to hide?
CC seems amenably town so far, and I suppose I shouldn't make any comments about Megiddo since they would involve an ongoing game? How does that work?
I would avoid ANY comments about staff mafia until it's over.
At that point, go wild.
ALSO: I'm leaning toward a Pancho vote as well. YES, I did make an unprovoked question and failed to back it up, but as Mom said, I was just emulating somebody else with it. Pancho does seem to be backpedaling, too.
However, I also want to wait for everybody to post before casting an official vote.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
It seems I'm the most "Spike" here: I came here to win, not only to play. Maybe "stress" is a word "too hard", but I really want to keep playing and is frustrating that I can't find a way for you to believe me I'm not a scum. I think anybody that is competitive, under pressure, being pushed and can lose the game because a misinterpretation (not even an actual mistake)... can really be "cool and happy".
Ignoring this question, plus all the other strange things pancho has said have put me over the edge.
Vote PanchoPonceN
For a reason like that? At this point, seems like you are just bandwagoning.
I'm not behaving "strange", people! I'm answering the questions I consider important/relevant and giving reasons for my behavior. And telling the truth!
Not all of us have nerves of steel and can be relaxed when being questioned. Townies can also get nervous when they are being pressed.
Brofaux, you are: pstmdrn – [Town Limited Commuter]
You are an autism mentor and a avid custom card designer. However, you have been infracted a quite too many times, and you have been suspended. In fact, you're suspended right now... But no one will ever know, right? Your flow of getting suspended and getting back in is so confusing that it throws off targets.
Abilities:
a. You may vote.
b. During Night, if it's an odd Night, then you are untargetable. (that also means protection from nightkills!)
Win Condition: You win when all non-town players are banned from Club Flamingo.
We should note that this is not a simple role, and is in fact quite powerful. It's definitely reasonable to expect that the scum have some PRs as well.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Megiddo, I agree that this is probably a complex game, and I hope that we (the town) have some more powerful roles. As I mentioned before, consideration of our town power roles is why I have decided to "take the lead." I think we have a good chance of pulling off an anti-scum maneuver on Night 1.
For a reason like that? At this point, seems like you are just bandwagoning.
I'm not behaving "strange", people! I'm answering the questions I consider important/relevant and giving reasons for my behavior. And telling the truth!
Not all of us have nerves of steel and can be relaxed when being questioned. Townies can also get nervous when they are being pressed.
What you have to understand, Pancho, is that we don't have to believe that you are scum for you to get lynched. As several others explained before, it is to our advantage to lynch somebody before the day ends. That means even if nobody really stands out as scum, we still have to place our bets somewhere - and making a decision based on pedantic and indecisive clues is better than making a decision based on nothing at all.
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You're reading it wrong, I voted for him, he hasn't voted. MirrorEntity voted for me because of bling.
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In my other game here, I wanted first to be friendly but everybody else was in a defensive stance, almost paranoical.
That's what I learned from my mafia games.
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You can believe me. Or you can think I'm lying. I just hope you believe as I want to keep playing and eventually win.
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This week has been pretty busy for me (too many long, slow tasks), so I haven't been exceptionally active, but I'll drop by and analyze the whole thread once I have some time.
As for current discussion, I agree that Pancho has had questionable actions, but I find the reasoning he provided for those actions (based on his last posts) to be fair.
[VOTE PANCHOPONCE]
Sorry Pancho, gotta get someone out of the way.
Multicolored millcards in something other than dimir.
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Sene ventures into the Club and issues an ultimatum:
Apologies to Brofaux for modkilling him, even though it was a small edit, but rules are rules, and I'm afraid that I left you off the hook in the first one. However, I must take into stance my position as a community member of the mafia forums.
Vote count has been reset. With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
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How will your death help the mafia win?
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Void was MIA for a few days, so don't worry about him yet, but I'd take a close look at anybody else.
:/ we need to be careful.
I suppose on the bright side we have slightly better chances of hitting a goon.
Town can win irrespective of whether individual town members die. Is this statement unfamiliarity with the game, or unfamiliarity with a role you are your required to play?
Remember kids: Rest, revive, survive.
If I have to venture into mod gaming, I doubt that Prophylaxis could have resisted making at least one of CC, Oculus, or Megiddo mafia. I think it's going to take more time to figure these guys out. Balefire seems ok for now, Rith is taking it super slow but I'm not getting anything from him yet. Nothing much to say about anyone else yet.
Why us three in particular?
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I'll do the OP tomorrow.
Why not one of you three?
I don't personally suspect you, but the tendency is to follow apresumption of guilt, not of innocence.
Thank you, but I'm still interested to know why GM thinks we're more likely to be made Mafia than anyone else.
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We're easily the three most active members.
Gotta admit, it would be pretty funny.
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Hmm!
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CC seems amenably town so far, and I suppose I shouldn't make any comments about Megiddo since they would involve an ongoing game? How does that work?
Anyway, Pancho clearly wants to keep playing and win, because he is scum, and will not win when he dies.
Why exactly can't a townie wish to be alive the whole game and also win?
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Just one name, like Madonna.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to be the townie who holds the Mafioso's heads aloft and shouts something inspirational while the rest of us cheer, but your wording is potentially suspicious and could feasibly to let slip your allegiance. While we can never know for certain, your reaction will certainly help us gauge where you stand. Don't take it personally. Sometimes you just have to shake the pot and see what floats to the surface.
And of course, you are not a native speaker, so your phrasing is not exactly going to be brimming with subtle clues.
While sacrifices are a necessity, I think it's reasonable to assume that nobody really wants to be the one to make them.
Although I am quite curious as to why Pancho finds this game so stressful, especially this early into proceedings. Could it be that he has something to hide?
Vote PanchoPonceN
At that point, go wild.
ALSO: I'm leaning toward a Pancho vote as well. YES, I did make an unprovoked question and failed to back it up, but as Mom said, I was just emulating somebody else with it. Pancho does seem to be backpedaling, too.
However, I also want to wait for everybody to post before casting an official vote.
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I'm not behaving "strange", people! I'm answering the questions I consider important/relevant and giving reasons for my behavior. And telling the truth!
Not all of us have nerves of steel and can be relaxed when being questioned. Townies can also get nervous when they are being pressed.
[Clan Flamingo]
The clan for custom card creators!
[Clan Flamingo]
The clan for custom card creators!
Multicolored millcards in something other than dimir.
We should note that this is not a simple role, and is in fact quite powerful. It's definitely reasonable to expect that the scum have some PRs as well.
What you have to understand, Pancho, is that we don't have to believe that you are scum for you to get lynched. As several others explained before, it is to our advantage to lynch somebody before the day ends. That means even if nobody really stands out as scum, we still have to place our bets somewhere - and making a decision based on pedantic and indecisive clues is better than making a decision based on nothing at all.
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Untrophied Wins:
Perfect MCC Scores: 2
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